1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Thank you again for joining me another week for It's 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: a Numbers Game with Ryan Gurdusky. I want to ask 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: you to like and subscribe to this podcast on Apple 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: Podcasts or where you get listening to your podcast, the 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. And I want to start this week by 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: just acknowledging and taking a second for the horrible airline 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: tragedy in Washington, DC that occurred a lot of people 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: lost their lives, and I hope that you can just 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: keep them in your thoughts in prayers. With all the 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: heavy news that came out in January, I want to 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: talk with something lighter and look towards February. You know, 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: it's our shortest month. It's Black History Month, President's Day, 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, but it's a really big month for pop culture. 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: February starts off with the Grammy Awards on February second, 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: which is the highest prize for music artists. Then they 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: have the Super Bowl the week after, and then at 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: the very beginning of March, which is technically still February, 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: since it's the shortest month, you have the Academy Awards. 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: So I thought we'd take a break from politics for 20 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: one week and look at pop culture. Kicking off the 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: show this week is my first River Page. River is 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: a reporter for the Free Press. He wrote a fantastic 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: review of the Oscar nominated movie Amelia Perez, and I 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: thought I would have him on for some pop culture topics. River, 25 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: thanks for being on the show. 26 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me, Ryan. 27 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: So I want to start off with talking about the 28 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: Academy Awards, which you wrote about, which are on March second, 29 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: as I said, and those of the people who haven't 30 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: who have been following, there's ten nominees for Best Picture. 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: They are Anora, The Brutalist, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, Dune, 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Amelia Perez, I'm Still Here, the Nickel Boys, The Substance, 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: and Wicked. Now, because this is a data podcast, I 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: want to start off with a piece of data. Of 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: the ten movies that have been nominated for Best Picture, 36 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: they have made a total of one point seven billion 37 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: dollars worldwide. But that's only because two movies, Wicked and 38 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: Dune Part two made one point four billion dollars. That's 39 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: really not a lot of money for like movies. So 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: my first question for you is, like, why is the 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Academy so heavily like nominating a bunch of art house 42 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: movies that not a lot of people are watching. 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: Well, they've sort of always done this. I think it's 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: a it's a bit of snobbishness. I don't completely think 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: it's a bad thing. You know, I don't want I 46 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: don't know the Peppa Pig movie or whatever nominated for 47 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: Best Picture. You know, they usually throw in a blockbuster 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: to like Wicked in this case. 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: Last year they had Oppenheimer and Barbie, which were big movies. 50 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: They had Top Gun, Elvis and Avatar the year before. 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: There are big movies nominated a bunch of times this 52 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: movie this year, lots of movies about either trainees or 53 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: people who don't have or what was in concrete spoiler 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: they don't have jen afroditeite situation. Yeah, there's a lot 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: of that going on. 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always the topic of the day. They love 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: like a SOB story and like it's usually they like 58 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: a political thing, but it's it's like very liberal. It's 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: not quite leftists, like for instance, the Amelia Perez thing Glad, 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: which is like the evil like gay rights watchdog, like 61 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: professional you know, snarkers or whatever. They hated Amelia Perez. 62 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: It's actually come out that the transactress who plays the 63 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: Mexican drug lord who becomes trans and Amelia Perez has 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: made a bunch of tweets saying that like Muslims should 65 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: be banned from Europe. 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: And like she has praised Hitler. Hitler just had opinions 67 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: on the Jews like she was she just she just 68 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: she just got rid of her Twitter account like today 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: because she she has some spicy tweets on World War Two, 70 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: you wrote in the Free For those who don't know 71 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: what we were talking about, you wrote in the Free Press, 72 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: you described the movie as a quote Spanish language musical 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: about a transgender Mexican drug lord and her girl boss 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: of attorney. That is doesn't sound like it's when that 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: people are breaking their doors down to see. 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: No, they're not. It did so badly it barely even 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: released in the United States. It did so badly in 78 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: Mexico that a government like consumer protection agency had to 79 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: get involved to get people their ticket refunds because so 80 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: many people were requesting though, really, yeah, that's so fun. 81 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: It did really badly. It was hated by audiences. A 82 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: lot of critics didn't even like it, but the Academy 83 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: seems to love it, which isn't totally in line with them. 84 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: They love picking up these sort of like sad sap 85 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: movies with you know, liberal politics that are sort of 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: five years behind wherever Twitter is. This is just what 87 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: they do. They've been doing it for years. 88 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: Do you do you think so? Some one of our 89 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: mutual friends said, hollywoo Wood is like Detroit on a hill, 90 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: Like it's just dead. It's a dead city. Is that 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: what this? Because they could have I mean I don't 92 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: really I saw a few movies this year, but they 93 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: could have done something better, Like I'm sure there was 94 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: a better crop to pick from, even from the streaming 95 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: movies or must have been a better one. Is it 96 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: just that they had, Like there's a lot of money 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: and engines that go into like getting a nominated movie 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: for Best Picture stuff. Is that just what it was? 99 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: Or is that like, well, there's three types of movies 100 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: that are made today. It's like blockbusters for the Chinese 101 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: middle class. It's sort of like weird can't focus, made 102 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: for streaming like made to watch on your phone, sort 103 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: of Netflix trash. And then there are like art house 104 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: movies that are bad, but like they're they're bad in 105 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: a way that you're supposed to feel smart for watching them, 106 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: like conclaves like this, it's a terrible, boring slog, but 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: you feel like you're a smart person for sitting through 108 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: three hours of it. 109 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 110 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: There was what movie was it that was like three 111 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: and a half hours long that I was like, oh, 112 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: I kind of want to see this. And I looked 113 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: at this brutalless brutalist and they're like, it's three and 114 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: a half hours long, and I was like, what's it about? 