Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan,
Speaker 1: warmly joined today by a couple of guys who are
Speaker 1: not dressed as they usually are. It's Andrew Erickson.
Speaker 2: As I mean, I'm the Dolphins head coach. Give the ball,
Speaker 2: aham and got to a back. Let's go. Let's go Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Remember we do have an audio only audience, so I
Speaker 1: want you need to actually say it out loud and
Speaker 1: not just trust people to know your costume, which does
Speaker 1: look great by the way. Ericson he is rocking the
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel offense here, you know for Halloween fits. Who
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 3: I'm dan Quinn, coming off a big game. Didn't play
Speaker 3: our greatest game against the Bears last week, but you know,
Speaker 3: pulled off a pretty big play at the end. So
Speaker 3: floating on clouds right now.
Speaker 2: Favorite to win the Coach of the Year, dan Quinn.
Speaker 2: Congrats to you.
Speaker 3: Really ahead of Matt Lafleur, you are in first place.
Speaker 3: Play calling wizardry that he has overseen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe dan Quinn's coaching extends as far as he's
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have Jade Daniels be an MVP candidate
Speaker 1: as a rookie he's been he's been good. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't actually don't want to like disparage Dan Quinny.
Speaker 1: He's been good, but yeah, I think well Floor has
Speaker 1: been more impressive. I would agree.
Speaker 3: Quinn's doing a terrific job, though. I mean, the Commanders
Speaker 3: are one of the funnest stories in the NFL this season.
Speaker 3: Without question.
Speaker 1: It is Halloween, of course, that's why we were addressed up.
Speaker 1: I am. I'm rocking the closest thing I have to
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, I don't really own any costumes or anything,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a hoodie that has that coloring,
Speaker 1: and I've got the hair and facial hair for it,
Speaker 1: so I figured that's what i'd go with. I did
Speaker 1: not get the headset rocking like you two did, so
Speaker 1: you guys definitely both look more like coaches than I do,
Speaker 1: and and I respect it.
Speaker 2: Well because you didn't show up with the headset. You
Speaker 2: got to give us the coach speak. What are you expecting,
Speaker 2: Kyrien Williams are going to be split a play Quorum's
Speaker 2: pooka gonna play snapcount? What do you think? What do
Speaker 2: you think, Sean ovay, What's what's going on? Coach? You know.
Speaker 1: You know, guys, I just I just got I'm not
Speaker 1: good at impressions. I can't do it. I'm also kind
Speaker 1: of sick, you know, guys. You know, I just I
Speaker 1: really think cam Akers is gonna be huge this year.
Speaker 1: I want to trade back for him and give him
Speaker 1: the workout here. I fully recognize I have no ability
Speaker 1: to impersonate anybody, So that's not me thinking I have
Speaker 1: a good Sean McVay impression, just that I've been told
Speaker 1: on occasion that I kind of look like and when
Speaker 1: I wear the sweatshirt. So that's that's what I'm going with.
Speaker 1: That's my best, uh my best impression. Do you do
Speaker 1: you have a Mike McDaniel for us Erickson?
Speaker 2: I do not have a Mike McDaniel. It's just, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what does he I mean, he's really smart.
Speaker 2: He's a smart guy, smarter than I am, So I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I guess my impersonation.
Speaker 1: Would be could deny you could deny vaping on the
Speaker 1: sideline during a game?
Speaker 3: Do that?
Speaker 2: I could talk about how I spent two weeks in
Speaker 2: the bunker devising ways to get John who Smith the ball.
Speaker 2: Over two weeks fresh period. So that's about it. Though
Speaker 2: for my impersonations of mister Mike Daniel, we can't really
Speaker 2: have continue impression owned by the bills, including this week.
Speaker 1: Most likely we cannot really have fits to an impression
Speaker 1: of dan Quinn because I would have to bleep out
Speaker 1: every other word.
Speaker 3: Dude, is so.
Speaker 2: Throwing your headset all over the place like after the Hailmars.
Speaker 1: We're having some fun. Like I said, we are recorded
Speaker 1: obviously Thursday morning, so it is Halloween. Happy Halloween to
Speaker 1: everybody who is listening and watching, and hopefully this weekend
Speaker 1: Slated Games is full of treats more than tricks for
Speaker 1: your fantasy teams. This is our start sit show. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go through our favorite starts of the week, sits
Speaker 1: waiver ads. Are we starting or sending them some touchdown
Speaker 1: calls at the end of the show. It's our weekly
Speaker 1: Thursday show and a quick reminder for everyone. All of
Speaker 1: our weekly consensus rankings and tiers can be found at
Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com slash rankings. One last Halloween related thing,
Speaker 1: guys before we jump in, We've been doing this kind
Speaker 1: of internal at work candy bracket over the last couple
Speaker 1: of days kind of put together by HR and some
Speaker 1: of our coworkers. We're i think, going into the championship today,
Speaker 1: who is your guys as one of one of candy
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say, I don't know if you're gonna
Speaker 1: pick this, but I'm gonna take Recy's peanut butter cups
Speaker 1: out of the equation because I think that is most
Speaker 1: people's one to one, and so just for the sake
Speaker 1: of mixing it up, if that was gonna be your
Speaker 1: one one, let's pick something else. Ericson what do you got?
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't put me on the spot like
Speaker 2: that when you take away the answer that I want
Speaker 2: to give. I know that's I try to I'm in
Speaker 2: the I'm in the I like to be right, not
Speaker 2: not trying to diversify. So I'm sorry, I'm just going
Speaker 2: with Reese's peanut butter cup. I can give you my
Speaker 2: last ranking, Dot completely ignored. I can give you the
Speaker 2: zero zero, which is Dots the worst candy ever.
Speaker 1: You know, you know who tweeted this morning what his
Speaker 1: one on one one is is d Bro and he's
Speaker 1: a candy corn. So I thought that's what you were
Speaker 1: going to say for your zero zero I think, I think.
Speaker 1: I think candy corn is gets a bad rap sometimes,
Speaker 1: but it's closer to Round fourteen than it is to
Speaker 1: a round one pick in my opinion fits. What about you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I like candy corn, but
Speaker 3: it is not the one on one, so I'll go
Speaker 3: with KitKat. I mean, recess would certainly be in the conversation,
Speaker 3: Twix would be in the conversation, and one that got
Speaker 3: short shrift and got blown out in the first round
Speaker 3: in our competition. I love whopper. I'm a big whoppers guy,
Speaker 3: and whoppers stoppers are. Whoppers are devisive. My wife is like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing with She thinks whoppers are just horrible.
Speaker 2: The kids kept bringing all the whoppers. You're like, oh, baby,
Speaker 2: come to me, come to daddy, let's go.
Speaker 3: And the great thing is my kids did not like whoppers,
Speaker 3: so when they were of trick or treating age, I
Speaker 3: was coming in hoovering up all the whoppers. Baby.
Speaker 1: I quite like candy, but I'm pretty specifically candy. I like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't do sour candies. I don't really
Speaker 1: love fruit candies that much either, Like I don't hate
Speaker 1: skittles or like Jolly Ranchers or whatever, but like they're
Speaker 1: not my favorite, and I also don't like caramel, so Snickers,
Speaker 1: Milky Way twigs like those are all pretty much ruled
Speaker 1: out for me. My Tier one is Recee's peanut butter
Speaker 1: cups and kit kats, so so those are both mentioned.
Speaker 1: I'll name the top of my Tier two, which is Eminem's,
Speaker 1: and I'll take any variety peanut m and ms, the
Speaker 1: like Crispy Eminem's, the peanut butter Eminem's, regular Mini em
Speaker 1: and M's are great. They're just classic, and I don't
Speaker 1: think they get enough enough hype for Like when I
Speaker 1: was sugar treating Eminem's, that was a top three candy
Speaker 1: you could put in my bag. I was really thrilled
Speaker 1: if I got any kind of Eminems. So they just
Speaker 1: got eliminated actually in our in our bracket. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how that wraps up. But yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: do candy talk on Halloween, right, so.
Speaker 2: Let's jump in.
Speaker 1: Speaking of adding candy to you to your bucket, how
Speaker 1: about some adding players to your off the waiver wire.
Speaker 1: That was a rough transition, but we're gonna power through.
