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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, bring it on, bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Swim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc So apparently, as we've just learned, breaking news

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Speaker 1: There's the final score and then there was a final

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Speaker 1: score to settle. According to DJ Humphreys on behalf of

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Speaker 1: teammate Justin Pugh Boom, what would that be all about?

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Speaker 1: Danny Serek, Darren Urban yours Truley Pauly podcast. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, it sort of makes sense because as the

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Speaker 1: sideline pencil neck who goes up and down that sideline,

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Speaker 1: there was one vocal, snarky, heckling fan who wouldn't shut

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Speaker 1: up the entirety of their game until Byron Murphy shut

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Speaker 1: him up with a fifty nine yard fumble return for score.

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Speaker 1: And then Justin Pugh went over for his own little

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Speaker 1: punctuation and rub it in a little bit, buddy. At

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Speaker 1: least that was according to DJ Humphreys, Danny, that's what

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Speaker 1: we found out. Yeah, the press conference that Humphreys had

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Speaker 1: this week, he talked about how everyone was going one

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Speaker 1: way towards Byron Murphy to celebrate, and Justin Pugh ram

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Speaker 1: passed him the other way and he's thinking, where are

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Speaker 1: you going? And then he realized Hugh was going to

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Speaker 1: basically shut up that heckler and he's like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense, that makes sense. And when it was

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Speaker 1: asked to Humphries, can you let us know what Justin

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Speaker 1: Pugh said of the fan, he said, yeah, you guys

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Speaker 1: podcast as well. Although I can't confirm. The guy was

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Speaker 1: and most of it was about what Max Crosby and

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones we're going to do, we're doing eventually would

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Speaker 1: inflict upon the Cardinals offensive line, which I don't know

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Speaker 1: ran fifty nine plays in the second half and overtime.

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Speaker 1: So that guy got shut up in more ways than one. Again,

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Speaker 1: as DJ said, when somebody was asking about how he

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Speaker 1: did against Chandler Jones, he goes, ultimately, it didn't really

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Speaker 1: matter because the ultimate trump card is whatever it says

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Speaker 1: day and the Raiders had won the game, that's what

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Speaker 1: Chandler should have done to him, And certainly it was

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Speaker 1: vice versa. And look, there is no better feeling then, too,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, as a player than to go over and

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Speaker 1: down there obviously all the time, Paul, but you know

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Speaker 1: I've been down especially in Seattle a couple of times

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Speaker 1: getting sucked out. That's a very satisfying feeling for somebody

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Speaker 1: NFL films caught it him just yelling all the Browns

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Speaker 1: Can I say that the Raider fan actually hit Kyler

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Speaker 1: and I, yes, yes, Paul, you had fans Pauli's posse.

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Speaker 1: That's what they have been dubbed don't have enough bleeps.

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Speaker 1: It happened, humble Paul. No, by the way, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: So that's what you call a vertical tease in the

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Speaker 1: in the business, I believe. But there they were snatching. Believe.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Danny is the word possibly saving

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Speaker 1: I just had to take over, not just physically, but mentally.

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Speaker 1: They were unable to really regroup from those losses, and

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Speaker 1: that I think that was crucial because they can talk

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, he's got to do. I mean, they've got

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Speaker 1: Kylin Murray. There was a there was a tweet by

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Speaker 1: debut buyer receiver, like in franchise history or something crazy.

430
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Speaker 1: So to be able to shut him down, I think

431
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: bodes well for this team, for this defense, for that

432
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: secondary and while all players are different, and Cooper Cup

433
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: has a different skill set. You hope that you can

434
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,479
Speaker 1: carry that into this week going up against the receiver

435
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: who had that triple crown last year, Cooper Cup. We'll

436
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: get to him in a little bit. We'll get to

437
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: the rams. What else about the Cardinals defense did we

438
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: like out there? Definitely like seeing you know what what

439
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 1: ninety nine was to the Cardinals D line? How about

440
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: Justin Pu was to the Cardinals oh line? Right, It

441
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: just solidified both sides of the line and Justin Pu

442
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: out there with DJ Humphrey's against Chandler Jones. For the

443
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: most part, they did flip sides a few times here

444
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Speaker 1: and there. But here's my story from the sutherline. You're

445
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: ready for this, do you guys remember when DJ Humphreys

446
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: went to the sideline with that momentarily momentarily that that

447
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: knee injury. We're just right, okay. So he comes off

448
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: the fields one though he did. Here's a big reason why.

449
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: A trusted source tells me that when he was down

450
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Speaker 1: on the field for a moment or two and the

451
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: trainers came out, he got up and he started making

452
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: his way off the field, and Chandler yelled at the quarterback. Hey, Kyler,

453
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: you better hope he comes back. I was thinking the

454
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: same thing up in the press box. So Chandler voice

455
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Speaker 1: to what everyone was thinking, and DJ heard that, and

456
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: apparently it was none too happy, because he did it

457
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Speaker 1: to the sideline and he had him take a look

458
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: at it, and then he sort of I was right

459
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: behind him, and he waved off the trainers and he

460
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: ran right back in and played a great game. He

461
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: did play a great game. And you know what, I think.

