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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Saren be really quiet because I saw like

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Speaker 2: two security guards earlier.

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Speaker 3: I dropped so many tools in the basement. I saw

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Speaker 3: for sure they'd hear him. But it was just you

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Speaker 3: turning every time.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah it was me. Maybe I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it was my reflection. I didn't see secret

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Speaker 2: that you. I got itror Cool, We go ahead record.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been surrounded by chaos and just want

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Speaker 2: to get away?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I've been to a family event.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So like I mean imagine, like maybe you're

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Speaker 2: sitting in an airport. Someone could be sitting in an

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Speaker 2: airport right now, Oh, totally packed in. Well, someone saves

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Speaker 2: six seats at the gate for family members. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: probably don't exist, you know. And then like and because

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Speaker 2: coffing with open mouths and water costs twelve dollars.

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Speaker 3: So you're like, oh god, I finished that place.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're in stop and go traffic on the freeway

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Speaker 2: and you're watching the driver in front of you litter

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Speaker 2: and there's like a storm approaching from the west, and

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Speaker 2: lanes like it's going to get them there anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm not a patient driver in holiday traffic.

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Speaker 2: No, maybe, no, you're not. Maybe you're looking at the

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Speaker 2: state of the world, kind of wanting to just opt

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Speaker 2: dreading each new weird development, wondering if there's a drone

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Speaker 2: above you or the constellation O'Bryan, feeling like rules only

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Speaker 2: apply to you and no one else. You ever feel

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Speaker 2: like that? Oh yeah, maybe you're sitting at your job,

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Speaker 2: watching the clock, listening to like inane conversations in the

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Speaker 2: longest of the year long, chasing arbitrary deadlines, letting calls

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Speaker 2: go to voicemail, marveling to yourself at each indignity about

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Speaker 2: that you'll do for a dollar maybe maybe anyway, So

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Speaker 2: maybe you want to get away. Maybe you want to

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Speaker 2: go somewhere that's just your own. You ever want that,

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Speaker 2: your own private Idaho, your own private island. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to be Richard Branson to get your own.

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Speaker 3: Thank God, you can be. You don't want to do,

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Speaker 3: not want to be rich just the Choppersess, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to look in the mirror and see that smarmy

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Speaker 2: Apparently he owns his private island, and I guess he

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Speaker 2: bought it as like a joke, like someone wanted millions

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Speaker 2: for it ages ago, and he lowballed an offer and

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Speaker 2: But like, yeah, he's so like Austin Powers. Anyway, Richard

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Speaker 2: Branson has an island. Did you know who else? Patty

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Speaker 2: Roy Bates. Oh yeah, he's a pirate radio empresario and

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Speaker 2: founder of the Nation of not Islam Sealandan p. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so he and his family they claimed an old British

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Speaker 2: naval fort located off the shore of England. I told

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Speaker 2: this German sea Land. Yeah, the Germans showed up amazing.

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Speaker 2: So I thought about Sea Land recently because you were

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Speaker 2: part of a show called Zakistan. Oh yeah, yeah. It's

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Speaker 2: about a micronation, or like micronations in general. I love

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Speaker 3: Totally. Ryan Murdock and Gabby Watson I talk all about

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Speaker 3: it and they go on to deep dive like they

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Speaker 3: go to micro con. It's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so fascinating to me, and like there was

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Speaker 2: a time when it was easy to go and claim

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Speaker 2: someone else's land is yours, and like create a country

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of years for ages, you.

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Speaker 2: Can't really do that anymore. You can buy you can

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Speaker 2: buy land in the US, but you don't own it completely.

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Speaker 2: It's on us soil exactly, I want my own soil,

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Speaker 2: for crying out.

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Speaker 3: We got to do, Marlon Brando, buy an island in

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Speaker 3: a place where you're like, people are like, we wish

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Speaker 3: we didn't sell them that island. It's too late.

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Speaker 2: Now we got the paperwork we could probably I don't

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Speaker 2: know this. The whole head orders is empty. And if

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Speaker 3: Johnny Depp has an island. See if I say, we

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Speaker 3: get close to him, get him to sign some paperwork

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Speaker 2: Not paying attention to But can we make it our own?

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Speaker 3: We're like you schmoothed an island out of Johnny Depp.

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Speaker 3: Everyone would love that.

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Speaker 2: I bet I go through and I lift up keyboards

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Speaker 2: and computers. Maybe someone's got like a bitcoin pass on.

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Speaker 3: The like we forgot about it.

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Speaker 2: I forgot okay, so let's do that. When we're done here.

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Speaker 2: There are some who pull off this. I want to

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Speaker 2: have my own land, sea lands one of them. So

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Speaker 2: for those who want to get away, those who crave

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Speaker 2: their own government pace structures, the blueprint sea land or seaaland.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't without drama, remember the Germans, Germans, and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't without crime. But you know what, the good

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Speaker 2: stuff never is. So I present to you, Zarin, it's

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Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, maybe just fakes them up. What do

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Speaker 3: they do with sue us?

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Speaker 2: Good point? Well, Zaren?

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Speaker 3: Oh hey, what's up, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 4: You know it's ridiculous, Oh girl, do I Okay, Sir

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Speaker 4: Hugh Beaver, So, Sir Beaver, he was the managing director

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Speaker 4: for Guinness Brewery. Okay, now this dude, Sir Beaver, he

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Speaker 4: So he asked his employer to help him compile all

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Speaker 4: That book was eventually called the Guinness Book of World Records.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all right, so, and now it's basically to

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Speaker 4: become like this compendium of stud be human tricks. But

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Speaker 4: originally it was supposed to bring peace to the pub?

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Speaker 2: Did it for a while?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't say, well, it just issued challenges. Probably. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is ridiculous, ridiculous. You know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: But please don't taking over an abandoned seafort and making

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Speaker 2: it your own country. Ooh, can I get how to

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Speaker 2: on this ridiculously awesome? Yeah? This is Ridiculous Crime A

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Speaker 2: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's

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Speaker 2: always ninety nine percent murder free and one ridiculous. Today,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about an absolute outrageous caper.

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Speaker 2: Comes to us from a listener. Dustin Pyle recommended this one.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about stealing an island, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about a rogue invented nation. So far

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Speaker 2: we're talking international intrigue. Okay, and it all begins with

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Speaker 3: How am I not involved in this story?