Speaker 1: Are we starting or sitting these waiver Wire ads in
Speaker 1: week nine, there weren't a ton of options. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like there were really any good running back options
Speaker 1: to even pick this week. Everybody was either too largely
Speaker 1: rostered already or just somebody that like is really more
Speaker 1: of a backup, like Stash guy. So I went away
Speaker 1: from any running backs in this section. We're gonna start
Speaker 1: with a couple of receivers here. Cedric Tillman the clear
Speaker 1: top option here. He is the recent's peanut butter cup
Speaker 1: of the Week nine waiver Wire in my opinion, fits
Speaker 1: you do the waiver Wire show. What was your approach
Speaker 1: to adding Tilman this week? I'm really excited Adam everywhere?
Speaker 1: And are you starting him in week nine?
Speaker 3: Oh you Mede my flag plant player from last week
Speaker 3: who had ninety nine yards and two touchdowns. Yes, so
Speaker 3: I am starting Cedric Tillman in a couple of leagues
Speaker 3: this week. I did pick him up. Spent pretty aggressively
Speaker 3: with fab in a couple of leagues. So for this week,
Speaker 3: the good news is that you know, things have gone
Speaker 3: swimmingly for Tillman lately the last couple of weeks and
Speaker 3: last week in jamis Winston's first start of the season
Speaker 3: seven ninety nine and two. Great stat line, but the
Speaker 3: matchup against the Chargers isn't that great. The Chargers of
Speaker 3: a lot of the third fewest fantasy points and third
Speaker 3: fewest receiving yards to wide receivers, and the Chargers are
Speaker 3: just really good at uglying up games. I'm a little
Speaker 3: worried about that, but we do know that Jameis Winston
Speaker 3: is going to throw aggressively downfield. The only thing is
Speaker 3: that Tillman's got to share targets with Elijah Moore, Jerry Judy,
Speaker 3: those guys are getting targets to and of course David Nijoku,
Speaker 3: who is at least the equal of the wide receivers
Speaker 3: in offense. So I've got Tillman wide receiver thirty two.
Speaker 3: I think in most normal sized leagues he has a
Speaker 3: wide receiver three or flex play.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like a prisoner of the
Speaker 1: moment and just overreacting to you know, he had the
Speaker 1: best game of the bunch. He didn't even lead the
Speaker 1: team in targets in this last week. But I was
Speaker 1: in the stadium, I was in Cleveland for that game.
Speaker 1: Disappointing finished for me, I thought Tillman looked like the
Speaker 1: most legitimate star receiver of the bunch, Like in just
Speaker 1: just the eye test alone, I felt like he was
Speaker 1: the guy that looked most like in Alpha, he was
Speaker 1: the guy that looked most like I could see two
Speaker 1: months from now sitting here and calling him a league winner.
Speaker 1: I was like, so thoroughly impressed by Tilman, by his
Speaker 1: connection with Winston. Now was a banged up Ravens secondary.
Speaker 1: I kind of expected the Browns to throw, you know,
Speaker 1: all over the Ravens defense in this one, and they did.
Speaker 1: But I just thought Tilman looked looked like genuinely like
Speaker 1: a star.
Speaker 3: Honestly, He's He's physically imposing, for sure.
Speaker 1: Very much.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I've seen some people kind of throwout the cop to
Speaker 1: like maybe you know the next Nico Columns as like
Speaker 1: this kind of physical specimen who takes a couple of
Speaker 1: years and then gets the right quarter back. Except in
Speaker 1: this case, direct quarterback isn't Scrout, it's Jamis Winston, which
Speaker 1: is fun ericson what are you doing with Tilman this week?
Speaker 2: I think he's a wide receiver three. I have him
Speaker 2: ranked pretty close to her. FITS has him at wide
Speaker 2: receiver thirty five. I think You just need to be
Speaker 2: aware that last week is probably not going to be
Speaker 2: a repeat performance this week. Last week it was kind
Speaker 2: of the perfect storm forty five pass attempts for Jamis
Speaker 2: Winston against a banged up secondary that they knew they
Speaker 2: had to throw the ball on. This Chargers game screams
Speaker 2: much more of a kind of a grosser game. Playing
Speaker 2: against the Chargers team that likes to run the football.
Speaker 2: You could see the Browns, I mean, lean on the
Speaker 2: run a little bit more. Look at the Chargers defense.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit weaker against the run.
Speaker 2: Then in the past, they don't really stack the box,
Speaker 2: they don't really try to stop the run. So I
Speaker 2: think maybe could see a little bit more Nick Chubb.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that he's the still think he's
Speaker 2: a wide receiver three because he's good, and I think
Speaker 2: that you're gonna see probably a more dramatic fall off
Speaker 2: with the Jerry Judy's the Elijah Moores of the world.
Speaker 2: And I still think that in joke, was probably still
Speaker 2: like the number one overall in terms of targets in
Speaker 2: this offense. But I think he's an okay start. I
Speaker 2: just wouldn't expect him to get you know, one hundred
Speaker 2: receiving yards and two touchdowns again.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that last point? Fits that in
Speaker 1: Djoku's number one ahead of these receivers.
Speaker 3: I kind of do. Yeah. I mean, I like Nijoku
Speaker 3: is a must start absolutely now. And it's it's funny
Speaker 3: because he was borderline unusable earlier in the season, just
Speaker 3: like last.
Speaker 2: Year, you couldn't use it. They got round Watson and
Speaker 2: then he just went on a tear. Just do it again.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess like I would put Tilman as like
Speaker 1: he's a guy if I have him on my roster.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking for a place a way to start
Speaker 1: him this week, but I am managing expectations like you're
Speaker 1: certainly not expecting almost one hundred yards and two touchdowns again.
Speaker 1: Another receiver, a young guy, rookie Kean Coleman fits is
Speaker 1: somebody we talked a lot about on the Dynasty Show
Speaker 1: in the off season. Now seeing him kind of started
Speaker 1: to put it together a bit more. In this Bill's offense,
Speaker 1: they did Adamari Cooper, so it's not like he's the
Speaker 1: only target option any more. Khalushi Kirov obviously playing well too,
Speaker 1: but again rookie receivers in the second half of the
Speaker 1: rookie season. That's just a profile I want to go
Speaker 1: after as much as I possible we can. So if
Speaker 1: you added Coleman this week, are you starting him in
Speaker 1: Week nine?
Speaker 3: Borderline? And it's fun that we're getting to see this
Speaker 3: guy start to shine, like his ball skills are just
Speaker 3: freaky good. I've got him at wide receiver thirty six
Speaker 3: this week. He's just got a very wide range of outcomes.
Speaker 3: We just can't count on a lot of targets for
Speaker 3: him when he is sharing with Amari Cooper, Khalil Shakir,
Speaker 3: Dalton Kinkaid, James Cook, and we've got an offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: in Joe Brady who loves to run the ball. So fortunately, though,
Speaker 3: Keon Coleman is the kind of wide receiver who can
Speaker 3: pop on a limited number of targets. He's had seven
Speaker 3: in each of the last two weeks. He had in
Speaker 3: Week seven one hundred and twenty five yards against the Titans,
Speaker 3: in Week seven seventy yards and a touchdown last week
Speaker 3: against Seattle. So even with seven targets not a big
Speaker 3: target total, he has come through in each of the
Speaker 3: last two weeks. Boomer best flex option, though, I think
Speaker 3: just because we can't really on him being seriously involved.
Speaker 3: Maybe he makes a big play or two, but you
Speaker 3: know he's not going to get double digit targets. It's
Speaker 3: just not how this offense works.