115 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: And they're like the guy who made brutalist architecture. I'm like, 116 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: who is gonna watch that movie? 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 118 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: Three and a half. I can't. I can't do that. 119 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: I went and last year or the year before, I 120 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: can't remember. I saw Killers of the Flower Moon in theaters. 121 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: Martin Scorsese is four hours long, and to watch that 122 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: in theaters is so brutal. I didn't bring a jacket. 123 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: I was like shivering in the movie theater because I 124 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: was in South Florida. They keep everything like sixty five 125 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: degrees inside there. I had to pee so bad. But 126 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: I was like there's no intermission, yeah, and I was 127 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: like this is this is just too much. I mean, 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: it was good because Martin Scorsese is good, but I mean, yeah, 129 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: he needs an editor, so to be a top two hours, 130 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: it's as much as I can handle. 131 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: He's he's he's at the point in his career where 132 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: he doesn't like no one demands some edit his movie. 133 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: Because even like To the Party, which is like my 134 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies of all time, would have 135 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: been great if it was twenty minutes shorter, and I 136 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: was like, this is it's still a master it's amazing, 137 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: but like we didn't need the last twenty minutes. We 138 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: just didn't need them. And but you can't say Martin Scorsese. No. 139 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: A couple of these movies like whoever means the Brutalist, 140 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: it's not Martin Scorsese. So like I'm sure a four 141 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: hour movie or three and a half hour movie was 142 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: too much. And then as far as like the actors 143 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: who are nominated, A lot of them I'm not like 144 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: super familiar with, but there's not a lot of There's 145 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Demi Moore, who is she's nominated for her first award ever. 146 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: I think she's never been nominated before for her movie 147 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: which was like a horror movie about like a body. 148 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: Of business, substance, which I loved, did you a lot 149 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: of people hated, But yeah, it's about this. To me, 150 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: Moore is this aging pilates instructors, sort of like a 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: Jane Fonda character, like TV pilates instructor who gets aged 152 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: out and takes this the substance, which basically turns her 153 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: into Margaret Quayle, who is like a young hot actress, 154 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: and so she has an alter ego she has she 155 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: can only spend one week as each person, and if 156 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: you disrupt the balance and try to spend more time 157 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: as your younger self, you like slowly become this like 158 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: weird monster. It's very campy. It's really it's stupid, Like 159 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: the entire concept is stupid, but it's it's very campy 160 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: and fun. I'm kind of surprised that it was nominated 161 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: for an Oscar honestly because it's. 162 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: I think it's her lifetime. 163 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: She means award. 164 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: I think that's basically what it is. Like, Hey, you 165 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: you've you've lived, you're sixty, you're still got a career, 166 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: and like, let's give you an award for something because 167 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: you make. 168 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: It's like we regret not giving you, you know, award 169 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: for g I Jane or whatever. So we're gonna do this. Yeah, yeah, I'm. 170 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: A sport, although I did say probably get bad, but 171 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, not like strip teas, but like maybe 172 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: one of the other like ghosts. I don't know, like 173 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: you like you made it, You're still around, like you're 174 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: still relative. Swells has got Alzheimer's, Like, you know, he's 175 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: your ex husband. Let's give you an award just because 176 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: we should. And then I saw the Kieran Culkin movie, 177 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: which was incredibly boring, but I'm a big fan of his, 178 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: so I kind of hope that he wins. Do you 179 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: have any opinion of who you think would win. 180 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 2: For Best Actor or best hope and think that Sebastian 181 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: stan might win. 182 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: What movie was he in? 183 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: He played Trump in The Apprentice, which is the movie 184 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: about relationship with Roy Moore. I actually really liked it. 185 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: It was I mean, of course, it's, you know, a 186 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 2: hit piece because it portrays Trump raping his ex wife, 187 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: which she alleged in divorce proceedings and later retracted. I 188 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: wrote a piece a review of this on the Free Press, 189 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: but I thought that it humanized Trump in a way 190 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: that I wasn't really expecting. Really from a movie with 191 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: its politics, and it really was more just about like 192 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: the relationship between Trump and roy Cone, and I just 193 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: find roy Cone to be like an endlessly fascinating figure. 194 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that like Trump will like loom over 195 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: entertainment in the next four years like he did over 196 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: the last four years. 197 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 4: I don't. 198 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: I think a lot of these people are burned out, 199 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: Like there just hasn't been you know, if you think 200 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: about what it was like in you know, January of 201 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, like it was so much more hysterical, Like 202 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: there's still some hysteria, but it was so so much worse. 