462
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't have the film. I didn't break it down,

463
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Speaker 1: just what. I don't know how much you guys are

464
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: watching that matchup. I tried to watch it quite a bit.

465
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Speaker 1: But I think Cliff Kingsbury was sandbagging that anecdote in

466
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Speaker 1: the Medium midweek. I agree where he said. I texted

467
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones and I apologize in advance. They don't hold

468
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: it against me when I chip you every single play.

469
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he was saying he was sam banging Chandler,

470
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: because I saw Chandler's quotes and Chandler confirmed that that

471
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: was what Cliff said to him. But yeah, I thought

472
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Speaker 1: most of the time when I was paying attention, it

473
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Speaker 1: was hump one on one. And you know what, I

474
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: said this on the radio that morning. Look, you're paying

475
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Speaker 1: DJ Humphrey. He's like an elite left tackle. Hed better

476
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Speaker 1: be able to handle Chandler Jones one on one eighteen

477
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, and especially when you know, with all

478
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Speaker 1: due respect to Kelvin Beecham, if you've got to Max

479
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: Crosby on the other side, if I'm going to chip

480
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: one side, that's why I want to help, because Hump

481
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: should be able to be the guy the tandling things.

482
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: And I think he did, and I don't again, I'm

483
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Speaker 1: the same way. There was a lot of stuff going on.

484
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember Chandler Jones really affecting that game at all. No, No,

485
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: the one time I noticed him. The one time was

486
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: when Kyler ran around for the two point play and

487
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: he was one of the guys on that sideline because

488
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: he had dropped into coverage. Was one of the guys

489
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: dropped into coverage and Kyler made the B line for

490
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: the edge of the end zone and Chandler was trying

491
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: to get over there and he had no chance. Most

492
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Speaker 1: of the Raiders didn't. But I mean that's the one time,

493
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Speaker 1: and so I feel like the Cardinals came away. Now,

494
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: Max Crosby played pretty well, I see, dude, So once again,

495
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: the Raider fan after the game hit Kyler about his

496
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Speaker 1: off in his fifty five. Now, Max Crosby was the

497
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: guy who got a lot of chip blocks Darrell Williams

498
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: in particular. I mean, if Max Crosby got up Monday

499
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Speaker 1: mornings and started taking Daryl Williams name in vain because

500
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: his ribs were injured and he's doubled over and he

501
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: can't get out of bed, I would not be surprised

502
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: because Darryl Williams twenty four was just a wrecking ball.

503
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Speaker 1: A good game he did. He even like when he

504
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: plowed in on the one yard touchdown run and it

505
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: wasn't even close. He powered in. I mean some of

506
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Speaker 1: the guys in the Sudeline kind of looked at each

507
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Speaker 1: other like, Okay, here we go. He's a physical Yeah

508
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: it is, so we'll see and look, if you could

509
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: do one thing against the Rams, it's do what you

510
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: did in Week four a year ago. That would be

511
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Speaker 1: nice when you ran for over two hundred yards on

512
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Speaker 1: forty kerries and you blew out the Rams in their

513
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Speaker 1: home field. And James Connor and Chase Edmonds were a

514
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Speaker 1: dynamic duel. I think I think Darryl Williams played really well. Danny.

515
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Speaker 1: I thought Eno Benjamin played well. And this is where

516
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Speaker 1: you know, we kept joking about how many running backs

517
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Speaker 1: they have, but James Connor heard his ankle and they

518
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: didn't miss him. No offense to James Connor, but they

519
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: didn't because I feel like darry Williams fills that role

520
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: really well. I was thinking about that too. Of Home Man,

521
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: we were taught, I was the one talking about home

522
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: when you got to make space for all these players

523
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Speaker 1: come back off ir. I don't know that Jonathan Ward

524
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: and Darryl Williams are both on this roster, but it

525
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: seems that so far having all those running backs has

526
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: paid off for them and they've needed that absolutely. And

527
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Speaker 1: again I think I think with Connor's history, you have

528
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Speaker 1: to have that. And so somebody asking my mail back

529
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Speaker 1: this week, what's the plan this year for Keyante Ingram.

530
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, the plan is the unless there's a bunch

531
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Speaker 1: of injuries, he's gonna be inactive every game. That's what

532
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: the plan is gonna be. The plan is called Eno

533
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: Benjamin is rookie year plus right, he's gonna be around,

534
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: he's gonna be you know, valued, but he's not going

535
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: to be utilized correct very much. So Yeah, Darryl Williams

536
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: was impressive. There's no doubt. Zach Ertz got it in

537
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: gear ye right, so um, you know that's andy. They

538
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: actually dressed all four tight ends, right, Yes, but try

539
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: McBride only had one snap, one sense of snap and

540
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: and actually the other guys, Steven Anderson had the sex

541
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Speaker 1: second most tight end snaps, which doesn't shock me because

542
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Speaker 1: I feel like at this point, after Max Williams and

543
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: what he's been through, I'm thinking he's probably going to

544
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: be mostly a blocker and when you get down twenty

545
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: to nothing, you don't need a lot of blocking tight ends.