Speaker 2: Erickson, I think I'm a little more optimistic about Keon
Speaker 2: Coleman this week. I'm not really looking at the matchup
Speaker 2: per se. It's just this is a rookie who was
Speaker 2: drafted at the top of the second round that is
Speaker 2: breaking out before our eyes. Why aren't we more excited
Speaker 2: about Keon Coleman. Yeah, I get that there's other targets
Speaker 2: in this offense, but who's the quarterback? Josh Allen like
Speaker 2: he can get by on maybe not as much volume
Speaker 2: as some of these other wide receivers. You look at
Speaker 2: what he's done over the last basically through the first
Speaker 2: eight weeks of the season, his receiving yards over expectation
Speaker 2: third most by rookie wide receiver, trailing only Jamar Chase
Speaker 2: and Justin Jefferson. That's the bucket of what he's done
Speaker 2: through eight weeks of the NFL season, and we're kind
Speaker 2: of ranking him EH wide receiver three. I feel like
Speaker 2: we need to be buying into what we're seeing in
Speaker 2: this breakout with Keon Coleman, because Fitz said it. He
Speaker 2: looks great like he is making contested catches in the
Speaker 2: red zone. So yeah, if he only gets five targets, well,
Speaker 2: I think that half of those are going to come
Speaker 2: in the end zone so he can come down with
Speaker 2: a touchdown. He's shown the big play ability. He has
Speaker 2: chemistry with Josh Allen, more so than Amari. Cooper's still
Speaker 2: new to the team, so I think that yes, the
Speaker 2: raw target volume hasn't really been there for him, but
Speaker 2: the high value opportunities. He's the air yards leader last
Speaker 2: two weeks, red zone target leader the last two weeks,
Speaker 2: and he still has a twenty two percent target chair,
Speaker 2: which is still really good. And I think one of
Speaker 2: the things to point out about his role, it's changed
Speaker 2: a little bit. Josh Allen is now looking for him
Speaker 2: on third downs. That's something that was not the case
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the season. So you're starting to
Speaker 2: see the trust with Josh Allen. And if I have
Speaker 2: to push my chips on on a receiver that's attached
Speaker 2: to Josh Allen, like that's the bet I'm making. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's going to work out for you most times.
Speaker 2: So I like Kean Coleman. Somebody asked me in discord,
Speaker 2: A'mari Cooper or Keon Coleman, and I had Cooper ranked
Speaker 2: ahead of him, just because you know he's the veteran.
Speaker 2: But then I thought about it and like, I don't
Speaker 2: think I would rather start a mark. I mean, both
Speaker 2: guys have boom or bust potential, but who's shown more
Speaker 2: the last two weeks when both guys been into playing
Speaker 2: in the same offense, It's been key On Coleman. So again,
Speaker 2: I think both guys have Like Fitz, I think boom
Speaker 2: or bust is the right way to approach it. But
Speaker 2: this rookie's breaking out and I don't want to miss it,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to chase these booms.
Speaker 1: Fits what other waiver wire ad. Since I didn't have
Speaker 1: any good running backs, I wanted to throw a quarterback
Speaker 1: in here in Jamis Winston. We already kind of talked
Speaker 1: about that offense a bit with Cedric Tillman was awesome
Speaker 1: against the Ravens again an appealing matchup. You know, guys
Speaker 1: that beat up Baltimore defense, but Jamis looked good. There's
Speaker 1: talent on the offense around him. If he plays at
Speaker 1: at a decent level, like even if people were saying
Speaker 1: the whole time, like if Deshaun Watson was just an
Speaker 1: average quarterback, this team would be a playoff contender. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think Jamis can at least give them
Speaker 1: average quarterback play. So what do you make of him
Speaker 1: starting in Week nine in that Chargers matchup?
Speaker 3: Oh, I am in his ECR is QB eighteen. I
Speaker 3: have got him QB nine. So Jamis is, Yeah, Jamis
Speaker 3: is just gonna let it. Rint Man so forty one
Speaker 3: past ten last week in his first start of the season,
Speaker 3: and Jamis throws it aggressively downfield. Here's an interesting stat
Speaker 3: from our good friend Jacob Gibbs of CBS. Jamis had
Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy five catchable air yards against the
Speaker 3: Ravens last week. The previous high and catchable air yards
Speaker 3: for any quarterback this season Brock Purdy with two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirteen, and only two other quarterbacks have produced two
Speaker 3: hundred or more catchable air yards in a game this season,
Speaker 3: Jordan Love and Dak Prescott. So I realized the matchup
Speaker 3: with the Chargers is not great, and there's always a
Speaker 3: chance Jamis is going to throw multiple interceptions because he
Speaker 3: is such an aggressive downfield passer. I don't care. I
Speaker 3: want this dude in my lineup.
Speaker 1: And by the way, essentially through multiple interceptions in this game,
Speaker 1: even when he was great that just weren't caught. We
Speaker 1: don't need to talk any more about that though. Eric said,
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, where are you ranking him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more in line with where ECR has him.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I can't say I'm not convinced by
Speaker 2: fits about I gotta probably move him up at him
Speaker 2: as a QB streamer. I know I picked him up
Speaker 2: in a couple leagues where I had to drop Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2: And I mean we saw this with Joe Flaka last year.
Speaker 2: The dude just let it rip the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Didn't really it didn't even matter who he played. You
Speaker 2: just just started every single week. So I think we're
Speaker 2: beginning to see this Brown's offense really blossom. And if
Speaker 2: Winston's out there on your waiver wire, it's still not
Speaker 2: too late to hop on the bandwagon. I think the
Speaker 2: Browns win in an upset in this game. If they
Speaker 2: win and means they're scoring touchdowns. So yes, the Browns
Speaker 2: have impending regression because they could never score their team
Speaker 2: total with Deshaun Watson. Well, they got out with the
Speaker 2: team total last week with Winston, and I think you're
Speaker 2: going to continue to see that trend over and over
Speaker 2: and over again. So yeah, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to move him up.
Speaker 1: Do you don't think just quickly fits like this is
Speaker 1: like a long term Like if you had him in dynasty,
Speaker 1: would you be looking to just sell high if your
Speaker 1: rebuilding team hold on, if you're a contending team, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you make of him like long term? Or
Speaker 1: is this just like, hey, maybe the back half of
Speaker 1: the season will be another Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3: It's the interceptions, man. You can't live with the interceptions
Speaker 3: long term. That's why no one is going to go
Speaker 3: forward with Jamis Wing as their quarterback of the future.
Speaker 3: Like he's not going to be anyone's long term plan
Speaker 3: at QB.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, fits, who is your plant your flag
Speaker 1: player for week nine?
Speaker 3: Well it's Calvin Ridley, And I'm a little worried now
Speaker 3: because he has since shown up on the injury report,
Speaker 3: didn't practice with the shoulder issue on Wednesday. But in
Speaker 3: the Titans first game after trading away DeAndre Hopkins, Ridley
Speaker 3: had fifteen targets, ten catches, one hundred and forty three yards.
Speaker 3: A lot of people have been impatiently waiting for Calvin
Speaker 3: Ridley to live up to the vast potential he showed
Speaker 3: early in his career. I'm very encouraged that he was
Speaker 3: hyper targeted by Mason Rudolph last week with no DeAndre
Speaker 3: Hopkins in the picture. Optimistic, cautiously optimistic that continues. I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe this is my great pumpkin moments. I'll
Speaker 3: be like Linus in the pumpkin patch waiting for another
Speaker 3: one hundred yard game for Calvin Ridley. That's fine, man,
Speaker 3: Just give me my blanket and my flashlight and I'm good.
Speaker 1: Ericson who's your plant, your flag player.
Speaker 2: I'm going with Nick Chubb, someone that you were kind
Speaker 2: of pushing back on me and Fitz last week, worm
Speaker 2: about how you liked him a little bit more and
Speaker 2: although he didn't have a monster game in the box score.
Speaker 2: Joe Pi Sapia had brought this to me. It was
Speaker 2: the first game that a running back rushed for fifty
Speaker 2: yards against the Baltimore Ravens and it was Nick Chubb
Speaker 2: that was the running back that did it. So he's
Speaker 2: already talked to the media earlier this week saying he's
Speaker 2: starting to feel back to himself again, What else is
Speaker 2: he going to say? But it's encouraging because you're starting
Speaker 2: to see it in the box score, like he's getting
Speaker 2: more touched. I mean, he saw almost twenty opportunities in
Speaker 2: that game, which was going back and forth between a
Speaker 2: really tough Baltimore Ravens defense. And I talked earlier about
Speaker 2: how the Browns can score on this Chargers offense. Again,
Speaker 2: if Fitzblieze Winston is going to be putting up top
Speaker 2: ten quarterback performance, well, they're going to be moving the ball,
Speaker 2: They're going to be in red zone opportunities, and what
Speaker 2: does that mean? Nick Chubb is going to have chances
Speaker 2: to score touchdowns here? So I look at the Chargers defense.
