1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,986 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. I don't even know how to respond to 3 00:00:18,026 --> 00:00:22,146 Speaker 1: all this new environment, new studio, no desk. I'm like, 4 00:00:22,146 --> 00:00:23,626 Speaker 1: should I have worn the g I don't even know 5 00:00:23,666 --> 00:00:25,586 Speaker 1: what's going on here, but I do know it is 6 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:28,626 Speaker 1: a brand new edition of NFL Explained. We got the 7 00:00:28,706 --> 00:00:31,306 Speaker 1: NFL Draft, which is around the corner here. I know 8 00:00:31,666 --> 00:00:33,746 Speaker 1: you are excited. Oh yeah, by the way, screwbol Chap, 9 00:00:33,786 --> 00:00:37,146 Speaker 1: Michael Robinson, Mike cam with you. April thirtieth, two thousand 10 00:00:37,266 --> 00:00:42,026 Speaker 1: and six. That date should resonate. It should It didn't 11 00:00:42,106 --> 00:00:43,986 Speaker 1: until I read a little bit of what was going 12 00:00:44,026 --> 00:00:45,946 Speaker 1: on today about the show, and then I did not 13 00:00:46,106 --> 00:00:48,826 Speaker 1: know that long ago. That's when I got drafted. It 14 00:00:48,866 --> 00:00:52,026 Speaker 1: was April thirtieth, and you know what, I had a 15 00:00:52,106 --> 00:00:55,106 Speaker 1: draft party, two yams. Did I did? I thought? You know? 16 00:00:55,506 --> 00:00:58,386 Speaker 1: So look, let me tell you a little story. Another 17 00:00:58,426 --> 00:01:01,626 Speaker 1: network with four letters. I can't say that that other network, 18 00:01:01,666 --> 00:01:04,426 Speaker 1: but it's another four letter network, not the NFL network, 19 00:01:04,466 --> 00:01:06,866 Speaker 1: but another network said hey, Mike, we want to send 20 00:01:06,866 --> 00:01:09,666 Speaker 1: some cameras to where you're gonna be at for the draft. 21 00:01:09,706 --> 00:01:11,946 Speaker 1: And in two thousand and six. The first three rounds 22 00:01:12,026 --> 00:01:13,706 Speaker 1: was on the first night, and then the second day 23 00:01:13,866 --> 00:01:17,586 Speaker 1: was the next four rounds, and so I said, you know, 24 00:01:17,666 --> 00:01:19,186 Speaker 1: I don't think I want a camera man because what 25 00:01:19,306 --> 00:01:21,706 Speaker 1: if I do not go where I think? And all 26 00:01:21,706 --> 00:01:24,146 Speaker 1: these teams are telling me I'm gonna go, And everybody said, hey, Mike, 27 00:01:24,186 --> 00:01:28,106 Speaker 1: you're gonna be probably second third round. That's like your 28 00:01:28,146 --> 00:01:30,946 Speaker 1: ceiling your floors, like you know, bottom of the fourth 29 00:01:30,986 --> 00:01:33,586 Speaker 1: or fifth, and I'm like, okay, all right. Third round 30 00:01:33,626 --> 00:01:38,386 Speaker 1: came around. I had the Pittsburgh Steelers callman. They said, hey, Mike, 31 00:01:39,506 --> 00:01:42,026 Speaker 1: we got two picks in this round. You're gonna be 32 00:01:42,066 --> 00:01:44,306 Speaker 1: one of them. If the board falls the way we 33 00:01:44,386 --> 00:01:46,706 Speaker 1: think it's gonna fall, you're gonna be one of them. 34 00:01:46,866 --> 00:01:49,746 Speaker 1: I never forget their first pick came up. I think 35 00:01:49,746 --> 00:01:53,226 Speaker 1: they drafted at the time. It was a kick return specialist. 36 00:01:53,346 --> 00:01:55,866 Speaker 1: I think his name was Willie Read out of Florida State. 37 00:01:56,386 --> 00:01:58,186 Speaker 1: We had just played Florida State in Orange Bowl. That's 38 00:01:58,186 --> 00:02:00,346 Speaker 1: why I resonated so much with me. Okay, so I 39 00:02:00,386 --> 00:02:03,106 Speaker 1: knew exactly who the guy was. The second third round pick, 40 00:02:03,186 --> 00:02:05,186 Speaker 1: I think it was a quarterback maybe or something like that, 41 00:02:05,186 --> 00:02:08,306 Speaker 1: out of Bowling Green I could be wrong about some 42 00:02:08,346 --> 00:02:11,266 Speaker 1: of the players, but those two guys stood out of 43 00:02:11,306 --> 00:02:13,386 Speaker 1: my mind, and I'm thinking I didn't go in the 44 00:02:13,506 --> 00:02:15,626 Speaker 1: third where they told me I would go, and they 45 00:02:15,666 --> 00:02:17,866 Speaker 1: picked two positions that I know how to play. I 46 00:02:17,866 --> 00:02:19,986 Speaker 1: can return kicks and I can play quarterback. So I 47 00:02:20,026 --> 00:02:22,386 Speaker 1: was a little upset on draft night, but it was 48 00:02:22,426 --> 00:02:24,506 Speaker 1: all good. I ended up getting drafted. It ended up 49 00:02:24,706 --> 00:02:27,146 Speaker 1: it worked. Yeah, it worked out. So you just mentioned 50 00:02:27,146 --> 00:02:28,626 Speaker 1: you got a phone call, and I start to think 51 00:02:28,626 --> 00:02:30,826 Speaker 1: about all the images when we watched the draft of 52 00:02:30,866 --> 00:02:33,826 Speaker 1: guys getting the call. I always just kind of assumed 53 00:02:33,826 --> 00:02:35,666 Speaker 1: once you got the call, then you knew. But you're 54 00:02:35,706 --> 00:02:37,386 Speaker 1: telling me you got a call, and it didn't play 55 00:02:37,386 --> 00:02:40,666 Speaker 1: out that way. No, it didn't got the call, and mean, yams, 56 00:02:40,666 --> 00:02:42,666 Speaker 1: you got any stand Bro. I had just bought a 57 00:02:42,706 --> 00:02:44,946 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven because it was in two thousand 58 00:02:44,946 --> 00:02:47,466 Speaker 1: and six, so you know the next year is the 59 00:02:47,506 --> 00:02:48,946 Speaker 1: one that comes out. So I just bought a two 60 00:02:48,986 --> 00:02:52,146 Speaker 1: thousand and seven Chevy Tahoe. Bro. That's when they just 61 00:02:52,266 --> 00:02:55,066 Speaker 1: changed the body styles a little bit more aerial dynamic. 62 00:02:55,106 --> 00:02:57,826 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm telling you, Bro, I drove it right 63 00:02:57,986 --> 00:03:00,306 Speaker 1: off the car like I brought off the showroom floor. 64 00:03:00,346 --> 00:03:01,946 Speaker 1: They opened the big doors from me and I drove 65 00:03:01,986 --> 00:03:04,986 Speaker 1: it off. I bought that truck the day before the 66 00:03:05,026 --> 00:03:07,186 Speaker 1: first three rounds and I'm thinking, okay, I'm going I'm 67 00:03:07,226 --> 00:03:09,066 Speaker 1: gonna have some money to pay for this, and bro, 68 00:03:09,186 --> 00:03:13,026 Speaker 1: you when that third round ended and my name wasn't called, 69 00:03:13,106 --> 00:03:16,186 Speaker 1: you can ask the car and I'm like, yo, I 70 00:03:16,306 --> 00:03:18,546 Speaker 1: can't pay by my car. I had to get my 71 00:03:18,586 --> 00:03:21,586 Speaker 1: car back. I was so hurt. I didn't really understand 72 00:03:21,586 --> 00:03:23,626 Speaker 1: the business of the National Football League in that time. 73 00:03:23,666 --> 00:03:25,506 Speaker 1: But uh, I ended up going the next day, so 74 00:03:25,546 --> 00:03:27,866 Speaker 1: it's all good. So it is all good, typically speaking 75 00:03:27,866 --> 00:03:31,146 Speaker 1: though that experience, because we always, even on NFL Network 76 00:03:31,146 --> 00:03:33,866 Speaker 1: on draft Day, we're playing a lot of the videos 77 00:03:34,026 --> 00:03:36,186 Speaker 1: of the guys actually getting the calls because the camera 78 00:03:36,226 --> 00:03:38,946 Speaker 1: crews are obviously, uh you know, in the team draft 79 00:03:39,026 --> 00:03:41,946 Speaker 1: rooms and then we have cameras around those players. Every 80 00:03:41,986 --> 00:03:43,666 Speaker 1: time we get one of those one of those calls, 81 00:03:43,666 --> 00:03:45,666 Speaker 1: it's a guy, Hey, how do you feel about being 82 00:03:45,866 --> 00:03:48,186 Speaker 1: you know what York Giant or New York Jet or 83 00:03:48,186 --> 00:03:51,586 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. I hadn't I didn't realize 84 00:03:51,586 --> 00:03:54,506 Speaker 1: that those calls actually happened. When it Oh yeah, they 85 00:03:54,546 --> 00:03:57,226 Speaker 1: call you hey, say hey, um, you know we think 86 00:03:57,266 --> 00:03:58,706 Speaker 1: about you. You know what I mean, We just want 87 00:03:58,706 --> 00:04:01,506 Speaker 1: to get you ready, And it just so happened. From 88 00:04:01,506 --> 00:04:05,346 Speaker 1: a television standpoint, what we see is what we're allowed 89 00:04:05,386 --> 00:04:08,266 Speaker 1: to see. I think sometimes we don't always see those 90 00:04:08,266 --> 00:04:11,186 Speaker 1: calls that happened, because the next morning it was the 91 00:04:11,226 --> 00:04:15,226 Speaker 1: fourth round and I woke up to having nine missed 92 00:04:15,306 --> 00:04:17,746 Speaker 1: calls from a four weight number and I had, and 93 00:04:17,786 --> 00:04:19,706 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, what the hell is this? Like 94 00:04:20,066 --> 00:04:24,066 Speaker 1: somebody spamming me or something. Finally I pick up one 95 00:04:24,106 --> 00:04:26,786 Speaker 1: of those calls. It's Scott McCluin and the general manager 96 00:04:26,826 --> 00:04:28,986 Speaker 1: for the sever Sico forty nine ers, and I ain't 97 00:04:28,986 --> 00:04:30,946 Speaker 1: gonnat of. He said, yeah, I'm Scott and mclun I said, 98 00:04:30,946 --> 00:04:34,306 Speaker 1: for real, stop playing hung up on him because I 99 00:04:34,346 --> 00:04:35,986 Speaker 1: was upset. I was supposed to go on third round out, 100 00:04:35,986 --> 00:04:38,146 Speaker 1: so they told me, you know what I'm saying. And 101 00:04:38,186 --> 00:04:40,546 Speaker 1: then he called back and he said, don't hang up, 102 00:04:40,546 --> 00:04:42,986 Speaker 1: and he was laughing because he knew I was upset 103 00:04:43,026 --> 00:04:45,186 Speaker 1: because they were in the Senior Bowl and I was 104 00:04:45,226 --> 00:04:46,586 Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl, so they I kind of knew 105 00:04:46,626 --> 00:04:48,466 Speaker 1: what type of person I was. He said, Man, I'm 106 00:04:48,506 --> 00:04:51,506 Speaker 1: telling you, bro, we got the second pick today. We 107 00:04:51,546 --> 00:04:53,306 Speaker 1: don't have to have the board fall to us. We 108 00:04:53,426 --> 00:04:55,426 Speaker 1: know exactly who we want. We're gonna pick you up. 109 00:04:55,426 --> 00:04:58,546 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I don't believe it until I actually 110 00:04:58,586 --> 00:05:03,066 Speaker 1: see whoever's calling the picks out today. Save my name goodbye. 