1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Hey, their listeners, I want to give you a heads 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: up that this episode will discuss sexualists out. Please take 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: care while listening. Previously on Hello John Doe, she had. 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: A full ride to Georgia Tech. That was all she 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: ever wanted. 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was after that night, which is never slid. Third, 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: she just disappeared. 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: We didn't know at the time. The FBI didn't that 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: with any evidence that Franklin Floyd had kidnapped her, Sharon Marshall. 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: She was found the victim of a hit and run 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: accident in Oklahoma City and died five days later in 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: a hospital. 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: Usually the FBI doesn't investigate hit and runs, but this 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: one was like a tree with gnarled and braided branches. 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: According to the police report, a woman was walking at 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: night toward a convenience store. She was listening to music 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: on stereo headphones. She was hit by a car turning 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: onto the highway. It was April of nineteen ninety in 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. The woman was taken to the hospital where 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: she died. As I've told you, Franklin Employed's crime spree 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: lasted decades and took authorities a right smart bit of 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: time to unravel. From the get go, this hit and 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 1: run didn't seem like one. First doctor said her injuries 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: that she had been beaten within an inch of her life, 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: not struck by a car. She died before anyone could 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: ask her what really happened to her. Her husband quickly 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: became a suspect because after her death, he tried to 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: collect on a life insurance policy for eighty thousand dollars. 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: When I started looking for the two missing boys in 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, I feared I'd either find them 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: dead or alive, and that would be it. I didn't 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: realize their story had so many layers, or that their 33 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: family had suffered so much heartacheuse I didn't know then 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: that Steve, one of the missing boys, had a sister. 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: She was Susie savakas the little girl Floyd kidnapp while 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: her mama, Sandy, was in jail. You all know that 37 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: because we've already figured that part out together in this podcast. 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: But for the better part of twenty five years, no 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: one knew the real name of the woman killed in 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: that hit and run. Her death become a case as 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: cold as an early morning frost. That is until FBI 42 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: agent Scott lob got on the case. That was in 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: the mid twenty tens. Other investigators had pieced together that 44 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: the dead woman, Tanya Tadlot, Floyd's supposed wife, was in 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: fact Sharon Marshall, who graduated from Forest Park High School. 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: By then, Agent Law also had a hunch that Sharon 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Marshall wasn't this victim's real name, So he started pulling 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: on some thread. 49 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: But I also wanted that answer to who was Sharon Marshall. 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: He didn't know it then, but finding Sharon's real identity 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: would take him all over the country, from Oklahoma and 52 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: Florida to Michigan, finally to Virginia. He'd have to cut 53 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: through all this young woman's alienses to figure out the 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: name on her birth certificate. This investigation would lead him 55 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: to Sandy's doorstep. He'd be the man to tell Sandy 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: what happened to her little girl decades after she went missing. 57 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: The first he needed to talk to the man who 58 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: last saw Sandy's daughter alive, Franklin Floyd. My name is 59 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Todd Matthews and this is hello John Doe. A sleuth, 60 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: a family, and a serial killer. The story of a 61 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: family torn apart by tragedy and my quest to bring 62 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: them back Together, Chapter six, The Investigation. Scott Lobb's not 63 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: the kind of guy who loves sitting behind a desk. 64 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: Today he's retired, and even in his post career life, 65 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: he's like a worm and hot ashes. The guy can't 66 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: sit still. 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: I am a pilot for a charter company here in 68 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City area. 69 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: So it's no surprise that during his time at the 70 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: FBI in Oklahoma City he loved getting out into the 71 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: field and getting answers digging. Agent Lob is affable and 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: he cares a lot about his work. He talks about 73 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: the cases he's tackled like each one's kept him up 74 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: at night. I know that feeling. There's something really gentle 75 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: about his demeanor. But he's also a zero bullshit kind 76 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: of guy. He ended up fighting for children who were 77 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: victims of violent crimes, even if it ripped his guts 78 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: out time after time. 79 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: It's part of my job, and a lot of people 80 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: in the FBI don't want to work crimes against children. 