203 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are like, we've been 204 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: through Trump, we know what we're. 205 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: Dealing with, and there's only one just don't have the. 206 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: Bandwidth for it anymore, and he has a mandate. I mean, 207 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: you can only I mean, I'm sure you'll still have 208 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: some terrible libtard movies that come out, but I don't 209 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,239 Speaker 2: think it's going to have a complete domination over the culture. 210 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: You can even look at something like SNL, which you 211 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: know it's still has a liberal bent, but it at 212 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: least they have somebody who like can do a convincing 213 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: Trump now and like actually makes funny jokes and like 214 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like there at the very least, 215 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 2: like people are still like willing to laugh. 216 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: Her. 217 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: Santa Glam has deleted her crying video, which she would 218 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: not have done for you. They'd all be crying videos 219 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: right now. And the fact that she deleted her crying 220 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: video was like a lot. 221 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: No, they would have like awarded her at the Kennedy 222 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: Senator like eight years ago. Yeah, see you so do you? 223 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: Who do you think it would win for Best Picture? Then? 224 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: I heard of Nora is Good movie. I didn't see it, 225 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: though I've heard it. 226 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: I've heard of Nora is Good. I haven't seen it either. 227 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: I think that Amelia well, actually Amelia Perez made I 228 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: don't know. It's the voting already been done. I don't 229 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: know how this works. 230 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's for another month. I think three 231 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: weeks run over. I don't know. I don't know the 232 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: answer to this. 233 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Nancy stuff made us. 234 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. 235 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: I think has a good. 236 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Chance doesn't go well, yeah. 237 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'll. If it's not Amelia Perez, I 238 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: think it'll probably be conclave. 239 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, Well we're going to talk about the 240 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: Grammys next. Before we do, we're going to take a 241 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned. The 242 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: Grammys are being held on February second after this podcast 243 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: is released, but before we're taping it, so we don't 244 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: know the winners are yet, and the big nominees are 245 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: Charlie XCX. She's got an album called Bratt Billy Eilish, 246 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: The Rise and Fall of the Midwest, Princess by Chapel Rone, 247 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: Tortured Poet Society by Taylor Swift, and Cowboy Carter by Beyonce. 248 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Now let me give you guys a little data to chew. 249 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: One Dance is the most Grammy Award winning artist of 250 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: all time. She has won thirty two awards. She's had 251 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: ninety nine nominations, but she has never won the coveted 252 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: Album of the Year awards, spite being nominated five previous times. 253 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: This is her sixth nomination and River what frustrates me 254 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: a little bit about like And I'm not a Beyonce 255 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: like fan, per se. I don't hate her, but I 256 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: don't really care. But every time she doesn't win this award, 257 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: we have a national conversation about how America is racist 258 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: because she doesn't have another trophy and what are your feelings? 259 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: Are they right because as she doesn't have her Album 260 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: of the Year award. 261 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: No, they're not. 262 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah, this happens constantly. I think it's 263 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: it's because of her fan base, which is like or 264 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: at least her online like hardcore, the Beayhive as they 265 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: call it. It's like thirty five year old black woman 266 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: with master's degrees and like the most psychotic gig guy 267 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: you know. And that's who's who's bullying the Grammys and everybody. 268 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: You know, Cowboy Carter, Yeah, crashing and it's it's trash. 269 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: It sucks. She so word on the Street I'm gonna 270 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 2: do by w Wendy Williams. Now word on the street 271 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: is that she, like a decade ago, Beyonce performed at 272 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: the CMA Awards with the Dixie Chicks right and got 273 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: a very icy reception that she took very personally, which 274 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: by the way, it was probably an icy reception war 275 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: to the Dixie Chicks and then to her right. But 276 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: she apparently was so offended by this that she was like, 277 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: one day We're going to make a country album and 278 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: now she has and it's not good. Balt's mats some 279 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: good music, like if you play like crazy in love 280 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 2: or whatever, like in the club at you know, yeah, 281 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't hate it. People still love it. 282 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great, yea. 283 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: Some good nice club hits. But it's not a good 284 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: country album, but pro album. It's like somewhere weird in between. 285 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: She covered Uh, Dolly Parker Joline, but then she was like, 286 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: don't take my man. I'm like, who's coming for jay Z? 287 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: Girl? 288 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: Like especially now to jar Jar Binks. Look at who 289 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: standing next to you. Nobody's coming for him. 290 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: Well, it's so well, what like the thing that gets 291 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: me and I think that thing that annoys some people, 292 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: like especially entertainers, is a sense of entitlement. Like she 293 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: feels entitled, and not only when something doesn't happen for her. 294 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: It's like a conversation about a Marria. I want to 295 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: just give the listeners something like this that I did 296 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: not know until I started researching us. These are the 297 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: lists of people who have never won a Grammy, not 298 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: one Grammy, not one time, Abba, The Beach Boys, Bob Marley, 299 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: Dean Martin, Diana Ross, Guns N' Roses, Lana del Rey, 300 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Queen and Beyonce has more Grammys than Mariah Carey, Madonna, 301 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: Elvis Presley, and the Beatles combined. I look almost as 302 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: much as Michael Jackson if you added to that, like 303 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson barely crosses them over, I think by one 304 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: or two wards. But for some reason, America is a 305 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: deeply racist country because she for some reasons, One think 306 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: it's an entitlement, and I think it's an entitlement you've 307 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: see in other parts of our culture. And I think 308 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: maybe like the intensity towards any criticisms around her where 309 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: you have to you know, if anyone says anything bad. 310 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: Therefore it's a combination of I guess Black America or 311 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: something some random thing. It's very it's a very strange 312 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: relationship with fans that we like, we're all kind of 313 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: forced through. My other question is is so one of 314 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: the predictors of who could win is Charlie XCX Now 315 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: Charlotte for those who don't know, her album called Brat 316 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: was like very like ingratiated with the Kamala Harris campaign. 