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Speaker 2: A full ride to Georgia Tech. That was all she
Speaker 2: ever wanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was after that night, which is never slid. Third,
Speaker 1: she just disappeared.
Speaker 2: We didn't know at the time. The FBI didn't that
Speaker 2: with any evidence that Franklin Floyd had kidnapped her, Sharon Marshall.
Speaker 2: She was found the victim of a hit and run
Speaker 2: accident in Oklahoma City and died five days later in
Speaker 2: a hospital.
Speaker 1: Usually the FBI doesn't investigate hit and runs, but this
Speaker 1: one was like a tree with gnarled and braided branches.
Speaker 1: According to the police report, a woman was walking at
Speaker 1: night toward a convenience store. She was listening to music
Speaker 1: on stereo headphones. She was hit by a car turning
Speaker 1: onto the highway. It was April of nineteen ninety in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. The woman was taken to the hospital where
Speaker 1: she died. As I've told you, Franklin Employed's crime spree
Speaker 1: lasted decades and took authorities a right smart bit of
Speaker 1: time to unravel. From the get go, this hit and
Speaker 1: run didn't seem like one. First doctor said her injuries
Speaker 1: that she had been beaten within an inch of her life,
Speaker 1: not struck by a car. She died before anyone could
Speaker 1: ask her what really happened to her. Her husband quickly
Speaker 1: became a suspect because after her death, he tried to
Speaker 1: collect on a life insurance policy for eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: When I started looking for the two missing boys in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, I feared I'd either find them
Speaker 1: dead or alive, and that would be it. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize their story had so many layers, or that their
Speaker 1: family had suffered so much heartacheuse I didn't know then
Speaker 1: that Steve, one of the missing boys, had a sister.
Speaker 1: She was Susie savakas the little girl Floyd kidnapp while
Speaker 1: her mama, Sandy, was in jail. You all know that
Speaker 1: because we've already figured that part out together in this podcast.
Speaker 1: But for the better part of twenty five years, no
Speaker 1: one knew the real name of the woman killed in
Speaker 1: that hit and run. Her death become a case as
Speaker 1: cold as an early morning frost. That is until FBI
Speaker 1: agent Scott lob got on the case. That was in
Speaker 1: the mid twenty tens. Other investigators had pieced together that
Speaker 1: the dead woman, Tanya Tadlot, Floyd's supposed wife, was in
Speaker 1: fact Sharon Marshall, who graduated from Forest Park High School.
Speaker 1: By then, Agent Law also had a hunch that Sharon
Speaker 1: Marshall wasn't this victim's real name, So he started pulling
Speaker 1: on some thread.
Speaker 2: But I also wanted that answer to who was Sharon Marshall.
Speaker 1: He didn't know it then, but finding Sharon's real identity
Speaker 1: would take him all over the country, from Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: Florida to Michigan, finally to Virginia. He'd have to cut
Speaker 1: through all this young woman's alienses to figure out the
Speaker 1: name on her birth certificate. This investigation would lead him
Speaker 1: to Sandy's doorstep. He'd be the man to tell Sandy
Speaker 1: what happened to her little girl decades after she went missing.
Speaker 1: The first he needed to talk to the man who
Speaker 1: last saw Sandy's daughter alive, Franklin Floyd. My name is
Speaker 1: Todd Matthews and this is hello John Doe. A sleuth,
Speaker 1: a family, and a serial killer. The story of a
Speaker 1: family torn apart by tragedy and my quest to bring
Speaker 1: them back Together, Chapter six, The Investigation. Scott Lobb's not
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who loves sitting behind a desk.
Speaker 1: Today he's retired, and even in his post career life,
Speaker 1: he's like a worm and hot ashes. The guy can't
Speaker 1: sit still.
Speaker 2: I am a pilot for a charter company here in
Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City area.
Speaker 1: So it's no surprise that during his time at the
Speaker 1: FBI in Oklahoma City he loved getting out into the
Speaker 1: field and getting answers digging. Agent Lob is affable and
Speaker 1: he cares a lot about his work. He talks about
Speaker 1: the cases he's tackled like each one's kept him up
Speaker 1: at night. I know that feeling. There's something really gentle
Speaker 1: about his demeanor. But he's also a zero bullshit kind
Speaker 1: of guy. He ended up fighting for children who were
Speaker 1: victims of violent crimes, even if it ripped his guts
Speaker 1: out time after time.