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: I can understand why children can't fight for themselves, and 82 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: I was more than more than willing to be that 83 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: person when they were lady in any way, shape or 84 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: form to work those investigations and see them to a conclusion. 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: This is where he was when he inherited the Sharon 86 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: Marshall case. 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: The actual folders for the case, I would say would 88 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: stack about six feet high. It's one of the most 89 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: unique cases I was ever involved with. 90 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: About twenty thirteen, Floyd wasn't hard to find. He was 91 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: sitting on Florida's death row serving time for the first 92 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: degree murder of a different young woman in Florida before 93 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: he met Floyd. Agent Lob needed to know the Sharon 94 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: Marshall case inside and out, know it better than Floyd did, 95 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: so he could spot where he might be telling the truth. 96 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: And so I spent the better part of a year 97 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: preparing for that interview by pouring through the case file, 98 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 2: reading every report of interview, listening to every jail call, 99 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: watching every videotape that I could find of him talking 100 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: to the press. 101 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: He also knew that at the FBI Oklahoma sent a 102 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: request to Florida every year to see if Floyd might 103 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: want to talk. Scott read up on those reports too. 104 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: They were one paragraph reports because Floyd just wasn't interested 105 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: in talking. 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Agent lab was convinced that he could get Floyd to 107 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: agree to a meeting, but that still didn't mean he'd 108 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: tell him anything useful. 109 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: I knew from everything that I'd studied that he liked 110 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: to misdirect, He liked to take you down what we 111 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: call rabbit holes, and so that preparation to approach that 112 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: interview was huge. It was key to conducting that successful 113 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: interview with Franklin Floyd. And I also knew that this 114 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a one day thing where we 115 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: show up, so I had requested to be there for 116 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: the entire week. 117 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Plus. He tapped a colleague, Nate for He was a 118 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: skilled interviewer, so skilled the FBI shipped him all over 119 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: the country to teach interrogation classes, and he was exactly 120 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: who Agent lab want him by his side on a 121 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: high stakes assignment like this one. So in the spring 122 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen, the FBI agents flew to Florida. Agent 123 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: Lobb had a lot of questions for Franklin Floyd, but 124 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: he knew he had to focus on that central mystery, 125 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: who was Sharon Marshall. Figuring out Sharon's name could unlike 126 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: other answers down the line, this is about getting to 127 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: the truth, not trying to get a US attorney to 128 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: find more charges against Floyd. 129 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: Further prosecution for a guy on death row would be 130 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: a to me, a waste of resources, a waste of money. 131 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: There might have been some perhaps some sense of justice 132 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: was delivered for victims of Franklin Floyd, but I just wanted. 133 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: The answers not to mention. At this point, Agent Lobb 134 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: didn't know Susie Sabakas aka Sharon Marshall aka and Tanya 135 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: Tadlock had been kidnapped when she was six years old. 136 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: He didn't know she was taken across state lines, which 137 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: would have made it a federal crime. But decades later, 138 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Agent law going to find out who she really was 139 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: and then figure out if Floyd could have been the 140 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: one to kill her, and. 141 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: If so, we want to know why did Floyd kill her. 142 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: That's what was on Agent Lob in first minds when 143 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: they showed up at the Union Correctional Institution in Florida 144 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: in May of twenty fourteen. The trip ittself is pretty straightforward. 145 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: They showed up, go through security, surrendered their phones, walked 146 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: down Death Row and went through security a second time, 147 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: and then walked into a conference room. 148 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: Nate Knight had game planned this before, and it was 149 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: decided that we walked into this room. We instantly knew 150 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: we were going to rearrange it well. In order to 151 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: conduct a really good interview, you don't want to have 152 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: a barrier between you and the person you're talking to, 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: such as a table or a desk, so we pushed 154 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: the table up against a wall. 155 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: When Floyd walked through the door, his appearance surprised Agent lob. 156 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: Honestly, he looked feeble, really, and he's not an imposing 157 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: man physically, but he started talking and he didn't stop. 158 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: He also seemed fairly can confused. For about a decade 159 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: he had remained on death roat, but wasn't put today 160 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: because his lawyer argued that he wasn't mentally confident. 