317 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: It was Brat Summer for her. So do you think 318 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: that because Kamala loss are gonna give it to Charlie 319 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: XCX is like a isolation prize, cancelation prize. You didn't 320 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: win the White House, but Charlie XCX is gonna win 321 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: for all of you. I don't know. 322 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: I think they might be too like traumatized by it. 323 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: Like I feel like every time like a democrat heres 324 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: like three six y five or something, they're just gonna 325 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: like it's gonna be like Vietnam flashbacks. Because the Kamala 326 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: Harris campaign vastly overestimated the number of homos in America. Like, 327 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's not that many of it. I was like, 328 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm living for like the brat, you know what I mean. 329 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, if your message as a politician appeals to 330 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: me a bit like a gay culture critic, it is 331 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: not for America. You are not what do you do 332 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: do a retreat? So I don't know. I think they might. 333 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 2: They might be a little too It might be a 334 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: little too soon. You know, she might have to get 335 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: an honorary award twenty years from now. 336 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: Do you think a ward show still matter? 337 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: Uh? No, they better to me, but they don't matter. 338 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: It's like I think the radio doesn't even matter anymore. 339 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: I don't even know what's on it? To be completely honest, right, 340 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: it's everybody. There are people who I listen to all 341 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: the time who are like famous, and I'll mention their 342 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: name to somebody and they're like, who you know. I 343 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: think that streaming has really like changed the way the 344 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 2: music industry works, and the Grammys haven't really kept up 345 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: with that. Yeah, there are you know, people who are 346 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: only musicians who are only famous on TikTok, musicians who 347 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: are only famous on streaming. And then there's like people 348 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: that you hear at CVS, you. 349 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, or the doctor's office waiting room. Yeah right, 350 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is what from the top 351 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: end of this person. I will just say this one 352 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: little once again data point for the listener. So the Grammys, 353 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: on like other ward shows, their viewership was up last 354 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: year sixteen point nine million people. And I right about 355 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: what does the financial financial win fall from winning one 356 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: of these awards. So Bruno Mars, the singer Bruna Mars, 357 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: saw his ticket sales per night show p nic. 358 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: One of thes people. 359 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: By the way, I like Bruno Mars, but anyway, his 360 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: the cause his number went from like one hundred and 361 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: thirty thousand to two hundred thousand per show, and Taylor 362 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: Swift after she won her first Grammy went from one 363 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: hundred thousand to six hundred thousand, and so I mean 364 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: there's something. I mean, people do listen, there is a 365 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: financial incentive for these artists to win. 366 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 2: What do you think about Taylor Swift because her her 367 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: fans are very similar to Beyonce is I mean they 368 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: obviously they can't pull the race card. They but it's 369 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: also a sense of entitlement that she should win every Grammy, 370 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: every award. 371 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, every album should be but she has that. She's 372 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: tied Frank Sinatra and Who's Who's Stevie Wonder for the 373 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: most best most album of the years ever. Listen. She 374 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: produces a ton of music. Some of it's really like catchy. 375 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: Some of it I have no interest in whatsoever. I'm 376 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: not like I would never go buy a ticket to 377 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: a show. I would never prop But if it comes 378 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: on the radio, if I'm listening to the radio, or 379 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: if it pops on one of those like playlists on Spotify, 380 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I will listen through and I'll probably know the words 381 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: to my handful of her songs. But like I'm I don't, 382 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand that I did go to one of 383 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: her concerts because my friend an extra ticket. This is 384 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: like years and years ago, and her fans were borderline 385 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: like terrifying because like they had my homemade one of 386 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: one was an overweight, middle aged man who had like 387 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: made a homemade sweater of all of her cats. And 388 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: I was like, this is very intense, Like no one 389 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: will ever love me in my life as much as 390 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: this middle aged man loves taylorsh Web And I find 391 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: that you have very strange why do. 392 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: You Yeah, yeah, they think she's like Bob Dillwood, like 393 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: she could barely right. I don't know what you people 394 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: are saying. I mean my friend Nick Beloane for the 395 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: Thought Topics podcast, he says something very light Nick about 396 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: Taylor Swiff and her fan of one time, which is 397 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: that Taylor Swift is as deep as some people can go. 398 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: And that's okay, And yeah, I mean I think that 399 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: that's that pretty much sums it up. I mean, but 400 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: that's not. 401 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's fine, Like she's fine. Is she a genius? No, 402 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: but she's fine. Like I don't hate her, and I 403 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: don't understand. I think people just don't like success, so 404 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: they want to trash someone like her. They want to 405 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: trash them, like Beyonce whatever and like whatever, Like they're 406 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: more annoyed at their fans or the success than you 407 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: are at them. They're fine, they're whatever, but like they're 408 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: not a genius. They