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Speaker 2: We did it. We made it to a Friday. I

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Speaker 2: was taken the under but we are here. It's a

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Speaker 2: meat Friday at that and we are fired up, and

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Speaker 2: so were the trigger grills. We have grilled ribbis, we

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Speaker 2: have strip steaks, we have filet mignon, We have garlic

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Speaker 2: butter lobster tales. We have cea scalps with pumpkin risotto.

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Speaker 2: Who has it better than we do?

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Speaker 1: Oh body?

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Speaker 2: All meat and seafood provided by Heartland Heartland Steak Company.

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Speaker 2: All right, come on in, stay awhile Dan Orlovsky the

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Speaker 2: mother Ship will stop by. We'll recap what we saw

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Speaker 2: with the Ravens. And I've been telling you this the

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Speaker 2: last two weeks. Vegas is all over the Ravens to

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Speaker 2: win the AFC North and they were saying this prior

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Speaker 2: to these last two games that they won. Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 2: back in a big way in the Miami Dolphins. Charles

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Speaker 2: Barkley will join us coming up a little bit later

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Speaker 2: on as well. We'll have the most most win game

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Speaker 2: of the weekend. We got baseball tonight. It's Game six

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Speaker 2: in Toronto. We'll preview that as well. College football this weekend,

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Speaker 2: Penn State, Ohio State, Vandy, Texas is probably the spiciest one. Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: USC and Nebraska. Speaking of Nebraska, Matt Ruhle, their head coach,

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Speaker 2: got an extension. I love when coaches or their agents

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Speaker 2: flirt with these other schools and their so called openings

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Speaker 2: and Matt rule. Penn State guy good friends maybe best

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Speaker 2: friends with the athletic director there, but they decided that

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Speaker 2: maybe they were going in a different direction. Perhaps, or

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Speaker 2: Matt Ruhle put it out there that maybe he was

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Speaker 2: interested or they were interested in him. But Nebraska said, well,

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Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere. I think he's locked up to

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Speaker 2: twenty through twenty thirty two. But I gave him of rays,

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Speaker 2: maybe a couple of year extension. None of these things matter,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, man, how long are you going to

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Speaker 2: be there? Man? They signed me up for ten years.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be there for ten years. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he'll be there through twenty thirty two. None

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Speaker 2: of these guys stay ren, don't buy shuck around and

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Speaker 2: find out, yes, the T shirt's available. As the New

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Speaker 2: Orleans Saints have turned to Tyler shuck against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: They are like thirteen or fourteen point underdogs against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: But you can be the first on your block to

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Speaker 2: get a shuck around and find out t shirt a

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Speaker 2: happy Halloween. By the way, Dylan, I believe is the

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Speaker 2: only one in the building who got dressed up. Todd

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Speaker 2: was flirting with getting dressed up.

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Speaker 3: I've had a little something. I meant to put it

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Speaker 3: on before the show started. It's not a whole outfit

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Speaker 3: or anything. It's something basic, but I'll work in it.

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Speaker 2: How did you forget to get dressed up?

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Speaker 3: Because I have it in the bag behind me, and

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Speaker 3: I meant to have it for the very start of

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Speaker 3: the show. It's something that's facial item. But I can

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Speaker 3: put it on an now, or I could shug it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, okay, yea, yeah, put it on. Let me

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Speaker 2: see what you got here. Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna snitch.

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Speaker 4: Early this morning, Fritzie was in the back room trying

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Speaker 4: out his poll questions in a stand up routine on

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Speaker 4: the brg's Today.

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Speaker 2: All the backroom guys, they all said, oh, okay, so are

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Speaker 2: you Jason from Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Jason Vori's Friday the Thirteenth's very simple hockey

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Speaker 3: mask thing.

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Speaker 5: Okay, well, my wife thought I was han.

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Speaker 3: Able lector for some reason, so like that's kind of

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Speaker 3: disappointed me that you didn't get to who I was.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'll keep.

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Speaker 3: This on until I feel like, you know, I'm starting

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Speaker 3: of those Milwaukee situations.

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Speaker 5: I don't take it off.

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked that you have something that could make you

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Speaker 2: clust your folks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this won't be on very long because I'm already

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Speaker 3: be done, Like the oxygen's not getting through the holes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm glad that you got dressed up. Nobody

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Speaker 3: This character's not supposed to talk, which I know you

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Speaker 2: It's not possible today, it's impossible. I've been warned by

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Speaker 2: a couple of the backroom guys that look out. Mario,

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Speaker 2: who's the director, said good luck, good luck with Todd.

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Speaker 2: It's a Friday fritzy, but it's a Halloween Friday fritzy,

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Speaker 2: and I welcome it with open ORMs. Ton do you

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Speaker 2: have poll questions?

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Speaker 6: Here?

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you're watching on peacock, you get

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Speaker 2: and we say good morning to our radio affiliates around

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Speaker 2: the country. Operator Tyler is sitting by. He'll take your

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Speaker 2: phone calls seat, and we'll do the poll question, honors. Okay, Todd,

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Speaker 2: Halloween related poll questions?

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Speaker 1: Do you have on the spot?

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Speaker 2: You have Halloween pole questions?

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Speaker 5: I got to go out a couple of things.

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Speaker 6: If you can hear from me.

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Speaker 2: Are you handling the pole questions or sea seating this?

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Speaker 3: But this is just a hollow couple of Halloween ones.

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Speaker 7: If we want to do that or we could not

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Speaker 7: do it, that's up.

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Speaker 5: To you guys.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you can do the poll questions, Tod.