Speaker 2: They don't stack the box. They have one of the
Speaker 2: lowest stackbock rates in the NFL, below ten percent. So
Speaker 2: if Winston's getting favorable looks in this offense, getting favorable
Speaker 2: looks to run the football, I think they will they
Speaker 2: love Nick Chubb like he is there there Again, if
Speaker 2: it went for Jameis Winston, he would be the top
Speaker 2: of the town. Nick Chubb coming back from this major
Speaker 2: knee injury. So I think that Chubb is an interesting player,
Speaker 2: someone that I think is viewed as an RB three,
Speaker 2: but I think maybe he can seek into the top
Speaker 2: twenty four conversation, look at the running backs the Charges
Speaker 2: have faced. Five of the last six running bicks they
Speaker 2: face have exceeded their rushing projection. All of them hit
Speaker 2: at least sixty four rushing yards. Last two weeks, They've
Speaker 2: allowed five point seven yards per carry over one hundred
Speaker 2: rushing yards per game to opposing running backs, And Alba
Speaker 2: Kamara was like, he looked great against this Chargers run
Speaker 2: defense because they're not selling out to stop the runs.
Speaker 2: So maybe as they try to avoid Jamis Winston throwing
Speaker 2: all over them, they try to put more guys in
Speaker 2: coverage in and let those a little bit lighter in
Speaker 2: the box. So, yeah, Nick Chubb for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I was just listening back to
Speaker 1: the tape from last week's show and everything I said
Speaker 1: about Nick Chubb, like the offense is gonna better, He's
Speaker 1: gonna have more scoring opportunities. They love this guy. You're
Speaker 1: now on Boordish. I appreciate. I think I mentioned last
Speaker 1: too that no running back had gotten fifty yards. It
Speaker 1: might have been on the Friday Show if you weren't on,
Speaker 1: But in my I will say I didn't think Chubb
Speaker 1: was going to get fifty yards. I thought he was
Speaker 1: going to, you know, get get a touchdown, which is
Speaker 1: why I thought he was maybe.
Speaker 2: Fans, but points for being for being fair. He still
Speaker 2: any fans. But but again to.
Speaker 1: Your point, most rushing yards against now there Again we've
Speaker 1: talked about people keep kind of highlighting the secondary in
Speaker 1: Baltimore being banged up. They did lose Michael Pierce in
Speaker 1: that game. Travis Jones is banged up, Like they don't
Speaker 1: really have INTI your defensive line depth. Brent Urban also
Speaker 1: didn't play in this one. You know, he had a
Speaker 1: issue early, so like it was a lot easier to
Speaker 1: run on this Ravens defense than it was earlier in
Speaker 1: the year. But still I think impressive, like just the
Speaker 1: way the way they have been so far, and and
Speaker 1: also just the usage he's getting in his second game
Speaker 1: off that injury, Like I was to me that was
Speaker 1: encouraging for what to expect the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: So yeah, again, I wasn't saying like Nick Chubb should
Speaker 1: have been ranked as a top ten guy, but I
Speaker 1: just you know, I thought he was a little low
Speaker 1: and I thought look good. I'm very on board with
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Speaker 1: All right, Ericson, let's get into some start sit player debates.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Kareem Hunt versus JK. Dobbins. Who do
Speaker 1: you like better this week?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Kareem Hunt. I think it comes
Speaker 2: down to I like his touchdown equity. I really like
Speaker 2: the Browns defense playing at home against the Chargers who
Speaker 2: have kind of opened up the passing game a little
Speaker 2: bit more. They haven't really been as nearly run heavy.
Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean that Dobbins is not involved, because
Speaker 2: he's been seeing a lot of checkdown targets from Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: But I mean Kareem Hunt has just been a full
Speaker 2: blown workhorse, seeing a massive role in the red zone.
Speaker 2: Chiefs have one of the highest supplied team totals on
Speaker 2: the slate against the tam Bay Buccaneers who have been
Speaker 2: destroyed by Atlanta Falcons running backs. Like So for me,
Speaker 2: I think that I'm just gonna roll with cream Hunt.
Speaker 2: And if you got Kaream Hunt, you got to keep
Speaker 2: rolling with him. Till Pacheco comes back. I think so
Speaker 2: that's my play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fitz, what do you think about this one? Dobbins
Speaker 1: is interesting in that the box score hasn't been quite
Speaker 1: as strong since those first two weeks, but his snap
Speaker 1: percentage has gone up since then. He had his highest
Speaker 1: of the season eighty two percent snaps played in Week eight,
Speaker 1: even as maybe some of the production has fallen off
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 3: So he opened with those two hundred yard rushing games,
Speaker 3: although they did come against the Panthers and the Raiders,
Speaker 3: so they came into pretty easy matchups. In the five
Speaker 3: game since, Dobbins has averaged under four yards per carry
Speaker 3: in every game, at three point one six yards per
Speaker 3: carry in that five game stretch, so I'm starting to
Speaker 3: worry if he's running out of steam a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, the first two games in that five game
Speaker 3: stretch came against the Steelers and Chiefs, who have really
Speaker 3: tough run defenses. It's not like a crime that any
Speaker 3: running back would have a poor game against them.
Speaker 2: But JK.
Speaker 3: Dobbins had fourteen carries for forty yards against the Cardinals
Speaker 3: two weeks ago. Against the Saints, whose run defense has
Speaker 3: been a sieve all year, he just had seventeen carries
Speaker 3: for fifty seven yards. It makes you wonder if we
Speaker 3: are maybe going to get a full Commani Videl unveiling
Speaker 3: at some point soon. As for Kareem Hunt, look our guy.
Speaker 3: Debro just on Twitter mentioned that Kareem Hunt has eighty
Speaker 3: four rushing attempts this year, no explosive runs. My response
Speaker 3: to Deepro who cares? He's had more than twenty rushing
Speaker 3: attempts in three straight games. He scored a touchdown in
Speaker 3: three straight games, two touchdowns in one of those games.
Speaker 3: Like man, just the guy's getting a lot of work.
Speaker 3: He's getting all the goal line carries, and the Chiefs
Speaker 3: wind up doing a lot of business at the goal
Speaker 3: line every week. I yes, I totally agree with Eric's
Speaker 3: And the touchdown equity is through the roof with Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1: Just play him so we both are all like Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt over JK. Dobbins. This week, let's go to another
Speaker 1: running back debate, Bucky Irving versus Nick Chubb. So ericson
Speaker 1: you already kind of talked a bit about Nick Chubb,
Speaker 1: So I'll let you take this one first as well.
Speaker 2: See now you see you put on me on the
Speaker 2: spot because now I feel like a hypocrite because I
Speaker 2: feel like I feel like I slightly towards Bucky.
Speaker 1: It might have beens. I put together these debates before
Speaker 1: you picked your players, so you could have just not
Speaker 1: picked Nick Chubb.
Speaker 2: Well, then I would be going I'd be doing the
Speaker 2: people into service by not choosing my right flag plan. Again,
Speaker 2: I mean, I took a low hanging fruit that was
Speaker 2: rotten last week, which Yvonte Williams. So that was my penalty,
Speaker 2: and that was how I enjoyed my Week eight. For me,
Speaker 2: I guess Bucky. Bucky just looks so good. He just
Speaker 2: looked so explosive. He had more catches and more reception
Speaker 2: or more targets and receptions than Rashad White did last week.
Speaker 2: So yes, I do like Chubb this week. But I
Speaker 2: feel I think, I think the the clock is going
Speaker 2: to strike midnight. I'mbershod White very very soon. I just
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to sustain these touchdowns that he's
Speaker 2: got the last couple weeks. I know that he's involved
Speaker 2: in the passing game as well, but he doesn't have
Speaker 2: any rushing to fall back on, so I know it's
Speaker 2: even a tough matchup for the Chiefs. I still think
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving he's just he just looks so good. So
Speaker 2: I think that he can do enough on the ground
Speaker 2: and then be involved in the passing game. And I
Speaker 2: think that he's still the preferred red zone running back
Speaker 2: in that backfield. So I give a I have them
Speaker 2: right back to back. I do give a slightly towards Bucky,
Speaker 2: especially in full PPR.