Speaker 2: It's part of my job, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: in the FBI don't want to work crimes against children.
Speaker 2: I can understand why children can't fight for themselves, and
Speaker 2: I was more than more than willing to be that
Speaker 2: person when they were lady in any way, shape or
Speaker 2: form to work those investigations and see them to a conclusion.
Speaker 1: This is where he was when he inherited the Sharon
Speaker 1: Marshall case.
Speaker 2: The actual folders for the case, I would say would
Speaker 2: stack about six feet high. It's one of the most
Speaker 2: unique cases I was ever involved with.
Speaker 1: About twenty thirteen, Floyd wasn't hard to find. He was
Speaker 1: sitting on Florida's death row serving time for the first
Speaker 1: degree murder of a different young woman in Florida before
Speaker 1: he met Floyd. Agent Lob needed to know the Sharon
Speaker 1: Marshall case inside and out, know it better than Floyd did,
Speaker 1: so he could spot where he might be telling the truth.
Speaker 2: And so I spent the better part of a year
Speaker 2: preparing for that interview by pouring through the case file,
Speaker 2: reading every report of interview, listening to every jail call,
Speaker 2: watching every videotape that I could find of him talking
Speaker 2: to the press.
Speaker 1: He also knew that at the FBI Oklahoma sent a
Speaker 1: request to Florida every year to see if Floyd might
Speaker 1: want to talk. Scott read up on those reports too.
Speaker 2: They were one paragraph reports because Floyd just wasn't interested
Speaker 2: in talking.
Speaker 1: Agent lab was convinced that he could get Floyd to
Speaker 1: agree to a meeting, but that still didn't mean he'd
Speaker 1: tell him anything useful.
Speaker 2: I knew from everything that I'd studied that he liked
Speaker 2: to misdirect, He liked to take you down what we
Speaker 2: call rabbit holes, and so that preparation to approach that
Speaker 2: interview was huge. It was key to conducting that successful
Speaker 2: interview with Franklin Floyd. And I also knew that this
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a one day thing where we
Speaker 2: show up, so I had requested to be there for
Speaker 2: the entire week.
Speaker 1: Plus. He tapped a colleague, Nate for He was a
Speaker 1: skilled interviewer, so skilled the FBI shipped him all over
Speaker 1: the country to teach interrogation classes, and he was exactly
Speaker 1: who Agent lab want him by his side on a
Speaker 1: high stakes assignment like this one. So in the spring
Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen, the FBI agents flew to Florida. Agent
Speaker 1: Lobb had a lot of questions for Franklin Floyd, but
Speaker 1: he knew he had to focus on that central mystery,
Speaker 1: who was Sharon Marshall. Figuring out Sharon's name could unlike
Speaker 1: other answers down the line, this is about getting to
Speaker 1: the truth, not trying to get a US attorney to
Speaker 1: find more charges against Floyd.
Speaker 2: Further prosecution for a guy on death row would be
Speaker 2: a to me, a waste of resources, a waste of money.
Speaker 2: There might have been some perhaps some sense of justice
Speaker 2: was delivered for victims of Franklin Floyd, but I just wanted.
Speaker 1: The answers not to mention. At this point, Agent Lobb
Speaker 1: didn't know Susie Sabakas aka Sharon Marshall aka and Tanya
Speaker 1: Tadlock had been kidnapped when she was six years old.
Speaker 1: He didn't know she was taken across state lines, which
Speaker 1: would have made it a federal crime. But decades later,
Speaker 1: Agent law going to find out who she really was
Speaker 1: and then figure out if Floyd could have been the
Speaker 1: one to kill her, and.
Speaker 2: If so, we want to know why did Floyd kill her.
Speaker 1: That's what was on Agent Lob in first minds when
Speaker 1: they showed up at the Union Correctional Institution in Florida
Speaker 1: in May of twenty fourteen. The trip ittself is pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1: They showed up, go through security, surrendered their phones, walked
Speaker 1: down Death Row and went through security a second time,
Speaker 1: and then walked into a conference room.
