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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's trying to come, but she's had car trouble.

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Speaker 2: I guess either way, she's here in spirit, the Christmas spirit,

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Speaker 2: and this is the stuff you should know.

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Speaker 3: That's right, the Holiday spectacular and a couple of traditions

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Speaker 3: here is that this episode has brought to you ad

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Speaker 3: free and also no one exactly by us. And then

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Speaker 3: also we have managed to work it out. I don't

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Speaker 3: know about every year, but it seems like every year

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Speaker 3: where this is the last episode that we record of

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Speaker 3: our recording year, and it's so great and so fun

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Speaker 3: wind it down this way.

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Speaker 2: It's such a special tradition. And Chuck, I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: about this particular one because this is a good a

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Speaker 2: good combination, a good assemblage of stuff. I guess you

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Speaker 2: could say, but like add some hally to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also realize when you sent your stuff over,

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Speaker 3: I was like, hey, we kind of have a theme

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Speaker 3: for one of yours and one of mine, yeah, which

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Speaker 3: is you know, like sugary confections from different parts of

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Speaker 3: the world, right, so those are kind of fun. Maybe

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Speaker 3: we should do those back to back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think that's a good idea. And then

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Speaker 2: also we have another theme movies, oh yeah, or Christmas specials.

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Speaker 2: I don't know however you want to put it.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Where should we start this year?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to start with the cocktail so you

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Speaker 2: can get cracked while we do this?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Sure?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I think you should announce what's going on

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Speaker 2: to everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's happening is we usually try and source

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Speaker 3: some sort of a holiday cocktail and tell you how

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Speaker 3: to make it. Sometimes we make it and have it

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Speaker 3: on our own. And this year we had someone send

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Speaker 3: in a holiday cocktail. A few months ago, we got

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Speaker 3: an email from somebody named Holly Iten Miller.

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Speaker 2: I think you nailed it.

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Speaker 3: And this is a drink that Holly invented called hang

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Speaker 3: on your hats here Grandma's Christmas Breath.

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Speaker 2: That's so great. One thing I've noticed when you look

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Speaker 2: around and read Christmas stuff and try to find Christmas stuff,

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Speaker 2: Grandma is almost invariably portrayed as a drunk.

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't really, I wasn't sure what the breath

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Speaker 3: would be, but I guess boozy breath. That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Boozy breath. Yeah, Like I found a recipe for something

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Speaker 2: or other. It's like Grandma's version has like whiskey and

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Speaker 2: roam in it. Yeah, everybody's grandma gets drunk. Apparently on Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Well, our deer departed Grandma Mary, Emily's grandmother who was

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Speaker 3: the senior general in the this stuff you shoot an

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Speaker 3: army who passed away at the ripled age of one

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Speaker 3: hundred and one when she was in her nineties, Like

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Speaker 3: around Christmas, she would have a little Bailey's in her coffee.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just a little touch every now and then,

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Speaker 2: a little Christmas I ree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess Christmas time, I don't know equals

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I'm taking I mean, Holly ititen Miller's

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Speaker 2: the name of her recipe just says it all I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I asked Holly if there was a story

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Speaker 2: She doesn't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what I'll do, I'll through the magic

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Speaker 3: of editing. I'll pause and go get some ice. Oh okay,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll be right back. But to your ears.

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Speaker 3: I'll be back in like one second.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, do.

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Speaker 3: You okay, I'm back everybody. I have my shaker with ice. Josh,

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Speaker 3: why don't you read out the ingredients and I'll pour

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Speaker 3: them up.

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Speaker 2: Okay you ready? Yeah, prepare chuck. One shot of Captain

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Speaker 2: Morgan gingerbread rum.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the story here is this stuff is really

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Speaker 2: Do you remember I tried to get liquor delivered to

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Speaker 2: you as a condolence like a year ago, and it

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Speaker 3: I don't remember that, but yeah, you know what I

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Speaker 3: gave up. That's the thought that counts.

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Speaker 2: I kept texting you like, are you gonna be home

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Speaker 2: at six pm? Are you gonna be home at three

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Speaker 2: am tomorrow? Are you gonna be home at noon today?

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Speaker 3: Oh? No? Yeah? All right, So the gingerbread rum just

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Speaker 2: Oh it sounds delicious, but I could I could see that,

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Speaker 2: I also, I just want to make a little note here,

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Speaker 2: A shot is very ambiguous. You could make a court

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Speaker 2: A shot is another way of putting one part.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I I just use a standard

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Speaker 3: bar jigger. So whatever the big side.

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Speaker 2: all right, this is gonna be quite a Christmas episode.

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Speaker 2: The second ingredient, chuck, is one shot of Grand Marnier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you just heard the cork pop, the infamous.

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Speaker 2: Well hear it? Well, yeah, there's definitely two ounces.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm gonna drink all of this, all right,

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Speaker 3: what's next?