161 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: He thought we were his attorneys. Once we got him 162 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: call him down a little bit and started talking to him, 163 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: we spent really that first morning with him up up 164 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: to lunch. We spent really just trying to build some 165 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: rapport with him. 166 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: Agents lobbin for watch Floyd carefully taking it all in. 167 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: His chair at a forty five degree angle, and I'm 168 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 2: sitting at forty you know, at an angle that I'm 169 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: need a need with him face to face, so I 170 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: could sit there close to him and conduct that interview. 171 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: To make him feel a little bit uncomfortable with that proximity, 172 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: he would try to lean one way or the other. 173 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: I would lean the same way as he did. I 174 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: would mirror his behavior. I'm intently listening to every word 175 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: he says, trying to stay a step or two ahead 176 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: of him to formulate my next question. 177 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: So that's what they did, playing this real life game 178 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: of chess, trying to anticipate Floyd's next move. Even with 179 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: all this preparation, the agents weren't getting much out of Floyd. 180 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: For so long, Floyd had kept up appearances that Susie 181 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: was his daughter named Sharon. Then he told people she 182 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: was his wife, Tanya. He had taken down these lengthy 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: rabbit holes, losing the plot, and Floyd brushed off any 184 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: questions about his so called wife. 185 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: It was more, what do you care about her? She's dead, 186 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: she didn't mean anything to me. Things like that. 187 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: He had woven so many tales over the years, but 188 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: now in prison, he stopped pretending he had ever cared. 189 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: He was callous and combative. 190 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: So we go back that first afternoon and Floyd is 191 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 2: much the same in his attitude. But things started to 192 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: change a little bit. 193 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: Something was different about this day. Agents asked again about 194 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: the woman they knew as Sharon Marshall. 195 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: He had leaned back, he closed his eyes, kind of 196 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: lifted his head a little bit, and he was talking 197 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: about how he had Oh what did he say? 198 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: It was some story about Ben in Florida and then 199 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: going up to New York to visit an old prison 200 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: buddy and taking this big trip up the coast. It 201 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: seemed random. 202 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: He ends up in the Charlotte area of North Carolina 203 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: and got a job as a bus driver. I thought 204 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: he was taking me down another rabbit hole. I'm about 205 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: to put my hand up to cut him off, and 206 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: that's when he leaned back, closed his eyes, lifted his 207 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: head a little bit, and I realized at that point 208 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: he was recalling facts. And he starts telling us how 209 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: he was in a truck stop diner wearing his bus 210 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: driver uniform. He was in training at the time, and 211 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: a waitress had approached him and told him that this 212 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: girl over here wants to meet you, and how he 213 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: met this girl and that turned out to be Sandy 214 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: Brandenburg and got married A few days later, Floyd had 215 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: taken pity on her story that she was about to 216 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: lose her kids to the state and she couldn't provide 217 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: for him, and Floyd decides to marry Sandy. 218 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: This was the first time Floyd talked about Sandy. He 219 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: was remembering the past instead of making it up. Floyd 220 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: talked about Sandy's three daughters and how she had given 221 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: him up. But Wind, I'm back. 222 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: I said, well, tell me about the oldest girl. And 223 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: he goes, well, that's the one you want to know about. 224 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: I said, okay, well tell me about her. And he goes, well, 225 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: I've seen her birth certificate, and I said, okay, where 226 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: was she born? And he told me she was born 227 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: in Lavonia, Michigan. And he said her name was Susanne Sevacas. 228 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: This is a breakthrough. The agent's had something they could 229 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: work with. Floyd was finally making sense. Maybe now he 230 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: has started answering Agent Lobb's other questions. 231 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: And we got a knock on the door and our 232 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: time had ended. 