Speaker 2: Nate Knight had game planned this before, and it was
Speaker 2: decided that we walked into this room. We instantly knew
Speaker 2: we were going to rearrange it well. In order to
Speaker 2: conduct a really good interview, you don't want to have
Speaker 2: a barrier between you and the person you're talking to,
Speaker 2: such as a table or a desk, so we pushed
Speaker 2: the table up against a wall.
Speaker 1: When Floyd walked through the door, his appearance surprised Agent lob.
Speaker 2: Honestly, he looked feeble, really, and he's not an imposing
Speaker 2: man physically, but he started talking and he didn't stop.
Speaker 1: He also seemed fairly can confused. For about a decade
Speaker 1: he had remained on death roat, but wasn't put today
Speaker 1: because his lawyer argued that he wasn't mentally confident.
Speaker 2: He thought we were his attorneys. Once we got him
Speaker 2: call him down a little bit and started talking to him,
Speaker 2: we spent really that first morning with him up up
Speaker 2: to lunch. We spent really just trying to build some
Speaker 2: rapport with him.
Speaker 1: Agents lobbin for watch Floyd carefully taking it all in.
Speaker 2: His chair at a forty five degree angle, and I'm
Speaker 2: sitting at forty you know, at an angle that I'm
Speaker 2: need a need with him face to face, so I
Speaker 2: could sit there close to him and conduct that interview.
Speaker 2: To make him feel a little bit uncomfortable with that proximity,
Speaker 2: he would try to lean one way or the other.
Speaker 2: I would lean the same way as he did. I
Speaker 2: would mirror his behavior. I'm intently listening to every word
Speaker 2: he says, trying to stay a step or two ahead
Speaker 2: of him to formulate my next question.
Speaker 1: So that's what they did, playing this real life game
Speaker 1: of chess, trying to anticipate Floyd's next move. Even with
Speaker 1: all this preparation, the agents weren't getting much out of Floyd.
Speaker 1: For so long, Floyd had kept up appearances that Susie
Speaker 1: was his daughter named Sharon. Then he told people she
Speaker 1: was his wife, Tanya. He had taken down these lengthy
Speaker 1: rabbit holes, losing the plot, and Floyd brushed off any
Speaker 1: questions about his so called wife.
Speaker 2: It was more, what do you care about her? She's dead,
Speaker 2: she didn't mean anything to me. Things like that.
Speaker 1: He had woven so many tales over the years, but
Speaker 1: now in prison, he stopped pretending he had ever cared.
Speaker 1: He was callous and combative.
Speaker 2: So we go back that first afternoon and Floyd is
Speaker 2: much the same in his attitude. But things started to
Speaker 2: change a little bit.
Speaker 1: Something was different about this day. Agents asked again about
Speaker 1: the woman they knew as Sharon Marshall.
Speaker 2: He had leaned back, he closed his eyes, kind of
Speaker 2: lifted his head a little bit, and he was talking
Speaker 2: about how he had Oh what did he say?
Speaker 1: It was some story about Ben in Florida and then
Speaker 1: going up to New York to visit an old prison
Speaker 1: buddy and taking this big trip up the coast. It
Speaker 1: seemed random.
Speaker 2: He ends up in the Charlotte area of North Carolina
Speaker 2: and got a job as a bus driver. I thought
Speaker 2: he was taking me down another rabbit hole. I'm about
Speaker 2: to put my hand up to cut him off, and
Speaker 2: that's when he leaned back, closed his eyes, lifted his
Speaker 2: head a little bit, and I realized at that point
Speaker 2: he was recalling facts. And he starts telling us how
Speaker 2: he was in a truck stop diner wearing his bus
Speaker 2: driver uniform. He was in training at the time, and
Speaker 2: a waitress had approached him and told him that this
Speaker 2: girl over here wants to meet you, and how he
Speaker 2: met this girl and that turned out to be Sandy
Speaker 2: Brandenburg and got married A few days later, Floyd had
Speaker 2: taken pity on her story that she was about to
Speaker 2: lose her kids to the state and she couldn't provide
Speaker 2: for him, and Floyd decides to marry Sandy.
Speaker 1: This was the first time Floyd talked about Sandy. He
Speaker 1: was remembering the past instead of making it up. Floyd
Speaker 1: talked about Sandy's three daughters and how she had given
Speaker 1: him up. But Wind, I'm back.
