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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer,

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Speaker 1: all mission controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Here's the thing. People define power

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Speaker 1: in all sorts of ways. For some money is power.

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Speaker 1: For others influence. Like while we're recording remotely during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: you've probably from Noel and Matt and myself heard noise

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Speaker 1: in the background that we we could not control. I've

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Speaker 1: got some people building a staircase behind my place right now,

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Speaker 1: and um, having watched the staircase being built from scratches

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Speaker 1: fun but it is loud. So if you hear any banging,

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Speaker 1: everything's okay. Uh. They're just try and build a staircase

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Speaker 1: and we don't have the power to stop them yet.

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Speaker 1: I choose to interpret building a staircase as a metaphor

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Speaker 1: of some kind, like you know, a attaining transcendence. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're building a staircase to to heaven, like and that

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Speaker 1: Led Zeppelin song. You know what a staircase is really

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Speaker 1: providing you guys? Access? Yes, yeah, For many people, power

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Speaker 1: takes the form of access. There's an excellent Reddit thread

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Speaker 1: where someone breaks down the difference in a day to

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Speaker 1: a certain point it entirely comes down to access. You

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Speaker 1: can just like if you are, you know, the the

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Speaker 1: extreme version would be Jeff Bay So this level, and

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Speaker 1: you want to talk to Bill Gates, you can just

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Speaker 1: then you'll have Bill on the phone. You're both billionaires.

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Speaker 1: You have that access. But regardless of how you define power,

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Speaker 1: society is to a large degree going to be defined

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Speaker 1: by who has access to what. And it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: whether we're talking resources, social contracts, or just where you

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Speaker 1: people's I'm I feel like it's safe to assume most

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Speaker 1: people's first experience with the idea of a restricted area

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Speaker 1: the one you personally remember on a on a microcosmic level,

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Speaker 1: have a distant memory of childhood? Uh, when you were

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what's behind there? Eventually found out,

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Speaker 1: you know, but then the Internet came along and it

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Speaker 1: thing that occurred to my childhood brain. Oh you know what,

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Speaker 1: my my grandmother, what's weird? Do you say this? And

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Speaker 1: I never this? Man, I'm having like flashback. My grandmother

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Speaker 1: had a room in her condo that I was not

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Speaker 1: blue Beard situation. Is this a true story? Oh? Oh man, Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll cut the part where you say, are you toying

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Speaker 1: with our emotions like this? Matt? So it is true, though,

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Speaker 1: I think for many people listening to the show today,

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Speaker 1: The truth is this, whether you are a president or

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Speaker 1: even a billionaire. In some cases, there are multiple places

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Speaker 1: on this planet that you will, for one reason or another,

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Speaker 1: what it's meant to do is protect and preserve cave paintings,

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Speaker 1: um that are that are found inside of this cave,

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Speaker 1: otherwise you just walk all over them. Right. I love museums.

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Speaker 1: as the museums, but the metal paints were okay, right right,

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Speaker 1: checking it out. Be careful if you do enter, because

425
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: it seems to shift a little bit while you're inside

426
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: and the whole new windows in, But you'll be fine. Um.

427
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I just gotta find some of those objects that are there.

428
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: They don't call him haunted. What do they call him

429
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: in there? Objects of power? And I can't remember. You'll

430
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: find out. Just go if you can. But no, North

431
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: Brother Island is an actual place. It's an actual island.

432
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: It's up there right near the Bronx. There's North Brother

433
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Island and South Brother Island and North Brother Island is

434
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: a no go, not allowed now. North Brother Island used

435
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: to be, once upon a time tremendously important to the

436
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: city of New York. It was a former quarantine hospital

437
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: for treatable diseases. That's right. And Ben, you you mentioned

438
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: off air a little trip that you and I took

439
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: along with Matt and Lauren Vogelbaum um where we were

440
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: barred from going to check the spot out because of

441
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: like a music video shoot of some kind. We were

442
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: going to Roosevelt Island to find a very similar abandoned structure,

443
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: and we walked a pretty long way to the south

444
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: end of the island, only to find that Kanye West

445
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: had decided to have an impromptu fashion show there. Oh

446
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: that's what it was. So our access was restricted because power.

447
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 1: He's got all that power? How so much power? Um? Oh?