233 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: The FBI agents took what they'd learned and went right 234 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: to work trying to confirm Floyd's story about the oldest girl. 235 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: There was a marriage certificate issued for Sandy Brandenburg and 236 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: a guy named Brandon Cleo Williams, which he had told 237 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: us in that interview that afternoon that that was the 238 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: name he was using in Charlotte, and so like, okay, 239 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: well that's okay, he's telling the truth. 240 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: The next day they found the birth certificate. Bloyd alluded 241 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: to Susann Marie Sebakis born September nineteen sixty nine, the dad, 242 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: Cliff Sebakas, the mother Sandy. 243 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: If we could find the parents, we could get DNA 244 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: samples and run them against the DNA that Sharon or 245 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: Suzanne Sevakas had on file from that hit and run accident. 246 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: And so I think the trooper also told us that 247 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: the father was still alive and lived in Michigan. 248 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: They needed to get to Detroit. If you think it 249 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: was hard to get a serial killer to tell the truth, 250 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: imagine going to tell the divorce parents of a missing 251 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: child that she was now dead. 252 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: I can't think of a good way to approach this 253 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: interview as far as the introduction and how I'm going 254 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: to relate the information to him that we have and 255 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: then ask for a DNA sample. 256 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: Once Agent slobin Fer got to the Detroit Metro Airport, 257 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: the met a trooper and went to the home of 258 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Susie's dad, and. 259 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: I still didn't have a plan. As we were walking 260 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: in the house, he was a little bit curious because 261 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: we cold called and there's two FBI agents and state 262 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: trooper there. 263 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: As it turns out, Cliff and Sandy had not taught 264 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: much since her breakup, so he didn't even realize his 265 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: daughter and go missing. He certainly didn't know she'd been kidnapped. 266 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: And his wife is there with them. They're very nice people. 267 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: And I started telling him a story about this girl 268 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: who was known as Sharon Marshall was killed in Oklahoma 269 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: City and a hit and run accident. 270 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't ringing any bills. 271 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: He had never heard the name before. I go back 272 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: through her timeline, working in reverse, and he's starting to 273 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: kind of figure this out at this point, and I said, 274 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: we believe that Sharon Marshall is your daughter, Suzanne. It 275 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: was thunderstruck. 276 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 3: And it was something I never did and no parent 277 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: ever wants to hear their child go through the existence 278 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: that she had to live for twenty years. 279 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: That, of course, his Cliffs of Vegas, Susie's biological father. 280 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: He'd barely known her, and now it was too late. 281 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: It hit him like a ton of bricks, as you 282 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: can expect. 283 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: And of course nothing to be done about it, just 284 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: kind of the heartbroken. That's about all you can do. 285 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: After Sanny and Cliff got divorced, he had seen Susie 286 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: one time, but that's it. 287 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: I think his last contact maybe seventy four, somewhere in 288 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: the mid seventies, early to mid seventies. 289 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: It's like kid hit on the head with a pillow 290 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: pace full of rocks. 291 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Clip and his second while I've had kids with their own, 292 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: a boy and a girl. He had built a career 293 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: in radio and then advertising. This news drop kicked him 294 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: out of his present life, into the past and into 295 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: a dark place. 296 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: It was very tough. 297 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: I lived with it every minute of the day for 298 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: a good year, and I put it to bed and 299 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: it comes back up again. 300 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: It's Tommy Humilidy. 301 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: I wish Clip had known Susie, wished he'd help raise her, 302 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: been a father to her before she was kidnapped. Cliff 303 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: wasn't part of Susie's life, but he would forever be 304 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: a part of her story after her death. Next the 305 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: fat agents left to track down Susie's mother, the one 306 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: who'd last seen her, Sandy. On a hot, humid day 307 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: in July twenty fourteen, agents Lob and fer landed in Norfolk, Virginia. 308 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: There they rented a car and drove across the bridge 309 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: tunnel to Newport News, where then knew Sandy was living. 310 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: At the time. They knocked on the door. Dorothy, Sandy's youngest, 311 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: answered and they. 312 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: Were like, I'm looking for Sandra Chipman or Sandra Willett. 