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Speaker 1: Apt Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Nicky Spagnola.
Speaker 3: And our pregame coverage of the Jerry Jones pre Draft
Speaker 3: press conference continues here inside the SWBC podcast studio as
Speaker 3: we count down the days to the start of the
Speaker 3: NFL Draft on Thursday, now three days away. Bill Jones
Speaker 3: with Mickey Spagnola. Everson Walls decided that he's gonna let
Speaker 3: us handle the draft talk and he'll be back to
Speaker 3: recap the draft next Monday at eleven am.
Speaker 4: But here we are.
Speaker 2: It's finals draft day finally, right, been talking about this.
Speaker 2: It seems like for three months, that's right.
Speaker 3: And I've gotten my big green notebook. It's in the
Speaker 3: last month where I've been filling this thing up. Look
Speaker 3: at their you know what way I look at it.
Speaker 3: Every year, it's like I'm back in college. I spend
Speaker 3: the spring semester filling up in the back in the day.
Speaker 3: I guess they use Google doc or whatever they use
Speaker 3: now on their laptops, these young college kids today.
Speaker 4: But I decide, okay, I'm going old school.
Speaker 3: About twelve fourteen years ago, I decided to go old school.
Speaker 4: With my draft preps, with the big green notebook.
Speaker 2: So I think what we should do today is turn
Speaker 2: the tables. I'll ask the questions you answered.
Speaker 4: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I mean, I woke up this morning thinking I could
Speaker 3: talk for days about this draft. Now, Ivey, there are
Speaker 3: all these prospects that I'm discovering. I mean, there's so
Speaker 3: much talk about the top of the draft, and you know,
Speaker 3: mainstream media and elsewhere where what's going to happen at
Speaker 3: the top of the draft. Once you really dig into it,
Speaker 3: it is really interesting to see the intriguing prospects that
Speaker 3: are later in the draft. Right it's where the Cowboys
Speaker 3: pick at twenty six or in the second, third, fourth,
Speaker 3: even fifth round. I mean, is it's That's why I
Speaker 3: love this is why I every spring dig into it
Speaker 3: to learn all these players that are coming into the
Speaker 3: league and trying to figure out, like all these teams
Speaker 3: are trying to figure out which guys are gonna make it,
Speaker 3: because it's not all about their forty times or even
Speaker 3: their college production. Is not all about that either. There's
Speaker 3: so much more that goes into it, and so I
Speaker 3: just love digging into it.
Speaker 2: Did you discover any draft eligible players actually still playing
Speaker 2: in the XFL?
Speaker 3: There is at least one that I yeah, there may
Speaker 3: be more. I haven't I haven't moved to the XFL yet,
Speaker 3: but I did see something about there's one who is
Speaker 3: draft eligible who's trying to increase his stock, right, I think,
Speaker 3: And there's maybe more than one. I don't know, right,
Speaker 3: but I haven't got to that point yet.
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I learned a very interesting little
Speaker 2: fact about the XFL.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 2: So you know they're all based here, that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they play in their respective cities. Respective cities, both
Speaker 2: teams ride the same charter flight.
Speaker 4: That's understandable.
Speaker 2: The home team gets to sit in the front of
Speaker 2: the plane, the visitors sit in the back, and after
Speaker 2: the game, both teams are on the same playing going home.
Speaker 3: Okay, and I'm not sure I haven't worked to confirm
Speaker 3: this or not, but yesterday we had a matchup of
Speaker 3: the Arlington Renegadees of coached by Bob Stoops against Wade
Speaker 3: Phillips Houston Roughnecks as it turned out it was a
Speaker 3: meaningless game because Wade has won another division championship as
Speaker 3: the head coach of the Roughnecks and he his team
Speaker 3: will play Stoops team, the Renegade in the first round
Speaker 3: of the playoffs on Saturday night. But when they met
Speaker 3: earlier this season, the announcer said something. Actually in their
Speaker 3: postgame handshake, Stoops and Philip said to each other, see
Speaker 3: you back at the house. Yeah, have they been living now?
Speaker 3: I don't know roommates live out the spring, but they
Speaker 3: might have a complex where they put all these guys, right,
Speaker 3: I would imagine, so, yeah, and maybe the coach I thought,
Speaker 3: I thought I heard see that they were like roommates.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I wonder if they sit at
Speaker 3: the front of the plane together, you know. Uh, Which,
Speaker 3: it's got to be a weird atmosphere after you play
Speaker 3: somebody and then it's like, okay, let's go board. And
Speaker 3: by the way, I understand that hey is in the
Speaker 3: barn for any football game by the day before the
Speaker 3: game or the two days before the game.
Speaker 4: But Stoops was.
Speaker 3: In Norman, Oklahoma on Friday and Saturday for their.
Speaker 4: Spring game and stuff.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, so that was just an aside, But I
Speaker 3: thought that was it sting and there's a Cowboys connection
Speaker 3: because Wade Phillips can put that.
Speaker 4: On his resume as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Now he's a couple of wins away from winning
Speaker 3: a championship in the XFL.
Speaker 2: Okay, So who are the Cowboys drafting? How many times
Speaker 2: have you been asked that question?
Speaker 3: Several times? And who knows who the Cowboys are drafting?
Speaker 2: So good?
Speaker 3: You know it is a and the reason is and
Speaker 3: in fact, I heard Charlie White's talking about it on
Speaker 3: my drive in on NFL Radio that he cannot remember
Speaker 3: a draft where it was so uncertain in the first
Speaker 3: round what teams are going to.
Speaker 2: Do compared to this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one.