448
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: But hey, the this is something you might like. No

449
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: on North Brother Island. Do you know what it is

450
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: right now? No? It's a bird sanctuary. What is up

451
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: with all the secret bird sanctuaries? And well it's a

452
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: good official reason, I guess, And look, birds should live.

453
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm not anti bird to that level.

454
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know that I would want to spend

455
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: time on a place where they were just running around

456
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: Willie Nelly, because that's what they do. Yeah, and you know,

457
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: city birds are like city people. They can be surprisingly

458
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: grow sometimes, you know what I mean? Those those are

459
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: some tough pigeons and seagulls. They did not come to

460
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: play with us. Uh. But yet those wildlife refugees, they're

461
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: a huge thing and they're in. This is interesting because

462
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: for some of the more conspiratorially minded, some of these

463
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: innocuous explanations bird sanctuary, etcetera. Etcetera. Uh, they might be

464
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: cover for less wholesome activities, but in general, well we've

465
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: just described for examples of good reasons you can't go

466
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: to certain places. And in each of the cases named

467
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: above you can see video footage of these places. Journalists

468
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: have been in, their filmmakers have been into, you know,

469
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: the vaults, the caves, the islands, you name it. The

470
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: thing is, there are other less wholesome restricted areas, and

471
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: probably more than you might imagine. What are we talking about.

472
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: We'll tell you afterword from our sponsor. Here's where it

473
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: gets crazy, quick recap. We love this topic. We've we've

474
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: talked about this in the past. Places like the former

475
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: HARP facilities right where they're experimenting officially experimenting with the

476
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: ion A sphere up there in Alaska. That the High

477
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Altitude Oral no Oral Oral Oral Research Facility with a PHU.

478
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: It's it's it's Hank Aaron's actual real patio. There were

479
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: there were there were a lot of counterfeit patios. Really quickly,

480
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: I just noticed something that's never occurred to me before.

481
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: HARP is just a RP with an H at the beginning. Okay,

482
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: so it's the Holy American Association of Retired Persons. Yes,

483
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: there are many directions that this rabbit hole could take us,

484
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: but surely it's not a coincidence, or it may be

485
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: absolutely totally is I was. I was talking to some

486
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: professor a while back who said something that really stuck

487
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: with me. And I won't give his name out, but

488
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about geopolitics and timing of things, domestic events

489
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: that occur, and he said, I always start off with

490
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: the assumption that coincidence in this sphere does not exist.

491
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: And all I ask is that someone proved me wrong.

492
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: It was like, and I've built my career on that. Wow, well, hey,

493
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: I'll prove myself wrong. You ready, guys, HARP actually stands

494
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: for high Frequency Active Auroral Research Program and I knew that,

495
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: and I got it wrong, of course. Wow, that is

496
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: so incredibly disrespectful to Hank. Aaron's patio is a sports legend.

497
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: It is actual, real patio. Yeah, yeah, well we phoned

498
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: that one in a little bit. But but you're right. Um.

499
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: The thing about that kind of experimental facility is that,

500
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: because of due to the nature of its secrecy, people

501
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: spread all sorts of rumors about what it's actually doing.

502
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: And that also happens with things we've covered in the past,

503
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: like closed cities in Russia and Asia and four time

504
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, Um. But then they're also there's also another thing,

505
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: an existential crisis that we talked about, like isolated communities

506
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: that risk extinction they're exposed to the modern world, like

507
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island. I think that's one that still captivates

508
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: everybody because no one really knows what the population is

509
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: up to, you know, or what their day to day

510
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: lives or their beliefs are like. But they're not thinking

511
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: about us while they are. They're thinking they do not

512
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: want us around. Yeah, but I think more so it's like, hey,

513
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: here's our life, this is what we're doing. Sure you

514
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: guys stay over there. Yeah. Yeah, And they occupy really

515
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: interesting space that we'll touch on later in this episode.

516
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: The thing is we've done episodes on all those and

517
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: of course the d m Z, which we could talk

518
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: about all day. Also a bird sanctuary by the way,

519
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: NOL but there are yeah sorry man, but that it's

520
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: an accidental bird sanctuary just because they're less likely to

521
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: hit all the land mines and humans aren't chasing them.