313 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: I said, that's my mom. 314 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: This time, Agents Lob and for had a plan. They 315 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: had a photo of Susie sitting on Floyd's lap, and. 316 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: It's commonly believed to be a church directory photo, which 317 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: turned out it was. And I had our photographer in 318 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City separate those two, and so I had a 319 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: picture of just Suzanne and a picture of just Floyd. 320 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: It shown it cleft, but got no reaction. 321 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: This time was different, and I did say, there's this 322 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: girl in Oklahoma City and started walking it back and 323 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: her daughter starts crying. Her daughter immediately realizes where I'm 324 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: going with this. 325 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 4: I immediately got up and I pulled the picture of 326 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 4: my mom and her sister down from the shelf in 327 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: my bedroom and showed them. 328 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: I was like, that's identical. 329 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 4: I cried. 330 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: Sandy came into the room and talked to the ay 331 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: agents orself. 332 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 5: They said, do you know this man? 333 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: She says, without any hesitation. 334 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's Brandon Williams. 335 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: And he stole my daughter, Susie. And I thought to myself, well, 336 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: we got the right place, that's for sure. 337 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 5: And they said, do you know this girl? And I said, 338 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 5: that's my daughter. Where's my daughter? And he said she's dead. 339 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: I showed her the pictures, Suzanne, and she's crying at 340 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: this point, and she told her story, and she did 341 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: say that they were in Dallas, that she had been 342 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: arrested for writing a hot check at a seven to eleven. 343 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: It's the same story she telled me. 344 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 2: And that sounded a little harsh to me for a 345 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: hot check for I think it was a dollar seven 346 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: for some diapers, one dollar seven cents. But that's her story. 347 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: So I'm just taking the notes. And she gets out 348 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: of jail. This would have been November. I think she 349 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: went in in October, got out in November of nineteen 350 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 2: seventy five, and went back to the apartment that they 351 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: all shared, and the girls were gone, Floyd was going. 352 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: She tried to go to the Dallas Police Department. They 353 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: didn't want anything to do with her. She said. She 354 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: tried to go to the FBI. They didn't want anything 355 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: to do with her. 356 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: It was a lifetime. She saw Susie and the last 357 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: time she saw Floyd, the FBI was telling her that 358 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: her daughter was dead. 359 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 5: I just completely broke down, completely broke down. 360 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: After she collected Durslail, she had another question about her 361 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: other missing child. 362 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 5: I said, well, did you find Steve? And they said, 363 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 5: who's Steve? I said, Steve's my little boy. Did you 364 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 5: find him too? They didn't know anything about Steve. 365 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: The timeline didn't make a lot of sense to me 366 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: of when she was in North Carolina and when that 367 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: boy was born, and she didn't really have as I remember, 368 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: a good explanation of what Floyd did with that boy, 369 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: other than she said he gave him to somebody else 370 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: living in the same trailer park. I just didn't believe 371 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: that boy was born at all. So we did some 372 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: due diligence. We contacted North Carolina, asked about adoption records 373 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: and so forth, and they didn't have anything. They didn't 374 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: there's nothing on file. 375 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: God damn it to hell. This explains why I had 376 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: such a hard time tracking Steve down later on. The 377 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: FBI didn't think you existed period. Agent Lobb explained this 378 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: to us that he felt he had done the best 379 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: he could define Steve. 380 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: I don't mean to sound callous about that, but I'm 381 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: happy that we were able to close that loop. 382 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Agent Lobb even offered to speak to Steve if you 383 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: wanted to hear the story from him. 384 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: You can give him my contact information if he's willing 385 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: to do it, or if he even wants to do it. 386 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: I know it's tough what he's gone through. I'm willing 387 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: to try to answer any questions he might have. 388 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: I told Steve about Agent Lob in the File of 389 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Steve never called him. Scott Lob's exhaustive 390 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: investigation resolved the big mystery of Sharon Marshall's real name. 391 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: Now he could figure out what really happened to her 392 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: and how Floyd got away with it for so long. 393 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: Before he left, Agent Lob gave Sandy a suggestion, they say, 394 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: read Matt's book. He was talking about a book called 395 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: a Beautiful Child, written by Matt Burkbank. It came out 396 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, so a full decade before 397 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: Agent lob meant Sandy. The book told the story of 398 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: a woman many you as Sharon Marshall, how she was 399 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: kidnapped and raised by Floyd. The author didn't know that 400 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: Sharon was actually Susie. He hadn't connected those dots yet, 401 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: but the details of her life on the room with 402 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: Floyd were inside that book, including the abuse. 