1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Philly Show. Everybody brought to you by Citizens. 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: From making a plan to reaching your goals, make sense 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: of your money with Citizens, Official Bank of the Phillies. Guys, 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: we're super excited to be here today. This is our 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: first live show with Ruben Amar Junior, the Venerable Rubinamar Junior, 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: the Esteemed Jim Salisbury, and of course our very special guests, 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: Phillies Managing partner John Middleton. John is part of our 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Citizens Conversation today and John, thank you so much for 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: joining us. 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: We know you are a busy man, so thank you 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: for taking the time for talking. 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: So John, we you know the team is off to 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: a four and one start, and Jim and I talked 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: to you. 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: I think it was the first day of spring training 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: in Clearwater. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were very optimistic, confident about the team 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: going into the season, of course, and is there understandably. 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: So what have you seen from these first five games 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: that maybe has you kind of reinforcing those beliefs about 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: this team and where could potentially go in the next 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: several months. 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: So I think the first thing it says the pitching 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: has generally been what's it we advertised it to be. 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: I think the starting rotation is tremendous. It as the ability. 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 4: I think it will prove to be the best rotation 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: in all of baseball by the end of the season. 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: I think it's going to, frankly be interested in Ruben's opinion, 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 4: it's going to. 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 3: Get close to the eleven team. 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 4: I mean, it's really hard at the top of the 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: eleven rotation when you look at Holiday and Lee and 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: Hammels to equal that. Certainly, Zach can be as good 35 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: as any picture we've ever had. But the bottom of 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: our rotation, I think is going to be maturely better 37 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: than the bottom of. 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: The eleven rotations. 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: So you put the five guys together on both rotations, 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: mix them up, and I think, I think at the 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 4: end of twenty twenty five it's gonna look an awful 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: lot like twenty eleven. And that's without considering Andrew Paynter 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 4: coming up in July ish whatever that is, and other 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 4: you know, other things. So you know, we don't even 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 4: obviously have Ranger back yet. I think the bullpen's generally 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: been strong. The hitters have been good, they haven't You know, 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 4: they're not going three for five or two for five 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: every single game, but they find a way and come together. 49 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 4: It's been tended to be towards the end of the 50 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: game obviously against the relief pitching. They really pummel it 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: and they can string together runs and. 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: Hits really well. 53 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: And frankly, I love kind of the small ball aspects 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 4: of last night's game. I love I loved Rojas's two bunts. 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: I love the way Kyle came home on that play. 56 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 4: I just think really heads up plays and new things 57 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 4: that you need to be able to do that over 58 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: of course of one hundred and well, if you want 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: to go to the postseason and win one hundred and 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 4: seventy five games or so in order to win in 61 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: the postseason. 62 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: So I was curious. 63 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 5: You know a lot of people talked about, you know, 64 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 5: making big changes during the offseason. 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: There were some changes made. 66 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 5: How do you speak to that and how do you 67 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 5: feel about some of the thing moves that Dave Nebrawski 68 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 5: has made so far? 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 4: So, you know, I start with the fact I talk 70 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: to people all the time about Dave. I mean, I've 71 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 4: had the privilege of working for now twenty years with 72 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: Pat killer, who is a legitimate Hall of Famer, who's 73 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: done things that very few people in the Hall of 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: Fame have done. And if you look at Dave's career, 75 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: Heave matches Pack almost They both have won World Series 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: titles with two different franchises. Dave's only won two, Packs 77 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 4: won three, but Dave has taken four different teams to 78 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: the World Series. 79 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: He's the only GM in. 80 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: The history of baseball who's ever taken more than two 81 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: different teams to the World Series. And that tells you 82 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: a lot about who Dave Dolbrowski is. And so I 83 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: don't get in the way of Dave Dombroski, but what 84 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: that tells me is that guy knows has probably forgotten 85 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: more this morning about technical baseball and evaluation of baseball 86 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: talent then I'll ever know in my life. So I 87 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: my job is to encourage Dave to give the kind 88 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: of knock down the obstacles for him and basically get 89 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 4: him the money that he needs to put the team 90 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: on the field that he wants to put on the field. 91 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: And so, you know, I always thought, you know, he's 92 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: got a great eye, He's got his staff is Keyton 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: tenants have great eyes. 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: Too. 95 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: For talent, uh for a you know, the medical staff 96 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: is I think we're as good as anybody. 97 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: You look at the. 98 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: Pitching rotation of the last four or five years and 99 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: how good these guys are and how healthy they've been. 100 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 4: So when they start evaluating people like Romano and Kepler 101 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: for you know, how they're going to perform this year, 102 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: I have a lot of confidence. 103 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: I mean you go all the way back to Zach 104 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: when he came to us. 105 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 4: He came to us with you know, nate jury history, 106 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 4: and we looked at him and said, now, this guy 107 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: is absolutely fine. So I think they I have a 108 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: lot of confidence to day and just to date, his 109 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 4: decisions have proven to be really good ones, no doubt. 