Speaker 1: To our remove Golin deep speed wins peas do.
Speaker 2: From the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 1: This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. He's job my ad
Speaker 1: hands in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: What is up, Dolph fans and well gone to the
Speaker 2: Drive Time Podcast? I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And
Speaker 2: on today's show, it's part four of our year end
Speaker 2: review that rolls onto the tight end room. We're talking
Speaker 2: our smallest position group on the roster. Because of the
Speaker 2: busy rest of our show Senior Bowl coming up this week,
Speaker 2: we are pivoting quite strong into draft season. Here on
Speaker 2: the podcast. We'll also go ahead and take a look
Speaker 2: at the conference championship week and when we learn from
Speaker 2: those games with the Lions and Niners and the Ravens
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: All of that and more.
Speaker 2: From the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 1: This is the Draft Time Podcast. May guess and then
Speaker 1: there were just two.
Speaker 2: My Super Bowl pick went bust this year after getting
Speaker 2: it on the nose last year. It is a rematch
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty Super Bowl. Anybody else completely lost
Speaker 2: track of which super Bowl it is?
Speaker 1: Is it like fifty eight or something like.
Speaker 2: I blame the Roman numerals for this, because I have
Speaker 2: a one oh one understanding of the Roman numerals. I
Speaker 2: know how to do like eight where it's or is
Speaker 2: it actually I don't even know how to do that.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know any of it at all.
Speaker 2: But ultimately it becomes like that anagrams category on Jeopardy
Speaker 2: where you're trying to spell the word backwards and it
Speaker 2: takes you about three minutes, and by the time you
Speaker 2: do that, the contestants have already buzzed in and destroy
Speaker 2: your caveman brain on the way to making that happen quickly.
Speaker 1: I digress.
Speaker 2: So the Chiefs are back again, a chance to give
Speaker 2: us our first repeat champion since the three to four Patriots.
Speaker 2: And that's the kind of dynasty that we've seen this
Speaker 2: Chiefs team undertake, right, because Tom Brady essentially had multiple
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame careers, Like I think you could argue
Speaker 2: that Brady was a Hall of Famer. From one to
Speaker 2: four you win three championships, probably a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Then again from five to thirteen, no rings. And this
Speaker 2: shows you the I guess inclusivivity of the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame in terms of it's not about one accomplishment, it's
Speaker 2: about your body of work. And I think that Brady
Speaker 2: from five to thirteen no rings, but had that undefeated
Speaker 2: regular season in seven improved stats that during that run
Speaker 2: of his career, consistently dominant year in and year out,
Speaker 2: with different receivers and different defense, like whatever.
Speaker 1: It was, Brady was just always really good.
Speaker 2: Right, And then it had what I thought was a
Speaker 2: third separate Hall of Fame career from twenty fourteen to
Speaker 2: the end of it in twenty twenty two by winning
Speaker 2: a ring every other year for four years consecutively, right,
Speaker 2: or or eight year I guess, or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Fourteen yes, fifteen, oh, sixteen, yes, seventeen oh, eighteen yes,
Speaker 2: nineteen oh, twenty twenty Yes.
Speaker 1: Like amazing, amazing, amazing career for Tom bri and.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs have essentially put themselves in position near the
Speaker 2: exact same thing with a chance to win their third
Speaker 2: in five years. It's their fourth trip to the game
Speaker 2: in five years, so I think it's already a dynasty.
Speaker 2: But in terms of getting your third in that amount
Speaker 2: of time, I would say that you're basically you basically
Speaker 2: become the seventies Steelers and the nineties Cowboys and the
Speaker 2: eighties nine Ers. Right like that, that's the sixties Packers.
Speaker 2: That's who you're on the on the verge of becoming,
Speaker 2: and on the other side of it, the Niners. Another
Speaker 2: chance for Kyle Shanahan to break through, which I think
Speaker 2: is ultimately where my allegiances lean.
Speaker 1: In this Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I was hoping for a little bit of a fresher
Speaker 2: take on the Super Bowl because these teams, we've seen.
Speaker 1: Them this far into the calendar so.
Speaker 2: Many times now, but these two, you know, compared to
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, the Niners are kind of ripe off the vine,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that they've been in four of the
Speaker 2: last five conference championships as well. Like it's funny, man,
Speaker 2: we talk about how much this league has parody, and
Speaker 2: it does.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: The Lions propping up in that position was cool to see,
Speaker 2: even though the ending was disastrous for them. But even
Speaker 2: with that, even with you know, Houston having a cute
Speaker 2: run to the divisional round playoffs, right a team that
Speaker 2: had won four games each of the last two years.
Speaker 2: Then you get to this part of the thing and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh yeah, these guys. Those guys again, the
Speaker 2: Brady Manning, the freaking Mahomes. I wouldn't put Rock Pritty
Speaker 2: in there, but Mahomes and Lamar. Right, you get to
Speaker 2: this point of the calendar and it becomes the same
Speaker 2: guys again. But for Shanahan, you know, like a chance
Speaker 2: to really get over the hump. Right, the twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: Super Bowl as the OC, you know, when he had
Speaker 2: twenty five point lead go by the wayside. Then the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl as a head coach is a ten point
Speaker 2: fourth quarter lead, had a man wide open with Marquis
Speaker 2: Goodwin to win that thing, but Jimmy Ggoppolo misses the throw.
Speaker 2: Then the late loss of the Rams in the twenty
Speaker 2: one NFC Championship Game. Then the last year to have
Speaker 2: their quarterback get hurt early on in the game in
Speaker 2: the NFC Title Game. I just I feel like the
Speaker 2: Niners are due to get to the spot and to
Speaker 2: win in this game. And like we talk about the
Speaker 2: heartbreak on this podcas cast all the damn time, it's
Speaker 2: been the Niners since Shanahan got there getting.
Speaker 1: Over the hump.