403 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: The reason I did that and told her to read 404 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 2: that book was because Matt Birkbeck had put in a 405 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 2: lot of effort into writing that book and really knew 406 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: the history of how she bounced around the country of 407 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: Franklin Floyd. I read the book too, but I'm I 408 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: told her. I said, I'm going to warn you it's 409 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: not pleasant. 410 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: Once the agents left town, Sandy was left alone with 411 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: their emotions and this new book she was told to read. 412 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 6: After they left, I locked myself in the room, didn't 413 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 6: come out for a couple of days. But that's either 414 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 6: here nor there. But I was just in total shocks 415 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 6: the whole time he was sitting there and telling me 416 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 6: that Susie was dead. 417 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: She couldn't believe it. She figured Susie was alive and 418 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with her. 419 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 6: Up until the day the FBI agent showed up at 420 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 6: my house. I finally believed Susie was still alive. I 421 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 6: mean sometimes I threw the book against the wall. Sometimes 422 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 6: I screamed, sometimes I cried. It was like reading a 423 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 6: horror story that you're a part of, but not a 424 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 6: part of. 425 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: No. 426 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 6: I went all the way through it within a couple 427 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 6: of days. Then I put it a science for about 428 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 6: a month, and then I started going through a piece 429 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 6: by t After I read the book, I considered killing myself. No, 430 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 6: it wouldn't have helped my other kids, and that's what 431 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 6: stopped me. 432 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: I can't imagine how hard this must have been for Sandy. 433 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: For years, she was hoping one day her daughter would 434 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: come back. Instead, she had a unique kind of heartbreak. 435 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: People had read Burt Bett's book, had found out what 436 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: happened to Susie before she had. Sandy felt helpless. 437 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 6: I looked back, and I was in Tulsa and he 438 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 6: was in Tulsa with her, and I could what could 439 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 6: I have done to find yours that I didn't do 440 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 6: when I was in Tulsa. 441 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: There were, of course good parts in the book, like 442 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: how Susie was on her way to Georgia tech. 443 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 6: I did find out she could have done so much 444 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 6: more if you weren't involved with her life. When she 445 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 6: was five and six and they said what do you 446 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 6: want to be when you grow up, she used to say, 447 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 6: I want to go to the moon. 448 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: In this period of total despair, Sandy found something that 449 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: helped her. 450 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 6: I wrote journals. I wrote the journal after journal after 451 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 6: journal every day. In fact, I'd just gotten rid of 452 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 6: a bunch of them because there were things in as 453 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 6: Jordaline didn't want my kids to read. 454 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: Sandy's husband of thirty years died in August of twenty ten, 455 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: but she started writing to him anyway. 456 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 6: I would write, I call my husband Sonny, but I 457 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 6: would write to Sonny every day, like, you know, all 458 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 6: this has happened, and you're not here to help me, 459 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 6: and you really know what to do, and I don't 460 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 6: know what to do. 461 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: It's hard to really say it, but I've told you 462 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm friends with a lot of dead people. There's something 463 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: about this work that's made me a little bit spiritual. 464 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: There's a part of me that believes they're not as 465 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: far away as we might think. I know what it 466 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: sounds like, but it's often helped me in these really 467 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: dark times. I don't know. I guess I just thought 468 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: maybe Sandy wasn't as far away from her daughter as 469 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: she thought. If you could say something to Susanne, what 470 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: would you. 471 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: Say to her? 472 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: I love you, I miss her. Amy Winkles had the 473 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: grievous sister she never really knew. She's been thinking about 474 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: what she would have said to her too. 475 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 7: Sorry I couldn't help her. I wish we wouldn't known 476 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 7: each other, but I feel like I should have helped her. 477 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 7: But I couldn't help her. I think we would have 478 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 7: been good friends. We could have died in trouble together. 