110 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 6: John Todd mentioned we spoke to you back in spring training, 111 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 6: first day of pitches and catches, in fact, I think 112 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 6: it was YEP, and I asked you, knowing how competitive 113 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 6: you are and how much you've wanted and how intense 114 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 6: you are ben close season three years in a row, 115 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 6: you haven't gotten there, I asked you that today, what 116 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 6: is going to be your message to this ball club 117 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 6: when you address them open spring training? 118 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to keep that for myself are 119 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: you at Liberty now to say. 120 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 4: What that message was, well, yeah, probably about forty eight 121 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 4: hours later, because once I addressed the team, it's kind 122 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: of more or less out there. So I had really 123 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: two themes this year, which I think are important anyway, 124 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: but coming on the heels of last season's postseason, you know, 125 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 4: which was really a tough loss to take. I talked 126 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: about the need to be adaptable and accountable. And I 127 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 4: talked I used my conversation I had with Roy Holiday's 128 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 4: father out in Colorado in twenty ten. 129 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: I was sitting next to him. Roy was pitching. 130 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: Roy was kind of doing what he always does when 131 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: he's pitching well, which is mowing people down. About the 132 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,119 Speaker 4: seventh inning, I looked at his father and I said, 133 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: I understand you were Roy's first pitching coach. And said yeah, 134 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: And I said, so, how many of his five pitches 135 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 4: did you teach you? 136 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: And he goes none? He said, what do you mean none? 137 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 3: He goes none? 138 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 7: I said, not even his fastball. As now, not even 139 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 7: his fastball, he said. 140 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: You may remember Roy came up struggled, and the Blue 141 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: Jay sent him down to the low levels of minders 142 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: like triple a single, a ball and Roy thought his 143 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 4: career was over and almost walked away, but he said, 144 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: he stuck with it, and he decided he need to 145 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: learn five new pitches. 146 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: You were gonna make it. 147 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 4: So he jettisoned all five of the pitches. He had 148 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 4: learned five new pitches and came up and I said, 149 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 4: so he's using those pictures. 150 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: No, So what do you mean? No? 151 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: He said, well, you know, seven or eight years in, 152 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: he's thinking he's getting a little too predictable. 153 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: So he's learned five new pitches. 154 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 4: And he said, look, sometimes it's as simple as moving 155 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: from one side of the rubber to the next. Sometimes 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: it's a matter of a slight change in a grip 157 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: on maybe you know, curveball or. 158 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: Something like that. 159 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: But the point was that this guy was constantly reinventing himself. 160 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: As good as he was, he constantly was reinventing himself 161 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: because he. 162 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: Saw the need to do that. So about two weeks. 163 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 4: Later, I'm sitting in the stands here talking to Mike 164 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: Schmidt telling him that story. I said, Mike, does it 165 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: make sense that a guy could have fifteen pitches. 166 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: Over the course of his professional career. 167 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 4: Mike just looks me and he goes, well, yeah, because 168 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: I had three different swings in my career. And he said, 169 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 4: in point of fact, I not only had three swings, John, 170 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: but in the middle of each of those swings, that 171 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: made such a major adjustment that people could actually look 172 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: at me and say, you had six different swings over 173 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: your career, but I consider it three, each one having 174 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: a major mid mid course correction. And so that was 175 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: the message to the team that And the point I 176 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: said is it's not that they're Hall of Famer so 177 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 4: they have the ability to do that. I said, they're 178 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame because they did that. I 179 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: mean they saw the need to change. They saw the 180 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: need to continue to push themselves to learn something new, 181 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: to be better. And and I think that was an 182 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: important message. And I think that thing is you have 183 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: to be accountable. They it's accountable to yourself, accountable to 184 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: your teammates, accountable to your managers and your staff the 185 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: front office, to the fans. I mean, you really have 186 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: to be pushing yourself. And and you know, we have 187 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 4: a I think a really terrific staff, you know, beginning 188 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 4: with Rob obviously, but all three these guys are are 189 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: great and they're here to help the players. I think 190 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: when the players accept the help, I think they get better. 191 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 4: And I think there's plenty of op You know, you 192 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 4: could look at plenty of pitchers or plenty of position 193 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: players who have learned from Kevin and Caleb about how 194 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 4: to get a little bit better and a little bit 195 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: better at this level. 196 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 3: Is a big difference, or it can be a big difference. 197 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: Johnny, you mentioned Mike Schmid. I think of nineteen eighty 198 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: of course, like everybody does. Do you see any parallels 199 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: or potential similarities between the twenty twenty five Phillies and 200 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty Phillies in that they lost in the 201 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: NLCS seventy six, seventy seven, seventy eight, they bring in 202 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: Pete Rose, they don't even make the playoffs. 203 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 8: And. 204 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: Everybody's like, this team is probably cooked. They don't have 205 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: what you know they can they get over the top. 206 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: And this group twenty two to twenty three, twenty four 207 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 2: falling short of the ultimate price? 