546
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: And looks Stephen Anderson's gone against the Raiders many times

547
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: his years with the Chargers, and you know, I know,

548
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: talking to him a little bit after the game that respect,

549
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: he has four Max Crosby and just the just the

550
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: motor alone on Max Crosby is just crazy. His ability

551
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: just to maintain that that sort of especially when you're

552
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: chasing around Kyler Murray, I mean for twenty one seconds.

553
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: The Justin Peu comment after the game was hilarious about

554
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: how we saw the Raiders. They look in their eyes

555
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: as they're chasing around for twenty one seconds. What DJ

556
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: Humprey said, he thought the play was over three times

557
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: and then he told Kyler after it was you ran

558
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: eighty yards. I ran about fifty and everyone needed a

559
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: break after that. But if you hit zoom out, you

560
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: know what I thought. We also saw in Kyler Murray

561
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: at least versus like a Derek Carr. You saw one

562
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: quarterback who was yet to reach his ceiling and another

563
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: quarterback who has most definitely hit his ceiling. And really

564
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: it's one or the other in the NFL right now,

565
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: right you either have I don't know Kirk Cousins or

566
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: you know Derek Carr or Ryan Tannehill, these quarterbacks who

567
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: have most definitely hit their ceiling or you're gonna take

568
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: you so far, or you have someone like a Kyler Murray,

569
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: a Twatanga Valoa after four or fourth quarter touchdown paths

570
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: and a half dozen that game, what's his upside? Ultimately?

571
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: Real quick? Major props for nailing that name. It just

572
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: you look at okay, which quarterback has upside? Still? Like

573
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers for example, why would they have

574
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: given up three first round picks for Trey Lance because

575
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy g had hit his ceiling? Right, You're only going

576
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: so far, which is I don't know if that's the

577
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: best example right now, Paul. They screwed it up. I mean,

578
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: they screwed it up. It's it's it's a pending disaster

579
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: by the forty nine ers. Are you kidding? That worked

580
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: out really well now the Cardinals perspective, Absolutely no. But

581
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you're the forty nine ers, the

582
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: best thing that they did was keep that guy, because

583
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: now that if Trey Lance had gotten hurt, who is there?

584
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Who would their quarterback of Ben brock Purty. I'm not

585
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: talking about keeping Jimmy Gee. I'm saying about mortgaging the

586
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: future for Trey Lance in the three first round picks.

587
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the guy, but I'm not

588
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: going to completely say I know that for a fact.

589
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Yet you seem like you already know that. No. Well,

590
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: I once again, why did the Niners feel compelled to

591
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: make that trade? Why did the Rams feel compelled to

592
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: go after Matthew Stafford. I think it all comes back

593
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: to the fact that the Cardinals had Kyler Murray, and

594
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: those teams were looking into the future. They had zoom

595
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: out and they said at the time, Seahawks have Russell Wilson,

596
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Cardinals have Kyler Murray, we have Jared Goff and Jimmy

597
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: Gee to somewhat limited quarterbacks, though Russell Wilson started to

598
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: look like he's hit his ceiling too, yes, indeed, or

599
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: at least headed downhill. So now as for the week

600
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: one quarterback of the defense, Isaiah Simmons, how about the

601
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: comments from Cliff Kingsbury when he was asked what was

602
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: it again? Danny asked about whether it might be whip

603
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: lash right, Zaiah Simmons, That was the question of Isaiah

604
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Simmons was told, I guess going into this game against

605
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: the Raiders, his role was going to be diminished. He

606
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: only played fifteen snaps. He wasn't calling the defense, it

607
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: was David Collins. And the fact that despite knowing that,

608
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: according to Kingsbury, Isaiah still had a great week of practice,

609
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: still went out there, did his job and had made

610
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: the game winning play to punk that ball out from

611
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Hunter Renfro one overtime that Buyer Murphy ended up scooping

612
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: up and taking in the house yep. And somebody asked

613
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: in the media end of press conference early in the

614
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: week to Kingsbury of if the coaching staff worries about

615
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: giving Simmons whiplash by having him over the years changing

616
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: positions and then having him call the defense and have

617
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: all these snaps and playing playing the whole game to

618
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: then not calling the defense and only playing fifteen snaps.

619
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Speaker 1: And Kingsbury was like, well, I think maybe more like

620
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: he's given us whiplash. Basically, he can be as good

621
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Speaker 1: as he wants to be a very high ceiling for him.

622
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: It was a really I thought, a very important quote.

623
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Speaker 1: You know. Kingsbury said, you know he's given off the whiplash,

624
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: which of course he chuckled. He did, but that definitely

625
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: raises an eyebrow and he cut off the question. Yeah,

626
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: And Kingsbury end up saying he can be as good

627
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: as he wants. I'll say that he knows that, he knows.

