WEBVTT - DCU Deep Dive: Bat vs Bat, Supergirl, Paramount Skydance Takeover 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.680 Worrying. This episode contains no spoilers. Really, there's no spoilers 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:03.880 in this. 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:21.599 Hello. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.759 My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight and 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:26.880 welcome back to Extra edition. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:28.280 In the podcast Where We Dive Deep, it's your. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.320 Favorite shows, movies, comics of pop, Closer Company, Your My 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.120 Heart or you Three of Us is week. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.040 Listeners. In today's episode, we're gonna zoom out like we're 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.120 Superman flying above Earth, looking down, taking stock of James 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.400 Gunn's DCU so far and what we can look ahead 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.519 to as Matt Reeves Batman Universe, how does that factor 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.559 into all of it? Are we gonna see the Andy 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.160 Mauschetti Batman ever? Like where do we stand? We're gonna 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.840 be talking about it, So we'll be talking about that 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.640 Tale of two Batman, super Girl? Where do you stand? 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.880 Are you read? Are you excited? Is it enough to 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.600 keep it going? Then we'll look at some upcoming projects 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.920 like Lanton's Clay Face Man of Tomorrow and just give 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.240 you on laya the land of where we think DC's 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:14.040 headed halfway into twenty twenty six bomb. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.679 Yes, since the DC Deep Dive, there's things to be 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.440 excited about. There's things to be worried about. Let's start 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.720 something that we are unabashedly excited about that I think 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.479 is a stategic hedge on the part of DC should correct. 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:34.759 Should the gun Averse falter, we have a parallel path 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.320 that perhaps that we can we can build upon, and 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:44.360 that is Matt Reeves and the Batman Part two, his 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:53.600 parallel universe Batman not involved in the gun Averse versions 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.560 of the characters, or so we think, right it certainly 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.640 seems that way right now. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:03.320 It's connected kind of an elseworld situation to the main 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.800 gun of us. But there has been rumors that that 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:07.680 could change, I think. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.399 Especial I'm sure they've been talking about. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.799 It exactly so, probably having that conversation as we speak. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.919 So the Baman Part two h slated for in October first, 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.239 twenty twenty seven release, which feels like it's that's maybe 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.840 you know, it's not that far away eating along. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.880 This is the thing that I think has changed since 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.520 the last time we talked about this. Most where we 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.480 expected James Gunn's universe to be and the motion we 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.760 expected it to have by this point that many people 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.839 worried would leave the Batman two in the dust has 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.680 not necessarily materialized in the way we expected. Instead, the 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.919 Batman Part two, you know, Matt Reeves was releasing one image, 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.239 one gift, and it was kind of running all over 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.400 the gun of us like a batmobile, like it took 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.720 over the Internet. And I think that switch in motion 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.600 is one of the things why we like. Okay, I 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.440 think we got to talk about where we're at. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.280 So let's let's talk about the casting first, because there's 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.240 a lot of exciting news there. I will note that 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.920 that the casting has not officially been confirmed by DC, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.960 but it's very interesting, which is very interesting. I'm not 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.400 sure what the strategy is there. But here's who we 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.560 have thus far. Of course, Robert Pattinson returning as the 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.560 young and Emo Bruce Wayne. We have Jeffrey Wright returning 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.600 as Jim Gordon, Andy serkuses Alfred the kind of buff Zaddie, 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.440 Alfred Pennyworth. Colin Farrell, of course is very important in 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.600 this universe as Oskob the Penguin, Jamie Lawson as Mayor Bella, 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.760 Real gilpras Abraham's Offers and Martinez. And here are your 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.680 new editions. We have Sebastian stan as Harvey Dent. 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.760 Love it. Yeah, still allegedly not officially confirmed, but we 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.720 it kind of seems officially confirmed, but. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.840 He's talking about it at Cannes. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.240 Yeah, he's talking about it, so it's like it's confirmed. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.640 He said it can that. He plays quote many roles 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.720 in this one, so obviously that seems like a Harvey 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.320 Dent little two faced above situation right, also double dipping 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:21.000 in the MC universe. Scarlett Johansson as rumored rumored to 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.720 be Gilded Dent crazy. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.240 But also makes sense if you know who she is 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.799 and what Matt has adapted before we can get into that. Marris, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.320 we talk about it. Brian Yvee Henry no rumors and 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:39.080 that night to know who's that is? 