111 00:05:03,226 --> 00:05:06,026 Speaker 1: And then they called my name and I was yeah, 112 00:05:06,106 --> 00:05:08,626 Speaker 1: all the emotions came then, Yeah, because your dreams come true. 113 00:05:08,706 --> 00:05:10,386 Speaker 1: You had told me this a while ago. We were 114 00:05:10,386 --> 00:05:13,066 Speaker 1: doing our Super Bowl episode and you said, I think 115 00:05:13,106 --> 00:05:18,266 Speaker 1: four tickets the players were allotted. So you said, if 116 00:05:18,386 --> 00:05:20,906 Speaker 1: you helped me move into Penn State, you were getting 117 00:05:21,226 --> 00:05:24,866 Speaker 1: absolutely right. The draft party, by the way, I would 118 00:05:24,866 --> 00:05:28,866 Speaker 1: assume it was larger than just it was larger, but 119 00:05:28,946 --> 00:05:31,626 Speaker 1: it was just it was still more of the closer 120 00:05:31,666 --> 00:05:34,306 Speaker 1: people in my network, like we had. I had some 121 00:05:34,346 --> 00:05:36,586 Speaker 1: of the other guys at Penn State who was getting drafted. 122 00:05:36,586 --> 00:05:38,706 Speaker 1: Tombahali and those guys were around. But at the end 123 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:40,226 Speaker 1: of the day, no, man, it's about the people that 124 00:05:40,306 --> 00:05:41,906 Speaker 1: helped get you there. You just want to share in 125 00:05:41,906 --> 00:05:43,586 Speaker 1: a moment with them, all right. So on this episode, 126 00:05:43,586 --> 00:05:46,066 Speaker 1: we're going to go through the NFL Draft. We're getting 127 00:05:46,066 --> 00:05:48,466 Speaker 1: you ready and just giving you some context on just 128 00:05:48,506 --> 00:05:50,986 Speaker 1: sort of the history and maybe some trends that could 129 00:05:51,066 --> 00:05:53,346 Speaker 1: even impact what we're going to see at the end 130 00:05:53,386 --> 00:05:55,346 Speaker 1: of April. But let's start with the quarterbacks here. It 131 00:05:55,346 --> 00:05:58,146 Speaker 1: really shouldn't come to anyone's surprise that that has been 132 00:05:58,186 --> 00:06:02,386 Speaker 1: the most taken position in the Common Draft era, or 133 00:06:02,506 --> 00:06:06,546 Speaker 1: since nineteen sixty seven. Twenty six times signal caller has 134 00:06:06,546 --> 00:06:10,986 Speaker 1: gone number one overall. Defensive ends next at thirteen taken 135 00:06:10,986 --> 00:06:13,506 Speaker 1: in that top spot six of the last eight number 136 00:06:13,506 --> 00:06:15,586 Speaker 1: ones have been quarterbacks. But the hit rate over that 137 00:06:15,626 --> 00:06:19,746 Speaker 1: spam it has been underwhelming, to say the least. In fact, 138 00:06:19,746 --> 00:06:21,666 Speaker 1: you got to go back to twenty eleven the top pick, 139 00:06:21,746 --> 00:06:23,786 Speaker 1: Cam Newton that year. If you want to find a 140 00:06:23,826 --> 00:06:26,466 Speaker 1: quarterback that went one overall that was also named to 141 00:06:26,506 --> 00:06:28,906 Speaker 1: an All Pro team prior to that, you got to 142 00:06:28,946 --> 00:06:32,226 Speaker 1: go to Peyton Manning, who was drafted in nineteen ninety eight. 143 00:06:32,306 --> 00:06:34,986 Speaker 1: Another crazy staff for you, m Rob the New York Jets, 144 00:06:35,026 --> 00:06:40,026 Speaker 1: who have been much discussed in recent weeks. You're not 145 00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:42,586 Speaker 1: alone Mark Sanchez. They drafted him in two thousand nine. 146 00:06:42,626 --> 00:06:45,586 Speaker 1: Geno Smith, congrats to him. They took him in twenty thirteen. 147 00:06:45,626 --> 00:06:48,266 Speaker 1: Of course, Gino just getting a new deal with the Seahawks. 148 00:06:48,266 --> 00:06:52,586 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold in twenty eighteen. After three seasons, all of 149 00:06:52,586 --> 00:06:55,946 Speaker 1: them had the worst passer rating in the league. It 150 00:06:55,986 --> 00:06:58,906 Speaker 1: actually doesn't get much better. They drafted Zach Wilson in 151 00:06:58,946 --> 00:07:02,146 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one after two seasons, he's got the worst 152 00:07:02,146 --> 00:07:04,306 Speaker 1: passer rating in the league. So you can make a 153 00:07:04,306 --> 00:07:07,306 Speaker 1: comment about drafting and the way it sounds like we're 154 00:07:07,346 --> 00:07:08,866 Speaker 1: picking on the Jets. I don't mean to pick on 155 00:07:08,906 --> 00:07:11,546 Speaker 1: the Jets. There's a lot of teams that you can 156 00:07:11,586 --> 00:07:14,106 Speaker 1: look at their draft history. It's not a perfect song 157 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:17,746 Speaker 1: spitting facts though. It's not like you're making this up 158 00:07:17,866 --> 00:07:19,746 Speaker 1: or you know, putting it in a certain these are 159 00:07:19,786 --> 00:07:22,506 Speaker 1: just straight facts. They draft a quarterback seems like every 160 00:07:22,506 --> 00:07:24,546 Speaker 1: three or four years. Okay, so last year in the 161 00:07:24,626 --> 00:07:27,026 Speaker 1: draft we saw Rock Party mister Irrelevant, which means the 162 00:07:27,146 --> 00:07:31,946 Speaker 1: last pick in the draft. Star obviously led that team 163 00:07:32,026 --> 00:07:35,306 Speaker 1: into the postseason. It got me thinking, here, does it 164 00:07:35,466 --> 00:07:38,306 Speaker 1: make sense, no matter where you're picking, because most teams 165 00:07:38,346 --> 00:07:41,146 Speaker 1: have multiple picks in the NFL draft, to take a 166 00:07:41,226 --> 00:07:45,826 Speaker 1: quarterback every single year? I would say, yeah, why not? Right? 167 00:07:45,826 --> 00:07:49,426 Speaker 1: They become tangible assets for you later on you know, 168 00:07:49,466 --> 00:07:52,186 Speaker 1: but just and I think it underscores the fact that 169 00:07:52,306 --> 00:07:56,306 Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of these human beings walking 170 00:07:56,346 --> 00:08:00,186 Speaker 1: the planet that can win a game exclusively off of 171 00:08:00,226 --> 00:08:02,786 Speaker 1: the skill sets that they possess, whether it's their arm, 172 00:08:02,866 --> 00:08:06,146 Speaker 1: their running ability, whatever the case may be. And the 173 00:08:06,226 --> 00:08:08,586 Speaker 1: quarterback position is more about than what you just do 174 00:08:08,666 --> 00:08:10,666 Speaker 1: it on the football field, right, It's about what's going 175 00:08:10,706 --> 00:08:12,586 Speaker 1: on in the locker room. It's about how you carry 176 00:08:12,626 --> 00:08:16,026 Speaker 1: that message from that locker room and permeated throughout the community. 177 00:08:16,066 --> 00:08:18,786 Speaker 1: You're literally the face of the franchise. So it's a 178 00:08:18,786 --> 00:08:22,026 Speaker 1: lot that goes along with that. But yeah, I would 179 00:08:22,106 --> 00:08:24,426 Speaker 1: draft a quarterback no matter when. Now you can make 180 00:08:24,426 --> 00:08:27,186 Speaker 1: an argument about drafting them in the first round, I think, 181 00:08:27,226 --> 00:08:29,066 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, if it gets 182 00:08:29,106 --> 00:08:32,666 Speaker 1: late in the draft and you've met the needs of 183 00:08:32,706 --> 00:08:35,186 Speaker 1: your team, if a quarterback is the next guy on 184 00:08:35,186 --> 00:08:37,186 Speaker 1: your board, why not take them. Eventually it might turn 185 00:08:37,226 --> 00:08:39,346 Speaker 1: into picks for you. So think about it. Let's spend 186 00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:42,986 Speaker 1: ahead here to this year's NFL draft, because we know 187 00:08:43,346 --> 00:08:45,146 Speaker 1: the quarterback spot, which by the way, we did a 188 00:08:45,146 --> 00:08:48,586 Speaker 1: whole episode on quarterbacks and the evaluation and who the 189 00:08:48,586 --> 00:08:51,826 Speaker 1: goat is highly encourage you guys to go and check 190 00:08:51,866 --> 00:08:54,346 Speaker 1: that episode out. But this year it's a little tough. 