208 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: Is this team going to be able to get over 209 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: the edge. 210 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: Do you see any potential similarities between the team, and 211 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: if so, what are what is it? 212 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: Well? I think I do see them. 213 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: I think one of the biggest things is, first of all, 214 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 4: there's a lot of talent on both squads, right, and 215 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 4: you can throw in that eight squad, you know, for 216 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: added measure, because I think there's similarities between that squad 217 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 4: and the squad too that are important. But I think 218 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: when you've gone through what the years that the seventy six, 219 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: seventy seven, seventy eight Phillies did and seventy nine, throw 220 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 4: that and then you compare it to what these guys. 221 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: Are going through. 222 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 4: If you've got to come back hungry and hungrier every year, 223 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: and everybody knows that an athlete's career is short, that 224 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: there's been you know, this is now the fourth year, 225 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 4: and that's a pretty big chunk of a pro athlete's 226 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 4: career unless you're twenty two years old and you think, well, 227 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 4: I got I can do this forever. But most of 228 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: these guys aren't, and they realize that they're closer to 229 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 4: the end than they are to the beginning. And I 230 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 4: think that's a great motivation for players. What I do 231 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: see though, I think this team Ruben is because of 232 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: the strength and the pitching staff, and that if you 233 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 4: look at like ten and eleven in particular, I think 234 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 4: those two teams, and especially eleven, were really driven by 235 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: their pitching stats. And I mean, as Dave Dombrowski has said, 236 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: you know, whenever you have a match, when when you 237 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 4: can put a matchup out there that generally favors you 238 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty two games every. 239 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: Night, you're gonna You're you're gonna win an awful lot 240 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: of games. 241 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: I mean, they may not be perfect, but they are 242 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: strong and and they can go deep into the games. 243 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: They could go deep in the season. 244 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 4: And I think that's where if you combine the motivation 245 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: of the you know, eighty team to this with this team, 246 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 4: and you look at the kind of the way these 247 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 4: A eleven and this team are comprised that you know, 248 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 4: the way that Gruven organized his eleven team and the 249 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: way Pat has organized Pat sorry, Dave has organized this team. 250 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 4: I think I think they really I think those two 251 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: teams are more similar in their composition where their strengths 252 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 4: lot lay right uh and frankly. 253 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 7: Where some of their their weaknesses are. 254 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I was curious, Sean. You know, 255 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: I've known you for a long time, will you. 256 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 5: I don't get too deep, but I think it's an 257 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 5: important element of what you're about. 258 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: How personal is it for you for this team to 259 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: have success? Yeah, well it's that, you know, Gruman, It's 260 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: it's my legacy. I mean, I I've done other things 261 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: in my life, but I think this role. I think 262 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: when I retire, when my time. 263 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: Comes ten years from now, if anybody remembers me for anything, 264 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 4: They're not gonna be remembered for anything else. They'll remember 265 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: me for this. So however well or I'm not well, 266 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: I serve and function. That's going to be my legacy. 267 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: So it is. It is everything to me. Ty gotta 268 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: have that bleeping trophy, you know. 269 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: I gotta tell you. 270 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, but if people 271 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: like you know, like they hear you say how much 272 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: you want to win? So in spring training, I don't 273 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: if you remember this. I'm standing between the half field 274 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: and the and the bullpen mounts at Baker Ballpark and 275 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 2: I'm sending it's to Gartt, Stubbs and mac Elp from 276 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: the athletic and you walking in from the parking lot, 277 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: and we go, good morning, John, how are you going? 278 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: And you keep moving, you go, I'll tell you at 279 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: four o'clock and a pause and then Subs goes. 280 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: This guy really wants to win. He's talking about winning 281 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: a great food league. He was talking about that earlier today, this, 282 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: you know this, this, these last two games only anything 283 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 3: unless they sweep. I think, well, you. 284 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: Know, look, I can tell you when I when I 285 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: wrestled and I had scrimmages, my coach never congratulated me 286 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: for putting up a good show at you know, and losing. 287 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: It was more about like, well, here's what you did wrong, 288 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: and don't do that again. 289 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 290 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand what spring training is, but string training 291 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: is also about, you know, to just Vince Lombardi's great phrase, 292 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: practice doesn't make perfect, perfect, practice makes perfect. 293 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: Right, You know, you. 294 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 4: Need to drive yourself to be perfect all the time 295 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 4: because that's when you when you get into those crunch 296 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 4: situations and games that really matter, your body has to 297 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: know exactly how to perform. 298 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 7: You can't be thinking that through at that moment. 299 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: You've got to kind of have complete confidence in your 300 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: athletic skills, complete confidence in your preparation, and just react. 301 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 4: React to the ball if you're a hitter, or reacted 302 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: if you're the pitcher, to the batter, to where your 303 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 4: arm slot is to where your release point is, to 304 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: how far your stride is. All of that has to 305 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: be automatic. And you get it that way by constant repetition. 