522
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: But it's true. Um, but the thing is there are many, many,

523
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: many more restricted areas and types of restricted areas, and

524
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: then get very strange. You'll often hear that places are

525
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: restricted for your safety, like North Brother Island. One of

526
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: the reasons people are not allowed to just visit it

527
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: willy nilly is that there are concerns that exploring the

528
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: structures there would be unsafe, you know, like the floor

529
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: might collapse, something might fall on you, or in the

530
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: case of Brazil's Illada Granda, you might be bitten by snakes.

531
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you are statistically certain to

532
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: be bitten by snakes unless you are straight wearing armor

533
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: when you go on this tiny island. This is the

534
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: stuff of nightmares for a lot of people. You walk

535
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: ten ft you are guaranteed to run into anywhere between. Well,

536
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: if you just stand then there will be anywhere between

537
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: one to five snakes in an immediate ten square foot

538
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: area of you know. Yeah, well some people want to

539
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: get there that you feel so strongly about this, I

540
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: mean they're like super venomous snakes. I think they've got

541
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: some of the most venomous snakes in the world on

542
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: that island. Golden Lance heads. Yeah, They're will literally disintegrate

543
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: human flesh. See, but it's the psychological urge. Met Some

544
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: people hear that and they say, well, I want to go.

545
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: And they're not even herpetologists, which are scientists that sunny snakes.

546
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: They're just people who are like, I can do it. Yeah, well,

547
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is what we need to do. Guys.

548
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: We need to have a reverse psychology campaign where it's

549
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: a tourism campaign. Come to Snake Island, We dare you,

550
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: and then anybody who will do it just weed them out.

551
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Guys called the herd. Sorry, oh man, you truly a

552
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: monster map. We got a big herd though. I see

553
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: your point. But there are also other sites that restricted,

554
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: ostensibly for safety, nuclear disaster sites, military exclusion zones, and

555
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: then areas of the world vaguely classified as no go areas. Right.

556
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: For example, Fukushima is the site we probably most recently

557
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: associated with the nuclear disaster area. Uh and it makes

558
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: perfect sense. You know you don't want to go there,

559
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: definitely hashtag two ston. Visitors who spend too much time

560
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: there can definitely be exposed to damaging amounts of radiation

561
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: over time. Some of these sites are reopen to the

562
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: public in fact been some of these become nature preserves

563
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: as well, if I'm not mistaken. Um. For example, there's

564
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: a lot of photos of the Chernobyl site to this day,

565
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: and I believe it's a Maybe it's not an official

566
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: wildlife reserve, but isn't it a pretty thriving um kind

567
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: of rich wildlife rich area has certainly been reclaimed. Yeah,

568
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, guys, because there's this ongoing debate in

569
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: Chernobyl specifically about to what extent flora and fauna were

570
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: affected by the contamination. And there are two big reasons

571
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: that this happens. First, it gives scientists the ability to

572
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: study the long tail effects of contamination on living organisms,

573
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: so they can see rates of mutation. As comic book

574
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: as it sounds, that really is true. Uh. And then

575
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: just to your point, just like the d m Z,

576
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: because there are fewer human beings running around, the populations

577
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: of large mammals are increasing, so yeah, it naturally becomes

578
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: wildlife preserve. Um Like in the case of the DMC.

579
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: One of the big rumors legends, the thing that we

580
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: all kind of fox molder want to believe is the

581
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: idea that there may be large apex predator feelines there

582
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: tigers unproven, unproven and probably honestly, they're probably not at

583
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: the DMC, just because that area of the world is

584
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: so heavily surveiled. But I wanted to be true, I

585
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: can imagine tiger bears emerging from Chernobyl. How cool would

586
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: that be? Right? All the strength of all the strength

587
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: of a bear and the cunning of a tiger. I

588
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I say that like tigers couldn't also clearly

589
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: whip the snot out of nine percent of human beings

590
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: one to one unarmed p VP. But but but the

591
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: other thing we should say is that you know, like

592
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: you said, no, overtime, these sites do become less contaminated. So,

593
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: for example, you can visit parts of Fukushima. The Fukushima

594
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Exclusion Zone is not the entirety of Fukushima, and residents

595
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: who had to evacuate UH due to the nuclear disaster

596
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: UH set many of them have been able to return

597
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: to their homes. So the nuclear disaster sites are legit,

598
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: and they they do slowly reopen a time. In a

