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Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the con.

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Speaker 2: So this is the craigslisad here yep okay looking to

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Speaker 2: interview female shoplifters about why they do it and how

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Speaker 2: they do it.

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Speaker 1: And that female shoplifter that I uncover is really plugged

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Speaker 1: into the whole southern California shoplifting scene.

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Speaker 3: You just get a back full of stuff, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that could be like one thousand dollars a day,

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Speaker 3: So you can.

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Speaker 1: Make a thousand dollars a day shoplifting a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of years ago, but now you can probably make

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Speaker 3: like maybe like five hundred dollars a day.

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Speaker 1: But before Susan gets into actual shoplifting, she figures out

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Speaker 1: a clever way to make thousands of dollars by just

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Speaker 1: hanging outside big box stores. Wow, you just blew my mind.

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Speaker 1: I never knew that was a fit. I mean, technically

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Speaker 1: it's not shoplifting and anyone can do it and get

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Speaker 1: a lot of cash, but it's still illegal.

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Speaker 3: We met this kid who was like homeless and he

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Speaker 3: had no idea how to make money, and so we

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Speaker 3: told him about that, and we blew his mind too,

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Speaker 3: and we're like we're like yeah, he's like no, he's

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Speaker 3: like I can make money like this.

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'm Jonathan Walton and this is

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Speaker 4: Queen of the Con Season six, The California Girls, Episode three,

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Speaker 4: Reverse Shopping.

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Speaker 3: We hate Lost Prevention, Oh my god, because Lost Prevention

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Speaker 3: they think that they're calm and they treat people like

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Speaker 3: that with such like disrespect. If they catch us on

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Speaker 3: a store, they're like the worst people.

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Speaker 1: That's a woman we're calling Susan admitting she has Lost Prevention,

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Speaker 1: those undercover security guard stores hired at cat shoplifters. Susan

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Speaker 1: is not her real name, and that's not her real voice.

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Speaker 1: We're disguising it to make her comfortable enough to talk

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Speaker 1: to us. Right now, Susan is connecting with me on

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Speaker 1: zoom from her cell phone as her shoplifter boyfriend, who

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Speaker 1: you'll hear chime in every now, and then drives them

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Speaker 1: both to meet up with one of their many fences.

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Speaker 1: Susan herself has been a professional shoplifter for the past

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Speaker 1: ten years, starting when she was just nineteen years old,

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Speaker 1: which was about a year after her mother kicked her

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Speaker 5: Have you been arrested, No, No, I've never been arrested

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Speaker 5: for shoplifting?

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Speaker 1: Have you been busted shoplifting by anyone?

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Speaker 5: By Walmart?

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Speaker 3: And like Target? But like what they do is like

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Speaker 3: have you caught by them? What they do is that

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Speaker 3: it make you like sign like a paper, you know,

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Speaker 3: like saying that you'll never come back from this location.

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Speaker 3: But then like Walmart has like facial recognition, you know,

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Speaker 3: and so like if you go into another Walmart, like

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Speaker 3: they'll like start following you around because you're in their system,

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Speaker 3: do you.

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Speaker 1: Know, so you're in Walmart's system? Yees. As for Target, I.

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Speaker 3: Really hadn't been caught from Target for since like twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 3: you know. And I was like they're like, oh, have

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Speaker 3: you ever been caught before? And I was like yeah.

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Speaker 3: They're like, so you know the drill, you know, and

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Speaker 3: they take a picture of you for facial recognition purposes,

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Speaker 3: and then they tell you that you can never come

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Speaker 3: back to this location. So they're like, when's the last

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Speaker 3: time you got caught. I was like, like, I was

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Speaker 3: like like a long time ago. I was like I

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Speaker 3: really haven't even been getting in forth trouble, you know.

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Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, well, They're like and so they

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Speaker 3: pulled up what like a long time ago, like the

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Speaker 3: last time I got caught. They pulled it up in

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Speaker 3: their system and they're like, oh, and they told me

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Speaker 3: exactly what I stole, you know, and.

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Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I remember, you know. It was

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Speaker 5: only worth like forty dollars like total, I think.

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Speaker 1: And then they let you go event right, how did

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: They make you sign a paper saying that you will

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Speaker 1: Out the door and they never call the cops.

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Speaker 5: No, no, because I hadn't stolen.