Speaker 3: This is the most uncertain draft he has ever heard
Speaker 3: of or seen in the first round, because I mean,
Speaker 3: you think about it. At the top of the first round,
Speaker 3: it now appears that the Alabama quarterback Bryce Young is
Speaker 3: going to Carolina. There's been so much talk about CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud is stock dropping and so forth, and is Houston
Speaker 3: now out on tape in a quarterback? And will they
Speaker 3: take Will Richardson from Alabama or will they Now the
Speaker 3: talk is Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech or do they
Speaker 3: trade out? And so we don't Houston controls the draft
Speaker 3: right now, if you're gonna believe that Bryce Young is
Speaker 3: going to Carolina and so it all and then it
Speaker 3: just trickles down depending on what Houston does. Then we
Speaker 3: don't know what Arizona's gonna do on down the Indianapolis
Speaker 3: at four? Are they going to take a quarter what's Seattle?
Speaker 3: They may take a cause if Stroud falls whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: and so you really don't know from there. And then
Speaker 3: as he gets related to the Cowboys, what's gonna happen
Speaker 3: with b John Robinson?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And if some of these guys trickle down, I mean
Speaker 3: there's been talk about Philadelphia might even be interested in
Speaker 3: Bjehon Robinson at number ten. But what if those deep
Speaker 3: one of those defensive players moves down to number ten
Speaker 3: and they want to take somebody, you know, like the
Speaker 3: Georgia like Carter, the Georgia defensive tackle, who may be
Speaker 3: the best player in the entire draft.
Speaker 2: So do you think from a talent standpoint, stand out
Speaker 2: great players coming out in this draft that there's fewer
Speaker 2: than we're used to seeing of the After you get
Speaker 2: past the quarterbacks, I mean, who's the greatest defense.
Speaker 3: I mean, and even with the quarterbacks, there's nothing in
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks. It says that who knows what's going to
Speaker 3: how Bryce Young is going to do at this size
Speaker 3: in this league. I yeah, I think it's it's it's
Speaker 3: a handful of guys that, like you think back to
Speaker 3: the Tyron Smith draft where Tyron went tenth and.
Speaker 4: JJ Watt was.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking we're ten to eleven picks in
Speaker 3: the draft and you've got Hall of famers being drafted, right,
Speaker 3: And I don't know that this draft has that. I mean,
Speaker 3: we'll see, but I mean there are certain drafts where
Speaker 3: you could you know, there were you know, eight to
Speaker 3: ten players that Okay, these are your top ten picks
Speaker 3: in this draft, and who knows. I mean there could
Speaker 3: be a guy who's who some think is going fifth,
Speaker 3: who may wind up going fifteenth or eighteenth, and it
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with any off the field stuff.
Speaker 3: It's just how they've been evaluated.
Speaker 2: By So thus the uncertainty exactly.
Speaker 3: That's right wide receiver, I mean it's at the top.
Speaker 3: I think there are some good wide receivers from late
Speaker 3: first through the fourth round, fifth round, even I like
Speaker 3: a lot of the wide receivers in that third and
Speaker 3: fourth round range, but there's not the Calvin Johnson types.
Speaker 3: There's not you know, who knows if Jackson Smith and
Speaker 3: Jigba is going to wind up being like a CD
Speaker 3: Lamb in his career.
Speaker 4: You know, he may be the.
Speaker 3: Top guy, but some have Jordan Addison from USC being
Speaker 3: the top guy. There's the TCU big wide receiver, Quinton Johnson's.
Speaker 3: There's not very many big wide receivers in this draft either,
Speaker 3: and so if you want to get one of those
Speaker 3: who like a Quentin Johnston, then maybe you have to
Speaker 3: take him in the first round because there's nothing late so.
Speaker 2: From a size standpoint, because I saw one analysis going
Speaker 2: on and it said that if you're torn between cornerbacks
Speaker 2: and wide receivers, you better take the cornerback in the
Speaker 2: first round because there's more wide receivers, second third, more
Speaker 2: quality depth.
Speaker 3: There's good there's quality, I think quality cornerbacks in the
Speaker 3: early rounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that that that were saying, you know,
Speaker 2: if you like that cornerback, you better grab them.
Speaker 3: And it's and it's the cornerbacks that have the size
Speaker 3: that teams are looking for now. Right, dan Quinn is
Speaker 3: looking for now.
Speaker 2: Exactly you know, So don't don't sell the Cowboys short
Speaker 2: on that possible, now, that's right? Yeah, or any actually
Speaker 2: any because my answer has been universal when somebody asked
Speaker 2: me that, I said, you, you give me a position
Speaker 2: short of quarterback and the first round, and I'll give
Speaker 2: you a reason why the Cowboys should take that position.
Speaker 3: All right, let's run through it right now, okay, short,
Speaker 3: and you can make the case for quarterback on the
Speaker 3: third day, right, okay, absolutely, all right, running back. Here's
Speaker 3: a situation at running back. And by the way, what
Speaker 3: two people are looking at what the Cowboys do in
Speaker 3: this draft more so than Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard? Yeah,
Speaker 3: both of them?
Speaker 2: Actually, oh yeah, because Pollard knows he's out a one
Speaker 2: year guaranteed deal and nothing's promised for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: And how does that affect him going forward if the
Speaker 3: Cowboys pick a running back in the.
Speaker 2: First right, is he still in the same role right
Speaker 2: as the contract?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, is pending contract? Yeah, and for obvious reason,
Speaker 3: Zeke as well. So there you've got running back. Pollard's
Speaker 3: in his franchise, in his contract year. Zeke obviously out
Speaker 3: there's obviously an opening at the end right there.
Speaker 4: Wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Sure, you know they picked up the fifth year option
Speaker 3: on CD LAMB. That rossed the news from the last
Speaker 3: few days, and that was as.