599
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: lot of cases, they're not necessarily hiding anything after the

600
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: original disaster hits and the inevitable cover up fails, which

601
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: they always do. Then the world is aware of these

602
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: and experts visit, you know, to measure radiation, to see

603
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: the long term effects of contamination on the ecosystem. Why

604
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: can't people go there? You know, free world, right. If

605
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: I want to go risk contamination to see a tiger bear,

606
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: that's my life to live. Big government. But the main

607
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: issue really is kind of boring. It's liability. Imagine if

608
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: you're Ukraine and you're just allowing anybody to visit Chernobyl

609
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: even though it's not safe. Before the radiation has begun

610
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: to disappay or diminish, people are going to start coming

611
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: to you and saying, hey, I got cancer from hanging

612
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: out at Chernobyl and you let me. Oh yeah, you

613
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: could totally see something like that happening. That would make sense.

614
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: So another entry in this kind of category of of

615
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: forbidden places would be military exclusion zones BEN, which you

616
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: mentioned a little while ago. Um there this this again

617
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: makes sense. There's a lot of dangerous things that civilians

618
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: would not want to be exposed to, but also secrets

619
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: UM and so there are quite a lot of these

620
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: military restricted zones throughout the world. Some are temporary UM

621
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: and some are quite disturbingly permanent UM military installations. You've

622
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: got to have lots of clearances, you know, the drill.

623
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: If you've ever been to a military base, even you

624
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: gets like is visiting like a Hollywood movie studio. You

625
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: have to check in with the guy at the little

626
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: turnstile and you have to be on a list of

627
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: some kind. You have to show UM identification and then

628
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: be cleared and have like a contact that you're visiting,

629
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: and then they'll let you through UM. But you have

630
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: to go to the specific place that you're going. It's

631
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: not like you can just like roam around free. So

632
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of these facilities have attracted lots

633
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Speaker 1: of interest and speculation, like, for example, places like Area

634
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Speaker 1: fifty one, which was we know, there was a big

635
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Speaker 1: kind of mass visitation a very fifty one recently and

636
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: I think ended up being a little more underwhelming than

637
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: what the press would have had us believe. Isn't that right?

638
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's where you saw people doing the

639
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: very specific running meme with their arms back the Naruto run.

640
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah then arutto run. Uh. That that became kind of

641
00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: the a shared online meme slash stunt. I don't know,

642
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember how many people did actually show up

643
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: to Groom Lake or area fifty one on on that

644
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: particular day, um, but they were very ill informed in

645
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: doing so. The government is legally allowed to murder you.

646
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: If you go past the signs, they will give you

647
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: a warning, but if you keep going, they can shoot you.

648
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I think there were more, you know, I want to

649
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, but I think there were more

650
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: people at the newest Meme gathering, which was the now

651
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: infamous Battle of the Josh. Is you guys heard about that.

652
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: We talked about that, right, No, No, maybe maybe we didn't,

653
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: but we've discussed it, maybe off off Mike, but it

654
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: ended up being like a like a pool noodle fight

655
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: or something. May use those fun noodles or whatever they're called,

656
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: got some guide him Josh. So it's uh, which, thank you,

657
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Matt that that was such a gift that's set up.

658
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: So so, yeah, we have to have these collusion zones.

659
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: But then there are other places. Everything we mentioned is

660
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: is a place that is known, it's on a map somewhere,

661
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: it is officially acknowledged and allowed to exist. But there

662
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: are other places, quite a few of them, like black sites,

663
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: or like research stations in remote parts of the globe.

664
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: These can go decades with their existence or purpose never

665
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: being officially acknowledged. And the logic here is kind of sound.

666
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: It's much harder to find a place if you don't

667
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: know where it is, what it's built for, or whether

668
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: it really exists. Yeah, government's generally try and keep their

669
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: torture dungeons off limits to people or hidden, which is

670
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: what we know black sites can be used for. Not

671
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: always sure, but the you're right, You're right, they are

672
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: black sites or black boxes, you know, in terms of information,

673
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: we only learn about what goes on there, what laws

674
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: are being broken when it's a little too late to

675
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: save the people involved or the victims, you know, who

676
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: can be innocent. Right. Then we have this other thing

677
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: called no go areas. No go areas are going to

678
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: be familiar to everyone in in the audience today because

679
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: you've probably lived somewhere where there wasn't like a law

680
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: that said thou shalt not, you know, go north of

681
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: the Greenwich Avenue and fifty second or whatever. I'm just

682
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: making things up. I hope that's not a real neighborhood.