Speaker 2: I said, well, tell me about the oldest girl. And
Speaker 2: he goes, well, that's the one you want to know about.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, well tell me about her. And he goes, well,
Speaker 2: I've seen her birth certificate, and I said, okay, where
Speaker 2: was she born? And he told me she was born
Speaker 2: in Lavonia, Michigan. And he said her name was Susanne Sevacas.
Speaker 1: This is a breakthrough. The agent's had something they could
Speaker 1: work with. Floyd was finally making sense. Maybe now he
Speaker 1: has started answering Agent Lobb's other questions.
Speaker 2: And we got a knock on the door and our
Speaker 2: time had ended.
Speaker 1: The FBI agents took what they'd learned and went right
Speaker 1: to work trying to confirm Floyd's story about the oldest girl.
Speaker 2: There was a marriage certificate issued for Sandy Brandenburg and
Speaker 2: a guy named Brandon Cleo Williams, which he had told
Speaker 2: us in that interview that afternoon that that was the
Speaker 2: name he was using in Charlotte, and so like, okay,
Speaker 2: well that's okay, he's telling the truth.
Speaker 1: The next day they found the birth certificate. Bloyd alluded
Speaker 1: to Susann Marie Sebakis born September nineteen sixty nine, the dad,
Speaker 1: Cliff Sebakas, the mother Sandy.
Speaker 2: If we could find the parents, we could get DNA
Speaker 2: samples and run them against the DNA that Sharon or
Speaker 2: Suzanne Sevakas had on file from that hit and run accident.
Speaker 2: And so I think the trooper also told us that
Speaker 2: the father was still alive and lived in Michigan.
Speaker 1: They needed to get to Detroit. If you think it
Speaker 1: was hard to get a serial killer to tell the truth,
Speaker 1: imagine going to tell the divorce parents of a missing
Speaker 1: child that she was now dead.
Speaker 2: I can't think of a good way to approach this
Speaker 2: interview as far as the introduction and how I'm going
Speaker 2: to relate the information to him that we have and
Speaker 2: then ask for a DNA sample.
Speaker 1: Once Agent slobin Fer got to the Detroit Metro Airport,
Speaker 1: the met a trooper and went to the home of
Speaker 1: Susie's dad, and.
Speaker 2: I still didn't have a plan. As we were walking
Speaker 2: in the house, he was a little bit curious because
Speaker 2: we cold called and there's two FBI agents and state
Speaker 2: trooper there.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, Cliff and Sandy had not taught
Speaker 1: much since her breakup, so he didn't even realize his
Speaker 1: daughter and go missing. He certainly didn't know she'd been kidnapped.
Speaker 2: And his wife is there with them. They're very nice people.
Speaker 2: And I started telling him a story about this girl
Speaker 2: who was known as Sharon Marshall was killed in Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City and a hit and run accident.
Speaker 1: It wasn't ringing any bills.
Speaker 2: He had never heard the name before. I go back
Speaker 2: through her timeline, working in reverse, and he's starting to
Speaker 2: kind of figure this out at this point, and I said,
Speaker 2: we believe that Sharon Marshall is your daughter, Suzanne. It
Speaker 2: was thunderstruck.
Speaker 3: And it was something I never did and no parent
Speaker 3: ever wants to hear their child go through the existence
Speaker 3: that she had to live for twenty years.
Speaker 1: That, of course, his Cliffs of Vegas, Susie's biological father.
Speaker 1: He'd barely known her, and now it was too late.
Speaker 2: It hit him like a ton of bricks, as you
Speaker 2: can expect.
Speaker 3: And of course nothing to be done about it, just
Speaker 3: kind of the heartbroken. That's about all you can do.
Speaker 1: After Sanny and Cliff got divorced, he had seen Susie
Speaker 1: one time, but that's it.
Speaker 2: I think his last contact maybe seventy four, somewhere in
Speaker 2: the mid seventies, early to mid seventies.
Speaker 3: It's like kid hit on the head with a pillow
Speaker 3: pace full of rocks.
Speaker 1: Clip and his second while I've had kids with their own,
Speaker 1: a boy and a girl. He had built a career
Speaker 1: in radio and then advertising. This news drop kicked him
Speaker 1: out of his present life, into the past and into
Speaker 1: a dark place.