Speaker 2: Expected, seventeen point nine million guaranteed for his fifth year.
Speaker 3: So they have him under contract through twenty four.
Speaker 2: And then they restructured Brandon Cook's contract, so he's got
Speaker 2: two years remaining.
Speaker 3: And he is.
Speaker 4: Well where is he at?
Speaker 3: His age? Written down here somewhere and I don't have
Speaker 3: it anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, but I think it's thirty yep. And then they're
Speaker 2: banking on Michael Gallup coming back playing I mean not
Speaker 2: coming back, but playing to the level he played before
Speaker 2: he tore his ACL and after that, well it's question marks.
Speaker 2: You know they're going to give Jayalen Tolbert a chance,
Speaker 2: but you know, another wide receiver I could follow down that,
Speaker 2: no doubt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as early as the first and that's obviously
Speaker 3: tight end tight end Okay, But.
Speaker 2: The thing I think you need to remember about tight
Speaker 2: end is they don't need some fancy speed guy that
Speaker 2: goes downfield. They need a complete tight end, somebody that
Speaker 2: can block, because in my books, that's where they fell short.
Speaker 2: I think Jake Ferguson has potential to be that complete
Speaker 2: tight end. But if the guy can block, I would
Speaker 2: put that above his ability to go vertical.
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Okay, offensive line.
Speaker 2: It's a tackle that can play guard, but you're going
Speaker 2: to do that two years in a row, that's the question.
Speaker 4: And what the Cowboys have right now.
Speaker 3: They have a tackle who can play guard in Tyler Smith, right,
Speaker 3: they drafted the first round.
Speaker 2: But let me stop you right there, because if you
Speaker 2: listen to Steven Jones this past week, he was pretty
Speaker 2: adamant that Tyler Smith, it's our left tackle.
Speaker 3: He is the left tackle, all right, So then you
Speaker 3: have Tyron Smith while Terrence Steele comes back from his
Speaker 3: ACL injury, Tyron Smith is your starting right.
Speaker 2: Tackle if Terrence isn't ready.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think.
Speaker 4: So those are your three top tackles.
Speaker 2: Right and then.
Speaker 4: And opening at the inn at left guard.
Speaker 2: So they're gonna look at Josh Ball there, They're gonna
Speaker 2: look at Farniac there, and then they can look in
Speaker 2: the draft. But again, you don't need to draft in
Speaker 2: the first round a guard, right You can get one
Speaker 2: in the second or third round somewhere. In there that
Speaker 2: might be good enough to walk in and start.
Speaker 3: By the way, what's Tyler Battish's contract status.
Speaker 2: He's in going into the final year of his rookie.
Speaker 4: Final year of his contract.
Speaker 2: So if a guard can play center or a center
Speaker 2: can play guard.
Speaker 4: And Zach Martin Is will be thirty three in.
Speaker 2: November, Yeah, that's all right, he's got three years left.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But at the same point, we're not drafting just for
Speaker 3: this year, right, drafting for the next five years.
Speaker 4: If you're a first.
Speaker 3: Rounder in the next four years beyond the first round.
Speaker 2: See, my thought was, if Tyron Smith was judged, you know,
Speaker 2: good enough to play left tackle, then they could move
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith inside. But I think Stephen Jones point was,
Speaker 2: he said, the overwhelming feeling is is Tyler Smith is
Speaker 2: a left tackle well.
Speaker 3: And the other part of that is Tyron has not
Speaker 3: been able to play a full season right because of
Speaker 3: injuries here in recent years.
Speaker 2: I mean it was in that he's played eleven or
Speaker 2: fourteen games over the last fifty games that he could
Speaker 2: have played. So you know, they can say, okay, he's fine,
Speaker 2: you know, he's back in shape and whatever, but again,
Speaker 2: how well did he play when he was starting. Now
Speaker 2: if Terrence and everything I've heard is Terrence Steele, they
Speaker 2: feel like has a good chance of being ready to
Speaker 2: start the season. But I bet when they get the
Speaker 2: training camp, he's going to be a pup guy, right.
Speaker 2: They're not going to rush him in, and so you
Speaker 2: got to see there, and if he's not ready, then
Speaker 2: Tyron's your right tackle, and you would hope. I think
Speaker 2: he was okay at right tackle. But we talked about
Speaker 2: it last week how the running game went downhill those
Speaker 2: last four regular season games when Terrence Steele wasn't in
Speaker 2: the lineup all right.
Speaker 3: On defense, defensive line, how much of a need is
Speaker 3: there both at interior and on the outside.
Speaker 2: I would say interior. I mean, they re signed Jonathan Hankins,
Speaker 2: but it's a one year deal at the veteran exception,
Speaker 2: so it's not like they're financially obligated to him. I
Speaker 2: think you've got Osa Odiggiezua.
Speaker 4: He's got two years left.
Speaker 2: And after that, you know, Quinton Bohanna was just kind
Speaker 2: of a guy, and Neville Gallimore is entering his last
Speaker 2: year under contract.
Speaker 3: But I think you can also make a case at
Speaker 3: defensive end as well, because DeMarcus Lawrence. He's over thirty now, right, kay,
Speaker 3: and Dorrin's Armstrong's going into his contract year correct, second
Speaker 3: year of a two year deal for him.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Sam Williams is going into his second year, and they
Speaker 3: expect Sam Williams to make the progress from year one
Speaker 3: to year two to get more snaps. I would imagine
Speaker 3: this year Dante Fowler is on a one year, three
Speaker 3: million dollar deal exactly and in fact, by the way,
Speaker 3: much guaranteed money there either.