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Speaker 7: When do you buy your Halloween candy a week before

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Speaker 7: a few days before that day?

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Speaker 6: Never?

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Speaker 7: I don't answer the door for trick or treat as

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Speaker 7: I pretend I'm.

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Speaker 3: Home one of those families.

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Speaker 7: Okay, when buying Halloween candy, to what extent do you

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Speaker 7: take into accomped peanut allergies or a choking hazard? Very

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Speaker 7: much a passing thought. I don't I get what I like,

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Speaker 7: So I can consume the leftover treats.

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Speaker 3: It's a little insensitive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Scariest movie character Carrie Carrie White from the movie Carrie,

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Speaker 7: Chucky from Child's Play, Damien Thorn from The Omen, Freddy

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Speaker 7: Krueger at Nightmare on Elm Street, Hannibal Left through the

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Speaker 7: Silence of the Lambs, Jack Torrance from The Shining Jason

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Speaker 7: Vori's Friday the Thirteenth, leather Face, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Michael

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Speaker 7: Myers from Halloween. Penny Wise is hit the clown or other?

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Speaker 6: Okay, and I had a few others.

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Speaker 2: If you have time, well take off your mask again.

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Speaker 2: It's starting to annoy me.

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Speaker 3: Are you getting scared?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Very What do you think of people who just leave

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Speaker 3: That's just playing lazy the honor system with kids in candy?

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Speaker 6: Are you stupid or something?

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Speaker 3: Or it's refreshing to see such trust in today's youth.

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Speaker 6: Seeton.

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Speaker 2: You got any pull questions? I do. Okay.

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Speaker 8: Let's say the Dolphins need a new coach, a new quarterback,

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Speaker 8: a new coach and a new quarterback or a fresh start.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what we were talking about before the

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Speaker 2: show started. If you're the Dolphins and you're the Dolphins ownership,

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Speaker 2: do you start to sell off pieces even though you

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Speaker 2: still have two under contract? You don't know if Tyreek

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Speaker 2: get rid of your best receiver in Jalen Watdall, You're

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Speaker 2: going to get rid of your edge rushers? Is this

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Speaker 2: a complete rebuild with a guy who's making fifty four

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Speaker 2: million dollars? I don't know what the upside is. If

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Speaker 2: I'm a coaching candidate and you're going to try to

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Speaker 2: entice me to go to the Dolphins, You're not enticing

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Speaker 2: me by getting rid of your best receiver and or

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Speaker 2: some of your edge rushers, because the Dolphins do have talent.

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Speaker 2: And that was a game. For at least one half.

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Speaker 2: After that, it just felt like the Dolphins were sitting

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Speaker 2: It just felt like, let's put a stamp on it

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Speaker 2: and mail it in. But I can't see taking the

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Speaker 2: wrecking ball and saying we're gonna rebuild, because you can't

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Speaker 2: get rid of Tua for at least another year. And

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna fire Mike McDaniel and you're gonna bring

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Speaker 2: me in. I'd be like, h man, this looks pretty

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Speaker 2: pretty sparse. What else do you have seton?

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Speaker 8: Let's see, we also have Lamar Jackson running less. Is

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Speaker 8: a good thing or a bad thing? Well, we were

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Speaker 8: looking at the numbers here. I think it's a good

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Speaker 8: thing because I think he's a better passer than people

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Speaker 8: give him credit for. If you look at quarterbacks rushing attempts,

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Speaker 8: Jayden Daniels has he averages over eight carries a game

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Speaker 8: justin fields seven and a half. Jalen Hurts a little

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Speaker 8: just under six. In fact, Kyler Murray patrick Mahomes averaged

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Speaker 8: the same number of carries five point eight yards. Lamar

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Speaker 8: at five and Bo Knicks at four point nine. He

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Speaker 8: is running less, and I think given the injuries here

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Speaker 8: and certainly this hamstring, I think these numbers are going

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Speaker 8: to be lower the second half of the season for him.

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Speaker 2: But he's he's finally being given credit for being a

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Speaker 2: better passer. He loves his tight ends. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: usually his go to guys, and I think he had

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Speaker 2: three touchdown passes to tight ends last night. It's a

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Speaker 2: different offense obviously with him in there. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's as explosive because I don't know if you can

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Speaker 2: rely on him to be that kind of quarterback at

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Speaker 2: least this year. But passing wise, he's he was great

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Speaker 2: last night, four touchdown passes.

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Speaker 8: What else do we have? Got one here from Paul?

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Speaker 8: Which team's situation feels the most helpless? Browns, Dolphins, Jets, Saints, Titans.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, take your pick.

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Speaker 8: Well, let's see, I wouldn't say the Dolphins for the

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Speaker 8: reasons you just said. They have a lot of talent

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Speaker 8: on that team. It's just not working. They obviously need

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Speaker 8: to restructure a couple of things, but they got some guys.

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Speaker 2: The Titans feels really dark, sad. I mean, you got

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Speaker 2: cam Ward, but what else do you really have there?

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Speaker 2: The Saints, it doesn't feel like that's a mess. Like

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Speaker 2: have you said, Okay, what's a mess? The Jets prior

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Speaker 2: to beating the Bengals was a mess. The Dolphins feels

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Speaker 2: like a mess. The Browns mess ish. But the Saints,

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Speaker 2: you know, I didn't expect anything out of them, and

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Speaker 2: it feels like, let's try Tyler Shuck, see if we

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Speaker 2: have anything here. If not, we draft a quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you just got Kellen Moore. They do have some pieces there,

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Speaker 2: So I would say the Titans, I mean even Carolina,

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Speaker 2: even though Carolina has got some wins. I just don't

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Speaker 2: know if you're sold on you know, Bryce Young.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I don't know if we gave Spencer Rattler enough

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Speaker 8: of a chance, just saying I felt bad for the

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Speaker 8: lad Well.