Speaker 2: It was very tough.
Speaker 3: I lived with it every minute of the day for
Speaker 3: a good year, and I put it to bed and
Speaker 3: it comes back up again.
Speaker 2: It's Tommy Humilidy.
Speaker 1: I wish Clip had known Susie, wished he'd help raise her,
Speaker 1: been a father to her before she was kidnapped. Cliff
Speaker 1: wasn't part of Susie's life, but he would forever be
Speaker 1: a part of her story after her death. Next the
Speaker 1: fat agents left to track down Susie's mother, the one
Speaker 1: who'd last seen her, Sandy. On a hot, humid day
Speaker 1: in July twenty fourteen, agents Lob and fer landed in Norfolk, Virginia.
Speaker 1: There they rented a car and drove across the bridge
Speaker 1: tunnel to Newport News, where then knew Sandy was living.
Speaker 1: At the time. They knocked on the door. Dorothy, Sandy's youngest,
Speaker 1: answered and they.
Speaker 4: Were like, I'm looking for Sandra Chipman or Sandra Willett.
Speaker 4: I said, that's my mom.
Speaker 1: This time, Agents Lob and for had a plan. They
Speaker 1: had a photo of Susie sitting on Floyd's lap, and.
Speaker 2: It's commonly believed to be a church directory photo, which
Speaker 2: turned out it was. And I had our photographer in
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City separate those two, and so I had a
Speaker 2: picture of just Suzanne and a picture of just Floyd.
Speaker 1: It shown it cleft, but got no reaction.
Speaker 2: This time was different, and I did say, there's this
Speaker 2: girl in Oklahoma City and started walking it back and
Speaker 2: her daughter starts crying. Her daughter immediately realizes where I'm
Speaker 2: going with this.
Speaker 4: I immediately got up and I pulled the picture of
Speaker 4: my mom and her sister down from the shelf in
Speaker 4: my bedroom and showed them.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's identical.
Speaker 4: I cried.
Speaker 1: Sandy came into the room and talked to the ay
Speaker 1: agents orself.
Speaker 5: They said, do you know this man?
Speaker 2: She says, without any hesitation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's Brandon Williams.
Speaker 2: And he stole my daughter, Susie. And I thought to myself, well,
Speaker 2: we got the right place, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: And they said, do you know this girl? And I said,
Speaker 5: that's my daughter. Where's my daughter? And he said she's dead.
Speaker 2: I showed her the pictures, Suzanne, and she's crying at
Speaker 2: this point, and she told her story, and she did
Speaker 2: say that they were in Dallas, that she had been
Speaker 2: arrested for writing a hot check at a seven to eleven.
Speaker 1: It's the same story she telled me.
Speaker 2: And that sounded a little harsh to me for a
Speaker 2: hot check for I think it was a dollar seven
Speaker 2: for some diapers, one dollar seven cents. But that's her story.
Speaker 2: So I'm just taking the notes. And she gets out
Speaker 2: of jail. This would have been November. I think she
Speaker 2: went in in October, got out in November of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five, and went back to the apartment that they
Speaker 2: all shared, and the girls were gone, Floyd was going.
Speaker 2: She tried to go to the Dallas Police Department. They
Speaker 2: didn't want anything to do with her. She said. She
Speaker 2: tried to go to the FBI. They didn't want anything
Speaker 2: to do with her.
Speaker 1: It was a lifetime. She saw Susie and the last
Speaker 1: time she saw Floyd, the FBI was telling her that
Speaker 1: her daughter was dead.
Speaker 5: I just completely broke down, completely broke down.
Speaker 1: After she collected Durslail, she had another question about her
Speaker 1: other missing child.
Speaker 5: I said, well, did you find Steve? And they said,
Speaker 5: who's Steve? I said, Steve's my little boy. Did you
Speaker 5: find him too? They didn't know anything about Steve.
Speaker 2: The timeline didn't make a lot of sense to me
Speaker 2: of when she was in North Carolina and when that
Speaker 2: boy was born, and she didn't really have as I remember,
Speaker 2: a good explanation of what Floyd did with that boy,
Speaker 2: other than she said he gave him to somebody else
Speaker 2: living in the same trailer park. I just didn't believe
Speaker 2: that boy was born at all. So we did some
Speaker 2: due diligence. We contacted North Carolina, asked about adoption records
Speaker 2: and so forth, and they didn't have anything. They didn't
Speaker 2: there's nothing on file.