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Speaker 2: Well, zaren, I know you like pirates, yes, and I

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Speaker 2: love radio and I know you like radio. What do

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Speaker 2: you think about pirate radio? Are? Now you already know this,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to explain it to you again. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to a woman's plain please in a way.

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Speaker 3: It's like at last, so it crossed my legs.

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Speaker 2: Pirate radio stations are those that operate without a broadcast license.

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Speaker 2: You know that right, Well, now you do. Without a license,

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Speaker 2: stations have to camp out on unused frequencies and that's

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Speaker 2: called wave piracy. Yes, so in the UK, the piracy

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Speaker 2: fact that, up until the seventies a lot of these

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Speaker 3: Oh, so it was literal.

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Speaker 2: So they're on these marine platforms. What do I mean

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Speaker 2: by that? Well, let me tell you disused naval forts.

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Speaker 4: That's a thing, disused naval forts in the sea. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because sub platforms. Sure, okay, not really. During World War

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Speaker 4: Two the English built these things called Monsole forts, and

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Speaker 2: L L. So they build these things called monsole Forts.

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Speaker 2: They're in like the North Sea. When I say like

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Speaker 2: And there were ways to defend the Thames Estuary from

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Speaker 3: Wait, you're going to get into the Thames from the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in part of it. Okay, they could just

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Speaker 4: England just because quite how I pictured it.

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Speaker 3: But it's very effective, thank you, good good metaphor.

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Speaker 2: So these I'm just I like to paint visual pictures

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Speaker 2: and you did, girl, so a lot these monsole forts.

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Speaker 2: They look a lot like the at ats in Star Wars.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, all terrained armored transports.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the big mechanical robot dinosaurs.

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Speaker 2: So here in Oakland, we absolutely love to say that

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Speaker 2: the container cranes at the Port of Oakland, which are

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Speaker 3: Walkers, don't tell me that's not true.

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Speaker 2: People have been saying this for years. But one of

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Speaker 2: oh lord, he was able to ask George Lucas himself, no,

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Speaker 2: turns out the Oakland cranes had nothing to do. I'm

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Speaker 3: Is that true? That can't be true. He has said

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Speaker 3: that like Degoba is named after, but Diego Bay, he

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Speaker 3: I was aware. He has said that the cranes were an.

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Speaker 2: Inspiration because he has no respect for Oakland.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, that's why we're this amazing underdog city.

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Speaker 2: You know, people who know no town.

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Speaker 3: So uh.

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Speaker 2: He said that the ad Ads were inspired by this

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Speaker 2: millange of structures and contraptions. Milange, I put that in there. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's not a quote.

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Speaker 3: Didn't seem like very Lucas.

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Speaker 2: It's an amalgamation. So I think that Monsole forts uh

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Speaker 2: influenced the ad at design. That's where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 2: That when I looked at a picture there. So there

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Speaker 2: are two types of these forts. There are naval forts

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Speaker 2: and army forts, and they're both on water. But the

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Speaker 2: army forts are the ones that look like ad Ads,

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Speaker 2: not the naval ones just want to put that out there.

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Speaker 2: They're just like the army ones are like big boxes

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Speaker 3: Are these metal cement what are we talking metal?

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Speaker 2: A combination combob.

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Speaker 3: Do they look like it's more like say an oil

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Speaker 2: The naval forts look like a combination between oil refineries

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Speaker 2: and a Bond Villain base. And the army forts look

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Speaker 2: like at ads.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, there you go.

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Speaker 2: They at at ones. The army ones they kind of

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Speaker 2: look like they're like loping off through the waves in

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Speaker 2: the distance when you see pictures. The naval ones are substantial.

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Speaker 2: They are biggins. So they have these huge, massive towers

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Speaker 3: But knock John, that's the one that jumps out.

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Speaker 2: The towers are sixty feet tall twenty four feet in diameter,

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Speaker 3: Like submarine style, so humans into this silver too.

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Speaker 2: Like sardines. The four I want to tell you about

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Speaker 3: Ah ipswitch clams, yeah.

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Speaker 2: They're like, loosen your ties, guys. They operated off of

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Speaker 3: And so they hit the charts. Because so now we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And and the thing is they start getting all

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Speaker 2: there aren't many of them. Yeah, four four naval ones,

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's like literal piracy going on.

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Speaker 2: They have weaponry.

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Speaker 3: They have real weaponry. And now are they doing like gunfights?

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Speaker 3: Are like more like your clubs and sticks, a little.

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Speaker 2: Patty Roy Bates and his teenage son Michael, they're the

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Speaker 2: you write this down? How far away is rough Sands?

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Speaker 3: Four is four nautical miles. It's six six. I still

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Speaker 2: Six nautical miles. So that meant that that was in

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Speaker 2: They had they were using rough Sands as an outpost,

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Speaker 2: so they weren't broadcasting from there. These people it was

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, just like a supply station.

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Speaker 2: Roy and Michael they get there. They scale the metal

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Speaker 2: They take it by force. One of the Radio Caroline

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Speaker 2: because the pirate radio wars are heaten up, but they're

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Speaker 3: Are these like hippies?

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Speaker 2: They kind of think that maybe they're. Yeah, they're like

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Speaker 3: There's some long hairrison bergenstocks.

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Speaker 2: They're like, look, man, they lose their footing on the

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Speaker 3: But no, you're wearing some right now on my hands.

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Speaker 2: And so they get them to dry Land. Roy eventually

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Speaker 3: But also they're broadcasting twenty four hours. Do they have

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Speaker 2: It's the wife gotation. It's a family operation. Now, Radio Caroline.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to go quietly. They tried a bunch

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Speaker 2: other you know, like invaders tried to come up the ladder.

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Speaker 3: Hippie Sam Bellamy trying to not exactly.

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Speaker 2: The Bates clan just they were too hard boiled, and

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Speaker 3: Potato guns.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking when I read homemade projectiles,

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Speaker 2: Molotov cocktails, they got homemade projectiles. Baby, they got a dream.

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Speaker 2: And when we come back from this intrusive commercial break,

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Speaker 3: He is Aaron, Oh hey, I'm still here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, when we left off Patti Roy Bates and his.