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Speaker 2: He did get a win, he finally got a win

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Speaker 2: as a starter for the Saints. But I want to

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Speaker 2: find out what they have in Tyler Shuck And did

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Speaker 2: they go to him sooner than I thought? Yes, I

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Speaker 2: thought he was going to be like a back half

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Speaker 2: five game, six games. You know, everybody is on the

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Speaker 2: fast pass, everything's expedited. It's like, we got to find

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Speaker 2: out about our quarterback and if not, we got to

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Speaker 2: move on, move on after two years.

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Speaker 2: you again. How many franchise quarterbacks are there in the NFL?

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Speaker 5: I'd probably say twelve right now, would be my guest

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Speaker 5: gonna put Rogers in there just because of his age.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm talking a little bit of longevity. C. J. Stroud,

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Speaker 5: I'll say that because I'm putting Drake May in there,

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna put Stafford in there once again because

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Speaker 2: Man, you're friendly.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean depends on what you want out of

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Speaker 5: first tier would be we win games because of you,

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Speaker 5: and that's a very small group. That's Lamar, that's Patrick,

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Speaker 5: group that we win a lot of games with you,

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Speaker 5: and that's probably the group that fills up that another

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Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm under the belief, Dan, that this

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Speaker 5: I mean there's I just routed off fifteen Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 5: there's only three or four that they erase everything, but

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Speaker 2: Games with Lamar Jackson last night. I've always felt like

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Speaker 5: this is most quarterbacks nowadays. I think this is the

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Speaker 5: But I don't think that there's a defensive coordinator saying,

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Speaker 2: If you ran the Dolphins. So I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: What would I do moving forward. I'm a fan of

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Speaker 5: and they really have it recovered. I don't think the

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Speaker 5: forgot how to play. It's easier said than done. It's

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Speaker 5: But that roster really has a lot of voids talent wise,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you didn't put Tua in your franchise quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: out of names. I would put two in that group. Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: As far as ability to play. Now, the caveat the

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Speaker 2: every weekday they start at for Eastern, we make a

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Speaker 5: I want a ton in the regular season right. So

435
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Speaker 5: in that regard, there's no doubt about it that it is.

436
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Speaker 5: They obviously haven't gotten it done.

437
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Speaker 2: It's like the Colts and the Patriots when Peyton was

438
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: playing Tom. It's like the Red Sox and Yankees before

439
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: the Red Sox finally won. It's a great regular season

440
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: and then it comes to you know, nut cut in

441
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: time and they fail.

442
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the way that the games go in

443
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 5: the postseason make me think a little bit more towards

444
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 5: this as a bonafide rivalry. Both quarterbacks have been exceptional

445
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 5: in those games. We don't have, you know, the the

446
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Speaker 5: journey of Mahomes and some of the really kind of

447
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 5: moments that he's had. We don't have that thirteen second

448
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: dump off, the Kelsey kicked field goal unless we have

449
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 5: that Allen performance two years ago. We don't have, you know,

450
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Speaker 5: the Mahomes journey unless we have Josh being unbelievable and

451
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 5: then the drop and the missed field goal. We don't

452
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Speaker 5: have that last year again with Patrick's run to the

453
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Speaker 5: super Bowl, unless we have that unbelievable game in Kansas City. So,

454
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Speaker 5: you know, I think because of that perform I mean,

455
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Speaker 5: to your point, I understand that they haven't gotten it

456
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Speaker 5: done in the playoffs, but they're still great games and

457
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks have been great, and so I think that

458
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 5: bonafides ivory.

459
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Speaker 2: Have the Chiefs gotten into the Patriots category of their hateable, Oh.

460
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Speaker 5: Gosh, yeah, they've been there. I mean, I have four kids.

461
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 5: We're a sports family. Part of this is because my

462
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 5: wife is a Philly girls. So my kids are diehard

463
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Speaker 5: Philly sports fans. And I say this, and I love Patrick.

464
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 5: My sons hate Patrick. They can't stand them, you know,

465
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 5: because he's not good. Yes, yes, that's the reason why.

466
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Speaker 5: I mean they are Patrick Mahomes Jalen Hurts, you know,

467
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 5: so much better. And I'm like, guys, Patrick's ridiculous, and

468
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 5: so yeah, I think there's a lot of people that

469
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Speaker 5: dislike them because of their success. No question.

470
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Speaker 2: Do you break down Patrick Mahomes for your boys to

471
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Speaker 2: understand the time.

472
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Speaker 5: All the time, but they don't want to listen to it.

473
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 5: Like they don't want to listen to it. I'll be like, guys,

474
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Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes can do stuff that no one can't. The

475
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 5: first person out of their mouth, first name out of

476
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 5: their mouth would be like Jalen Hurts could do that,

477
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 5: you know, and I'll be like, no, Jalen's a great player,

478
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 5: but he's not this person, you know, and so I

479
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 5: break him down all the time to him. I think

480
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 5: I do that for a lot of the quarterbacks. But yeah,

481
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: Patrick is a guy that I'm aaron playing so well,

482
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 5: I'm like and Matthew Dad used to play, you know

483
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 5: with these guys, and then they make fun of me

484
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 5: for being old, but yeah, they're into it.

485
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Speaker 2: It feels like Jalen Hurts is more of a rival

486
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Speaker 2: to Patrick Mahomes than Josh Allen.