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Speaker 3: I really haven't stolen, like like I haven't gotten caught stealing,

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Speaker 3: Like I really don't.

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Speaker 5: Like we don't really go to Target.

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Speaker 3: Because Target is like one of the things that like

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Speaker 3: what do you how do you say? Yeah, they got

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Speaker 1: Speak, good job Target. Let's give a shout out to Target.

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Speaker 1: Do you wear masks or disguises or anything.

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Speaker 5: No, I've thought about it.

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Speaker 3: I've thought about wearing like a wig or something, because

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Speaker 3: like I mean, like I'm blonde, and so it's like

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Speaker 3: kind of like really easy to like track me through

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Speaker 5: I probably, but that's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like it's like it's like you can't really alter your

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Speaker 3: super noticeable if you have a face basket in like

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Speaker 3: a store where like you know, like during COVID, it

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Speaker 5: We would wear face masks everywhere, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: You could just steal up a storm and nobody knows

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Speaker 1: who you are exactly. Susan never set out to be

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Speaker 1: a shoplifter. That was never her goal in life. But

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Speaker 1: she's been homeless a bunch of different times over the

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Speaker 1: past ten years in Elisa Viejo, than in Sacramento, and

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Speaker 1: most recently in the Los Angeles area. How long were

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Speaker 1: you homeless in LA before you found a place to live.

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Speaker 5: We came down here.

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Speaker 3: December, and we were homeless up until I want to say,

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Speaker 1: And were you living on the street, Were you living

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Speaker 5: We were living out of our car until it got impounded.

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Speaker 1: Being homeless is really kind of a gateway to an

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Speaker 1: onslaught of bad things, bad people, bad influences. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're living on the street, your survival instincts kick

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Speaker 1: in and your sense of right and wrong changes accordingly.

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Speaker 1: Before Susan became a full time professional shoplifter, stealing stuff

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Speaker 1: every day for all her fences. Remember of fence is

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Speaker 1: someone like Michelle Mack, someone who buys the stuff shoplifters steal.

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Speaker 1: So before Susan finds her first fence, she made a

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Speaker 1: lot of money doing.

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Speaker 5: We would do like reverse shopping.

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Speaker 3: Where we would like get receipt like cash receipt like

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Speaker 3: and then you get cast for it. But then that

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Speaker 3: a lot of times like you can't find like, you know,

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Speaker 3: and so when you when they use cards, like you

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Speaker 1: Where are you finding these cash receipts? Like people throw

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Speaker 1: them in the garbage and you fish them out.

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Speaker 3: No, No, like they're like the like they'll be like

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Speaker 1: Like so people just throw their receipts away on the

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Speaker 3: Well, my boyfriend, so he would look like he would

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Speaker 3: find the receipts and then I would like he would

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Speaker 3: show them to me, and then I would go in

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Speaker 1: And then return it and get cash.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, you just blew my mind. I never knew

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Speaker 1: that was a thing. With the receipt thing. It's literally

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Speaker 1: any cash receipt you find, you go and find that

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Speaker 3: Like the best ones, Like the best receipts are like

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Speaker 3: usually like diapers because those are expensive.

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Speaker 1: You know, never had a problem doing that, Like they

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Speaker 1: they give you the cash back. Done.

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Speaker 3: Well, So there's like open, there's there's a store like

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Speaker 3: a Walmart, right, and they refuse to do cash returns

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Speaker 3: like they like like they will not do cash returns.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny because they had to get like Walmart's permission,

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Speaker 3: like corporate Walmart's permission to like because like I know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you like notice, but like when

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Speaker 3: at this Walmart, we can do non receded returns, right,

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Speaker 3: And so they had to get like corporate Walmart's permission

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Speaker 3: do no receiped returns. And so like that's like like

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Speaker 1: Of among your circle. Everyone knows that, yeah, exactly. So

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Speaker 1: Susan does this reverse shopping thing with cash receipts for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years to get by in between shoplifting

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Speaker 1: for herself. She's not doing it professionally at this point,

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Speaker 1: She's just stealing stuff she needs to live on, like.