Speaker 2: About the narratives that are developed from just sixty minutes
Speaker 2: of football, I mean, if I told you that we
Speaker 2: would follow the same linear path as the Niners. As
Speaker 2: Dolphins fans, you would take that right, although I don't
Speaker 2: know because I'm on Twitter, and it's kind of funny
Speaker 2: because like the Ravens lost that game, after that season,
Speaker 2: after their quarterback, it's probably gonna win the MVP in
Speaker 2: ten days from now, you can go through tweets of
Speaker 2: Ravens content creators and see the exact same replies that
Speaker 2: you saw when Miami lost to Kansas City. I saw,
Speaker 2: this team will never win a championship with Harbaugh and
Speaker 2: Jackson at the helm. This team is all about the
Speaker 2: regular season, all fluff, and then they disappear in the
Speaker 2: biggest moments. I think thirty one fan bases are gonna
Speaker 2: feel that way. So Dolphins fans, You're not alone. And
Speaker 2: those that don't subscribe to the chaos theory and the
Speaker 2: perpetual complaining and bitching and whining about everything that goes
Speaker 2: wrong in a loss. The ones that don't do that
Speaker 2: just know that every other fan base does the exact
Speaker 2: same thing as well. So like, but the heartbreak at
Speaker 2: this time of year is just so much more intense,
Speaker 2: isn't it. I don't really know, I'd imagine for those
Speaker 2: teams that is that way, but we haven't experienced that.
Speaker 2: I really would like to at some point. But imagine
Speaker 2: if you're a Lions fan today, if the Lions were
Speaker 2: us today, I didn't think fandom could get more painful
Speaker 2: than our final three games of the season. But a
Speaker 2: seventeen point second half lead that turns these next two weeks,
Speaker 2: which should have been the two most fun weeks of
Speaker 2: your life as a sports fan. Right, Like your team
Speaker 2: has never been in the Super Bowl, They're gonna go.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be talked about for two weeks. Every podcast,
Speaker 2: every show, every radio hit, every interview, every press conference
Speaker 2: is like on thirty, not ten on thirty.
Speaker 1: Right, But now you can't even watch it. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to. You can't watch the.
Speaker 2: Content, you can't listen to podcasts, you can't watch radio row.
Speaker 1: Now all that was taken away from you. That has
Speaker 1: to hurt so bad.
Speaker 2: But for the Niners, they've experienced that hurt tenfold five
Speaker 2: times over. Right, So Shanahan's.
Speaker 1: First year was an absolute rebuild. They were a garbage team.
Speaker 2: Then they lose Jimmy Garoppolo to an injury. The next
Speaker 2: year that essentially wipes their season away. Then they go
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl and lose a ten point lead
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, Ultimate pain. Then another injury plague
Speaker 2: season produces a six and ten mark for them, and man,
Speaker 2: isn't it funny?
Speaker 1: Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Then QB injuries ruin a season to go six and ten.
Speaker 2: Then they start off two and five, ultimately three and
Speaker 2: six in that season as well, three and six through
Speaker 2: nine games. And I distinctly specifically recall the Around the
Speaker 2: NFL podcast talking about the possibility that Kyle Shanahan loses
Speaker 2: his job and that they move on from John Lynch.
Speaker 2: There's always a lesson on this podcast, right We always
Speaker 2: talk about what you can learn from these other big
Speaker 2: games that don't involve the Dolphins. And I always say
Speaker 2: that the Dolphins fans hold the Dolphins to a different
Speaker 2: standard than the rest of the league, and this quarterback
Speaker 2: to a different standard than the rest of the league.
Speaker 1: I think most teams.
Speaker 2: Probably do that most fan bases because you're so inundated
Speaker 2: with your team and you probably don't watch as much ball.
Speaker 2: But I think this time of year, I hope we
Speaker 2: can all extrap late we'll be see from those games
Speaker 2: and I saw Greg Olsen, who in my opinion, is
Speaker 2: the best color commentator in the National Football League right
Speaker 2: now or college football. I think my top two announcers
Speaker 2: play by play bee Chris Fawler in college and Greg
Speaker 2: Olsen in the NFL as your color guy. But I
Speaker 2: saw him get lots of feedback, and I get the
Speaker 2: trepidation about Dan Campbell's decisions. But he talked about how
Speaker 2: you can't play the outcomes of these Dan Campbell decisions.
Speaker 2: While I agree to his point a little bit, I
Speaker 2: do think there is a unique case in a do
Speaker 2: or die game. It's kind of like in baseball, where
Speaker 2: you don't bunt and give up outs in a one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two game contest, right, Like, that's it's
Speaker 2: all about Billy Bean Jonahill moneyball. Maximize your runs you score,
Speaker 2: minimize the runs you allow, and giving away outs in
Speaker 2: that situation over one hundred and sixty two games will
Speaker 2: produce fewer runs. But in an October, in a one
Speaker 2: game playoff that you need to win, you do move
Speaker 2: that runner from second to third base on a bunt. Right.
Speaker 2: The lesson is use sample size overreaction, but also I
Speaker 2: mean beyond common sense like you can just see it.
Speaker 1: You can see Shannahan one of the greats. We realize that, right.
Speaker 1: You don't have to use.
Speaker 2: Stats or a playoff loss, or a bad fourth quarter
Speaker 2: or a whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: Just watch the damn games. You can see it.
Speaker 2: Not sure anything else needs to be said, but it's
Speaker 2: a podcast, and I have the microphone, so you will
Speaker 2: listen to every damn word I have to say. The
Speaker 2: other part is the game is so high variance. Man,
Speaker 2: there are so many bounces the ball can take that
Speaker 2: just change the game completely. If Darnell Savage picks off
Speaker 2: that pass in his lap last week, to the Niners
Speaker 2: end the year as one and done as double digit
Speaker 2: home favorites in the divisional round as the one seed,
Speaker 2: an embarrassing way to go out, maybe, or if Josh
Speaker 2: Reynolds catches one of two critical passes in his bread basket,
Speaker 2: like maybe the Niners don't get past this game, and
Speaker 2: that's a huge failure in its own right right to
Speaker 2: lose the Lions, Like the Lions were a good team
Speaker 2: this year, but for the Niners to lose the Lions
Speaker 2: in that spot at home, can't do it extrapolate the
Speaker 2: quality of your coaches, your teams, whatever, from one drop pass,
Speaker 2: from one result. That is my entire point. You do that,
Speaker 2: you're gonna inform bad decisions. But if you evaluate and
Speaker 2: provide context and don't make results based ultimatums, make the
Speaker 2: playoffs or else you're gone.
