WEBVTT - Draft Show: Where to Start? 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:09.040 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.799 for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:17.360 confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:23.400 your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.200 Today is January sixteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.040 ninety eight days away from the twenty twenty five NFL 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.760 drafting Green Bay, Wisconsin. As we welcome you to the 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.239 Draft Show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.120 the Dallas Cowboys. Today we've got Nick Harris, Brian brought 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.440 us Vatch Lombardi with Chris Beam in the back. I'm 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.880 Kyle Yeomans, as we are excited to bring you all 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:48.280 sorts of draft insight here over the next forty five minutes. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.800 I want to get right into it because we do 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.360 have some Twitter on the twenty today. We've got some 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.240 great questions flying in. I tweeted it out late last night. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.760 Give us your questions, give us your your insights. I 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.120 will compile those as we go along, and we will 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:04.760 ask some of those questions, try and get to as 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:09.120 many as possible. But I wanted to start with holes 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.759 to fill. Of course, there's a lot of intrigue around 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.960 coaching decision, a lot of intrigue around what they're going 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.080 to do from that side of things. We'll stick away 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:19.640 from that for a little bit. We've talked about at 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.399 the last two shows. Until they hire someone. I want 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.320 to talk about what we know around this Cowboys roster. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.479 I think that's a pretty safe bet and that hole, 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.080 that mentality means there are holes to fill up front 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:34.360 in terms of this Cowboys team. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.640 So I will start with you watch offense, defense. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.200 Where do you start if you're the Cowboys and you're 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.400 looking at filling some of those different voids along the way. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.640 You know, we could just say BPA, but I want 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.880 to say, like the best big dude that can make 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.600 you tough, real faut right, you know what you have 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.680 to do? Is or just I do this? I don't 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.880 want to be fairybody is. I'm looking at the rivals. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.600 I'm looking at the dudes we have to line up 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.800 and play against and boil. And we play against a 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.960 lot of tough people, play against a lot of strong 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.160 offensive line man, a lot of athletic offensive line. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:04.520 A lot of dudes want to run the ball right 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:04.760 at us. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.160 I think are defensive line. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.800 We gotta fix that. We gotta fix that. And you know, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.920 everybody wants to hear us go wide receiver. They want 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.640 to hear us go running back, and you need that too, 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.160 You need all those things too. But if I can 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.760 get tougher first, that's a you know, that's the thing 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.760 we'll just do one day. Would you rather be tougher 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.920 or would you like rather go wire receiver first? I 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.760 think we have to get tougher first, and then I 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.080 think you can live with whoever you sign as the 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.200 wide receiver that's ready to play right now. If I'm 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.919 really tough at one take, if I'm really tough at 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.400 guard or whatever, we think that we're missing left tack 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.440 or whatever you want to say, But yeah, get bigger, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:37.919 get you know, get bigger, get tougher. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.080 You think this team is built to win the division 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:41.680 and not win the conference. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.359 Well they're not winning the built to win the division 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:44.880 anymore just because the Eagles. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:46.000 But you were built. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.760 But I understand what you're saying. I remember that same 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.480 sentiment on you had on the break, and I think 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.400 I think it's very spot on because you look at 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.240 the success that they had in twenty three when they 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.200 were healthy. Yeah, built to win the division. Eagles fell apart, 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.720 but yes, built to win the division. But then you 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.600 go and you you play up against a really tough 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.360 team in Green Bay, or if you were to somehow 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.680 get across that game, you play a tough team in Detroit, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:06.280 you were going to get smacked in the mouth. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:07.000 Yeah. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.639 I kind of feel like that it's built. I think 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.640 Will has a really good understanding of how to win 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.120 this division. And I wonder if he's now kind of 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.200 looking at his board thinking like, how can I win 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.760 this conference? Now he's got to have it's It's going 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.760 to be interesting now with what the commanders have done 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.520 at quarterback. You know, you'll see what happens with the Giants. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.120 I was on with Jeff Cavanaugh this morning, he and 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.880 I doing our Trust Tape podcast, and I sat there 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.000 and he talked about a mock draft he did where 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.920 he kept trading back because that's what Jeff Kavanaugh does. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.200 He didn't have enough picks to fill all the holes 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:41.600 he had. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.880 He didn't draft a wide receiver, you know, and now 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.440 you know we're talking about you know, you mentioned about 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.600 wide receiver get tougher and all that they might not 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.920 have enough picks to fill all the things that you're 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:54.560 asking us to do college and sore. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.920 So where do you have to start? 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.040 Where if you had to sacrifice something, Nick, you say, Okay, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.400 I don't have enough picks, but I could live without this, 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.960 but I got to have this in order to watch 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.160 is telling me I got to be tougher. I don't 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.200 think I can win the conference because I'm not built 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.080 the right way. And Jeff Kavanaugh, who was a Draft 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.320 Show disciple, is telling me I kept training back and 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.520 I still didn't have enough picks to grab what I needed. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.240 Yeah, I think is that a problem we're going about 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:26.520 to deal? 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:27.039 Which problem? 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.240 It really depends on what happens a free agency, but yes, 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:30.680 it's it's it's certainly a problem. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.640 You don't expect anything to happen, nothing happens. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.120 Yeah, we'll see because I mean, Eric Hendricks filled a hole. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.400 That's why I say that, because that was one less 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.600 linebacker you had a draft last year. So if you 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.920 can bring an a yeah, bringing Eric Hendricks back, then 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.520 I don't think you necessarily have to worry about the 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:51.680 linebacker position. But I would if I had to sacrifice anything, though, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.320 i'd sacrifice the secondary. I don't love the safeties, and 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.800 I think you have some liabilities at corner, but I 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.719 would sacrifice the secondary to to plug holes elsewhere. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.479 I hate when I talk about safeties when I'm with him. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.039 I agree with Nick because you can go, Okay, give 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.120 me the best free safety, but your one tach's bad. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:09.000 You know what I mean. 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.599 You have to fix the fundamental baseline stuff first. Sure, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.599 so yeah, fix your front seven first. Why do you 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.600 have a free safety that's just sitting back there Roman 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.880 all day? Because we can't get past rush starts to 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.719 start the show this year. And that's the first. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.360 Name I marked it on my list as the first 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:25.960 name mentioned that. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.320 It doesn't matter what to be a caw as it 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.159 matter if you have a great king, if your guard's 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.000 up front, but they're gonna get in and shoot your king. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:33.839 But we're playing chess now. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.560 Yeah, And that's exactly why I mentioned him, because when 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.680 we're on the board at twelve, he might be the 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.280 best dude there. Starks might be the best dude there. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.680 You got to ask yourself, man, And I know we 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.200 just spent premium picks. This is what cowboy fans really 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.800 mad at. We just spent picks at left tackle and 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:49.840 one tech back to back. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.400 Yeah, we might have to do it again. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.440 We might have to get tackle and d line and 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.320 have to rive it up just because we allegedly air 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.320 quote is early, I know, but we just air quote 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.839 missed on those guys. Well, if you haven't, you know, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.080 drafted safety in the wild Cowboys have had a safety 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.920 that we love. And so my one tech I got questions, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.880 my left tick, I got questions, you know. So you know, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.159 linebackers another one. We hurt there, We hurt there, and 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.160 we may not get the linebacker group that we really 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.240 love until the year after that. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:16.720 So it's questions. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.279 My man's talking defense the whole way. He ain't gonna 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:20.599 let you take an offensive player. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, old line got to my bones though, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.559 But I think I think got to start defense because 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.240 we're gonna, you know, wide receiver in the first with 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.039 a thin white receiver. 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:32.200 Boy. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.520 Me and Brian just talked about some wide receivers yesterday. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.400 Boy and that boy, that kid from Texas Exactly. It 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.480 just it just depends on where you go get them. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.279 But I think, hey, if you want to guard, I 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.280 think you find guards later. If you want a running back, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.599 you can definitely find running backs later. I think where 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.239 you need to what you need to get as dudes, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.719 and the best dudes that you need to go for 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.320 first are like those front seven guys. That's just my opin. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:52.800 I want to put a pin in that Texas wide 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.240 receiver conversation. Just second, you. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.799 Said Bolden, Golden, Golden. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.120 They do have a Ballond too, and there is a bold, but. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.360 I could bind, uh Golden. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.000 There's three different receivers. There's Golden, Golden, and Bond. Yeah, 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.040 those are the older guys. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:07.360 Golden. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:08.160 I don't know. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.360 Yeah, yeah, so making sure, yeah, yeah, I was making 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:13.400 sure I heard that correctly. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:14.680 I do want to talk about that later though. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:16.480 I know this is a little hypocritical because I just 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.880 said don't draft secondary. But if you're sitting there at 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:21.440 twelve and John A. Barron, is there a guy who 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.600 can play anywhere in the second taking. He could play 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.040 it outside, he could play a slot, he could play 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.920 a rover, he could play a safety free strong wherever 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:27.560 you want to put him. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.040 You're taking him, Oh yeah, I'm taking it. But let 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:31.680 me ask you this though, you're taking him or you're 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.200 going to take. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.400 Banks, And that's the question. That's the question. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:39.160 I just asked you the question. O man, you got 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:45.240 say you have say, okay, give me okay. Likely McMillan gone, right, yeah, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:46.280 we kind of likely. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.400 Likely. I mean we've had some seedy Lamb situations. Likely. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.400 McMillan gone, if they If I don't know, I have 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.600 him as receiver one, depending on what you think about Hunter. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:55.760 Where you want to play Hunter? 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.960 Okay, McMillen receiver Arizona? 0:07:58.040 --> 0:07:59.160 Yeah, yes, yeah, but. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.400 If you're looking at say Burden, Abuca and Golden. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:07.239 Missouri Missouri State Texas, right, all these guys, Yeah. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.640 You have to say these things. You can't just have 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.760 a conversation. I know I've been it's been like beat 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.920 into my head. Say the school, Brian, say the school. 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.360 Like I think the people that watch the show are 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.280 smart enough to know the players sometimes sometimes But okay, 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.280 the McMillan's gone, three wide receivers. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:34.280 Banks and now Baron. Think about that where you're going. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.360 So the three receivers are gone, you said. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.480 No, Burden's there, Ibuka's there, Golden's there, and then you 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.440 have a chance for banks and then now you have 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.680 to bearn and those are all available at twelve. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.320 Yeah, I'm not risking going receiver that early. I think 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.360 I think I would still go either Banks or Barron, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.320 but I'd be open to either conversation. I think if 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.320 it were me right now today January sixteenth, i'd take Banks. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.839 Nick let mention this, So do you have Banks at 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.040 guard or tackle? 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.600 I think you can play either. I think that's the situation. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:03.959 You get him in the building and figure it out. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.640 So let me ask you this, tackles go this high 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.079 all the time. Guard has got to be Quentin Nelson 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.160 to go this high. I think he could be okay cool. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.520 I think he could be cool cool, So it's worth 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.280 I feel that good about it. You didn't expect that one, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.719 don't You did not expect that one. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:18.160 I don't. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.400 I don't personally think he's Quentin Nelson that guard. I 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.280 think he's a really good Kelvin Banks that guard. I 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.240 think he's probably best at tackle as my own person 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.839 paying everybody's gonna disagree about that, but I think if 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.280 he's a guard, he's got to be that kind of dude. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:30.720 If you're going to take him that early. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:31.360 Do you do you? 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.240 Guys kind of hope then to pray that Graham then 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.360 from the Michigan Tackle gets to you at twelve. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.520 Yeah, man, we having a party, what you mean, Yeah, 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:39.800 a golden correct. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.839 With Graham, with Graham Trump all And here's that one 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:44.559 technique thing. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.439 It is wearing that Michigan. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.200 Seeing Kenneth Grant earlier this week. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.600 See that's see. And I have Grant. 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.480 I have Grant as my second one technique. So now 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.640 behind behind Grant Graham. 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.359 Yeah, Michigan, Michigan, both of them. Yeah. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.680 I can already here the chaos ensuing out there on 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:03.640 the Tostitos Plaza. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.319 If they drafted Michigan, somebody just threw up and already, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.000 like we talk about pin throws on the draft weekend, somebody. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.280 Just already threw one across the board. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.440 So with Graham though, and this is the one thing 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.840 that's annoying really, all right, we pick at Twitch, you 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.400 get tougher Man, Graham is tougher. Graham's not gonna make 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:19.640 it to forty four, is he? 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:19.880 No? 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.600 No, that's the problem. Now, that's a problem. So there's 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:23.760 a lot of guys that I like. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:24.960 That is. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.520 There's about Grant. It's about Grant. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:28.480 Kenny Grant, can Grant? 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:29.040 You said Grant? 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.160 I said, Graham, Yeah, but you said Grant's not making 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.000 it to forty four, I don't think well, of course, 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.840 neither one. But yeah, I think he gets picked in 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.839 the first Kenny Grant Michigan, definitely. I like him a bunch. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.240 I think twelve is too rich, but he's not gonna 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.440 make it to forty four. And we may have a 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.480 question from one of our peoples about trading back and 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.800 all that, but I thought, I think that's a perfect 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.000 trade back type candidate situation. It just depends on how 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.839 far you want to go back. If I can move back, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.360 get Kenny Grant, get another pick, draft running back later, 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:55.360 I think we can go party. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.480 There are so many different elements. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.040 I mean, I just talked about holes to fill, and 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.120 here we are bouncing around all that. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.280 That's what I'm saying, and it need picks, You need picks, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.840 and but in a thin what we're all talking about 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.000 a thin draft. There are good players in this draft, 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.120 don't get me wrong. It just doesn't have the depth 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.040 that we were used to. But you can find some guys. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.800 And that's what I'm saying. Though, you do you trade 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.880 back in this draft knowing that it gets thinner when 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.640 you go back? I mean, or do you just go 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.560 ahead and take the guys that are on the board 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.760 and then try and navigate the rest of the draft. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.079 I would just try to maximize top one hundred picks, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.920 sure possible. Like if I'm moving back on the first 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.839 and I'm keeping up not getting a top one hundred 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.120 pick out of it, then it's not worth. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.079 It, especially at twelve, because you think about how rich 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.600 it was to move from twenty four to twenty nine 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.600 last year. Yeah, you picked up a third round pick 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.600 in order to do so. Now you're moving from twelve 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.920 to whatever level. How comfortable would you be? How far 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.240 back would you see comfortable? 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.640 To me? You want to know my trade back guy? 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.439 And if things start it looks really muddy and kind 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.120 of crazy Green for Marshall, Like Green, Marshall, Yeah, if 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.280 you if I had to trade back into like late 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.960 first in the twenties, okay, you know if you heck, 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.199 I would like I would, you know, depending on who's 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.080 on that board. But I said, if it was muddy, 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.600 I would consider Green in that situation right there, that 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:17.520 edge from Marshall. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.520 I am not trading back from McMillan from Zona. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:22.000 Yeah. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:27.079 Uh genty running back Boise a dual Card. None of 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.480 these guys gonna be the I'm just saying Carter Penn 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.600 State Edge, Mason Graham, Travishon's not gonna be their vises 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.360 on the board. Everybody else can they can get traded 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.880 back from. So if Burden is there, I love bird out. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.240 So you've only got five names on that list that 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.880 you would say we're sticking and picking. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.480 Because I think yes, because I think those dudes are 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:46.160 like bona fide. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:47.360 Yeah, we can't leave these guys. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.839 Yeah, but like if Burden is there, if a Buka 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.880 is there, if Banks is there, I'm looking at like 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.160 ten picks back. I may like somebody ten picks back 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.400 as much as I possibly like Burden or a Buka 0:12:58.440 --> 0:12:58.960 or something like that. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.760 So yeah, I'll move Simmons, Ohio State tackle. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.520 I think he's the best tackle, but I need the need. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.480 I need doctor Cooper to Tamy what is what his 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.240 he looks like? But I think he's the best tackle 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:08.920 in this draft though. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.400 You have to figure that one out in Indy. Yeah, 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.240 it's gonna be a pig one ran stepping on a 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:16.240 soapbox here. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.160 Yeah about the I agree with you about Burden, but 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.880 we need to stop overthinking Burden. There's some people that 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.160 are like a burden. I'm good. I'm good off Luther Burden. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.000 I'm completely not. This is a hell of a place. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:28.520 He looks. 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.400 Oh, you're saying people are off him? Yeah? 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:30.679 People. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.600 I love the question around. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.559 To stop overthinking Luthor Burden as a draft community as 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.000 a whole, we need to stop overthinking Luthor Burton. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.560 Quick acting like you can influence people. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:41.920 I'm just saying. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.880 I'm just saying a lot of people, at least in 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.199 Cowboys circles, are saying it's ceede Lamb. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.559 I would love to have to Lambs. He's not like great, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:50.120 He's not. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.280 But in terms of where you would play him, he's 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.719 a slack guy and can bump outside if you want 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.320 him to. He can play that ax if you want. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.839 But there's that back and forth versatility. Then you got 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:01.920 to you guys that can do that are okay with it? 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.480 Can you mind me taking a minute here? Can you please? 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.360 Guys tell me about what you think about the kid 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.000 Williams of Wider Seer from TCU. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.880 So he's he's a guy that's shown a lot of versatility. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.440 Williams shown a lot of versatility out of TCU. I 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.320 got really good people over at TCU that that that 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.600 feed me the goods. There there are concerns about how 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.760 he can pick up an offensive system. Okay, so I 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.160 think that's certainly something to keep an eye on moving forward. Now, 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.120 that's something that could get figured out in a formal 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.560 interview with the combine. That's what that's there for. You 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.120 talk to the player, you put him on the board, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.720 see what he can do with x's and o's. But 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.640 I think most of his versatility out of the backfield 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.240 was a product of just getting the ball in his 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.720 hands without him having a thing about it. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.280 But it worked, It works great, it works. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.240 Great, You're one hundred percent right. But I think I 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.920 think you hit a certain point in the NFL where 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.360 you have to be multi dimensional and if only if 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.760 all you can do is just quick stuff or out 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.880 of the backfield, then you're limiting your potential. Because we 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.720 know he's got crazy potential and if he could put 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.000 together how to process an NFL offense, which is still possible. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.160 I mean, look at Cavonte Turpin, he started to really 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.000 find his own an NFL offense. He had the same 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.760 concerns early on. Save William Williams could do the same. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.480 We be talking about him as the first rounder. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.320 In my opinion, who has two receptions a game. That's 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:12.640 exactly what we're looking forward. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.440 Let me say this after wide receiver, right. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.320 I'm with you, one hundred and forty pounds. 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.560 I agree, But this got six for five, so that's 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:19.160 exactly different. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:20.120 Go ahead, I agree. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.560 But my smallest, smallest pushback, right, AJ Brown only runs 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:25.200 like five routes. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:26.640 Is what it looks like. You know what I mean? 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.720 That dude runs slantsy catch bubbles. He runs and it 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.480 looks like they just draw lines with him. Hey, yeah, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.680 AJ run this willthorit and just go to be great. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:38.320 If you put routtree on Williams TCU, if you if 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.480 you if you put routree on him, yeah, he'll probably 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.280 you know, fall off a little bit, or just do 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.680 the dance thing. Put him on the coaching side, but 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.080 just find a way finally to get that dude the ball. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:48.520 And I've been tellingim, Brent, what the hell do we 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.280 have coaches for? 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:50.800 Right? If you look at this. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.560 Guy and say, hey, let's give this dude the rout tree, 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.480