Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
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Speaker 1: confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now
Speaker 1: your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is January sixteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are
Speaker 2: ninety eight days away from the twenty twenty five NFL
Speaker 2: drafting Green Bay, Wisconsin. As we welcome you to the
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Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys. Today we've got Nick Harris, Brian brought
Speaker 2: us Vatch Lombardi with Chris Beam in the back. I'm
Speaker 2: Kyle Yeomans, as we are excited to bring you all
Speaker 2: sorts of draft insight here over the next forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: I want to get right into it because we do
Speaker 2: have some Twitter on the twenty today. We've got some
Speaker 2: great questions flying in. I tweeted it out late last night.
Speaker 2: Give us your questions, give us your your insights. I
Speaker 2: will compile those as we go along, and we will
Speaker 2: ask some of those questions, try and get to as
Speaker 2: many as possible. But I wanted to start with holes
Speaker 2: to fill. Of course, there's a lot of intrigue around
Speaker 2: coaching decision, a lot of intrigue around what they're going
Speaker 2: to do from that side of things. We'll stick away
Speaker 2: from that for a little bit. We've talked about at
Speaker 2: the last two shows. Until they hire someone. I want
Speaker 2: to talk about what we know around this Cowboys roster.
Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty safe bet and that hole,
Speaker 2: that mentality means there are holes to fill up front
Speaker 2: in terms of this Cowboys team.
Speaker 3: So I will start with you watch offense, defense.
Speaker 2: Where do you start if you're the Cowboys and you're
Speaker 2: looking at filling some of those different voids along the way.
Speaker 4: You know, we could just say BPA, but I want
Speaker 4: to say, like the best big dude that can make
Speaker 4: you tough, real faut right, you know what you have
Speaker 4: to do? Is or just I do this? I don't
Speaker 4: want to be fairybody is. I'm looking at the rivals.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the dudes we have to line up
Speaker 4: and play against and boil. And we play against a
Speaker 4: lot of tough people, play against a lot of strong
Speaker 4: offensive line man, a lot of athletic offensive line.
Speaker 5: A lot of dudes want to run the ball right
Speaker 5: at us.
Speaker 3: I think are defensive line.
Speaker 4: We gotta fix that. We gotta fix that. And you know,
Speaker 4: everybody wants to hear us go wide receiver. They want
Speaker 4: to hear us go running back, and you need that too,
Speaker 4: You need all those things too. But if I can
Speaker 4: get tougher first, that's a you know, that's the thing
Speaker 4: we'll just do one day. Would you rather be tougher
Speaker 4: or would you like rather go wire receiver first? I
Speaker 4: think we have to get tougher first, and then I
Speaker 4: think you can live with whoever you sign as the
Speaker 4: wide receiver that's ready to play right now. If I'm
Speaker 4: really tough at one take, if I'm really tough at
Speaker 4: guard or whatever, we think that we're missing left tack
Speaker 4: or whatever you want to say, But yeah, get bigger,
Speaker 4: get you know, get bigger, get tougher.
Speaker 6: You think this team is built to win the division
Speaker 6: and not win the conference.
Speaker 7: Well they're not winning the built to win the division
Speaker 7: anymore just because the Eagles.
Speaker 3: But you were built.
Speaker 7: But I understand what you're saying. I remember that same
Speaker 7: sentiment on you had on the break, and I think
Speaker 7: I think it's very spot on because you look at
Speaker 7: the success that they had in twenty three when they
Speaker 7: were healthy. Yeah, built to win the division. Eagles fell apart,
Speaker 7: but yes, built to win the division. But then you
Speaker 7: go and you you play up against a really tough
Speaker 7: team in Green Bay, or if you were to somehow
Speaker 7: get across that game, you play a tough team in Detroit,
Speaker 7: you were going to get smacked in the mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like that it's built. I think
Speaker 6: Will has a really good understanding of how to win
Speaker 6: this division. And I wonder if he's now kind of
Speaker 6: looking at his board thinking like, how can I win
Speaker 6: this conference? Now he's got to have it's It's going
Speaker 6: to be interesting now with what the commanders have done
Speaker 6: at quarterback. You know, you'll see what happens with the Giants.
Speaker 6: I was on with Jeff Cavanaugh this morning, he and
Speaker 6: I doing our Trust Tape podcast, and I sat there
Speaker 6: and he talked about a mock draft he did where
Speaker 6: he kept trading back because that's what Jeff Kavanaugh does.
Speaker 3: He didn't have enough picks to fill all the holes
Speaker 3: he had.
Speaker 6: He didn't draft a wide receiver, you know, and now
Speaker 6: you know we're talking about you know, you mentioned about
Speaker 6: wide receiver get tougher and all that they might not
Speaker 6: have enough picks to fill all the things that you're
Speaker 6: asking us to do college and sore.
Speaker 3: So where do you have to start?
Speaker 6: Where if you had to sacrifice something, Nick, you say, Okay,
Speaker 6: I don't have enough picks, but I could live without this,
Speaker 6: but I got to have this in order to watch
Speaker 6: is telling me I got to be tougher. I don't
Speaker 6: think I can win the conference because I'm not built
Speaker 6: the right way. And Jeff Kavanaugh, who was a Draft
Speaker 6: Show disciple, is telling me I kept training back and
Speaker 6: I still didn't have enough picks to grab what I needed.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think is that a problem we're going about
Speaker 7: to deal?
Speaker 3: Which problem?
Speaker 7: It really depends on what happens a free agency, but yes,
Speaker 7: it's it's it's certainly a problem.
Speaker 3: You don't expect anything to happen, nothing happens.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll see because I mean, Eric Hendricks filled a hole.
Speaker 7: That's why I say that, because that was one less
Speaker 7: linebacker you had a draft last year. So if you
Speaker 7: can bring an a yeah, bringing Eric Hendricks back, then
Speaker 7: I don't think you necessarily have to worry about the
Speaker 7: linebacker position. But I would if I had to sacrifice anything, though,
Speaker 7: i'd sacrifice the secondary. I don't love the safeties, and
Speaker 7: I think you have some liabilities at corner, but I
Speaker 7: would sacrifice the secondary to to plug holes elsewhere.
Speaker 3: I hate when I talk about safeties when I'm with him.
Speaker 4: I agree with Nick because you can go, Okay, give
Speaker 4: me the best free safety, but your one tach's bad.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You have to fix the fundamental baseline stuff first. Sure,
Speaker 4: so yeah, fix your front seven first. Why do you
Speaker 4: have a free safety that's just sitting back there Roman
Speaker 4: all day? Because we can't get past rush starts to
Speaker 4: start the show this year. And that's the first.
Speaker 3: Name I marked it on my list as the first
Speaker 3: name mentioned that.
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter what to be a caw as it
Speaker 7: matter if you have a great king, if your guard's
Speaker 7: up front, but they're gonna get in and shoot your king.
Speaker 3: But we're playing chess now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's exactly why I mentioned him, because when
Speaker 4: we're on the board at twelve, he might be the
Speaker 4: best dude there. Starks might be the best dude there.
Speaker 4: You got to ask yourself, man, And I know we
Speaker 4: just spent premium picks. This is what cowboy fans really
Speaker 4: mad at. We just spent picks at left tackle and
Speaker 4: one tech back to back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we might have to do it again.