didn't change music, like I mean, 409 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: they're not I don't know, like they're not the Beatles 410 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: or whatever else. 411 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's sort of a parallel between 412 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: between both Beyonce and Taylor Swift and the sort of 413 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: like you know, Marvel movie, uh so blockbuster like made 414 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: for mass general consumption to where like you know, Beyonce 415 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: was born in Houston, but in my mind she's like 416 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: incorporated in Delaware, you know what I mean, She's she's an. 417 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: Llcy so brilliant. That is so brilliant. That is such 418 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: a brilliant line. She was born in ustimp but incorporated 419 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: in Delaware. Yes, yes, you know, it is just it 420 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: is inoffensive. But and she does a lot of Janet 421 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: Jackson cosplay. If you notice, if you listen to jan 422 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: Jackson like the nineties and you listen to Beyonce, it's 423 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: a lot of copying. It's just what I noticed, a 424 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: lot of it. But yeah, do you have a person 425 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: you like to see when if you care? 426 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 2: Chapel Rock, Well, I actually would like Charlie to win, 427 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: just because I love that album, but I I'd also 428 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: like to see Chapel roon when she'd like the rise 429 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: of BD West Princess. I find Chapel Room personally very annoying. 430 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: She's extremely insufferable. 431 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that somebody you have to mute on Twitter. But 432 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, get the lesbians a win, you know what 433 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I've only ever had like Brandy Carlile was 434 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: after I told these like boring, you know. 435 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, lesbians haven't gotten enough praise enough in the last 436 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: few years. It's been a rough go for the lesbians, 437 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Allen left the television and Rosie went crazy. 438 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: All they have is Chapel Run. 439 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well in Billie Eilish too, she's a lesbian girl. 440 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: Look at her. 441 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: She dresses like Cedric the entertainer. You're so funny, Okay, yes, 442 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: going to the Sports River. Thank you so much for 443 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: being on the show. Where could people go to read 444 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: your work? 445 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: You can find me at the Free Press. I write 446 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: the Digest a lot. I do a lot of culture 447 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: criticism Twitter. 448 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: It's so funny. 449 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: Yes, Twitter, So. 450 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. My Twitter is at River Underscore 451 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: is underscore. 452 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: Nice River page. Thank you so much for coming on, 453 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: and we will be right back after these words. Welcome back. 454 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: So I'm going to admitstling to my listeners upfront. I 455 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: know very little about sports. I like watching it occasionally, 456 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: I love going to a live event, but it's all 457 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: sportsball to me. So I brought on two people to 458 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: talk about the Super Bowl, who do know what they're 459 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: talking about. My two guests are Dylan gwen he is 460 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: the sports editor for Bright Barton News, and Dan Roberts, 461 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: he is the editor in chief for Front Office Sports. 462 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: Thank you all for being here. 463 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: Thanks for having us. 464 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: So let me start off with So February ninth is 465 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl between Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City 466 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: chief Kansas City Chiefs have won for the last two 467 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: years in a row, and if they win this time 468 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: would be the first time ever according to Wikipedia anyway, 469 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: that team has won three consecutive years. Going into this game, 470 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: the Eagles have a fourteen win three loss record and 471 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: the Chiefs have a fifteen win, two loss record. Dylan, 472 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: I'll start with you going into this game, does either 473 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: team have a specific advantage, like you think that I'll 474 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: probably have an advantage, you know as a whole. 475 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 3: Well, if you ask most of Twitter, that advantage would 476 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: be the referees for the Chiefs. Well, there's been a 477 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: lot of controversy over this over ever since the twenty 478 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: twenty one postseason, the Chiefs have had a notable advantage 479 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 3: in the number of penalties called for their opponents and 480 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 3: are against their opponents and not for them. A lot 481 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: of the critical calls in these games have gone the 482 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: Chiefs way and not their opponent's way. There was recently 483 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: a Warren Sharp did a study on this recently going 484 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: back to the twenty twenty one playoffs. So there's been 485 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 3: a lot of controversy over this. And it used to 486 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 3: be just a tinfoil hat kind of thing, you know, 487 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: guys like me on the internet whatever. But now Troy 488 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: Aikman's gotten involved. Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman is the legendary 489 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. He is 490 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 3: now an ESPN color analyst for Monday Night Ball, and 491 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: he called the Chiefs playoff game against the Texans a 492 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago in which there were a few 493 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: highly controversial calls in this game and they all went 494 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 3: the Chiefs way. And this wasn't during the game, but 495 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: he told Jimmy Treana of Sports Illustrated yesterday, I believe 496 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: it was that, you know, hey, the NFL's got to 497 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: get this under control, because the NFL is sitting here 498 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: telling people to gamble on these games. The NFL is 499 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 3: pushing gambling, their embracing gambling in a way they have 500 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: not ever done before. And you're telling people to spend 501 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: their money on these games and gamble it away. Meanwhile, 502 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 3: you've got these ridiculous calls in these games that for 503 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 3: some reason always seem to benefit this team from Kansas City, 504 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: and people are people are scratching their heads like can 505 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: you trust it? Can you trust what you're watching? Which 506 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: is a critical critical component of gambling. 507 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: Dann what are you saying? 