Speaker 1: It's what do you think fine?
Speaker 3: To make this call like this would have me tossing
Speaker 3: and turning on Saturday nights before the game. I would
Speaker 3: need that extra hour for daylight savings because I would
Speaker 3: be losing sleep over this call. So I I think
Speaker 3: I would probably start Chobb. Not an easy matchup against
Speaker 3: the Chargers, but the Browns did give him. He's only
Speaker 3: been back two weeks and he's already getting six team
Speaker 3: carries last week, and we know he's going to get
Speaker 3: the ball when they're inside the five yard line. As
Speaker 3: tough a matchup as the Chargers are for running backs,
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving is going against the Chiefs. That is a
Speaker 3: skull and crossbones matchup for running backs. These have been
Speaker 3: the two toughest matchups for running backs all year. The
Speaker 3: Chiefs and the Chargers. Chiefs are allowing three point seven
Speaker 3: fewer Fantasy points per game to running backs than the
Speaker 3: Chargers are, so this is just a hellish, hell ish matchup.
Speaker 3: I don't hate Bucky Irving's outlook this week, like we
Speaker 3: did see him getting involved as a pass catcher last
Speaker 3: week nine carries in a season high seven catches against
Speaker 3: the Falcons. Reasonable to expect that the Bucks are going
Speaker 3: to lean more on the running backs without Michael Irvin
Speaker 3: or Michael Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and as Ericson mentioned, like,
Speaker 3: Bucky has just looked terrific this season, So really tough call.
Speaker 3: Very slightly in towards Chubb.
Speaker 1: They are back to back in ECR for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: RB twenty seven and RB twenty eight and half PPR
Speaker 1: across the industry, so it's a very close one. Did
Speaker 1: you Is it daylight saving time this weekend? Is that?
Speaker 1: Did Did you say that? Yes? I did not know that.
Speaker 1: That's good. This is when we're we gained an hour
Speaker 1: sleep though, right, correct? I spring forward, fallback? Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's not so bad. All right, Let's go to some
Speaker 1: wide receiver debates. Amari Cooper versus Darnell Mooney. Fits will
Speaker 1: start with you on this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they really close call, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go with the guy who's just the better player, the
Speaker 3: guy with the longer track record of success, the guy
Speaker 3: tied to the better quarterback. Give me Amari Cooper. It's
Speaker 3: weird that Cooper gave us four catches for sixty six
Speaker 3: yards and a touchdown on five targets in his first
Speaker 3: game on just a thirty three percent snapchair and then
Speaker 3: had this pullback last week when his snapchair rose to
Speaker 3: fifty percent one catch, three yards. I do think he'll
Speaker 3: probably get up to like seventy percent seventy five percent
Speaker 3: with his snapchair this week. So yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 3: just better quarterback and better player. I mean, I like
Speaker 3: Darnell Mooney. This is a close call, but I'm going
Speaker 3: with Amari.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Erickson?
Speaker 2: I like Mooney. I like the game environment more between
Speaker 2: Dallas in Atlanta and a dome. Maybe Dallas can do
Speaker 2: something offensively to push the Kirk Cousins let offense. I
Speaker 2: know that Mooney's not playing the Buccaneers, who he's basically
Speaker 2: had eighty percent of his production against this season. But
Speaker 2: I mean, Mooney's looked really good in this offense, and
Speaker 2: he's a part of it. He's not just a sub
Speaker 2: piece to a Drake London or a Kyle Pitts like
Speaker 2: he is involved. He's on the field on every single snap,
Speaker 2: and if this game shoots out, I think Mooney could
Speaker 2: be a big part of it. And I think, like Cooper,
Speaker 2: he has a lot of upside. Again, he can take
Speaker 2: a eighty yard pass to the house just like Cooper can.
Speaker 2: So I think right now we've just seen a little
Speaker 2: bit more consistency from Darnell Mooney than Amari Cooper. Again,
Speaker 2: obviously he's on a new team, so it's tough, but
Speaker 2: I like Mooney the most.
Speaker 1: This is another one where ECR has them back to back.
Speaker 1: By the way, why receiver twenty two Darnell Mooney, Why
Speaker 1: receiver twenty three Marik Cooper. That's again in half PPR rankings.
Speaker 1: How about another one, Khalil Shakir, So you had another
Speaker 1: Bill's receiver we're talking about here versus Josh Downs. Ericson
Speaker 1: will start with you.
Speaker 2: This time Josh Downs. Josh downs By I get I
Speaker 2: don't let you here, but it's it's clearly Josh Downs.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, you need to you have to start
Speaker 2: Josh Downs this week. I don't know how more I
Speaker 2: can sell. I guess I can. I guess I can
Speaker 2: present some numbers if that's something that we will be
Speaker 2: entertained by. So Josh Downs target rate the season thirty
Speaker 2: three percent, fourth in the NFL since Week three, twenty
Speaker 2: six percent. Target share tenth overall in the NFL, with
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco averaging over nineteen PPR points per game, and
Speaker 2: he's facing the Vikings defense who has allowed top five
Speaker 2: in terms of fantasy points to wide receivers this season.
Speaker 2: He is the target leader in this offense. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's because Michael Pittman is washing anyway. Michael
Speaker 2: Pittman again, a couple weeks ago, Pittman was gonna go
Speaker 2: on injured reserve, So I don't know if he's one
Speaker 2: hundred percent healthy. I think that he's gutting it out
Speaker 2: with this back injury, so I don't think that he's
Speaker 2: at one hundred percent. But Josh Downs is benefiting from
Speaker 2: that in the biggest way because he's seeing a boatload
Speaker 2: of targets. He's looked great. You should have had two
Speaker 2: touchdowns last week with I mean he was producing with
Speaker 2: Anthony richardson right, so he was making highlight cashes. So yeah,
Speaker 2: Shakira has been so consistent and efficient, But I think
Speaker 2: the upside play is still with Josh Downs because then
Speaker 2: we're talking about a lot of bills receivers this week.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna want me to pop off? I think Chakia
Speaker 2: is the highest floor, but maybe Cooper or Coleman has
Speaker 2: a higher ceiling. So I'm gonna go with Josh Downs
Speaker 2: because think he has a floor and ceiling combination that
Speaker 2: I like a lot.
Speaker 1: This is one where these guys were actually a lot
Speaker 1: closer when I was putting the outline together just yesterday,
Speaker 1: and then you know, ECR is kind of started to
Speaker 1: catch up to the news about Joe Flackhan everything, and
Speaker 1: now Josh Downs is actually a handful of spots higher.
Speaker 1: Shakiir's wide receiver twenty five Downs is inside the top twenty.
Speaker 1: He's wide receiver nineteen in ECR as of right now
Speaker 1: fits Downs or Shakiir? Who do you have higher? This week? Oh?
Speaker 3: Interesting battle of two guys for whom enthusiasm has maybe
Speaker 3: gotten to the irrational level In the fantasy community, and
Speaker 3: I'm getting a dose of that with ericson here. I mean,
Speaker 3: I I You'll have to excuse me for not getting
Speaker 3: the memo about Josh downs superstardom, the guy who just
Speaker 3: had his second one hundred yard game of his career
Speaker 3: and has five career touchdowns in twenty three career games.