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Speaker 3: Son Michael, Yeah, I'm taking notes.

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Speaker 2: They had hijacked a decommissioned naval outpost in the North Sea,

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Speaker 2: come back to that in a bit. First, I want

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Speaker 2: to tell you about an investment opportunity. No, I want

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Speaker 2: to tell you about Roy Bates, a real character. You

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Speaker 2: know I love characters, So Patti Roy Bates born August

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Speaker 2: He was the only one of five siblings to survive

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Speaker 2: past early childhood rough stuff, tough. He leaves home to

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Speaker 2: Good now, yep, he comes back. He's fifteen. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: that was really crazy fighting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, a lot of casualties.

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Speaker 2: So he comes back and he winds up fighting in

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Speaker 2: He does the whole tour. He was a prisoner of

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Speaker 2: but he was rescued from a firing squad by a

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Speaker 2: quote passing German officer. How does that work? That makes

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Speaker 2: no sense to me, Like why I would imagine that

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Speaker 2: be like line him up. I don't know. So maybe

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Speaker 2: the guy had a change of heart anyway.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he look cute.

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Speaker 2: It could be he was smoking hot. The soldiers like, oh,

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Speaker 2: save that one from this once again, smoking hot, too pretty,

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Speaker 2: you're so pretty talk. He was wounded multiple times and

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Speaker 2: he survived malaria, sandfly fever, and frostbite.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm starting to see why he was winning the

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Speaker 3: Pirate Wars. Yeah, like pirate radio that nothing.

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Speaker 2: Is it hard boiled? So after the war he goes

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Speaker 2: just general meats. And he also imports rubber from Malaysia.

437
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: So was he doing this like import export?

438
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: I think there are huge quotation marks around import exports.

439
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: He also ran a chain of butcher.

440
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: Shops, which we all know said cash business.

441
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: So in the early sixties he also fished for decorative seaweed.

442
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is. That he sold

443
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: to Floris in the US and Canada.

444
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: The decorative seaweed that we you'd love over here. You

445
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: know the other day I was going to get you

446
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: a Hey, it's Tuesday, here's some decorative seaweed to cheer

447
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: up your day. Yeah, couldn't find any because it was

448
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: sold out. That's how much we love it.

449
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: Well. So the other day I was like, I was

450
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: rollerblading in the park. And I say that because I

451
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: don't rollerblade, but I know someone who does and near

452
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: here he is, he's really close by right now. And

453
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: I saw you sitting at a park bench making a

454
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: wreath out of decorative seaweed, and you said you were

455
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: just gonna hang it on a stranger's door to brighten

456
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: their day.

457
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I do every couple of two weeks.

458
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: Is that why you're covered in glitter? Because you're putting

459
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: glitter on the on the wreath. When I saw you, glitter.

460
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: Is kind of like you know, my it's my mark.

461
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: It's how you know it's from me. You're like, you

462
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: shake something, a bunch of glitter comes out. You're like the.

463
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: Zeren dust. So decorative seaweed, the stuff you have may

464
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: have come from old stock.

465
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: Then how are you going to get into the decorative

466
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: seeded let alone? Like I mean, I can see you're

467
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: like into the decorative business, but like decorative seaweed. Like, fine,

468
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: you got some like driftwood, you got some nice stones,

469
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 3: You're you're gathering stuff. I get it, the focusing on

470
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: decorative seaweed.

471
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: The problem I have is that when I think of seaweed,

472
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 2: I think of two things. I think of sushi, the

473
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: nori on the out side, right, and then I think

474
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: of California kelp beds.

475
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, those like you can whip your little brother.

476
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: So and they smell terrible, oh the worst. So I

477
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on seaweed. Is it really a

478
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: it's a pretty pungent thing.

479
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you can eat it though that stuff the yeah,

480
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: if you just really like salty.

481
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: Really salt efficient. So we've gotten off track here, but

482
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: you have to admit that harvesting decorative seaweed is a

483
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: pretty amazing gig for if you want to just like

484
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: be a character. And I think I'm going to add

485
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: that to my list of things I tell people I do.

486
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: I also trade in whale teeth.

487
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: And so Patty Roy bates Roy as he went by

488
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: in the early say he starts radio Essex Natural Fight

489
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: it's a natural evolution, and that brings us up to

490
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: rough Sands. So I told you he took control of

491
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 2: the fort, he set up his broadcast equipment, and then

492
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: was like, but that's because according to the New York

493
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: Times and I quote, the Marine Broadcasting Act of nineteen

494
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: sixty seven made it illegal for pirate radios, even those

495
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: outside territorial waters, to employ British citizens. Mister Bates promptly

496
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: declared independence, probably hoping to circumvent the strictures of the Act.

497
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm in international waters.

498
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: Hm.

499
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: Too bad. So sad you can't get me.

500
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he jokes, glue, whatever your citizen's been doing

501
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: is it bounces off me and sticks to you.

502
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: That sounds like a you problem this whole we don't

503
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: want citizens. So Roy jokes with his wife Joan that

504
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: now that he was unable to really broadcast, she basically

505
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: has her own private island.

506
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

507
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: And so they go out to drinks with some pals

508
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: and they're telling their friends all about rough Sands. He's like, look,

509
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: I took over this fort. They're like, oh, Roy, you

510
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: not again. He's just like wearing a seaweed suit like

511
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: a gilly sea so he you know, he says, look,

512
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: I took it over and Joan was like, you know what,

513
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: it's a shame. It doesn't have a few palm trees,

514
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: a bit of sunshine in its own flag. That's a quote,

515
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: really yeah, but shimming shimmying her shoulders, it's a shame.

516
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: So one of the friends is like, hello, make it

517
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: an actual island.

518
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: Let's make it happen.

519
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: People, let's do this, and then they all high fived

520
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: and then skipped out into the street.

521
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: I have a sewing machine.

522
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: Roy goes right to his lawyers. Of course, a man

523
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: has lawyers. So for Jones's birthday, that's what I'm saying,

524
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: they're on retainer. He's like, all right, look, well no

525
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: it's not me this time, I have an island. They're like,

526
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: oh god, and then some of them have like dollar

527
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: signs in their eyes. Jones's birthday, September second, nineteen sixty seven,

528
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: Roy gives her a pretty stunning gift. He declared the

529
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: principality of Sea Land and was like, here's your island.