306 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 4: I mean thousands of times. When I was told when 307 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: I was fourteen fifteen years old, if you're going to 308 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 4: learn a new move and wrestling, before you try it 309 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: in a match, you do it. You practice it five 310 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: hundred times by yourself. You practice it five hundred times 311 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: with somebody on top of it, you just kind of you know, 312 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: but not really work, stressing you out. And then you 313 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 4: do it five hundred times in scrimmages, during practice or 314 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 4: live scrimmage before you take it onto the back for 315 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: when accounts. 316 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: Because if you. 317 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 4: Can't do it a thousand, fifteen hundred times perfectly, you're 318 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 4: not going to do it right in the match. 319 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: So that's why I said, yet four o'clock. You wanted 320 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: to lost that day, but I was thinking about that 321 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: all day. Yeah. Yeah, man, is competitive? How much you 322 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: want it? You guys are carrying a huge paper. It's 323 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: number three in the game. 324 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that and not far behind the Mets, not 325 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 4: far behind the number three in the game. 326 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 6: What tax show? 327 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: We're over the top? Over the top? I hear from 328 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: fans all the time. 329 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 6: Are they gonna if they have needs at the Trade Devil, 330 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 6: will they have the flexibility? 331 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, address Yeah, the answer is yes. I mean, you know, 332 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: I'm telling me it's this is Dave's call. It's not 333 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: my call. 334 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: It's Dave's call. 335 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: And if you go back, for example, the last year, 336 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: I mean, we looked hard, we talked to a lot 337 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 4: of people. I mean, we pursued certain people very hard, 338 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: and we made offers that I can't believe people rejected, 339 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: but they did, and they were so so I won't 340 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: say it's us to be so generous on our part 341 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: that Dave and I looked at each other and just said, 342 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: you know what, we're ambivalent. 343 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: If a deal comes through, we're okay. 344 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 4: If it doesn't go through, we're perfectly fine keeping these 345 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 4: players that we we've offered. 346 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: And we kept them. 347 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: And you know what, I think in the long run, 348 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: it's going to be better for us that we did that, 349 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 4: or that was the way it panned out. 350 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 7: But you know it's so that's but that's days, that's 351 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 7: Stave's ball. 352 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 5: So speaking of that, you know, there's other teams that 353 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 5: have sort of infiltrated the Japanese market. D that market, 354 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 5: How important is it for your organization and for and 355 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 5: for the sustainability of the organization for you to jump 356 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: into that market. 357 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 7: I know you've been trying. Yeah, I think it's really important. 358 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: It's it's any source of talent, Ruben, as you know, 359 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: is you need to you need to have access to it, 360 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 4: you need to mine it. We put a lot of 361 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 4: time and effort and money over the last sepist in 362 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: Staves arrived at having a presence not just in Japan, 363 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: but also in permanent in the presidence in Korea and 364 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: frankly around the world, and so and we make you know, 365 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: Japan's probably the best international market, uh, you know in 366 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: terms of I'll call and they'll be ready players. 367 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not. 368 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 4: It's not like Latin America where you're you're you're signing 369 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 4: sixteen year olds and sending them off to the Dominican 370 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 4: Republic and hoping that they'll, you know, by the time 371 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: they're eighteen or nineteen, that they'll be up here in 372 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: the States. So, you know, we're gonna keep pushing and 373 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: we're keep thinking. We're trying to think about how we 374 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: can make more more of an oppression to people and 375 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: and the players and the teams and and try to 376 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 4: just develop relationships that are going to prove to be 377 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: fruitful in the long run. 378 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: But we feel that we need to do that. And 379 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: I think with Dave. 380 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 7: And uh, you know, Jorge. 381 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 4: Uh pushing, I think will be successful, but it's gonna 382 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: take time. 383 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: Johnny, you talk about the Japanese talent you have, Andrew Painter, 384 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: Adan Miller, justin Crawford, I. 385 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 7: Know that Catcher. 386 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I mean there was a I know 387 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: you can't get into specifics, but you potentially could have 388 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: traded some of those guys away last year. Uh from 389 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: Has there been any talk since then about men I'm 390 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: sorry about about trading like you know, maybe a Miller 391 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: or Crawford, some of these top prospects last summer maybe 392 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: involved in a deal where uh well, I. 393 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 4: Say that you never know, and again it's day's decision. 394 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: But I think I think this off season that certainly 395 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 4: the trading deadline last July was a an inflection point, 396 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: and I think this past off season was too, because 397 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 4: if you know, these guys are now I mean Painters 398 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: virtually here, right. I think I think Crawford could easily 399 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 4: be up here if he has a good you know, 400 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 4: couple of months to trip, a Miller's could charge in hard. 401 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 4: I think those three guys in particular, you know, they're 402 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 4: they're close enough to be MLB ready that I don't. 403 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 4: I think you'd have to have a really spectacular trade 404 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 4: to think about any of those people. I mean, and 405 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: look REBN with this, I mean, he was how long 406 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 4: were we trying to get doc? You know, about a 407 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 4: year and a half or something like that, but I 408 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: think it was like two off seasons and a July 409 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: trading deadline, and you know, eventually he said yes to 410 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 4: get given up to the bleek guys what they wanted 411 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 4: for generally. But you know, it's just it's hard. As 412 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 4: they get closer and closer, they become more valuable to you, 413 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 4: and so it's harder to give them up. 414 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: And you need these guys coming through the system because 415 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: you have a lot of free agents coming up this year. 416 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 3: And Jeffrey Lewie, I think, was just talking. 