191 00:08:54,386 --> 00:08:56,946 Speaker 1: You got four quarterbacks that potentially could go in the 192 00:08:56,946 --> 00:08:58,906 Speaker 1: first round. By all accounts, that looks like that's going 193 00:08:58,986 --> 00:09:00,946 Speaker 1: to be the case. And maybe there's a fifth in 194 00:09:01,066 --> 00:09:03,266 Speaker 1: Hendon Hooker out of Tennessee. But the point is, in 195 00:09:03,266 --> 00:09:06,746 Speaker 1: no particular order. CJ. Stroud, Brcy come to mind, Anthony 196 00:09:06,866 --> 00:09:10,506 Speaker 1: Richardson and Will Levis. All of those guys, we saw 197 00:09:10,546 --> 00:09:13,706 Speaker 1: them at the combine. Bryce was the only one who 198 00:09:13,706 --> 00:09:16,706 Speaker 1: didn't throw. They all do things a little bit differently. 199 00:09:16,746 --> 00:09:18,586 Speaker 1: So if you're a general manager, take me through that 200 00:09:18,586 --> 00:09:21,706 Speaker 1: evaluation process. You need a quarterback. You're in the first round. 201 00:09:21,746 --> 00:09:24,386 Speaker 1: Maybe you got a quarterback already. Maybe you know, you 202 00:09:24,386 --> 00:09:26,786 Speaker 1: look at Anthony Richardson and you speculate maybe he could 203 00:09:26,786 --> 00:09:30,626 Speaker 1: be a developmental project. How do you evaluate where you're 204 00:09:30,666 --> 00:09:33,386 Speaker 1: going to take those guys and what they potentially could 205 00:09:33,426 --> 00:09:36,026 Speaker 1: be at the NFL level. Because the other guys, by 206 00:09:36,026 --> 00:09:37,786 Speaker 1: the way that the Jets took that I made reference to, 207 00:09:38,186 --> 00:09:40,306 Speaker 1: we thought they were pretty good quarterbacks, right like the 208 00:09:40,426 --> 00:09:43,466 Speaker 1: Jets took those guys in the first round. We thought 209 00:09:43,506 --> 00:09:46,426 Speaker 1: they were going to have success there's no perfect science 210 00:09:46,466 --> 00:09:49,426 Speaker 1: to explaining what a guy is going to do on Sundays. No, 211 00:09:49,506 --> 00:09:53,106 Speaker 1: it's no perfect science. That's why I think the decision 212 00:09:53,106 --> 00:09:55,946 Speaker 1: makers of every organization you have to have the knowledge itself. 213 00:09:56,066 --> 00:09:57,666 Speaker 1: What I mean by that is the knowledge of your 214 00:09:57,746 --> 00:10:02,906 Speaker 1: organization to understand your coaching staff. It's about developing these kids. 215 00:10:02,946 --> 00:10:06,186 Speaker 1: It's about making sure you got the guy to communicate 216 00:10:06,226 --> 00:10:08,546 Speaker 1: with him. For instance, I remember talking to coach Hardball 217 00:10:08,786 --> 00:10:11,946 Speaker 1: from the Ravens a few years ago at an owner's 218 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:14,826 Speaker 1: meeting and we were talking about Lamar, and you know, 219 00:10:14,826 --> 00:10:16,666 Speaker 1: it was very excited about Lamar. I think this was 220 00:10:16,666 --> 00:10:18,626 Speaker 1: the year before Lamar was about to win the MVP 221 00:10:18,786 --> 00:10:21,906 Speaker 1: or whatever, and he was very excited. And I said, well, coach, 222 00:10:21,946 --> 00:10:24,226 Speaker 1: who do you having the building to actually talk to 223 00:10:24,306 --> 00:10:27,706 Speaker 1: Lamar that Lamar respects from a player's standpoint or whatever 224 00:10:27,706 --> 00:10:29,466 Speaker 1: the case may be. And he kind of just looked 225 00:10:29,506 --> 00:10:31,866 Speaker 1: at me and I say, Yeah, that's something that has 226 00:10:31,906 --> 00:10:35,466 Speaker 1: to be addressed because Yams, imagine being at quarterback, right, 227 00:10:35,666 --> 00:10:38,306 Speaker 1: you drop back, Okay, you drop back the pass you're 228 00:10:38,306 --> 00:10:40,626 Speaker 1: looking and you're reading the defense or whatever, and when 229 00:10:40,666 --> 00:10:44,586 Speaker 1: you drop back, you know you're the vastest most dynamic 230 00:10:44,746 --> 00:10:47,106 Speaker 1: player on the field. You know how hard it is 231 00:10:47,186 --> 00:10:49,186 Speaker 1: to actually throw the ball after that, you know, you 232 00:10:49,226 --> 00:10:53,066 Speaker 1: know it takes a level of responsibility to do that. 233 00:10:53,226 --> 00:10:55,306 Speaker 1: So you have to speak to that guy differently. He's 234 00:10:55,306 --> 00:10:57,626 Speaker 1: not going to throw that out on with timing. He's 235 00:10:57,626 --> 00:11:00,346 Speaker 1: gonna throw curls and comebacks a little bit better than 236 00:11:00,426 --> 00:11:03,066 Speaker 1: he throws outbreaking routes and things like that, just because 237 00:11:03,106 --> 00:11:05,986 Speaker 1: of the nature of the anticipation, the nature of him 238 00:11:06,026 --> 00:11:08,506 Speaker 1: being like, why would I risk the ball when I 239 00:11:08,506 --> 00:11:11,066 Speaker 1: can actually run it. I remember Joe Paterno telling me, dude, 240 00:11:11,186 --> 00:11:13,186 Speaker 1: it's fourth down. What the hell are we doing? Mike. 241 00:11:13,186 --> 00:11:15,106 Speaker 1: I know we called a pass play, but you better 242 00:11:15,146 --> 00:11:17,746 Speaker 1: get the going, you know what I'm saying. And you 243 00:11:17,866 --> 00:11:20,306 Speaker 1: got to have the right people on your coaching staff 244 00:11:20,306 --> 00:11:23,306 Speaker 1: and in the building to talk to that kid and 245 00:11:23,346 --> 00:11:25,266 Speaker 1: get the most out of that kid. And then you 246 00:11:25,266 --> 00:11:28,066 Speaker 1: got to look at the individual situations too. If you're 247 00:11:28,066 --> 00:11:30,826 Speaker 1: a team that you know you have a solid running game, 248 00:11:30,906 --> 00:11:33,106 Speaker 1: you have pieces, you have a defense that can get 249 00:11:33,146 --> 00:11:35,826 Speaker 1: a young quarterback out of trouble, maybe C. J. Stroud 250 00:11:35,946 --> 00:11:37,666 Speaker 1: is the way to go, because he does look a 251 00:11:37,666 --> 00:11:40,586 Speaker 1: little bit more ready to play right now. And can 252 00:11:40,626 --> 00:11:43,906 Speaker 1: operate an offense right now, maybe if you're looking at 253 00:11:43,906 --> 00:11:46,306 Speaker 1: a guy like an Anthony richard said, yeah, I think 254 00:11:46,306 --> 00:11:48,426 Speaker 1: that would be a project right now. The guy needs 255 00:11:48,546 --> 00:11:51,866 Speaker 1: more game reps. That was one of the differences that 256 00:11:51,946 --> 00:11:54,866 Speaker 1: was told to me, Mike. We look at Matt Liner, 257 00:11:54,946 --> 00:11:56,986 Speaker 1: we look at Vince Young, who were in my draft 258 00:11:57,066 --> 00:11:59,786 Speaker 1: class as well. Those guys have at least twenty five 259 00:11:59,866 --> 00:12:03,226 Speaker 1: hundred more game reps than you. Those are reps that, obviously, 260 00:12:03,266 --> 00:12:05,986 Speaker 1: on the experience, gives you, okay, a lot to pack 261 00:12:06,066 --> 00:12:09,066 Speaker 1: here because what you just described for Lamar Jackson makes 262 00:12:09,106 --> 00:12:15,666 Speaker 1: me think Anthony Richardson's measurables and athletic display at the 263 00:12:15,706 --> 00:12:19,306 Speaker 1: Combine would give me pause and say, you know what, 264 00:12:19,386 --> 00:12:21,706 Speaker 1: like I can work with that, because I can't teach 265 00:12:21,866 --> 00:12:25,026 Speaker 1: a dude to run that fast, to be that size 266 00:12:25,426 --> 00:12:28,786 Speaker 1: and athletic. But then he had opportunities when he was 267 00:12:28,786 --> 00:12:31,306 Speaker 1: at Florida in the SEC, like they didn't win a 268 00:12:31,306 --> 00:12:34,506 Speaker 1: ton of games. And on top of that his production. 269 00:12:34,546 --> 00:12:36,386 Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about a fifty three percent passer 270 00:12:36,506 --> 00:12:39,066 Speaker 1: out there. I don't know how to evaluate a guy 271 00:12:39,146 --> 00:12:41,826 Speaker 1: based off of the freak athleticism because you just mentioned 272 00:12:41,826 --> 00:12:43,306 Speaker 1: this with Lamar. And by the way, Lamar, I think 273 00:12:43,306 --> 00:12:45,786 Speaker 1: it was a better passer than Anthony Richardson was coming out, 274 00:12:45,826 --> 00:12:48,586 Speaker 1: So not exactly lamp, but I was a starter for 275 00:12:48,666 --> 00:12:51,386 Speaker 1: a while in college. He had more game reps. He 276 00:12:51,706 --> 00:12:54,626 Speaker 1: actually was in the game doing these things a lot 277 00:12:54,666 --> 00:12:57,226 Speaker 1: longer than Anthony Richardson. And to your point, I think 278 00:12:57,226 --> 00:12:59,146 Speaker 1: I know where you're going with it, Yams. It's the 279 00:12:59,226 --> 00:13:02,146 Speaker 1: same on the reverse end. Like we look at Bryce Young, 280 00:13:02,626 --> 00:13:06,146 Speaker 1: is he so good because he's playing with cadillacs ands 281 00:13:06,186 --> 00:13:08,746 Speaker 1: as opposed because the talent is so up there. You 282 00:13:08,826 --> 00:13:10,626 Speaker 1: have to look at that with the top guys as well. 283 00:13:10,626 --> 00:13:13,346 Speaker 1: I think in Anthony Rigison's case, anybody could look at 284 00:13:13,346 --> 00:13:16,786 Speaker 1: Florida and tell that they lack a little bit, they 285 00:13:16,866 --> 00:13:19,626 Speaker 1: lack a little bit of skill playing in sec Yeah, no, 286 00:13:19,746 --> 00:13:22,586 Speaker 1: I'm with you. And look once again, quarterback clearly the 287 00:13:22,666 --> 00:13:25,586 Speaker 1: premium position. But when you look at which positions have 288 00:13:25,666 --> 00:13:28,066 Speaker 1: actually seen an increase in top ten selections over the 289 00:13:28,146 --> 00:13:31,026 Speaker 1: last twenty two years. The number of quarterbacks m ROB 290 00:13:31,146 --> 00:13:33,906 Speaker 1: taken in the top ten over a five year period 291 00:13:34,026 --> 00:13:37,066 Speaker 1: from two thousand to two thousand and four, that was seven. 