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Speaker 3: Grocery items, you know, like food. We walk out with

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Speaker 3: like a cart furll of groceries. You know, that's like

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Speaker 3: what we would do for ourselves. We had like no clothes,

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Speaker 3: like anything that we needed or like from Target like

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Speaker 3: we would steel. I would steel like a cooler because

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Speaker 3: we were living out of our car for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You know, how do you take a cooler out of

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Speaker 3: Well, I would do like like I would swamp up

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Speaker 3: the one that we want is like really sixty dollars.

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Speaker 5: They don't really know the difference between the the you know,

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Speaker 1: Do you worry they're watching you do that in the store?

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Speaker 1: Nobody really noticed.

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Speaker 3: You kind of got to like make sure that like

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Speaker 5: The store, so you have to make sure that you're

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Speaker 1: But the way Susan gets drafted into becoming a professional

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Speaker 1: shoplifter and actually moves into her fence's house is just insane.

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Speaker 1: After the break, welcome back to Queen of the Khan.

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Speaker 1: So at this point, Susan and her boyfriend are homeless,

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Speaker 1: living out of their car, and overnight they'd park wherever

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other homeless people are staying because when

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Speaker 1: you're homeless, there's safety in numbers. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: be sleeping anywhere by yourself. And in a very short time,

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Speaker 1: Susan and her boyfriend start making friends with other homeless people.

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Speaker 3: We ran into these people that they were like, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you could give us a ride, because they asked

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Speaker 3: us for a ride down the street. You know, We're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: like let us know, you know. And so they told

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Speaker 5: And I need to.

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Speaker 3: Go to stores, like like a bunch of stores. They

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Speaker 3: Well, so a friend of ours, the first time that

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Speaker 3: It's like almost in laws quarters, and it's like and

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Speaker 5: You'll owe her one hundred dollars in product, you know.

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Speaker 1: And God, that doesn't seem very smart on her part,

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Speaker 3: Well, it really wasn't smart when she was having people

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Speaker 3: And then and then but then she got caught, and

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Speaker 3: So did she get a right did I've heard through

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Speaker 3: other shoplifters that she's like out on like a million

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, God, I didn't know. Yeah, are you worried

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Speaker 3: I don't think that she even knows. Like she knows

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Speaker 3: I emailed you, we were waiting for her. We had

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Speaker 1: They really had a few thousand dollars worth of stuff

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Speaker 3: In the stores we were waiting for her, we had

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Speaker 3: We look around and there's like two or three different cars,

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Speaker 5: You know, like or like just switch it up. And

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Speaker 1: But that fence is clearly disorganized. But there's another fence.

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Speaker 1: Susan works for a guy who runs his shoplifting criminal

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Speaker 3: He'll like send like an uber. He'll he you won't

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Speaker 1: And you've never gone to his house. Nope, how do

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Speaker 3: So we'll call him and we'll say, yeah, we have

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Speaker 1: Then how will he pay you? Will he just Venmo.

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Speaker 5: You he'll either Venmo or cash app. A lot of

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Speaker 1: App cash ap Okay. Interesting. I mean, he sounds like

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Speaker 1: he's going to be in the game a lot longer

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Speaker 1: than this other lady. Right.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because he actually used to be a shoplister

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Speaker 5: That was buying his product was going to go to

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Speaker 3: She just kind of like handed over the keys to

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Speaker 3: the castolic to him was like, keep it going. He's

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Speaker 3: only been doing this for a couple of years and

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Speaker 5: Dollars in the bank.

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Speaker 3: He told you that, Yeah, yeah, I mean he's really

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Speaker 1: The other thing that differentiates this guy, this extremely organized fence,

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Speaker 1: that he sends her and all his shoplifters really detailed lists,

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Speaker 1: as in color coded PDFs with columns for what he'll

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Speaker 3: I emailed you the list and if you wanted to

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Speaker 3: just take a look at, I mean, it's eighty pages long.

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Speaker 3: Like there's like everything from like oral be you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. So this is like a PDF, color

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Speaker 1: coded with yty five pages. Oh my god, volumeizing, Tonic,

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Speaker 1: a lot of hair.

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Speaker 5: Products, everything, everything.

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Speaker 1: I'm posting screen grabs of this list from Susan's fence

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Speaker 1: at Queen of the Khan on Instagram so you can

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Speaker 1: see just how insanely corporate it looks. That column on

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Speaker 5: It, exactly. Yes, So like.