Speaker 4: We might have to get tackle and d line and
Speaker 4: have to rive it up just because we allegedly air
Speaker 4: quote is early, I know, but we just air quote
Speaker 4: missed on those guys. Well, if you haven't, you know,
Speaker 4: drafted safety in the wild Cowboys have had a safety
Speaker 4: that we love. And so my one tech I got questions,
Speaker 4: my left tick, I got questions, you know. So you know,
Speaker 4: linebackers another one. We hurt there, We hurt there, and
Speaker 4: we may not get the linebacker group that we really
Speaker 4: love until the year after that.
Speaker 5: So it's questions.
Speaker 6: My man's talking defense the whole way. He ain't gonna
Speaker 6: let you take an offensive player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, old line got to my bones though,
Speaker 4: But I think I think got to start defense because
Speaker 4: we're gonna, you know, wide receiver in the first with
Speaker 4: a thin white receiver.
Speaker 5: Boy.
Speaker 4: Me and Brian just talked about some wide receivers yesterday.
Speaker 4: Boy and that boy, that kid from Texas Exactly. It
Speaker 4: just it just depends on where you go get them.
Speaker 4: But I think, hey, if you want to guard, I
Speaker 4: think you find guards later. If you want a running back,
Speaker 4: you can definitely find running backs later. I think where
Speaker 4: you need to what you need to get as dudes,
Speaker 4: and the best dudes that you need to go for
Speaker 4: first are like those front seven guys. That's just my opin.
Speaker 3: I want to put a pin in that Texas wide
Speaker 3: receiver conversation. Just second, you.
Speaker 2: Said Bolden, Golden, Golden.
Speaker 7: They do have a Ballond too, and there is a bold, but.
Speaker 3: I could bind, uh Golden.
Speaker 2: There's three different receivers. There's Golden, Golden, and Bond. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those are the older guys.
Speaker 3: Golden.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so making sure, yeah, yeah, I was making
Speaker 2: sure I heard that correctly.
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about that later though.
Speaker 7: I know this is a little hypocritical because I just
Speaker 7: said don't draft secondary. But if you're sitting there at
Speaker 7: twelve and John A. Barron, is there a guy who
Speaker 7: can play anywhere in the second taking. He could play
Speaker 7: it outside, he could play a slot, he could play
Speaker 7: a rover, he could play a safety free strong wherever
Speaker 7: you want to put him.
Speaker 6: You're taking him, Oh yeah, I'm taking it. But let
Speaker 6: me ask you this though, you're taking him or you're
Speaker 6: going to take.
Speaker 7: Banks, And that's the question. That's the question.
Speaker 6: I just asked you the question. O man, you got
Speaker 6: say you have say, okay, give me okay. Likely McMillan gone, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: we kind of likely.
Speaker 3: Likely. I mean we've had some seedy Lamb situations. Likely.
Speaker 6: McMillan gone, if they If I don't know, I have
Speaker 6: him as receiver one, depending on what you think about Hunter.
Speaker 6: Where you want to play Hunter?
Speaker 7: Okay, McMillen receiver Arizona?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, but.
Speaker 6: If you're looking at say Burden, Abuca and Golden.
Speaker 2: Missouri Missouri State Texas, right, all these guys, Yeah.
Speaker 6: You have to say these things. You can't just have
Speaker 6: a conversation. I know I've been it's been like beat
Speaker 6: into my head. Say the school, Brian, say the school.
Speaker 6: Like I think the people that watch the show are
Speaker 6: smart enough to know the players sometimes sometimes But okay,
Speaker 6: the McMillan's gone, three wide receivers.
Speaker 3: Banks and now Baron. Think about that where you're going.
Speaker 7: So the three receivers are gone, you said.
Speaker 6: No, Burden's there, Ibuka's there, Golden's there, and then you
Speaker 6: have a chance for banks and then now you have
Speaker 6: to bearn and those are all available at twelve.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not risking going receiver that early. I think
Speaker 7: I think I would still go either Banks or Barron,
Speaker 7: but I'd be open to either conversation. I think if
Speaker 7: it were me right now today January sixteenth, i'd take Banks.
Speaker 5: Nick let mention this, So do you have Banks at
Speaker 5: guard or tackle?
Speaker 7: I think you can play either. I think that's the situation.
Speaker 7: You get him in the building and figure it out.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this, tackles go this high
Speaker 4: all the time. Guard has got to be Quentin Nelson
Speaker 4: to go this high. I think he could be okay cool.
Speaker 4: I think he could be cool cool, So it's worth
Speaker 4: I feel that good about it. You didn't expect that one,
Speaker 4: don't You did not expect that one.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't personally think he's Quentin Nelson that guard. I
Speaker 4: think he's a really good Kelvin Banks that guard. I
Speaker 4: think he's probably best at tackle as my own person
Speaker 4: paying everybody's gonna disagree about that, but I think if
Speaker 4: he's a guard, he's got to be that kind of dude.
Speaker 5: If you're going to take him that early.
Speaker 3: Do you do you?
Speaker 6: Guys kind of hope then to pray that Graham then
Speaker 6: from the Michigan Tackle gets to you at twelve.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, we having a party, what you mean, Yeah,
Speaker 5: a golden correct.
Speaker 6: With Graham, with Graham Trump all And here's that one
Speaker 6: technique thing.
Speaker 3: It is wearing that Michigan.
Speaker 7: Seeing Kenneth Grant earlier this week.
Speaker 3: See that's see. And I have Grant.
Speaker 6: I have Grant as my second one technique. So now
Speaker 6: behind behind Grant Graham.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Michigan, Michigan, both of them. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I can already here the chaos ensuing out there on
Speaker 7: the Tostitos Plaza.
Speaker 2: If they drafted Michigan, somebody just threw up and already,
Speaker 2: like we talk about pin throws on the draft weekend, somebody.
Speaker 3: Just already threw one across the board.
Speaker 4: So with Graham though, and this is the one thing
Speaker 4: that's annoying really, all right, we pick at Twitch, you
Speaker 4: get tougher Man, Graham is tougher. Graham's not gonna make
Speaker 4: it to forty four, is he?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: No, that's the problem. Now, that's a problem. So there's
Speaker 4: a lot of guys that I like.
Speaker 5: That is.
Speaker 3: There's about Grant. It's about Grant.
Speaker 5: Kenny Grant, can Grant?
Speaker 3: You said Grant?
Speaker 4: I said, Graham, Yeah, but you said Grant's not making
Speaker 4: it to forty four, I don't think well, of course,
Speaker 4: neither one. But yeah, I think he gets picked in
Speaker 4: the first Kenny Grant Michigan, definitely. I like him a bunch.
Speaker 4: I think twelve is too rich, but he's not gonna
Speaker 4: make it to forty four. And we may have a
Speaker 4: question from one of our peoples about trading back and
Speaker 4: all that, but I thought, I think that's a perfect
Speaker 4: trade back type candidate situation. It just depends on how
Speaker 4: far you want to go back. If I can move back,
Speaker 4: get Kenny Grant, get another pick, draft running back later,
Speaker 4: I think we can go party.