487
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Speaker 5: Yes, because he's gotten it done in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I want to know. What do you

489
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: do when you have to win a game, when I'm

490
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Speaker 2: relying on you to win a game. Josh Allen's a

491
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: wonderful talent, so is Lamar Jackson. But you don't want

492
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Speaker 2: to be Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing to Michael Jordan, Sure.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would tell you that Josh and Lamar, while

494
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Speaker 5: in the same group of not getting it done, one

495
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 5: has not had it happen. Not because of his performance.

496
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Speaker 5: I mean, Josh has been great. Lamar is the guy

497
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Speaker 5: that we would sit there and go, exceptional player. He's

498
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Speaker 5: the one who is falling a little bit more flat

499
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Speaker 5: in those matchups and or in the playoffs than Josh has.

500
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 5: So I agree with you, they got to get it done.

501
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 5: I mean it's everyone. I think there's a vast majority

502
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 5: of NFL fans that look at Buffalo and look at

503
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: Baltimore and go, we hope you get it done. We

504
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 5: want to see you finally win it because both franchises

505
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 5: have been so good for the past five or six years.

506
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 5: Both quarterbacks are great. There's nothing else for either quarterback

507
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Speaker 5: to accomplish other than that, and so, and both organizations

508
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 5: are very well run. So I think there's a huge

509
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 5: group that would love to see a Baltimore Buffalo get

510
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 5: it done. But they got to get it done.

511
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Speaker 2: How challenging is it on a daily basis? When you

512
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: go into the mothership you see the rundown and you

513
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: know the Cleveland Browns and Shador Sanders or the Cowboys

514
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: are going to be on there, and you got to

515
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: come up with something new, something French.

516
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard, I mean especially, I mean I always

517
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 5: say this next month is the hardest month for me

518
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 5: at my job. I know who like the playoff teams

519
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 5: are for the most part, or at least of a group.

520
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: I know what they're good at, I know what they're

521
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 5: not good at. I can only go on TV so

522
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 5: much and tell these people this team can run the ball,

523
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 5: this team can't, this team's quarterback's really good, this team's isn't.

524
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 5: And so you get into a little bit of a

525
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 5: monotony in that element, and then I know that, Okay,

526
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 5: the Cowboys are going to be on there. Shador is

527
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 5: going to be a talking point. I think being on daily,

528
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 5: I think the people behind the scenes know me well enough.

529
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Speaker 5: What do you have to say about the Cowboys?

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Speaker 6: Nothing.

531
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Speaker 5: I don't have to say anything about the Cowboys. Guys,

532
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 5: I don't and I don't want to talk about the Cowboys. Well,

533
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 5: we have to talk about the Cowboys. No, we don't.

534
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 5: We can go one day without talking about the Cowboys.

535
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 5: I mean, you know how it is at ESPN. I

536
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 5: always say, like some of the reality is there's so

537
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: many programs at ESPN, and it takes so much manpower

538
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 5: or to operate each program as well as they do that,

539
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 5: like there's a little bit of a silo reality, like

540
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 5: seven o'clock Sports Center is really concerned about seven o'clock

541
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 5: Sports Center and so they're trying to make their version

542
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 5: of that show as good as possible. They don't care

543
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: if eight o'clock get Up is getting you know, the

544
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: first thing out of their mouth is the Cowboys. They're

545
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: focused on theirs, and so it's challenging. I try to

546
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: find different ways to talk about the teams or educate

547
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 5: the teams or the situations. I think you just I've

548
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 5: learned it. Then I have to be very disciplined, you know.

549
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 5: I have to be very disciplined, because I think when

550
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 5: I was younger, you fall into the mindset if you

551
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 5: have to say something and then you ten minutes after

552
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: saying it, you go, why did I just say that?

553
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: That was stupid?

554
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: I don't actually think that way, and so I've tried

555
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 5: to get very disciplined about it all.

556
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I understand there are times when you

557
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: talk about the Cowboys that offense and Dak was playing

558
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: really well. It's a shame they don't have an average

559
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: defense because they'd be a playoff team. The Brown sit

560
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: youuation is it feels like, you know, everybody is pushing

561
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: for this Shador Sanders moment. Social media wants this badly. Yeah,

562
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Speaker 2: and I don't I hope he gets a chance to play,

563
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: you know, Dylan Gabriel, give him, you know, six seven,

564
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: eight starts. There's your sample size. Can he play? Same

565
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: thing with Shador Sanders, but being a rookie and you know,

566
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: getting pushed in there with a bad team. I don't

567
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: know if we like cam Ward. I don't know how

568
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: good cam Ward is because it's on a bad team

569
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: and you're gonna put him in there and then all

570
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden it's going to be well, you put

571
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: him in there and the team's not any good either way.

572
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: It feels like you can't win in this situation.

573
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I think the thing that you know

574
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 5: with the cam Ward thing, I think you can unequivocally

575
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 5: watch cam Ward throw and be like, yep, we could

576
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 5: do that. There's a lot to work with there. I

577
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: think your point with the Shador situation is totally fair.

578
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 5: The men that Shador has gathered and earned in some

579
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 5: ways we know why. I mean, he was a high

580
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 5: end high school recruit that went with his dad to

581
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 5: a small school. They were super successful. They go to Colorado,

582
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 5: they do a lot of successful things at Colorado. He

583
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 5: was a controversial draft prospect because of stories and play

584
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 5: and talent and how good is he and whatnot and

585
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 5: all that. You know. I think that Shadoor is eventually

586
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: going to play this season. I would not be surprised

587
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 5: if he plays within the next three or four games

588
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 5: unless things drastically change with Dylan Gabriel and his performance,

589
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 5: because he's just been okay, if you know, probably at best,

590
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 5: it's not going to be an ideal situation for Shaudor.