Speaker 1: Win a playoff game, or else you're gone.
Speaker 2: Like I saw the questions to like Stephen Ross, but
Speaker 2: I give Mike McDaniel a playoff win ultimatum. What if
Speaker 2: he goes seventeen and oh, we get to the divisional
Speaker 2: round and we our quarterback gets hurt in the first play,
Speaker 2: Like what if that happens. What if we're still in
Speaker 2: the game in the fourth quarter and we miss a
Speaker 2: twenty three yard field goal, You're gonna fire your coach
Speaker 2: because of that.
Speaker 1: Like that's my.
Speaker 2: Point, man, Like, don't make rash emotional decisions in any
Speaker 2: walk of life, especially in a seventeen game season National
Speaker 2: Football League, because after a six and ten season, they
Speaker 2: move heaven and earth to get up nine spots and take.
Speaker 1: The quarterback who was there for two seasons.
Speaker 2: Starts to the number of games that you can count
Speaker 2: on one hand, right, and all of that, a three
Speaker 2: and six start after a six and ten year missing
Speaker 2: on the biggest, most important move they made, and look
Speaker 2: at them.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get into these games
Speaker 2: a little bit more before our first break. I wasn't
Speaker 2: planning on that round rant, but has been I think
Speaker 2: worthwhile Ravens and Chiefs. So first off kicks off with
Speaker 2: insanely gifted playmaker quarterbacks right going tit for tat. On
Speaker 2: those first couple of drives, Mahomes and Kelsey had those
Speaker 2: that big fourth down conversion and then the big touchdown
Speaker 2: back shoulder throw that was a phenomenal throw, but even
Speaker 2: better catch from Kelsey, who reminded me of Gronk and
Speaker 2: those catches the way those massive hands just sort of
Speaker 2: vacuumed the football in and make these tough contested catches.
Speaker 2: And then Lamar gets one of those scramble looks tend
Speaker 2: plays where he runs around and makes a great throw
Speaker 2: into the end zone over the top for was it
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers for the touchdown? And it's like, okay, here
Speaker 2: we go. It's going to be a repeat of last week.
Speaker 2: Two superhuman quarterbacks going back and forth. And then it
Speaker 2: wasn't that how many three and outs were there? The
Speaker 2: first two possessions of the third quarter, there was five
Speaker 2: to three and outs. The Chiefs ended the game with
Speaker 2: five straight punts, and the Ravens scored three points in
Speaker 2: the second half. Even the scoring drives, they were lengthy
Speaker 2: these third down conversions, And I think that's an example
Speaker 2: of how you can sort of identify roster strength and
Speaker 2: what you need. Because to be able to win these games,
Speaker 2: you have to execute not just over the course of
Speaker 2: a whole playoff run or even a game run, even
Speaker 2: within the context of a single drive. You're gonna have
Speaker 2: to execute multiple different formulas to find victory. Like you
Speaker 2: have to have your power run game to convert some
Speaker 2: short yardage. You probably need your explosive passing game to
Speaker 2: back teams off and get yourself those chunk plays that
Speaker 2: ultimately put you in range to score points. You probably
Speaker 2: have to create some plays off script where the defense
Speaker 2: wins a call, because that happens all the time in
Speaker 2: the National Football League. But this time of year, when
Speaker 2: you're going up against Mike McDonald, the Ravens genius coordinator's
Speaker 2: gonna be a head coach next year, Like your quarterback
Speaker 2: probably has to find a way to win a couple
Speaker 2: of plays that you didn't win on the call sheet.
Speaker 2: I think that just the sustained drives are a good
Speaker 2: example of our splits as Miami Dolphins against disciplined or
Speaker 2: are good defenses, right because we tear up defenses that
Speaker 2: have busts, that don't communicate, that don't have good structure.
Speaker 2: We put forty on those teams every damn time. But
Speaker 2: the teams that come in and communicate, they have a
Speaker 2: veteran of green dot. They have versatile ranging middle linebackers.
Speaker 2: They have good, smart, heady safeties, they have good press
Speaker 2: corns on the outside, they have guys that can win
Speaker 2: one on ones on the inside. Those teams that those
Speaker 2: defensive structures can give us issues. And I think that
Speaker 2: we didn't have enough thud in the power game, not
Speaker 2: enough short area separators. You know, we just have the
Speaker 2: two guys that can win, but beyond that, didn't have
Speaker 2: a third option in the passing game, and the quarterback's
Speaker 2: not a threat in the pack in the running game. Right,
Speaker 2: Those are areas I think this Dolphins team can look
Speaker 2: to improve upon to find ways to compete in these
Speaker 2: critical games, which is obviously the next step for this
Speaker 2: football team. They've improved the offense, They've improved the defense,
Speaker 2: the special teams, and they got the right head coach,
Speaker 2: they have the right quarterback. They have to find ways
Speaker 2: to compete in these situations. I think that is one
Speaker 2: way you can do that. But then also, you know,
Speaker 2: like all these narratives I just lifted off for the
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins, what is it now for Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 2: the Baltimore evens?