417 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 2: The other area in the press conference saying, how you know, 418 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: it's when you're a good franchise and a good organization, 419 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: it's almost impossible to keep everybody. 420 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: Do you imagine you it's kind of I don't know 421 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 3: how that what's that feeling like when you have. 422 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber, Gtrail Muto, Ranger Suarez, They're all free agents 423 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: after the season. 424 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure you. 425 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: Would love to keep them all. Maybe you do, maybe 426 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: you don't. You know, how do you feel about that 427 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: when those guys are coming up? 428 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: You know, it's unfortunately, it's just part of the game. 429 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: It's part of the job. And no, Ruben knows that 430 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 4: as well as anybody. I mean, I you know, it's 431 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 4: really hard. I just don't know how else gonna say it. 432 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 4: And you have to try to, you know. I I 433 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 4: do talk to players conceptually about you know, to tell 434 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 4: them if you if you want to win, you know, 435 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 4: maximizing your salary to the last nickel puts the team 436 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 4: in a less lesser position where they can't it's harder 437 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: to spend the next nickel on getting the next player right, 438 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 4: and so you know, yeah, at some level, it does 439 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 4: really kind of come down to what's the player's values, 440 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: what what do they want? 441 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 7: And again Ruben lived this, but you know. 442 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: Cliff Lee gave up twenty six million dollars to not 443 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 4: sign with two other teams and to sign with us, 444 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: and that it's because you know, Cliff said, I want 445 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 4: to win and it was more important for me to 446 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 4: win than to get the. 447 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: Last you know, dollar on a on a contract. True statement. Yeah, 448 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was unbelievable that we got him, 449 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: but that was what it takes. 450 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 4: And by the way, I would tell you when I 451 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 4: was signed talking to Bryce and signing him, that's exactly 452 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 4: the conversation I had. 453 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: I said, you know, we'll give you the money. 454 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 4: It's a record for any pro athlete and any sport 455 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: in North America. But I gotta spread it out because 456 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: if you want me to compress the time frame the contract, 457 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 4: then he drive the aa V up. I said, you're 458 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 4: gonna restrict what we can do, the flexibility we had 459 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: to sign additional players. And that's Bryce's commitment to winning. 460 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 4: If that's before he even decides to change positions in 461 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 4: the middle of the year, right, So, I. 462 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: Mean he has a fanatic tattoo on his arm. Now, 463 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: yeah he does. To me, says I see myself as 464 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: a Philly for life. 465 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 7: I hope he does, because I see him as a 466 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 7: Philly for OK. 467 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you that. Hell, yeah, I. 468 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 4: Mean, you know, why would you want Mike Schmidt to 469 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 4: play for any other team? You know, why would you want, 470 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 4: you know, Bryce Harper to play for any other team? 471 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 4: You know that when when when it's time for Bryce 472 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 4: to hang up his cleats, he the last time he plays. 473 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 4: And I don't mean just come back for the day 474 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 4: to retire. I mean the last team he plays for 475 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 4: should be, has to be, should be the Philadelphia Phillies. 476 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 6: John, You've got the Dodgers coming in this weekend. I mean, 477 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 6: everybody's rebbed up for that. They're off to an unbelievable start. 478 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 3: They are a behemoth, they are. 479 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 4: You get the mad Remind you we did beat them 480 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 4: both series last year, correct, Yeah? 481 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: And not by and not by a little. Yeah. I 482 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: mean we mash up really well against I believe we do. 483 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 6: And the Mets are in the National League, and we 484 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 6: know about Steve Cohen and I think he has the 485 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 6: same type of competitiveness as you do. What type of 486 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 6: a challengees at matching up being the same league as 487 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 6: as the Dodgers and the Mets. 488 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 4: Well, obviously the strong beer competition is Wait, that's a 489 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 4: pretty obvious statement, but look, if you want to win 490 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 4: the World Series. Whether they're the American League of the 491 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 4: National League, the National League West of the National League East, 492 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: you're gonna have to beat him at some point in time. 493 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: To be the best, you have to beat the best. 494 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 4: And so you know, it's difficult because the financial resources 495 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: that the Yankees have, the Mets have, and you know 496 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 4: the Dodgers have is it's just significantly more than other people. 497 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: In fact, how Steinbrenner is quoted as saying, you know, 498 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 4: we're in a huge disadvantage to compared to the Dodgers. 499 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 4: So that gives you a sense of a where how 500 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: perceives the competition and where he stands. But I'll also 501 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 4: remind people that I think it was starting in nineteen 502 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 4: eighty one, the Yankees had the highest payroll in baseball 503 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 4: for fifteen consecutive years and they never managed to win 504 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 4: the East, the Eastern Division title and make the postseason. 505 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: So it's not just about money. 506 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 4: It's about having the right players and developing them and 507 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 4: keeping them healthy. And as Pat Gillick love to say, 508 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 4: having the luck that you have twenty f five healthy 509 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 4: players playing at the best of the game at precisely 510 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 4: at the right moment in time. So you know, that's 511 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: why you play one hundred and sixty two games and 512 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: then you play you know, seven, five and seven game 513 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: series because you don't win it on paper, you don't 514 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: win in the offseason, and you don't win it in 515 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: the media talk rooms. 