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Speaker 2: As much orange juice as you wish. I would strongly

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Speaker 2: Just do yourself a favor and squeeze at yourself. It's

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Speaker 3: All right. Well, can we pause so I can go

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Speaker 3: to the grocery store. Yes, now, I'm gonna open up

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Speaker 3: the old tropic anna that I just bought. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: great idea. And then do you have any ice on

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Speaker 3: That's what I got in the shaker.

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Speaker 3: Should have this upper on the rocks. Probably on the rocks,

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you got enough ice in there and

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Speaker 2: this is boozy enough to go up.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll see and then we're going to all wait

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh. I mean, the only reason I'm doing

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Speaker 3: Everybody a post production drum.

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Speaker 2: Roll, didn't.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not bad. I mean it is orange because

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it's it's definitely like a festive

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Speaker 2: Oh is it pretty boozy?

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Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty pretty, just sort of sweet. I

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Speaker 3: It could probably come through a little bit more so.

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Speaker 2: Or you could add more room.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's let's not get carried away here.

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Speaker 2: let's carry ourselves away to the next segment. And as

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Speaker 2: per Christmas tradition holiday show tradition, Jerry's going to add

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Speaker 2: some really nice Christmas y intersticial music. So take it away, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chuck, how are you feeling good?

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Speaker 3: And big thanks to Holly again for this for this drink.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're gonna teach everybody how to play dirty

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Speaker 2: Santa next. We're doing that with an assist from Nella

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Speaker 2: Bailey McGoff. I'm pretty sure I'll tell you say her

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Speaker 2: last name from Southern Living, who wrote a pretty top

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Speaker 2: notch article on how to play this why to play it,

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Speaker 2: And they even turned up what the origin of the name,

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Speaker 2: because it's got a bunch of different names. White Elephant,

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Speaker 2: apparently in the South were the ones who typically call

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Speaker 2: it dirty Santa.

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Speaker 3: Never heard of that.

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Speaker 2: You've never heard of dirty Santa, That's all I've ever

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Speaker 2: heard it. Well, aside from white.

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Speaker 3: Elephant, I've only heard white elephant in what.

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Speaker 2: About Yankee swap? That one's new to me.

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Speaker 3: No, I've never heard that. One only heard white elephant

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I've heard Dirty Sanna and white elephant, but regardless,

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Speaker 2: the white Elephant name seems to be the traditional name

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Speaker 2: and in the spirit basically of Secret Sanna, where everybody

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Speaker 2: nice and sweet. This is not well, it's not supposed

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Speaker 2: lot there's some twists to it that make it dirty.

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Speaker 3: That's right, because it involves the trading of gifts, which

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Speaker 3: we'll get to the rules in a second, it can well,

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Speaker 3: I'll mention that when we get to the trading part.

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Speaker 3: But okay, yeah, the origins is interesting because I never

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Speaker 3: it came from what is now Thailand, what was Siam

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Speaker 3: if he was annoyed, he might give someone an albino

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, But the key here was to the cordier

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Speaker 2: who received this gift. I mean, this is a lavish gift,

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Speaker 2: So it's a pretty sharp little idea that Jil Brenner

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Speaker 2: White Elephant, right, yeah, okay, So getting onto the modern

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Speaker 2: incarnation of it, I did not see who invented this.

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Speaker 2: I guess the King of Siam did, but the modern

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Speaker 2: incarnation I don't know where that came from. But there

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Speaker 2: are basically wherever you look up rules for the white

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Speaker 2: Elephant game, there's some that are just tried and true.

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Speaker 2: They're just you're going to find them in any set

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Speaker 2: of rules. One of the big ones is set a

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Speaker 2: dollar limit. Yeah, you don't want some person just showing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the whole idea here is to have fun.

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Speaker 3: Mean you can do house rules, of course or regional rules,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And usually a person can only be stolen from

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Speaker 2: So you can play strategically here. There's actually a gift

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if your gift is stolen, you can't steal it

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you got those whoope cushions. I say,

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Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. I mean I was thinking you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, two quick things one thing I wanted to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean you can go buy a

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Speaker 3: That's right. And the second thing I want to say,

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Speaker 2: Actually, would you add soda water to it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that sounds good. All right, Actually that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's like a red tinting like a high

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, definitely would. I have no idea what that

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Speaker 3: Point it would. It would be a little more festive

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Speaker 2: Oh it is actually orange.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's it for a white elephant. There is

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure? Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: They say that the mixture of gag gifts and gifts

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Speaker 3: Totally. I love it.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'd say we move on to let's go

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, which one do you want to do first?

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Speaker 3: You know what, Let's start with Italy because this is

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Speaker 3: stuff on Pizzel pizze or pizzelle Pizzelle.