292 00:13:37,306 --> 00:13:39,746 Speaker 1: We've already seen six taken in the top ten in 293 00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:43,386 Speaker 1: a three year period from twenty twenty to twenty twenty two. Now, 294 00:13:43,506 --> 00:13:47,186 Speaker 1: edge defenders offensive tackles they've also seen a jump, but 295 00:13:47,346 --> 00:13:50,306 Speaker 1: cornerback has already seen six players taken in the top 296 00:13:50,386 --> 00:13:53,466 Speaker 1: ten over a three year span twenty twenty through twenty 297 00:13:53,506 --> 00:13:56,826 Speaker 1: twenty two, which actually ties them with quarterbacks and offensive 298 00:13:56,866 --> 00:13:59,986 Speaker 1: tackles for the most taken over that span. Running backs 299 00:13:59,986 --> 00:14:01,506 Speaker 1: call the way I know this is going to make 300 00:14:01,506 --> 00:14:05,146 Speaker 1: you come, make you cringe. None in the last three years, 301 00:14:05,146 --> 00:14:08,426 Speaker 1: the last and being se Quon Barkley in twenty eighteen. Yeah, 302 00:14:08,466 --> 00:14:11,466 Speaker 1: are we going to see a running back? Like? Is 303 00:14:11,506 --> 00:14:14,066 Speaker 1: that going to change moving forward? Or is it sort 304 00:14:14,106 --> 00:14:15,546 Speaker 1: of Look, we even said it's the running back. We 305 00:14:15,586 --> 00:14:17,466 Speaker 1: did an episode on that, is it? You know? Is 306 00:14:17,466 --> 00:14:22,066 Speaker 1: it a position that is sort of thankless? Like part 307 00:14:22,066 --> 00:14:24,346 Speaker 1: of me says the answer my ps here. Yeah, And 308 00:14:24,426 --> 00:14:25,946 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but it's just one of 309 00:14:25,986 --> 00:14:29,746 Speaker 1: those things like when you look at young football players. Uh, 310 00:14:30,626 --> 00:14:33,106 Speaker 1: you know, when I was young, you know, seven eight 311 00:14:33,186 --> 00:14:36,906 Speaker 1: years old playing literal league football, and I would have dreams, 312 00:14:36,986 --> 00:14:39,106 Speaker 1: you know, laying around in the yard playing or whatever 313 00:14:39,146 --> 00:14:44,306 Speaker 1: and daydreaming about playing football. Most of the time you 314 00:14:44,386 --> 00:14:47,426 Speaker 1: have day dreams about running the ball, yeah, you know 315 00:14:47,466 --> 00:14:49,666 Speaker 1: what I mean. Or if you're one of those quarterbacks 316 00:14:49,666 --> 00:14:52,426 Speaker 1: I've used to have dreams and visions about throwing the 317 00:14:52,466 --> 00:14:54,906 Speaker 1: ball in the tight windows and you get the music 318 00:14:54,946 --> 00:14:58,706 Speaker 1: in your head and all of that. You rarely see 319 00:14:58,946 --> 00:15:02,826 Speaker 1: guys day dreaming about blocking or you know, I mean, 320 00:15:03,186 --> 00:15:05,986 Speaker 1: I know it sounds funny, but that's that's how it is. 321 00:15:06,026 --> 00:15:08,426 Speaker 1: And I think that's why you can find so many runners. 322 00:15:08,586 --> 00:15:11,386 Speaker 1: I think the wide receiver position, with all the seven 323 00:15:11,426 --> 00:15:13,906 Speaker 1: on seven that's going on at the younger age groups, 324 00:15:13,946 --> 00:15:16,386 Speaker 1: I think the wide receiver position is in danger of 325 00:15:16,426 --> 00:15:18,666 Speaker 1: that becoming like the running back position. Where you can 326 00:15:18,666 --> 00:15:20,786 Speaker 1: find a guy that runs the four or three, you 327 00:15:20,786 --> 00:15:22,386 Speaker 1: can find a guy that can catch you can I mean, 328 00:15:22,386 --> 00:15:25,346 Speaker 1: they all have some of these traits, and that's why 329 00:15:25,346 --> 00:15:28,306 Speaker 1: I'm always advocate for running back. I think the running 330 00:15:28,306 --> 00:15:31,866 Speaker 1: backs should have their own CBA. Man. I'm telling you 331 00:15:31,906 --> 00:15:35,506 Speaker 1: they need to no contracts longer than three years. They 332 00:15:35,546 --> 00:15:37,946 Speaker 1: can always go back at you know, kind of go 333 00:15:37,986 --> 00:15:40,786 Speaker 1: back at it. And it's because when we get the 334 00:15:40,826 --> 00:15:44,546 Speaker 1: football seven yards deep behind the line of scrimmage, all 335 00:15:44,626 --> 00:15:47,706 Speaker 1: eleven defenders are locked in on us and trying to 336 00:15:47,706 --> 00:15:51,466 Speaker 1: get the football. There is trying to make the tackle, Yams. 337 00:15:51,466 --> 00:15:53,866 Speaker 1: There is no other position like that. When a quarterback 338 00:15:53,946 --> 00:15:56,146 Speaker 1: drops back at the most times, he may have seven 339 00:15:56,266 --> 00:15:59,346 Speaker 1: guys trying to rush at him. Receiver catches the ball 340 00:15:59,346 --> 00:16:01,786 Speaker 1: down field that you're limited to the guys that are 341 00:16:01,866 --> 00:16:04,746 Speaker 1: hitting you. Every time be Smoll got the football all 342 00:16:04,786 --> 00:16:07,466 Speaker 1: eleven guys, tension was up. It was assault in a 343 00:16:07,506 --> 00:16:09,466 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and to me, just the nature of 344 00:16:09,506 --> 00:16:12,146 Speaker 1: the position is a little different. Yeah, it's almost like describing, well, 345 00:16:12,266 --> 00:16:13,706 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, you play killed the man 346 00:16:13,746 --> 00:16:16,906 Speaker 1: with the ball, Like that's kind of exactly what you're 347 00:16:16,946 --> 00:16:22,106 Speaker 1: describing when you're talking about throwing up and run. It's 348 00:16:22,186 --> 00:16:32,266 Speaker 1: real simple, throw it up and run without football. Yeah yeah, 349 00:16:32,706 --> 00:16:35,306 Speaker 1: all right, Welcome back to the NFL Explained podcasts. Mike 350 00:16:35,346 --> 00:16:38,426 Speaker 1: Am and Rob with you. You just mentioned the wide 351 00:16:38,426 --> 00:16:41,146 Speaker 1: receiver spot. We did an episode of NFL Explaining on 352 00:16:41,186 --> 00:16:45,426 Speaker 1: the evolution of offenses and we talked about the utilization 353 00:16:45,666 --> 00:16:49,146 Speaker 1: of wide receivers and how effective they are in offenses 354 00:16:49,266 --> 00:16:51,986 Speaker 1: and more of a concerted effort to get those guys 355 00:16:52,026 --> 00:16:54,946 Speaker 1: the football. To me, that explains why we're seeing a 356 00:16:55,026 --> 00:16:57,146 Speaker 1: run of corners here like we have. Is that a 357 00:16:57,186 --> 00:17:00,306 Speaker 1: clear answer? That is clear? Again, everything has to be 358 00:17:00,586 --> 00:17:03,146 Speaker 1: has to it revolves around the quarterback, right, So you're 359 00:17:03,146 --> 00:17:05,066 Speaker 1: going to see quarterbacks obviously go a lot in the 360 00:17:05,106 --> 00:17:08,026 Speaker 1: first round. You're gonna see pass rushers go because that 361 00:17:08,226 --> 00:17:11,066 Speaker 1: pass rushers affect the quarterback and obviously quarterbacks there on 362 00:17:11,106 --> 00:17:14,066 Speaker 1: the football to wilde receivers. So defensive backs, more defensive 363 00:17:14,106 --> 00:17:16,626 Speaker 1: backs on the field. I think now the number one 364 00:17:17,066 --> 00:17:20,546 Speaker 1: personnel in the National Football League is Nickel. It's eleven personnel, 365 00:17:20,626 --> 00:17:22,386 Speaker 1: three wide receivers, are tight end, and a running back. 366 00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:24,626 Speaker 1: So yeah, you're gonna need more defensive backs. Okay, so 367 00:17:24,706 --> 00:17:27,106 Speaker 1: I brought up sa Quon Barkley before. You were just 368 00:17:27,146 --> 00:17:29,466 Speaker 1: talking to me about running backs. The Giants coming off 369 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:32,546 Speaker 1: of a brutal season in twenty seventeen, there were so 370 00:17:32,586 --> 00:17:35,026 Speaker 1: many needs that they had, including quarterback. By the way, 371 00:17:35,306 --> 00:17:38,266 Speaker 1: when they decided to go Barkley number two overall, Look, 372 00:17:38,666 --> 00:17:41,026 Speaker 1: maybe he's the best player on the board at that point, 373 00:17:41,066 --> 00:17:44,546 Speaker 1: I would venture probably yes, as they were assessing it, 374 00:17:44,586 --> 00:17:46,306 Speaker 1: but there were so many needs that they had. We 375 00:17:46,346 --> 00:17:49,746 Speaker 1: just talked about the running back spot and maybe you know, 376 00:17:49,826 --> 00:17:51,786 Speaker 1: thinking that you can get some of those other guys. 377 00:17:52,026 --> 00:17:54,106 Speaker 1: Sort of the same thing happened with the Falcons. Remember 378 00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:56,146 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one they drafted Kyle Pitts the tight 379 00:17:56,226 --> 00:17:58,986 Speaker 1: end fourth. Overall, there were other needs that were there, 380 00:17:59,026 --> 00:18:01,546 Speaker 1: So I guess the big picture question is how often 381 00:18:01,746 --> 00:18:07,226 Speaker 1: or should teams think about positional need and finding guys 382 00:18:07,306 --> 00:18:09,706 Speaker 1: that can help them immediately or do you just take 383 00:18:09,786 --> 00:18:14,426 Speaker 1: best player on the board Yams. There's no one answer 384 00:18:14,426 --> 00:18:17,066 Speaker 1: fer this, man. I think every team is in different situations. 