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.000 We will I. I don't know. We have Charles Dance 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.320 The Great Dance, Oh, that would be awesome, Taiwan Lanister 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.080 himself as Christopher Dent, the father Christopher Dent and which 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.320 I love that casting, and then Sebastian Koke. We have 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:02.480 also no rumors about this. So the setting certainly seems 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.680 like it takes place in winter based on Reeves's kind 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.720 of first look material that he released on. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.840 This it's seen some snowy Gotham. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:16.600 Yes, This has kind of sparked some mister Freeze speculations. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.719 A little bit of mister I would love to see 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.200 Brian Tyree Henry as mister Freeze. I think that would incredible. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.160 I also think Sebastian Coach could be mister Freeze. I 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.200 also think it could not be mister Freeze. When I 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.479 interviewed Matt Reeves years ago before The Batman came out 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.840 about an Amazon TV show he adapted from a photo book, 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.400 which was actually really interesting. We just kind of were vibing, 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.400 started talking about Batman, and he gave me a bunch 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.200 of scoops, and one of the things he shared was 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.880 his favorite Batman movie is Batman Returns, which I think 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.359 actually comes through a lot in the first Batman. But 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.640 I think here that kind of potential of it being 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.599 a Christmas movie, the wintery iciness of it all, that 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.520 a modernized version of that really does feel like it 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.120 would be adapting Heart of Ice or something like that. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:03.279 So I'm excited. Interesting also in the comics, So put 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.000 your ears spoiler ears on now, guys, if you do 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.320 not want to be spoiled for what could potentially happen 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.680 in the comics. Gilda Dent is Harvey Dent's wife, so 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.479 very interesting to do a little MCU pairing there. But 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:21.480 she's also a serial killer, and depending on the canon, 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.719 she is the serial killer that we know that Falcone was, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.200 Sophia was maybe potentially blamed for being. So there is 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.400 some really interesting connections to the Penguin and. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.040 That's where they're going. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:36.880 I think that's where they're going to. And it makes 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.839 me so excited, because guys, the Penguin is so good. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.039 You might forget it, but it's so good and it's 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.040 so scary and it's so sad, and the Batman is 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.720 so good too, and I know people are having this 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.080 kind of revisionist feeling that it's not that good now, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.200 and if that's how you feel, I totally respect it. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.880 But I think this is such a dark, interesting space 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.440 in the DC universe. It reminds me of Batman, the 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.800 animated series. And if they're really going to continue the 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.840 Holiday killer stuff, the long Halloween stuff with this two 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.839 female serial killer potential, I just think that's so interesting. 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:10.480 I'm just I want to know more. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:16.160 So principal photography is go underway in Glasgow, with some 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.840 second unit stuff going on in Liverpool. It does, so 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:24.840 Reeves used a really interesting gift of Scarlett Johansson gilded 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.040 dent in that storyline that there's some Long Halloween mm 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.880 hmmm kind of reflections as well. I wonder, I do 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.000 wonder which way they're gonna go. But that does make 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.800 a lot of sense that you would use Gilda as 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.119 the serial killer go pull from Long Halloween. Now here's 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:50.040 the question. The end of the first Batman, we saw 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.560 Barry Kiyogan as the Joker. We have no information about him, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.200 which leads me to believe that either he is a 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.280 big part of the movie or not in the movie. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:00.440 There's tween. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.160 I I agree completely one hundred. I do think his 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.840 star was more on the rise. It was pre fumbling 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.679 Sabrina Koppana, which to kind of change his cultural cachet 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:10.480 with young people. 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.120 But I think I think there's I will let me 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.080 say one thing about that. I get, Yes, he fumbled 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.920 Sabrina Carpenter, and he should and and that's star culture, 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.200 and that's pop culture, and that's absolutely fine. Be making 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.720 fun of myself for fumbling Sabrina. It's fantastic. And it's 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.920 of course like the juice, the juiciness of the fact 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:33.880 that she's written songs about like that. 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.920 Too, and how it was when they went together and stuff. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.120 You can't help me make it's front of. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.200 The guy because you think he's ugly. I just think 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.840 it's no. I think that's fucked up. We've gone to 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.400 it's it's gone too far. And when he said when 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.240 he said, like I forget where on the red carpet 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.240 somewhere or some interview where it's like he actually had 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.920 to go offline and he feels like he can't go 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.240 outside because people are just like taking pictures of him 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.200 in order to post how ugly he is. I think 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.160 that's just crazy. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:05.400 No, that shit's great. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.960 That's how you crash somebody's psyche to the point that 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.800 they end up like on meds like don't do that. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.520 Actually, glad that you brought that up, because totally agree 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.240 and also very fucked up because the same people will 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.440 be online talking about everyone looks the same as them 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.640 pick blah blah blah blah blah. But they're also like 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.520 not embracing somebody who's actually a great character actor who 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.520 looks a certain way because they don't like the way 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.559 he looks or they don't think he's conventionally attractive. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.320 That shit's corny. It's it's corny. It's very bad. I 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.240 will also add one more thing that all those photos 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.240 like he is Ringo star in the upcoming videos movie, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.840 and so all the videos and photos are him with 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.040 like I don't love the haircut either, and it does 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.480 not maybe doesn't frame his face in the most like 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:54.839 a flattering way, but like he's playing star, he's playing 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.679 a beetle, and it used it. I just found it, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.959 like I just found it over the social media's turn. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.720 But I felt really at that point, I'm like, guys 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:03.080 lit up. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.640 But also as well, if you want to criticize somebody 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.760 because they treated somebody else badly, the best way to 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.960 do it is not by treating them badly, you know 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.880 what I mean, Like, come on, guys, and especially not 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.800 on a global platform. But I will say all of 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.199 that to say leading into my point, which I actually 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.280 think is you're right. He's either not in it because 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.040 he said I don't want to high profile thing like 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:28.160 that I'm pulling out, or or he absolutely is the 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.079 main villain and we're gonna get this really scary kind 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.640 of comeback performance for him from him that's gonna make 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.520 everyone go, oh shit. That's why we were excited because also, 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.880 if you're smart and you're Matt Reeves, you were able 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.840 to do something really terrifying with the Riddler, really different, 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.280 and you were able to kind of lay that out 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.480 and not act like there were many surprises, and it 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.960 was more about the characters. If they do the same 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.080 where they're like, look at this Sebastian Stan kind of 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:58.320 Noari take Gilda Dad, but in the background is this 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.360 kind of monstrous joke. I think that is could be 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.160 a really cool take and again, something we haven't seen 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.320 for a while, something the Gun of Us has not 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.920 done yet, so it would be a pretty big deal. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.480 Well, speaking of the Gun of Verse, let's now transition 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.120 to a property. So we're very excited obviously about The 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.559 Batman per two. We are I think it to carry 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.959 you know, to speak for extra Vision as a whole. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:30.959 I think we are hopefully excited about The Brave and 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.480 the Bold, slated for release in late twenty twenty eight, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.200 directed by Any Musquetti, script by Christina Hodson, who did 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:40.720 The Flash and bubble Bee. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.640 Well, I want to say, let's not I don't want 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.120 to blame her for The Flash because I had like 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.800 fifty right as by the end, the Flash. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.920 Was a very very particular. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.400 Yes wit that I want to read the book on 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.800 the Flash when we get the book about what that 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.240 was about, the push, the media swing. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.960 The star of the film was like an active fugure. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.360 It was Tom Cruise is like being shown the movie 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.600 in his house. It was crazy, like I need to 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.640 see the Argo style movie about that rollout, Like what 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.080 the fuck? But Christina Hodson did write Bumblebee fucking incredible 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:16.679 for that. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.320 A wonderful Transformers movie. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.480 Uh. She wrote Harlequin and the Birds of Prey, which 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.040 we know is also a fantastic movie, really enjoyable, great writing. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.440 So I think there's a lot to be excited about here, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.679 especially because it kind of seemed like from what they 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.439 were saying, James Gunn was saying, this would be introduced, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.880 this would be based on Grant Morrison's stuff, and it 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.000 would be very much about Damian Wayne and Batman's relationship 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.760 with him, which seemed very exciting right when it was 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:47.559 announced two or three years ago. Does it feel realistic 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.840 now that that movie will come out? 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.680 Question Mark, Here's what I have to say. So Gunn 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:58.480 has stated that there'll be no casting and certainly no 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.680 casting news until there's an actionable script. So there's probably 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:08.600 no actionable script here is what I think. I think 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.120 that this is where I believe the gun of her 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.680 side of DC is hoping that they can co opt 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.600 the Batman, and Matt Reeves is the Batman in some way. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.000 I think the late twenty twenty eight right allows this 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.400 kind of leap frog thing. It has been reported that 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.880 the script is complete. Obviously, the Damian Wayne part of 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.640 it is in flux. There's a lot of casting here 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.400 to do. But I do think that the hope is 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:42.640 to link the Reeves elseworld verse and the standard DC 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.800 universe worlds with this Brave in the Bold in particular, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.920 because you know the Brave in the Bold it's not 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.080 a it's like it's a it's a team up. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.360 It's that so you're on this side. As soon as 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.840 it's talking about this, I. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.760 Was like, yes, Like it. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.880 Can mean a lot to make a break from the 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.840 Bold movie. You can have different universes. You can have 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.880 music Master as a villain, right, you can have you know, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.040 it can be weird and silly, and also I think 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.520 what's very interesting about this choice is. I saw Robert 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.720 Pattinson at the Batman screening at on the Warner Brothers 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.280 lot just before the movie came out, like a press screening. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.240 He was doing a Q and A. Somebody asked him 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.200 what his dream would be, and he said it would 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.160 be to do Batman and Robin. And obviously, this is 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.320 Robert Pattinson, so he says a lot of silly things, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.720 and he said, but I'd only do it if it 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.000 was a kid. He's like, I want to do Batman, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.840 but the kid is twelve, and I think I love it. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.560 I love it, fucking love it. And he's right. And 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.440 at the scuse he's beginning, people kind of laughed, but 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.800 he actually expounded on it and was like, how do 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.440 you take care of a kid? Who's the kind of 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.440 person who would put a kid in this situation? So 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.280 interesting and so when and obviously you cast older and 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.000 the kid is, you know, seventeen eighteen, but they're playing 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.760 thirteen or whatever, but they've never done it. Chris O'Donnell 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.960 is like, thirty Batman and. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.720 Six I think is the closest attempt. But then again, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.560 you know, we were casting older and pretending to be younger, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.960 but I think really casting it kid would be very much. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.160 As soon as James Gunn said, oh, we want to 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.800 do Batman and Robin like the Morrison version, I sort 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.240 of went, well, that's really what Robert pitched. So I 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.080 always thought it was interesting. I don't know if they're 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.040 going to go as crazy as to actually have Rob 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.680 be the Batman, but I will say once you get 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.160 into the later part of that arc, there is some 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.720 really and we've talked about this right there is a 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.800 version where the Brave and the Bold is Dick Grayson 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:45.240 as Batman and Damian Wayne as Robin, and the reason 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.440 that they have to do it is because Robert Pattinson's 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.280 Batman is not there or has disappeared or blah blah blah. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.120 You know. So there is a version where you can 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.080 do a comics accurate version where Dick essentially is Batman 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.080 and it's about his relationship with Damien while still having 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.520 a Bruce Wayne in Robert Pattinson, but without ever having 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:05.920 to have him be Batman. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.080 I believe, and I think we both believe that the 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:15.200 hope of the Gunner verse is to get Pattinson's being 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.520 a Batman in this world. Here's why I think that. Obviously, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.880 there's there's no casting on the Batman for the Brave 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.800 and the Bold yet, right, And there's been a lot 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.760 of names that have been thrown around Jensen Acles which 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.640 I think would be interesting but probably won't have. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.080 And he's done voice acting. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.280 He's done voice acting before, right, Obviously this is a 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:40.560 huge casting call. Now, Superman came out July eleventh, twenty 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.960 twenty five, we knew that it was corn Sweat, and 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.240 oh my god, we knew two years or earlier June 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:54.000 twenty conversations, and we knew in LA we were actually 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.400 hearing about that for like six months before we knew 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.760 who the Yes, I knew who the three were, right, 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.000 we knew who the top three were. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:00.360 Right. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.320 The fact that there is nothing and this is slated 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.240 for twenty twenty eight release. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.560 When twenty that's what I'm saying. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.040 I think they're hoping it's Pattinson because there would be 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.359 something by now, there'd be something. That's my That's what 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:15.640 I ask. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.359 I agree. I think that there is sixty percent of 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.800 whatever side at Warner Brothers is going for that and 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.000 is doing every negotiation, and I think Matt and Rob 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.520 are probably pushing back or wanting some kind of creat 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.080 grief say so over it, like they would want to 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:32.400 have at. 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.880 Least epa exactly. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:39.000 Yes, absolutely, and also like Matt Reeves having some kind 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:44.600 of like you know, Kevin Feige esque like roll on 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.160 the back, almost as if how the comics are where 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.320 there's about there's a Metropolis office, there's a Gotham office, 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.400 you know, sort of like that. I think that would 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.320 be a really interesting approach. I also think that there's 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.960 probably forty percent or a little team at least who 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.480 job is to be fucking looking at every single self 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.400 tape in the world trying to find a Batman who 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.160 says interesting and weird and talkative casting, because the problem 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.240 with casting a different Batman to Robert Pattinson is that 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.600 his casting that shouldn't have worked. It had the Michael Keaton, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.160 oh no, don't do this, but it also had its 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.520 immediate cult following. Like, guys, let me tell you about 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.240 the day that they announced Robert Pattinson got cast as Batman. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.760 If you were in this space, and this was back 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.880 when we were getting paid to write a lot of articles. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.760 They're paying me articles to write about like why they 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.080 didn't show the top of the ears on the mask, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.399 and I'm writing an article about how it could because 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:39.440 they're six inches long. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.800 Because that's like the crazy Gothic version. You know. People 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:47.280 were so excited and talking and angry and everything you 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.359 want from a casting, and then Rob delivered on it. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.080 And not only just that, but the movie made eight 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.720 hundred million dollars. So they need something that can do that, right, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.960 That's the thing, and I think Rosie was. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:05.800 If you are in Warner Brothers marketing, mm hmm, I'm sorry, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.359 but it's a disaster to have two different actors playing 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.840 Batman and you're trying to sell that. You're trying to 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:16.240 tell audiences why that. Okay, well one is in elsewhere. 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.160 Obviously people like us and people who listen to Extra 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:25.119 Vision get it, but the why your audience will be confused. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.119 And so I have to imagine that there's a significant push, 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.120 just institutionally, non creatively, to be like, why would we 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.520 we have Robert Pattinson? Why would we do this? So 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.600 the question is at good point, it happens or it 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:41.280 doesn't happen. 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.159 This is a really great thing that I think is 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.560 going to lead into our next topic. Well, well yes, before, 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.040 but like, but the one thing is as well, Rob 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.040 is kind of like a loose cannon on a press 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.280 tour and they know that and they like it, but 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.720 he will be saying crazy stuff, right, So imagine if 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:02.200 you're like young, sweet upcoming actor who gets picked as 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.040 the Batman at Warner Brothers and one day Robert Pattinson's 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.840 talking about like, oh, Batman's a top, Batman's like a 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.440 selfish cop or something. And the next day this poor kid, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.480 they're like, do you think Batman's a top or a bottom? 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:16.840 Like them is asking them, and this kid is just like, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.399 what is going on? That is what could happen? So 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.960 I think just like, you've either got to have someone 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.879 who can compete like cars Zendeya as Batman. That's the 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.119 one person I've ever seen Rob go toe to Toto 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.440 on a press tour. Otherwise it's gonna be a problem. 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:37.160 Let's take a break and return to talk about film 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.200 property that we are a little worried about. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:41.840 Probably know what it is. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:56.040 If you listening to the show, Yeah, and we're at okay. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.920 Supergirl coming out June twenty sixth, twenty twenty six mm hmmm, 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:05.680 directed by Craig Gillespie, Screenwrider, and an Aguera. Are we worried? 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.600 Here are some numbers. Here is some context. First of all, 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:14.399 tracking early obviously early tracking right now, but box office 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.639 theory projects a domestico but of between forty seven and 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.399 sixty five. Yeah, which is the Marvels and Black Adam. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.920 That's the low and the high. That's bad. The budget. 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.160 We don't know the budget of this movie us. That's 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:30.119 another red flag. 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:30.680 Bad. 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.000 That's a big red flag. But Puck estimates that it's 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:35.960 about one seventy, which is honest. 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:36.439 Okay. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.479 If I was one of brothers, I'd be boasting about that. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:40.800 I would be boasting about that. 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:42.679