530
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: We are a country now, baby.

531
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: He comes up with a motto he Mary libertos Latin

532
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: from Latin four from the Sea Freedom.

533
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, out of the sea freedom.

534
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. He creates a flag. It's red, white and black.

535
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: There's a big triangle red at the top left corner.

536
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: I know there's a term for all the different parts

537
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: of the flag, but as you know, I play fast

538
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: and loose. There's a diagonal stripe of white across the center,

539
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: and then the rest is a black triangle on the

540
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: lower right. He made up a cool crest.

541
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: What's on the crest stuff? Stuff and things?

542
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

543
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: Cool.

544
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: It's like there's like a tower and animals. I don't

545
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: remember Latin. I looked at him a mass cold. Then

546
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: I just forgot about it. He had money, a Sealand dollar,

547
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: which is equal to one US dollar seabucks. He gives

548
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: his wife a title, Princess Joan.

549
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: Wait does that make him the prince?

550
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Prince Roy, Prince Roy Okay. And then they

551
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: pack up their kids, Prince Michael and Princess Penelope, and

552
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: they moved to Sealand like this long suffering family, Like,

553
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: load up the royal family, We're going to Seeland's.

554
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: Got a new bug in his bonnet.

555
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: So nineteen sixty seven, the UK military decides to destroy

556
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: the remaining towers, which were sitting in international waters, and

557
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: allegedly a crew on a Royal Navy tug boat called out,

558
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: you're next to the Royal family while they were built there.

559
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: In May of sixty eight, Royal Navy boat, a real

560
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: Royal Navy boat came with fifty feet of Sealand, and

561
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: apparently there are claims that they yelled obscenities at the

562
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: kids and that they made what's next, who thunk it?

563
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: And then they made obscene gestures at sixteen year old

564
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Princess Penelope, who yeah, so what is Prince Michael? He

565
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: sees this, He's like, not on my watch, and he

566
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: fires warning shots at the vessel.

567
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 5: Yes, And then there's also another version of the story

568
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 5: where they say that workers were servicing in nearby Bowie

569
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 5: and that Michael fired warning shots to quote, remind these

570
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: workers of Seland's territorial sovereignty.

571
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: You can do that.

572
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: I am a sovereign citizen. That am I being detained?

573
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: So roy and Michael their UK citizens, They yeah, they're

574
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: subjects of the Crown. They did later become citizens of Sealand,

575
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: but they never renounced their British citizenship and in general

576
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: they are concerned with you know, the well being of

577
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: the UK. They're there all the time firing a weapon.

578
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: Did Seland have free health care.

579
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: Like a you know, a needle and thread or.

580
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: Michael.

581
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: If Michael isn't the one who shot you, you can't

582
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: fire a weapon at the UK Royal Navy. It's illegal.

583
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: So they the two, Prince Roy and Prince Michael. They

584
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: get called into British court under the Firearms Act. The

585
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: judge decided that the court did not have jurisdiction and

586
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: sent Roy and Michael. Princess Roy and Michael on their way.

587
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: They're released. Now Sealand considers that its first quote de

588
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: facto recognition. So they're saying, well, since you know, the

589
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: court said they didn't have jurisdiction, they're saying, we're a

590
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: real place. And that is the year that Sealand begins

591
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: issuing its own official passports. Now, in the late sixties,

592
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: they were causing the Royal Navy a lot of headaches

593
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: because Cuba's on everyone's mind. The Brits are afraid they're

594
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: going to have the same kind of situation happening. Naval

595
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: officers they come up with.

596
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: The Brits are worried that the Soviet Union is going

597
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: to give nuclear weapons to the land.

598
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, put proper, get a little funky

599
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: over there.

600
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: They're going to go communists.

601
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know what they're they plan. They're like,

602
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: you know what, let's just bomb them.

603
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: You're serious.

604
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they come up with this plan, but then they

605
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: decide against it. Probably gonna lame idea. I mean, they

606
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: don't even have a radio station. So by the early

607
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: seventies there are fifty people living on Seaaland.

608
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: Was Michael getting busy?

609
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: No, a young lad. It's extended family bringing people over,

610
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: having children. That's what I thought, you pervert, It's just populating.

611
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: God not that way.

612
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, they're just recruiting in a busy fashion,

613
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: extended family, friends, random workers, that kind of stuff. Enter

614
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: Alexander Achenbach. That's a serious name, Yeah, Alexander Achenbach. He

615
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: was a diamond dealer and general businessman in quotation marks.

616
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: He deal diamonds and you're a general businessman that just

617
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: says it.

618
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: All right there, it's delicious. He approaches Roy with an idea.

619
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: I bet it was a great idea.

620
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: He said, hey, baby.

621
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: You just want to come they down by myself.

622
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: Hey, sugar, let's expand and develop. What does he mean

623
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: by that? I want to know he envisioned like Omlas,

624
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: like utopia. And I say that because I am sure

625
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: that he accounted for a neglected child in a basement.

626
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: Somewhere part of the plan.

627
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: If you don't know what I'm talking about, read the

628
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: Ursula Lagwin story the ones who walked away from Omelas,

629
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: and then ruminate on who is is our society's child

630
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: in the basement. That's just a little fun.

631
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 3: Homework for y'all.

632
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: Anyway, Alex saw a bustling island nation had a vision. Yeah,

633
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: profits yeah, he's a forward thinker. He wanted a casino.

634
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: Naturally first, I mean, hello, I was going to guess

635
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: that it's the.

636
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: First plant that flag. He wanted a public commons with

637
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: like foliage so plants stuff. Yeah, there are these places

638
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: where people can walk and things are green. What I

639
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: don't know. It's a new concept.

640
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: It's a commons. It's in an area that you share.

641
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: You could park your rump on the bench a park park.

642
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: He wanted a duty free shop because I guess he

643
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: wanted to sell. He wanted booze, perfume and watches. He

644
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: wanted infrastructure. He wanted like a post office.

645
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: He wanted a bank, he settled down Ben Franklin.

646
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 2: He wanted lodging, he wanted apartments like a boarding house.