508 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 4: Well, let me just add here. I mean, Dylan's right 509 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 4: that in some ways the have become the story when 510 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: you talk about the Chiefs, and I always say, the 511 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 4: truth flies somewhere in the middle. In other words, he 512 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 4: does seem to get some calls and in the big 513 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: Bills Chiefs game, and God bless Josh Allen because I 514 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: don't know any other quarterback who's lost this many times 515 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 4: in the final game to get to the Super Bowl 516 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 4: to the same guy. But you know, there was I 517 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 4: would say the most controversial moment was not getting the 518 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 4: first down call. There was a key first down that 519 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 4: the rest said they were short. Side note. People say, 520 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 4: I can't believe we're still having three human beings eyeball 521 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: this instead of lasers and computers. And my answer to 522 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: that is, don't leave yourself in a position where you 523 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 4: have to get this one key first down to win 524 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 4: the game. I mean, they didn't do enough to win 525 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: the game. So yes, I think Mahomes gets some calls. 526 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 4: But also they tend to just perform in playoff moments 527 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: and they tend to beat you. This was the season 528 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: where they squeaked by the most times. In other words, 529 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 4: a number of games this year won by the Chiefs 530 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: were won by three points or fewers. So are they 531 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 4: getting calls. Yes, Are they only getting to the super 532 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 4: Bowl because they get those calls? No, they tend to 533 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: get it done in the postseason. 534 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, I want to ask you about this question 535 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to Super Bowl because I you know, 536 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: the NFL is a thirteen billion dollar year industry, and 537 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: I know there's some kind of profit sharing incentive within 538 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: the NFL. Is there do teams get like some kind 539 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: of a bonus that they when the Super Bowl is? Like, 540 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: does sales of their merchandise go up? Like what? 541 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: You know? 542 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: Does just the losing team sale merchandise all go to Africa? 543 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 3: You know what? 544 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: Like what exactly happens? Is there a financial incentive? Not 545 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: just like the trophy it's up, but does the coaches 546 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: get more money or anything? So? 547 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: So yes and no, they all split revenue equally, which 548 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 4: is why it's so lucrative to be a part NFL owner. 549 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 4: And by the way, knew this season the NFL opened 550 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 4: its stores to private equity stakes up to ten percent. 551 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 4: The other leagues had all done that for years. The 552 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 4: NFL had sort of dragged its heals. So as a result, 553 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 4: you saw a number of new investors came in. And 554 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: and what I always say in business, you know, never 555 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 4: say anything as a guaranteed investment, But boy, owning a 556 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 4: piece of an NFL, NBA, or Major League Baseball team 557 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: is pretty damn close to a sure thing. In other words, 558 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 4: you're almost guaranteed within two to four years to be 559 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 4: able to turn around and sell your stake for more money. 560 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 4: But all that said, it's a revenue split. Yes, all 561 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: the players get an extra bonus for winning a Super Bowl, 562 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: some of them bigger than others. Saquon Barkley, who's the 563 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 4: big running back on the Eagles, the Giants let him 564 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: go a big mistake. He has something like two hundred 565 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 4: and fifty thousand dollars bonus coming his way, and Mahomes 566 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 4: has more than a million dollar bonus coming his way. 567 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 4: The rest of the guys, it's like one hundred and 568 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 4: fifty k I think for winning a Super Bowl. But 569 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 4: you brought up merchandise sales. Sure, you could argue merchandise 570 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 4: sales benefit probably teams sponsorships benefit. After winning a Super Bowl, 571 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: you could charge more for your season tickets. All that said, 572 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: specifically with the Chiefs, it's diminishing returns at this point. 573 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: These guys won the last two. They're about to do 574 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 4: a three pet. Anyone who's spending money on Chiefs merch 575 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: or chief season tickets already is. And the Eagles last 576 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: one in twenty eighteen. In other words, there's a reason 577 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 4: I think that a lot of people are less interested 578 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: this year. Ticket sales, in fact, on the resale market 579 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: have dipped a little bit in the last week. Still 580 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: extremely expensive, but nowhere near where they we're right now 581 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 4: a year ago, because I think there is some Chiefs fatigue. 582 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 4: So all that said, there's a benefit to the teams, 583 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: but not a direct automatic, you know, X number of 584 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: extra dollars from winning another Super Bowl. 585 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: So I have this internal conflict because one, I really 586 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: don't care, but two, I'm a New Yorker. The only 587 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: thing about sports was really trained to do is hate Boston. 588 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: And then I met Philadelphia fans. I was like, ooh, 589 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: those Boston people are not that bad. Or actually, like 590 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: I've really underestimated those Boston people. They're way less intense. 591 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: But you know, I always for an underdog. I like, 592 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: I would love to see a Bills win or World 593 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: Series one day, or the Jets win or whatever, just 594 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: because like, Okay, great they finally won. But like it's 595 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: hard for me to like the Eagles in a really 596 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: tough way. But the whole Kelsey Travis Taylor Swift thing 597 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: is America rooting against the Chiefs. What would you say doing. 