516 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 7: You win it on the field. So I think we 517 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 7: match up with any of them. 518 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 4: Frankly, I think it's a challenge, but I guess I'm 519 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: looking forward to it. 520 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: So the game has been evolving, John, and I wanted 521 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 5: to get your opinion about this torpedo bat stuff. 522 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: Obviously, there are some Phillies who are using it. 523 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 5: I know that there's been some movement as far as 524 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 5: the Phillies using them. What's you're feeling about at number 525 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 5: one and number two? You know, I think that it's 526 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 5: something's gonna help a lot of guys. Do you think 527 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 5: the Phillies need that help? 528 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: Well, look, I think anytime there seems to be I 529 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 4: don't know that you chase every rabbit hole down, you know, 530 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: if you go down every rabbit hole. But I think 531 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 4: I think there are moments when a variation of a 532 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: product or what iver becomes available, and I think I 533 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: think if you really go back to the comments about 534 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: Doc and Mike. You know, if you really want to 535 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 4: change and stay at the top of your game, you 536 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 4: need you need to kind of experiment. 537 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 7: And there's nothing wrong with that. And I and I 538 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 7: know you know, look, Alec Bohm has used used that already. 539 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 4: Other people have tried it out. Rice and Stock tried 540 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 4: it out. You know it's gonna work as But I 541 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: think Bryson put it well, it's gonna work for some 542 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 4: people and it's not gonna work for others. But you 543 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 4: don't know that until you try it enough to kind 544 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 4: of come to that conclusion. So I think it's I 545 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 4: think it's great. I think it's part of just the 546 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 4: evolution of the game. 547 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 3: John, last one, and we will let you go. We 548 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: appreciate the time. This is. 549 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: This is the most important question I'm gonna ask you. 550 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: You were at the Super Bowl, saw the Eagles win 551 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? Yeah, what do you think about the 552 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 2: tush push? 553 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: Should they not banished? So? 554 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: I think it's I personally, I think it's like the 555 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 4: torpedo back. It's it's legal, so I don't know why 556 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 4: teams don't use it while it's legal. And when I 557 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 4: understand everybody's so upset about talking about banning it. 558 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 3: Why don't you just adapt and use it? 559 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 7: If I think about the torpedo bat but refusing to try. 560 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: Guys, just try it, you know what. 561 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 7: So I can't I can't. 562 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 4: See why there aren't you know, thirty one other teams 563 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: that are actually experimenting and using the push push. 564 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 6: I get a real quick, John, real quick. I know 565 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 6: we're running on time. But Todd brought up the Super Bowl. 566 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 6: You and your wife were at the super Bowl. Just 567 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 6: tell us about the walk back to the hotel. 568 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, walk. 569 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 4: So the walk back was really really great. I mean, 570 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 4: I mean obviously the Eagles had one and one handily. 571 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: I mean the place was a giant Eagles party, which 572 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 4: was great. But the fans were just so revved up, 573 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: and you know, we're walking along with just thousands and 574 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 4: thousands of fans. You know, sometimes they some people recognized us, 575 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: sometimes they didn't, but you know, they people recognize us. 576 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 4: They were high fiving and saying this is now it's 577 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 4: your turn and you gotta win it, and taking pictures 578 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: and things like that. 579 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: So it was it was just it was a lot 580 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 3: of fun. 581 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 7: There was a bus, a great memory thanks so much 582 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 7: for your time. 583 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, thanks so much, Thank you so much, guys. 584 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: That's the citizens conversation. 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Best yeah next week. Yeah. We 613 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: actually just did a drum for a Manco Manco gift card. 614 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: I think we'll announce that on our next show, the 615 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: winner of our Manco and Manco gift cards. So we 616 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: have a few minutes left, guys on the show. I 617 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: want to ask you about Zach Wheeler's performance last night. 618 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: A couple of things. 619 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: So he's had thirteen consecutive starts six or more innings, 620 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: two earned runs are fewer. There's only been like eighteen 621 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: pitchers since nineteen twelve that I have had a streak 622 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: like that. Tom Seeber, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddox, Dwight Good 623 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: and Gay Lord Perry Louis, Tian Drysdale about Riisdale, Walter Johnson, 624 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler, the Big train, Walter Johnson and Zach. 625 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: I mean, this guy, he's just unbelievably he keeps it going. 626 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: I mean, what what. 627 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 6: About Jeff Zach Wheeler. Yeah, he's so serious about his craft. 628 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 6: He reminds me of Doc Holladay a lot these times. 629 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 6: I actually misspeak and call him Doc occasionally, Like it's 630 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 6: crazy how good he is. But the way he attacks 631 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 6: the strike zone, the way it's almost like you can 632 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 6: send him out there to mount and you depend on 633 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 6: six innings, no more than two runs. You play good 634 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 6: defense behind him, hit a little bit, you're gonna come 635 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 6: out of there with a victory. To me, it's an evolution. 636 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 5: I've watched this guy grow up in my mind here 637 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 5: in the National League East, after getting traded over the 638 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 5: that's got hurt, had to go through, you know, Tommy Johns, 639 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 5: the whole nine yards. In twenty eighteen, he started becoming 640 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 5: the guy I thought he was pitching with Jacob deGrom 641 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 5: and you know, a cindergarten and a really great staff. 