628
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: That's how we feel about him. We've addressed it many times.

629
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a commitment to football all day, every

630
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: day and being the best possible player or you can be.

631
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: You see the flashes. I think if you can do

632
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: that consistently, day in and day out. The sky is

633
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 1: the limit. Now, that is substantive. I agree, and I

634
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: think we've seen we've seen more of that this year.

635
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's an accident that the two

636
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: people that it feels like Cliff has I'm not going

637
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: to stay called out because we asked him about the

638
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: other guy a little while ago, and he took offense

639
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: that we would say he called him out, although he

640
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of did. How about identified the two players he's

641
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: identified linebacker Isaiah Simmons in cornerback Marco Wilson, who this

642
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: happened in training camp when he said at one point,

643
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: you know that he needs to earn what he's got.

644
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: And I think ultimately this is a story about two

645
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: young players who walked in the door Isaiah as a

646
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: first round pick and Marco Wilson because of circumstances that

647
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: ended up getting starting jobs very young. And I it's

648
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: sure sounds like to me that as we've gone they

649
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: got to I don't want to They got comfortable knowing

650
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: that they had those roles and didn't want to necessarily

651
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: put in the work that would take to keep those roles.

652
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's been the message from the head coach. Yeah,

653
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: when he says, we've addressed it many times. It's a

654
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: commitment to football all day, every day. Quote end quote.

655
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: That's now you understand why he's citing it in the media.

656
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Now you understand perhaps why they made the move after

657
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: week one. It wasn't whiplash, it wasn't knee jerk. No,

658
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: this was in the making that he was on double

659
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: secret probation to some degree, and it was apparent from

660
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: the get go when he wasn't in the game, and

661
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: then you zoomed in with a camera from the sideline,

662
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: you could see the green dot on the helmet of

663
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: Zavian Collins, so we confirmed it as such. And then

664
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: the pattern throughout the game, at least until overtime, was

665
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: those third down and passing situations. Isaiah Simmons would go

666
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: in obvious and long third and passing. But you know,

667
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: I think it sends a message do your job or

668
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: you won't have a job. And ultimately, after you get

669
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: dominated in week one against Kansas City, I do think

670
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: a message needed to be sent and there needs to

671
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: be that level of accountability for everyone in the locker room,

672
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: just like a head coach has to hold the quarterback accountable,

673
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback, and apparently you're the story in week

674
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: one the New York Giants who are off to a

675
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: surprise two and oh start, And something apparently that resonated

676
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: more than anything so far in Giants camp was when

677
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: Brian Dable yelled at Daniel Jones on the sideline in

678
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: the first half of the first game and yelled at

679
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: him to the fact of you gotta be better. You

680
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: can't make that mistake. It's an obvious read X, Y,

681
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: and Z. You've got to do that. You've got to

682
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: make that happen, no excuses, and Dan and Jones took it.

683
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Henadi said yes, sir, and the whole sideline said, okay,

684
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: we're all on a level playing field. Everyone's gonna be

685
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: held accountable, even the number eight pick overall, Isaiah Simmons

686
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: is going to be held accountable. And we don't do

687
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: your job, and then they're going to find someone else

688
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: to do the job. And really, ultimately that's the only

689
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: way you motivate in pro sports. It's just job security.

690
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: None of the other RARA stuff is going to work.

691
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: So we'll see what sort of lasting impact that has,

692
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: because if it's just about commitment. That makes me feel

693
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: a lot better about Isaiah Simmons if it's just sort

694
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: of making sure that it's not some sort of fatal

695
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: flaw in his skill set or his game. It's just

696
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: maybe staying focused as a young guy, which apparently was

697
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: what Marco Wilson needed to do as well. Dial in

698
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, I think that's I agree

699
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: with you. I think that is important, especially for young players,

700
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: especially in the situations they were thrown into their rookie

701
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: seasons early on in their career. Darren, like you were

702
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: touching on and you're right, I don't think anybody is

703
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: necessarily untouchable. I think there are certain players where you

704
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: probably don't need to have the same sort of discipline

705
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: style with them, like someone like a JJ Watt or

706
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: Zach Hurtz or an Aj Green, right those long time veterans.

707
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: I think you approach that differently. But absolutely I think

708
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: not only two young layers team players that they are

709
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: in the future. The plan is to build this defense

710
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: around that. That's why you're using Marco Wilson and you're

711
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: you have Isaiah Simmons. That that's the goal is to

712
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: develop these players and have them be your cornerstones of

713
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: the defense. So absolutely, I think if there is a

714
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: concern at all about ego or cockiness or going in

715
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: feeling like you're already set and you don't have to

716
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: put in that work, absolutely you nip down the butt

717
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: early on, I think. And the other thing too is,

718
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't even know if that's

719
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: to have Cliff Kingsbury to say stuff publicly when he

720
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: doesn't really like to tells me that. Like you said, Paul,

721
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: this has been an ongoing thing and this might be

722
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: the last straw, Like Okay, We've talked about it internally,

723
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: and you know now I'm going to kind of put

724
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: it out there and add just another layer here because

725
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: we need to get this fixed. You know. That's that's

726
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: kind of how I react to it. And I don't

727
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: take that as a way of him being petty or

728
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah, I don't think that at all.