Speaker 1: Like he's two and four in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: He lost a home playoff game as a favorite to
Speaker 2: a guy that You're probably not going to get many
Speaker 2: chances to play at home against that guy the next
Speaker 2: ten years. Like's be honest about that. And I don't
Speaker 2: care about the Houston Texans win. They were ten ten
Speaker 2: at halftime. They were not looking good in that and
Speaker 2: Lamar played great in that game, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: played great in the second half. But beating were they
Speaker 2: nine and eight? The Texans ten and seven this year
Speaker 2: and they won a fun playoff game. But the Texans
Speaker 2: that was like the fourteenth best team in the NFL
Speaker 2: this year. I'm not like saying that was what put
Speaker 2: Lamar beyond this narrative, beyond reprieve from the fans that
Speaker 2: create these narratives. Now, I will say I think that
Speaker 2: Lamar is one of the best players in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He's my probably i'll say second best quarterback. Mahomes probably
Speaker 2: took it back in the playoffs because of just the
Speaker 2: kind of Michael Jordan tom Brady mentality he's displayed here
Speaker 2: during this run and beating three good football teams to
Speaker 2: get to this point. But I think Lamar is still
Speaker 2: right there, and I don't think that being two and
Speaker 2: four in the playoffs changes that. I think it changes
Speaker 2: the one to two conversation for Mahomes and Lamar potentially
Speaker 2: or Josh Allen top three, whatever you might want to
Speaker 2: say about it. But it's gonna be where they talk
Speaker 2: about all off season. And they had this great run they.
Speaker 1: Had, what did they play?
Speaker 2: They played seventeen games too, So nineteen eight through eighteen
Speaker 2: games there God's gift of football, right, And now because
Speaker 2: of one result, they get to go into the off
Speaker 2: season with not fun conversations about the long term viability
Speaker 2: of their operation.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 2: More notes from the game, I think you have to
Speaker 2: I think you must blitz these running quarterbacks and do
Speaker 2: it effectively enough to wipe out their escape routes, and
Speaker 2: you have to deal with defensive backs, guys that can
Speaker 2: break down and make him change directions, make him slow
Speaker 2: his steps when he approaches the lascrimmage as a runner.
Speaker 2: And you know, these great quarterbacks can kind of freeze
Speaker 2: pass rushes, but those free runs, those dB blitzes who
Speaker 2: are used to breaking down space, those are the kind
Speaker 2: of ways you have to impact these quarterbacks. Because all
Speaker 2: year long, I thought vic was was pretty good this year,
Speaker 2: and I think very lowly of his decision making in professionalism.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest about that. I thought he's a pretty
Speaker 1: good coordinator.
Speaker 2: But what I hated this year all year long was
Speaker 2: sitting back against these top tier quarterbacks and just letting
Speaker 2: them chip away at us and shorten the game and
Speaker 2: reduce our offense as chances and make them have to
Speaker 2: be perfect because we're going to allow these nine minute drives.
Speaker 2: And I know, Ghost Adam Gayes, if you're out there, brother,
Speaker 2: love you. I think the narrative some times get a
Speaker 2: little bit much. I know you've been pounding the streets
Speaker 2: about how much the defense balled out down the stretch,
Speaker 2: and they did score wise, absolutely they did. They were
Speaker 2: the ones that gave us chances to win the offense
Speaker 2: at not one hundred percent agree with that. But but
Speaker 2: like in the Buffalo game, Buffalo drove the whole field
Speaker 2: the entire game because you won in the red zone
Speaker 2: and got some fluke turnovers that Alan forced in there
Speaker 2: and made some bad throws and YadA, YadA yad. I
Speaker 2: didn't get a DPI call on second down that first
Speaker 2: drive against Caterko, who should have been a DPI. The
Speaker 2: Bills drove the field in this all game long, and
Speaker 2: all the great quarterbacks did that all year long. Baltimore
Speaker 2: fifty six points, like, hey, where's your DC at?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: How about Week four against Buffalo forty eight points that
Speaker 2: they were That was the best EPA game of team
Speaker 2: posted this year until the Week seventeen game against Baltimore
Speaker 2: Chargers game all game long, you have to find ways.
Speaker 2: You know, Turbert couldn't do anything against the blitz as
Speaker 2: we sent him late in the game.
Speaker 1: What took so long? Do that?
Speaker 2: More? You know, mix up your blitzer and your drops
Speaker 2: in a way that makes it a secret. I think
Speaker 2: you prioritize guys that can disguise those blitzes. More about
Speaker 2: this game. I think hidden yard is so critical in
Speaker 2: any football game, but especially in these late playoff games.
Speaker 2: Special teams obviously, but the way these teams tackle on
Speaker 2: the perimeter against screens, the way they get their initial
Speaker 2: surge in the running game, and the way they collision
Speaker 2: forward opposed letting running backs run through them is such
Speaker 2: a critical difference in the game. Like watch Kyle Hamilton
Speaker 2: flow downhill on the perimeter and just handle so much.
Speaker 2: But then like the way that Roe, Kwan and Queen
Speaker 2: collision those backs at at the point of attack, same
Speaker 2: with Bolton and Tranquill driving those ball carriers backwards. The
Speaker 2: difference sometimes between second and eight and second and five,
Speaker 2: And that's often the difference in a too high shel
Speaker 2: versus single high, which gives you more opportunities in the
Speaker 2: passing game. So it's not necessarily the yards, it's what
Speaker 2: the down distance gives you on the upcoming play. I thought,
Speaker 2: all these defenses this weekend, besides Detroit, do a really
Speaker 2: good job of making you earn more of those.
Speaker 1: Tough yards inside.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't so much that way on the NFC
Speaker 2: side of the coin here in terms of the corequarterbacks,
Speaker 2: but the way that teams went after Lamar and Mahomes
Speaker 2: like the way that McDuffie for the Chiefs blitz is
Speaker 2: the edge. It reminds me of that Cater blitz versus
Speaker 2: the Chargers on Turnburt back on Opening Day. But just
Speaker 2: finding ways to get those guys downhill and freeze the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in their tracks opposed to them freezing your pass
Speaker 2: rush with those blitz heavy plans.
Speaker 1: Those are my big takeaways.
Speaker 2: A game that looked like it was going to be
Speaker 2: superstar quarterbacks trading blows turned into disguising coverage.
Speaker 1: Well time blitz is winning hidden yardage. And then how
Speaker 1: about this final point.
Speaker 2: Man, The Dynasty teams just don't make the mistakes, and
Speaker 2: they capitalize on your mistakes when you do make them,
Speaker 2: like Lamar pressing on the interception.