591
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: It very rarely is for rookie quarterbacks, certainly ones that

592
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: are drafted late, and so Shaudor is going to have

593
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 5: to make the best of it when he gets out there,

594
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 5: if he gets out there. But I agree, it's not

595
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: going to be the ideal situation to truly evaluate how

596
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 5: good he is. But that doesn't mean he can't take

597
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 5: advantage of it and really start to raise some eyebrows

598
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 5: in the building.

599
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: What's the fan base that has a problem with you

600
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Speaker 2: the most?

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Speaker 5: Whoo oh man, I'm I mean kids, I feel like

602
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: I go in stretches. Last year Pittsburgh hated me, but

603
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: I was right Kansas City, But Kansas City twists my

604
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 5: words more than anybody, like I'll say again, I'm trying

605
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 5: to I'm part of my job is to talk about that.

606
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: I'm not a cheerleader, you know. Part of my job

607
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 5: is to be critical of either performances or potential. And

608
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 5: so if you say something somewhat negative or you know,

609
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 5: foreshadowing a potential hiccup for a team, you hate them. No,

610
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Speaker 5: I don't. I feel like the Eagles have gone up

611
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 5: and down with me and some the Cowboys fans always

612
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 5: hate me. But again, I've always been right about the Cowboys.

613
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: I feel like I've been pretty dead on about the Eagles.

614
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: I've been pretty dead on about the Chiefs. Buffalo fans

615
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 5: for the most part, Lovey Baltimore fans hate me because

616
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 5: they think I stole the MVP from Lamar last year,

617
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 5: which I literally voted for him the year before. So

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00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 5: it's ebbs and flows, man, EV's and flows.

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Speaker 2: That's good. Gotta be careful when you're walking through the airports,

620
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Speaker 2: oh man.

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Speaker 5: No. But the funny thing is, I mean, I would

622
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 5: tell you that nine percent the interaction that I ever

623
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 5: have in public is like overwhelmingly humbling, you know, it's

624
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: very nice. And then social media, I'm like, yo, these

625
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 5: people are out of their mind, man. But it happens

626
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 5: most I get text messages from people. I get text

627
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 5: messages from family or friends saying like, stop bad mouthing us,

628
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 5: and I'll be like, I'm not bad mouthing you. I said,

629
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Speaker 5: your defense has to play better. Like you guys gave

630
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Speaker 5: up thirty what do you so?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Have a good weekend. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Are you an ESPN employee? Do you get invited to

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Speaker 2: the Christmas party?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I didn't know they had a Christmas party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a big one. Now, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You have to go to Bristol, Connecticut Open bar I

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Speaker 2: mean it's a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know, I was talking to Matt

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Speaker 4: Barry and Michael Eves. I've actually never been to the

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Speaker 4: ESPN studio. I want to do that before our relationship started,

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Speaker 4: and I just got busy playing golf every day this summer.

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Speaker 4: But it looks amazing. On television and campus. So but no,

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Speaker 4: I haven't got invited to the Christmas party, but I

649
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: do want to go see I talked to Matt Barry

650
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: and Michael Leaves and my girl al Duncan. At some point,

651
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: I want to get to see that studio on an

652
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: off day. Not that I want to work or anything.

653
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: I just want to go see you.

654
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: Okay, how is your schedule? If you go there, they're

655
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: gonna put you to work.

656
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: Well, that's why I'm gonna go doing the summer. Well,

657
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: I can just it. There's nothing going on except football

658
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: every day. I'm gonna make sure there's no basketball or

659
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 4: anything going on.

660
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you go in that building, you're

661
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: gonna be on ESPN News or two or NFL Live

662
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: or you know.

663
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: I'm bussing up. I'm brushing up in my Spanish so

664
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: I can do this. I gotta get ready for I

665
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: gotta get ready for the Super Bowl.

666
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: You guys haven't missed a step though. Seems like you know,

667
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: gangs all back together and now has your approach to

668
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: the NBA changed at all since you're now on ESPN.

669
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 4: No, it's been great. You know the guys at ESPN.

670
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: Dan I said this, and I wouldn't kissing anybody. Ass

671
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: you know, I ain't gonna kiss nobody, as that's the

672
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: best thing about having mine to listen to anybody. It's

673
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: an honor and privilege to work for ESPN because every

674
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: kid grew up wanting to be on SPN. They did,

675
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: like every kid who's ever touched any type of ball.

676
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: If they're being honest, if you go on ESPN, you

677
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: feel like you've made it. So it's an honor to

678
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: work for him. And we've only did three shows and

679
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: they've been great. They left us alone.

680
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 6: You know. The only thing is that sucked about it is.

681
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: In Game one on NBC, we had a great double

682
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: overtime game, which was awesome. Then the next night we

683
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 4: had Winby go crazy. We had Steff go crazy for us,

684
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 4: and we didn't even get to talk about that because

685
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: of this gambling BS and that was the only downer.

686
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: But other than that, it's been fantastic.

687
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: Now. I know you guys talked a little bit about it.

688
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: But what bothers you the most about this investigation, whether

689
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: it's the poker games or prop bets or you know,

690
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: did anything stand out that would would alarm you? A

691
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: little bit more being a former player now an analyst.

692
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: Well, it all alarms me first and foremost. Number one,

693
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: if you're rigging poker games, especially some of the guys

694
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: are your friends, that's a bad thing. But obviously when

695
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: players are out here points shaving basically what it is.

