WEBVTT - The California Girls: Ep. 3, Reverse Shopping 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.160 Previously on Queen of the con. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.320 So this is the craigslisad here yep okay looking to 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.319 interview female shoplifters about why they do it and how 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:11.840 they do it. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.120 And that female shoplifter that I uncover is really plugged 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.000 into the whole southern California shoplifting scene. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:20.880 You just get a back full of stuff, you know, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.560 like that could be like one thousand dollars a day, 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:23.640 So you can. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.560 Make a thousand dollars a day shoplifting a. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.000 Couple of years ago, but now you can probably make 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:30.600 like maybe like five hundred dollars a day. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.720 But before Susan gets into actual shoplifting, she figures out 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.320 a clever way to make thousands of dollars by just 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:44.440 hanging outside big box stores. Wow, you just blew my mind. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.600 I never knew that was a fit. I mean, technically 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.440 it's not shoplifting and anyone can do it and get 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.280 a lot of cash, but it's still illegal. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.760 We met this kid who was like homeless and he 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.440 had no idea how to make money, and so we 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.760 told him about that, and we blew his mind too, 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:07.240 and we're like we're like yeah, he's like no, he's 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:08.360 like I can make money like this. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:21.840 I was like, yeah, I'm Jonathan Walton and this is 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:29.399 Queen of the Con Season six, The California Girls, Episode three, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:31.520 Reverse Shopping. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.679 We hate Lost Prevention, Oh my god, because Lost Prevention 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.640 they think that they're calm and they treat people like 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.240 that with such like disrespect. If they catch us on 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.880 a store, they're like the worst people. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.000 That's a woman we're calling Susan admitting she has Lost Prevention, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.640 those undercover security guard stores hired at cat shoplifters. Susan 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.239 is not her real name, and that's not her real voice. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.200 We're disguising it to make her comfortable enough to talk 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.440 to us. Right now, Susan is connecting with me on 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.679 zoom from her cell phone as her shoplifter boyfriend, who 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.280 you'll hear chime in every now, and then drives them 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.120 both to meet up with one of their many fences. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.720 Susan herself has been a professional shoplifter for the past 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.920 ten years, starting when she was just nineteen years old, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.280 which was about a year after her mother kicked her 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.720 out of the house and she became homeless. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.480 Have you been arrested, No, No, I've never been arrested 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:45.440 for shoplifting? 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.119 Have you been busted shoplifting by anyone? 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.480 By Walmart? 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.760 And like Target? But like what they do is like 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.079 have you caught by them? What they do is that 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:57.680 it make you like sign like a paper, you know, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.760 like saying that you'll never come back from this location. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.360 But then like Walmart has like facial recognition, you know, 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.520 and so like if you go into another Walmart, like 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.560 they'll like start following you around because you're in their system, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:09.880 do you. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:17.520 Know, so you're in Walmart's system? Yees. As for Target, I. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.280 Really hadn't been caught from Target for since like twenty eighteen, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:22.920 you know. And I was like they're like, oh, have 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.160 you ever been caught before? And I was like yeah. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:26.920 They're like, so you know the drill, you know, and 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.600 they take a picture of you for facial recognition purposes, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.240 and then they tell you that you can never come 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.880 back to this location. So they're like, when's the last 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:38.640 time you got caught. I was like, like, I was 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.160 like like a long time ago. I was like I 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.120 really haven't even been getting in forth trouble, you know. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.360 And they're like, oh, well, They're like and so they 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.840 pulled up what like a long time ago, like the 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.480 last time I got caught. They pulled it up in 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:50.960 their system and they're like, oh, and they told me 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.000 exactly what I stole, you know, and. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.920 I was like, yeah, I remember, you know. It was 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.839 only worth like forty dollars like total, I think. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.120 And then they let you go event right, how did 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:01.600 that happen? 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:02.480 Yeah? 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.280 They make you sign a paper saying that you will 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.520 never return to this location, and then they walk you right. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.000 Out the door and they never call the cops. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.320 No, no, because I hadn't stolen. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.840 I really haven't stolen, like like I haven't gotten caught stealing, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:16.320 Like I really don't. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.360 Like we don't really go to Target. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.120 Because Target is like one of the things that like 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.360 what do you how do you say? Yeah, they got 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.719 like a thousand cameras and like they they've got like 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.080 a team of like like their security system is like 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.919 on fleek, so to. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.800 Speak, good job Target. Let's give a shout out to Target. 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.279 Do you wear masks or disguises or anything. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:43.760 No, I've thought about it. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.080 I've thought about wearing like a wig or something, because 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.640 like I mean, like I'm blonde, and so it's like 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.240 kind of like really easy to like track me through 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.599 the store, but I don't. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.880 I probably, but that's what I mean. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:56.840 Like it's like it's like you can't really alter your 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:01.760 face your facial structure, you know, yeah, but then it's 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.760 super noticeable if you have a face basket in like 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.279 a store where like you know, like during COVID, it 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.600 was one thing, you know, like like COVID was like 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:09.800 a golden era. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.000 We would wear face masks everywhere, you know, and. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.800 You could just steal up a storm and nobody knows 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:21.599 who you are exactly. Susan never set out to be 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.359 a shoplifter. That was never her goal in life. But 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.880 she's been homeless a bunch of different times over the 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.480 past ten years in Elisa Viejo, than in Sacramento, and 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:38.040 most recently in the Los Angeles area. How long were 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.880 you homeless in LA before you found a place to live. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:43.640 We came down here. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.160 December, and we were homeless up until I want to say, 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:49.920 like April. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.960 And were you living on the street, Were you living 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:53.680 out of your car? 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.680 We were living out of our car until it got impounded. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.680 Being homeless is really kind of a gateway to an 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.960 onslaught of bad things, bad people, bad influences. I mean, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.600 if you're living on the street, your survival instincts kick 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.479 in and your sense of right and wrong changes accordingly. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:21.159 Before Susan became a full time professional shoplifter, stealing stuff 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.520 every day for all her fences. Remember of fence is 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.800 someone like Michelle Mack, someone who buys the stuff shoplifters steal. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.920 So before Susan finds her first fence, she made a 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.520 lot of money doing. 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.320 We would do like reverse shopping. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.200 Where we would like get receipt like cash receipt like 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.640 from Momart, and then you find the stuff in the 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.520 store and then you like go and take the stuff 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.640 in the store, and then you go and return it 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.440 and then you get cast for it. But then that 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.120 is like is like so tedious and so like like 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.560 a lot of times like you can't find like, you know, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.839 good enough receipts, you know, like because like people don't 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.000 use like their cash anymore. They use cards, you know, 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.039 and so when you when they use cards, like you 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:09.920 can't really get any any cash from them. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.960 Where are you finding these cash receipts? Like people throw 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.760 them in the garbage and you fish them out. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.840 No, No, like they're like the like they'll be like 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.480 like wandering around in parking lots, you know. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.960 Like so people just throw their receipts away on the 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.440 ground in the trash or whatever, and you're just searching 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.560 that parking lot for those cash receipts. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.960 Well, my boyfriend, so he would look like he would 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.160 find the receipts and then I would like he would 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.080 show them to me, and then I would go in 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.520 the thwing and get them. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.280 And then return it and get cash. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:41.040 Yeah. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.760 Yeah, wow, you just blew my mind. I never knew 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:52.960 that was a thing. With the receipt thing. It's literally 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.760 any cash receipt you find, you go and find that 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.240 product in the store, and then you return it and 0:07:58.280 --> 0:07:59.200 get cash. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.440 Like the best ones, Like the best receipts are like 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.840 usually like diapers because those are expensive. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.200 You know, never had a problem doing that, Like they 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.480 never figure it out. They think you bought the thing, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.840 they give you the cash back. Done. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:17.040 Well, So there's like open, there's there's a store like 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.800 a Walmart, right, and they refuse to do cash returns 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.440 like they like like they will not do cash returns. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.640 And it's funny because they had to get like Walmart's permission, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.560 like corporate Walmart's permission to like because like I know, 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:30.880 I don't know if you like notice, but like when 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.960 you go into a Walmart, they have like a sign 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.800 behind like the customer service, and it says, you know, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.600 at this Walmart, we can do non receded returns, right, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.640 And so they had to get like corporate Walmart's permission 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.520 to redo their sign that says that they will not 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:51.320 do no receiped returns. And so like that's like like 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.520 a known thing, you know, like if you're trying to 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.400 do return like at Walmart, like you cannot go to 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:57.280 the one like off. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:04.680 Of among your circle. Everyone knows that, yeah, exactly. So 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.160 Susan does this reverse shopping thing with cash receipts for 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.520 a couple of years to get by in between shoplifting 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.679 for herself. She's not doing it professionally at this point, 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.040 She's just stealing stuff she needs to live on, like. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:23.080 Grocery items, you know, like food. We walk out with 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.040 like a cart furll of groceries. You know, that's like 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:29.079 what we would do for ourselves. We had like no clothes, 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.880 and so you know, we were like trying to get 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.280 like anything that we needed or like from Target like 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.600 we would steel. I would steel like a cooler because 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.280 we were living out of our car for a little bit. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.360 You know, how do you take a cooler out of 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.520 target without them knowing? 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.360 Well, I would do like like I would swamp up 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.160 our codes, so like say, there's like a cheap personal 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.679 cooler for like ten dollars, you know, and then but 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.240 the one that we want is like really sixty dollars. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.720 They don't really know the difference between the the you know, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.800 whitch coolers, which as long as the the same brand. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.920 Do you worry they're watching you do that in the store? 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.120 Nobody really noticed. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.360 You kind of got to like make sure that like 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.959 like like because law promation will be like if you're 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.840 in their system, they're going to be following you around to. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.320 The store, so you have to make sure that you're 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:13.400 like watching them. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.440 But the way Susan gets drafted into becoming a professional 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:22.880 shoplifter and actually moves into her fence's house is just insane. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:33.920 After the break, welcome back to Queen of the Khan. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.720 So at this point, Susan and her boyfriend are homeless, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.520 living out of their car, and overnight they'd park wherever 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.760 a bunch of other homeless people are staying because when 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.679 you're homeless, there's safety in numbers. You don't want to 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.080 be sleeping anywhere by yourself. And in a very short time, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.560 Susan and her boyfriend start making friends with other homeless people. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.600 We ran into these people that they were like, you know, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.960 if you could give us a ride, because they asked 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.720 us for a ride down the street. You know, We're like, yeah, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.720 if you ever need a ride, you know, anywhere else, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.640 like let us know, you know. And so they told 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.120 us like basically like I've got a fence. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:16.559 And I need to. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.520 Go to stores, like like a bunch of stores. They 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.440 said that they would pay us good, you know, and 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.240 that we wouldn't have to steal anything, that we would 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.360 just have to like bring them there and then park 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.120 in the parking lot and then just you know, drive away. 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:31.480 They told us like would pay you like probably like 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.640 one hundred dollars to two hundred dollars a day. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:35.000 And so we were like all right. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.320 So then when we saw what they were doing and 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.959 then like like where they were going. At first we 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.720 were taking them to a house to where they could 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.199 sell their product to like this person, well that person 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.120 the fence there got caught because of all the people, 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:52.240 all the traffic coming. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:52.640 To her house. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.040 One of the people like that came to sell like 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.360 the product, went to the wrong house with a bunch 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.080 of products and so like they're like going up to 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.520 this like strange like this like random people's house and 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.240 they're like, yeah, I'm here to sell the product and 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:07.760 they're like. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.280 What product are you talking about? 