385 00:18:17,306 --> 00:18:19,226 Speaker 1: But when you talk to general managers, at least in 386 00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:21,986 Speaker 1: my experience talking to league general managers, you can never 387 00:18:22,026 --> 00:18:26,866 Speaker 1: have enough elite players. If you just take the best guy, 388 00:18:26,986 --> 00:18:30,626 Speaker 1: oftentimes you have more success in the long haul of 389 00:18:30,666 --> 00:18:33,426 Speaker 1: things than in the short haul of things. Sometimes when 390 00:18:33,426 --> 00:18:36,386 Speaker 1: you just take positional needs in the draft, sometimes the 391 00:18:36,466 --> 00:18:38,866 Speaker 1: business of the National Football League to follow when you 392 00:18:38,906 --> 00:18:42,866 Speaker 1: can make those needs look irrelevant or may have changed 393 00:18:43,306 --> 00:18:45,986 Speaker 1: just based off of coaching staff changes and things like that. 394 00:18:46,026 --> 00:18:48,906 Speaker 1: So to me, you never go wrong taking elite talents. 395 00:18:48,946 --> 00:18:52,746 Speaker 1: I do understand the running back child conversation, but to me, 396 00:18:52,826 --> 00:18:56,786 Speaker 1: sae Quan was a generational talent. Andrew and Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, 397 00:18:57,186 --> 00:19:00,186 Speaker 1: these guys are generational talents. And if you can find 398 00:19:00,226 --> 00:19:02,626 Speaker 1: one of those guys, I think you take them. Do 399 00:19:02,666 --> 00:19:05,426 Speaker 1: we evaluate? Because I'm listening to what you're saying, and 400 00:19:05,466 --> 00:19:07,946 Speaker 1: I'm about how I even phrase the question to you 401 00:19:08,146 --> 00:19:10,506 Speaker 1: and the examples that I gave, there's a part of 402 00:19:10,506 --> 00:19:13,146 Speaker 1: me that says, best player available. It always feels like 403 00:19:13,146 --> 00:19:16,746 Speaker 1: we're talking about a skill position guy, right, Like you 404 00:19:16,786 --> 00:19:20,386 Speaker 1: could make an argument that you can't go wrong getting 405 00:19:20,386 --> 00:19:22,906 Speaker 1: big boys up front. Right. But see, now you're in 406 00:19:22,946 --> 00:19:25,626 Speaker 1: my world now, yam see, because that's what I love. 407 00:19:25,986 --> 00:19:29,226 Speaker 1: If I'm a building the team, I'm building man from 408 00:19:29,266 --> 00:19:32,186 Speaker 1: the trenches. Because again, I look at it like this. 409 00:19:32,586 --> 00:19:35,346 Speaker 1: There's two positional groups in the National Football League. And 410 00:19:35,346 --> 00:19:38,026 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of smart people in the National 411 00:19:38,026 --> 00:19:40,946 Speaker 1: Football League explain this to me. There's two positional groups. 412 00:19:40,986 --> 00:19:46,466 Speaker 1: You cannot win without offensive line, yep. In secondary, the 413 00:19:46,586 --> 00:19:49,746 Speaker 1: offensive line is your engine. They can help out the 414 00:19:49,786 --> 00:19:52,386 Speaker 1: defense if you got an offensive line that can roll 415 00:19:52,466 --> 00:19:54,066 Speaker 1: grade and you can just hand the football off and 416 00:19:54,106 --> 00:19:56,986 Speaker 1: play four minute offense whenever you want to help your 417 00:19:57,026 --> 00:20:00,706 Speaker 1: defense out. And then the secondary if you cannot give 418 00:20:00,786 --> 00:20:04,706 Speaker 1: up the big play. If once a ball carrier breaks 419 00:20:04,746 --> 00:20:07,226 Speaker 1: through your front seven and you have sure tacklers. That's 420 00:20:07,226 --> 00:20:11,306 Speaker 1: why I love the mcquarity twins. Those dudes were sure tacklers. 421 00:20:11,346 --> 00:20:12,826 Speaker 1: You can say what you want to say about him 422 00:20:12,826 --> 00:20:15,706 Speaker 1: in coverage or whatever, but both of those guys were 423 00:20:15,746 --> 00:20:18,146 Speaker 1: sure tacklers, and that's really what you want in the secondary. 424 00:20:18,146 --> 00:20:20,986 Speaker 1: And to me, the secondaries like the battery of your car. 425 00:20:21,306 --> 00:20:23,866 Speaker 1: You can't really operate a vehicle without the engine in 426 00:20:23,906 --> 00:20:25,626 Speaker 1: the battery. I thought you were going to say, d Line, 427 00:20:25,746 --> 00:20:29,146 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Yeah, well you can manufacture pressure. 428 00:20:30,186 --> 00:20:32,866 Speaker 1: So not to get too much into the weeds on this, 429 00:20:33,026 --> 00:20:36,306 Speaker 1: but I do think about a recent addition. And obviously 430 00:20:36,306 --> 00:20:38,386 Speaker 1: we were just coming off the heels of free agent frenzy, 431 00:20:38,506 --> 00:20:40,306 Speaker 1: where we're just seeing all this player movement. The San 432 00:20:40,346 --> 00:20:42,386 Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers led a couple of their guys 433 00:20:42,386 --> 00:20:44,866 Speaker 1: in the secondary walking free agency, and yet they bring 434 00:20:44,946 --> 00:20:48,226 Speaker 1: him Hardgrave out of Philadelphia. They already got Nick Bosa. 435 00:20:48,306 --> 00:20:50,986 Speaker 1: But based off of what you're describing to me, but 436 00:20:51,106 --> 00:20:54,186 Speaker 1: they were getting pressure anyway, right they were. I'm almost 437 00:20:54,226 --> 00:20:57,626 Speaker 1: surprised if secondary is so important the Niners. And look, 438 00:20:57,626 --> 00:20:59,506 Speaker 1: there's a hundred different ways that's gonna catch. I don't 439 00:20:59,546 --> 00:21:00,826 Speaker 1: even know if that's a good phrase to use. But 440 00:21:00,826 --> 00:21:03,346 Speaker 1: the point is, you know where I'm going going with that. 441 00:21:03,586 --> 00:21:06,506 Speaker 1: But like from a Niner's perspective, maybe they just don't 442 00:21:06,546 --> 00:21:09,506 Speaker 1: subscribe to that theory about secondary being the most the 443 00:21:09,546 --> 00:21:12,266 Speaker 1: second most important thing, or maybe they know they have 444 00:21:12,346 --> 00:21:16,146 Speaker 1: the coaching staff to develop whoever the draft in the draft, 445 00:21:16,186 --> 00:21:18,466 Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So again, it always goes 446 00:21:18,506 --> 00:21:22,466 Speaker 1: back to your individual team's situation, like I know in Seattle, 447 00:21:22,506 --> 00:21:24,666 Speaker 1: because you know, obviously I want a Super Bowl with them. 448 00:21:24,666 --> 00:21:28,146 Speaker 1: Pete was a defensive back guy. That's why you look 449 00:21:28,266 --> 00:21:30,706 Speaker 1: over his tenure. He's able to find a Terric Woolin. 450 00:21:30,946 --> 00:21:33,226 Speaker 1: He's able to find a Richard Sherman or Brandon Brown 451 00:21:33,346 --> 00:21:35,746 Speaker 1: or Earl Thomas. If you have the coach and staff 452 00:21:35,786 --> 00:21:38,066 Speaker 1: to develop what you want, then yeah, you can let 453 00:21:38,146 --> 00:21:40,626 Speaker 1: important pieces go. You talk about that San Franco for 454 00:21:40,746 --> 00:21:42,106 Speaker 1: the nine of thing. I think the San Francico fort 455 00:21:42,106 --> 00:21:44,266 Speaker 1: and now has got some news. Maybe they're gonna end 456 00:21:44,306 --> 00:21:46,746 Speaker 1: up making here soon. Okay, all right, I ain't breaking 457 00:21:46,746 --> 00:21:49,186 Speaker 1: no news. I'm just saying I just look, they've been quiet. 