Speaker 2: And by the way, they move Chauncey Go from n
Speaker 2: to tackle, so there's another spot that's kind of on
Speaker 2: the edge defensive end, so an edge rusher, and Canley
Speaker 2: is another one signed late in the year and they've
Speaker 2: signed another one year year.
Speaker 3: That's right. There is definitely an opening at the end,
Speaker 3: uh everywhere on the defensive line. Linebacker obviously they re
Speaker 3: sign Lton vander Ash. I don't even count Micah because
Speaker 3: Micah is both a linebacker and an edge Rusher's in
Speaker 3: both categories there. Anthony Barr is out there in free agency,
Speaker 3: and uh Luke Gifford signed with Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So you got Damon Clark and what so linebacker. I
Speaker 2: think everybody's kind of ignored that position. But if there's
Speaker 2: a standout guy at twenty six and he's better than
Speaker 2: these other positions, why not.
Speaker 3: And especially a guy who can be on the field
Speaker 3: in the Nickel package too.
Speaker 2: Yes, because who knows about Jabril Cox. We just don't
Speaker 2: have any idea at this point.
Speaker 3: All Right, A big move in the off season is
Speaker 3: getting Stephan Gilmour at the cornerback spot opposite Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3: But the inventory at cornerback and where the contract status
Speaker 3: of those players.
Speaker 2: So you've got Diggs contract year, contract year. They obviously
Speaker 2: Stephen pointed out that they want to re sign him
Speaker 2: and if they can't, they could franchise him if they
Speaker 2: need to hold his deal. Gilmore is on a one
Speaker 2: year deal and he's thirty three years old, by the way.
Speaker 2: And then Jordan Lewis coming back off his list Frank Surgery.
Speaker 2: I think he contract year, contract year, and then Doroan
Speaker 2: Bland they can sync their teeth into him. Who knows
Speaker 2: what happened with Calvin Joseph right now.
Speaker 4: He's a special teamer.
Speaker 2: Right and Nashan Wright is not to be trusted yet It.
Speaker 3: Looks strong at safety, Yes, However, you've got two of
Speaker 3: the primary players in their contract year in jay Ron
Speaker 3: Curse and Malie Cooker. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And so the draft when you have when you
Speaker 2: have salary cap, I'm not going to say problems, but
Speaker 2: you've got to manage it. The way to manage it
Speaker 2: is to draft well and have young guys moving up
Speaker 2: into those positions so you don't have to pay a
Speaker 2: guy a second or by the way, third contract, which
Speaker 2: is going to cost you some money. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: at some point, I don't know that it's the first round.
Speaker 2: They haven't had a history of taking safeties in the
Speaker 2: first round. The last one would have been what Roy
Speaker 2: Williams right of note.
Speaker 3: So, but you've got five dbs that are in their
Speaker 3: contract year, Yes, five basically starting dbs and Diggs, Gilmore
Speaker 3: Lewis as the nickel at a slot corner, and then
Speaker 3: Curse and Hooker. I look at all three of the
Speaker 3: safeties as being starters.
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing you have to consider
Speaker 2: is the position priority. When they look at the draft,
Speaker 2: they stack the positions like, Okay, this is valuable, this
Speaker 2: is next valuable, like that. They have never put a
Speaker 2: high priority on a defensive tackle in the first round
Speaker 2: Russell Maryland, right, and then I think it was Danny Noonan.
Speaker 3: The high priorities. You look at it, it goes from
Speaker 3: outside to end. Right, outside players are higher priority than
Speaker 3: inside players.
Speaker 2: Except except in the secondary cornerback over safety, right, they're
Speaker 2: way outside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, i'd look at yeah you went to
Speaker 3: the field, yeah, yeah, and sci corners are more valuable seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So defensive ends, you know, deep cornerbacks, then linebacker,
Speaker 2: then defensive tackle, then safety. That's kind of the way
Speaker 2: they their history of it. Same thing on offense. Right,
Speaker 2: you know everybody wants to talk about the running back
Speaker 2: positions devalued. Well, if you get a good one, and
Speaker 2: especially at twenty six, and you can sink your teeth
Speaker 2: into this guy for four years at a very inexpensive price,
Speaker 2: now right, you're not paying. I think I saw where
Speaker 2: the gonna the twenty six pick will average three point
Speaker 2: seven million a year. So what, right, it's almost like
Speaker 2: a second round pick. Uh. If it's a running back
Speaker 2: and it's the best one, absolutely right, and then you
Speaker 2: know we're gonna just push quarterback to the side, then
Speaker 2: wide receiver, and then it would be probably a left tackle.
Speaker 2: When I started reading the stuff about tackles. I saw
Speaker 2: a lot of them were, yeah, they're starting right tackles. Well,
Speaker 2: if I'm taking a tackle in the first round and
Speaker 2: I already got one in the first round at left tackle,
Speaker 2: I'm not drafting a right tackle. Sometimes you gotta just
Speaker 2: develop guys and fit them in right and that's I
Speaker 2: guarantee you that's the way they assess it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: All right, we're just getting started on mixed shots.
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Speaker 3: fifty and then it is the pre draft press conference
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Speaker 3: that's when we find out who the cowboys will pick
Speaker 3: on Thursday.
Speaker 2: They will just come right out and tell us.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, all.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, so my questions just letting y'all known.
Speaker 3: Ada chair, there's a fifth chair?
Speaker 2: No, because if you look at the feed, uh huh,
Speaker 2: there's only three chairs right now, so they.
Speaker 4: Need oh, there's only three chairs there.
Speaker 2: Well maybe Mike McCarthy said yeah, And I'm sure Will McClay.
Speaker 3: Well, he's working on Colin plays. He can't write, he
Speaker 3: can't do the office. That's right, right, So let's see
Speaker 3: who's all up there. Okay, there three chairs behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: All right, to be determined. So let's open up that
Speaker 2: big green notebook.
