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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff. I never told your prediction by

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Speaker 2: her radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome to another unhappy hour because this is an

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Speaker 3: unhappy hour.

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Speaker 1: So I apologize for in advance.

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Speaker 3: If you are drinking anything or doing any adult partaking

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Speaker 3: of things, do so responsibly, you know, take care of

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Speaker 3: yourself and others around you. This is not sponsored currently

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Speaker 3: by anything that we talk about. I don't think. I

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Speaker 3: don't actually I say that without knowing what you're drinking

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Speaker 3: or what you're are partaking in any are you are

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Speaker 3: you drinking anything?

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Speaker 2: I've kind of a hot toddy situation.

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Speaker 4: Oh, we don't really say brands.

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Speaker 2: That's when we have to be very specific.

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Speaker 4: If it is a brand we know is sponsoring us,

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Speaker 3: So maybe we're calling out to say we like a

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's listening.

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Speaker 3: Maybe someone from marketing of those different brands who knows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, you know all of those things.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Yes, I am slipping on some bubbly water getting

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Speaker 1: Stupid pollen. It's raining today, so maybe you'll wash a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a way. Maybe maybe we're just growing

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Speaker 1: more things. Who knows, But yes, this.

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Speaker 3: Is an unhappy hour because yeah, I'm I'm, I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna have a moment. So I had another moment in

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Speaker 3: Because I see a like a giant difference, like you

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Speaker 3: Good changes for a little while, and it was definitely

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Speaker 3: And it's really disheartening to see because the people that

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Speaker 3: They would support me momentarily emotionally. If I needed help

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Speaker 3: Because they know I'm very different, they know my opinions

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Speaker 3: I'm getting there again because this conversation that we had

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Speaker 3: People were miserable, women were miserable, women were dying, women

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Speaker 3: would be absolutely to be able to kind of bond

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Speaker 2: I did have a friend that happened for and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, I'm sorry, y'all. I hope is better for y'all.

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Speaker 3: If you do have the good stories, send them with me, yes.

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Speaker 3: Or if you have suggestions about how I should.

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Speaker 1: Deal with my family, please let me know.

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