696
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: You know, you can come up with prop bets or

697
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: gamble that lesson. Man, if you're out here shaving points,

698
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: that's just bad. You know, we've all then, we've all

699
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: been so blessed to make We make more money in

700
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 4: one month than most people are gonna make the entire lifetime.

701
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: And all you got to do is play basketball. You

702
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: we're the luckiest people in the world. I say this

703
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: about sports man. I love sports, but we are so

704
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: lucky and blessed. We get to do something so stupid

705
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 4: and we make more money. Think about Dan, We most

706
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: of us get paid back. Then you get paid twice

707
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: a month, and you make more money during that period

708
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: than most people are gonna make in their lifetime. The

709
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: mone of these guys are making today and to do

710
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: something hopefully, like I said, I'm hoping all these allegations

711
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: are not true. But if you did something that's stupid,

712
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: it's just it's just it's just stupid playing and simple.

713
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: Do you get in these poker games that are held

714
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: outside of a casino.

715
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: I'm not a poker guy. First of all, I would

716
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: never gamble at somebody house. I'm not gonna lie.

717
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm not.

718
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: Gonna Charles froze up there, yeah gear me, yeah, now, yeah,

719
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: you froze up again.

720
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't.

721
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: I don't believe in gambling at people houses. And I

722
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: and I I don't go to casino. I love you know,

723
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 4: you know, I gamble a lot, but I don't play poker. Uh,

724
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: but no, I don't go to people house and gamble.

725
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 4: Dan and nobody's coming to my house to gamble either.

726
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: Talking to Charles Barkley NBA on ESPN, I almost said, TNT, it's.

727
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: Been Weirdie Ernie screwed it.

728
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 6: He said he only did.

729
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 5: It one time.

730
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew that was going to happen, but he

731
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: only did it one time in three shows, So it's

732
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: been pretty good.

733
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: If Austin Reeves was the let's say that Luca and

734
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: Lebron weren't on the Lakers and it was Austin Reeves team.

735
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: Are these numbers sustainable for a player.

736
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 6: Like that, impossible because he could.

737
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: Get froze up again. Yeah, he froze up a couple

738
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: of times there. All right, let me take a break.

739
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: We'll come back with Charles Barklay after this. When I

740
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: last spoke to you, I asked if Austin Reeves could

741
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: he be the number one guy? Could he put up

742
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: these numbers on a team?

743
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 6: No, because they're going to make adjustments.

744
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: He froze up again.

745
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 6: That's crazy, isn't it, Dan?

746
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, you're good now.

747
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, teams are going to start making adjustments.

748
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: His forty gonna come down to twenty five or more,

749
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: you know, because I don't think he's that type of

750
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: guy who's gonna get forty a knight. Like now, he's

751
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: got like a triple yellow caution, like can shoot anytime

752
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: he wants to. But as teams are adjust they're gonna

753
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: make adjustments on him. He's a really good player. But

754
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: also to go out there and get forty to night

755
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: is really hard. I mean, well, because nobody's ever done it.

756
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, nobody's ever averaged forty points in

757
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 4: the NBA other than probably Will Chamberlain back in the day.

758
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 4: But teams are gonna make adjustment to make him pass

759
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: the ball more, which.

760
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 6: He's comfortable with. But he's the health of a player.

761
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: Is there any basketball player's future you would trade for

762
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: Victor wimbin Yama's future.

763
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: Well, the only question about Victory's health, there's never I mean,

764
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: there's never been a question about him playing. It's just

765
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: can he stay healthy? You know these guys who have

766
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: these very unique bodies, I mean, and he probably got

767
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: the most unique body we've ever seen in the NBA

768
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: other than Shaquille. Like Shaquille when me and Kevin McHale

769
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: talk about it, when the first time we saw Shaquille O'Neill,

770
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 4: we couldn't believe how big and athletic he was. He's

771
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: probably and I met Will but I never got to

772
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 4: see him play. But Shaquille had the most unique body

773
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 4: I've ever seen in the NBA because how big and

774
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: strong and fast than he was. But Victor's different because

775
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: you look at minut Bowl, Jeorge Morrison, Mark Eden, guys

776
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: who are like seven three seventy four, they didn't have

777
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 4: this type of athletic ability. They couldn't shoot threes and

778
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 4: dribbling things like that. So He's probably the most unique

779
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: player we've had in the NBA, and we never had

780
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 4: anything like him.

781
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: If Ralph Samson was playing today, Ralph Samson could be

782
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: maybe a Winbin Yama kind of player.

783
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, but Ralph never had the dribbling skills.

784
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't let him. Now they're saying to do

785
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: a big guy you, we want you to handle the ball,

786
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: shoot the threes.

787
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 6: First of all, my note, I forgot the todd Why.

788
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: Don't we see if we get Charles just on the

789
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: phone here because I don't frozen. No, there you are again.

790
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: Let me try it one more time and then if not,

791
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: well I'll just we'll try another another day.

792
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: So if raph Sampson played in the NBA today, would

793
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: he be compared with the Victor only if he was

794
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: able to dribble and shoot threes like Victor does. But

795
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: Victor is the most unique player we've had in the

796
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 4: NBA since your kiel.

797
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: Can you see where Steph Curry would be the second

798
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: option on the Warriors a couple of years from now

799
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: that that would extend his career, but he might not

800
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: be the number one guy.

801
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: Well, they would have to bring in a big time

802
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: free agent. I think right now, they're stuck with the

803
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: team they have. The only question is Victor Kaminga.

804
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: Is that his name, Victor Jonathan Kaminga.

805
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 6: Jonathan Cominga? Excuse me?

