WEBVTT - CHAPTER SIX: The Investigation 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.400 Hey, their listeners, I want to give you a heads 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.480 up that this episode will discuss sexualists out. Please take 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:12.440 care while listening. Previously on Hello John Doe, she had. 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.920 A full ride to Georgia Tech. That was all she 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:15.560 ever wanted. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.400 Yeah, it was after that night, which is never slid. Third, 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:21.080 she just disappeared. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.319 We didn't know at the time. The FBI didn't that 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.400 with any evidence that Franklin Floyd had kidnapped her, Sharon Marshall. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.200 She was found the victim of a hit and run 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.720 accident in Oklahoma City and died five days later in 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:33.440 a hospital. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.599 Usually the FBI doesn't investigate hit and runs, but this 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.520 one was like a tree with gnarled and braided branches. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.280 According to the police report, a woman was walking at 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.960 night toward a convenience store. She was listening to music 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.440 on stereo headphones. She was hit by a car turning 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.959 onto the highway. It was April of nineteen ninety in 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.880 Oklahoma City. The woman was taken to the hospital where 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:14.520 she died. As I've told you, Franklin Employed's crime spree 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.360 lasted decades and took authorities a right smart bit of 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.399 time to unravel. From the get go, this hit and 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.279 run didn't seem like one. First doctor said her injuries 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.560 that she had been beaten within an inch of her life, 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.039 not struck by a car. She died before anyone could 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:37.760 ask her what really happened to her. Her husband quickly 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.040 became a suspect because after her death, he tried to 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.400 collect on a life insurance policy for eighty thousand dollars. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.440 When I started looking for the two missing boys in 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.960 two thousand and four, I feared I'd either find them 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.800 dead or alive, and that would be it. I didn't 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.520 realize their story had so many layers, or that their 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.760 family had suffered so much heartacheuse I didn't know then 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.559 that Steve, one of the missing boys, had a sister. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.880 She was Susie savakas the little girl Floyd kidnapp while 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.639 her mama, Sandy, was in jail. You all know that 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.000 because we've already figured that part out together in this podcast. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.079 But for the better part of twenty five years, no 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.080 one knew the real name of the woman killed in 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.000 that hit and run. Her death become a case as 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:30.080 cold as an early morning frost. That is until FBI 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.600 agent Scott lob got on the case. That was in 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.520 the mid twenty tens. Other investigators had pieced together that 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:41.200 the dead woman, Tanya Tadlot, Floyd's supposed wife, was in 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.400 fact Sharon Marshall, who graduated from Forest Park High School. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.799 By then, Agent Law also had a hunch that Sharon 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.320 Marshall wasn't this victim's real name, So he started pulling 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:52.000 on some thread. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.919 But I also wanted that answer to who was Sharon Marshall. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.720 He didn't know it then, but finding Sharon's real identity 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.519 would take him all over the country, from Oklahoma and 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:08.000 Florida to Michigan, finally to Virginia. He'd have to cut 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.560 through all this young woman's alienses to figure out the 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:20.760 name on her birth certificate. This investigation would lead him 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.040 to Sandy's doorstep. He'd be the man to tell Sandy 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.080 what happened to her little girl decades after she went missing. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.119 The first he needed to talk to the man who 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:40.320 last saw Sandy's daughter alive, Franklin Floyd. My name is 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.040 Todd Matthews and this is hello John Doe. A sleuth, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.360 a family, and a serial killer. The story of a 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.080 family torn apart by tragedy and my quest to bring 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:59.920 them back Together, Chapter six, The Investigation. Scott Lobb's not 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.000 the kind of guy who loves sitting behind a desk. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.040 Today he's retired, and even in his post career life, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.720 he's like a worm and hot ashes. The guy can't 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:09.240 sit still. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.800 I am a pilot for a charter company here in 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.440 the Oklahoma City area. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.919 So it's no surprise that during his time at the 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.680 FBI in Oklahoma City he loved getting out into the 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:24.000 field and getting answers digging. Agent Lob is affable and 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.600 he cares a lot about his work. He talks about 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.039 the cases he's tackled like each one's kept him up 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.720 at night. I know that feeling. There's something really gentle 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.920 about his demeanor. But he's also a zero bullshit kind 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.560 of guy. He ended up fighting for children who were 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.640 victims of violent crimes, even if it ripped his guts 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.480 out time after time. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.160 It's part of my job, and a lot of people 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.240 in the FBI don't want to work crimes against children. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:54.159 I can understand why children can't fight for themselves, and 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.680 I was more than more than willing to be that 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.280 person when they were lady in any way, shape or 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:06.240 form to work those investigations and see them to a conclusion. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.039 This is where he was when he inherited the Sharon 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:09.719 Marshall case. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.720 The actual folders for the case, I would say would 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.159 stack about six feet high. It's one of the most 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.600 unique cases I was ever involved with. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.359 About twenty thirteen, Floyd wasn't hard to find. He was 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.760 sitting on Florida's death row serving time for the first 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.400 degree murder of a different young woman in Florida before 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.040 he met Floyd. Agent Lob needed to know the Sharon 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.280 Marshall case inside and out, know it better than Floyd did, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.320 so he could spot where he might be telling the truth. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.240 And so I spent the better part of a year 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.560 preparing for that interview by pouring through the case file, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.479 reading every report of interview, listening to every jail call, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.360 watching every videotape that I could find of him talking 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:58.560 to the press. 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.479 He also knew that at the FBI Oklahoma sent a 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.960 request to Florida every year to see if Floyd might 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.479 want to talk. Scott read up on those reports too. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.600 They were one paragraph reports because Floyd just wasn't interested 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:12.120 in talking. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.880 Agent lab was convinced that he could get Floyd to 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.880 agree to a meeting, but that still didn't mean he'd 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.200 tell him anything useful. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.480 I knew from everything that I'd studied that he liked 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.719 to misdirect, He liked to take you down what we 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:29.159 call rabbit holes, and so that preparation to approach that 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.440 interview was huge. It was key to conducting that successful 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.880 interview with Franklin Floyd. And I also knew that this 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.360 wasn't going to be a one day thing where we 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.000 show up, so I had requested to be there for 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.120 the entire week. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.880 Plus. He tapped a colleague, Nate for He was a 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.360 skilled interviewer, so skilled the FBI shipped him all over 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.760 the country to teach interrogation classes, and he was exactly 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.680 who Agent lab want him by his side on a 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.479 high stakes assignment like this one. So in the spring 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.520 of twenty fourteen, the FBI agents flew to Florida. Agent 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.200 Lobb had a lot of questions for Franklin Floyd, but 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.480 he knew he had to focus on that central mystery, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.600 who was Sharon Marshall. Figuring out Sharon's name could unlike 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.680 other answers down the line, this is about getting to 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.480 the truth, not trying to get a US attorney to 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.040 find more charges against Floyd. 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.200 Further prosecution for a guy on death row would be 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.080 a to me, a waste of resources, a waste of money. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.840 There might have been some perhaps some sense of justice 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:38.800 was delivered for victims of Franklin Floyd, but I just wanted. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.840 The answers not to mention. At this point, Agent Lobb 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.200 didn't know Susie Sabakas aka Sharon Marshall aka and Tanya 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.840 Tadlock had been kidnapped when she was six years old. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.720 He didn't know she was taken across state lines, which 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.720 would have made it a federal crime. But decades later, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.480 Agent law going to find out who she really was 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.880 and then figure out if Floyd could have been the 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.600 one to kill her, and. 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.760 If so, we want to know why did Floyd kill her. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.800 That's what was on Agent Lob in first minds when 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.440 they showed up at the Union Correctional Institution in Florida 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.680 in May of twenty fourteen. The trip ittself is pretty straightforward. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.920 They showed up, go through security, surrendered their phones, walked 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.640 down Death Row and went through security a second time, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.240 and then walked into a conference room. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.120 Nate Knight had game planned this before, and it was 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.480 decided that we walked into this room. We instantly knew 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.960 we were going to rearrange it well. In order to 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.080 conduct a really good interview, you don't want to have 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.440 a barrier between you and the person you're talking to, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.400 such as a table or a desk, so we pushed 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:42.960 the table up against a wall. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.920 When Floyd walked through the door, his appearance surprised Agent lob. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:53.840 Honestly, he looked feeble, really, and he's not an imposing 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:58.439 man physically, but he started talking and he didn't stop. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.040 He also seemed fairly can confused. For about a decade 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.600 he had remained on death roat, but wasn't put today 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.320 because his lawyer argued that he wasn't mentally confident. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:13.000 He thought we were his attorneys. Once we got him 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.560 call him down a little bit and started talking to him, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.520 we spent really that first morning with him up up 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.280 to lunch. We spent really just trying to build some 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:26.480 rapport with him. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:31.840 Agents lobbin for watch Floyd carefully taking it all in. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.040 His chair at a forty five degree angle, and I'm 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.199 sitting at forty you know, at an angle that I'm 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.280 need a need with him face to face, so I 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.840 could sit there close to him and conduct that interview. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.520 To make him feel a little bit uncomfortable with that proximity, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.040 he would try to lean one way or the other. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.000 I would lean the same way as he did. I 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:56.360 would mirror his behavior. I'm intently listening to every word 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.760 he says, trying to stay a step or two ahead 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.440 of him to formulate my next question. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.839 So that's what they did, playing this real life game 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:10.080 of chess, trying to anticipate Floyd's next move. Even with 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.480 all this preparation, the agents weren't getting much out of Floyd. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.720 For so long, Floyd had kept up appearances that Susie 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.520 was his daughter named Sharon. Then he told people she 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.760 was his wife, Tanya. He had taken down these lengthy 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.880 rabbit holes, losing the plot, and Floyd brushed off any 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.559 questions about his so called wife. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.160 It was more, what do you care about her? She's dead, 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.680 she didn't mean anything to me. Things like that. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.520 He had woven so many tales over the years, but 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.040 now in prison, he stopped pretending he had ever cared. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.000 He was callous and combative. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.560 So we go back that first afternoon and Floyd is 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.679 much the same in his attitude. But things started to 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:53.720 change a little bit. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:11:02.360 Something was different about this day. Agents asked again about 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.040 the woman they knew as Sharon Marshall. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.960 He had leaned back, he closed his eyes, kind of 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.840 lifted his head a little bit, and he was talking 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.840 about how he had Oh what did he say? 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.920 It was some story about Ben in Florida and then 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.320 going up to New York to visit an old prison 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.520 buddy and taking this big trip up the coast. It 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.080 seemed random. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.480 He ends up in the Charlotte area of North Carolina 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.640 and got a job as a bus driver. I thought 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.720 he was taking me down another rabbit hole. I'm about 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.920 to put my hand up to cut him off, and 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.679 that's when he leaned back, closed his eyes, lifted his 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.680 head a little bit, and I realized at that point 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:52.560 he was recalling facts. And he starts telling us how 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.400 he was in a truck stop diner wearing his bus 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.200 driver uniform. He was in training at the time, and 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.200 a waitress had approached him and told him that this 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.520 girl over here wants to meet you, and how he 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.400 met this girl and that turned out to be Sandy 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:14.400 Brandenburg and got married A few days later, Floyd had 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.040 taken pity on her story that she was about to 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.040 lose her kids to the state and she couldn't provide 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.080 for him, and Floyd decides to marry Sandy. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.880 This was the first time Floyd talked about Sandy. He 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.320 was remembering the past instead of making it up. Floyd 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.720 talked about Sandy's three daughters and how she had given 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.240 him up. But Wind, I'm back. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.960 I said, well, tell me about the oldest girl. And 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:38.679 he goes, well, that's the one you want to know about. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.800 I said, okay, well tell me about her. And he goes, well, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.600 I've seen her birth certificate, and I said, okay, where 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.760 was she born? And he told me she was born 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:55.000 in Lavonia, Michigan. And he said her name was Susanne Sevacas. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.559 This is a breakthrough. The agent's had something they could 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.400 work with. Floyd was finally making sense. Maybe now he 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.679 has started answering Agent Lobb's other questions. 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.199 And we got a knock on the door and our 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:14.880 time had ended. 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.480 The FBI agents took what they'd learned and went right 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.040 to work trying to confirm Floyd's story about the oldest girl. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:26.280 There was a marriage certificate issued for Sandy Brandenburg and 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.920 a guy named Brandon Cleo Williams, which he had told 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.640 us in that interview that afternoon that that was the 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.720 name he was using in Charlotte, and so like, okay, 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.360 well that's okay, he's telling the truth. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.679 The next day they found the birth certificate. Bloyd alluded 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:46.720 to Susann Marie Sebakis born September nineteen sixty nine, the dad, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.280 Cliff Sebakas, the mother Sandy. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.240 If we could find the parents, we could get DNA 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.480 samples and run them against the DNA that Sharon or 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.640 Suzanne Sevakas had on file from that hit and run accident. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.000 And so I think the trooper also told us that 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.280 the father was still alive and lived in Michigan. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:12.480 They needed to get to Detroit. If you think it 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.559 was hard to get a serial killer to tell the truth, 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.800 imagine going to tell the divorce parents of a missing 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.640 child that she was now dead. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.280 I can't think of a good way to approach this 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.080 interview as far as the introduction and how I'm going 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.400 to relate the information to him that we have and 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:29.880 then ask for a DNA sample. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.960 Once Agent slobin Fer got to the Detroit Metro Airport, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.320 the met a trooper and went to the home of 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.000 Susie's dad, and. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.600 I still didn't have a plan. As we were walking 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.520 in the house, he was a little bit curious because 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.880 we cold called and there's two FBI agents and state 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:44.520 trooper there. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.000 As it turns out, Cliff and Sandy had not taught 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.680 much since her breakup, so he didn't even realize his 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.920 daughter and go missing. He certainly didn't know she'd been kidnapped. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.880 And his wife is there with them. They're very nice people. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.200 And I started telling him a story about this girl 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.800 who was known as Sharon Marshall was killed in Oklahoma 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.280 City and a hit and run accident. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.200 It wasn't ringing any bills. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.320 He had never heard the name before. I go back 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.200 through her timeline, working in reverse, and he's starting to 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.440 kind of figure this out at this point, and I said, 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:27.960 we believe that Sharon Marshall is your daughter, Suzanne. It 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.520 was thunderstruck. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.800 And it was something I never did and no parent 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:37.080 ever wants to hear their child go through the existence 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.680 that she had to live for twenty years. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.440 That, of course, his Cliffs of Vegas, Susie's biological father. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.840 He'd barely known her, and now it was too late. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.640 It hit him like a ton of bricks, as you 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.240 can expect. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.560 And of course nothing to be done about it, just 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:59.560 kind of the heartbroken. That's about all you can do. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.600 After Sanny and Cliff got divorced, he had seen Susie 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.200 one time, but that's it. 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:18.440 I think his last contact maybe seventy four, somewhere in 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.280 the mid seventies, early to mid seventies. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.520 It's like kid hit on the head with a pillow 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.280 pace full of rocks. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.800 Clip and his second while I've had kids with their own, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.320 a boy and a girl. He had built a career 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.960 in radio and then advertising. This news drop kicked him 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.400 out of his present life, into the past and into 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:38.160 a dark place. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:39.960 It was very tough. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.960 I lived with it every minute of the day for 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.920 a good year, and I put it to bed and 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:48.480 it comes back up again. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.680 It's Tommy Humilidy. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.760 I wish Clip had known Susie, wished he'd help raise her, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.360 been a father to her before she was kidnapped. Cliff 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.120 wasn't part of Susie's life, but he would forever be 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:05.119 a part of her story after her death. Next the 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.960 fat agents left to track down Susie's mother, the one 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:14.920 who'd last seen her, Sandy. On a hot, humid day 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:19.199 in July twenty fourteen, agents Lob and fer landed in Norfolk, Virginia. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.359 There they rented a car and drove across the bridge 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.240 tunnel to Newport News, where then knew Sandy was living. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:29.560 At the time. They knocked on the door. Dorothy, Sandy's youngest, 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.400 answered and they. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.280 Were like, I'm looking for Sandra Chipman or Sandra Willett. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.280 I said, that's my mom. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.800 This time, Agents Lob and for had a plan. They 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.080 had a photo of Susie sitting on Floyd's lap, and. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.920 It's commonly believed to be a church directory photo, which 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.280 turned out it was. And I had our photographer in 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.639 Oklahoma City separate those two, and so I had a 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.840 picture of just Suzanne and a picture of just Floyd. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.000 It shown it cleft, but got no reaction. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.879 This time was different, and I did say, there's this 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.520 girl in Oklahoma City and started walking it back and 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.480 her daughter starts crying. Her daughter immediately realizes where I'm 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:15.040 going with this. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.919 I immediately got up and I pulled the picture of 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.679 my mom and her sister down from the shelf in 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.000 my bedroom and showed them. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.440 I was like, that's identical. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:26.359 I cried. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.560 Sandy came into the room and talked to the ay 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:30.479 agents orself. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.359 They said, do you know this man? 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.520 She says, without any hesitation. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.119 Yeah, and that's Brandon Williams. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:44.280 And he stole my daughter, Susie. And I thought to myself, well, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.280 we got the right place, that's for sure. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.440 And they said, do you know this girl? And I said, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.480 that's my daughter. Where's my daughter? And he said she's dead. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.919 I showed her the pictures, Suzanne, and she's crying at 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:07.720 this point, and she told her story, and she did 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.840 say that they were in Dallas, that she had been 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.760 arrested for writing a hot check at a seven to eleven. 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:15.639 It's the same story she telled me. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.479 And that sounded a little harsh to me for a 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.080 hot check for I think it was a dollar seven 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.080 for some diapers, one dollar seven cents. But that's her story. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.120 So I'm just taking the notes. And she gets out 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.760 of jail. This would have been November. I think she 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.679 went in in October, got out in November of nineteen 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.479 seventy five, and went back to the apartment that they 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.760 all shared, and the girls were gone, Floyd was going. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.280 She tried to go to the Dallas Police Department. They 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.080 didn't want anything to do with her. She said. She 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.240 tried to go to the FBI. They didn't want anything 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:54.800 to do with her. 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.160 It was a lifetime. She saw Susie and the last 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.399 time she saw Floyd, the FBI was telling her that 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:02.399 her daughter was dead. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.240 I just completely broke down, completely broke down. 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.879 After she collected Durslail, she had another question about her 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:13.399 other missing child. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.960 I said, well, did you find Steve? And they said, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.600 who's Steve? I said, Steve's my little boy. Did you 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.480 find him too? They didn't know anything about Steve. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.600 The timeline didn't make a lot of sense to me 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.119 of when she was in North Carolina and when that 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:36.480 boy was born, and she didn't really have as I remember, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.880 a good explanation of what Floyd did with that boy, 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:44.640 other than she said he gave him to somebody else 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.760 living in the same trailer park. I just didn't believe 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:52.119 that boy was born at all. So we did some 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:58.119 due diligence. We contacted North Carolina, asked about adoption records 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.680 and so forth, and they didn't have anything. They didn't 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:03.320 there's nothing on file. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.840 God damn it to hell. This explains why I had 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.080 such a hard time tracking Steve down later on. The 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.119 FBI didn't think you existed period. Agent Lobb explained this 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.040 to us that he felt he had done the best 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:17.080 he could define Steve. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.040 I don't mean to sound callous about that, but I'm 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.280 happy that we were able to close that loop. 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.480 Agent Lobb even offered to speak to Steve if you 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:27.960 wanted to hear the story from him. 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.440 You can give him my contact information if he's willing 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.320 to do it, or if he even wants to do it. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.920 I know it's tough what he's gone through. I'm willing 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.040 to try to answer any questions he might have. 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.919 I told Steve about Agent Lob in the File of 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:50.240 twenty twenty three. Steve never called him. Scott Lob's exhaustive 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.720 investigation resolved the big mystery of Sharon Marshall's real name. 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.720 Now he could figure out what really happened to her 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:58.920 and how Floyd got away with it for so long. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.960 Before he left, Agent Lob gave Sandy a suggestion, they say, 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.080 read Matt's book. He was talking about a book called 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.639 a Beautiful Child, written by Matt Burkbank. It came out 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.440 in two thousand and four, so a full decade before 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.359 Agent lob meant Sandy. The book told the story of 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.960 a woman many you as Sharon Marshall, how she was 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.800 kidnapped and raised by Floyd. The author didn't know that 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:25.000 Sharon was actually Susie. He hadn't connected those dots yet, 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:29.399