729
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Of him normally being private and him talking about no, no,

730
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: no, no no, I'm not saying you're flying that. I'm just

731
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: saying those listening. I don't see this as Kingsberry using

732
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: this as any sort of leverage. It's how he's talked

733
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: about Wilson or Simmons in that nature, like, I don't

734
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: see this as him being petty at all by talking

735
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: about this when he normally does. My point would be

736
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: when I say he's talking about when he normally doesn't,

737
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: My point is, And I'm just throwing numbers out there.

738
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: You've had this conversation with them ten times behind the scenes,

739
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: and it's not quite clicking. So now we're going to

740
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: raise it a little bit more of a level. And

741
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: when I'm asked about you for the fortieth time, I'm

742
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: gonna make the point. And now, for all we know,

743
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: it was just the way it turned. I mean, let's

744
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: face it, the question, are you afraid you're going to

745
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: give this player whiplash? As a coach? That might that

746
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: might irritate me a little bit if I feel like

747
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I've done everything I could to try and get this

748
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: guy to where he needs to be and it's still

749
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: not working. And now and now you're going to put

750
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: out there for public consumption that it's still on me

751
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to make this work. And I can

752
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: understand why you'd kind of react to a certain way, right,

753
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: not that you were implying that at all people to

754
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: hear that and say, oh, Kingsbury's going out of his

755
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: way to talk trash about his players when that's not

756
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: the case. Whatsoell. But I mean coaches are people too,

757
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: and I understand this and that and the other thing,

758
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: but the reality is, and I've covered this for more

759
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: than twenty years, eventually, if there's you know, if two

760
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: sides aren't quite seeing eyed eye for whatever reason, the

761
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: players are only going to you know, it reminds me

762
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: of the injury stuff, when the coaches never want to

763
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: say anything about the injuries. And after a while, the player,

764
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: who if he starts looking super bad in public because

765
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: the coach wants to call him week to week and

766
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: day to day for like six straight weeks when he

767
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: knows he was never going to come back, but he

768
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: wants to try and hide it from the team, Well

769
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: that makes the player look bad. And eventually the player

770
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: starts to get a little irritated and he'll pull you

771
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: aside and say look, and this feels like the other

772
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: way around, which is a little bit, which is just like, look,

773
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: we're we're going to talk that you're this really good

774
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: player and everything. We're not going to put the dirty

775
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: laundry out there. But eventually you know you're you're gonna

776
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: have to be the one that you know, kind of

777
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: deals with this a little bit more than just me

778
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: saying he's coming, he's coming, he's coming. Well, think about it.

779
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: If if I'm Cliff Kingsbury, let's role play for a minute, Okay,

780
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: And if there's one person I'll never be a little

781
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: taller than I'll never be, We'll be Cliff Kingsbury. But

782
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: if I'm the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals and

783
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: the game is seventeen nothing because Darren Waller just caught

784
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass on Zeke Turner when Isaiah Simmons, according

785
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: to Vance Joseph the week before, said we drafted him

786
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: to cover tight ends. Well, we can't play Isaiah Simmons

787
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: because or whatever reason, they can't trust him in coverage

788
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: or leverage or being in the right spot at the

789
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: right time and knowing his keys or whatever it is.

790
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. All I know is Zeke Turner's covering

791
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: a wall or Tanner Vallejo's covering Darren Waller, or Nick

792
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: vigil or Joe Walker is covering Tanner. Vallejo's the guy

793
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: who isn't even on the team anymore. And and so yeah,

794
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: if I'm clip Kingsbury, I'm at frustrated little bit. I

795
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: wonder what that What that was is that looking back

796
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: at week one of Simmons going up against Kelsey and

797
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: watching the film, thinking that Simmons wasn't prepared enough, I'm

798
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: wondering why if that's the case, why don't you give

799
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: him the chance to make up for that? On Darren Waller,

800
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: I think you answered. I think you answered your question

801
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: just by saying that. I think I think it would

802
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: be naive to think that this was all based on

803
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: week one. But you know what, enough people make comments

804
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: without naming Isaiah per Se that certain players didn't have

805
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: leverage correctly. So whereas you're supposed to have outside leverage

806
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: that would force the tight end inside where you have help,

807
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: that the leverage was to the inside, which allowed a

808
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: Kelsey to get outside and they're I become wide open

809
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: for yet another grab and route to over one hundred

810
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: yards receiving when all you had to do was line

811
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: up correctly and know your leverage and where your help

812
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: is behind you. And it's those little things in the

813
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: NFL that become big things that lose you games, and

814
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they finally just didn't have the capacity for

815
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: that anymore for the patients. And the thing is and

816
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: looking at this all big picture and the tweaks on

817
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: defense and what ended up happening. And here's the thing.