806
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: So he's the only he's the wild card because we've

807
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: seen how far that team can go with Draymond and

808
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: Jeremy Butler their first round team. The only question is

809
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 4: can Jonathan Kaminga take the next step? Because in the West,

810
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to be OKC, you're gonna have to

811
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 4: be Houston, You're gonna have to beat the joker. So

812
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: can he grow enough to get them past the second

813
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: round of the playoffs. That's the only question with the

814
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 4: Warriors because Steph is clearly he's on the down side

815
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: of his career. You can't expect him to play like

816
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 4: he did that game last week in June. I mean,

817
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: that's just physically impossible because everybody's fresh right now, Dan,

818
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: everybody's fresh.

819
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 6: But you can't expect a.

820
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 4: Thirty seven year old to go to November, December, January

821
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 4: averaging thirty five points a game. That's just not gonna

822
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 4: happen and get through three or four rounds in the playoffs.

823
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan in his interview with Mike Tariko was talking

824
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: about load management. Back in the day, you guys took

825
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: great pride in playing every single game. Uh, what do

826
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: you how do you think today's player will react to

827
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: what Michael Jordan said about load management?

828
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, we don't care what they think. Dan,

829
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: men and you have discussed loads of manager on this

830
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 4: show for years. It sucks load management. These guys can

831
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: play basketball two days in a row. We played basketball

832
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: two days in row. They got better equipment. They got

833
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 4: they got better equipment, they got better medicals, they got

834
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 4: cold plunges, they got hyperbaric chambers, they got private planes. Now,

835
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: if we can play back to back games and Chuck

836
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: Taylor's and things like that and fly commercial.

837
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 6: I flew commercial my first four years in the NBA.

838
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: We didn't have ice plunge, we had ice ice bags,

839
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: we didn't have hyperbarrack chambers. So if we could do

840
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: that for two million dollars a year, they damn sure

841
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: can do it for forty million dollars a year. And Dan,

842
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: we said it before. It's interesting how it took up

843
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 4: a life of its own because it was Michael Jordan.

844
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 4: You asked me last time I can't remember. I love

845
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: doing your show. First of all, I must love doing

846
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 4: your damn show. You make me get up, and damn

847
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: six o'clock in the morning, I want to kick you

848
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 4: in taz ass. I just want you to know that

849
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: it's six o'clock in the morning. But you asked me

850
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 4: what was a bigger problem in the NBA. All the

851
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 4: threes are load management, and I said to you, quite

852
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: as load management, it said. When Michael says that, it's

853
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 4: like just turning into a wildfire. It's been a problem

854
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: for years. And let me tell you some Dan, it's

855
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: gonna really be a problem going forward because we got

856
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: guys making seventy million dollars a year, God bless them.

857
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 4: That's just on them. But when we start having guys

858
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 4: making eighty ninety one hundred million dollars a year and they, yeah,

859
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: I played last night, I can't play tomorrow. We can't

860
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: just keep crapping on the fans saying that that that's

861
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: just disrespectful. Number one is disrespectful to the game, But

862
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: it's really disrespectful to the fan base. If I saved

863
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: up all my money expensive as tickets are, some of

864
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 4: these star is only gonna come to East Coast, West

865
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: coast one time a year, and you're making ninety million

866
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 4: dollars and you can't play basketball two years, two days

867
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 4: in a row.

868
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 6: That's one hundred wrong.

869
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I said the same thing. My

870
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: reaction to Jordan was, this is obvious. Of course he's

871
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: going to be against load management, and it makes his reputation,

872
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: you know, stand even taller because he didn't take games off.

873
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: He tried to play in every single game, so there

874
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: wasn't any news in this. And you're right if Mike

875
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: says it, all of a sudden, load management's a topic again.

876
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 2: And I'm like, these guys today don't care. They don't

877
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: care what Michael Jordan says about all. I'm gonna play

878
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 2: every game now because Mike said so well.

879
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 4: And the thing that bothers me, I wish they would

880
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 4: tell the truth instead of just saying you hear people

881
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: saying well, it's not healthy or things like that. Just

882
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: say I want it and listen, this is a fair thing.

883
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: On their point, if I'm able to play basketball two

884
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: or three more years, I'm probably gonna make an extra

885
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: fifty to one hundred million dollars.

886
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 6: I mean, depending on who you are.

887
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 4: Even if you like I say, if you're a star

888
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 4: who like, if you play an extra three years, you're

889
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 4: gonna make a minimum of probably one hundred million dollars. Dan,

890
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 4: if you can add three years at the end of

891
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: your career, you're probably gonna be making thirty to fifty

892
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 4: sixty million dollars. And I understand that, But just say, Hey,

893
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 4: I'm trying to extend my career. Don't just tell don't

894
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: try to tell me it's not healthy. I've seen reports

895
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 4: out there saying it's not healthy to player, dude, But

896
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 4: for guys that played basketball back to back their entire life.

897
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, and I understand this because if

898
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: you said to Larry Bird, hey, why don't you do

899
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: load management? You might be able to extend your career

900
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: three more years. Or I said that to Steve Nash,

901
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: you know, would they do load management if they knew

902
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: I got a chance to play a few more years here?

903
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 6: And I understand that argument.

904
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: But what Michael said, Man, these people are only gonna

905
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: get to see the great ones every now and then.

906
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: Like Michael Jordan, Carl Malone was only gonna come to

907
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 4: Philly one time a year, he's only going to go

908
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 4: to New York one time a year. Maggie Johnes has

909
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 4: only coming to Philly one time a year.

910
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 6: That's not fair.