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Speaker 1: Claren's Restorative day cream, they'll pay you thirty five dollars

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Speaker 1: to steal that Claton Clareiton's expensive. They'll pay you six

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Speaker 1: dollars for a Claiton chewable great flavor kids. Yep, wow, God,

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Speaker 1: this list it seems so professional, right, and.

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Speaker 3: That's that's like the most professional like list like that

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Speaker 3: we've seen, Like, and it's very straightforward and that's what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, color coordinated. It's very straightforward.

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Speaker 3: Whereas like another lady will just send us like pictures

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Speaker 3: so how much for this? And like she'll tell us

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Speaker 3: one price one day, and then the next day it'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I'm still I'm still scrolling mucinext. They'll pay

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to get everything or you're just trying

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Speaker 3: It's like whatever really that you can get, like because

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Speaker 5: Even sometimes like some of the toothpastes like.

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Speaker 3: Locked up, you know, so where you have to like

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Speaker 3: up to like the rent or whatever. Down in South County,

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Speaker 3: you know, they're like they're it's not locked up down there,

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Speaker 5: Have like the higher priced items.

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Speaker 1: So I see here on the list they'll pay you

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Speaker 1: ME Alpha three extended trip four wheeled packing suitcase.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Have you stolen one of those?

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Speaker 5: No, not yet.

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Speaker 1: That's the most expensive thing that you steal.

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Speaker 3: Normally, it's like a skin cream or a skin elixir

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Speaker 1: Skin Caviar, Lukes pre moisturizer. It's in a blue bottle.

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Speaker 5: Right, yes, yes, exactly, and I.

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Speaker 1: See one for six hundred dollars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's like like it depends on like what

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Speaker 5: But I mean, like.

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Speaker 3: We'll just get any of them, and when we hit Nordstrums,

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Speaker 3: we have to like come up with like a plan,

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Speaker 1: Wow, because if it's six hundred dollars a bottle, that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of money quick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And they don't have but they don't like keep

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Speaker 1: Susan and her boyfriend make thousands of dollars shoplifting, but

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Speaker 1: there's an annoyingly practical reason they still can't afford their

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Speaker 1: own apartment after the break. Welcome back to Queen of

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Speaker 1: the Con. I have no doubt that if Michelle Mack

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Speaker 1: would have probably crossed paths with her. But Michelle Mack

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Speaker 1: Susan moved to southern California.

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Speaker 5: No, I've never heard of Michelle Mack, but we have

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Speaker 5: a fence. She will buy anything, anything and everything like

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Speaker 5: designer your liftis, you know, like like by the bundle.

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Speaker 3: Or anything like Like she'll buy like like one hundred

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Speaker 1: She'll buy off you Do you ever go to like Sephora.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, like sport because they have the deor

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Speaker 5: Them up there, man.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: And they're always right by the door. They're always right

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Speaker 5: next to the exit.

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Speaker 1: And what's your trick to stealing lipsticks from Sephora.

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Speaker 5: It's easier to.

444
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Speaker 3: Go in with like a like a big coat on,

445
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Speaker 3: because like then you can just like grab like a

446
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Speaker 3: handful of them at a time and then just like

447
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Speaker 3: kind of like put them in your pockets.

448
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Speaker 1: But the disorienting thing about talking to this professional criminal

449
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Speaker 1: is just how nice and clearly intelligent she is. For

450
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Speaker 1: people listening who are asking the question, well, why don't

451
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Speaker 1: you guys just get jobs and stop shoplifting? What would

452
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Speaker 1: you tell them?

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Speaker 5: So when we got stuck down here, I had an ID.

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Speaker 5: I ended up losing that ID.

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Speaker 3: And so for us to like just get like enough

456
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Speaker 3: money like because like we were having to pay for

457
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 3: hotel like every night, you know, if we wanted a

458
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Speaker 3: shower like whatever, and so like to have enough money

459
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Speaker 3: like to like you know, live off of and then

460
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Speaker 3: to have an extra amount to like go get an

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Speaker 3: ID with because like I mean, ideas are like how

462
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Speaker 3: much like forty dollars now?