647
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: Hotels, oh, hotels, okay.

648
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: And wanted he wanted dining. He wanted entertainment. Okay. Yeah,

649
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: he also wanted an oil refinery. Now the platform is big,

650
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: but it's not that big exactly. He's like a kid.

651
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what the kids are doing these days

652
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: with their online and the games in the in the

653
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: video games. But isn't there one where they build stuff

654
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: in like an alternate word Minecraft? Yeah, there it is.

655
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

656
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: He wanted to do Minecraft, I guess.

657
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where you build like virtual stuff.

658
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there's like roadblocks and stuff.

659
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm like, look, it's either Solitaire or Tetris.

660
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: That's where you're at. Yeah, how's your Miss pac Man

661
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: score doing?

662
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Or it's you know, Friends without the rue. So anyway,

663
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: he wants all this stuff and he's in his mind

664
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: building it out, and there's just no way this is possible.

665
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: But you know what, Prince Roy, he likes the cut

666
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: of this guy's jib, and so he names Achenbach. He

667
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: names him Foreign Minister of Sealand because he's a foreigner,

668
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: I guess. And then the two got to work to

669
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: drafting the Young Nations Constitution.

670
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: Oh, this is going to be a huge jig.

671
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: So Achenbach. He also wanted a lifetime appointment of prime Minister,

672
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: but Roy was like, you know, at chill out, cool out, dude,

673
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 2: let's just get this set up first, before you're getting

674
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 2: ahead of yourself.

675
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: Settled down, Cromwell.

676
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: Oh god. And so he becomes a citizen of Sealand

677
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: Achenbach does, and he tries to renounce his German citizenship,

678
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: but it doesn't work.

679
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: Like we won't let you go.

680
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just suddenly had a flash like what if

681
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: this is pronounced sealand sealand and I've been saying sealand No.

682
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: I think it could be either one, right, they could

683
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: be Sealand or sea Land.

684
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: We'll just say it seland ready.

685
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: Put the emphasis. He put the emphosis on a different salabo.

686
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: It totally changes how it sounds.

687
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: I just I've only been reading about it, and it's

688
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: just suddenly dawned on me.

689
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: You can say Zeland.

690
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, My apologies if I'm not saying it right

691
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: that I don't need a disclaimer on every episode. I

692
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: am so sorry I will not be pronouncing this correctly.

693
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: So Auchenbach, he becomes a citizen of Sealand Zealand and

694
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,479
Speaker 2: tries to renounce his German citizenship, but it doesn't work.

695
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 3: We've got you, You're German life.

696
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: The German court rules that quote the platform was not

697
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: part of the Earth's surface, that it was lacking in

698
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: community life, and that its minuscule territory did not constitute

699
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: a living space that was viable over the long term.

700
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: This is the most German decision ever. First of all,

701
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: it's not even attached to the surface of the US.

702
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: What are we doing here?

703
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 2: Like? No, big nope. Next, So Achenbach, he's displeased. He's

704
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: itching to get his plan in motion. There are room

705
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: is that maybe his plans weren't really on the up

706
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: and up.

707
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, diamond trader.

708
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he's a different kind of general businessman. He's

709
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: the kind of businessman that you like, Karen ok So.

710
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: He gets into an argument about money with Prince Roy.

711
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: Always the money. Achenbach, dead set on his plan. Didn't

712
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: want anyone, even a prince, to get in his way.

713
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: I have a quick picture it for you, Sarin. August

714
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight. The royal couple, Prince Roy and Princess Joan.

715
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: They're away from sealand sealand on a trip to the

716
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: mainland mainland. They're headed to Austria to meet up with

717
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: Achenbach to talk about the possible casino state business. Prince

718
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: Michael stayed home. He's out on the deck, probably sunning himself.

719
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: In the distance, he hears the sound of a helicopter.

720
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: He looks up to see one approaching sealand no one's

721
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: scheduled to arrive. Who's coming to this small island nation.

722
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: Is it a foreign dignitary, a celebrity looking for the

723
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: next exclusive altercation spot. Is it Alton John piloting his

724
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: own helicopter? Is it Harrison Ford? Doesn't he know how

725
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 2: to fly a helicopter or just a plane?

726
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: I don't know anything.

727
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: He pushes his earring as like an activation because the helicopter,

728
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: and then he gets a inspector gadget helicopter thing that

729
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: comes out of it. Is it a cracked local news

730
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: team for a traffic accident or a chase?

731
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 3: There's an investigative news team.

732
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: When we come back from this break, I'm gonna let

733
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: you know who it is on the way to sealand

734
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: cealant and why I.

735
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: Want you over here, pins and needles.

736
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: Okay, So before the break, we were with twenty five

737
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: year old Prince Michael as he ran around his sealand

738
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: sealand I'm just going to go with sealand from here on,

739
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm putting the flag in that right to you, it

740
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: all feels right. Actually, nothing feels right right now. He's

741
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: running around alone, dressed like Tom Cruise and risky business

742
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: with only a broadcloth dressed shirt tidy white. He's an

743
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: athletic sock.

744
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: Okay, as you like it? Now? Is he armed it? Also?

745
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: Do you have a rifle? And the tidy whities and.

746
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: The Actually he's probably wearing like a heavy fisherman's sweater, imagine,

747
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: and like durable action slacks, captain's hat, or like.

748
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: A little beanie I don't know, one of those iris.

749
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: Everyone just imagine what you what makes you happiest. I

750
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: just want everyone to be happy. So whatever he's wearing,

751
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: he's on the deck of Sea Land. He hears the

752
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: approaching copter. He's not taking any chances, so as you

753
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: were wondering, Yes, he grabs a rifle and he prepares

754
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: for whomever is arriving. I know, Prince Michael, because you

755
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: figure if it's like, if it's a friendly then you

756
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: can do like a oh military salute. Yeah, and if.

757
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: It's they're coming to a protected area.

758
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's thoughtful. So the copter hovers above and

759
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: three men repel down, two burly dutchmen and a guy

760
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: in a suit.

761
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: I was thinking it's gonna be British, says.

762
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: Now again with the clothing the man in the suit,

763
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's actually wearing a suit or

764
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: is he dressed in like that tactical casual look like

765
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: a governor visiting a disaster site.