911
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: Like, Yo, you got to play in New York, you

912
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 4: gotta Can you imagine in the day if Magic Johnson

913
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: had a said, Hey, we played, I'm gonna pick some

914
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: crap and okay, I shouldn't say that.

915
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 6: I know I'm gonna get in trouble.

916
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if Magic Johnson said we played, I

917
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: played in Brooklyn last night.

918
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna play against the Celtics the next day.

919
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 6: Can you can.

920
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 4: You just think about how stupid that sounds. I played

921
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 4: in Indiana and I apologize to Brooklyn. Now we played

922
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 4: at the Pacers last night. I'm not gonna play against

923
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 4: the Celtics tonight.

924
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 6: Can you can? Can you imagine? Yeah?

925
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if Larry Bird said, Hey, we played

926
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: the Clippers last night. I'm gonna sit out this Lakers

927
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: game tomorrow. Can you imagine how that's stupid that sounds?

928
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: Uh, you won the MVP in nineteen ninety three. Yes,

929
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: if I said you could trade in the MVP but

930
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: the Suns win the championship.

931
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would rather win the championship. But you know,

932
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 4: nobody can take away what I accomplished that year.

933
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: You know the reason why I bring it up. Cam

934
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: Newton said that he would rather win the NFL MVP,

935
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't trade his MVP for a Super Bowl win.

936
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: Well, well, we all have our thing, Like I wanted

937
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: to win a championship for the people of Phoenix. That

938
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: I've said, that's my only regret not winning the championship

939
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: in Phoenix, because you know, this is where I live.

940
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: These people have always treated me amazing, Like Philip, that's

941
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: no disrespect to Philly, but they've already won a championship.

942
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 4: That's my only regret in my career is not winning

943
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: a championship for the Phoenix SUNNS fans. But yo, man,

944
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 4: that year I was the best basketball player in the world.

945
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 4: We had the best record in the world. I like

946
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 4: these That's the one thing that annoys me about ESP

947
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna lie there. They have this stupid

948
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 4: argument every year about the MVP that Michael should have

949
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: won more, or or Lebron should have won more. It's

950
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: not who's the best player, it's the person who had

951
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: the best year. It's like because let me use an analogy.

952
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: You're trying to tell me. When Magic and Bird were

953
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 4: going back and forth on MVPs, one of them was

954
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 4: better than the other. Note is whoever had the best

955
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 4: regular season. But now guys like to start like Lebron

956
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: should have won, Like David Rose was the best player

957
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 4: in the world.

958
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 6: That year he won MVP, the.

959
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 4: Chicago Bulls had the best record in the Eastern Conference.

960
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: Uh the years Karl Malone won the MVP, the Utah

961
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 4: Jazz had the best record in the NBA. Like Jack

962
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: Chack always gets annoy that Steve Nash, well, Steve Nash

963
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 4: as good as Shaul Quill. No, but the Phoenix Suns

964
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 4: had the best record in the NBA both years he

965
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: won MVP. I don't think Steve Nash would Steve when

966
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: nas to tell you, No, I was not better than

967
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant, but those two years I had a better

968
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: regular season.

969
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 6: It's a regular season award.

970
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 2: Did you think you were better than Jordan? Not having

971
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: just a better year than Jordan in ninety three, but

972
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: you were better than Jordan.

973
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: I did not realize that I was not as good

974
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: as Michael Jordan, so I played him in the Finals,

975
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: because when I got traded to Phoenix, I told the guys,

976
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 4: we're going to the finals and we're gonna play the Bulls.

977
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: That's the first thing I told them when I got

978
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: traded the Phoenix, and I said, the only reason Michael

979
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: Jordan I felt like it was just as good, I said,

980
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 4: the only reason he's better. He got Scotti, Pippen, Dennis,

981
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 4: Robin Harrs, Grant, guys like that, Packson, BJ had a

982
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 4: hell of a team, I said, But now I got

983
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: Kevin Johnson, Dan Marley said to borows Mark West. And

984
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: it wasn't until after Game two that I realized that

985
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 4: he was better than me because I had fifty he

986
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 4: had fifty five. I told the guys, we're gonna win tonight.

987
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: We're gonna win the game tonight, and I did. I had.

988
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: I think I had forty seven, to be exact, but

989
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 4: he had like fifty two. That was the first time

990
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 4: because like even when I played against Magic and Barry,

991
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm just as good as these guys. But

992
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 4: they got James Worthy and Kareem and Barry McHale in

993
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: Paris and Dennis Johnson. But I don't think any great

994
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 4: player I think Carl Malone thinks he's the greatest. I

995
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: think Patrick Ewing, I think all you can't be a

996
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: great player unless you think you betting everybody else, because

997
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: you have to have supreme confidence. But like then, there's

998
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 4: a lot of guys who are delusional. They're just good,

999
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: just alright, good player. They think they're beat and they are.

1000
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 4: But there's no great player. There's no Hall of Fame

1001
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: type player who don't think he's the best player out

1002
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: there every night.

1003
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: Lebron's not out there. You said that he's got an

1004
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: old guy injury.

1005
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 4: He's just old. Everybody gets old. Yeah, he says a

1006
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: side attica. You know what that means. Yeah, I know.

1007
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 6: It's back hurt. All old people back hurt. Then all

1008
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 6: old people back hurt.

1009
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 4: You can you can dress it up like a sciatica.

1010
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: You can come up with all these medical terms. Lebrun

1011
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: is old.

1012
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: Ah, your froze up again. Thank you, Charles. We'll talk

1013
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: to you soon, all right, man, have a great one, okay.