683
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: If it is, Sorry, guys, uh you've heard of no

684
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: go areas, maybe being described as the bad part of town,

685
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: the wrong side of the tracks. A no go areas

686
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: often the most general way to describe it is a

687
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: place that has restrictions, whether legal or informal, that prevent

688
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: outsiders from entering, and or, you know, fears that if

689
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: you visit there, you are not welcome, you are putting

690
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: your life at risk. And there's a ven diagram here.

691
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting. Like Sentinel, North Centinel Island is both

692
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: legally a protected area and then locally acknowledged as a

693
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: definite no go. Everybody living on the islands around North

694
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: Centinel Island, they all know, and none of them wants

695
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: to visit. They know the score. Uh, you know, decades

696
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: centuries before that unfortunate missionary visited on his well intentioned

697
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: but ill informed um mission. I was just thinking about

698
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: no go zones, and you guys know the I don't

699
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: even know what it is. It's not a switching station.

700
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: It's a huge train station area in kind of midtown

701
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: downtown Atlanta. Right there by is it to cab Avenue,

702
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: where it's just tons and tons of railroad tracks stretching

703
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: far out. I'm just thinking about how much of a

704
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: no go zone that is legally and uh, safety wise. Yeah, well,

705
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting there, Matt, that goes into hot

706
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: I still want to do a series called Invisible America

707
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: Underground America that goes in there. There is a group

708
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: of people, migratory population who uses those trains as their

709
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: primary mode of travel, and that they have I've talked

710
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: to some of those folks and they have stories about

711
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: how to get in and out of those places. Stuff

712
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: gets dicey, stuff gets harry. Um. But yeah, there are

713
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: no go zones, but I think we can get it.

714
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: I cannot officially, we cannot officially on this show say

715
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: it's easier to get into those places than you think.

716
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: We cannot officially say that, but I'm sure we have.

717
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if we have some fellow

718
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: listeners in the audience who have personal experience with this,

719
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: or maybe on some freight as we speak, if that's.

720
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: If that's the case, stay safe out there, boats, Uh,

721
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: don't let the bulls find you. And so you're right there.

722
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Your city has a bunch of no go areas, your

723
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: town has no go areas, and you'll often the thing

724
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: is in recent years, you'll you'll hear this phrase used

725
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: in a politically charged context. Uh. There were these persistent

726
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: rumors and claims that the government of France had at

727
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: some point quietly kind of admitted defeat in areas of

728
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: some cities, and they had told law enforcement and first responders, hey,

729
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: these places are now no go zones. They are for

730
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: the Muslim community only, and they function under Sharia law. Luckily,

731
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: that turned out to be more fear mongering and alarmism

732
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: islamophobia than anything else. But it might surprise for folks

733
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: in the audience to learn that these claims have been

734
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: made in other countries, including the US. There have been

735
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, uh, somewhat hyperbolic pundits going on air and

736
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: saying like, well, there's lah lah someonez was taken over.

737
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: In pretty much every case that turned out not to

738
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: be true. It turned out to be greatly exaggerated, luckily.

739
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: But the idea of no go zones defined as a

740
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: place where local authorities refused to enter, that is very

741
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: much true, and that occurs in places across the world,

742
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: from the border like parts of the Kenyan Somalia border

743
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: and favelas in Brazil, which are you know, very economically

744
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: deprived places where the functioning government is going to be

745
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: criminal in nature. But after we've seen this panopoly of

746
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: real life restricted places with a lot of truth to them,

747
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna we've got to pause for word from our

748
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: sponsor and go to one last interesting thing, something with

749
00:47:51,080 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: a twist. Stay tuned, and we have returned as promised.

750
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: It gets weirder. There are apparently some areas of the

751
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: world that are restricted not due to fears of religion,

752
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: not due to fears of you know, crime or nuclear contamination,

753
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: but instead these areas of the world are restricted due

754
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: to super natural concerns. That's right, folks who heard us correctly,

755
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: supernatural concerns. Sounds like the opening of a horror story.