818
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: It's like when we got to halftime, and I was

819
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: joking about the tweet, but everybody's like, well, if Zeke

820
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: Turner is going to be out there giving up touchdowns

821
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: to Darren Waller anyways, and we're gonna be hind seventeen

822
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: nothing and twenty nothing. Just put Isaiah Simmons out there.

823
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: Let him learn this is what you tweeted up. No no, no,

824
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: no, no no no, this is what somebody people were tweeting,

825
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: which I understand that, I understand the concept that can't

826
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: argue it. But that's that's kind of where the Cardinals

827
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: are right now. They come back, So now what do

828
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: you do? Like, first of all, Vance is going to

829
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: talk Thursday, and all we're gonna hear is everything we

830
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: do is on a weekdweek basis, and it's going to

831
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: be based on a weekdweek basis and we'll see what happens.

832
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: But you know, do you stay with some of the

833
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: things that you feel like helped get you through the

834
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: second half. There, we did that include Isaiah Simmons. Does

835
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons now go back out against Tyler Higbee this week?

836
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: You know, this is a team that wants to desperately

837
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and most of their roster is built

838
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: that way. They have some young players they're counting on,

839
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: but they're built to make a push for the playoffs.

840
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: This is not a team that's saying we're two years away.

841
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: So in that case, it's tough to just say, like

842
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: you said, Paul, if you're not if you don't feel

843
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: comfortable with him out there and he isn't doing the

844
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: little things, they're not going to put him out there,

845
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: and you are going to see Tanner Vallejo or in

846
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: the case of how they started the other day, Tanner

847
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: Valajo was really in place of Nick Vigil and it

848
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: was Dennis Gardick playing the position that Isaiah Simmons was

849
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: playing the week before. Well, what's amazing too on Isaiah

850
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: Simmons is the biggest question that we had, or a

851
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: lot of us had, coming into his NFL career, is

852
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: I actually now the biggest non question canny hit. Is

853
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: he physical enough? We wondered that, right, how many times

854
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: a wolfs air is he gonna put his face in

855
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: the fan? David? Well, yeah he does. I mean that

856
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: hit on Hunter Renfro. Well, now Hunter Renfro is like

857
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: a buck sixty. But still, I mean, you know, he

858
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: delivered and he forced the fumble and he doesn't hesitate.

859
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: He will bring it with velocity and force. It's just

860
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: can you count on him? If you're Vans Joseph, And

861
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: you know what, it makes sense in hindsight looking at

862
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: the clips that we put out on Easy Cardinal social

863
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: media channels. We had so many great clips of that

864
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: play in celebrations and there was a shot I don't

865
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: know what post it was put on and you see

866
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons and you see his teammates coming up to

867
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: him and they're you know, hit him in the chest,

868
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: celebrating with him, and he's almost like stoic, like trying

869
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: to hold back his emotions. He looks very emotional. And now,

870
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: knowing what we know, I feel like of the week

871
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: he had in practice and being told what he was

872
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: told and playing fifteen snaps but still making that game

873
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: winning play. I think makes a lot of sense now

874
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: of why he seemed so emotional at least in that celebration. Well,

875
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: and I was the first one to get a chance

876
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: to talk to him after the game, and you know,

877
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: he said, I'm excited for the winning everything, but he

878
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: he's clearly disappointed. Yeah, I was standing behind you. I

879
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: think I got in just after you, And yeah, his

880
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: reaction was a little muted. He definitely was among those

881
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: guys who didn't lose his mind exactly. But in the

882
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: locker room, I keep thinking to myself and I'm glad Isaiah.

883
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: It was a cool redemption story. If you're you're Zaving Collins,

884
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: you're happy you won and you played every snap, So

885
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: he's got to be happy about that. But he could

886
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: have been that guy. He knocked that ball loose to

887
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: play before and I thought for sure the Cardinals were

888
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: going to fall out, and I don't know if they

889
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: weren't going to return it for a touchdown. But if

890
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: you give the ball back to Kyler Murray, I truly

891
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: believe the Cardinals go down and score. By the way,

892
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: there was a young reporter, were you still there when

893
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: he started asking some questions of Isaiah Simmons and he

894
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly doing it with a lot of a plum

895
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: if you will. He was sort of like I missed that,

896
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: he goes, So when did you know during the week

897
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: you were benched. I'm like, okay, you could have maybe

898
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: softening up a little, because right away Isaiah Simmons like, okay, dude,

899
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: what and you know? And so they he wasn't in

900
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: a great mood. Maybe it was actually anyway, So there

901
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: was that um speaking of not being in a great mood.

902
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: That's my segue to the stinking rams here they come.

903
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna talk about Danny. Does everybody realize

904
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm not in a bad mood? Do you have internet

905
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: with you? Do you have the internet yet? Give me

906
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: a couple hours, and hopefully you will not trust me.