Speaker 3: I like Josh Dowins. I mean, he is a smooth
Speaker 3: moving slot receiver. I think he's gonna be a really
Speaker 3: solid player for the foreseeable future. But like I'm not
Speaker 3: ready to, you know, think that he's going to be
Speaker 3: the next Chris Godwin. Yet I'm just not there. And
Speaker 3: Shaki nine catches for one hundred and seven yards against
Speaker 3: the Seahawks last week on ten targets, but all of
Speaker 3: those numbers were season highs. His ten targets, nine catches,
Speaker 3: one hundred and seven receiving yards. Hasn't had more than
Speaker 3: seven targets or seventy two yards in any other game
Speaker 3: this season, and he's competing for targets with the Mary Cooper,
Speaker 3: Kean Coleman, Dalton Kincaid. I do love me some shakiir
Speaker 3: Though he is very efficient, he has a ridiculous ninety
Speaker 3: four point seven percent catch rate this year, averaging eleven
Speaker 3: point one yards per target, and that's kind of carried
Speaker 3: over from last year when he was really efficient. So yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I just like all these questions I'm getting on Twitter
Speaker 3: and Discord this week are just like everyone is over
Speaker 3: the moon about Josh Downs. He's wide receiver eighteen in
Speaker 3: ECR right now. I'm just not there yet. And I
Speaker 3: get that the quarterback change is reason to be more
Speaker 3: enthusiastic about these Colts receivers, all of them, not just Downs,
Speaker 3: but Pittman, even Alec Pierce I think is like borderline flexworthy.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing, Like Michael Pittman's ECR is wide
Speaker 3: receiver thirty two. We're totally convinced Josh Downs is way
Speaker 3: more valuable than Michael Pittman. Like, I'm not there yet,
Speaker 3: And maybe you're right Erics, and maybe Pittman is banged
Speaker 3: up and playing it much less than one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: but I'm just I am not on board with all
Speaker 3: the Josh Downs enthusiasm. Certainly playable. I think you probably
Speaker 3: are starting him this week, But if I had this choice,
Speaker 3: I think I would play Shaki.
Speaker 2: Please don't tell me that this is don Tavin Wicks
Speaker 2: two point zero all over again.
Speaker 3: I like him, man, I just I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: seem as a top twenty receiver this week.
Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable to say that maybe like wide receiver,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, eighteen nineteen is too high in
Speaker 1: terms of ECR. But it does seem like it's been
Speaker 1: pretty close to black and white this season. Of like,
Speaker 1: if Joe Flacco is a starting quarterback, it's probably been
Speaker 1: a smart decision to play Josh downs more often than not,
Speaker 1: and when he's not the starting quarterback, more often than not,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been that smart decision. So now that Flaco
Speaker 1: is starting, I mean I do that you didn't really
Speaker 1: dive too deep into it fits. But like I am
Speaker 1: somewhat worried about this matchup too. Like we were talking
Speaker 1: a bit before the show, Like on the one hand,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's good, a good thing Anthony Richardson
Speaker 1: isn't kind of kind of get thrown to the wolves,
Speaker 1: so to speak, against this Vikings defense. But on the
Speaker 1: other hand, Joe Flacco has is a statue. He has
Speaker 1: no mobility whatsoever, and I'd be pretty concerned, like going
Speaker 1: up against that Minnesota pass rush.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean, Minnesota is a hard place to play,
Speaker 3: and I know the Vikings have been generous to opposing
Speaker 3: wide receivers, but I don't think this is gonna be
Speaker 3: an easy matchup for with Brian Flores finding ways to
Speaker 3: dial up pressure and the Vikings are probably going to
Speaker 3: be breathing fire after losing two straight games. So I
Speaker 3: want to find a place. I want to find odds
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Speaker 1: running back here, Rico Dawdle versus Javonte Williams. Fitz will
Speaker 1: start with you here.
Speaker 3: Javante by knows a tough matchup against the Ravens. We've
Speaker 3: talked about how good they are against the run, but
Speaker 3: as you have pointed out in the past, Worm, the
Speaker 3: Ravens do give it up to running backs in the
Speaker 3: passing game at times, and Javante is a very involved
Speaker 3: pass catcher. Dowdell probably the better matchup against the Falcons,
Speaker 3: but we just haven't gotten much production from the Dallas
Speaker 3: backfield and Dowdell's usage is been inconsistent.
Speaker 1: We kind of said, Fitz, if Gavante doesn't get it
Speaker 1: done against Carolina, that we might be more out on him.
Speaker 1: This is kind of going encounter to that, because he
Speaker 1: didn't really get it done against against Carolina at all,
Speaker 1: and in a very tasty matchup. You know, seventeen carries
Speaker 1: for forty four yards pretty abysmal. So you're you're comfortable
Speaker 1: kind of going back to the well with him.
Speaker 3: Well, Dowell showed up to the stadium last week and
Speaker 3: was sick and didn't play, so he didn't get it
Speaker 3: done either. But yeah, I just like, if you're starting Rico,
Speaker 3: you're in pretty desperate times. I think it's just like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to start any of these Dallas running backs,
Speaker 3: and like, who knows that they're going to try to
Speaker 3: keep Dalvin Cook involved for some reason. I just I'm
Speaker 3: kind of out on the boys running backs.
Speaker 1: Ericson what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I didn't come up with this
Speaker 2: great Mike McDaniel coosum, I wasn't going to actually show
Speaker 2: up dress as Uncle Rico in support of my guy
Speaker 2: Rico Dawdell, who's going to take back the rb ons
Speaker 2: thepot because he should have had it, but he had
Speaker 2: basically his temperature was at one hundred and two point
Speaker 2: four degrees, exactly what he said. He tried to play,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't let him play. I'm just gonna pretend last
Speaker 2: week never happened. I don't care that Dalvin Cook was
Speaker 2: brought up I saw Dallas Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Att
Speaker 2: play and they were both horrible. So Rico Daddell has
Speaker 2: had one strong game this year twenty carries against the
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. It looked pretty good. I think that he's
Speaker 2: going to get fed in this matchup. They're going to
Speaker 2: use him. The Falcons are a favorable matchup for running backs,
Speaker 2: and I think, like Javonte, Rico dadd was also involved
Speaker 2: in the passing game. So I know that we're frustrated
Speaker 2: with Dawdle because he didn't play last week and he
Speaker 2: put some Anders in a tough spot because it happened
Speaker 2: so late, so you had to make a quick pivot.
Speaker 2: But I think that this is a potential breakout spot
Speaker 2: for Rico Daddell if he ends up getting the workload,
Speaker 2: which by all intensive purposes from the coach speak from
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy talking him up for we' seen from of
Speaker 2: the other Dallas Cowboys running backs it should be. So again,
Speaker 2: I'm sick of this Javonte inconsistency. You can't trust him.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what matchup it is, He's up and down.
Speaker 2: Give you Dotell, all right?
Speaker 1: How about our wide receiver here Courtland Sutton sticking with
Speaker 1: that Denver game versus Jacoby Myers. Ericson will start with
Speaker 1: you this time.
Speaker 2: I like both guys kind of in that wide receiver
Speaker 2: three range. I think that I'm cool with just the
Speaker 2: Myers consistency that what he's been able to do. The
Speaker 2: Bengals defense have been really bad against the number two receivers,
Speaker 2: and again, I think Myers is still the number two
Speaker 2: on this team behind Rock Bowers. So I think Myers
Speaker 2: is just going to be consistent. He's gonna have five catches,
Speaker 2: gonna go over fifty yards, and I'm cool with that,
Speaker 2: especially in a full PPR, whereas Sutton you're taking a
Speaker 2: little bit more risk. I know that the matchup is good.
Speaker 2: Against the Baltimore Ravens, we saw a big body receiver
Speaker 2: like Cedric Tillman obviously take advantage of some of these
Speaker 2: smaller Ravens corners, but it still is bo Nix on
Speaker 2: the road in Baltimore where you could see, okay, things
Speaker 2: could go Harrywire potentially, and sometimes bo Nicks isn't the
Speaker 2: most accurate quarterback when he's not playing the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 2: So that does concerned me. I think Sutton has the
Speaker 2: higher ceiling for sure. So if you're aiming for I
Speaker 2: need to score maxim amount of points, I think Sutton
Speaker 2: is to play, but in full PPR or you need
Speaker 2: more of a floor play. I'm just going to take Jacoby,
Speaker 2: who's been basically very very consistent since the team has
Speaker 2: basically not had DeVante Adams.
Speaker 1: It does seem like the Ravens secondary is maybe going
Speaker 1: to be healthier this week than it was last week.
Speaker 1: I normally I would be all over Sutton in this one.
Speaker 1: I would like. Rookie quarterbacks in Baltimore against John Harbot
Speaker 1: tend to struggle pretty mightily. So that is kind of
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind as getting me away
Speaker 1: from Sutton a bit. Everything else points to Sutton, in
Speaker 1: my opinion fits. What do you think about this one?
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton or Jacobe Myers.