598 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. Last year, I would have absolutely said, yes, 599 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: there's no question about it. The saturation was to the 600 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: m degree and you got shots of her after, you know, 601 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 3: every three plays, you'd get a shot of her in 602 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: the luxury suite, or even when there was no reason, 603 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 3: even when you know Travis Kelcey wasn't even on the field, 604 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: that you would get, you know, the obligatory Taylor Swift shot. 605 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: This year, I think the networks were a lot more 606 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: controlled with how they broadcast her, Like you got all 607 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 3: the tweets, the social media, her entering the stadium, stuff 608 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 3: like that, she got to see what she was wearing, 609 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: all the wies got to get excited about that or 610 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: or or whatever. But the end game shots, and I 611 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 3: don't know if anybody else agrees. I thought they were 612 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: more toned down this year than they were the previous year. 613 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know that the hate or 614 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: the over hate maybe too strong of a word, but 615 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 3: I don't know that the saturation overload of Taylor Swift 616 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: was to the degree this year that it was last year. 617 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 3: And I don't know that that's really keeping people away 618 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: from the game. It's definitely not bringing any males to 619 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: the game. It may bring me a lot of teenage 620 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: girls to the game. Now, the NFL cares a lot 621 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: about that because they're expanding. That's your plus one demo there, 622 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: so the NFL is very excited. 623 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: About and teens often have their parents' credit cards. 624 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: So there you go, there you go, there they go. 625 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: Now, I would add to what Dylan said, I think 626 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: that if anything, there's been a flip, and it's the 627 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 4: Kelsey brothers who are oversaturated. Now. I do think that 628 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 4: they toned it down with the tailor shots. By the way, 629 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 4: we've written at FOS about the very real bump that 630 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 4: the Taylor Swift thing has brought in terms of female fans. 631 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 4: So if you're the league, why wouldn't you keep showing her? 632 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 4: Maybe this is just my opinion. I think it's Travis 633 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 4: and Jason who have become way oversaturated, and there's evidence 634 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 4: of this because Jason Kelsey has a new late night 635 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: show that has not done very well so far it's debut. 636 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 4: I think they're in every damn advertisement, you know, I 637 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 4: get it. The idea is that this is the new 638 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 4: Peyton and Eli Manning, And again they're charismatic, they're you know, 639 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 4: they're they're pretty good on cam are both these guys. 640 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 4: But boy, I'm seeing way too much of them now. 641 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 4: Look Sam goes for like Matthew McConaughey. I mean, there's 642 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 4: always someone of the moment who is overly saturated in 643 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 4: the TV ads. 644 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but Paydon and Eli were really likable 645 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: in a way that I don't think the Kelsey bro 646 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't remember the Eli Manning taking a doing like 647 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: an I got a vaccination commercial that was like, it 648 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: was really like, it's it's a weird ad you'd put 649 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: a football player. And I want to talk just one 650 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: more time about the money situation. So I looked this up. 651 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: The year I was born, a commercial for the Super 652 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: Bowl cost six hundred thousand dollars for a Thursday, and 653 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: then it'll be about eight million this year, do I mean? 654 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: And we had a lot of iconic commercials I feel 655 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: like more older. I mean, when we had the Budweiser, 656 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: a Frog's and you know, God made a farmer. More recently, 657 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: whatever Jews does the ads actually do as much as 658 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: for branding as people think that for eight million dollars 659 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: for thirty seconds, you you want to know about those 660 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: well feeling. 661 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: I think I think the big the big thing you're 662 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: seeing in the ads. So this is I'm glad you 663 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: brought it up because this year normally the one hundred 664 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 3: thousand dollars annual increase in the average price of an 665 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: ad for a Super Bowl ad. So last year it 666 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: was roughly seven million dollars for a thirty second ad. 667 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: This year, Fox isn't really saying what it is, but 668 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: it's believed being around, it's believed to be much more expensive. 669 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 3: The number we do have is that the average price 670 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 3: for an ad this year has increased by five hundred 671 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: thousand dollars, So that's a fivefold increase over what the 672 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: average price has been up until now. And you ask 673 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: yourself why, And it's because you've got a lot of 674 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: new brands that are getting involved in advertising right now 675 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 3: and they're seeing this and this may be a little 676 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: bit of a Taylor Swift effect. You've got a lot 677 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: of businesses out there that don't traditionally or haven't traditionally 678 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: advertised in the Super Bowl, and now all of a 679 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 3: sudden they're like. 680 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: Well that gotting point, Yeah, we got to do this, 681 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of the older brand demo, Yeah. 682 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: For sure, and a lot of the older brands that 683 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: were talking you probably were on when you were younger. Ryan. 684 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: The automotive brands, they're pulling out, largely. State Farm is 685 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 3: pulling out because the controversy surrounding the insurance of the 686 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: California wildfires. They're pulling out. And now you've got this 687 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 3: new breed, this new money kind of coming into the thing, 688 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 3: and they're flooding the market and it's radically increased the 689 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: average price of a thirty second ad. Now, so it's 690 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 3: a whole new generation of advertisement. 691 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: I did not know that. 692 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 4: Hey, the story this year, Ryan, so far is AI ads, which, boy, 693 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 4: if you weren't sick. 694 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: Of what are we the ads are? They like that? 695 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: It's like an AI made you. 696 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 4: Know, artificial intelligence companies and services, you know, whether it's 697 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: whether it's Chat, GBT, imitators, DASS, companies that use AI 698 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 4: for their platform. It's all about AI. Now, let's replace 699 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 4: all the writers, right And in some ways to me, 700 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 4: this is the new crypto super Bowl. Remember two or 701 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 4: three years ago, suddenly the crypto companies came flooding in 702 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: FTX was the biggest We all know what happened there. 