907
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: If if I show up tomorrow and I still don't

908
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: have internet, you will be the first to know, Darren,

909
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: then we can talk about being in a bad mood.

910
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: That's true. So Danny, you're a you're on a time

911
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: clock here because you're in the dreaded window of between

912
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: what you know, you got that window or they give

913
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: you four hours, you have to be there the whole time.

914
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I know you guys are being FLEXI while recording this

915
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: a little early so I can get there on the

916
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: front end, which means, of course they're going to show

917
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: up ten minutes before it's scheduled. You know, they're supposed

918
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: to be here for you, Danny. We're here for you.

919
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: Thank you. Don't forget. Tell the cable guy just to

920
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: hold it. We're really well, yeah, whatever you're doing, I

921
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: thought it was Cox. It isn't the cock ye, but

922
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: I'm just doing Internet. Who has cable anymore? That's how

923
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: they get the Internet to your place is via cable

924
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: and then it's Wi Fi from there, right. I thought

925
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: you're okay. Anyway, I know Craig GREELEU has cable. We're

926
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: talking about that. Oh boy, oh boy, I probably could

927
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: cover your rent everything I spent with Oh is that

928
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: an offer? No, okay, I saw Greele. We also have

929
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: to pay car insurance for four people, including a twenty

930
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: year old, and it's a it hurts bad. Don't bring

931
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: that up. I've got a fifteen and a half year

932
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: old with a with a learner's permit right now, so

933
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm in total denial about what's happening to our car insurance.

934
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: And about her three months all right, so beyond ms

935
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: Greelu was me. It was spotted recently with a typewriter,

936
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: by the way that I'm just saying, let's see Aaron

937
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: Donald is coming in and Sean McVeigh. You realize Sean

938
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: McVay is ten and one all time against the Arizona Cardinals.

939
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: That's three different head coaches. You know, it's funny because

940
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: the Cardinals got that big win in LA last year

941
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, the streak is over, snapped an

942
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: eight game skid. You play him two more times. And

943
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean the game here was somewhat close. It wasn't

944
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: super close. I never felt like it was as close

945
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: as the final score. And obviously the playoff game was

946
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: plaoff games and in the off season. The head coach,

947
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, did attend Sean mcvay's wedding. He did so

948
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: as a double agent. If you talked to Cliff, he

949
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: tried to get guys like Aaron Donald and Cooper Cup

950
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: to retire. He worked the room at the reception. The

951
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: wedding reception said hey, you got a ring, now you

952
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: should just hang it up. Just called her career. Apparently

953
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: he was close because apparently Aaron Donald said he was

954
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: going to retire in the Rams didn't turn in the paperwork.

955
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: It's right, Cliff was instrumental and that not quite enough though,

956
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: because they came back for big money. By the way,

957
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: is anyone actually reported what Sean McVay is making after

958
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: he leveraged the whole Amazon and or Network TV gig

959
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: to get a new coaching contract. I honestly don't know,

960
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: but it must have been a ton of money when

961
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: you supposedly was going to get ten to twelve a

962
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: year just for TV. Yeah, but I mean, maybe I'm

963
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: not saying he's not making a ton of money. But

964
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm like, I don't think Sean

965
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: McVay is ready to walk away at this point, all right,

966
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: so TV will always be there. Paul, Yeah, No, that's true.

967
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: That's true. Of course. You know, you go to TV

968
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: and then your price goes up and you come back.

969
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, at least that's what he's probably thinking right about. Now. Anyway,

970
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: here comes the Rams. I think they've won six in

971
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: a row on Arizona soil. By the way, it could

972
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: be seven, it could be seven. I'm not exactly they're

973
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: like the rest of SoCal. They come into the ac

974
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: and they scoff at our housing prices, they buy up

975
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: all the real estate. They just move right in. You know. So,

976
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: And the words of Kyler post game, enough is enough.

977
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's got to stop. The whole losing streak

978
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: has to stop. This skid against the Rams has to stop.

979
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: But it's not so easy because here comes Aaron Donald.

980
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: And last year it was Week fourteen when he had

981
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: fourteen quarterback pressures in a single game. He basically had

982
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: a whole season's worth the quarterback pressures in a single game.

983
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: That dude is a wrecking ball. But you know when

984
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: the Cardinals won last year, LA in Week four Aaron

985
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: Donald didn't have a single sack, quarterback hit, or tackle

986
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: for loss. See, they shouldn't have made him mad. It

987
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: just made him mad for the remamber, That's what it did.

988
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: But if he does, But Danny, once again, you're right,

989
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: because they ran at forty times for two sixteen and

990
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: they went right at him. If you have the ability

991
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: to run the ball and come off the ball and

992
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: go straight at ninety nine, he's not the biggest dude.