Speaker 3: Okay, what what would you like to know twenty six
Speaker 3: at twenty six?
Speaker 2: Give me three possibilities?
Speaker 3: Three possibilities at twenty six?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about realistically they would be there and you
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind drafting them.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've only got one possibility.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's not either're.
Speaker 4: Going to draft.
Speaker 2: I mean, if Bjeon was there, I think would take them.
Speaker 4: I think so oyes, I.
Speaker 2: Think so answers of that happening.
Speaker 3: I don't think so very Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Let's do it by position. So would you?
Speaker 2: And they've only done it, like what a couple of
Speaker 2: times in their history, taking a tight end in the
Speaker 2: first round.
Speaker 3: There's one tight end that I like that I would
Speaker 3: take in the first round. But I don't think they're
Speaker 3: thinking this way.
Speaker 2: Darnell Washington.
Speaker 4: That's Darnell Washington from Georgia. But I ideally see you don't.
Speaker 3: The trick on it is you don't know how other
Speaker 3: teams evaluate these players, right, and the if you look
Speaker 3: at all the mock drafts out there, all the so
Speaker 3: called draft experts, they've got him ranked as a thirty
Speaker 3: eight to fortieth best player, which would mean no, you
Speaker 3: don't take him in the first round. But we don't
Speaker 3: know that. You know, that's what the as parcels would
Speaker 3: put it. That cottage industry. The draft experts are saying,
Speaker 3: this guy's talent, I think, and his potential is tremendous
Speaker 3: I think for the NFL and by the way, for
Speaker 3: this team in his rookie season, the way he can.
Speaker 2: Block, So it's almost to me at twenty six worth
Speaker 2: taking a chance. On the upside, You've got Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 2: I think, who can be relied on to be.
Speaker 3: Well, let's look at it this way, all right, this
Speaker 3: is a great year for tight ends, and there are
Speaker 3: at least three tight ends. There two tight ends that
Speaker 3: are talked about by many being first round picks, and
Speaker 3: I will put Darnelle Washington in that mix too, But
Speaker 3: Michael Mayer from Notre Dame and Dalton kin Kaid right
Speaker 3: from Utah are two tight ends that have been talked
Speaker 3: about as late first round selections. And all three of
Speaker 3: these guys might still be on the board for the
Speaker 3: Cowboys if they were interested in taking a tight end
Speaker 3: in the first round. So to your point, what I
Speaker 3: think the Cowboys did a great job last year in
Speaker 3: acquiring in the fourth round Jake Ferguson and as a
Speaker 3: college free agent Peyton Hendershot. Okay, right, so now you're
Speaker 3: looking that you've lost Dalton Schultz. Now you're looking for
Speaker 3: a tight end to take that other spot, who I
Speaker 3: think can basically be a starter in your twelve personnel.
Speaker 3: It might be your starter in eleven personnel too, depending
Speaker 3: on how quickly a rookie develops. But I like where
Speaker 3: Jake Ferguson is coming off. I think he had a
Speaker 3: really good rookie season and there's no reason to think
Speaker 3: he's going to take a step back. I think he's
Speaker 3: going to keep growing from there. So I'm looking for
Speaker 3: a tight end to pair with those other two. And
Speaker 3: then you throw in Sean McEwan in the mix too
Speaker 3: as the fourth tight end.
Speaker 2: So in this analysis of him, Dane Brugler, by the way,
Speaker 2: he is a one on one talent with fascinating pro
Speaker 2: potential because of his rare length, play strength, and body
Speaker 2: flexibility at his size, which is six five two sixty four.
Speaker 3: It's a six six and five eight inches tall sixty
Speaker 3: six and five eighths two sixty four, and he was
Speaker 3: two seventy two at his Pro.
Speaker 2: Day and if you believe the pro day size, he's
Speaker 2: sixty seven.
Speaker 3: Six seven and a half.
Speaker 10: So I don't know if I guess he has zru
Speaker 10: a little bit right, he had his boots on this, Yeah,
Speaker 10: but it just seems like if this guy can block
Speaker 10: the way week we've seen.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, let's just compare, Okay, Dalton Kinkaid Utah
Speaker 3: wide receiver. We don't have any measurables on him because
Speaker 3: of an injury. Uh, and so we don't have his
Speaker 3: forty time, we don't have any of that. We do
Speaker 3: know he is a really good receiving tight end and
Speaker 3: I think he is terrific after the catch too, his
Speaker 3: run after catch. So I don't have any questions about
Speaker 3: him as a receiving tight end. And he's fine as
Speaker 3: a blocker. But even going into the last season for Utah,
Speaker 3: their number one tight end got hurt the third game
Speaker 3: of the season and Kinkaid was the second tight end
Speaker 3: at Utah, and then he took advantage of that and
Speaker 3: had seventy catches for eight hundred and ninety yards and
Speaker 3: eight touchdowns. There's no knock on him, but that's just
Speaker 3: sort of what he is. Has received Michael Mayer is
Speaker 3: a complete tight end quote unquote right. Okay, he's twenty
Speaker 3: one years old. He's only three years at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: A starter for two and a half of those years.
Speaker 3: Even his freshman year he was He started four games,
Speaker 3: played in twelve and forty two catches, had seventy one
Speaker 3: catches his second year, sixty seven catches and nine touchdowns
Speaker 3: his third year. The difference between Mayor and Darnel Washington.
Speaker 3: You talk about blocking well, and Mayor is probably a
Speaker 3: fine as a blocker, right and people have talked about
Speaker 3: him being really good as the quote unquote best blocking
Speaker 3: tight end. But I don't know that they're considering what
Speaker 3: Darnell Washington is as a blocker.