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Speaker 2: I thought pizzello, Yeah, you just say it like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an Italian cookie that is enjoyed, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know them as Christmas. I didn't realize they

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Speaker 2: Italian that it shares a word with pizza. Yeah, PiZZ

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Speaker 2: which means round and flat, which is pretty impressive that

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Speaker 2: The L in pizzel means small and the ah in

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Speaker 3: Oh man, well done. That was pre thought of, I know,

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Speaker 3: not at all. Traditionally, black licorice or anise is the

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Speaker 3: These days, you can flavor it with whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: A lot of chocolate one's vanilla lemon's a very popular flavor.

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Speaker 2: Gingerbread.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, I could dip it in this punch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds good. I also saw a savory one lemon dill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw an Elk one, but that feels a

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Speaker 2: An Elk one? No, okay, because I was gonna say

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, sure, I get you. So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the old world way. And I imagine a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, picture of your grandma drunk at Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, and then you can eat that drunk face.

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Speaker 3: And then you cook those over an open flame, you know,

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Speaker 2: know if this is a recipe, but you just alternate

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00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 2: layers of pizzel, natella and whatever flavor ice cream you want.

439
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: To stack it as high as you can get your

440
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: mouth around, and there you go.

441
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 3: It sounds delicious.

442
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Plus also, I mean, like a fresh pizzelle out of

443
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: some hot iron sounds really really good. I mean even

444
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: a stale pizzel is still kind of good.

445
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 3: I don't think i've ever had one.

446
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: Oh really, you should order some. They're everywhere.

447
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I figure this time of year.

448
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, I would. I would treat yourself and do

449
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: you in a nice one, the traditional kind. It's actually

450
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: surprisingly good. I'm not crazy about a nie, but it's

451
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: it's good in this context. Okay, and then gets something

452
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: else that you know you're gonna like, like lemon or something.

453
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna see if there's a good Italian bakery

454
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: in Atlanta.

455
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: I'm sure you go. But I mean even if there's not,

456
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 2: I guarantee you can find these that like TJ Max

457
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: if you want to.

458
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: Like they're everywhere, right behind the blouse aisle.

459
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes mixed in with the blouses.

460
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: Oh all right, so that's the pizzel. Should we move

461
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 3: on to your le bouch de noel?

462
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I did not expect you to say it like that,

463
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: but nicely done.

464
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 3: How would you say it? What's the correct way? In

465
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 3: other words?

466
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: I mean you basically had it.

467
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: I think it's bouche.

468
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: I think so, But I know that bousch also is

469
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: is a mouth?

470
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

471
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. So I could be miss miss saying it.

472
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: It could be butchy.

473
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, butchy noel.

474
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: Right, and it's a yule log, but it's an edible

475
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: yule log, and it's a really closely identified with France.

476
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, uh, and it was not something you

477
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: would eat in the old school tradition in France. What happened.

478
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: It dates back to medieval times and you would get

479
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: a real log of wood, usually a fruit tree or

480
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: many times a fruit tree, and you would do that

481
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: to let's say you wanted like a good apple harvest

482
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: for the year to come, so you would use like

483
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: an apple branch or log. You bring it home, you

484
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: put that thing in the hearth, and the hearth is

485
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: sort of where the family hung out, so it's just

486
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: sort of the centerpiece there.

487
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there were I think this actually is

488
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: like a pagan right even that they would they would

489
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: light this and it was supposed to last from Christmas

490
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: through the New Year, so at least three days. If

491
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: it didn't burn for three days, you did it wrong

492
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: and your next year is going to suck. But if

493
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: you could at least make it three days, yeah, you

494
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: were probably going to choke to death on an apple

495
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: the following year if it didn't make it three days.

496
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: But if it makes it three days or longer, great,

497
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: And so to kind of game the system. Usually your

498
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: mule log would be like damp, like very green and

499
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: very large, because that wouldn't be the only thing you

500
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: were burning, like, you needed to cook, you needed to

501
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: keep warm, so you had fires going this whole time.

502
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: So you keep this log going for at least three

503
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: days it had to be of a certain type.

504
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not sure if we mentioned you lighted

505
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: on Christmas Eve, if you've really done your job well

506
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: and you picked out the perfect log, maybe soaked it

507
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 3: a little bit and gain the system. Like you said,

508
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 3: that thing might burn to the new year, and I

509
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 3: would guess the whole family just celebrates that that happens.

510
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the ashes even are were thought to prevent

511
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: lightning strikes, so you'd want to cover yourself in it

512
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: anytime you went out in a rainstorm. I'm guessing they

513
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: would use the coal and like medicinal preparations, all sorts

514
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: of stuff. Right, it was a big deal. The problem

515
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: is and our friend, well, I guess our online friend,

516
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: this person that whose article we came across, Lucy Rose

517
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: beyond brosche Brioche on frenchly dot com wrote a great

518
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: article about this, and Lucy Rose said that eventually, over time,

519
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: hearths just kind of started to disappear, Like so the

520
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: center of the house where the mule log used to

521
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: kind of do its thing at the end of the year,

522
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 2: lost its setting. So people still kind of followed this tradition,

523
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: but they would just set a log on the dinner

524
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: table and and just look at it. They didn't set

525
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: it on fire, so it lost a little something. And

526
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: then eventually somebody was like, hey, why don't we eat

527
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 2: that thing. Let's make an edible version of this and

528
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: eat it. And that's where the bouche de noel came from.