Speaker 1: That's what Tua did this year, right, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: The Ravens get that taunting penalty where I don't think
Speaker 2: they had any intention of calling taunting there on Zay Flowers,
Speaker 2: but I mean like you literally taunted him three times,
Speaker 2: you put hands on him and pin him to the ground,
Speaker 2: you spun the ball on top of them, and it
Speaker 2: still looked like maybe they wouldn't flag you.
Speaker 1: But then you stand over the top of him and
Speaker 1: flex on him, like did the Chiefs do that?
Speaker 2: No? Do the Patriots under Brady ever do that? Then
Speaker 2: he reaches the goal line, which is you know, top
Speaker 2: pretty uniform across the league, and you reached the ball
Speaker 2: out and fumble it into the end zone and it
Speaker 2: costs you the game.
Speaker 1: Like championship teams don't do that.
Speaker 2: Speaking of capitalizing all mistakes, let's go ahead and do
Speaker 2: a quick nine Ers and Lions recap. The Lions had
Speaker 2: two critical drops, including a fourth down that could have
Speaker 2: given them a first down in the red zone with
Speaker 2: seven and a half minutes to play, down by three.
Speaker 1: Good teams don't do that.
Speaker 2: Then the next drive another drop, and that was after
Speaker 2: they had a bad bounce that costs a touchdown on
Speaker 2: the Iuke long play. Speaking of luck, then the Gibbs
Speaker 2: fumble just a total melt down at the end where
Speaker 2: the better team didn't have those mistakes, the worst team
Speaker 2: did right because early the Lions showed you what their
Speaker 2: physicality is all about. They protected Golf so well early
Speaker 2: and he was dicing it up, and then they ran
Speaker 2: for big chunks, just moving them off the line of
Speaker 2: scrimmage late in that game, but then the mistakes got
Speaker 2: there and it turned the game around ultimately. I think
Speaker 2: my biggest takeaway is it's tough for us because the
Speaker 2: balance of the conferences right now, to me is very disproportionate.
Speaker 2: I think the best three best quarterbacks, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: in AFC. I think a lot of the best coaches
Speaker 2: are in the AFC. And then you even have beyond that.
Speaker 2: I mean, like to a Burrow Strout, Lawrence Herbert, my god,
Speaker 2: to go to the Super Bowl in the AFC, you
Speaker 2: probably have to go through quite a gauntlet of like
Speaker 2: all good quarterback play. And look at Mahomes carefully navigating
Speaker 2: the Dolphins into Allen and the Bills, Lamar and the Ravens.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't his three hundred and fifty yard games
Speaker 2: with four touchdowns. It was understanding game situation, managing it,
Speaker 2: creating it when you had to, and just committing to
Speaker 2: a game plan.
Speaker 1: Chiefs Niners, pretty good matchup, that's down the road.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take our first break right there
Speaker 2: and via the tight end position here for your Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, before the Senior Bowl preview all that.
Speaker 2: Next Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to
Speaker 2: you by Auto Nation position group number four on the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three review of the Dolphins of Ross and
Speaker 2: we go to the tight end group here, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to put our shortest group on this long conversation
Speaker 2: about the championship games and Senior Bowl preview as we
Speaker 2: get into that here very shortly. I'm very excited about
Speaker 2: the Shar's class and having high draft picks once again.
Speaker 2: We'll be talking to plenty of people that know about
Speaker 2: the draft, including I think myself a little bit as
Speaker 2: we go on the next couple of months. Let's go ahead, though,
Speaker 2: and look back at a tight end position group here.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a quick segment. I think we
Speaker 2: start here a bit of detailing the makeup of the
Speaker 2: room in twenty twenty three and what some of us
Speaker 2: maybe thought it might look like in terms of a
Speaker 2: great tight end draft class right and attacking that position
Speaker 2: with the mindset of it being a critical point of
Speaker 2: your offensive attack.
Speaker 1: And it just was not that.
Speaker 2: We know this offense is built around two star receivers,
Speaker 2: and I think that where things got off this year
Speaker 2: was the fact that those two receivers were not available
Speaker 2: all year like they were a season to go, and
Speaker 2: not even just playing in the games, but practice time,
Speaker 2: and I think it just kind of ultimately impacted your
Speaker 2: timing in the offense, and ultimately down the stretch was
Speaker 2: the reason you lost some of those big games because
Speaker 2: your inability to find other separators against Buffalo. Man, there
Speaker 2: were so many chances against Buffalo to just win a
Speaker 2: matchup and convert a first down on top of the
Speaker 2: drop passes we had in the game, on top of
Speaker 2: the pick at the end of the game with a
Speaker 2: poor route and a poor decision from the quarterback. Like
Speaker 2: I think if they just would have had one of
Speaker 2: these guys to talk about here in the draft preview,
Speaker 2: they would have that game maybe could have been different.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're hosting Buffalo instead of going to forty degrees
Speaker 2: below Kansas City, which, by the way, the Ravens, that
Speaker 2: great offense, scored ten points at home against that defense
Speaker 2: in a fifty degrees cooler or warmer temperatures. Just saying
Speaker 2: tight end room though, wasn't game breaking by any stretch.
Speaker 2: Probably the least imaginative past receiving tight end room in
Speaker 2: the national Football League, and I think that you have
Speaker 2: to view that room in a way that's different than
Speaker 2: what maybe a casual football fan will because there are
Speaker 2: just roles from this group that more closely resemble what
Speaker 2: atlec Ingold does compared to I don't know, Michael Egnu right,
Speaker 2: probably a bad example. How about Julius Thomas is more
Speaker 2: like it, not going to block. Never saw a block
Speaker 2: he liked, but we'll catch the football. Here's a good example.
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and thirty nine snaps for Durham smythe this year,
Speaker 2: only four hundred and fifty of those out into the pattern.
Speaker 2: The first comparable name that's more Michael Egnew than Durham
Speaker 2: Smith that came to my mind was Sam Laporta, the
Speaker 2: very good rookie draft pick of the Lions who was
Speaker 2: not at all a blocking specialist at Iowa. Even though
Speaker 2: he plays for one of the best run teams in
Speaker 2: college football, one of the best run teams in the
Speaker 2: National Football League, he was a game breaking pass catcher.