Speaker 3: There are so many different elements.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just talked about holes to fill, and
Speaker 2: here we are bouncing around all that.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying, and it need picks, You need picks,
Speaker 6: and but in a thin what we're all talking about
Speaker 6: a thin draft. There are good players in this draft,
Speaker 6: don't get me wrong. It just doesn't have the depth
Speaker 6: that we were used to. But you can find some guys.
Speaker 6: And that's what I'm saying. Though, you do you trade
Speaker 6: back in this draft knowing that it gets thinner when
Speaker 6: you go back? I mean, or do you just go
Speaker 6: ahead and take the guys that are on the board
Speaker 6: and then try and navigate the rest of the draft.
Speaker 7: I would just try to maximize top one hundred picks,
Speaker 7: sure possible. Like if I'm moving back on the first
Speaker 7: and I'm keeping up not getting a top one hundred
Speaker 7: pick out of it, then it's not worth.
Speaker 2: It, especially at twelve, because you think about how rich
Speaker 2: it was to move from twenty four to twenty nine
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, you picked up a third round pick
Speaker 2: in order to do so. Now you're moving from twelve
Speaker 2: to whatever level. How comfortable would you be? How far
Speaker 2: back would you see comfortable?
Speaker 3: To me? You want to know my trade back guy?
Speaker 6: And if things start it looks really muddy and kind
Speaker 6: of crazy Green for Marshall, Like Green, Marshall, Yeah, if
Speaker 6: you if I had to trade back into like late
Speaker 6: first in the twenties, okay, you know if you heck,
Speaker 6: I would like I would, you know, depending on who's
Speaker 6: on that board. But I said, if it was muddy,
Speaker 6: I would consider Green in that situation right there, that
Speaker 6: edge from Marshall.
Speaker 4: I am not trading back from McMillan from Zona.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh genty running back Boise a dual Card. None of
Speaker 4: these guys gonna be the I'm just saying Carter Penn
Speaker 4: State Edge, Mason Graham, Travishon's not gonna be their vises
Speaker 4: on the board. Everybody else can they can get traded
Speaker 4: back from. So if Burden is there, I love bird out.
Speaker 2: So you've only got five names on that list that
Speaker 2: you would say we're sticking and picking.
Speaker 4: Because I think yes, because I think those dudes are
Speaker 4: like bona fide.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can't leave these guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like if Burden is there, if a Buka
Speaker 4: is there, if Banks is there, I'm looking at like
Speaker 4: ten picks back. I may like somebody ten picks back
Speaker 4: as much as I possibly like Burden or a Buka
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll move Simmons, Ohio State tackle.
Speaker 4: I think he's the best tackle, but I need the need.
Speaker 4: I need doctor Cooper to Tamy what is what his
Speaker 4: he looks like? But I think he's the best tackle
Speaker 4: in this draft though.
Speaker 2: You have to figure that one out in Indy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a pig one ran stepping on a
Speaker 2: soapbox here.
Speaker 7: Yeah about the I agree with you about Burden, but
Speaker 7: we need to stop overthinking Burden. There's some people that
Speaker 7: are like a burden. I'm good. I'm good off Luther Burden.
Speaker 7: I'm completely not. This is a hell of a place.
Speaker 7: He looks.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're saying people are off him? Yeah?
Speaker 7: People.
Speaker 3: I love the question around.
Speaker 7: To stop overthinking Luthor Burden as a draft community as
Speaker 7: a whole, we need to stop overthinking Luthor Burton.
Speaker 3: Quick acting like you can influence people.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying a lot of people, at least in
Speaker 2: Cowboys circles, are saying it's ceede Lamb.
Speaker 3: I would love to have to Lambs. He's not like great,
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 2: But in terms of where you would play him, he's
Speaker 2: a slack guy and can bump outside if you want
Speaker 2: him to. He can play that ax if you want.
Speaker 2: But there's that back and forth versatility. Then you got
Speaker 2: to you guys that can do that are okay with it?
Speaker 3: Can you mind me taking a minute here? Can you please?
Speaker 6: Guys tell me about what you think about the kid
Speaker 6: Williams of Wider Seer from TCU.
Speaker 7: So he's he's a guy that's shown a lot of versatility.
Speaker 7: Williams shown a lot of versatility out of TCU. I
Speaker 7: got really good people over at TCU that that that
Speaker 7: feed me the goods. There there are concerns about how
Speaker 7: he can pick up an offensive system. Okay, so I
Speaker 7: think that's certainly something to keep an eye on moving forward. Now,
Speaker 7: that's something that could get figured out in a formal
Speaker 7: interview with the combine. That's what that's there for. You
Speaker 7: talk to the player, you put him on the board,
Speaker 7: see what he can do with x's and o's. But
Speaker 7: I think most of his versatility out of the backfield
Speaker 7: was a product of just getting the ball in his
Speaker 7: hands without him having a thing about it.
Speaker 5: But it worked, It works great, it works.
Speaker 7: Great, You're one hundred percent right. But I think I
Speaker 7: think you hit a certain point in the NFL where
Speaker 7: you have to be multi dimensional and if only if
Speaker 7: all you can do is just quick stuff or out
Speaker 7: of the backfield, then you're limiting your potential. Because we
Speaker 7: know he's got crazy potential and if he could put
Speaker 7: together how to process an NFL offense, which is still possible.
Speaker 7: I mean, look at Cavonte Turpin, he started to really
Speaker 7: find his own an NFL offense. He had the same
Speaker 7: concerns early on. Save William Williams could do the same.
Speaker 7: We be talking about him as the first rounder.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, who has two receptions a game. That's
Speaker 3: exactly what we're looking forward.
Speaker 5: Let me say this after wide receiver, right.
Speaker 7: I'm with you, one hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 3: I agree, But this got six for five, so that's
Speaker 3: exactly different.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, I agree.
Speaker 4: But my smallest, smallest pushback, right, AJ Brown only runs
Speaker 4: like five routes.
Speaker 5: Is what it looks like. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: That dude runs slantsy catch bubbles. He runs and it
Speaker 4: looks like they just draw lines with him. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 4: AJ run this willthorit and just go to be great.
Speaker 4: If you put routtree on Williams TCU, if you if
Speaker 4: you if you put routree on him, yeah, he'll probably
Speaker 4: you know, fall off a little bit, or just do
Speaker 4: the dance thing. Put him on the coaching side, but
Speaker 4: just find a way finally to get that dude the ball.
Speaker 4: And I've been tellingim, Brent, what the hell do we
Speaker 4: have coaches for?
Speaker 5: Right? If you look at this.
Speaker 4: Guy and say, hey, let's give this dude the rout tree,
Speaker 4: you're wrong, right, Let's give him this minimalized thing and
Speaker 4: let him be a yat guy, because honestly, people may
Speaker 4: say the same thing about Burden, right, like you don't
Speaker 4: want to over because when you watch film on Burden,
Speaker 4: like they really just all right, get in the backfield
Speaker 4: and run a swing. We'll give it to you in
Speaker 4: forty yards. Hey, go run a slant. We'll get it
Speaker 4: to you forty yards. I think Savean is gonna have
Speaker 4: the same kind of playbook. Burds a much better yet
Speaker 4: guy in my personal opinion. But if you just keep
Speaker 4: it simple, I don't see why this guy can't be
Speaker 4: a game break in your offense. And and look that
Speaker 4: may drop him to a third round guy if you hey,
Speaker 4: if he can't process, now only I only take him
Speaker 4: in the third round. But I think it's it's just
Speaker 4: worth looking at.