766
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 3: Could you be wearing one of those sands, a belt, suits.

767
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: A jumpsuit. Yeah, who knows? He's got like, I don't know,

768
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: polo shirt, windbreaker look of overall general discomfort. So he

769
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: introduces himself. Hello, I am gearnot Poots.

770
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 3: WHOA okay?

771
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: Who in the h E double hockey sticks? Is gear

772
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: not Poots?

773
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: That's what I'm wondering over here.

774
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 2: Thank me, I'm glad, I asked gear Nott Poots he's

775
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: Ackenbox lawyer. He gingerly which Prince Michael and asks them

776
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: to put down the weapon. He also hands the Prince

777
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: a telegram which states that they have permission from Roy

778
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: himself to come to Sealand.

779
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy eight telegram. Okay, yeah, is.

780
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: The telegram legit? Yeah, no, of course not. I don't

781
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: think it's forged. They go inside and talk. Now Michael's

782
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: a little suspicious. He agrees to go inside and then

783
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: they head into one of the rooms, you know, in

784
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: the platform. Michael, being a polite member of the Sealand aristocracy,

785
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: he offers the gentleman whiskey, you.

786
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: Know, as his tradition on Sealand.

787
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: It's the ceremonial whiskey. They thank him, they accept it.

788
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: The whiskey ceremony is a very serious thing.

789
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: There are so many steps to seventeen steps.

790
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: Not a lot of people know this.

791
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: So they're probably stoked that it's not tea Yeah, because

792
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: you know, it's what's now.

793
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: They know they're not in the UK anymore, you don't, Yeah,

794
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: that's true.

795
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: So Michael heads over to this little bar in the

796
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: room starts to pour the three men. They tiptoe like

797
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: little cartoon kitty cats towards the door. They slip out,

798
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: and then they lock poor Prince Michael in the tower.

799
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: How do they lock him in from outside?

800
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: Well, no, they're like they're in the room with him.

801
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: He turns around to pour the booze. They sneak out

802
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: of the room, slam the door, lock it.

803
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: The door is usually locked from the inside.

804
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, okay, maybe that was like a

805
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: punishment room and they had a dead bowlt on the outside.

806
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: The blockaded the door in.

807
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: They probably like tied off the handle and like you know,

808
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: or stuck the Well, Michael's banging on the door fruitlessly,

809
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: ack and bock. He obviously knew that Roy wouldn't be

810
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: there when he sent that helicopter to sea Land because

811
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: he's supposed to be meeting with them in Austria.

812
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a straight up pirate gank move.

813
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he stands Prince Roy up for the meeting.

814
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: He ghosts him and so Prince Roy starts to get

815
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: worried that there's this setup. Sealand didn't have a phone

816
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: or a working ship to shore radio. Who Yeah, So

817
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: Prince Roy called fishing captains in the area and yeah,

818
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: he was to run over. He's like hey, and they're like, oh,

819
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: what's up. He's like, I'm in Austria. Listen, quick question.

820
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: Can you swing by and see if everything's cool? At Seland,

821
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: like it's pronounced Zealand, He's like, whatever, it's my island.

822
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: Can you go check on Prince Mikey and so one

823
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: of the captains like, you know, I actually saw something.

824
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: I saw a helicopter hovering over and then landing. Roy

825
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: loses it freaks out. So back at sealand Celand, the

826
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: three men, they have Prince Michael locked in the room.

827
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: He's in the tower. He's trying to grow his hair

828
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: out as fast as he can to scale down Rapunzel Stu.

829
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: He was in there for four days, oh damn. And

830
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: then they let him go. They flagged down a passing

831
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: fishing boat and they just threw them on there, like

832
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: off you go.

833
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: There are fifty other people on this platform.

834
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: Right, No, at this point I think it kind of dwindle, yeah,

835
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: but I think there may be some people anyway. The

836
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: boat heads back to port in Holland, the fishing boat

837
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: with its royal cargo. Once in Holland, Prince Michael meets

838
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: up with Prince Roy and the two of them hatch

839
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: a plan. Prince Roy is pals with a helicopter pilot.

840
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: Roy is pals with everybody. He's got a guy he

841
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: knows a guy. But it's not just any helicopter pilot.

842
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: It's a guy who used to work on James Bond movies. Yeah,

843
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: so he's he's a pro. They say, can you take

844
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: us back to Sealand on a submarine? And he's like,

845
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: got Roger Moore in a cage in the back of

846
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: the helicopter. Uh. So they intend to take back what's

847
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: theirs with the help of the pilot. In the middle

848
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: of the night, they take the doors off of the

849
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: helicopter for easy repelling, and they make their way to

850
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: sealand Sealand under cover of darkness.

851
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: Like yeah.

852
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: When they arrive, the two princes wait, is that where

853
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: the spin Doctor's song comes from? We may never know

854
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: because I'm not going to even bother to look up

855
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: the lyrics. The two Princes descend one two Princes? Can

856
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: I also let you know that Prince Michael a total

857
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: badass out for revenge. He's toting a sowd off shotgun

858
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: at this point around anymore.

859
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: It's amazing because I got a room cleaner.

860
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: The two guys slide down the ropes and they land

861
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: on top of one of the buildings on the platform,

862
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: all of Auchenbox German goons like he's got a bunch

863
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: of dudes there. Now they're running around on deck like

864
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: they're in like an eighties militarized action movie. I'm kind

865
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: of imagining Commando Shortzenegger, which has one of the best

866
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: movie lines. Is I quoted all the time after seeing

867
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: it as a child, and there's it's great to have

868
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: a little kid saying this.

869
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: Is it the one that you promised you could kill

870
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: me last?

871
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: No, it's cutting a little girl's neck is like cutting

872
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: warm butter.

873
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: That would as a child all the time.

874
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was real popular. So Prince Michael, he

875
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: jumps on the from the roof of the deck, he

876
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: jumps down to the platform. It's a pretty big jump. Now,

877
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: it's the kind of jump like if I did it,

878
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: my ankles would both shatter upon impact and blind the

879
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: goons in a shower of bone, flesh and blood. That's

880
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: why I would make like a really good and bad

881
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: soldier of fortune. Bad maneuvering skills, but good distractionary tactics.