Speaker 2: And you know what, and the concaid guy, he's two
Speaker 2: forty six, right, he's a move tight end.
Speaker 3: Right well, and Mayor can't wait in at two forty nine.
Speaker 3: He looks bigger than that.
Speaker 2: Now, what about this guy? This one caught my eye.
Speaker 3: Luke Muskrave, Okay, let me let me first before you
Speaker 3: get to musk Grave. Here's Mayor thirty one and a
Speaker 3: half inch arms, Washington thirty four and a half inch arms.
Speaker 4: He's got an eighty.
Speaker 3: Three and a half nearly eighty four inch wingspan. Washington
Speaker 3: does the measurables. Mayor ran a four to seven forty
Speaker 3: with a thirty two and a half vertical and nine
Speaker 3: to ten broad jump four four four shuttle and a
Speaker 3: seven to two six three cone. Just to give it comparison,
Speaker 3: Hindershot had a six ninety one three cone, and keep
Speaker 3: in mind Mayor of seven to twenty six and he
Speaker 3: had a Hendershot was four to twenty five on his shuttle,
Speaker 3: while Ferguson was a seven to three cone drill. I
Speaker 3: mean Ferguson ran a four to eight though right so
Speaker 3: Darnelle Washington had a four to oh eight shuttle time
Speaker 3: the five to ten to five shuttle. I mean that
Speaker 3: at that kind of size, I mean, now here there's
Speaker 3: some athleticism.
Speaker 2: Here might be the difference maker, and none of these
Speaker 2: things usually have that in there. When they asked on
Speaker 2: Friday Dak Prescott about what he likes in a tight end,
Speaker 2: he said, first and foremost, he has to be smart.
Speaker 2: He almost has to be smart as a orderback uh
Speaker 2: to be productive in our offense at tight end.
Speaker 3: Funny you mentioned that as on my drive in I
Speaker 3: was thinking about the tight ends, and it seems like
Speaker 3: across the board, all these tight ends seem to be
Speaker 3: really sharp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what you mean.
Speaker 3: And so it goes back to college where guys become
Speaker 3: tight ends and they had in order to be a
Speaker 3: success even at college as a tight end. And it's
Speaker 3: interesting also to see how the tight end has come
Speaker 3: back into the college game. There was a time eight
Speaker 3: to ten years ago that you couldn't find any tight
Speaker 3: ends because they were all either moving to the defensive
Speaker 3: side of the ball or whatever. Yeah, all right, Uh
Speaker 3: so they've used they're using the tight end more in
Speaker 3: the college game.
Speaker 4: To that end.
Speaker 3: Listen to Luke Musgrave talk and you think you're you're
Speaker 3: listening to Darryl Johnston. I mean, you talk about a
Speaker 3: sharp mind. Musgrave who is the nephew of Bill Musgrave,
Speaker 3: who was a Cowboys four round draft pick thirty years
Speaker 3: ago and has been a long time offensive coordinator both
Speaker 3: in the NFL and in college. He's an intriguing prospect.
Speaker 3: He only played two games, had a knee injury his
Speaker 3: last year at Oregon State. But here's another guy with
Speaker 3: some length at six five and seven eight inch tall
Speaker 3: and two hundred and fifty one pounds, ran a four
Speaker 3: to six, and he is athletic with a thirty six
Speaker 3: vertical and a ten to five broad jump.
Speaker 2: I like this fact about him. He started skiing at
Speaker 2: age five, so he's an.
Speaker 4: Athlete accomplished skier.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well it helps when your mother was on
Speaker 2: the US developmental ski team in nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: Right, So, But anyway, but then there are other tight
Speaker 3: ends like Tucker Kraft from South Dakota State, which produced
Speaker 3: Dallas Goddard. Here's another. He's sixty five, two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty four pounds. He had sixty five catches in fifteen
Speaker 3: games played for South Dakota State.
Speaker 4: His junior year. There was an All American.
Speaker 3: There's a There's a whole bunch of tight ends that
Speaker 3: are intriguing. But I like Darnel Washington the best out
Speaker 3: of him, and a lot of it is because of
Speaker 3: his upside.
Speaker 2: And so if he develops in a year or so
Speaker 2: and he's that all purpose tight end, but he can
Speaker 2: come in and be a blocker in your two tight
Speaker 2: end sets and you've got hinder shot to stretch the field.
Speaker 2: I think it's as a threesome that's pretty strong, right,
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't need another guy that's just
Speaker 2: gonna catch a bunch of passes.
Speaker 3: Right, there's not And with Mayor, there doesn't appear to
Speaker 3: be a lot of run after catch ability there right
Speaker 3: as there would be like a Dalton Kincaid and Darnell
Speaker 3: Washington for that matter.
Speaker 2: And let me point this out about when people say
Speaker 2: the Cowboys lost Dalton Schultz in free agency, either they
Speaker 2: chose chose to lose him or he chose to not
Speaker 2: take a pay cut here with the Cowboys because he
Speaker 2: didn't get paid what he thought he was worth going
Speaker 2: to the Texans. And I think he might have over
Speaker 2: stated his value to the Cowboys and they were like, no,
Speaker 2: that's too much.
Speaker 3: Probably fell victim to this strong draft class as well.
Speaker 3: And Mike Kasicki the same thing happened to him, right
Speaker 3: when you look at the lay of the land this offseason.
Speaker 2: Because when I see a guy leave and all he
Speaker 2: signs is a one year deal, you didn't lose him.
Speaker 2: You know, you chose either not to pay him what
Speaker 2: he was asking for or he chose to go somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Yeap other positions that.
Speaker 2: You know, wide receiver.