529
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: That's right. That happened sometime in the late eighteen hundreds.

530
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: Apparently a gentleman named Pierre la Com published the first

531
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 3: recipe for that in eighteen ninety, and it started spreading

532
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: around to other cultures, other cultures that either spoke French

533
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: or just dug what the French were into. And you know,

534
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: you make it like a jelly roll cake, but you've

535
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: got butter cream instead of the jelly, and you roll

536
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: it up and you frost it with a ganache of

537
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: some kind, and then you try to make it look

538
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: like bark, like use a fork and kind of scrape

539
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: along the outside to make it look a little more

540
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: like a log.

541
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. And sometimes, like the more modern ones, they'll come

542
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: in all sorts of colors or whatever, and they look

543
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: very sleek, like a Swiss cake roll essentially. But the

544
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: traditional bouche de noel is like you can really kind

545
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: of go to town with it, not just making that

546
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: bark effect, but you could make additional smaller jelly roll

547
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: cakes that you roll up and make us like branches

548
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: coming off of it. Some people go to the trouble

549
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: of making meringue or marzipan mushrooms like little toadstools growing

550
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: out of it.

551
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: Cute.

552
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is super cute, Like a really well done

553
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: bouch to noel is adorable, so much so that you

554
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: don't really want to eat it, but from the description

555
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: of the ingredients, I would eat it anyway.

556
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

557
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: And there's actually it's not that hard to make. And

558
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: there's some recipes that Lucy Rose recommends. There's one from

559
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: a leg grun Wheel, which is a legendary French restaurant

560
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: in New York. They had one published in the New

561
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: York Times in nineteen eighty two. Then the other one

562
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: she recommended came from Jacques Pepin. His classic bouche to.

563
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: Noel doesn't get any better than jacqu papin.

564
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: No And while you're out at those bakeries looking for pizzelle,

565
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: try a French bakery and see if they have a

566
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: bouche to noel. And if they don't, but you really

567
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: want to try it. They saw them online too.

568
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, I'm looking at some of these online. These

569
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: are really lovely.

570
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really are. Don't they look cool? Like do

571
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: you see any with the toadstools?

572
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: I see the toadstools, I see the little forked bark.

573
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: Those look nice. But I see someone who somehow managed

574
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: to make it look like real pine bark. That looks

575
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: really great.

576
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, somebody with the right kind of fork

577
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: could really go to So let's move on. Huh.

578
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: All right? So those, yeah, those are the two confections.

579
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: And so we're gonna hop in our slate we're gonna

580
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: ride around up in the stratosphere atmosphere. Where are we

581
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: up there?

582
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: I think the stratosphere right along the edge of space.

583
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, And we will be right back after a

584
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: little Christmas.

585
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Chuir, okay, Chuck, So we're talking. I think now we're

586
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: gonna move on to a segment on Christmas trees in

587
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: the White House. That's right, those of you who don't

588
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: live in the United States, the White House is where

589
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: the president lives.

590
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: That's right, And generally the president's family lives there, depending

591
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: on like how all the kids are and stuff like that,

592
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: for sure, But there are a lot of traditions over

593
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: the years. We're not you know, you can go to

594
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: White House dot gov under the Christmas stuff if you

595
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: want to look at all these. But I feel like

596
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: we should maybe concentrate on a few of the more

597
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: fun ones.

598
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

599
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: The first Christmas tree in the White House that anyone

600
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: knows about was in the second floor Oval Room, which

601
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: was a family parlor and library in eighteen eighty nine,

602
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: which was the Benjamin Harrison administration, and they used real

603
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: candles to delight the grandchildren.

604
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently, so that was eighteen eighty nine. And I

605
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: think electricity was brought to the lighthouse two years later.

606
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: The lighthouse yet, Yeah, I said the White House, didn't.

607
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: I you said lighthouse. But I love that it made

608
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: it light.

609
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Well, white is a light like Keler. It's the absence

610
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: of color, actually so. But electricity was brought to the

611
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: White House in eighteen ninety one, and yeah, thirty plus

612
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: forty something years later, Fdr Franklin Delano Roosevelt still celebrated

613
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: with a Christmas tree lit with candles.

614
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, despite the danger, I think, like you said, eighteen

615
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: ninety one, was electricity, and three years later Grover Cleveland

616
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: had the first electrically lit tree. But you know, Teddy Roosevelt,

617
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: that guy was old school. If he was nothing.

618
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: Else, well that was Franklin Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt has his

619
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: own interesting story.