Speaker 3: You know who this guy is.
Speaker 6: He's Rico Collins, Nico con Nico Collins from the Houston
Speaker 6: Rico gathers.
Speaker 3: I think it.
Speaker 6: I mean, look at look at the way he played
Speaker 6: at Michigan. Look at the size this kid, and the
Speaker 6: way that the way that Collins is like that inside player.
Speaker 6: I mean I was watching him play, I was thinking
Speaker 6: of I was thinking Nico Collins from the Texans.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking of you guys.
Speaker 2: Bringing up Savian Williams from TCU. He's a Senior Bowl invite.
Speaker 2: He's also got another teammate going to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: as well, and Jack Beck, do you guys.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen him yet and a lot of people
Speaker 3: are starting to wear out about him.
Speaker 2: So he's he's been at least thought to be above
Speaker 2: Williams in that stat.
Speaker 7: If you don't get your McMillan, big X guy, then
Speaker 7: I think you could go go get Beck later. And
Speaker 7: this is better than this kid. And I think, oh,
Speaker 7: I thought I thought you met McMillan. I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: then Williams. I'm I say no, just because Williams gives
Speaker 7: you a little.
Speaker 3: Bit more, because he gives you some ceiling too.
Speaker 7: Yeah. But I but I think Beck, and I've heard
Speaker 7: it pronounced besh, so I need to go back.
Speaker 3: I might be wrong.
Speaker 7: I I he was one of the guys that I
Speaker 7: saw earlier this week. He is big. He is a
Speaker 7: tall kid, big kid, and uh yeah, he'll go up
Speaker 7: and grab it. He'll go up and grab it. He
Speaker 7: played for l s U for a little bit. He
Speaker 7: was a second American. Pff. This is a kid that
Speaker 7: can go up and grab it. But he's also got yacability,
Speaker 7: and I think this is a guy. If he's sitting
Speaker 7: there in the third round, you still need your ex guy,
Speaker 7: you could certainly go grab him.
Speaker 5: Watch him. We'll watch him and I go back and
Speaker 5: have a conversation.
Speaker 9: But it is.
Speaker 2: It is Jack Besh Besh And apparently his uncle used
Speaker 2: to work here, so okay, he's got some connections within
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 3: So just to keep an eye on a couple of sir,
Speaker 3: Greg McRoy, Well it did, didn't it right? All right?
Speaker 2: When we come back, it's time for a little Twitter
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Speaker 5: Three this week.
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Speaker 2: I do not have the read in front of me currently,
Speaker 2: so I'll hit it at the end of the segment,
Speaker 2: which means we can get right.
Speaker 3: Into some Twitter on the twenty. Twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 2: That was quick on the trigger there being as ready
Speaker 2: it was done. Dude, It's like we've been waiting for
Speaker 2: the ready.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: You talked about trade back scenarios, right, we'll hit it
Speaker 2: right off the top. Botch, I'll start with you. This
Speaker 2: is from Lord Dilly on Twitter. Yeah, gent at twelve
Speaker 2: or trade back to around the mid fifteen inch level,
Speaker 2: grab the extra capital or.
Speaker 3: Take a Buka and take a Buka if you trade back.
Speaker 2: So let's say Abuka falls but you don't get GENT,
Speaker 2: but you get extra draft capital.
Speaker 5: Man, I'm a hell man because I just said I
Speaker 5: went trade back from genty.
Speaker 4: Well, boy, I love picks, man, I love I love picks,
Speaker 4: and I think if you got picks around like any day,
Speaker 4: two picks are going to be huge for you. So
Speaker 4: I'm phony my bad, y'all. I'm being phoned. I'm trading
Speaker 4: away from from gents. Plus, I just keep watching running backs,
Speaker 4: and the more running backs I'll watch, I go.
Speaker 5: Damn boy.
Speaker 3: Ashley good Huh.
Speaker 5: Ashan is a bad boy. But man, have y'all seen
Speaker 5: RJ Harvey?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 5: Have y'all seen Samson?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 4: Like so yeah, yeah, I'm cool, all right, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: take genty off of my wooden trade back with I'm
Speaker 4: trading away from gents.
Speaker 5: I'm getting my picks. I'm trying to fill my roster up.
Speaker 9: For sure.
Speaker 6: You get the say you get the Okay, you've got
Speaker 6: to pick there in the third with at seventy seventy seven,
Speaker 6: seventy seven, Say you pick up a say you pick
Speaker 6: up like you know, pick up pick eighty with that
Speaker 6: seventy six.
Speaker 3: By the way, it's seventy six, I say you.
Speaker 6: So, So it makes you feel better because you don't
Speaker 6: have a four, right, because you don't you know that least,
Speaker 6: you're kind of doing what you did last year. You
Speaker 6: didn't have a four either, but you felt better because
Speaker 6: you had the two, the two third round picks. But
Speaker 6: is it who you would who would you target in
Speaker 6: that third round? Then if that's the case, okay, you
Speaker 6: got your receiver, you got your so give me if
Speaker 6: you could. You don't have to give me plas, give
Speaker 6: me give me two positions then that you so you're
Speaker 6: gonna get your receiver defensive tackle. Okay, so these are
Speaker 6: third rounders. So you're talking about you got two third rounders.
Speaker 5: Pick you're the one way.
Speaker 4: If you want to do okay running back and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give me a guard, I'm gonna go find me
Speaker 4: a guard right up.
Speaker 6: In that situation, you're gonna get that Rattlet charts you
Speaker 6: from Georgia or something like that.
Speaker 5: Rat Ledge.
Speaker 4: It depends on if Willem is gone out, Wyatt Millim
Speaker 4: West Virginia, Radlitch Guard Georgia. If if those guys are
Speaker 4: gone and we had this conversation Brian, like these guards
Speaker 4: are just kind of falling typically or whatever. You know, Booker,
Speaker 4: if he's there in the second and I got another third,
Speaker 4: I may look at Booker and go, all right, cool,
Speaker 4: give me Booker. I know he's a dude. I'll get
Speaker 4: my running back and my whatever else my tackle later.
Speaker 4: I could just do that and me and you watch tackles.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of stretching. Look one text are kind
Speaker 4: of you know, coming down a little bit to the
Speaker 4: third there. So yeah, you give me my wire receiver first,
Speaker 4: and I mean, would you like for me to put
Speaker 4: some names to it?
Speaker 3: No, I mean I'm just like, okay, if you the
Speaker 3: question was you get a buka? Okay, they're right. Second round,
Speaker 3: who you're taking at forty four if you had a.
Speaker 7: Chance, Johnny Cornelius, let's just throw it out there. Tackle
Speaker 7: Organ Okay, haven't you seen him? And then third round
Speaker 7: defense tackle aulf for Collins from Texas.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 6: And then with the extra and there with the and
Speaker 6: then the extra with the extra, say, the extra three
Speaker 6: that you get is that your running back.
Speaker 7: Could be Yeah, could be trick. I'll tell you what though.
Speaker 7: I would love that. I'll tell you what though. If
Speaker 7: they go into day three and they still haven't picked
Speaker 7: their running back, yeah, I'm okay with that, I really am,
Speaker 7: because there's going to be backs there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got this thing all the week going down
Speaker 6: to the fourth right now. That's as far as I've
Speaker 6: studied on some of these guys in terms of running back. Yeah,
Speaker 6: first the running back.