479 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: With Sandy's DNA in hand, the FBI agents flew back 480 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: to Oklamba City and sent the samples to a. 481 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: Lamb The DNA matter both the father and the mother, 482 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: and it came back as a confirmation that the girl 483 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: who was killed in Oklahoma City was Suzanne Sevakas. 484 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: Getting her name was the crucial part of figuring out 485 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: what her story was. 486 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: She was unknown, and you know, through Nate and I's work, 487 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: we were able to give her her name back. Even 488 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: though she's. 489 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: Gone for a while. Agent's Lob and for continue to 490 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: visit Floyd in prison. They were pretty sure he kills Susie, 491 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: but still didn't know his motive. 492 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: That was one thing he just would not talk about 493 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: on all three visits was why he killed Suzanne. Floyd 494 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: raised that girl. Floyd had a long long standing tie 495 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: to that girl, from the time he took her to 496 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: the time she died in Oklahoma City, and I thought 497 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 2: that question would have been the most painful for him. 498 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: That's why I saved it for last. 499 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: The Floyd stayed mom. Agent Lob had his own theories. 500 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's speculation that she was leaving him, she was running, 501 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: and that Floyd found her somehow in Oklahoma City. That 502 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: could be true. I don't think we'll ever know the 503 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: answer to that question. 504 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: When I think of what Floyd got away with, I'm 505 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: spitting man pissed. He stole Susie from her family, he 506 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: abused Susie for most of her life and was never 507 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: held responsible for a murder. It's kind of hard to 508 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: make peace with that, especially considering Floyd. I also came 509 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: for Susie's son, the school age boy named Michael, the 510 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: boy who had gone missing in nineteen ninety four, one 511 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: of the two I've become obsessed with about twenty years ago. 512 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: Kidnapping him was the federal crime that put Floyd behind bars. 513 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Next time on Hello John. 514 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: Doe, Michael Anthony Hughes had been taken to a safe place, 515 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: Floyd would say. 516 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 6: Floyd would also say the boy was his son. 517 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 4: My nephew. 518 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: He was just innocent. It took yeah, thirty to forty 519 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: five minutes before I finally said, we're not your attorneys, 520 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: We're FBI agents. We're here to talk to you about Michael. 521 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: He I said, I've reopened the investigation, and he looked 522 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: at me and says, what, I appreciate it if you 523 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: close it. 524 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Hello John Doe is an original productions by Revelations Entertainment 525 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: in association with First and Last Productions from Revelations. Our 526 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: executive producers are Morgan Freeman and James Younger From First 527 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: to Last. Lindsay Moreno is the executive producer. Our producing 528 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: partner is Neo on Hume Media. It was written and 529 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: produced by Kate Michigan. Our editor is Katherine Saint Louis. 530 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: She is also nio on Home Media's executive editor. Our 531 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: executive producer is Sharah Morris. Our development producer is Ian Lindsay. 532 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: Our associate producer is Grufaro Faith Masarua. Sound design and 533 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: mixing by Scott Summerville. Theme and original music composed by 534 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: Jesse Pearlsteiner. Additional music came from Epidemic Sound and Blue 535 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: Dot Sessions. Ndall Faulton is our fact checker. Our production 536 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: manager is Samantha Allison from my Heart Media. Dylan Fagan 537 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: is our executive producer. Special thanks to Adelia Ruben at 538 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Nion Hum and Carrie Lieberman and Will Pearson at iHeartMedia. 539 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm Todd Matthews. You can learn more about name this 540 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: at NamUs dot com. The number for the National Center 541 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: for Missing Exploited Children's Call Center is one eight hundred 542 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: the loss That's one eight hundred eight four three five 543 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: six seven eight. The National Sexual Assault Hotline from the 544 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: Rate Abuse and Incest National Network is one eight hundred 545 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: six five six four six seven three. Okay, guys, this 546 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: is the end of the show. If you didn't like it, 547 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: don't do anything. But if you did like it, you 548 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 1: make sure that you rate and review the show. It 549 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: helps more people to find it and hear this wonderful story. 550 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: Thanks again for listening.