756
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: But there are actually a few sites that appear to

757
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: restrict access due to get this, the presence of ghosts. Yeah. Yeah,

758
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: there's this place called Bungar Fort. I think that's how

759
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: you would say it. It's in India and you can

760
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: go there during regular let's say, business hours, you can

761
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: hang around, you can hang out there, but if you

762
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: want to go when it's dark, you have to secure

763
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: a government permit. And it's basically I don't know, for me,

764
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: it's to keep track of who's gonna die tonight. I'm

765
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: just joking. That's not what it is. I love it.

766
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: I love it. You wave your right to life when

767
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: you sign the permit. Uh yeah, maybe the permit it

768
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: considers you legally dead. You're allowed to answer well, and

769
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: they have something to recover whence once you you know,

770
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: become non corporeal on the site. Yeah, it's so interesting

771
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: because it is. The way it's phrased is specifically before

772
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: dawn or after sundown. And you know, at first blush,

773
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: this could be us. This could be a policy of

774
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: almost any common public park. Right. A lot of parks

775
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: have hours that are delineated, uh, in terms of the clock,

776
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: or they just simply say, you know, the park is

777
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: closed at sunset. But this place is different. It's pretty old.

778
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: It was built in fifteen seventy three. A famine struck

779
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: in seven eighty three. It has been uninhabited ever since,

780
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of local legends about the place.

781
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: Some nearby villages don't even bother making rooftops. Whoa what, Yeah,

782
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: there's this superstition or common belief we should call it

783
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: that the moment a rooftop is built on a house

784
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: that's too close to the fort, the roof will inexplicably collapse.

785
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: And normally this would just be a fun regional tall tale,

786
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: right like Mothman or something. But this is ancient. It's

787
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: been around for a while and the Government of India

788
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: went official with its warning. Really intense. Man. I'll tell

789
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: you what. This reminds me of something that some people

790
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: know about, but it is very regional. UM. I grew

791
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: up in a town called Augusta, Georgia, and um, not

792
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: terribly far from there, there's a place called Murphy Village

793
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: where a group um of individuals live that are referred

794
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: to themselves as Irish travelers. UM. Not exactly sure what

795
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: their exact background is, but they live in the compound um,

796
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: and they are sort of they do odd jobs. They'll

797
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: look like go on the road and you know, do

798
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: house painting jobs. And they're sort of a little bit

799
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: notorious for being kind of hucksters and trying to put

800
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: one over on people. And y'all you see often groups

801
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: of them, like at the local mall or like movie theater.

802
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: They have a certain look, they dress a certain way.

803
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: They have very large hair, very like seems like they're

804
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: from the eighties, kind of like stuck in time. Are

805
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: unstuck in time rather, but you are not Outsiders are

806
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: not permitted in in Murphy Village. Um. I've known some

807
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: friends that try to, you know, pop in. Just take

808
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: a look at the houses, uh, and they were chased

809
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: out very violently, um, with like gun guns and stuff.

810
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: But one thing that they do there is they build

811
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: houses and they live in trailers behind them for a

812
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: year or more, um, and they cover the windows and

813
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: tinfoil um. And and it's meant to exercise the evil

814
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: spirits of some kind um to keep them from you know,

815
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: inhabiting the house. So they build these houses and they

816
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: don't live in them for a year. They literally live

817
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: in like almost like a camp type situation out back,

818
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: and they have all these like special things they do, um,

819
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: ritualistic kind of things. And then they move into the

820
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: houses after that. This acceptable cleansing period has past interesting

821
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: temporarily supernaturally restricted areas well, I mean permanently restricted to us.

822
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: But exactly the houses there are are restricted for a

823
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: time for anybody to to enter. So you could argue

824
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: that what it has in common with Bangar forts is

825
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: the idea of architecturally based superstition. Um. But you get

826
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: to have a roof. If you get a roof, it

827
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: does come with a roof. Um. But what what I

828
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: was what I was getting out when I said the

829
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: Government of India, when official with these warnings, is that

830
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: there are signposts that have explicit instructions and if you

831
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: translate from the Hindi, it says the following. Entering the

832
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: borders of on Guard before sunrise and after sunset is

833
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: strictly prohibited. Legal action will be taken against anyone who

834
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: does not follow these instructions. Wait for it, be warned

835
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: before you step in the ghost town of India. That's

836
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: a little tantalizing for an official government warning. They know

837
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: what they're doing with that warning. Now you and me

838
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: and everybody else we have to go. Now, well, we

839
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: also can consider ourselves warned. They've done their due diligence

840
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: so well. Also, we don't none of us speak or

841
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: read Hindi, so we can always pull the dumb tourist thing,

842
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: which I am sure they love. Oh sorry, officer, I

843
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: didn't know. I couldn't do that nice, right, I think

844
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: that I think that was always a good observation. But

845
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Speaker 1: there's another place. This isn't the only place over in Italy.