703 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 4: In my prior life, I was editor in chief of 704 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 4: a crypto news site and it was right at the 705 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 4: peak where suddenly Coinbase was doing an ad. If you 706 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: remember coinbases, the one that I really think was the 707 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 4: most effective. It was just a QR code bouncing around 708 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 4: the screen like a screen saver. It led a lot 709 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 4: of people to quite literally hold their phones up to 710 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: the screen. What is this? 711 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 3: You know? 712 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 4: And so when you ask how big is the impact 713 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 4: of a Super Bowl ad? I think in most cases 714 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: it's not as impactful as it once was. 715 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 716 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 4: I don't think that there are many examples in the 717 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 4: last maybe six years of really iconic Super Bowl ads. 718 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 4: When you ask iconic superl ads, I still think of 719 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 4: all the ones from my childhood. There is the VW 720 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 4: kid and the Darth Vader costume, right yeah, Unting in 721 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 4: the car, and then all the Budweiser ones, the frogs, 722 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 4: you know what, all those ads. But I remember that 723 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 4: Coinbase one. And this is going to be the AI 724 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 4: Super Bowl because crypto companies are no longer spending. 725 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 1: Fine, who do you think is the most important player 726 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: for each team? And who do you think is the 727 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: weakest link. 728 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 3: Well, well, the most important player on the field is 729 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: always the quarterback. Doesn't really matter if we're talking x's 730 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 3: and o's, that we're talking football, it's always the quarterback. 731 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: And the most important player for the Chiefs is is 732 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. There's no questioned about it. He's Houdini out there. 733 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 3: He's just he just does a lot of incredible things. 734 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: He's kind of like Kerr. 735 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: Got most of the points last time. 736 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 3: Very Bucker is vital to that team because they're kicker. 737 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 3: So yes, exactly right. 738 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: He hail Mary's right before the game and they are 739 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: getting Bucker. 740 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 4: If Bucker would come off on this chat, he should. 741 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: He deserves it, and I and I would be remiss 742 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 3: for not mentioning him. But as far as the most important, 743 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: I mean, Patrick Mahomes is the most important for the 744 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 3: Chiefs and and and honestly, I don't know. I mean, 745 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 3: you want to say Jalen Hurst, who's the quarterback for 746 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: the Eagles. But they've really gotten to this point in 747 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 3: this season on the on the the strength of Saquon Barkley, 748 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: who who as you mentioned before, came over from the Giants, 749 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 3: and that and that deal that will be much chagrined 750 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,479 Speaker 3: in New York for many, many years, and he's really 751 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 3: carried this team. So I mean, as far as I 752 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 3: see it, those are those are your two most important players. 753 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 3: But the Super Bowl always gives us an unknown who 754 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 3: plays some surprise factor in determining the outcome of the game. 755 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 3: And you just have to wait to see who that is. 756 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: An if any different pinions and who think it's the 757 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: weakest link, Dan Well, I don't. 758 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 4: Know about weakest link. I mean it could be the QBS, arguably, 759 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 4: like how good is Jalen Hurt's going to be in 760 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 4: this moment again? And in some ways, as Dylan said, 761 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 4: it's about Hurts and Mahomes, I'd bring up Travis Kelcey 762 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 4: because the truth is he didn't have a great season 763 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 4: until late in the season. I say that as a 764 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 4: guy who still reluctantly plays fantasy. He was my fantasy 765 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 4: tight end and all season it was just not enough. 766 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 4: And finally, in the final week of the regular fantasy 767 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 4: season I benched him. Big mistake. He finally had big numbers, 768 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 4: So let's see how he does. And then you're actually 769 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 4: right Ryan to mention the kickers. You know, it's Jake Elliott. 770 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 4: It's Butker. We've seen this at the college game too, 771 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 4: that the kickers make all the difference. Remember, last season's 772 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 4: sewer Role was only won by three points. It was 773 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 4: not by any means of drubbing for Kansas City to 774 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 4: all those people who say Kansas City gets all the calls. 775 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 4: So I think it'll actually be a very close game, 776 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 4: and I think the ratings are going to be interesting 777 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 4: to watch. Last year we had the biggest viewership of 778 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 4: all time, but twenty fifteen is still number two, and 779 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 4: the household rating has actually dipped in a number of 780 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 4: recent years. Will this be the most watched Super Bowl ever? 781 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 4: I don't think so, but I think it'll be up there, 782 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 4: and I think that, you know, it depends on me. Yes, 783 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 4: some people are sick of the Chiefs. Some people want 784 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 4: to see history made the three peat. 785 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, if you have an informed opinion, and you don't, 786 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean you could it could be just be a 787 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: guest and you could just say, I don't know, But 788 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: do you think who would you say that is favored 789 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: to win? 790 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 4: Well, in Vegas, it's it's the Chiefs. But yeah, but 791 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 4: only by a point? 792 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 3: Right now? Dyl what what one or one and a half. 793 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I'm going with the Eagles. I think the Chiefs. 794 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 4: The Chief's luck runs. 795 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 3: Out till I would I'm born and raised Redskins fan. 796 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 3: I can't root for the Eagles or want them to win. Ever, 797 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 3: I'm also oversaturated with the Chiefs, so I don't know 798 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 3: what I'm rooting for in this game. I look based 799 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 3: on what I've seen in the in the Chiefs in 800 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 3: the playoffs, I'm not I'm not going to pick against them. 801 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 3: They that team has found a way to win over 802 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 3: far more talented teams than themselves, and I've seen them 803 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 3: do it for five years in a row, and I 804 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: think that continues. 805 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm the guy with the sun that says I just 806 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: hope everybody has fun. Thank you guys for both being 807 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: on Dylan. Where can everyone read your stuff and find 808 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: you and read your Twitter and everything? 809 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 3: Bright Bart Sports. 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