Speaker 3: Oh give me the guy going up against the Ravens
Speaker 3: pass defense. It's a sieve, right worm. Have you watched
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens play football lately?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Just kidding, So, I actually think Ericson framed this pretty
Speaker 3: well as far as the sort of risk reward outlooks
Speaker 3: for these two guys, And maybe you let that sort
Speaker 3: of determine who you start. If you're making this decision,
Speaker 3: if you're a favorite, maybe you want to go with
Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers, who probably does have the sturdier floor here.
Speaker 3: He's going to get somewhere in the range of seven
Speaker 3: to ten targets, you would think, and you know, good
Speaker 3: chance of getting you the fifty yards. Ericson is talking
Speaker 3: about Sutton a little more boom or bust. I mean
Speaker 3: we've seen games or what that Saints game where he
Speaker 3: didn't get a single target even though the Broncos passing
Speaker 3: game is clicking that night. But I mean he does
Speaker 3: have a much higher ceiling. I think. So maybe if
Speaker 3: you're a little bit of an underdog and you need
Speaker 3: to land a haymaker to win, like Sutton is the
Speaker 3: guy you're going to go with here.
Speaker 1: If you're actually making this decision, I would make it
Speaker 1: based on the like who is actually playing for the
Speaker 1: Ravens in this one. If Marlin Humphrey who was limited
Speaker 1: in practice on Wednesday, and Nate Wiggins, who was also
Speaker 1: limited in practice on Wednesday, if they're both back, I
Speaker 1: think I would get away from Sutton. But if they're
Speaker 1: both out or still seem pretty limited, or if just
Speaker 1: when it was out, then I think I'd be wanting
Speaker 1: to play Sutton against this defense for sure. Let's do
Speaker 1: some flex debates here. How about Tank Bigsby against Dj
Speaker 1: Moore fits What do you think about that one?
Speaker 3: Dj Moore? I know he's been disappointing. He has had
Speaker 3: thirty under thirty receiving yards in three of his last
Speaker 3: four games, but there are no doubts that Moore is
Speaker 3: an excellent player in the matchup against the Cardinals is
Speaker 3: a really good one, Like, I think you just have
Speaker 3: to play him. Tank Bigsby is proving that he's a
Speaker 3: really good runner, but I just can never feel entirely
Speaker 3: comfortable with him in my starting lineup playing on a
Speaker 3: bad team when he is a running back who doesn't
Speaker 3: catch passes, Like if they fall behind by multiple scores,
Speaker 3: the floor could just drop out from Tank Bigsby because
Speaker 3: they're going to have to throw to catch up, and
Speaker 3: Bigsby just isn't involved in the passing game, and that
Speaker 3: could well happen with the injury depleted Jaguars going into
Speaker 3: Philadelphia to play the Eagles, who have allowed the eighth
Speaker 3: fewest rushing yards to running back so I would play
Speaker 3: Dj Moore here.
Speaker 1: Who do you prefer? Erickson?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree dj Moore. I know that he's been disappointing,
Speaker 2: but he's a boom and bust guy and it's a
Speaker 2: favorable matchup. I think that this is potential bloom spot
Speaker 2: for him, and there's a chance that Eten comes back,
Speaker 2: and to fits his point about Tank Bigsby, when they've
Speaker 2: used him in the passing game, he's looked bad. That's
Speaker 2: the other issue too, where he's dropping passes, it's going
Speaker 2: off of his face mask like they're setting up screens
Speaker 2: for him, but it's not turning out into big plays.
Speaker 2: So as much as we'd like to say, hey, maybe
Speaker 2: they'll getting more involved in the receiving game, he's not
Speaker 2: proving that he necessarily deserves those touches. Again as a rusher,
Speaker 2: he's been very affected this year. But I think that
Speaker 2: Eten goes back to at least that pass catching role
Speaker 2: if he plays. And Doug Peterson said earlier this week
Speaker 2: that he's optimistic that ETM will play, but he said
Speaker 2: that before. But either way, the Ernest Johnson would also
Speaker 2: be in that role potentially.
Speaker 1: Ericsons sticking with you, Rashad White or Calvin Ridley this week.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Calvin Ridley. I think that
Speaker 2: he is the ceiling play here and I like chasing
Speaker 2: ceiling in my flex I said earlier, I think that
Speaker 2: this is when the strike or the clock strikes midnight.
Speaker 2: For Rashad White. I don't know if he can continue
Speaker 2: to run his hot on these receiving touchdowns. Maybe he can,
Speaker 2: but this matchup against the Chiefs is just is absolutely
Speaker 2: brutal for running backs for the Buccaneers, especially if he's
Speaker 2: not looking nearly as great as Bucketeer. But I don't
Speaker 2: know what the touch floor for Rashad White is in
Speaker 2: with Calvin Ridley. Look, he's gonna get man man coverage
Speaker 2: against Chrisiganzales, so if he's ready to win, then he
Speaker 2: can have a mount monster game here. And if Mason
Speaker 2: Ruff's gonna hypertget him again, the He's gonna have a
Speaker 2: lot of opportunities. So I think really is much more
Speaker 2: boom or bust, because if he just gets out played
Speaker 2: by Gonzales, then he's gonna not play very well. He's
Speaker 2: not gonna put up production. But it only takes one
Speaker 2: for him to beat Christigan Zalez Man to man, and
Speaker 2: you've got an ad R touchdown on your hands. So
Speaker 2: I think I'm usually chase the ceiling with Calvin Ridley fits.
Speaker 3: Really, I have set up my encampment, encampment in the
Speaker 3: pumpkin patch, and I leaving until the great Pumpkin Calvin
Speaker 3: Ridley shows up, all.
Speaker 1: Right, if it's how about Alexander Madison or Michael Pittman
Speaker 1: Junior Madison.
Speaker 3: Over the month of October, Madison has averaged sixteen point
Speaker 3: five carries, three point eight catches, and twenty point three
Speaker 3: touches a game. The usage has been terrific. It hasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily led to a lot of Fantasy points over the
Speaker 3: last month, but he does have a pretty good matchup
Speaker 3: against the Bengals, whose run defense ranks twenty fifth in DVA. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when we were talking about downs earlier, like I just
Speaker 3: that was the other thing where you mentioned it, Like
Speaker 3: I don't like this matchup in Minnesota for the Colts
Speaker 3: very much. Like I have kind of a bad vibe
Speaker 3: on the Colts offense for this week, which means Flacco
Speaker 3: is probably going to throw for four hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: yards and five touchdowns. But man, I I kind of
Speaker 3: want to stay away from the Colts passing game this week.
Speaker 2: Erickson, I think it's kind of like a floor ceiling play.
Speaker 2: So Madison is a running back, I think the touch
Speaker 2: the touches are secure with him with the floor. So
Speaker 2: the thing with Pittman, I do kind of worry about
Speaker 2: this injury thing with him, Like he hasn't looked necessarily right.
Speaker 2: Even last week he had six targets evey one catch, right,
Speaker 2: So if he's one hundred percent healthy, if Downs is
Speaker 2: the guy that's seeing more targets, then you could see
Speaker 2: Pittman potentially not delivering even in a matchup that looks
Speaker 2: good on paper, but as you guys have outlined, there
Speaker 2: are a couple potential holes against Brian floor Is in
Speaker 2: this defense on the road. So I think Alex on
Speaker 2: Madison and good match against the Bengals. Maddison has been
Speaker 2: scoring touchdowns at a pretty solid rate. He couldn't find
Speaker 2: the en zone at all last year and now he
Speaker 2: can't stop finding the end zone this year. So I
Speaker 2: know his arts for care was really bad last week,
Speaker 2: but that's because half of his carriers are coming at
Speaker 2: the five yard line, so you're never gonna have a
Speaker 2: strong guards per Cary, and I think that goes back
Speaker 2: to the Cream Hunt point you brought up Fits, where yeah,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have an explosive runs because well, he's five
Speaker 2: yards away from the end zone every time he runs
Speaker 2: the ball, so he can't get any explosive runs. So
Speaker 2: h yeah, I think it's probably gonna be Madison for
Speaker 2: me as well.
Speaker 1: Last flex one Xavier Worthy or Cad Aughten and fits.
Speaker 1: You have talked in the past about how you are
Speaker 1: not a start tight ends in the flex spot type
Speaker 1: of guy, but Aughten has looked so good and obviously
Speaker 1: he has such a clear path to targets right now
Speaker 1: that I wanted to throw in a question with him included.