620
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: Oh Franklin, of course he's an older school Yeah. But yeah,

621
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: Teddy supposedly banned Christmas trees. That is a bit of

622
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: a I think it's just been twisted a bit over

623
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: the years. I don't think he banned them. He just

624
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: it was not a part of their family tradition to

625
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: have a tree, so he did not.

626
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I mean, that's it. There's apparently a

627
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: huge misunderstanding over the years that he was such a conservationist.

628
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: I guess historians retroactively reasoned that the reason there wasn't

629
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: Christmas trees during his administration was because he didn't want

630
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: them cut down. But the answer is they just didn't

631
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: celebrate with the Christmas tree. That wasn't their jam, which

632
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: is pretty typical at the time. I mean, people having

633
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: a Christmas tree in your house, you know, when you

634
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: celebrate Christmases. Fairly modern, certainly way more modern than the

635
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: turn of the last century.

636
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it wasn't like everybody was doing it. Although

637
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: in nineteen oh two Archie Roosevelt did sneak a little

638
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: small tree, hid it in the closet upstairs, even decorated

639
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: it and showed his family and Teddy Roosevelt did not

640
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: say get that infernal thing out of here. Apparently he

641
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: liked it and said, all right, well the tree can stay.

642
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: Yes, which is sweet, you know.

643
00:32:59,480 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: Sure.

644
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: And then there was also a record that was set

645
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: by Dwight D. Eisenhower in the fifties, I think in

646
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty nine for the greatest number of Christmas trees

647
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: in the White House at one time, and he really

648
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: macked it out with twenty six Christmas trees in the

649
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 2: White House. And for years and years and years, no

650
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: one even tried to beat Eisenhower's record until I think,

651
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: what was it nineteen ninety when the George W. Bush

652
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: administration blew it out of the water.

653
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, I'm going to take down that record,

654
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: read my lips hey, great impression, it was so.

655
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: So, But how many trees did he have?

656
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: He brought in forty seven, just bleue Eisenhower out of

657
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: the water. The Clintons had thirty two, also beating Eisenhower

658
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 3: in ninety five, and the younger Bush said, I'm going

659
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: to beat Daddy.

660
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: He did.

661
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: He brought in two more trees than Dad.

662
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Obama said, nice, try watch us beer. Yeah,

663
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: sixty two trees in twenty fifteen. And if you look

664
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: at all of these different, different competing numbers of trees,

665
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: these records just being broken and beaten and tossed and

666
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: dashed over the rocks. They all had themes. I think

667
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: Clinton's had. It was the night before Christmas. The first

668
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: Bush had a nutcracker ballet theme. The Obamas had timeless tradition,

669
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: the second Bush head home for the holidays. They all

670
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: had themes, and they were actually following in a tradition

671
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: set by Jackie Kennedy back in nineteen sixty one, who

672
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: created the first theme Christmas that the Christmas trees were

673
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: decorated with, again, nutcracker.

674
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine, but it was the first one, so

675
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: technically I guess she started the nutcracker theme. Sure, as

676
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: all themes, but that wasn't the first tree in the

677
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: Blue Room, that is traditionally where the official tree is

678
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: now in the Blue Room. That started in nineteen twelve

679
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: when Robert Helen and Charlie Taft, the children of William Howard,

680
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: put that very first tree in the Blue Room, and

681
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: they have a competition now internationally, you have to win

682
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: the state competition first to qualify to see if your

683
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: tree can be the tree in the Blue Room. And

684
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: we're just going to go over a few of these

685
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: leading states now because far and away, well not that

686
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: far and away, but North Carolina has had the most

687
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: trees since nineteen sixty one in the Blue Room with thirteen.

688
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how recent this stat is, but

689
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: I know that North Carolina was chosen again kind of

690
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: as a nod to the battering by Hurricane Helene. This year,

691
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: President Biden, I think chose one from western North Carolina

692
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: Cartner's Tree Farm in Newland, North Carolina was the one

693
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: who is sending the White House Christmas tree this year.

694
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: That's right, and surely not a sympathy pick, because like

695
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: I said, North Carolina pumps out some great trees as

696
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: they are in the lead. Pennsylvania's in second with eleven.

697
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: Then you have with Wisconsin with eight, to Washington State

698
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: with seven, West Virginia with four, and then basically other

699
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: states with two or one.

700
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one that was anonymously donated from New England.

701
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: It sounds suspicious.

702
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: And if you're wondering what kinds of trees, far and

703
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: away fur trees lead with fifty two, there have been

704
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: seven spruces and one pine.

705
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: That's the one that's coming out of Cartner's this year too,

706
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: a Fraser fur.

707
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: Oh first, so it'll be I guess that'll be the

708
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: fifty third.

709
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, white House dot gov needs to get on this.

710
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, update your side already.

711
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it for White House Christmas trees. Huh.