458 00:21:49,626 --> 00:21:52,146 Speaker 1: They got some assets that they can move around. I 459 00:21:52,266 --> 00:21:54,146 Speaker 1: just I got a feeling they're gonna make a play 460 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:56,306 Speaker 1: for some money. So we'll double teas here the teams 461 00:21:56,306 --> 00:21:58,506 Speaker 1: that Rob just gave you and this one because we've 462 00:21:58,546 --> 00:22:01,106 Speaker 1: talked about the trends and the players being drafted. But 463 00:22:01,186 --> 00:22:03,626 Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll get into how a general 464 00:22:03,626 --> 00:22:06,506 Speaker 1: manager and an NFL team balances built through the draft 465 00:22:06,826 --> 00:22:08,786 Speaker 1: or is it better to go through free agency. That's 466 00:22:08,826 --> 00:22:18,306 Speaker 1: coming up next on the NFL Explained Podcast. All right, 467 00:22:18,346 --> 00:22:20,826 Speaker 1: back here on the NFL Explained Podcast, m Rob and 468 00:22:21,346 --> 00:22:23,346 Speaker 1: Mike am with you. All right, there is a balance 469 00:22:23,386 --> 00:22:26,226 Speaker 1: because we talked through some of the trends that we've 470 00:22:26,226 --> 00:22:29,506 Speaker 1: seen in the draft. Sometimes you know, you might lean 471 00:22:29,586 --> 00:22:31,826 Speaker 1: one way if you're a GM when it comes to 472 00:22:32,026 --> 00:22:35,706 Speaker 1: a player's actual traits and what they've done or some 473 00:22:35,786 --> 00:22:38,226 Speaker 1: of the production by traits. I'm talking about things like 474 00:22:38,386 --> 00:22:40,986 Speaker 1: arm length, speed, jumping, the things that are measured at 475 00:22:40,986 --> 00:22:43,666 Speaker 1: the combine. A good example this year CJ. Strad Ohio 476 00:22:43,746 --> 00:22:48,826 Speaker 1: State ridiculously productive in college. Anthony Richardson. Though you see 477 00:22:48,826 --> 00:22:50,386 Speaker 1: the arm talent, you saw the speed. The dude ran 478 00:22:50,466 --> 00:22:51,946 Speaker 1: a forty and even run in a straight line. And 479 00:22:52,106 --> 00:22:54,266 Speaker 1: we're all sitting there going, dude, this guy is really good. 480 00:22:54,346 --> 00:22:56,506 Speaker 1: How you just don't give him a reverse and just say, 481 00:22:57,386 --> 00:22:59,386 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, people to get out of 482 00:22:59,466 --> 00:23:02,546 Speaker 1: his way and just figure it out. Jordan Addison, he 483 00:23:02,586 --> 00:23:04,826 Speaker 1: certainly comes to my big college production. When he was 484 00:23:04,826 --> 00:23:07,186 Speaker 1: at Pit Bullet and Coffee Word Winner, I know people 485 00:23:07,226 --> 00:23:09,626 Speaker 1: were down on his production at SC. He did miss 486 00:23:09,666 --> 00:23:11,506 Speaker 1: a couple of games. He was flirting with a thousand yards. 487 00:23:11,546 --> 00:23:13,106 Speaker 1: I think he missed three games. But the point is 488 00:23:13,346 --> 00:23:16,586 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, Quentin Johnston's traits at the wide receiver spot. 489 00:23:16,666 --> 00:23:19,746 Speaker 1: There's different ways you can go, you know. Addison I 490 00:23:19,786 --> 00:23:21,546 Speaker 1: think was more on the production side. Some of those 491 00:23:21,586 --> 00:23:23,466 Speaker 1: other guys more on the trade side. So if you're 492 00:23:23,466 --> 00:23:27,346 Speaker 1: a general manager, how do you balance leaning towards production 493 00:23:27,426 --> 00:23:30,986 Speaker 1: on Saturdays versus Oh my god, like this dude just 494 00:23:30,986 --> 00:23:34,306 Speaker 1: just testing off the charts. Okay, I'm gonna use your term. 495 00:23:34,346 --> 00:23:36,586 Speaker 1: You say traits, I say genetics. It's all the same 496 00:23:36,626 --> 00:23:41,266 Speaker 1: to me. I lean on the traits side because see, 497 00:23:41,266 --> 00:23:43,546 Speaker 1: I feel like, if you're a great coach, you can 498 00:23:43,586 --> 00:23:46,866 Speaker 1: get through to anyone. You can coach anyone. And when 499 00:23:46,866 --> 00:23:49,946 Speaker 1: you and I'm gonna use Anthony Richardson because you use 500 00:23:50,026 --> 00:23:53,426 Speaker 1: his name in the setup six five, two hundred and 501 00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:57,946 Speaker 1: forty seven pounds. You run a sub four. You cannot 502 00:23:57,986 --> 00:24:01,386 Speaker 1: coach there now, you just can't. Some of the production 503 00:24:01,506 --> 00:24:05,066 Speaker 1: things that you see from other prospects or whatever. Sometimes 504 00:24:05,066 --> 00:24:07,266 Speaker 1: that can be scan sometimes that can be people you're 505 00:24:07,266 --> 00:24:10,626 Speaker 1: playing against. If you're evaluating, you just want to see 506 00:24:10,626 --> 00:24:14,786 Speaker 1: the physical traits that you're excited about show up on tape. 507 00:24:15,186 --> 00:24:17,946 Speaker 1: You want to see that big strong arm of Anthony Richardson. 508 00:24:17,946 --> 00:24:19,426 Speaker 1: I want to see him throw at sixty yards. I 509 00:24:19,426 --> 00:24:21,266 Speaker 1: want to see if he actually did it in a game. Yeah, 510 00:24:21,546 --> 00:24:24,826 Speaker 1: I want to see that that sub four four speed 511 00:24:24,986 --> 00:24:27,546 Speaker 1: show up. I want to see the size and power 512 00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:30,426 Speaker 1: show up, because if it doesn't show up in the game, 513 00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:34,866 Speaker 1: then that means, you know, possibly this player doesn't possess 514 00:24:34,906 --> 00:24:39,626 Speaker 1: the ability to translate those traits into organized game situation. 515 00:24:39,706 --> 00:24:42,266 Speaker 1: So I run from that particular player. But no, you 516 00:24:42,346 --> 00:24:47,626 Speaker 1: do not go wrong getting a big, strong, fast player. 517 00:24:47,626 --> 00:24:50,306 Speaker 1: I remember having a conversation with Trent Baki, the general 518 00:24:50,306 --> 00:24:53,386 Speaker 1: manager of the Jacksonville Jaguars, just about that. He's like, yeah, bro, 519 00:24:53,786 --> 00:24:55,426 Speaker 1: you big, strong and fast. I mean that's just what 520 00:24:55,626 --> 00:24:57,226 Speaker 1: that's what this game is all about. It is still 521 00:24:57,226 --> 00:25:00,186 Speaker 1: a physical game, and it's still a trait driven game. 522 00:25:00,546 --> 00:25:02,066 Speaker 1: You were asked that. I don't know if you told 523 00:25:02,146 --> 00:25:04,746 Speaker 1: the story on air or off air, but I remember 524 00:25:04,746 --> 00:25:07,626 Speaker 1: you telling me that you were asked, Hey, would you 525 00:25:08,666 --> 00:25:10,546 Speaker 1: do you have to be a quarterback if we drafted 526 00:25:10,546 --> 00:25:14,786 Speaker 1: you during your draft process, Anthony Richardson, I do get 527 00:25:14,786 --> 00:25:17,826 Speaker 1: concerned just about the completion percentage. And I know people say, well, 528 00:25:17,866 --> 00:25:21,146 Speaker 1: Josh Allen was like fifty, which is just a tick better, 529 00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:23,466 Speaker 1: and look what he is at the NFL level. You know, 530 00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:26,906 Speaker 1: Josh also won some games, Anthony, I don't didn't produce 531 00:25:26,906 --> 00:25:29,986 Speaker 1: against really good defenses in the SEC. Is it fair 532 00:25:30,026 --> 00:25:33,546 Speaker 1: to ask, is Anthony Richardson because of those traits? Team 533 00:25:33,626 --> 00:25:35,146 Speaker 1: might go, you know what, maybe he's not a quarterback. 534 00:25:36,946 --> 00:25:41,946 Speaker 1: That's a loaded question because I believe the game has 535 00:25:42,146 --> 00:25:46,626 Speaker 1: changed enough. I believe the position has changed enough that 536 00:25:47,146 --> 00:25:50,426 Speaker 1: it may be almost disrespectful to X that kid to 537 00:25:50,546 --> 00:25:54,266 Speaker 1: change positions right now. It wasn't disrespectful to Michael Robinson 538 00:25:54,586 --> 00:25:58,946 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six because the style hadn't been 539 00:25:59,026 --> 00:26:01,866 Speaker 1: legitimized yet. We just saw Jalen Hurts, who was an 540 00:26:01,906 --> 00:26:06,426 Speaker 1: MVP candidate last year, play one of the best Super 541 00:26:06,466 --> 00:26:09,506 Speaker 1: Bowls ever. He lost, but the game in which he 542 00:26:09,626 --> 00:26:11,546 Speaker 1: played was off the chain. And I mean I saw 543 00:26:11,626 --> 00:26:15,626 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts thrive in the SEC, thrive in the big twelve, 544 00:26:15,946 --> 00:26:20,426 Speaker 1: win football games, and make throws candidly on Sundays and 545 00:26:20,466 --> 00:26:23,026 Speaker 1: in the postseason that not many dudes in the NFL 546 00:26:23,266 --> 00:26:27,786 Speaker 1: can actually make. Maybe Richardson gets there, but that's where 547 00:26:27,786 --> 00:26:30,346 Speaker 1: I hedge, man, That's why it's a problem for me. Again, 548 00:26:31,026 --> 00:26:34,666 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts His way to the SEC and through the 549 00:26:34,826 --> 00:26:37,466 Speaker 1: SEC was a little bit different than Anthony Richardson's. I 550 00:26:37,506 --> 00:26:40,826 Speaker 1: believe Jalen Hurts had a great amount of coaching. They 551 00:26:40,866 --> 00:26:43,466 Speaker 1: get him to a certain place, and then when you 552 00:26:43,506 --> 00:26:45,906 Speaker 1: look at, you know, his success in the National Football League. 