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you got to pay the fees. Yeah,

464
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Speaker 1: that's the thing you have to realize if you're homeless

465
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Speaker 1: and you get your hands in a few thousand dollars

466
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Speaker 1: from shoplifting, it's not nearly enough to get an apartment

467
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Speaker 1: because you'd usually need a check for the first month's rent,

468
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Speaker 1: the last month's rent, and a security deposit. Plus you'd

469
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Speaker 1: need proof of employment. So when Susan and her boyfriend

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Speaker 1: get money from shoplifting, they spend it on motels and

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Speaker 1: hotels so they can sleep in an actual bed at

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Speaker 1: night and have a roof over their heads. And that

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Speaker 1: cost adds up fast, so they're in this perpetual suite

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Speaker 1: of stealing enough to afford a motel or hotel to

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Speaker 1: stay in and afford food to eat in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: Susan says she's always looking for a real job. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's how she found my Craigslist post in the

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Speaker 1: gigs offered section. She was looking for a job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I keep sending out like I

480
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Speaker 3: have a resume, you know, I made a really good resume,

481
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Speaker 3: and I mean, like I've had jobs in the past.

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Speaker 3: It's usually not hard for me to get a job,

483
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Speaker 3: but like lately around here, like the jobs I've had

484
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Speaker 3: in the past are like, you know, cashier jobs, like

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Speaker 3: working at like food barista's.

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Speaker 1: You know, Susan's not having a lot of success on

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Speaker 1: the job front, but she recently reconnected with her grandmother

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Speaker 1: and certain members of her family. Her grandmother is actually

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Speaker 1: letting Susan and her boyfriend live with her. Now, what's

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Speaker 1: your dream? What's your five year plan? Five years from now?

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to be, if you could be anywhere,

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Speaker 1: if you could be doing anything five years from now,

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Speaker 1: what's your dream?

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Speaker 5: My dream is too.

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Speaker 3: The reason I moved with my grandma's because she she

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Speaker 3: worries about me, you know, and she wants to make

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Speaker 3: sure that when she's gone that I can be self

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Speaker 3: supporting and not have to like rely upon really anybody,

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Speaker 3: you know in my life. And I want to do

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Speaker 3: the same thing because like my cousin had just graduated

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Speaker 3: from you know, college recently, and so really like it's

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Speaker 3: like it was kind of like an inspiration and for

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Speaker 3: me to get back into school, you know, like and

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Speaker 3: so hopefully so in five years I will be graduating.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really do listen, and I mean this sincerely.

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Speaker 1: I am so moved talking to you. You've really changed

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Speaker 1: my mind about a lot of things. And I you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you're an amazing person. I think you're super smart.

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Speaker 1: I think if you apply yourself and you get that degree,

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Speaker 1: I think you have a super bright future ahead of you.

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Speaker 1: You need to get into loss prevention. If I was

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Speaker 1: the head of Target or the head of Nordstrums, I

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Speaker 1: would hire you. I would be like, let me pay

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Speaker 1: you one hundred and fifty grand a year to help

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Speaker 1: our people cut down on retail theft. Like who better

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Speaker 1: than you?

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Speaker 5: Thank you?

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Speaker 6: Like really, yeah, because you've learned all these tricks, like

519
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 6: you could help them and be it live an honest living. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm worried about you now a matter of time before

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Speaker 6: the cars question.

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Speaker 3: If you're trying to like stay on that straight and

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Speaker 3: narrow you know, like the you know, not not do

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Speaker 3: this like whenever we need money, just because also because

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Speaker 3: like you know, defence is is pretty close to getting caught,

526
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Speaker 3: you know, and like and if we like, if we

527
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Speaker 3: keep selling to her, then we're probably gonna get caught

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Speaker 3: red handed.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I hope and pray you go on the straight and narrow,

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Speaker 1: you get your degree. I hope and pray you get

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Speaker 1: into loss prevention and get a get a good job.

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Speaker 1: And because you know this is not going to end, well,

534
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: look what happens. Everyone gets arrested, everyone goes to jail.