712
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: I think that that was a pleasant little journey, thank you,

713
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: through a political minefield. That's right, Okay, Chuck, it's next,

714
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: next up. I'm pretty psyched we're gonna do another two

715
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: first segment, aren't we.

716
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, we're gonna hit these Christmas movies.

717
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: Yes, but first, how about some more jolly music from

718
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 2: our friend Jerry.

719
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: All right, everyone, we're back and we're gonna finish up

720
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: with a couple of Christmas movies. Well, one a TV

721
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: special on one not just a Christmas movie, but the

722
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: er Christmas movie. Yeah, you are right, I don't know

723
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: how you spell it?

724
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: You do? You are? It's like a reference to a

725
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: city in Sumeri or Mesopotamia or something like that, like

726
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: one of the first cities.

727
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: Oh look at you, mister smarty pants er. Yeah, we're

728
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: talking about the first Christmas movies. Shocking stat here, Over

729
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty new holiday movies are produced annually.

730
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: Yet ninety eight percent of them from Hallmark.

731
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: Probably so or that may be a real stat. Actually

732
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: knows it is.

733
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: They shoot two a days, is what they call them.

734
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 2: They complete two films from scratch in a day.

735
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: They should just re dress people and recast them and

736
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: just be like, all right, your Bill the local sheriff

737
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: in this one, and you're Johnny the local diner owner

738
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: in this one.

739
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: Right Wait, I thought I was Johnny in this one. No,

740
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: just shut up, wear this.

741
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: But if you're thinking like, oh, it's a wonderful life,

742
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: no no, no, that's the forties. If you're thinking, all right,

743
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: March of the Wooden Soldiers, no no, that's nineteen thirty four.

744
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: Sure you have to go all the way back to

745
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: the very earliest days of putting anything on film to

746
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: find the inspiration that would lead to the first Christmas movie.

747
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out that we're going all the way

748
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: back to the eighteen nineties, but we should go back

749
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: a little before then in France. France, apparently, I didn't

750
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: know this was like the er center of filmmaking. Did

751
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: you know that that that's where it originally kind of

752
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: came out of.

753
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: Sure, the Lumire Brothers.

754
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so them. There was a guy named Louis Le

755
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: Prince who is considered as having filmed the first serve

756
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: for the oldest surviving motion picture, which you've probably seen before.

757
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: I know you have. I'm saying you the listener. It's

758
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: a horse running and it almost looks like a flip book.

759
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: It's that primitive. Yeah, and it's referenced. Actually, have you

760
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: seen that movie? Nope?

761
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure, remember.

762
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: When they when they show up on the set, they

763
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: kind of give that spiel about their family and the horses,

764
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: and they say that that was their an sister. That's

765
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: what they're talking about, is that it's just a two

766
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: second long shot of a horse running a person with

767
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: a jockey on it.

768
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: I'd like to see that again.

769
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: Nope, or that two second long shot?

770
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: No, wait, all right, I just watched the horse thing again, No,

771
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: I'd like to see Nope again. I saw that in

772
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: the theater, but I haven't seen it since, and I

773
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: quite enjoyed it.

774
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty good, all right.

775
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: So that two and two point one second horse running

776
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: first thing. A lot of films that followed didn't have

777
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: a narrative yet. They were just literally people were amazed

778
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: that they could just see something moving on film. Hm.

779
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: The Lamaher Brothers very famously, and they ten ninety six

780
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: had a fifty second clip of a train coming right

781
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: toward the screen, probably the first and last time a

782
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: train didn't go through a tunnel to indicate intercourse.

783
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they hadn't figured that out quite yet. That

784
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 2: was the next year probably.

785
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: That's right. But then the first Christmas movie came just

786
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: a few years later, right, just.

787
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: Two years later after that fifty second clip was called

788
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: the Arrival of a Train. It really gets across what

789
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: you're watching. But it's just two years after that a

790
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: guy named George Albert Smith became the creator of the

791
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: very first Christmas movie uncontested, No when it ever made

792
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: a Christmas movie before until George Albert Smith came along

793
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: and put seventy six seconds of goodness on film.

794
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: That's right, it's called Santa Claus. It's a pretty groundbreaking

795
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: film at the time. I guess almost anything you did

796
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: would be groundbreaking at the time.

797
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this he was showing off almost.

798
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: No, I agree, had some pretty decent special effects. It's

799
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: the story of Santa, a very simple story, obviously seventy

800
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: six seconds, but it's Santa visiting the home of two

801
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: kids on Christmas Eve. You can watch it on YouTube.

802
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 3: It only takes seventy six seconds plus some dumb ad

803
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: but you see two kids checking the chimney for Santa

804
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: before the either mom or the nanny or somebody puts

805
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: them to bed. They turn off the lights and then

806
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: the room is dark, and then all of a sudden

807
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: pops up. The first little special effect is on the

808
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: right side of the screen, a little circular image of

809
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: the rooftop, like an insert almost within the film frame itself,

810
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: where you see Santa climbing down a chimney but really

811
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: just walking down some stairs disguised as a chimney.