Speaker 5: So you wait until the fifth to get a running back?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just don't have a fourth.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying there is going to be some backs
Speaker 7: there on day three that you will love if.
Speaker 4: We had a fourth from with you. But maybe we
Speaker 4: did the same dance last year. Yeah, we was just
Speaker 4: waiting around.
Speaker 7: To the fifth and now Tracy was there Isaiah Davis
Speaker 7: was there. Yeah, some guys there in the fifth. Give
Speaker 7: me a dude, and this is a much better class
Speaker 7: here in the fifth. I think in the fifth, I'm
Speaker 7: just kind of throwing names out about guys who could
Speaker 7: be there in the fifth. I mean you're looking at
Speaker 7: a scatter bow. Uh and yeah, okay, I think comfortably
Speaker 7: got on Neil Kansas.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 7: I don't have a grade on him yet. I don't
Speaker 7: have a greade. I don't he would be gone. I
Speaker 7: thought you would be gone by that by that point.
Speaker 7: Richard smith S, m U kind of feels what do
Speaker 7: you feel about him taking? You know, the majority of
Speaker 7: UH carries out of the backfield. I like Lamb Larson
Speaker 7: out of UC Davis. I think that's an FCS gut take.
Speaker 5: You watch film from the bottom and then go up.
Speaker 5: I haven't even watched none of these people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's unbelievable.
Speaker 7: I'm a sick o.
Speaker 3: But I'll say this, ju have you started May first?
Speaker 7: Last year, I'll give it with the caveat that I
Speaker 7: watched every time I saw a running back that was
Speaker 7: draft eligible, and the TV this year I sat down
Speaker 7: and watched it. So it's like the running backs is
Speaker 7: a little bit different, like catch me on the edge
Speaker 7: and I'm going to be like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 7: what you're talking about that.
Speaker 2: So I'm taking exactly what you just said and I'm
Speaker 2: making it concrete. Because you've watched these running backs for
Speaker 2: months at a time, you say, yeah, they're going to
Speaker 2: be there in the third and.
Speaker 3: The fourth round.
Speaker 6: Okay, So what we determined here is that Abuka and
Speaker 6: then say with the extra third we're taking Collins, the
Speaker 6: defensive tackle from Texas. Is that better than you like
Speaker 6: Abuca and Collins over taking genty?
Speaker 3: So yeah, that would be your ultimate trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's for those that have the trade charts
Speaker 2: out by the way, that is a slight overpay to
Speaker 2: give eighty to go from fifteen to twelve.
Speaker 7: And somebody would overpay for gents.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, somebody would.
Speaker 4: The only reason I'm saying is is because me and
Speaker 4: Brian did this mock draft and Jensy was the first guy, right, cool,
Speaker 4: We tell Jency at twelve and then we get to
Speaker 4: forty four and we like, cussword, man, where are guys here?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: Where the guys that we've been liking so much so
Speaker 4: since then you know me, and Broun has kind of
Speaker 4: been like, yeah, maybe I passed on gents and get
Speaker 4: one of these running backs later, but then I'll go
Speaker 4: and watch the film on Jenz again.
Speaker 5: But I'm not passing up on it.
Speaker 2: Indianapolis currently holds the eightieth pick in the draft, and
Speaker 2: they also hold fourteen, so you would only go down
Speaker 2: two spots and that would actually be a legitimate trade offer.
Speaker 3: I think they've got a guy named Jonathan Bruce.
Speaker 7: We should throw this out in this conversation, and saying
Speaker 7: that Jonathan Taylor, we should Jonathan, we should throw this
Speaker 7: out in the conversations. Genty is not going to be
Speaker 7: there at twelve. I'm I'm pretty convinced gent he's not
Speaker 7: going to be there.
Speaker 4: I would be happy if you wouldn't because then I
Speaker 4: wouldn't be forced to make that decision.
Speaker 7: Same where did he go?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 7: I think you can look at Chicago. I think Chicago
Speaker 7: could pull a pick on that. You look at, uh,
Speaker 7: running through the running through.
Speaker 2: The top top ten picks Tennessee, Cleveland, New York Giants,
Speaker 2: New England Patriots, Jacksonville, Las Vegas, New York Jets, Carolina,
Speaker 2: New Orleans, Chicago, and then right before the Cowboys the
Speaker 2: San Francisco.
Speaker 7: It would make so much for Vegas to pull that.
Speaker 7: It would make so much. There's a couple of teams
Speaker 7: in there, it would make a lot of sense. I
Speaker 7: just don't think. I don't think he makes it past ten.
Speaker 3: That's a high pick. See.
Speaker 6: I just you just got to you just got to
Speaker 6: know that you have to determine that whatever that because
Speaker 6: last year you make the trade to go back and
Speaker 6: you pick up Bebie. I think we all feel good
Speaker 6: about that. Yeah, so now you know, if you're going
Speaker 6: to trade away from genty, if that's who you're looking at,
Speaker 6: then who is that? You know, you have to be
Speaker 6: ready to what's that extra pick going to get you?
Speaker 6: You know, where are you comfortable if it's a third round?
Speaker 6: Are you comfortable?
Speaker 7: Me?
Speaker 3: Personally?
Speaker 6: I like the kid Norman Lott. It's a hyphenated name
Speaker 6: from Tennessee. The three technique, you know. I think Charles Grant,
Speaker 6: the William and Mary tackles makes sense for me right now.
Speaker 6: You know we've talked about the running backs, you know, Samson, Tennessee.
Speaker 6: I think that's probably I got it probably too low
Speaker 6: on that. Do you you say a linebacker. I've kind
Speaker 6: of gotten that range.
Speaker 5: Too, Maxwell Harrison Corner Yentucky.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, right around there. So to me, if you
Speaker 6: tell me, if you're comfortable with that who we're going
Speaker 6: to get with that extra third, then it makes sense
Speaker 6: for me to do this. You got to give me names.
Speaker 6: I like, I just don't want to go flying down
Speaker 6: there blind. You know, That's what I would ask. How
Speaker 6: about this question? This is from t D Labs on Twitter.
Speaker 6: I keep wanting to say, Twitter, it's X now whatever
Speaker 6: it is. However, I'm going the opposite direction. Now I'm
Speaker 6: going to give you a name, but it's not because
Speaker 6: we're trading back. How about gent at twelve or Sean mcvayh.
Speaker 3: For the first five years or for the next five years.
Speaker 3: You're trading that pick to LA to go and get
Speaker 3: a head coach.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Sean McVay easily.
Speaker 3: Really that easy.
Speaker 2: I've thought asking this question on the Draft show I
Speaker 2: would get push back on it.
Speaker 3: I think i'd go McVay. Yeah, yeah, Oh, I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: my one, you're one. I would have Sean Payton win
Speaker 3: for one.
Speaker 5: I would have to know how down he is.
Speaker 4: I don't want him to just get here to be like,
Speaker 4: I don't like this, I'm leaving and now I'm out
Speaker 4: of a first round pick and he don't want to
Speaker 4: be here.