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.760 So those people ended up calling the cop and that's 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.200 how she got caught. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:18.320 Wow, so it was a neighbor of hers. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.240 that's sloppy, right. Yeah, so they're paying you a couple 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.800 hundred dollars a day. At what point do you think, Ah, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.040 I'm gonna do what they're doing. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.760 Well, so a friend of ours, the first time that 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.960 we started driving around, they kind of like got like 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:41.280 out of like shoplifting and like started dealing drugs. Because 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.320 there was so much traffic at the fence's house, they 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.160 weren't staying there, and so they asked us if, like 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.360 if we needed a place to stay, and we were like, yeah, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.680 like that'd be really cool because the fence like she 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.600 rents out like every room there, like, oh, she'll even 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:01.640 rent out the garage per day, it's per day, So 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.640 like so for. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.960 One room, it's like fifty dollars a day. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.520 It's like almost in laws quarters, and it's like and 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.200 it's you get in by. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.839 A code, you know, on the door. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.880 And so a lot of people they'll just give her 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.240 a product for payment, so they'll bring her like, say, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.040 you stay there like two days, you know, then. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.520 You'll owe her one hundred dollars in product, you know. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.960 And how long were you living with this fence? 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.440 How long are you saying there? Probably like a couple months. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.240 And God, that doesn't seem very smart on her part, 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.760 right to have all these shoplifters staying at her house. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.600 Well, it really wasn't smart when she was having people 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.600 bring her product there too, like to buy it off. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.720 Them, like because that's what was happening. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.640 And then and then but then she got caught, and 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.160 so now she meets them like down the street. She 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.520 really needs to find like a different like approach because 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.720 like she'll meet people like in the same spot every day. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.560 So did she get a right did I've heard through 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.079 other shoplifters that she's like out on like a million 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.840 dollar bill. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.160 Oh wow, God, I didn't know. Yeah, are you worried 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.120 she's gonna like out you and give your name to them, 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:15.520 or does she even know your real name? 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.080 I don't think that she even knows. Like she knows 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.040 like who we are, like if she sees our face, 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.480 but like in terms of like if we call her, 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.280 like she gets so many phone calls a day, like 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.600 and there's so many people who show up, Like we 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.360 were waiting for her the other like the Knight that 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.760 I emailed you, we were waiting for her. We had 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.280 like maybe like two or three hundred dollars worth of stuff. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.040 They really had a few thousand dollars worth of stuff 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.440 that Defence was going to pay them two or three 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.520 hundred dollars for. You see, Susan and other shoplifters talk 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.880 about values based on what they get paid for the 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.560 stuff they steal, and not on what the stuff is 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:52.400 actually worth. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.160 In the stores we were waiting for her, we had 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.720 like maybe like two or three hundred dollars worth of stuff. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.920 We look around and there's like two or three different cars, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.080 you know, and then not to mention that how many 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.320 people show up on foot. It's crazy. It's just crazy 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.440 how many people show up. And you think that like 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.080 she would be like a little bit smarter with like 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.560 how she spaces out her buys or something. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.920 You know, like or like just switch it up. And 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.800 she always carries on like a lot of calf but 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.200 people know not to fuck with her. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.120 But that fence is clearly disorganized. But there's another fence. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.160 Susan works for a guy who runs his shoplifting criminal 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.560 enterprise a lot like Michelle mack ran hers like a 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.720 real fortune five hundred company. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.960 He'll like send like an uber. He'll he you won't 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.920 never meet him like in person. He'll send like an 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.920 uber packaged like delivery person. So that way like you 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.880 never have to be like face to face and like 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:52.600 risk like your freedom, you know. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.720 And you've never gone to his house. Nope, how do 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.040 you sell him the stuff? 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.880 So we'll call him and we'll say, yeah, we have 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.720 product for you. And so he'll send an uber like 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.880 an uber delivery package person right to come pick up 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.240 the package like with the products. And then when he 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.880 receives the products, he'll call us. He'll go over each 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.600 individual product so tell us like how much each thing 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.040 is like worth and so on and so forth, and. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:26.800 Then how will he pay you? Will he just Venmo. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.760 You he'll either Venmo or cash app. A lot of 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:31.600 times it's cash. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.680 App cash ap Okay. Interesting. I mean, he sounds like 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.120 he's going to be in the game a lot longer 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:37.280 than this other lady. Right. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.560 It's funny because he actually used to be a shoplister 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.000 just like us, and so one day the person. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.520 That was buying his product was going to go to 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:46.320 jail and he. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.800 She just kind of like handed over the keys to 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.360 the castolic to him was like, keep it going. He's 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:53.720 only been doing this for a couple of years and 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.280 has already made like over a million. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:55.840 Dollars in the bank. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.000 He told you that, Yeah, yeah, I mean he's really 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.000 he's really forthcoming. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:07.760 The other thing that differentiates this guy, this extremely organized fence, 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.879 from a lot of other fences Susan works for is 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:16.360 that he sends her and all his shoplifters really detailed lists, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.000 as in color coded PDFs with columns for what he'll 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.080 pay for each item. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.720 I emailed you the list and if you wanted to 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.600 just take a look at, I mean, it's eighty pages long. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.439 Like there's like everything from like oral be you know, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:36.000 whitening strips to you know, prenatal to wait, what like 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.520 the diaper rash being you know, like like everything. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.320 Oh my god. So this is like a PDF, color 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:50.000 coded with yty five pages. Oh my god, volumeizing, Tonic, 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.160 a lot of hair. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.200 Products, everything, everything. 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.639 I'm posting screen grabs of this list from Susan's fence 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.600 at Queen of the Khan on Instagram so you can 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:06.040 see just how insanely corporate it looks. That column on 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.200 the left is the price they pay you for. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.520 It, exactly. Yes, So like. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:16.080 Claren's Restorative day cream, they'll pay you thirty five dollars 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.600 to steal that Claton Clareiton's expensive. They'll pay you six 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:27.440 dollars for a Claiton chewable great flavor kids. Yep, wow, God, 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:33.840 this list it seems so professional, right, and. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.199 That's that's like the most professional like list like that 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.560 we've seen, Like, and it's very straightforward and that's what 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:39.240 we like, you know. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.879 Yeah, color coordinated. It's very straightforward. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.480 Whereas like another lady will just send us like pictures 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.000 like like literally like like take a picture or something 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.360 and then send it to us picture after picture after 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.280 the picture, you know, and like we'll have to ask her, okay, 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.639 so how much for this? And like she'll tell us 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.760 one price one day, and then the next day it'll 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.880 go down, you know, and we're like, well happened yesterday 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.440 it was twenty four and now it's twenty two. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.280 Yeah, wow, I'm still I'm still scrolling mucinext. They'll pay 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:12.439 you five dollars when you're filling the items on this list. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:14.920 Are you trying to get everything or you're just trying 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.159 to get the high dollar things? 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.800 It's like whatever really that you can get, like because 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.880 some stores, like most stores up for Orange County areas, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.359 they'll have like all the advil and all the titleal and. 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.119 Even sometimes like some of the toothpastes like. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.119 Locked up, you know, so where you have to like 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.719 get like a representative or like an employee to come 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.000 and unlock it, like and then then they'll walk it 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:40.440 up to like the rent or whatever. Down in South County, 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.560 you know, they're like they're it's not locked up down there, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.879 you know, like in the nicer areas of town, like 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.399 it's nothing locked up like the more expensive items like 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.960 Costco and Sam's Club, those like those usually. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.440 Have like the higher priced items. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.320 So I see here on the list they'll pay you 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.760 three hundred and fifty eight dollars to steal a two 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.480 ME Alpha three extended trip four wheeled packing suitcase. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.520 Yeah. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.040 Have you stolen one of those? 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:12.320 No, not yet. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.760 That's the most expensive thing that you steal. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.120 Normally, it's like a skin cream or a skin elixir 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.119