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Speaker 1: Less than half a mile from Venice, there's a island

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Speaker 1: called the Poviglia Plague Island, and it also has a

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Speaker 1: you've probably seen something about this plague island. From seventeen

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Speaker 1: nine three to eighteen fourteen, it was used as what's

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Speaker 1: called a lazaretto, which is a plague quarantine station. This

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Speaker 1: was kind of similar to North Brother Island. But what

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Speaker 1: they were doing is they were taking people who were

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Speaker 1: sailing in to Venice, and because of fears of the plague,

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Speaker 1: they were taking them in and they were holding them

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Speaker 1: in a way that's similar to uh the mandatory two

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Speaker 1: heyday of COVID. It's a good i idea, but we

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Speaker 1: also have to consider the plague is a completely different

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Speaker 1: infection in comparison to COVID, and that meant that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who showed up at this lazaretto were

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Speaker 1: on their last legs. They were in late stages of

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Speaker 1: the plague when they set off. Yeah, it's estimated that

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Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty thousand infected individuals lived out their

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Speaker 1: final days uh and hours even there. So there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of rumor that about fifty of the soil there

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Speaker 1: consists of human remains. Um. This makes me think of

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Speaker 1: those uh like uh leper colonies a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: you know, over the years, there have been investigations at

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Speaker 1: this and other lazaretto's places where quarantine facilities essentially or areas,

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Speaker 1: and there were discoveries that there were mass graves in

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Speaker 1: many of these areas, and this one, at least at

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Speaker 1: the time of this recording we we're talking to you

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Speaker 1: right now, it is yet to be fully investigated. So

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Speaker 1: they haven't dug up a ton of the soil and

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Speaker 1: actually done him a lot of testing there to check

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Speaker 1: those rumors about human remains or to find graves, mass

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Speaker 1: graves or any kind of graves. But we did, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, Ben, paranormal shows love it, Um, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if Ghost Adventures has been there, the

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Speaker 1: one where they're like, hey, ghost, god, ghost, he's trying

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Speaker 1: a strong arm a ghost. You gotta sweet talk to

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Speaker 1: those sweet babies. You can't just yell at him. That's

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Speaker 1: not cool. Hey bro, Hey, come on bro, what I'm

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Speaker 1: right here, brom here, come at me, goes What was that?

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Speaker 1: What was that commercial? Yeah? That was this. That was

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Speaker 1: the sound of your toxic masculinity resonating through the space.

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Speaker 1: So the the thing is when it's important to here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it is considered the quote most haunted site in Italy,

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Speaker 1: but that that's by the true believers. But when we're

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Speaker 1: talking about investigations of other Lazarettos, we're talking about scientific investigations.

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Speaker 1: Archaeologists are are excavating these sites. It's not it's not

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Speaker 1: like a ghost hunter thing. But you know, if you

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Speaker 1: are the average tourist, citizen or curious explorer, entering this

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Speaker 1: island is absolutely forbidden ghosts or no. And here we

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Speaker 1: draw to a close. This is just scratching the surface.

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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists. Each of the genre of classified area

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Speaker 1: we've explored today could well be the subject of its

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Speaker 1: own episode in the future. And this brings us to

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Speaker 1: you what do you think, and what are, in your opinions,

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Speaker 1: some of the world's most dangerous sites, What are the

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Speaker 1: most obscure our authorities correct to restrict access to these areas,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps most importantly, what forbidden sites would you like

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Speaker 1: to visit? And why? Yeah? But sicularly, if you know

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Speaker 1: of something local to your area that we didn't mention

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Speaker 1: in this episode, we would love to hear about it

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Speaker 1: and in as much detail as possible. That would be fantastic,

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