Speaker 1: God damn it to hell. This explains why I had
Speaker 1: such a hard time tracking Steve down later on. The
Speaker 1: FBI didn't think you existed period. Agent Lobb explained this
Speaker 1: to us that he felt he had done the best
Speaker 1: he could define Steve.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to sound callous about that, but I'm
Speaker 2: happy that we were able to close that loop.
Speaker 1: Agent Lobb even offered to speak to Steve if you
Speaker 1: wanted to hear the story from him.
Speaker 2: You can give him my contact information if he's willing
Speaker 2: to do it, or if he even wants to do it.
Speaker 2: I know it's tough what he's gone through. I'm willing
Speaker 2: to try to answer any questions he might have.
Speaker 1: I told Steve about Agent Lob in the File of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Steve never called him. Scott Lob's exhaustive
Speaker 1: investigation resolved the big mystery of Sharon Marshall's real name.
Speaker 1: Now he could figure out what really happened to her
Speaker 1: and how Floyd got away with it for so long.
Speaker 1: Before he left, Agent Lob gave Sandy a suggestion, they say,
Speaker 1: read Matt's book. He was talking about a book called
Speaker 1: a Beautiful Child, written by Matt Burkbank. It came out
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, so a full decade before
Speaker 1: Agent lob meant Sandy. The book told the story of
Speaker 1: a woman many you as Sharon Marshall, how she was
Speaker 1: kidnapped and raised by Floyd. The author didn't know that
Speaker 1: Sharon was actually Susie. He hadn't connected those dots yet,
Speaker 1: but the details of her life on the room with
Speaker 1: Floyd were inside that book, including the abuse.
Speaker 2: The reason I did that and told her to read
Speaker 2: that book was because Matt Birkbeck had put in a
Speaker 2: lot of effort into writing that book and really knew
Speaker 2: the history of how she bounced around the country of
Speaker 2: Franklin Floyd. I read the book too, but I'm I
Speaker 2: told her. I said, I'm going to warn you it's
Speaker 2: not pleasant.
Speaker 1: Once the agents left town, Sandy was left alone with
Speaker 1: their emotions and this new book she was told to read.
Speaker 6: After they left, I locked myself in the room, didn't
Speaker 6: come out for a couple of days. But that's either
Speaker 6: here nor there. But I was just in total shocks
Speaker 6: the whole time he was sitting there and telling me
Speaker 6: that Susie was dead.
Speaker 1: She couldn't believe it. She figured Susie was alive and
Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with her.
Speaker 6: Up until the day the FBI agent showed up at
Speaker 6: my house. I finally believed Susie was still alive. I
Speaker 6: mean sometimes I threw the book against the wall. Sometimes
Speaker 6: I screamed, sometimes I cried. It was like reading a
Speaker 6: horror story that you're a part of, but not a
Speaker 6: part of.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: I went all the way through it within a couple
Speaker 6: of days. Then I put it a science for about
Speaker 6: a month, and then I started going through a piece
Speaker 6: by t After I read the book, I considered killing myself. No,
Speaker 6: it wouldn't have helped my other kids, and that's what
Speaker 6: stopped me.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how hard this must have been for Sandy.
Speaker 1: For years, she was hoping one day her daughter would
Speaker 1: come back. Instead, she had a unique kind of heartbreak.
Speaker 1: People had read Burt Bett's book, had found out what
Speaker 1: happened to Susie before she had. Sandy felt helpless.
Speaker 6: I looked back, and I was in Tulsa and he
Speaker 6: was in Tulsa with her, and I could what could
Speaker 6: I have done to find yours that I didn't do
Speaker 6: when I was in Tulsa.
Speaker 1: There were, of course good parts in the book, like
Speaker 1: how Susie was on her way to Georgia tech.
Speaker 6: I did find out she could have done so much
Speaker 6: more if you weren't involved with her life. When she
Speaker 6: was five and six and they said what do you
Speaker 6: want to be when you grow up, she used to say,
Speaker 6: I want to go to the moon.
Speaker 1: In this period of total despair, Sandy found something that
Speaker 1: helped her.