Speaker 2: He played over one thousand snaps this year, and six
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty of those were out into the pattern,
Speaker 2: so a much bigger chunk of his workload as a
Speaker 2: pass catcher compared to Miami's tight end one. But man,
Speaker 2: watching those games this weekend, I think the ability to
Speaker 2: have what we have here, but also someone that can
Speaker 2: threaten the seam and get vertical and make the explosive play.
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about Jake Ferguson for the Cowboys because
Speaker 2: watching the tape and then watching the game, he just
Speaker 2: was so critical in that area for them. Like the
Speaker 2: ability to go thirteen personnel and assert your will in
Speaker 2: a downhill running game, but also get explosives from one
Speaker 2: of those guys if especially you go attached why out
Speaker 2: of eleven personnel? That type of versatility can make you
Speaker 2: so difficult to defend, especially this time of year when
Speaker 2: I think, my big guess, you know, learning point this
Speaker 2: postseason and thinking about previous postseasons is you gotta be versatile, man.
Speaker 2: You have to have multiple ways to win football games.
Speaker 2: Let's go part by part here. Number eighty one Durham
Speaker 2: Smith let us and snaps thirty five catches three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty six yards, did not score. I thought, by
Speaker 2: far Durham Smith's best year as a pro. I was
Speaker 2: very hard on Durham in twenty twenty one. I thought
Speaker 2: it was a bad fit. I thought the routes were bad,
Speaker 2: the inclusion of his game as a Pats receiver was
Speaker 2: not a fit for him. I think they got better
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and it got even better this year.
Speaker 2: I think his ability to turn and pin some really
Speaker 2: tough defensive end outside linebacker types on the perimeter in
Speaker 2: the running game is a critical part of what we
Speaker 2: do to catch and climb with Austin or Tron off
Speaker 2: the tackle position in the running game, He's always in
Speaker 2: so such just controlled balance as he approaches as a blocker,
Speaker 2: keeps his base solid and underneath him as he explodes
Speaker 2: through his punch with steps into that punch, which opens
Speaker 2: up the explosiveness and allows you to control the rep
Speaker 2: as a blocker, and we knew about that from his
Speaker 2: Notre Dame tape six years ago. But also despite limited
Speaker 2: opportunities as a pass catcher in college, he shows you
Speaker 2: some of the playmaking skills that he has as a receiver,
Speaker 2: and I thought we saw a little bit of that year.
Speaker 2: I liked the way he catches those little out routes
Speaker 2: and then pivots from route runner into ballcarrier and just
Speaker 2: gets north and south because if he gets hit at
Speaker 2: the seven yard, I should say, you know, three yards
Speaker 2: from the sticks. He typically gets chopped down in a
Speaker 2: way that he falls forward and achieves that first down
Speaker 2: and gives you extra yards that four lean. Now, obviously, again,
Speaker 2: I think your off season plan if you want to
Speaker 2: improve this group is to get probably more explosive from
Speaker 2: the guy that plays seventy plus percent of your snaps.
Speaker 2: But I think this is a very high end tight
Speaker 2: end two, low end tight end one, and that's a
Speaker 2: good position to be for DERMISMI theory. But beyond that
Speaker 2: Julian Hill eight number eighty nine six for forty eighth
Speaker 2: this year, I think there's something there, but it has
Speaker 2: to show up this year in order for me to
Speaker 2: be cool with Like the direction of the room, I
Speaker 2: still think you had one. But anyway, I was so
Speaker 2: impressed by his work as that short motion kick out
Speaker 2: the backside and in split flow or just lead it
Speaker 2: all the way around the corner and take that play
Speaker 2: side outside zone play with you as a lead blocker,
Speaker 2: and for a rookie playing that position in this offense
Speaker 2: that has so much to undertake and at a position
Speaker 2: that I think is the hardest to learn offensively besides quarterback,
Speaker 2: because you have to learn routes, run game, and pass
Speaker 2: pro No other position calls for all three of those
Speaker 2: besides quarterback. So for Julian that physicality man, like I
Speaker 2: mentioned the ability to go thirteen personnel, He's perfect in
Speaker 2: those settings. But I think there's meat on the bone
Speaker 2: for him to evolve as a pass catcher. And if
Speaker 2: he does that, if we get those exceptional blocking ancillary pieces,
Speaker 2: you're alec Ingold, You're Derham, Smite, Julian Hill, you know
Speaker 2: whoever it might be. As it were, they become real
Speaker 2: passing threats.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That can add a whole other wrinkle and layer to
Speaker 2: this offense. But for Julian, great grip, strength, more great balance,
Speaker 2: Like Durham, when he gets into those blocks and into
Speaker 2: his man, he can usually strike and control the rep
Speaker 2: pretty well. Big fan of his game, He's kind of
Speaker 2: one of those key parts, right Like, this is a
Speaker 2: team that needs some young guys to take the next
Speaker 2: step because we need production on cheap contracts. Eric Azukama,
Speaker 2: Cater Koho get back to Eurokie season skills, Keon Smith,
Speaker 2: Chris Brooks. Getting contributions from these guys would be so
Speaker 2: critical Tyler Kroft number eighty two, didn't catch any footballs
Speaker 2: and active most of the year. Just I mean he's
Speaker 2: a death piece, right, Probably going to try to find
Speaker 2: better options there at number three on the team this year,
Speaker 2: so futures contract Tanner Connor still think he has some
Speaker 2: skills to play with and we'll see what his career
Speaker 2: looks like down the road.
Speaker 1: Just one last comment.