553 00:26:45,906 --> 00:26:48,066 Speaker 1: I always go back to what Nick Sirianni said earlier 554 00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:50,386 Speaker 1: this year. He said last year, it got to a 555 00:26:50,426 --> 00:26:52,266 Speaker 1: point where we said, you know what, Jalen may not 556 00:26:52,306 --> 00:26:54,066 Speaker 1: be seeing the field the way we want to while 557 00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:57,186 Speaker 1: we calling these plays. Just to be calling these plays, 558 00:26:57,266 --> 00:27:00,466 Speaker 1: Let's go back to this Oklahoma running game and build 559 00:27:00,466 --> 00:27:04,106 Speaker 1: our passing game around his running game ability. And that's 560 00:27:04,146 --> 00:27:07,546 Speaker 1: when his special ability started to show up again. I'm 561 00:27:07,586 --> 00:27:10,946 Speaker 1: saying you can have the genetic traits, but it's on 562 00:27:11,066 --> 00:27:14,146 Speaker 1: the coach to be able to figure out a way 563 00:27:14,346 --> 00:27:17,146 Speaker 1: to utilize those traits. In skime, it goes back to 564 00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:20,346 Speaker 1: and I know anyone who's a diehard football fan and 565 00:27:20,386 --> 00:27:22,186 Speaker 1: even your casual fans, and I know I get the 566 00:27:22,466 --> 00:27:24,506 Speaker 1: DMS people in the UK that are trying to learn 567 00:27:24,546 --> 00:27:27,546 Speaker 1: about football or Australia and they're listening to this podcast. 568 00:27:27,706 --> 00:27:29,666 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear this phrase thrown out a whole lot. 569 00:27:29,666 --> 00:27:32,626 Speaker 1: But I think what m Rob's describing it's actually perfect. 570 00:27:32,666 --> 00:27:35,266 Speaker 1: And I hate using it because it feels lazy but fit. Yeah, 571 00:27:35,266 --> 00:27:37,586 Speaker 1: I mean, it really truly does come down to that. 572 00:27:37,626 --> 00:27:39,666 Speaker 1: You know, many players and Robi you've probably played with 573 00:27:39,746 --> 00:27:42,026 Speaker 1: that were drafted maybe didn't have the careers that they 574 00:27:42,026 --> 00:27:44,106 Speaker 1: should have had because they just were taken by the 575 00:27:44,106 --> 00:27:46,306 Speaker 1: team that couldn't figure it out. I mean it's a 576 00:27:46,306 --> 00:27:49,106 Speaker 1: little heartbreaking for dudes. Absolutely. I just go back to 577 00:27:49,826 --> 00:27:52,666 Speaker 1: my time in San Francisco. I left there in twenty ten. 578 00:27:53,466 --> 00:27:56,026 Speaker 1: They were in the Super Bowl in twenty twelve. Twenty 579 00:27:56,066 --> 00:27:58,346 Speaker 1: four months later. Yeah, it was only one real change. 580 00:27:58,386 --> 00:28:01,146 Speaker 1: They drafted Kaepernick and let him play, but everybody else 581 00:28:01,346 --> 00:28:04,386 Speaker 1: was pretty much the same right new coach now and 582 00:28:04,626 --> 00:28:09,226 Speaker 1: sometimes again usas breed different results. Okay, so we were 583 00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:12,626 Speaker 1: talking about the evolution of you know, the quarterback spot 584 00:28:12,666 --> 00:28:14,786 Speaker 1: once again another episode that you can go and check out. 585 00:28:15,186 --> 00:28:19,306 Speaker 1: But you had said, for Richardson, disrespectful. Now because of 586 00:28:19,346 --> 00:28:22,826 Speaker 1: the era of the game and it being legitimized, I 587 00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:26,426 Speaker 1: think we're also seeing an inflection point in the league draft, 588 00:28:26,466 --> 00:28:28,266 Speaker 1: your free agency. How do you build a team to 589 00:28:28,306 --> 00:28:31,666 Speaker 1: get there? And maybe some teams saw what the Rams 590 00:28:31,706 --> 00:28:35,706 Speaker 1: did and said, you know what, maybe buying it one 591 00:28:35,826 --> 00:28:38,026 Speaker 1: year and we know where it's now fallen to and 592 00:28:38,066 --> 00:28:40,426 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a fire sale for some 593 00:28:40,466 --> 00:28:43,226 Speaker 1: of these teams or for the Rams specifically. But I 594 00:28:43,266 --> 00:28:45,106 Speaker 1: do think that's worth thrown out there, and for those 595 00:28:45,146 --> 00:28:47,746 Speaker 1: who aren't aware. Obviously, the Rams got their Super Bowl 596 00:28:47,786 --> 00:28:50,706 Speaker 1: title in twenty twenty one. Matthew Stafford, Jalen Ramsey, Von 597 00:28:50,826 --> 00:28:53,786 Speaker 1: miller O b J Andrew Whitworth bought it. They got 598 00:28:53,786 --> 00:28:55,866 Speaker 1: it done. Now, they did have some guys that they drafted, 599 00:28:55,866 --> 00:28:57,866 Speaker 1: Cooper Coup and Aaron Donald, but clearly the names that 600 00:28:57,906 --> 00:29:01,226 Speaker 1: I just referenced skews towards the free agency side of things. 601 00:29:01,506 --> 00:29:05,066 Speaker 1: This year's Super Bowl participants, key pieces traded grabbed in 602 00:29:05,106 --> 00:29:07,866 Speaker 1: free agency, the corners for the Eagles, some of the 603 00:29:07,866 --> 00:29:10,466 Speaker 1: whiteouts for Casey, which I think is a little unfair 604 00:29:10,506 --> 00:29:12,186 Speaker 1: because of the bargain that they got on a lot 605 00:29:12,186 --> 00:29:14,146 Speaker 1: of those guys as opposed to the big stars. I 606 00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:15,786 Speaker 1: mean the dudes that I mentioned for the Rams, like 607 00:29:15,786 --> 00:29:19,386 Speaker 1: those guys got paid big deals. But both teams actually 608 00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:22,426 Speaker 1: drafted their quarterbacks, and the Eagles and the chief but 609 00:29:22,466 --> 00:29:25,706 Speaker 1: don't forget Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, the offensive line pieces. 610 00:29:25,706 --> 00:29:27,666 Speaker 1: It goes back to what we were saying, building in 611 00:29:27,706 --> 00:29:30,746 Speaker 1: the trenches. Philly's offensive line in so many ways on 612 00:29:30,746 --> 00:29:33,666 Speaker 1: both sides, on offensive defensive line is so important. But 613 00:29:33,706 --> 00:29:36,626 Speaker 1: the old line, all five of those guys were drafted. 614 00:29:36,946 --> 00:29:42,186 Speaker 1: So does one path make more sense? Because both have won, 615 00:29:42,306 --> 00:29:44,066 Speaker 1: We've seen it. And by the way, the Chiefs also 616 00:29:44,306 --> 00:29:47,666 Speaker 1: relied heavily undrafted guys in their secondary to put them 617 00:29:47,706 --> 00:29:49,986 Speaker 1: over the top. That's what I was getting ready to say. 618 00:29:50,066 --> 00:29:52,426 Speaker 1: I mean for you to be able. I'm a firm 619 00:29:52,426 --> 00:29:55,106 Speaker 1: believer in relying on the draft. I do. I think 620 00:29:55,186 --> 00:30:00,066 Speaker 1: oftentimes in free agency you're gonna overpay for guys just 621 00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:02,986 Speaker 1: because of the nature of win free agency starts. You 622 00:30:02,986 --> 00:30:05,666 Speaker 1: know what I mean is before the draft, it incentivized 623 00:30:05,746 --> 00:30:08,186 Speaker 1: as teams that have cap space to go out there 624 00:30:08,226 --> 00:30:11,106 Speaker 1: and get the free agent. And oftentimes that free agent 625 00:30:11,226 --> 00:30:14,586 Speaker 1: has been coached by somebody different. They have different ways 626 00:30:14,626 --> 00:30:17,266 Speaker 1: of how they see success, and so to me, you 627 00:30:17,346 --> 00:30:19,866 Speaker 1: have to be wearied with free agents. They're not always 628 00:30:20,226 --> 00:30:22,826 Speaker 1: the most coachable, right because they're coming over now, they 629 00:30:22,866 --> 00:30:24,746 Speaker 1: have different eyes looking at them. They feel like you 630 00:30:24,986 --> 00:30:27,546 Speaker 1: courted them. They get paid now. So I just think 631 00:30:27,746 --> 00:30:29,946 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to be wearied that way. But you 632 00:30:30,026 --> 00:30:32,506 Speaker 1: have to have a staff that can develop. I mean, 633 00:30:32,506 --> 00:30:34,626 Speaker 1: you really do. I mean you just talking about the 634 00:30:34,626 --> 00:30:37,986 Speaker 1: Philadelphi Eagles that offensive line. I mean there were years 635 00:30:37,986 --> 00:30:40,226 Speaker 1: where I'm like, Okay, you know, you know they heard 636 00:30:40,306 --> 00:30:42,786 Speaker 1: Jason Peters. I don't know what's gonna happen with him. 637 00:30:43,026 --> 00:30:45,226 Speaker 1: Then they get this kid that used to play rugby, 638 00:30:45,746 --> 00:30:47,946 Speaker 1: and I remember telling my brother he's a Philadelphia Eagles 639 00:30:47,946 --> 00:30:49,986 Speaker 1: fan when they got Jordan my Lotta, and I'm like, 640 00:30:50,026 --> 00:30:52,826 Speaker 1: I think this dude's gonna make the team. I guarantee 641 00:30:52,906 --> 00:30:55,426 Speaker 1: you one day he's gonna be their starting left hand. Now, 642 00:30:55,826 --> 00:30:57,746 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, he's gonna be 643 00:30:57,746 --> 00:31:00,386 Speaker 1: offered the more money than he's ever seen before, and 644 00:31:00,826 --> 00:31:03,626 Speaker 1: in the terms of the business of the National Football League, 645 00:31:03,626 --> 00:31:06,626 Speaker 1: that's gonna feel, you know, cheap. And they developed him 646 00:31:06,626 --> 00:31:09,346 Speaker 1: from in house. I always look at guys that you 647 00:31:09,426 --> 00:31:12,066 Speaker 1: draft and developed from in house. It's almost like I 648 00:31:12,106 --> 00:31:14,666 Speaker 1: don't know the team that drafted you. They kind of 649 