642 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 5: But it just seemed like there was something in him. 643 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 5: And he continues to evolve, and I think John Middleton 644 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 5: was talking about this. He continues to evolve as a 645 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 5: pitcher because he's he's got power stuff, but he pitches 646 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 5: like a pitcher like he pitches sort of like Greg 647 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 5: Mott Maddock's ish because he knows how important it is 648 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 5: to carve up the strike showing it, and he does it. 649 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: Impeccably and commands everything. 650 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 5: What's cool about him is that he's never really satisfied 651 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 5: with how he's going, and I think he just wants 652 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 5: to get better all the time. And it's just been 653 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 5: a pleasure to watch him, just having observed all the 654 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 5: things that he's done to make himself the pitcher he 655 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 5: is today. 656 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: He's the best pitcher starting pitcher in the major leagues. 657 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: There's no question in my mind he has been for 658 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: the last several years. 659 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 5: And it's unfortunately he hasn't been able to get a 660 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 5: cy young but at some point he will, God bless 661 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 5: if he stays healthy. 662 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: And things just continued to go the way they are going. 663 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: So I say thirteen consecutive starts, and to kind of 664 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: put that in perspective, the last time he gave up 665 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: more than two earned runs in the start was like 666 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: August or maybe July twenty ninth last season. Get yeah, 667 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: game he got lit up against the Yankees. Do you 668 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: remember that it was here at Citizen Bank Park that 669 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: was the last time he actually. 670 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 3: Got hit last round? Yeah, last year. That might have 671 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: cast him. Yeah, that might have caught Yeah, absolutely. 672 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: But I mean he's been so good for this team 673 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, he's you know, he's just been dynamite. 674 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 3: So Funny was talking him last night. He's like, I 675 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: didn't really have my good fastball last night exactly, he said. 676 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: He said, I didn't even know where he was going 677 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: half the time. 678 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, which is like what which is the amazing thing 679 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 5: about him is he even without his best stuff, he 680 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 5: adapts to making sure that he can get people out. 681 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter, and he doesn't care how to. He 682 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 5: wants to make quick outs and fishing outs. And that's 683 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 5: the sort of the old school mentality that he brings 684 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 5: to the table. 685 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 3: And why he's so successful. I love it. 686 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 6: And it's gonna be He's gonna be a great resource 687 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 6: and model whatever you wanna call it, mentor for Andrew 688 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 6: Painter when he gets here. 689 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, So that's it. 690 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Andrew is right next to his locker 691 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: basically all spring training, him and Matt's drum and Aaron 692 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: Nola's five feet away. 693 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 3: So what a great experience. Andrew Painter all spring on. 694 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 6: Top of you know, Wheel's performance last Nay, Trey Turner 695 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 6: swung it very well, very encouraging. Rojas gets down a 696 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 6: couple bunths. I think I go back to when Trey 697 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 6: Pinch hit the other day. He's down oh two, and 698 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 6: he lays off a bunch of stuff in the dirt. 699 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 6: And we talked about this a few podcasts ago one. 700 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 6: Sometimes one take can lock you in. And I just 701 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 6: look at that played appearance when he drew that walk 702 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 6: after being down oh too, as such a positive in 703 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 6: in you know, maybe we're seeing something h something kind 704 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 6: of evolved before eye. 705 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 5: I totally agree with that. And I was right behind 706 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 5: home plate when that bad happened. I was watching with 707 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 5: my brother, a Mantaco, and I'm watching the pitch. He 708 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 5: goes oh too, as you said, and he basically fouled 709 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 5: off a couple of fifteen, a couple of change ups 710 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 5: in the breaking balls, and I'm thinking to myself, this 711 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 5: is a guy who's been a slasher and a hacker, 712 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 5: you know, a little bit heads up, a little like 713 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 5: a little bit like Kyle Schwarber making the adjustment to 714 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 5: becoming as good a hitter as he became last year, 715 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 5: moving his points fifty points in his batting average. Right, 716 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 5: so old dogs can can you know, learn new tricks? 717 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 5: And I do believe that they're making a concerted effort. 718 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 5: Rojas what he's bringing at the table, that's another example. 719 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 5: I think the little adjustment that Kepler's made, I mean, 720 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 5: he's making himself a better player. 721 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: All these things are all positives. 722 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 5: I think that that Christina's are really positive things as 723 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 5: far as the offense is concerned. 724 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 6: Just what John was saying, that the All famers made 725 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 6: adjustments along the way and look where it got them. 726 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 6: Everybody can make an adjustment. 727 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 3: What do you guys. 728 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: I know it's it's only been a few games, but 729 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: Turner hitting lead off against the lefties, Schwarber hitting lead 730 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: off against the righties. 731 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: I'm okay. Are we on board with it? Maybe? Like 732 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 3: doing a platoon lineup for different depending who's starting that. 733 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 5: Man, I always feel like the same thing, like the 734 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 5: first four guys need to be the first four guys. 735 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 5: Sins are the best offensive performers in your lineup and 736 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 5: consistently over one hundred and sixty two, seven hundred played appearances, 737 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it, they're gonna be your 738 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 5: most your best performers. And to me, they're so interchangeable 739 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 5: that they can almost hit anywhere. I don't want Harper 740 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 5: to pit in a one hole, and I don't want 741 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 5: Bone to hit in a one hole. But I mean, 742 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 5: you start interchanging any of those guys, I think that 743 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 5: as long as they're at the top of the lineup, 744 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 5: top of the order, getting as many other bats and reps, 745 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 5: I think you're fine, just fine. 746 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 6: And if they win and they produce, everybody's gonna be 747 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 6: fine with its. 748 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 3: Baby guys start whining a little bit struggle. You know 749 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: what I thought was cool last night is we know 750 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: Rob Thompson really well. We talked to him all the time. 751 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: He made a point last night to say that was 752 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: the greatest Major League game Johann Rojas has ever played. 