Speaker 2: That would be the only way they do it in
Speaker 2: the first place is if he has one foot out
Speaker 2: of the door in LA because they're currently in the
Speaker 2: divisional round, they have some some possibilities moving forward, and
Speaker 2: they work for a team that, literally when they won the.
Speaker 3: Super Bowl said f them picks due.
Speaker 6: They're picking up a pick starts a year one and
Speaker 6: four and ends up in the divisional round every year.
Speaker 5: If I get a ten year contract with some handcuffs.
Speaker 3: And five years, that's it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I take san vay.
Speaker 4: It depends on who's on the board, man, Like, if
Speaker 4: it's one of these guys, that's kind all right, cool,
Speaker 4: I'll trade back from Yeah, I'll take Sean McVay. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we just would have to worry about coaching for five years.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: This one's from uh Daniel Connolly.
Speaker 2: With the first round grades being so few days this season,
Speaker 2: if you're completely wiped out at twelve, one of those
Speaker 2: scenarios we talked about earlier, completely wiped out at twelve,
Speaker 2: are you trading back picking up those selections or are
Speaker 2: you sticking to BP a best player of available?
Speaker 3: How wiped out are we though?
Speaker 7: That's that's my question.
Speaker 3: How wiped out is it? Abuka? Is it? Campbell?
Speaker 7: Is it Let's just say all of your first round
Speaker 7: grades are gone, Yes, you're on, I'd be I'd be parachuting.
Speaker 7: I'm under the Jeff Cavanaugh line of thinking where I'm
Speaker 7: always team trade back.
Speaker 6: If if every one of my first round grades are gone,
Speaker 6: then them quarterbacks terrible this year.
Speaker 3: Then if you know what I'm looking.
Speaker 6: If I'm looking at these, I'm looking at one of
Speaker 6: those wide receivers, I'm looking at Golden or somebody like that.
Speaker 6: I don't have Golden in the first but I'm looking
Speaker 6: at somebody like that. I'm looking at uh. I'm looking
Speaker 6: at Green from UH from I mentioned him from Martin Marshall. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm looking I'll tell you I'm looking at Grant from
Speaker 6: from Michigan defensive time. If you if you want to
Speaker 6: try and wipe me out, you know I'm not. I'm
Speaker 6: not as high on on Will Johnson as everybody us
Speaker 6: in the league, you know, but if he if he
Speaker 6: ends up being you know, that's gonna kick I take
Speaker 6: Morrison up there, I take Barron, you know. But but
Speaker 6: like I say that, I mean, I you can, you
Speaker 6: can wipe me out, but I would I would be
Speaker 6: comfortable taking Golden or Grant or one of those guys
Speaker 6: I had.
Speaker 5: To give me the picks, and I would just take
Speaker 5: Baron anyway.
Speaker 4: So that's where I'm with trade back and see if
Speaker 4: he falls. I think everybody's gonna want to trade back,
Speaker 4: like like that's just like, hey.
Speaker 6: If you get wiped out, aren't aren't other teams thinking
Speaker 6: they're wiped out too?
Speaker 2: And that's why I think trade Why, I mean, you
Speaker 2: gotta somebody's gotta have something to go up.
Speaker 3: Somebody's got to come up for something.
Speaker 6: And if you know, and you you know what, if
Speaker 6: they're coming up for something, I hope you're considering the
Speaker 6: same damn thing, you know, picking the guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, unless it's like a cam Ward or should Door
Speaker 7: falling to twelve.
Speaker 4: I was really hoping Riley Leonard like went on his
Speaker 4: run at the end to make people yeah, like come on, Riley,
Speaker 4: But nah, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think Righty is gonna go out.
Speaker 7: I wonder what happens with Quinn. You were during the process,
Speaker 7: because we were talking about JJ McCarthy this time last year,
Speaker 7: third round pick, like you know whatever, and then teams,
Speaker 7: teams were willing to sell their soul to go get
Speaker 7: JJ McCarthy there in the top ten. So I wonder
Speaker 7: how Quinn Yours factors in this process, because I think
Speaker 7: teams are going to fall in love with the potential
Speaker 7: of quinn Ewers, They're gonna fall in love with the
Speaker 7: idea of quin Yours, And I wonder how much that
Speaker 7: that boosts his value here.
Speaker 3: I think he's got some tony romo to his game.
Speaker 7: Uh, just because that's Garrettsmeyer. You know, Garrettsmeyer is Oh
Speaker 7: garretts Myer's Yeah, I love. So it's tough for me
Speaker 7: to say necessarily. I like I said the other day,
Speaker 7: I think I think he's got a little brother.
Speaker 6: I think you're right about smart because I think he's
Speaker 6: got a little more of the mobility and stuff for
Speaker 6: Romo was able to duck and.
Speaker 3: Dodge and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one's from landing on Twitter. What point in
Speaker 2: the draft of the impact d tackles dry up across
Speaker 2: the board. Of course, Dallas has used those premium picks.
Speaker 2: Mazi Tristan Hill. First, you drafts over the last couple
Speaker 2: of uh a couple of drafts, do you think there's
Speaker 2: a spot where Oh yeah.
Speaker 7: I think once you're looking at like the fourth round,
Speaker 7: so like.
Speaker 3: You need to go get your guy dating in your
Speaker 3: three picks. Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, what was the word to use?
Speaker 5: Like premium is what he said?
Speaker 3: Impact?
Speaker 5: Impact? What's what's really impact?
Speaker 7: Like like like what starting day one? Starting day one, potentially.
Speaker 5: Round three for me?
Speaker 4: Then yeah, right right around uh, Grant Williams, Walker Harmon.
Speaker 4: That's kind of where my super impact guys no one. No,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not as big on Nolan as as
Speaker 4: some of these others. And I like Nolan, but when
Speaker 4: I watch these other guys, I'm like, boy, they biggest
Speaker 4: hell in athletics, and Nolan's biggest hell.
Speaker 5: Kind of clumsy, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 5: kind of dropped him down a little bit for that.
Speaker 7: Uh, he needs he needs seasoning. He does.
Speaker 4: Norman Lot. We just talked about him Tennessee. I love
Speaker 4: his athleticism, but he's not very strong and I want
Speaker 4: my tackle to be kind of strong. But like as
Speaker 4: a dance pass rush, he kind of do third down
Speaker 4: stuff I think that's perfect for him, but I don't
Speaker 4: think you could use that all the time. Alfred Collins, Texas,
Speaker 4: he's a bit of a project than me. He has
Speaker 4: all the all the twos in the world. But you
Speaker 4: gotta trust coaching there, and I'm not trust in my coaches.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Right now, I'll tell you what if you lose Osa
Speaker 7: to free agency, which I'm expecting, I think a guy
Speaker 7: that could be there on day three. If you want
Speaker 7: a three tech pass rush guy and Nae Peevels out
Speaker 7: of Virginia Tech. That's a guy who can get after
Speaker 7: the quarterback. Six d ninety pounds and uh was fifth
Speaker 7: in the nation and defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: What did you think about Sanders from South Carolina?
Speaker 7: I haven't watched Sanders because every time I watched Sanders
Speaker 7: I end up watching Tonka Hemingway because he's right next
Speaker 7: to him, and I just love the name.
Speaker 5: So you watched Tonka henming Way, but you haven't one.
Speaker 5: I know, I know you're going back.
Speaker 7: I know it's tough.
Speaker 3: He is going backwards.