882
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: And low pay.

883
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: I work for a load of no pay. Prince Michael

884
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: jumps off the roof without his ankles exploding, but the

885
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: sowd off does accidentally discharge when he jumps. This turns

886
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: out to be a good.

887
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: Thing though, shotgun hand on the pomp.

888
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: So no one gets shot. And it scared the poop

889
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: out of these goons. Like they hear a.

890
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: Shock that like this kid lands and.

891
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: It's like ah, they give up right away. They're like, oh,

892
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: we surrender.

893
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah wow. So losing to England and Americas earlier.

894
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: Look, you got got sixty six World Cup.

895
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, couple them up, wreck them.

896
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: Garnet Poots, I like saying it like that, like a

897
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: total jacket and gar not. Poots and his goons were

898
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: held hostage by the princes. The royal family soon releases

899
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: the henchmen, but they keep Poots and Poots. See, he's

900
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: also a sea Land citizens, sealands citizens. He is charged

901
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: in the court of sealand they have a judge. Yeah,

902
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: they basically I don't know. I think I think Prince

903
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: Roy is the judge. They basically have the same laws

904
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: as the UK, but they allow guns. How they've explained it,

905
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: They've explained it that way.

906
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: Bullets.

907
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they charged Poots with treason and he's detained

908
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: sealand he's sentenced to life on the platform. They're like,

909
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: you have offended, you have offended us. You have to

910
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: live here forever.

911
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: Now we're gonna nail your foot to the like just.

912
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: At the fort. He has to life at the fort.

913
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: To stay here with us forever until you.

914
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: You've offended us. Now you have to live here. I

915
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: don't know why he wasn't exiled anyway. The German embassy

916
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: asked the British for help to get his release, and

917
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 2: the Brits are like seedlands outside of our jurisdiction international waters.

918
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: So the Germans they send send a diplomat from London

919
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: to negotiate the release of Gernot puts Now. Because of

920
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: this diplomatic envoy, right Seland considers that another de facto

921
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: recognition by Germany. But Germany's like, that's not what this means.

922
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: This is in essence, it's a hostage negotiation. But okay,

923
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: go off.

924
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: So nope, you recognized us. I saw in your eyes.

925
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: Here's the great part, though, According to an article in

926
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: the Atlantic Wote, a Dutch foreign affairs officer offered a

927
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: suggestion for solving the problem. Is there any chance of

928
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: a British patrol vessel passing by the fort and somehow

929
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: knocking it into the sea. You know, problem solved. It

930
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of when my dad he wanted

931
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: to tear down an old shed on his property, but

932
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: the whole place was within a historical district and he

933
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: would need special permission. He was uninterested in attaining obtaining

934
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: special permission, so he quote unquote accidentally drove his seventies

935
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: Chevy suburban into the shed and demolished it himself in

936
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: like forty five seconds. It was an accident.

937
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 3: What good nature did.

938
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: That's what the Dutch wanted the Brits to do, just

939
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: kind of. I mean, I respect that line of thinking. Sure,

940
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: I'm glad they didn't go through with that, though, because

941
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: I've grown very fond of sealand don't know if you

942
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: can tell so in sealand prison, Poots is clean in

943
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: the bathrooms. He's on coffee duty. He has to make

944
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: the coffee. He only spends two months in prison there

945
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: and he negotiates his own release. He's a lawyer.

946
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: Imagine words.

947
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: He was fined seventy five thousand Deutsche marks, which was

948
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: around like thirty seven grand, and he's granted a pardon.

949
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: Just to buy his way out.

950
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: He bought his way out. When he's released, Prince Roy

951
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 2: tells reporters we're friends now, and Poots later gets hired

952
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: by the family to represent them when they filed charges

953
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: against some Dutch invaders. So that is the power of

954
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: restorative justice. Everybody things even out over time for the

955
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: nation of Sealand, but there were still little bumps in

956
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: the road. In nineteen eighty seven, the UK extended its

957
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: territorial waters from three nautical miles to twelve nautical miles. Oh,

958
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: thereby put Sealand within its limits. What does Sealand do?

959
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 2: In response, they you know, they don't take anybody's guff.

960
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: They extended their own territorial waters from three nautical miles

961
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: to twelve nautical miles. I see you, I raise you

962
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: now they're six off shore, which means that like they'reaging.

963
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: So they also started issuing a passport around this time.

964
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: They issued around three hundred passports. They personally vetted every

965
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: single one.

966
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: Did anyone use them for travel.

967
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. There were shady care I think

968
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: it was like a novelty thing. They have the coolest

969
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: website where you can go and buy titles like you

970
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: can become a baron or a baroness, and so they

971
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, I suppose people had it just kind of

972
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: to kick around with. But there were shady characters selling

973
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: knockoff sealand passports. When Gianni Versace's murderer, Andrew Kunanan, when

974
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: he was on the run, he broke into a house

975
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: boat and took his own life. So that's a fact,

976
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: a historical fact. The owner of the boat was a

977
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: German Man who held a Sealand passport and allegedly had

978
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 2: a car with sealand Diplomatic plates.

979
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: Now that character.

980
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 2: Sealand the contacts. So the FBI contacts Sealand and they're like,

981
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: how is this all connected? And they said, I have

982
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: no idea what you're talking about. Everything was forged. So

983
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: that's when they start finding out there are all these

984
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: like fake seaaland diplomatic materials out there. There were Moroccan

985
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: hash smugglers and Russian armstealers who had fake Sealand passports

986
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: I see.

987
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: Your pirate war and I raised you at a Moroccan

988
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: hashed smuggler.

989
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: There were over four thousand phony passports sold at one

990
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: thousand pounds each to Hong Kong citizens before Britain seated

991
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: control of the territory to China in July ninety seven. Yes, wow,

992
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: so sealand in ninety seven stops issuing passports after this

993
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: fraud is revealed, and then and the hold was made

994
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: permanent after nine to eleven.

995
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 3: What did nine eleven have to do?

996
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 5: Well?

997
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: After the towers fell. A lot of things changed.

998
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 3: There after the towers.