753 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: It was also a lot hit, a sacrifice funt, he walked, 754 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: he got on base, he moved the runners over, he 755 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 2: ran the bass as well. He played a brilliant center 756 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 2: field and that Rob Thompson made a point to say 757 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: that last night. I'm sure he went up to him 758 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: after the game and said it to him personally. 759 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 3: But you know it's a strong words. Man. That's no joke. 760 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's He's seen a lot of baseball. 761 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 5: Rob Thompson's seen and and developed players and been around 762 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 5: baseball a long time. For him to make that statement, 763 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 5: and he's not one of those guys who's over states things. 764 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 3: That's not who he is. He's a pretty understated guy. 765 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 5: And for him to make that comment, one, that's it 766 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 5: got to be a great boost for Rojas, absolutely, And 767 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 5: two it's also got to be a great boost for 768 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 5: the team because it creates more depth on this ball club. 769 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 5: Anytime you have that kind of depth on your team, 770 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 5: it's a plus across the board. 771 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: Psychology one all one. 772 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 6: That kid heard that comment, and I'll tell you what, 773 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 6: he probably floated home and he couldn't wait to get 774 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 6: here today to keep improving and getting better. 775 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 3: That's that's good skippering. That's are we guys? What do 776 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: we think before we wrap this up? I don't want 777 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 3: to look ahead past today's game. 778 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 2: Of course, Tywan Walker that Phillies have a chance to 779 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 2: sweep Yep, but the Dodgers, the Dodgers. 780 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 3: I'm coming into town this weekend. Are we excited about 781 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 3: this series even though it's early April? I am, I mean, 782 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 3: just especially because the Dodgers are undefeated. That's a great 783 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 3: ball club. 784 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 5: I actually like the fact as a Philly fan, I 785 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 5: like the fact that they're coming in undefeated. They're going 786 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 5: to lose a game at some point, right and uh 787 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 5: and what better way to start a little bit of 788 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 5: a losing streak against the Phillies. But to me, it's 789 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 5: gonna be a great series. They're two great teams, two 790 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 5: of the best teams in the National League, without question. 791 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 5: Even on paper, I think they are probably two of 792 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 5: the most complete ball clubs. I think the Dodgers may 793 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 5: have a little bit of an edge in a couple 794 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 5: of areas, but again, Phillies match up well against them. 795 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 3: I think they've played well against them. 796 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 5: And uh, hey, you never know what's gonna happen until 797 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 5: the games are played. 798 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 3: But it'll be a heck of a weekend for the 799 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 3: Philly faith. 800 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 6: It'll be great, a lot of juice, Yamamoto, Sasaki, Otani, 801 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 6: They're all gonna be in center stage. But you know, 802 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 6: I'm not gonna sit here and say it's a big 803 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 6: test for the Phillies because we've got six months of 804 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 6: baseball to play. 805 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 3: Guys are up and down. 806 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 6: Teams change as acquisitions guys, so you don't know what 807 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 6: these teams are gonna look like late in the season. 808 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 3: I mean, they're gonna be pretty much the same. 809 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 6: But I would not call it a huge test, but 810 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 6: it's a it's a nice little quiz for the Phillies, 811 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 6: but it ain't gonna make or break this season. 812 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: It would be nice if they want. 813 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 6: I played well though, just to kind of have in 814 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 6: the back of your mind that you can handle these guys. 815 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 3: And I just think it's just the entertainment factor. Oh yeah, 816 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: for sure. Right the theater. 817 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 2: At jim A Baseball you know you got yeah, yeah, 818 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: like you said, the three Japanese superstars, you had the 819 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: World Series champions. 820 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: The Phillies are trying to get there. They have superstars. 821 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 6: The juice is gonna be incredible for first weekend to April. 822 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 6: I mean, jeezus, you can't beat that. Can't beat it 823 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 6: with a stick, can't beat it with a slice of 824 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 6: Mancos and mancos. 825 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 3: I'm stopping. 826 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm starving, so guys that Yeah, John Milton was 827 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 2: fantastic and he's out stuff. But that was a great story. 828 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: I do remember that in spring training you walked by 829 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: and said, I'll tell you at four o'clock and we're 830 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 2: like probably saying the same thing about uh about this, Yeah, 831 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 2: no doubt about it. 832 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: So guys, we'll be back. 833 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 2: We're gonna have a little more Dodgers preview look ahead tomorrow, 834 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: kind of wrapping up this series tomorrow. 835 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 3: So go to The Philly Show. 836 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 2: Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube, you know, follow 837 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 2: us on Apple. 838 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 3: We've got a cool guest tomorrow. You've got a cool guest. Absolutely, 839 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 3: we're gonna be citizens. Yeah, yeah, Citizens. 840 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, great time the Citizens Conversation with 841 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 2: Phillies managing partner. 842 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 3: Thank you so again. Thank you everybody. The Philly Show. 843 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 2: The Philly Show, brought to you by Citizens, makes sense 844 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 2: of your money with Citizens Official Bank of the Phillies 845 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 2: bringing in bars. 846 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 3: Smell Smelliam