Speaker 3: We mentioned it wide receivers. I like Zay Flowers a
Speaker 3: lot from Boston College. Of course, I love Jackson Smith
Speaker 3: and Jig, but I don't think he's going to.
Speaker 2: Be that's not going to have He's not about the
Speaker 2: guy from.
Speaker 3: TCU, Quentin Johnston. He I like him, he and just
Speaker 3: like the size. Yeah, he's a nearly six three, two
Speaker 3: hundred and eight pounds with a forty and a half
Speaker 3: vertical and eleven two broad jump, sixty catches his last
Speaker 3: year at TCU for over one thousand yards six touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Uh and at his size he is. He's a guy
Speaker 3: that stretches the field too.
Speaker 4: He was.
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Speaker 3: We've got a few more minutes here, but I mentioned
Speaker 3: Zay Flowers as a potential first rounder. I really like
Speaker 3: him out of Boston College. You don't like this part
Speaker 3: about him? Five Mickey does it like short players.
Speaker 2: Because he's he's probably an outside guy, I mean slot guy,
Speaker 2: but doesn't Brandon Cooks can do both right, he can
Speaker 2: play outside. And although it's not all about this year,
Speaker 2: as we.
Speaker 4: How many brothers and say, does Michael Irvin.
Speaker 2: Have I think it was like sixteen or seventeen.
Speaker 3: O Kayse Flowers has thirteen. So that's one of the
Speaker 3: reasons I like him. Michael turned out pretty well as
Speaker 3: a first round pick.
Speaker 2: Because you've got to be good to feed the rest.
Speaker 3: Of that family. There are several mid round wide receivers
Speaker 3: I like, including Jayden Reid from Michigan State, who would
Speaker 3: be like a at number ninety. Third round, you got
Speaker 3: Marvin Mimes from Oklahomas who is He would be more
Speaker 3: in the range of the second round pick at fifty
Speaker 3: eight probably and he could fall the into the third round.
Speaker 3: And after that, there's a guy from Stanford, Michael Wilson
Speaker 3: who is.
Speaker 2: I saw him that interested me.
Speaker 4: Michael Wilson.
Speaker 3: He was he was the best receiver at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: He had injury issues at Stanford, but you talk about
Speaker 3: a guy. He's got not only his undergraduate degree at Stanford,
Speaker 3: also his Masters in communit vaccasions. He reminds me, you
Speaker 3: know who, he reminds me of, Miles Austin. He In fact,
Speaker 3: I did a comparison him and Miles when he came
Speaker 3: out six two hundred and fifteen pounds, Michael Wilson is
Speaker 3: six to two hundred thirteen pounds. Miles ran a four
Speaker 3: to five to one. Michael Wilson ran a four to five.
Speaker 3: Miles had twenty one bench reps. Michael Wilson twenty three
Speaker 3: bench reps. Miles had a forty inch vertical. This guy
Speaker 3: had a thirty eight inch vertical. Broad jump ten three
Speaker 3: for Austin, ten five for Wilson. It's almost identical across
Speaker 3: the board. I really like this Michael Wilson. Again, the
Speaker 3: only knock on him was the injuries that he suffered
Speaker 3: in college. He played six games as last year at Stanford,
Speaker 3: and anyway, he is the right kind of guy that
Speaker 3: you're looking for to add to your football team, and
Speaker 3: he has a lot of athleticism.
Speaker 2: So if you take a wide receiver, you have to
Speaker 2: judge that guy being better than Jalen Tolbert and Simmi Fijoko.
Speaker 2: Same thing with a running back mid rounds, they better
Speaker 2: be better than the leak Davis or ric o'dowdell.
Speaker 3: But Michael Wilson is a guy. If he's there in
Speaker 3: the fourth round, I'm really considering him, And due to
Speaker 3: his injuries, he may still be there.
Speaker 4: In the fifth rod.
Speaker 2: So when Cedric Wilson gets cut by the Dolphins, would
Speaker 2: you be interested in bringing him back?
Speaker 3: What's the salary if they cut him?
Speaker 2: Is no salary?
Speaker 3: I tried, and so you're talking about basically the veteran minimum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got to read because they, you know, basically
Speaker 2: signed him to a big deal and now they're sitting
Speaker 2: there and brought in all these wide receivers and he
Speaker 2: ended up being fourth on a big contract.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got to talk you to yes, Yes, Chris Bey.
Speaker 2: The one thing I don't like about Wilson he has
Speaker 2: more drops in his college career than he does touchdown passes.
Speaker 3: Well, and you didn't like that about the Green Bay
Speaker 3: guy from North Dakota State last year too?
Speaker 2: What about the offensive guard from North Dakota State with
Speaker 2: all the PARTI got more hair than teeth?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many touchdown catches did that North Dakota State
Speaker 3: receiver have against the Cowboys. I think that was the
Speaker 3: one that had all the drops in a career game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, defense, here go ahead.
Speaker 4: Here's my guy in the second round. Getting started on
Speaker 4: this guy?
Speaker 3: Which guy Wilson? Oh Zach Harrison, Ohio State fast rusher
Speaker 3: on the edge. He was the number one recruit in
Speaker 3: the nation coming out of high school, and Ohio State
Speaker 3: fans say, oh I didn't live up.
Speaker 2: To Is that the guy I saw on the Blitz
Speaker 2: last night?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, I love him. He is.
Speaker 4: Get this.