999
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they still get thousands of passport applications. They

1000
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: got thousands in twenty seventeen, after the UK voted yes

1001
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: on Brexit and Trump won the presidency, they had like

1002
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: American Yeah. So it's just like people are looking for

1003
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: a for a paradise. In the early aughts, it was

1004
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: going to become a server farm, but they didn't have

1005
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: the electrical or cooling capacity.

1006
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: I was imagining let's say, like solar or some kind

1007
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: of geo water out there.

1008
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. In two thousand and seven, they announced that

1009
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: they were looking for a buyer with an asking price

1010
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: of around nine hundred and seventy seven million dollars.

1011
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: Excuse me, I can buy like a couple of sports teams,

1012
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: or I can buy sealand take your choice.

1013
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: It was reported that they were in talks with the

1014
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: website pirate Bay. Okay, but the company was only able

1015
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: to raise twenty thousand dollars.

1016
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 3: So sales, our marketing budget's a little tighty.

1017
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: They're like, look, we can barter these people down.

1018
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 3: Do you take NFTs?

1019
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: Oh? Hold on. So in twenty ten, WikiLeaks allegedly reached

1020
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: out to sealand they wanted asylum and a passport for

1021
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: as songe Julian Assange sealand declined. They're like, that's some

1022
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: messy business and I don't want Pam Anderson over here,

1023
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: so do your thing. Twenty twelve, it was rumored that

1024
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: Assange was in the process of moving the WikiLeaks servers

1025
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: to sealand didn't happen. And then here's my end of

1026
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: animal house montage for you.

1027
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 3: Okay.

1028
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: So Michael has been the acting head of State since

1029
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, and Roy and Joan retired to Spain

1030
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six.

1031
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: Very UK very if they retire guns, because would be

1032
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 3: totally UK.

1033
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: But with God, he's like a like a nautical hard man.

1034
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: It's only possible to visit Sealand with an official invitation

1035
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: from Prince Michael. You can't just show up.

1036
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: What happens if you do, Like say you're on Green

1037
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 3: Peace and you're like, hey, our boat's got a problem.

1038
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: Like climbate, You're climbing up the ladder and he just

1039
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: gives you a boot to the face. Oh you full

1040
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: the splash. Roy passed away in twenty twelve at the

1041
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: age of ninety one, and in an interview in the eighties,

1042
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: Roy told reporters quote, I might die young or I

1043
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: might die old, but I will never die of boredom. Que' man.

1044
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: That's good. I like that.

1045
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: He's awesome. Joan died in twenty sixteen, so not too

1046
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: long after her husband. The Bates family now lives, goes

1047
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: to school and works in Mainland England, England, England. However,

1048
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: there's always at least one person on sealand Seaaland at

1049
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: all times, usually a single caretaker or security guard. Now

1050
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: the job has been handled for decades by a man

1051
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: named Michael Barrington, who's an old family friend. He's a

1052
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: dual sealand UK citizen. His official title is Head of

1053
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: Homeland Security. Get out Yeah, And as of twenty twenty

1054
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: Michael also owned a cockle fishing business. What no cockles

1055
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: like cockle shells, which is really dangerous, isn't that where

1056
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: people drown all the time? And the shorts because like the.

1057
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: Tide goes out divers.

1058
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh I love abalonis. So Michael wears short shirts and

1059
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: goes cockle fishing and he exports to Spain, so you

1060
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: know he's carrying on the family legacy. As of August

1061
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, zero COVID cases in Seaaland visitors need

1062
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: to show proof of a negative test before they can

1063
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: be pulled aboard, so keep that in mind. And of course,

1064
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: as you brought up, it was also recently home to

1065
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: a virtual showing of a joint painting and NFT exhibition

1066
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: put on by Subby's by Subbies.

1067
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

1068
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: Now to close us out, The UK's Foreign Office has

1069
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: said that seland Quote cannot constitute a separate independent state

1070
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: since it has none of the characteristics of a state,

1071
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: including a land territory, a fixed population and the ability

1072
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: to conduct international relations. Debates disagree they Michael once told

1073
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: a BBC journalist, we have never asked for recognition, and

1074
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: we've never felt the need to ask for recognition. You

1075
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: don't have to have recognition to be a state. You

1076
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: just have to fulfill the criteria of the Montevideo Convention,

1077
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: which is population, territory, government, and the capacity to enter

1078
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: into negotiation with other states. We can and we have

1079
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 2: done all these things. We've had the German ambassador visit

1080
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: us at one point to discuss something that was the

1081
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: de facto recognition. We've had communication with the President of

1082
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: France many years ago, but we have never asked for

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Speaker 2: recognition and we don't feel we need.

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Speaker 3: It's definitive. Listen, I agree with them. Yeah, you're a state.

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Speaker 3: If you say you're a state.

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Speaker 2: Exactly so they're the state born of a criminal takeover.

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Speaker 2: Gotta love it. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 3: Do not mess but Prince Roy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Prince Roy is a legend, as is Prince Michael.

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Speaker 3: Prince Michael, but in my mind, he's a kind of

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Speaker 3: what is it, a chip off the old blocking He's

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Speaker 3: following your tradition, whereas it seems like Prince Roy it's

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Speaker 3: just weird calling him Prince like, like, why didn't he

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Speaker 3: make himself king or something else?

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Speaker 2: A humble He's a humble I'm talking.

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Speaker 3: About the man knows his place in the world. He

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Speaker 3: knows his station in life. He's like, I am not

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Speaker 3: a king. I'm but a lowly and humble prince, here

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Speaker 3: to lead my people and my regal family forward. But

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Speaker 3: I dig him. I find that like anybody wants to go.

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Speaker 3: So I'm getting the boat. We're gonna go take over this.

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Speaker 2: Again. He's a good character and I love that they

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Speaker 2: put the old fort to good use. That's recycling. And

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Speaker 2: my takeaway is a starting your own country isn't easy,

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Speaker 2: but it's super cool.

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Speaker 3: I want one of those castles that they have off

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Speaker 3: the coast of England. They're not like I guess they're

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Speaker 3: usually more like in lakes and stuff. You know, we'll

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Speaker 3: sell it as long as you'll pay for the staff

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Speaker 3: and get some tourism.

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Speaker 2: The lake isle at Indus free. Yes, I want to

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Speaker 2: become a baroness at.

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Speaker 3: Sealand Okay, you are now a baroness.

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