Speaker 2: I mentioned this on a podcast a while back after
Speaker 2: the Cowboys game that Greg Olsen did talked about his
Speaker 2: conversation with Mike McDaniel in their production meetings, and he said,
Speaker 2: I love the offense, but get the tight end more
Speaker 2: involved than McDaniel jokingly sad to him that's coming in
Speaker 2: year three. So I think that there is a potential
Speaker 2: for a year three evolution for this offense to look
Speaker 2: for more explosiveness, especially from this group. Either way, I
Speaker 2: think it has to happen with someone that can align
Speaker 2: inside to give you that run game pass game flexibility.
Speaker 2: So either a big slot receiver tight end Noah Fanse
Speaker 2: a guy like in free agency. I'm still really bummed
Speaker 2: about Elijah Higgins leaving, but finding someone more equipped to
Speaker 2: run that position I think is a area of focus
Speaker 2: for me this off season. Speaking of the off season,
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl coming up this week, let's go ahead and
Speaker 2: take our last.
Speaker 1: Break right there.
Speaker 2: Come back on the other side in preview the week
Speaker 2: of practices. I have a few prospect notes here. That's
Speaker 2: next Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to
Speaker 2: you by Auto Nation.
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week. I still have not gone to a
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in my life.
Speaker 2: I thought I'd be going to all of them as
Speaker 2: a member of the Miami Dolphins, but the first one
Speaker 2: was canceled because of COVID, the second one we didn't
Speaker 2: go because our coach sued the team, and then I
Speaker 2: just haven't gone the last couple of years because no
Speaker 2: draft picks. And now it's like I can just cover
Speaker 2: it from home. So that's what we're gonna do here.
Speaker 2: But I want to go ahead and put these notes
Speaker 2: on here. I kind of listed some things we have
Speaker 2: to look for this off season. Potentially your long term
Speaker 2: left tackle, potentially Christian Wilkins replacement. Right, those are two
Speaker 2: big things that hang overhead that you're not quite sure
Speaker 2: about yet. I think we definitely need in their eligible
Speaker 2: slot tight end type. I think we definitely need in
Speaker 2: the off ball linebacker. I think we definitely need interior
Speaker 2: offensive line help and safety depth as well. So that's
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna go and look at this and try
Speaker 2: to fit guys into those positions, and really just guys
Speaker 2: that I've watched this year is my key jumping off point.
Speaker 2: We start where else besides fight for Washington State. Cooks
Speaker 2: have three guys in this game this year. First, Shaw
Speaker 2: Smith Wighe a very very very modern day slot cornerback
Speaker 2: whose game I freaking love think Trent McDuffie, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna call him a first team All Pro, but the
Speaker 2: muscle Hamster, the Tasmanian double type. He played most of
Speaker 2: his time on the perimeter, but that's because he was
Speaker 2: one of our best players. I think his ability to
Speaker 2: recognize things and anticipate concepts, like I thought Kyle Hamilton's
Speaker 2: football acumen leads to anticipation, which leads to so many plays.
Speaker 1: That's this guy.
Speaker 2: He's He's phenomenal coverage IQ, competitive as hell, loves to
Speaker 2: come up and support the run, blitz the quarterback. We
Speaker 2: played a ton of coverages at Washington State and he
Speaker 2: was capable of all of them. I think he's got
Speaker 2: more inside flexibility than he played in college. I love
Speaker 2: him as an early Day three slow option Shaw Smith
Speaker 2: Waye from Washington State. Another dB from Washington State is
Speaker 2: Jaden Hicks. I think Brandon Jones's play style, but he
Speaker 2: can actually cover. He flies all over the field. He hits,
Speaker 2: he hits, he hits some more like Smith Wade. He's
Speaker 2: smart as hell. I thought he'd come back and play
Speaker 2: one more year and shoot up the draft boards. But
Speaker 2: feisty at the catch point. He can match up with
Speaker 2: tight ends. He can blitz led all pack twelve safeties
Speaker 2: and QB pressures, and he's a tone setting hitter. Keep
Speaker 2: an eye on those two guys this week. Also on
Speaker 2: a local guy, Cameron Kitchens from Miami, another safety with
Speaker 2: insane range and speed and ball skills to make him
Speaker 2: a real ball hawking threat on the back end. And
Speaker 2: if you want versatility, like Javon Holland plays all over
Speaker 2: the formation right. If he's paired with a player like
Speaker 2: Cameron Kinchins, you can essentially rotate your strong safety and
Speaker 2: free snapey on a snap by snap basis and keep
Speaker 2: defenses really guessing, kind of like Hoyer, Poyer and High
Speaker 2: did in Buffalo for so many years. With all three
Speaker 2: of these dbs I mentioned the way they compete at
Speaker 2: the top of the route is how I want to
Speaker 2: watch him perform this week. Play to their level and
Speaker 2: just be on top what the receivers trying to do.
Speaker 2: Watch those one on one reps and get a good
Speaker 2: feel for that. Another one's Cole Bishop from Utah hitter, striker, blitzer,
Speaker 2: slot safety, strong safety, type of player, fantastic in coverage
Speaker 2: with those skills down in the mess to make him,
Speaker 2: from my money, an easy Day two pick, possibly a
Speaker 2: second round if you don't go that way, just watch
Speaker 2: him bowie guys this week. He's ad Utah ute obviously
Speaker 2: a lot more than that, But those the DB's I'm
Speaker 2: watching so far up front. The first thing that pops
Speaker 2: off the list to me is a first round pick.
Speaker 2: If you want to see Jalen Phillips part two two
Speaker 2: laya two lat tow from UCLA.
Speaker 1: I butchered that.
Speaker 2: If he's there at twenty one, I think he becomes
Speaker 2: a real option. So far out from actually projecting who
Speaker 2: goes where, but like, just watch him play.
Speaker 1: He is dominant.
Speaker 2: He's a top fifteen pick for money, burst and strength,
Speaker 2: combo like seriously, he's a JP clone as a prospect.
Speaker 2: The one knock he had same as JP medical history,
Speaker 2: but La two Latu from UCLA keeping on him inside
Speaker 2: Tovandrea Sweat from Texas. Oh man, if we lose Christian Wilkins,
Speaker 2: I got I like this guy. He was the best
Speaker 2: stuffing defensive tackle in college football. He's six foot four,
Speaker 2: three sixty two, so he's not built like Christian, but
Speaker 2: I promise you if you watch these practices, you'll know
Speaker 2: who he is.