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Speaker 1: I hope you take this advice. I hope you get

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Speaker 1: on that track. And you know, because I feel like

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00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: you're you're coasting close to the edge any day that yeah,

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00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: you're under arrest for stealing a six hundred dollars moisturizer

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00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: from Norse Drums exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with facial recognition. We're preparing, you know, like

541
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Speaker 3: we're like, I don't want to do this for like ever,

542
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: Like it means to an end, you know, it means

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00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: to to just like get get the money that you

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00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: need like for the time being. I mean, yeah, you're

545
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: either gonna get caught and due the time, or you're

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00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: gonna stop and get a natural job, you know.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it breaks my heart that you kind

548
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: of got abandoned by your mother and your father died,

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00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: and you know, you haven't had any like parental advice

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00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: or supervision or guidance the past few years. But let

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00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: me tell you this. I know schools hard and college

552
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: can be hard, but I've talked to you more than

553
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: an hour now. You are super smart. There's nothing you

554
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: can't figure out. So whatever class you're taking in college,

555
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: just know that there's a way through it. You can

556
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: ace the class. You did a great job. Thanks for

557
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: being so honest and forthcoming. I really appreciate it.

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00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Not gonna lie. Getting to know professional shoplifter Susan has

560
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Speaker 1: really affected me as I try to explain to my

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00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: buddy Evan Goldstein.

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00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: What's wrong.

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00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: It's just you ever go into a situation thinking one

564
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: thing to realize it's something else, entirely.

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Speaker 2: My first marriage. But what are you talking about? What

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00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: do you mean?

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Speaker 1: So when I started this season the Queen of the

568
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: Cohn about shoplifters. Shoplifters were like these evil people destroying society.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I spent a couple hours talking to the

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Speaker 1: shoplifter and honestly, it just broke my heart. It broke

571
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Speaker 1: my heart.

572
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: What what do you mean?

573
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean? This woman got kicked out of the house

574
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Speaker 1: when she was eighteen. Her dad died of cancer. Her

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00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: mom didn't like her and took all the money. The

576
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: dad left and sold the house and has been bike

577
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: riding all over the world with a thousand dollars bicycle.

578
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: She's in Africa now biking. Like kicked the daughter out

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Speaker 1: of the house, at eighteen she was homeless, Like this

580
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: woman was homeless at eighteen, and you know what would

581
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Speaker 1: have become of you? Like, I know your parents. They

582
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: are nice, loving, kind people who have always supported you.

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00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: Still to this day, they kind of support you. They

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00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: look after your kids when you guys need date night. Yeah,

585
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: like your parents are always there. What would have become

586
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: of you? Where would you be today if you got

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Speaker 1: kicked out of the house at eighteen?

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Speaker 2: I couldn't even imagine it.

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00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: I can tell you where you wouldn't be. You wouldn't

590
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: be executive producing William Shatner's show, Yeah, and wouldn't be

591
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: doing that.

592
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, where the fuck would I be?

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00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you don't know, you know, it's like

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00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: there but for the grace of God go both of us.

595
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: And this poor girl got kicked out of the house

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Speaker 1: at eighteen, and she fell in literally with the wrong crowd.

597
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: She was homeless. She fell in with other homeless and

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Speaker 1: that's where she learned how to shoplift for money.

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00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's you know, it's survival.

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00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: It's survival.

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00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: Like you got to eat, you fundamentally need to eat.

602
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: And then imagine your morals, your sense of right and wrong,

603
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: what happens.

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00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: To that, Oh, it would be so skewed because.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like prison. There are different rules in prison.

606
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: There are different rules when you're homeless.

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00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you have to survive. You have to do

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00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: what you need to do to get by, and you

609
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: don't have a roof over your head. What do you

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00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: have to lose? You have nothing to.

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Speaker 1: Lose, nothing to lose. Sorry to be such a downer here,

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00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: but it just seems to me that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these quote professional shoplifters are really living hand to mouth.

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00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: They're not making millions of dollars selling all their stolen

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00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: stuff on Amazon like Michelle Mack was. They're the bottom

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00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: feeders in this relationship. And as with any relationship, it's

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00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: the one with the money who makes all the rules.

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00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: It's the one with the money that has the upper hand.

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Speaker 1: It's the one with the money that has all the control.

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Speaker 1: What Michelle Mack was doing was human trafficking. What Sergeant

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Speaker 1: Jordan Marakian again explaining a concept I never even thought

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Speaker 1: to consider.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, if you really think about it, right, the definition

624
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 7: of human trafficking is you're basically exploiting a human being

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00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 7: and forcing them, coercing them or paying them to do

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00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 7: a service for ill gotten gains, for illegal activity, human trafficking.

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