812
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And then like once he gets into the

813
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: chimney or out of that additional shot that's showing him

814
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: on the rooftop, all of a sudden he's in the

815
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: kid's room, and it's like an editing cut, but also

816
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: it was edited just a little early, are a little late,

817
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 2: so that you can see him coming through the black curtain. Yeah,

818
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: that he's suddenly appearing from. But again, we're talking eighteen

819
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: ninety eight, and people were just amazed by this kind

820
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: of stuff. And then Santa while the kids are sleeping,

821
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: he puts little little goodies in their stocking and he

822
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: waves goodbye, and then all of a sudden, poof, he's

823
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: gone again. And I mean, like, even watching it now,

824
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, that was pretty cool. I can't imagine being

825
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: alive in eighteen ninety eight and seeing that and just

826
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: being like, oh my god.

827
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait.

828
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: Till Polar Express comes out.

829
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: Movie I still haven't seen.

830
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: I haven't either.

831
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 3: Oh, let's let's keep it that way. Let's promise, let's

832
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: do a blood oath. Let's see that.

833
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: I think we also we talked about that in the

834
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: Uncanny Valley episode.

835
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: Oh sure we had to have.

836
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

837
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: I will say this about Santa Claus the seventy six

838
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 3: second film, given that most movies from this era look

839
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 3: pretty creepy, and given that every Santa from this era

840
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: looks really creepy. Yeah, this Santa creeping through the room

841
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: over these children. I was ready for this thing to

842
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: just make my hair stand on end. And it wasn't

843
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: that bad. A little bit of creep but it was

844
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: actually had a little sweetness to it.

845
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little slim for a Santa. I

846
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: think that that added to the creepiness. But yeah, no,

847
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: he was nowhere near the creepiest Santa of his time.

848
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: But we don't know who this guy is, right, No,

849
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: he was uncredited. So the first Santa Claus on screen,

850
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: the first person to play Santa Claus on screen, No

851
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: one knows. We probably never know.

852
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: It's not Tim Allen. I know that.

853
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: No, and shout out to Justin Childress on edgelnd today

854
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: who helped us with this, did some great research and

855
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: made a nice little article.

856
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: All right, how are we going to wrap it up?

857
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh?

858
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 3: Wait, we need to get in our sleigh first.

859
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, here we go up.

860
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: In the old sled and let's go.

861
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Chuck, did do do do do do do do?

862
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: Do?

863
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: Did it work?

864
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: Josh has been giving me the earworm for sixteen years

865
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 3: on the rag.

866
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: It just it works really well.

867
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: All right, So now I'm annoyed. So let's talk about

868
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: the sweetest Christmas special of all time.

869
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: It is sweetest and it did you watch it?

870
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: Of course?

871
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So in nineteen eighty two, Christmas Time nineteen eighty two,

872
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: it was a there was a cavalcade of familiar characters

873
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: who made their debut in Christmas specials. Right. You had

874
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: pac Man with the classic Christmas Comes to pack Land. Yeah,

875
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: so I think, good, this Murf Christmas special, which actually

876
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: is quite good, I.

877
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: Was too ultra Smurf.

878
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 2: So I went back and watched it like last week

879
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: or a couple of days ago, and I was like,

880
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 2: this is pretty good.

881
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: Pretty good, all right?

882
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: And then far and away the best of the bunch

883
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: that came out in nineteen eighty two, and among the

884
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: top ever Christmas TV specials, if you ask me, was

885
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Ziggy's Gift, which is, like you said, incredibly sweet.

886
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: That's right. Ziggy is the comic strip character Ziggy, the

887
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: little short bald. How old is Ziggy?

888
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: That was one of my question timeless ageless?

889
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: I mean, is it supposed to be a grown up? Though?

890
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's not a kid.

891
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: Okay. I couldn't tell because I wasn't into Ziggy, But

892
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: did you know some Ziggy research and looked back at

893
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: some of the comics, and you know, Ziggy was beloved

894
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: because Ziggy was great, and Ziggy was sweet, and Ziggy

895
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 3: was joyful, and Ziggy was not cynical. Uh, Ziggy lived

896
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: with a dog and a parrot. And you might find

897
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 3: a Ziggy comic strip that was just a little rye joke,

898
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: or you might find a Ziggy comic that is literally

899
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: just Ziggy smiling and looking at you and say hello.

900
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so he was like indefatigable even though basically

901
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 2: his entire life went wrong at every turn. Yeah, and

902
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: he like he could be affected by that. He was

903
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: put off, he was mad. He wasn't like he was

904
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: some sort of smiling automaton. But he returned back to

905
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: his like upbeat outlook on life very quickly, like that

906
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: was his default setting. And just reading Ziggy cartoons, it's

907
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: like it does it to you, you know, it really

908
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: brings it out.