Speaker 3: He is six five and a half two hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty nine pounds, thirty six and a quarter inch arms
Speaker 3: and an eighty five and a half inch wingspan with
Speaker 3: ten inch hands. He is only twenty one years old,
Speaker 3: turns twenty two in August. For the now, the knock
Speaker 3: on him is he didn't have the sack production, but
Speaker 3: in four years at Ohio State had thirteen sacks, He
Speaker 3: had five force fumbles and eleven passes defens Okay, let
Speaker 3: me compare him with Tyree Wilson, who might be the
Speaker 3: second pick in the draft of the Houston Texans at
Speaker 3: six five and a half two hundred and seventy one pounds.
Speaker 3: His arm's on just a slightly shorter at thirty five
Speaker 3: and five eights eighty four and a half inch wingspan
Speaker 3: very similar. He started his career at Texas A and
Speaker 3: m couldn't get on the field there, transfers to Texas
Speaker 3: Tech and has now become the talk of the draft
Speaker 3: that he's going to. And he had seven sacks for
Speaker 3: Texas Tech last year. But when I look at these
Speaker 3: two players, and he's coming off foot surgery where he
Speaker 3: had a screw inserted in his foot, which has not
Speaker 3: hurt his draft stock at all apparently. But I look
Speaker 3: at these two players and I can't tell the difference.
Speaker 3: And Zach Harrison's being talked about as a third round
Speaker 3: pick and Tyree Wilson is being talked about as the
Speaker 3: second or third pick in the draft.
Speaker 2: You got a crazy quarterback you like, and by the way,
Speaker 2: Zach Harrison.
Speaker 3: Zach Harrison also when he was in high school, he
Speaker 3: ran a four four seven forty. Now that was when
Speaker 3: he was a six five, two hundred and thirty five
Speaker 3: pound wide receiver, and he ran a ten seven hundred
Speaker 3: meters and a twenty one to five to two hundred meters. Okay,
Speaker 3: do you have any's strong as an ox?
Speaker 2: Do you have Caleb Murphy on your list? Caleb Murphy,
Speaker 2: he was the winner.
Speaker 3: Of the.
Speaker 2: Of the Cliff Harris Small College Award Defensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year from Farris State.
Speaker 4: Farris State.
Speaker 2: I think in two years he had thirty some sacks.
Speaker 4: Okay, I still have work to do before a draft day.
Speaker 2: Check out Caleb Murphy. Actually, he's listed in this thing
Speaker 2: as a six or seven round pick.
Speaker 3: I don't have all year to fill up my notebook.
Speaker 3: I got like a month. Well, but he was Cliff
Speaker 3: Harris's guy, cramming for this test and I haven't. And
Speaker 3: now I'm not acing the test because you gave me
Speaker 3: Cliff Harris, the Cliff Harris Award winner.
Speaker 2: Did you meet him, Yes, I did. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, he had forty one sacks in his call
Speaker 2: his career, twenty five last year. Twenty five sacks last year, right,
Speaker 2: and first round? Uh no, he's said the first stick.
Speaker 2: He's projected small college. Yeah, but he got a tour
Speaker 2: of the place. Uh huh uh. And he runs into
Speaker 2: dan Quinn. Oh you know what dan Quinn tells him? Yeah,
Speaker 2: we just got done talking about you. Really, And then
Speaker 2: later on his tour he runs into Stephen Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, this guy just had the tour of his life.
Speaker 2: But better than that, Cliff Harris had never taken a
Speaker 2: tour of the start really. So we're walking. I caught
Speaker 2: up with him. They were walking down towards the from
Speaker 2: the Cowboys locker room. He had no idea they had
Speaker 2: that Pro Bowl wall with his name as the top
Speaker 2: free safety or top safety in Cowboy history because he
Speaker 2: had the most Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, look at there's my name. He had
Speaker 2: never been.
Speaker 4: Through the wow wow.
Speaker 2: Anyway, little site.
Speaker 3: So Kayla Murphy, who a sixty three and sixty three
Speaker 3: pounder transferred from Grand Valley State to Farris.
Speaker 2: State Division two.
Speaker 3: By the way, Okay, I'll take Zach Harrison in the second.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I didn't mean for him in the
Speaker 2: second round.
Speaker 3: Also, I Drew Sanders, linebacker from Arkansas. Yes, he could
Speaker 3: be in the mix first round. I like Trenton Simpson
Speaker 3: from Clemson as well.
Speaker 2: You got a cornerback.
Speaker 4: There are there are.
Speaker 3: Cornerbacks that that, but I don't I don't think the
Speaker 3: top ones are going to be on the board for
Speaker 3: the Cowboys at twenty six.
Speaker 2: So they'll be at the mercy of somebody falling into
Speaker 2: their lap. Otherwise they're taking what they determine. It's not
Speaker 2: a player with a first round grade, but like a
Speaker 2: first a player that you probably a second round grade
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't mind taking in the first round at
Speaker 2: twenty six.
Speaker 3: I got a safety this morning that I finally was
Speaker 3: able to take a look at from Boise State that
Speaker 3: I really like JL Skinner.
Speaker 2: Okay, third round now he may yeah, got you hitter,
Speaker 2: got you down? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are JL Skinner? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Now he didn't test.
Speaker 3: He had a torn peck in training for the Combine,
Speaker 3: so he had pectoral surgery. So but he'll be ready
Speaker 3: for training camp.
Speaker 2: All right, we should be ready for the draft press
Speaker 2: conference when they're going to tell us who they're going
Speaker 2: to draft.
Speaker 3: And it will be you know, it will begin precisely
Speaker 3: at high noon too here, Yeah, okay, exactly, all right,
Speaker 3: and wow, we well will convene in the meantime. Yes,
Speaker 3: we'll get a chance on throughout the draft weekend. But
Speaker 3: next Monday morning at eleven am, we will wrap it
Speaker 3: all up and tell you who all those college free agents.
Speaker 3: Are the Cowboys signed? See you next week.
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