00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:17,066 Speaker 1: have an end right, Like you know, they drafted you, 650 00:31:17,106 --> 00:31:19,586 Speaker 1: they gave you a chance. You're all set up. Oftentimes, 651 00:31:19,586 --> 00:31:21,626 Speaker 1: you set up family, kids, got school and all of 652 00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:24,386 Speaker 1: it's hard to leave those situations. So yeah, I'm a 653 00:31:24,386 --> 00:31:26,786 Speaker 1: friend believer in building through the draft. Okay, so I 654 00:31:26,866 --> 00:31:29,466 Speaker 1: mentioned the Eagles, who, by the way, also dipped into 655 00:31:29,506 --> 00:31:31,546 Speaker 1: free agency. I think there was a nice little blend 656 00:31:31,746 --> 00:31:34,986 Speaker 1: of drafted guys and free agent guys on last year's 657 00:31:34,986 --> 00:31:36,706 Speaker 1: Super Bowl team. But I want to go back to 658 00:31:36,746 --> 00:31:39,466 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Once you pay the quarterback though, Yams, you know, 659 00:31:39,746 --> 00:31:41,826 Speaker 1: give me a problem because you get the feeling now 660 00:31:42,266 --> 00:31:44,586 Speaker 1: they're letting people go, what are you supposed to get 661 00:31:44,666 --> 00:31:47,426 Speaker 1: I mean, not getting ready to play the quarterback? Yeah, 662 00:31:47,466 --> 00:31:49,066 Speaker 1: and I think it's the same thing with the Chargers, 663 00:31:49,146 --> 00:31:51,266 Speaker 1: right justin Herbert and by the way, all the same 664 00:31:51,386 --> 00:31:54,906 Speaker 1: class right to ah, well, we'll go Burrow Herbert to 665 00:31:55,146 --> 00:31:59,386 Speaker 1: A and Jordan Love in that class on the first round. 666 00:31:59,466 --> 00:32:01,826 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts was a second round pick. But the point 667 00:32:01,866 --> 00:32:05,746 Speaker 1: is all these dudes now in line for mega deals 668 00:32:05,826 --> 00:32:07,906 Speaker 1: and that is going to affect your cap situation in 669 00:32:07,986 --> 00:32:10,386 Speaker 1: such a big way. Circling back though, on the wide 670 00:32:10,426 --> 00:32:12,346 Speaker 1: receiver spot, I want to ask you this question because 671 00:32:12,346 --> 00:32:15,666 Speaker 1: Eagles back in twenty twenty they got Jellen Riger over 672 00:32:15,946 --> 00:32:21,026 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson when obviously the Vikings went and drafted. I 673 00:32:21,026 --> 00:32:23,066 Speaker 1: don't want to pick on anyone, and I feel like 674 00:32:23,146 --> 00:32:25,346 Speaker 1: I did that obviously with that comment, and I'm doing it. 675 00:32:25,386 --> 00:32:27,426 Speaker 1: I did it earlier in the podcast talking about some 676 00:32:27,466 --> 00:32:32,306 Speaker 1: of the Jets quarterbacks. Explain to me, though, how the 677 00:32:32,386 --> 00:32:35,946 Speaker 1: evaluation process is so different, right, Like you can have 678 00:32:35,986 --> 00:32:39,106 Speaker 1: a guy plays the same spot on your draft board 679 00:32:39,146 --> 00:32:41,426 Speaker 1: and yet what it all plays out, the production is 680 00:32:41,866 --> 00:32:45,946 Speaker 1: in this case historically dramatically different between those guys. And 681 00:32:46,026 --> 00:32:49,786 Speaker 1: this may not be a direct correlation or a great example, 682 00:32:49,826 --> 00:32:52,306 Speaker 1: but I mean it's the reason why we have different wives, bro, 683 00:32:53,106 --> 00:32:56,746 Speaker 1: you know, different folks. The subjective, man, it is what 684 00:32:56,866 --> 00:33:00,026 Speaker 1: it is, bro. You know, I love your analogies and 685 00:33:00,066 --> 00:33:03,066 Speaker 1: I love working off of them. I'm going to let 686 00:33:03,066 --> 00:33:04,986 Speaker 1: it go on that one, man, But it for real. 687 00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:08,466 Speaker 1: It is and like the usually use the ice criminalogy, 688 00:33:08,586 --> 00:33:11,066 Speaker 1: like some guys like chocolate, some guys like vanilla. You know, 689 00:33:11,346 --> 00:33:14,066 Speaker 1: I'm a squirrel guy in the count like a little 690 00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:17,026 Speaker 1: bit of everything. But but no, I get it, you know, 691 00:33:17,106 --> 00:33:18,866 Speaker 1: I actually I do like Rocky girl. But the point 692 00:33:19,026 --> 00:33:21,586 Speaker 1: is like different flavors for different different flavors, and it's 693 00:33:21,586 --> 00:33:23,706 Speaker 1: the same thing. We're building a team, man. You know, 694 00:33:23,826 --> 00:33:26,146 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different paths to get to the mountaintop, 695 00:33:26,506 --> 00:33:29,786 Speaker 1: and you have to understand what the direction your organization 696 00:33:29,946 --> 00:33:32,146 Speaker 1: is trying to go in to even be able to 697 00:33:32,186 --> 00:33:34,786 Speaker 1: have an opinion on whether a certain pick is the 698 00:33:34,866 --> 00:33:38,026 Speaker 1: right thing for a team or not. So again, it's 699 00:33:38,026 --> 00:33:40,226 Speaker 1: different structure, different folks. Man, Now it beauties and now 700 00:33:40,306 --> 00:33:42,266 Speaker 1: the behold. It also goes back to the start of 701 00:33:42,266 --> 00:33:44,786 Speaker 1: this show on maybe why you should be drafting the 702 00:33:44,866 --> 00:33:48,626 Speaker 1: quarterback every every year. I mean again, if you got 703 00:33:48,626 --> 00:33:50,866 Speaker 1: your dude, it comes up and then you look at 704 00:33:51,266 --> 00:33:53,186 Speaker 1: some of these guys, man, they quarterbacks. Man, I know 705 00:33:53,226 --> 00:33:54,786 Speaker 1: I used speak quarterback. I'm not going to talk too 706 00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:56,906 Speaker 1: much bad about them. But I will say this, man, 707 00:33:56,906 --> 00:33:58,666 Speaker 1: they be getting hurt and they get all that money 708 00:33:58,706 --> 00:34:00,346 Speaker 1: and they get hurt and then you got to bring 709 00:34:00,346 --> 00:34:02,626 Speaker 1: in another quarterback who you know, whatever, whatever, and the 710 00:34:02,626 --> 00:34:04,146 Speaker 1: rest of the teams like, look, bro, but I didn't 711 00:34:04,146 --> 00:34:06,346 Speaker 1: get hurt, and I'm effected about it. You know what, 712 00:34:06,786 --> 00:34:08,986 Speaker 1: Just pay these quarterbacks. Get one every single time that 713 00:34:09,066 --> 00:34:11,106 Speaker 1: you get a chance. Favorite flavor of ice cream for 714 00:34:11,226 --> 00:34:14,786 Speaker 1: m Rob is I'm not a huge ice cream eater. 715 00:34:14,946 --> 00:34:18,426 Speaker 1: I'm not huge. Don't let me go in. I'm talking 716 00:34:18,426 --> 00:34:22,586 Speaker 1: to the person delicious dessert. You're not going down. Let 717 00:34:22,626 --> 00:34:24,546 Speaker 1: me go into all of it. But I know I'm 718 00:34:24,546 --> 00:34:26,866 Speaker 1: not a huge ice cream eater, so no, I can't. 719 00:34:26,866 --> 00:34:28,986 Speaker 1: I don't really have a flavor. Yeah, for those who 720 00:34:29,026 --> 00:34:31,746 Speaker 1: don't know m Rob's diet, there's you know, frequent fasting 721 00:34:31,946 --> 00:34:34,906 Speaker 1: and yes, he's a healthy character. I try. Yeah, you know, 722 00:34:35,186 --> 00:34:37,946 Speaker 1: the point is, I don't know what the point is 723 00:34:37,946 --> 00:34:40,426 Speaker 1: on the dessert. But oh, different strokes are different folks 724 00:34:40,426 --> 00:34:42,146 Speaker 1: in the whole. Again, let's circle back. We'll bring it 725 00:34:42,146 --> 00:34:44,266 Speaker 1: back to the NFL Draft, which, by the way, is 726 00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:48,386 Speaker 1: coming up NFL Network, NFL Plus Thursday, April twenty seventh 727 00:34:48,706 --> 00:34:51,146 Speaker 1: from Kansas City. Cannot wait for it. We'll find out 728 00:34:51,146 --> 00:34:53,266 Speaker 1: who mister irrelevant is going to be. We'll finally get 729 00:34:53,266 --> 00:34:55,506 Speaker 1: closer to finding out how some of this drama at 730 00:34:55,546 --> 00:34:57,346 Speaker 1: the top of the draft is going to shake out. 731 00:34:57,546 --> 00:34:59,906 Speaker 1: Kind of a cool class. I'm hoping we get five 732 00:34:59,986 --> 00:35:02,346 Speaker 1: quarterbacks taken in the first round. I want to help 733 00:35:02,386 --> 00:35:03,986 Speaker 1: her to get to talk about you. Man. Yeah, you 734 00:35:04,026 --> 00:35:05,426 Speaker 1: give us a stuff to talk about for the next 735 00:35:05,466 --> 00:35:07,586 Speaker 1: few month. Man, let's go. And otherwise I'm relying on 736 00:35:07,666 --> 00:35:09,626 Speaker 1: Brian Baldinger to give me his take on all these 737 00:35:09,626 --> 00:35:11,866 Speaker 1: big fellaws up front and the offensive lineman and the 738 00:35:11,946 --> 00:35:14,466 Speaker 1: human eclipse that some of these guys actually are. And 739 00:35:14,666 --> 00:35:17,226 Speaker 1: I'm always going to be with you, and I'm bringing 740 00:35:17,226 --> 00:35:18,626 Speaker 1: ice cream next time we do one of these shows. 741 00:35:18,786 --> 00:35:19,986 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys listening.