993
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: DJ Humphreys always told us a funny story in the

994
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: Big Red Rags the first time he saw Aaron Donald, Ah,

995
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: this dude's tiny, I'm gonna smash him. And then they

996
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: snap the ball and he's like, oh, it's that motor

997
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: right He's like, wait a minute. So if you can

998
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: go right at him, if you have that ability, now

999
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: the question is how much more stout at right guard

1000
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: are you after right guard was a liability last year

1001
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: in large part because of injuries. But you went out

1002
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: and got Will Hernandez, the refrigerator, who you'd love to say,

1003
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: at the end of this game his nickname, You want

1004
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: Will Hernan's nickname at the end of the game to

1005
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: be the ninety nine neutralizer or something like that. I

1006
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: just know that he didn't move when J. J. Watt

1007
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: hit him in training camps. So now I think, look,

1008
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a fascinating thing. I think,

1009
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: hopefully Rodney Hudson, who played much better in week two

1010
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: than week one, you got Justin Pugh, which made a

1011
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: huge difference. At left guard, you got Will Hernandez, You've

1012
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: You've got a nice interior offensive line, and you're right.

1013
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: It's all going to come down to, can you continue

1014
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: to make Kyler comfortable. I thought Kyler looked really good

1015
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: in the pocket the second half. Now, funny how that happens.

1016
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: By the way, when you're confident in your past production,

1017
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: think of how much better you look in the pocket

1018
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: exactly now. It didn't hurt that the Raiders defense was

1019
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: getting tired, and it makes it tougher. But I agree

1020
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: with you. To me, that game in La that they

1021
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: won last year was all about being able to ride

1022
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds and James Conner and control things. Now they

1023
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: got a lead, which makes it a lot easier. And

1024
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: if they start this game like they've started the other

1025
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: two games, that's all gonna go right the hell out

1026
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: the window. So it's good you already have that edge,

1027
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: you're already getting towards game. Yeah, I can tell you

1028
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: got that Ram's edge about you right now, Darren, I

1029
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: can tell whether. So I'm still kind of irritated that

1030
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: Danny thinks because I have Cable, I'm a lesser human being.

1031
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: Letten say lesser, I think you're just don't say it, Okay,

1032
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm thinking. I know what you're thinking.

1033
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're thinking. We're just in different

1034
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: age demographics Darren, like Paul likes to point out. In fact,

1035
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, let's illustrate that right now. Would you do

1036
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: Saturday night in Vegas, Danny, Paul, isn't it time to

1037
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: wrap up? Interesting? Hey? I showed up early, high energy,

1038
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: ready to go on game day. I told Danny, as

1039
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: I told some other young people, said this all the

1040
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: way around. If you can't do the time, don't do

1041
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: the crime. If you can, it's all good. As long

1042
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: as you show up on game day, nothing else matters, right,

1043
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: I shut up there. I was ready to go good,

1044
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: and you went into Saturday night with good intentions. I'll

1045
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: give you that. I thought. I thought that counts that

1046
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: I was going to be into bed, tucked in early,

1047
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: get lots of sleep. Okay, Saturday evening turned into Saturday morning.

1048
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying Sunday morning? Yes, yes it did.

1049
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: But there are no clocks anywhere in Vegas, Paul. You

1050
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: notice he never brings up what him and Wolf were

1051
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: doing on the strip. So, yeah, you were out there

1052
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: were taken. They were taking every one of those business

1053
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: cards you get where you're walking on along the street. No, no,

1054
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: we did find a place to watch the fight, which

1055
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: was incredibly boring. By the way, Triple G. Somebody would

1056
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: have told me that Triple G was forty years old

1057
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: before the fight, I would have I would have known.

1058
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have shown up. Dude, dude, didn't have it.

1059
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I was going on. You know,

1060
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's all right. So you didn't get tickets,

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Speaker 1: that was right there, tickets. Couldn't you just gone and

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Speaker 1: gone to the T mobile arena and just bend there.

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Speaker 1: We're lucky to find a big screen. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: It's a It is an interesting town, though, is it

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Speaker 1: not the whole h I mean, you see a lot

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Speaker 1: of Phoenix thirty years ago in in Vegas, don't you?

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Speaker 1: In some ways? Don't you see, like you know, Phoenix

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Speaker 1: like twenty years ago as a desert city sort of

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Speaker 1: evolving a certain extent. I mean, it's tough to get

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Speaker 1: past the giant pyramid or the fake Eiffel Tower, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, dancing fountains. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: any of that in Phoenix. So okay, all right, there

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Speaker 1: we go. Danny. You've got an appointment to make, so

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Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, you'll be an actual citizen. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, how can you be in the

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Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty four demo and not have Wi Fi? Right?

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Speaker 1: I know ye're telling me, Paul. Okay, I gotta I

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Speaker 1: gotta stow. We had news break while we were on

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Speaker 1: the air that all Cardinals signed Devon Knard to the

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Speaker 1: active roster, So I gotta go right down. Well, that

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Speaker 1: was inevitable because you can only pull them up three

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Speaker 1: times during the year from the practice roud right, it

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Speaker 1: was inevitable. Okay, there you go. Full circle on Cardinals Underground,

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