Speaker 7: He's startally just over the place.
Speaker 3: Let me start with the priority free agents back where.
Speaker 2: Is Tanka Hemingway's name connects to connected to Thor Griffith,
Speaker 2: also a defensive tackle.
Speaker 5: Out of Louisville.
Speaker 3: They give me Tonka Thor a strong defensive tackle.
Speaker 7: Tonka truck in the middle. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: But you know, to be honest with you, though, do
Speaker 6: you think maybe that the guys that you mentioned, like
Speaker 6: Grant Williams, Harmon Walk could all be gone behind Dallas
Speaker 6: picks at forty four?
Speaker 5: I think so.
Speaker 7: Brant Well, Tyler Williams, Yeah from Ohio State Williams Man,
Speaker 7: Derek Harmon, I think could be there. You've got some
Speaker 7: teams that love him and some teams that are like,
Speaker 7: I'm completely good off that.
Speaker 3: What about like A.
Speaker 2: I know we talked a lot about Texas A and
Speaker 2: M ed Rushers yesterday. Shamar Turner inside guy from A
Speaker 2: and M. I'm good not a second round guy, more
Speaker 2: lower lower along the one.
Speaker 4: Tell us why me because every time I come on
Speaker 4: here talk about the Texan people started calling me Hayden.
Speaker 5: Tell us about Stewart. Just just give me a little return.
Speaker 3: Swar Turner, Yeah, tell us about all of them, both guys.
Speaker 3: Give me both.
Speaker 7: You want both guys, Shamar Turner de Soto grad. So
Speaker 7: I've I've been watching him since he was fifteen years old.
Speaker 7: I think he's got effort problems, and I would tell
Speaker 7: that's smart. Turner face olks Smith. So Shamar Stewart, on
Speaker 7: the other hand, I do like Shamar Stewart. I think
Speaker 7: he's a high motor. I think he's a freak. I
Speaker 7: just think he needs to put on some weight and
Speaker 7: I think he could be I think he could be
Speaker 7: legit at the next level. Okay, he's also versatile. He's
Speaker 7: talking about piano players last year. He's kind of a
Speaker 7: guy that I think could move up and down.
Speaker 4: They all run down the middle of people, and as
Speaker 4: a d lineman that that stuff bothers me. Man, stop
Speaker 4: run down the middle of people. Hey, what the hells
Speaker 4: coaching for?
Speaker 2: My first thought when you said piano players, I forgot
Speaker 2: about that term. Last year I pictured Shamar Turner playing
Speaker 2: piano like Marion Barber.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Christopher asked how many draft picks would need to hit
Speaker 2: in this draft class, all all of them to be
Speaker 2: pushing for a playoffs.
Speaker 4: Fifteen last one of them fifteen, all them five do
Speaker 4: something and the undrafted kids they.
Speaker 5: Don't have to hit.
Speaker 7: You know, it depends on the position. It really does
Speaker 7: like to be to be serious, I think if you
Speaker 7: hit on I think if you hit on like six
Speaker 7: and they're at value positions, and I think you're talking,
Speaker 7: But I look, this team has to do something in
Speaker 7: free agency. There's no way they don't. And if you're
Speaker 7: a head coach and you're interviewing here and you're walking
Speaker 7: in that office, one of your questions, you know how
Speaker 7: you're an interview Okay, what do you have questions about
Speaker 7: this place? What are we going to do in free agency?
Speaker 7: If I'm here? What we got to do something? Because
Speaker 7: it's the philosophy over the last few years has not
Speaker 7: been great.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 7: I loved the offseason when they went and traded for
Speaker 7: Brandon Cooks, Stefan Gilmore. I think that could be, you know,
Speaker 7: on the table. But are you gonna are you gonna
Speaker 7: sacrifice picks for that because you're certainly not gonna be
Speaker 7: able to sacrifice personnel because you don't have any personnel
Speaker 7: less you don't have them.
Speaker 6: So I agree, I think we're about to see the
Speaker 6: second big purge last year's purge with the talent, the
Speaker 6: backup guys. Get ready Osa Goldston, maybe Lewis, You're about
Speaker 6: to see you're about to see a bunch of guys
Speaker 6: walk out of this building, and I don't think you
Speaker 6: have enough resources to.
Speaker 3: Plug up the holes. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we talked about one through ten, feel pretty good,
Speaker 2: eleven through fifty three is going to be tough along
Speaker 2: the way, all right.
Speaker 3: When we come back here on the Draft Show, I'm
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: Look ahead to those coaching candidates that have been kind
Speaker 2: of rumored around throughout any trends along the way that
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Speaker 2: Show with Chris Beaman, the backup Kyle Yeomans. Final couple
Speaker 2: minutes here, gentlemen, as we kind of sift through the
Speaker 2: draft class as a whole in the scenarios that could
Speaker 2: be at hand, there's also some scenarios on the coaching
Speaker 2: side of things that have to be hit out of
Speaker 2: the candidates that have been named so far. This is
Speaker 2: not a prediction segment, but just based on their history
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Are any of these guys Brian bringing
Speaker 2: trends to the table, whether it's Pete Carroll or it's
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore or the impact that's been played here in
Speaker 2: Dallas that can be from a new head coaching high Well,
Speaker 2: you've got, like you.
Speaker 3: Say, you got.
Speaker 6: Pete Carroll does have a history with John Snyder and
Speaker 6: what they did in Seattle right around John my old
Speaker 6: intern loves to draft running backs. That was like his
Speaker 6: favorite thing to do. I John had twelve picks and
Speaker 6: that he can make them all running backs.
Speaker 7: He's just like me.
Speaker 3: He'd absolutely do that.
Speaker 6: But I think that, you know, yeah, there's you know,
Speaker 6: with Robert Salah, you know, maybe the Jets a little
Speaker 6: talent poor in some areas. I mean, you got to
Speaker 6: know how much influence that a coach has in a
Speaker 6: draft room. And I know working here and I know
Speaker 6: we were talking about it during the break that if
Speaker 6: you're a head coach of Dallas Cowboys, whether you want
Speaker 6: to have a say or not, you're going to have
Speaker 6: the opportunity to have a say. There's guys that were
Speaker 6: very adamant about their ability to talk about these players.
Speaker 6: Bill Parcells, I mean, I you know, working with him.
Speaker 6: I know, Dave Campbell not so much, Wade Phillips not
Speaker 6: so much. But you know, you get guys like Jason Garrett.
Speaker 6: Jason Garrett was you know, you look at him and
Speaker 6: how he the fact that his dad was a scout
Speaker 6: and all that he wanted to be an influence. He
Speaker 6: wanted to have a say. There's certain coaches that can
Speaker 6: come in and they want dan Quinn was that way.
Speaker 6: Dan Quinn works shoulder to shoulder with Will McLay and
Speaker 6: those scouts. He was out on the road, you know,
Speaker 6: working out players good or bad. They missed on all
Speaker 6: those Kentucky players, but you know they hit on some
Speaker 6: guys along the way. They got, you know, Deron Bland and.
Speaker 3: People like that.
Speaker 6: So you know the coaches coming in, you you could
Speaker 6: they have some of them want to be involved with
Speaker 6: personnel and roll up their sleeves and get it done.