Speaker 6: I wrote journals. I wrote the journal after journal after
Speaker 6: journal every day. In fact, I'd just gotten rid of
Speaker 6: a bunch of them because there were things in as
Speaker 6: Jordaline didn't want my kids to read.
Speaker 1: Sandy's husband of thirty years died in August of twenty ten,
Speaker 1: but she started writing to him anyway.
Speaker 6: I would write, I call my husband Sonny, but I
Speaker 6: would write to Sonny every day, like, you know, all
Speaker 6: this has happened, and you're not here to help me,
Speaker 6: and you really know what to do, and I don't
Speaker 6: know what to do.
Speaker 1: It's hard to really say it, but I've told you
Speaker 1: I'm friends with a lot of dead people. There's something
Speaker 1: about this work that's made me a little bit spiritual.
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that believes they're not as
Speaker 1: far away as we might think. I know what it
Speaker 1: sounds like, but it's often helped me in these really
Speaker 1: dark times. I don't know. I guess I just thought
Speaker 1: maybe Sandy wasn't as far away from her daughter as
Speaker 1: she thought. If you could say something to Susanne, what
Speaker 1: would you.
Speaker 2: Say to her?
Speaker 1: I love you, I miss her. Amy Winkles had the
Speaker 1: grievous sister she never really knew. She's been thinking about
Speaker 1: what she would have said to her too.
Speaker 7: Sorry I couldn't help her. I wish we wouldn't known
Speaker 7: each other, but I feel like I should have helped her.
Speaker 7: But I couldn't help her. I think we would have
Speaker 7: been good friends. We could have died in trouble together.
Speaker 1: With Sandy's DNA in hand, the FBI agents flew back
Speaker 1: to Oklamba City and sent the samples to a.
Speaker 2: Lamb The DNA matter both the father and the mother,
Speaker 2: and it came back as a confirmation that the girl
Speaker 2: who was killed in Oklahoma City was Suzanne Sevakas.
Speaker 1: Getting her name was the crucial part of figuring out
Speaker 1: what her story was.
Speaker 2: She was unknown, and you know, through Nate and I's work,
Speaker 2: we were able to give her her name back. Even
Speaker 2: though she's.
Speaker 1: Gone for a while. Agent's Lob and for continue to
Speaker 1: visit Floyd in prison. They were pretty sure he kills Susie,
Speaker 1: but still didn't know his motive.
Speaker 2: That was one thing he just would not talk about
Speaker 2: on all three visits was why he killed Suzanne. Floyd
Speaker 2: raised that girl. Floyd had a long long standing tie
Speaker 2: to that girl, from the time he took her to
Speaker 2: the time she died in Oklahoma City, and I thought
Speaker 2: that question would have been the most painful for him.
Speaker 2: That's why I saved it for last.
Speaker 1: The Floyd stayed mom. Agent Lob had his own theories.
Speaker 2: Well, there's speculation that she was leaving him, she was running,
Speaker 2: and that Floyd found her somehow in Oklahoma City. That
Speaker 2: could be true. I don't think we'll ever know the
Speaker 2: answer to that question.
Speaker 1: When I think of what Floyd got away with, I'm
Speaker 1: spitting man pissed. He stole Susie from her family, he
Speaker 1: abused Susie for most of her life and was never
Speaker 1: held responsible for a murder. It's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: make peace with that, especially considering Floyd. I also came
Speaker 1: for Susie's son, the school age boy named Michael, the
Speaker 1: boy who had gone missing in nineteen ninety four, one
Speaker 1: of the two I've become obsessed with about twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Kidnapping him was the federal crime that put Floyd behind bars.
Speaker 1: Next time on Hello John.
Speaker 2: Doe, Michael Anthony Hughes had been taken to a safe place,
Speaker 2: Floyd would say.
Speaker 6: Floyd would also say the boy was his son.
Speaker 4: My nephew.
Speaker 2: He was just innocent. It took yeah, thirty to forty
Speaker 2: five minutes before I finally said, we're not your attorneys,
Speaker 2: We're FBI agents. We're here to talk to you about Michael.
Speaker 2: He I said, I've reopened the investigation, and he looked
Speaker 2: at me and says, what, I appreciate it if you
Speaker 2: close it.
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