Speaker 1: When we're done.
Speaker 2: He's going to obliterate the week when you just cannot
Speaker 2: block him one on one. There's a play in the
Speaker 2: College Football Playoff where he drops U dub running back
Speaker 2: Dylan Johnson, who goes two twenty and powerful as hell,
Speaker 2: just one arm, rag doll's um to the ground, insane power,
Speaker 2: quick first step. He's built like Michael Pearson Baltimore, but
Speaker 2: has a Chris Jones first step. If you want him,
Speaker 2: it's got to be round one. I'm just gonna say
Speaker 2: his name because I've seen so much of him. But
Speaker 2: Brendon Jackson from also from Washington State. A super productive edge,
Speaker 2: great long arm, bowl rush combination that he's crafted over
Speaker 2: a long college career. He can play hand the dirt
Speaker 2: on even fronts, can stand up and drop back and
Speaker 2: coverage and odd fronts. I think there's some more seasoning
Speaker 2: that has to happen. That's why he becomes a Day
Speaker 2: three option. But watch him win with strength and repertoire
Speaker 2: of moves all week long. If you want a linebacker
Speaker 2: this week, look at Tommy Eikenberg. That's Liam's brother from
Speaker 2: Ohio State football player over workouts, right, that's like a
Speaker 2: Zach Thomas type, excited to see where he matches up
Speaker 2: in in terms of the elite athletes this week. I
Speaker 2: don't think that he's close to that, but he's gonna
Speaker 2: have to win with his anticipation, his intelligence. He just
Speaker 2: plays so far ahead of his contemporaries in that regard.
Speaker 2: Hell of a blitzer in a football jeans guy, Ohio
Speaker 2: State and the Eikenbergs are all football players. Perhaps my
Speaker 2: favorite player in the entire game is another linebacker here,
Speaker 2: NC State's Peyton Wilson. I'm not calling him like the player,
Speaker 2: but he reminds me of Brian urlacker Man huge. He's
Speaker 2: six foot four, so much range to interrupt passing lanes.
Speaker 2: And the speed and quicks to make it happen too
Speaker 2: like it reminds me of Fred Warner Kind if he's
Speaker 2: a round one pick if you remove the medical So
Speaker 2: we'll see where he winds up going. But watch him
Speaker 2: this week because he's gonna stand out a big time.
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson NC State probably a Round one, maybe a
Speaker 2: round two. But on the offensive line, if you want
Speaker 2: the best center in the nation, he's gonna be in
Speaker 2: this game. Depending on which one you want, Oregon's Jackson
Speaker 2: Powers Johnson and West Virginia's Zach Fraser.
Speaker 1: Fraser is an absolute animal. Four thousand plus snaps.
Speaker 2: Just one of those guys that you know he's gonna
Speaker 2: be good, that you know he's gonna be a great player.
Speaker 2: He actually got off the field after breaking his leg
Speaker 2: in their final game to save a time out on
Speaker 2: the final drive of that game. He's got great range
Speaker 2: and strength of the position. I'm just so confident he'll
Speaker 2: be a great pro. And same with Powers Johnson. Man
Speaker 2: he is that good, but even more physically gifted. I've
Speaker 2: got a ton of work on the offensive line to
Speaker 2: do with those two guys stand out to me at quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch Michael Pennix, the best pure passer
Speaker 2: to come out since Tua and then Joe Milton is
Speaker 2: like a poor man's Josh Allen or Anthony Richardson, Like
Speaker 2: he's got all the physical traits, but he's all over
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch him at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: I don't have a running back for you have more
Speaker 2: work to do there, but I have a tight end
Speaker 2: two receivers, and these guys fit that mole I talked
Speaker 2: about earlier. Brevin spanned four from Minnesota is six foot seven,
Speaker 2: two sixty five. Could stand a bulk up, but man,
Speaker 2: he can fly. He caught a touchdown for the ghost
Speaker 2: and a crossing Robert hits the sideline, hurdles a guy
Speaker 2: and then runs away from a linebacker and safety. Freaky skills.
Speaker 2: Remember my Darnell Washington obsession last year. This is the
Speaker 2: next guy of that ILK because there's more ability as
Speaker 2: a pass catcher. But he can align in line and
Speaker 2: I've seen him in that up back a gap position.
Speaker 2: You'll see teams sneak the running back up in two
Speaker 2: for Boitz pickup.
Speaker 1: He does it all.
Speaker 2: Fun prospect from Minnesota, brebans Span Ford a receiver. I
Speaker 2: got two for you here, Lad Mcconklely, Lad McConkie from Georgia.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you two different players here. A receiver completely.
Speaker 2: He's a quick, immediate separator, Danny am Mondola type a
Speaker 2: technician that can make every route like the exact same
Speaker 2: or different. But he also can align a line outside,
Speaker 2: which is something that those Patriots, the Wes Welkers and
Speaker 2: the Danny Mindols didn't do so much of. He can
Speaker 2: attack your leverage, sell you a bill of goods, runs
Speaker 2: after the catch, plays anywhere, and returns kicks like Laddi
Speaker 2: McConkie's game quite a lot. Xavier Laguette from South Carolina
Speaker 2: plays huge. He's a high point master, loves dropping the
Speaker 2: shoulder as a ball carrier after the fact.
Speaker 1: He shows his speed with four to three burst to boot.
Speaker 2: In fact, he clocked twenty two point three miles per
Speaker 2: hour and a game this year does it all. Man
Speaker 2: six foot three two twenty seven needs a lot more
Speaker 2: time in an NFL route tree, which makes him a
Speaker 2: long developmental prospect for US in my opinion, probably a
Speaker 2: probably a three route prospect, maybe late day two, early
Speaker 2: day three, which is actually pretty common for a lot
Speaker 2: of these schools that don't have really dynamic route trees.
Speaker 1: But Xavier LA get from South Carolina. Keeping on that name.
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