Speaker 6: And then there's others like Mike McCarthy when he came here,
Speaker 6: he never had Ted Thompson picked all the players in
Speaker 6: Green Bay. Mike really had no voice. Mike came here.
Speaker 6: I think he told the media one day he goes,
Speaker 6: I've had more say here than I ever had at
Speaker 6: Green Bay. So you know that it just depends on
Speaker 6: the coach and whether he wants to take advantage of that.
Speaker 6: Does he want to be a guy that's in the
Speaker 6: middle of it, and does he want it because Will
Speaker 6: is going to He's going to solicited the Joneses opinions,
Speaker 6: the scout's opinions, and the head coach's opinion, and that's
Speaker 6: going to formulate how they set their board. So you know,
Speaker 6: if a coach, they're going to ask him and whether
Speaker 6: he wants to take it or.
Speaker 3: Not, it's up to him.
Speaker 7: I hope Will mcclay's part of this interview process with
Speaker 7: with these head coaches, because I if it were me,
Speaker 7: I didn't want a head coach that's very hands on
Speaker 7: with the scouting, and you don't want it on your
Speaker 7: solo mission, not necessarily even a solo mission. I just
Speaker 7: want the head coach to know what's going on, you know.
Speaker 7: And not to say that McCarthy didn't know what was
Speaker 7: going on, but I think he could have. He could
Speaker 7: have been a lot more in tune with draft conversations,
Speaker 7: especially as it got to draft day.
Speaker 6: Some coaches don't want to be a part of that,
Speaker 6: you know, Like they'll they'll tell you, hey, just bring
Speaker 6: I'll coach whoever you want, you know, bring them all.
Speaker 6: I'll coach him. And you know, I think Will does
Speaker 6: a good job of kind of pulling everybody together. They
Speaker 6: do work on a consensus around here, you know, and
Speaker 6: that's the way they put up their board. But I'll
Speaker 6: tell you this, though, Nick, it will drive me nuts
Speaker 6: though sometimes. I remember one time I told a coach
Speaker 6: he was going on and on and on about this player,
Speaker 6: and you know, we've done a lot of work on
Speaker 6: the player. And I looked at him, I said, I
Speaker 6: don't call third down defenses. And he goes, what do
Speaker 6: you mean by that?
Speaker 3: And I go, I don't call third down defenses.
Speaker 6: Don't tell me how we need to scout players here,
Speaker 6: you know, And you know I wasn't trying to be
Speaker 6: a jerk, but you know, there's there's certain things that
Speaker 6: coaches need to do. They they work on the draft
Speaker 6: a certain time. My guys work on the draft all
Speaker 6: twelve months out of the year. You know, don't come
Speaker 6: in here and tell me this is you know, if
Speaker 6: you know, I'll hey, if you want to sit down
Speaker 6: and talk about it. But if you want to come
Speaker 6: in here in influence picks the wrong way, then I'm
Speaker 6: going to I'm going to tell you how to call
Speaker 6: third down defense. Then you know, I think I think
Speaker 6: there's a there's a line that you have to be
Speaker 6: able to to maintain.
Speaker 4: I don't really know about coaching trends and drafts and
Speaker 4: all that. That's not really my bag. But one thing
Speaker 4: that I can hope for is that we can have
Speaker 4: a coach that can just coach and take a player
Speaker 4: and kind of boost what we have right now because
Speaker 4: we can sit up here and talk about draft a
Speaker 4: lot of these me needs, our needs because we got
Speaker 4: young guys.
Speaker 5: That we just aren't positive about.
Speaker 4: And I've developed for sure, so like our hair is right,
Speaker 4: like cool, we have our hair, so maybe we could
Speaker 4: draft a corner later and he can fix this corner.
Speaker 4: Or like, if we have some really good coach on
Speaker 4: the old line of stuff, Okay, maybe we shouldn't draft
Speaker 4: left tackle. Let's just see what guidance is because we
Speaker 4: really trust, you know, Philly, Philly will take a rugby
Speaker 4: player that'd be like, all right, I'm just gonna tweak
Speaker 4: this a little bit and you'll be good to go.
Speaker 4: And I imagine that you can draft lineman with confidence
Speaker 4: if you if you're positive that you got coaches that
Speaker 4: can tweak small things. We got a lot of young
Speaker 4: guys on this team, so just tweak some of my
Speaker 4: little bit things, right. And Deon Sanders, you know, we
Speaker 4: you know, just floating around. If Dion knows dudes, like
Speaker 4: if he brings Warren Sapp and Warren Sapp got magic
Speaker 4: Pixie does that could fix tackles. Let's bring in Deon
Speaker 4: and and that'll be his draft contribution to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: See, I think you're absolutely right about that, because, like
Speaker 6: I say, I want to give Mike Zimmer and their
Speaker 6: staff on defense credit. They got they got Goldston and
Speaker 6: Massie and and oh sad and those guys to play. Yeah,
Speaker 6: they I mean, we've all been waiting for that, and
Speaker 6: they pulled that off. So coaching did matter.
Speaker 2: Karl Lawson as yeah, the one they got, those guys
Speaker 2: all playing, they got the most out him as the
Speaker 2: year went along. There's still so many question marks around
Speaker 2: guys that haven't seen that yet, and even Monzie too.
Speaker 2: I think even Mazzie right now, when you're looking at
Speaker 2: his progression, it's still not skyrocketing the way that you
Speaker 2: would anticipate from a first round pick from somebody that
Speaker 2: you've invested a lot into.
Speaker 7: I'll point this out about Robert Salah and his drafting resume.
Speaker 7: I don't know obviously how much influence he had, whether
Speaker 7: it be in San Francisco or New York, but let's
Speaker 7: take a look at the picks and how those have
Speaker 7: developed over time, with obviously him as coach. Solomon So
Speaker 7: twenty seventeen, Solomon Thomas, Ruben Foster. Then in twenty eighteen
Speaker 7: is when it picks up Fred Warner, DJ Reid, Nick Bosa,
Speaker 7: dre Greenlaw, Javon Kinlaw, and then you go to the Jets.
Speaker 7: You have Sauce Gardner, Will McDonald and these are guys
Speaker 7: that I think, whether he had influence in drafting them
Speaker 7: or not, he's he knows how to develop up guys
Speaker 7: and I think that would certainly. I mean, he's my
Speaker 7: pick for DC. He's who I would bring in for DC. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: What about head coach?
Speaker 7: No, no, I this this team needs a proven head
Speaker 7: coach who knows how to win in the postseason. And
Speaker 7: funny enough, I think your best candidate other than Pete
Speaker 7: Carroll might be Mike McCarthy in that sense, but I
Speaker 7: think our best available coach, I suld say not candidate,
Speaker 7: but you need a guy who's proven. Pete Carroll, right,
Speaker 7: Pete Carroll's my guy, and then Robert Solow would be
Speaker 7: my DC.
Speaker 3: That would be my two picks. By the way, just
Speaker 3: for the record, I'm in it with you.
Speaker 7: Oh see, Josh McCown, Can I can I talk you?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, I'm down for that.
Speaker 2: He's done a great job in the minnisoda, so I
Speaker 2: like it. All right, that's going to do it for
Speaker 2: us here on the Draft Show today. Thank you all
Speaker 2: for your questions on Twitter on the twenty. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on Tuesday as we continue forward to the NFL Draft.
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