909
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

910
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: And so Ziggy had been around since I think in

911
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: the paper since nineteen seventy and it built up like

912
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: a pretty good audience by nineteen eighty two, so it's

913
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: a big deal. When Ziggy was coming to TV, Tom Wilson,

914
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: the creator of Ziggy, did a bunch of interviews with

915
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: different newspapers and everybody was quite excited that Ziggy was

916
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: having his own Christmas special.

917
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and he really pulled out all the

918
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: stops because not only is it a Christmas Special and

919
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: animated Christmas special, but it was one that really took

920
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: the time with the artistry to just knock it out

921
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: of the park. A typical half hour animated special at

922
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: the time I had about thirty five thousand drawings. Ziggy's

923
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: Gift had close to one hundred and forty thousand drawings.

924
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: They usually have about fifty rough sketches to sort of

925
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: map out the story. There were twelve hundred per Ziggy's Gift.

926
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: And for all of this effort, a you got an

927
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: animated special that for the time again when you look

928
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: back now, really good, smooth, outstanding animation. And it won

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00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: the Primetime Emmy for Outstanding Animated Program that year.

930
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah beat Garfield beat.

931
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: The Smurfs, Take that Smurfs.

932
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it beat Charlie Brown twice, two different Charlie Brown specials.

933
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 3: Good grief, there was just no.

934
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: Chance that anybody was going to beat Ziggy's gift that year. Yeah.

935
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: And also not just the animation, I mean, like people

936
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: like animation busts are like this is a classic masterpiece

937
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: of animation. But the plot too was really good. Like

938
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: the thing seems longer than twenty two minutes, not like

939
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: it drags. They just packed a lot into this twenty

940
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: two minutes, even though it just kind of takes its

941
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: own time. That's great. It's pretty funny in a lot

942
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: of places, it's sweet throughout, and all this kind of

943
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: came together and formed this perfect, sweet, little twenty two

944
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: minute Christmas special.

945
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. When it came time to make the special,

946
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: they were like, what do we do with Ziggy's voice? Like,

947
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: how do we cast this iconic silent character, because you

948
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: can really ruin, like a comic strip character come to

949
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 3: life if you don't get the voice right. Yeah, and

950
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: so they decided not to use a voice at all,

951
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: which was brilliant. And apparently that came from Wilson's daughter Hugh,

952
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: who a few years before said that the reason it's

953
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: hard to find a voice for Ziggy is because when

954
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: you read Ziggy, you hear your own voice.

955
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: Out of the mouths of babes, you know.

956
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: Amazing. She was thirty two at the time.

957
00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 2: But that's great. So yeah, the whole thing came together

958
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: to make this really great Christmas special. But what's puzzling

959
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: about it is it didn't become an enduring classic, Like

960
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: the latest I could see on good old newspapers dot

961
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: Com was nineteen eighty six. That's when the TV listings

962
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: for Ziggy's Gift around December just dried up. But the

963
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: great thing about it, and the reason why we're doing

964
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: this we're covering Ziggy's Gift is there's like a couple

965
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 2: of generations out there who don't even know this exists, Yeah,

966
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: and are going to be so happy to find this

967
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: sweet little Christmas special that I hope everybody who's listening

968
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: who's never seen it really enjoys. And if you have

969
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: seen it, it's been a little while, if it's been

970
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: a day, doesn't matter, go watch it again because it

971
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: just gets you every time.

972
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and get your what would Ziggy Do? T? Shirt

973
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: printed up.

974
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing too. You could really get into

975
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: Ziggy after watching that. And there's a lot of great

976
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: like vintage Ziggy stuff like stickers of Ziggy catching a

977
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: rainbow in a butterfly, that kind of stuff.

978
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you could, you know, get ziggy with it.

979
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: Very nice. There's no way to end this better than

980
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: that choke.

981
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: It's my last bad joke of the year.

982
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: So let's get a little more Christmas music in and

983
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: then we'll wish everybody Merry Christmas and happy holidays. How

984
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: about that.

985
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: Let's do it all right? Well, that is it for

986
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 3: the Christmas Special this year. We want to wish everyone

987
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 3: a very merry Christmas or marry and happy holiday of

988
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: your choice, however you choose to celebrate. Yeah, we're Christmas guys,

989
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: so that's what we do around here, and I'm wishing

990
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: you and Umi and Momo a very merry Christmas, and

991
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: Jerry and Dave and Libya and Dave and Kyle and

992
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: who else Ben.

993
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole crew, and back at you too. Merry

994
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: Christmas to you and Ruby and Emily for sure.

995
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks man, and of course with Jerry her lovely

996
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: wife and daughter as well.

997
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: Yep, So merry Christmas to all of you, Happy Holidays

998
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: to all of you from everybody here. It's stuff you

999
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: should know. We hope. It's a great one for you

1000
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: and go watch Siggy's gift and feel love. Merry Christmas, Everybody.

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