Speaker 1: So Kate Otten or Xavier Worthy fits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll toss that personal guideline out the window for
Speaker 3: this one and go with Kate Ott, And I mean,
Speaker 3: for better or worse, he is the Buccaneers top pass
Speaker 3: catcher now and if you're Worthy has gone over fifty
Speaker 3: receiving yards once this season. So Kate otten ericson.
Speaker 2: I put myself in Fitz's mindset for this question because
Speaker 2: I love XAVIERA. Worthy, but I was like, what would
Speaker 2: Fitz do as the higher ranked Fantasy pros analyst, he
Speaker 2: would say Kate at and so I'm also gonna say
Speaker 2: Kate Auton.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's go to a quarterback here, Bo
Speaker 1: Nicks versus my guy as John McVay againis can't do
Speaker 1: the impression Matthew Stafford, Stafford or Nicks ericson who'd you like? Well?
Speaker 2: Can you tell me are you gonna let Stafford throw
Speaker 2: the ball in the red zone? Are you gonna just
Speaker 2: give it to Karen Williams? Because that's that's ultimately what's
Speaker 2: gonna determine this. I think Stafford is just way safer.
Speaker 2: I think both guys have good matchups. But look, there's
Speaker 2: always a chance that Boonix in terms of back into
Speaker 2: a pumpkin as a rookie quarterback playing on the road
Speaker 2: against Baltimore if their defense gets healthier. I know Nix
Speaker 2: has the rushing that Stafford doesn't have. But with Stafford,
Speaker 2: with all his weapons back, I feel like he has
Speaker 2: such a high floor. His passing yard is always gonna be.
Speaker 2: There's gonna throw for two hundred and thirty yards at least,
Speaker 2: and then he's gonna throw a couple of touchdowns. As
Speaker 2: long as car and does the score three rushing touchdowns,
Speaker 2: so I have the rank back to back. I think
Speaker 2: both guys are viable this week, but I think I'm
Speaker 2: going to take the safe route with Stafford.
Speaker 1: And Nicks has regularly been like a very viable starting
Speaker 1: fantasy quarterback, but I worry about him this one, even
Speaker 1: again with the stay of the Ravens defense, Like, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know that they're going to let him
Speaker 1: run the way he has been and I don't know
Speaker 1: that he I feel pretty confident that he's not going
Speaker 1: to pass enough to be ahead of somebody like Stafford,
Speaker 1: who now gets his full allotment of receivers back. So
Speaker 1: I'm with you on Stafford. Fits do you do you
Speaker 1: agree making a clean sweeperor do you like Bnick.
Speaker 3: No clean sweep? And I am echoing your point on
Speaker 3: this worm, Like, I know, the matchup against the Ravens
Speaker 3: looks good. Baltimore has given up the third most fantasy
Speaker 3: points to quarterbacks, but man, like I have a hard
Speaker 3: time getting my head around the idea of a rookie
Speaker 3: quarterback going into Baltimore and that's somehow being a good
Speaker 3: matchup for him, Like, I just don't buy that, even
Speaker 3: though bo Nicks has actually been QB four in fantasy
Speaker 3: points per game since Week five, like he's been terrific lately.
Speaker 3: But look, man, I realize this is not your typical
Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens defense, like Terrell Suggs and Ed Reed are
Speaker 3: not going to be playing this weekend. But still, man like,
Speaker 3: Baltimore is a really tough place for a rookie QB
Speaker 3: to play, and Stafford is like, he is going to
Speaker 3: give you a safe floor and QB one upside as
Speaker 3: long as he has both Cooper Cup and Pokinakua at
Speaker 3: his disposal. And oh, by the way, Devon Witherspoon didn't
Speaker 3: practice for Seattle on Wednesday. If he doesn't play like
Speaker 3: Stafford could really light it up this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I tend to not that they never do
Speaker 1: anything against the Ravens, but again, a team like the
Speaker 1: Ravens or the Eagles, a team that faces a mobile
Speaker 1: quarterback in practice every day, I tend to like that
Speaker 1: defense going up against other mobile quarterbacks. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: be surprised by anything they see. Like obviously Bonix is
Speaker 1: not the rusher that Lamar is, so like, I just
Speaker 1: tend to co into those those matchups with a bit
Speaker 1: more confidence than I would for a defense that doesn't
Speaker 1: face it every day. How about a tight end here,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews or Tuckerkraft. I picked these, dude, because I
Speaker 1: feel like every single week this season I have asked
Speaker 1: about one of these guys, It's either been Andrews versus
Speaker 1: someone or Tucker Craft for someone, and so I figured,
Speaker 1: why not put them together, you know, head to head
Speaker 1: against each other. Obviously, crafters a bit of you know,
Speaker 1: question marks around in the quarterback play that he's gonna
Speaker 1: have this week going up against the Lions. Mark Andrews
Speaker 1: has been catching touchdowns lately at a really encouraging rate,
Speaker 1: but hasn't been getting the yardage or the usage. They
Speaker 1: now have added Deontay Johnson. We'll see what he does
Speaker 1: in Week one and what that means for Andrews. These
Speaker 1: guys are also back to back tight end eleven, tight
Speaker 1: end twelve. Most of the guys ahead of them, I
Speaker 1: think we're starting most behind I think are question marks.
Speaker 1: So I figured, why not throw kind of the two
Speaker 1: stars of this section this season against each other ericson
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews or Tucker Craft this week.
Speaker 2: I think it's Tucker Craft. I think he's just been
Speaker 2: more consistent throughout the entire season. The only way I
Speaker 2: would switch off it is if Malik Willis is starting
Speaker 2: quarterback for the Packers.
Speaker 1: Craft is ted in twelve and ECR by the way,
Speaker 1: Andrews is eleven. So, like I said, they are back
Speaker 1: to back fits. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ericson nailed it. Craft is a pretty easy call
Speaker 3: if Love plays. But as of now, I'm ranking Craft
Speaker 3: as if Love is not gonna play. I've gottt like
Speaker 3: tight End seventeen. Like if Love doesn't play in it's
Speaker 3: Malik Willis, I think you have to play Andrews.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we will wrap up with our touchdown
Speaker 1: calls contest fits your on running backs this week.
Speaker 3: I think the Vikings are going to take the Colts
Speaker 3: to the woodshed this weekend. So Aaron Jones gets into
Speaker 3: the end zone.
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of this game. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take Josh Downs and spit in the face of fits
Speaker 1: and say you are row. It is a Josh Downs.
Speaker 3: Everyone got this Josh Down Superstar memo except me.
Speaker 2: Well, I also like, you fix your facts, come on, boom.
Speaker 1: I do think he's maybe a touch over ranked in
Speaker 1: ECR having said that if Joe Flaggo is playing, I
Speaker 1: want to have Josh Downs in my lineups, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to pick an obvious guy. So maybe maybe
Speaker 1: this was an obvious guy according to ECR, but in
Speaker 1: my mind it was a good pick. Here. So Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones at running back, josh Awns at receiver, Ericson Hew,
Speaker 1: do you have a tight end?
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize we all picked guys from the
Speaker 2: same game.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Jackson actually yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: Tj Howkinson first game back, he's the coaches said he's
Speaker 2: not gonna be a snap count, so who knows if
Speaker 2: that's real or not. But Colt's will the second most
Speaker 2: catch to tight ends the season, third most touchdowns. I'm
Speaker 2: back in the Hawk's Nest baby TJ. Howkinson touchdown, So we.
Speaker 1: Will be playing paying very close attention to that game
Speaker 1: and seeing how we do in that.
Speaker 2: One three three touchdown parlay action coys.
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Speaker 2: Hocus Focus okus spoke, I had a.
Speaker 3: Feeling that's where you're gonna go with it fits gotta
Speaker 3: go with the original Halloween. John Carpenter, Michael Myers.
Speaker 1: I am not a horror movie guy, but I do
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Speaker 3: I even found a Maroon shirt ericson from a five
Speaker 3: K I ran like seven years ago.
Speaker 2: It's like it really says people can't say, but you
Speaker 2: can just say. It says all Hail to the Commanders
Speaker 2: on the shirt.
Speaker 3: Instead of Mother's Day. Five K