WEBVTT - The Afterlives of Quentin Deranque 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.960 Also media. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:08.400 Hey everyone, it's me James. I just wanted to do 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.399 very quick introduction to the episode. We have split into 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.200 two parts because it went longer than we expected, so 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:15.920 you hear the first part to day, and you will 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:17.000 hear the second part tomorrow. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.599 Welcome everyone to It's could Happen here. My name is 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.880 Mick and I'm here with the lovely James Stouts and 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.840 the lovely Molly Conger. How are you guys doing. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.479 I'm great, so excited. I just love valve France. I 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.600 love all things French. I've had such great times in France. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.280 I just particularly love like French identitarianism. So I'm excited 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:44.000 you love French. No, it's love it with like like. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:45.520 France, James out huge. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.640 I just love like like the the idea, like of 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.720 the among nations like France is chosen one. It's just like. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.880 I'm not particularly anti French, but it is quite funny 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:58.080 to me. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.680 James travels to France every year to go to what 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:02.520 do they still have generation identity? 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.440 Yeah, I and every year they say, oh, well that 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.080 your accent is not correct. You've not used vo in 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.240 the in the requisite time. Therefore you are no longer 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.920 welcome here. I went to France once with some Quebecquar friends. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.959 This is a funny, like low key identity story. I've 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.240 already derailed this foc. Don't worry, don't worry. I went 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.880 with two Quebecquar friends and we like doing something official 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.480 and I did it, conducted my thing in French. It 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.160 was fine. I speak French and this wasn't an issue 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.320 for me. And then they went up at this woman 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.199 just when you don't speak French, sir, and then began 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.160 addressing them in English because she was unwilling to accept 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.240 the co called Quebecua in France. 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:44.560 That's so mean. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.800 Yeah, well, I for one am excited to hear about 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:49.920 I don't know a lot about this guy. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.720 No, he's a weird little guy, my favorite kind of guy. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.040 Yeah, exactly, notably, which is why I asked you. I'm 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.680 also just recovering from like an English person here saying 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.320 that they love friends. But that must that must be 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.960 like a historically first time that that good. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.639 Place to race bikes. It's a good place to if 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.840 you like to hang out in the mountains and race bikes. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.680 Pretty much France, Spain, maybe Italy is where it's at I. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.680 Visited once and I didn't. I don't know. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.919 People are always saying that you are so cruel to Americans. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:24.679 That wasn't my experience, but most people long enough, Yeah, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.840 it's And you know, I'll always treasure the week that 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.840 I spent in Paris because it is the only reason 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.559 I didn't get deported from Germany for visa violations. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.040 Okay, that that is a story I actually want to 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:44.520 hear after we're done recording. So but yeah, we're talking 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:50.680 about French identitarianism, French Nazis. But before you start, James, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.320 I want to ask you a very important question. First, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.560 you have a podcasting honorary degree, a PhD. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.480 I've heard that's right, Yeah, me and Joe Rogan both. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.320 Yeah, exactly, And I just must ask, how do you 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.800 deal with the recurring trauma of having to hear your 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:09.919 own voice on recording. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.840 I play it at one point five time speed, so 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:13.840 it doesn't sound like me. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:15.959 I was very curious about that. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.120 I've also had a fair shriff having to hear my 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.320 own voice, and it just doesn't get any easier. 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.320 No, I thought I would struggle with it because I 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.960 hate the sound of my own voice in casual context. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.200 But like listening to my own podcast, I guess because 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.960 I talk like this on my podcast and it sounds 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.720 a little different, right, So it's like. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.120 Oh, you go into podcast mode. Yeah, yeah, I have some. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:37.760 Sort of terry gross thing cooking. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:42.040 Okay, okay, yeah, I'll try that. Okay, yeah, I'll do 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:43.360 my Molly voice next time. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.440 Well, see that, this is the kind of information that 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.200 I need to cope with. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.120 Now you have to form an alter ego. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.400 Oh yeah, oh, like a into your podcast self a 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.640 podcast the doctor Checkle and mister Hyde exactly. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:58.320 Yeah. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.680 Podcasting is just the id of every man. Every white 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.520 guy in the world has a podcasting id. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.480 This is Freud would have loved this era. 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:08.320 He wouldn't. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.560 You don't have to psychoanalyze anyone anymore because they just. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:11.840 Say shit, just say it. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:12.520 They'll just say it. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.240 They put it on true social like it's not fun anymore. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:16.560 He'd be bored. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.599 Well, that would be counteracted by like the higher quality 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.080 cocaine that we have right now compared to his era. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.560 You would also be prosecuted for feeding his children cocaine. 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.880 So you know, you win some, you lose some. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.240 You never know. Deeffrey Epsteen got away with a lot 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.400 of shit, like maybe maybe Freud could have joined the club. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.320 That's a horrifying mix of worlds that. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.480 Tell us about this French nanasy. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.000 Oh okay, okay, I'm just I'm starting with a bit 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.960 of an introduction because this story actually. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.640 Happens in my hometown of Utrecht. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:49.600 Shit. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:50.640 Yeah. 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.440 Somewhere midway through February, a message started to circulate in 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.520 far right circles in the Netherlands. It originated from a 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.480 group called Defense Netherlands, whom a public call to visit 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.760 the AKU on the night of Thursday twenty sixth to 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.520 remember Quentin killed in a cowardly manner by Antifa in 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.559 Lyon earlier that month. Small side notes, all these groups 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.320 are so proud of the Netherlands, but never used Dutch language. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.320 And it's huh, it's my personal pet, peeve. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:20.320 Did you any English? 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.720 Yeah, they call themselves like Defend Netherlands. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.440 Oh, it's called Defend. It's not translated. It's it's not translated. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.600 That's so interesting I find with European Nazi groups used 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:31.720 primarily English. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.000 It is because it is for an American audience. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.840 Yeah, they're trying to communicate something. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.560 Because Americans only speak English. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.240 Yeah, but anyway, that was the message that was circulated 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.040 on Instagram and telegram. The top of the in which 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.200 that was shared showed a Celtic cross, a symbol with 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.280 a Christian and pagan origins but politically often used by 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:57.000 white supremacists and neo fascist groups. At the bottom is 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.039 an Italian slogan in orange letters, the national color of 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:08.040 the Netherlands, reading pertuti camarati kaluti presente. The slogan originates 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.520 from the Italian fascist movements and means for our fallen 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:16.200 comrades present, signaling that the fallen comrades are present in spirit. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.880 I can hear you all thinking, what the fuck has 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.520 the death in France to do with the political community 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.960 center in the Netherlands, because that is what accuous. It's 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:30.440 a community center. There's concerts, there's a bar, sometimes there's fundraisers. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.000 There's nothing openness going on there, but lots of more 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.720 left leaning people visit there, which is I think why. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.040 It was the original target. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.799 So but to understand how it came to be that 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.039 the death of French Nazi caused threats to a Dutch bar, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.800 we'll have to explore the circumstances of the death of 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:49.960 Quentin Drank. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:56.040 Drank, you're asking the wrong crowd speaks French French. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.560 I guess it's the hunk, like what the ei a 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:05.200 n k e u e duhon qud. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.039 Okay, I will I will butcher this pronunciation. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:09.440 It's okay if it's an. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.440 Yeah, exactly, it's okay. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.560 I it's friend that money money's now going to get 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.200 kicked out of Paris never again. He's a law of money. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.000 Okay, I'll help you circumvent Dutch fees a la. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:23.760 Don't worry. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.320 But Durand Rank was a far right activist who died 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.000 on February fourteenth after a violent altercation between the far 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.520 right and the far left. I also want to make 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.560 like a broad disclaimer regardless of where anyone listening to 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.640 this stance politically, I'm still going to say this was tragic. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.880 Quentin was only twenty three, barely an adult, and as 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.560 much as his worldview and politics were vile, cruel, and 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.080 pretty much everything I'm personally opposed to, it was still 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.760 a son, a friend, and a family member that that's 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:57.480 not coming home. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:57.920 Yeah. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.800 I think it's always a tragic thing for someone to 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.560 get beaten to death in the street, or at least almost. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.480 Always, almost almost always. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.120 But you know, I'm not saying it's wrong to punch 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.840 a Nazi in the face, but I think beating a 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.280 young man to death is probably not necessary in this case. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.680 Definitely, And I don't want to make it come off 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.640 like this as a celebration of some sorts, because it's not. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.600 It's a tragedy. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.600 And as much as the world will be a better 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.360 place without his politics, I still think it's within my 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.720 own moral lines to say, like, fuck, it shouldn't have happened. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.120 Yeah, And I think that's important to acknowledge upfront, because 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.960 I think correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.800 exactly where the conversation is going, but from what I 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.480 have seen in you know, following a bunch of telegram 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.720 chats from Nazis all over the world. And I haven't 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:48.480 engaged really with this story. I don't know a lot 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.679 about it, but I see his name a lot, so 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.160 his death has become something that isn't really about him. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.040 It's not about the tragic death of a young man, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.880 even to the people who are celebrating his life and 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.880 using his as a political tool, right it's like, it's 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.040 not about the tragedy of his death for the people 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.680 who would have been his friends. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:11.200 No, And I think we could add some asterisks later 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.880 on with friends. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.720 Because he wasn't white, wasn't he was half I think 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.600 his mother was Peruvian, half Peruvian exactly. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:20.080 Yeah. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:21.880 Anyway, sorry, sorry to derail me. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:23.439 No, that's fine. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.320 His death is tragic, and I think that is a 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.960 much more generous read of the situation than many of 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.280 his comrades would actually have. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:31.760 Yeah. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.840 And also it's like, if I'm going to celebrate it, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.640 then I'm no better than they would be, other than 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.920 being on another different political aisle. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.520 So but those two. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.280 Things can exist at the same time. But to get 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.360 back who was Quintin. He was a student at Leon University. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.360 I've read contradictory reports on what it exactly was that 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.840 he studied, but it was in the general area of 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:01.240 mathematics and data science. Around his late teens, he converted 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:05.080 to Catholicism, and outside of his studies, he was passionate 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:10.679 about philosophy and ethics, specifically Saint Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.439 Those close to him who had spoken with the media 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.000 and describe him as more of a buquirum than violent activist. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.880 Few quotes here to underline that he was a normal 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.600 young man who had reconnected with his roots, who loved 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.600 this country, his people, his civilization, his religion. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.920 Quentin belongs to the legend. He is already a hero and 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:30.400 a barter. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.640 Well well, yeah. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.800 These are the things said by the people who loved him. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.600 This was a friend of his who spoke to the media. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.160 Yeah, I mean, you always hear this about I mean, 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.559 I don't know anything about Quentin specifically, but just because 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.559 someone close to him said he was he was a 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.000 nice boy, he was never violent. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:48.280 You heard that about mass shooters. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.280 Yeah, yeah, great, iss all exactly. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.680 And apparently he was so devout in his Catholicism that 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.800 he managed to convince several family members to convert, which 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.000 led to him because among his own father's godfather. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.880 Wow, if you're an adult convert, anyone can be your 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.079 sponsor any other baptized Catholic adult. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.000 Everybody can confirmed Catholic a all. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.840 But it still feels weird to be It's like, who's 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.520 going to give who presents in in that dynamic? 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.720 Or Yah, what's the Christmas dynamic? 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:19.959 Now? 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:21.439 Does he do you get do you get too? 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:22.640 Exactly? 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.400 Otherwise they've just shorted you right like someone else could it, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.320 any any adult Catholic could have done that, and his 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.400 dad will be cashing in now exactly. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.400 And now now it's just an equal trait, uh sort 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.680 of yeah, because they have to give each other presents. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.720 The image painted have Quinta in the early days of 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.680 the coverage after his death overwhelmingly. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.760 Attempted to paint him as. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.240 Like this devout person, as a curious bystander who was 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.280 either at the wrong place at the wrong time, or 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.160 ominously targeted by left wing militants. This narrative seemed to 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.959 dominate until his Twitter accounts were found, so. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.680 You already know where this is going. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:00.520 Great. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.760 One of the first posts he bade was about his 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.840 support for the repeal of the Plevin and Guisa laws, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.520 which are French laws that prohibit all acaust denial, among 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:18.520 other things. Subsequent posts throughout the following years were frequently antisemitic, racist, Islamophobic, fascist, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.320 and homophobic. There will be some quotes later on. What 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.040 stood out to me most is that he seemed to 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.080 have like a very theoretical underpinning for his beliefs. This 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.800 is also a recurring theme that he seemed much more 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.199 ideologically constructed in his beliefs rather than your run of 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.240 the mill or your proud boy who are just like 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:40.840 straight dugs. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:42.000 Essentially. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.520 Yeah, I mean, the French really do excel at sort 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.839 of academic anti semitism. He's really I mean, that's he's 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.679 getting back to his French identity. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:53.440 Right exactly, yeah, exactly, Unlike most French academics. Half of 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.000 the things are completely impossible to understand. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.680 So another quote from Quinn in here, a fascist is 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.200 someone who supports fascism, someone who affirms the premacy of 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.960 the state over the individual. He wants the state to 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.320 be a regenerative force of a moral order and to 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.880 unite the nation. He opposes liberalism and Marxism. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.240 So if he hadn't had it that last caveat, it 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.040 could be describing like a Stalinist, right like. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.720 Yeah, I think that's why it was added. He just 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:26.640 copy pasted it. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.400 And also, by the way, those commies. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.600 Yeah all right, yes, the anti Tanky brigade has arrived. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.400 So sometimes he would also correct others or less informed 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.959 writing activists, and he said fascists and anti fascists literally 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.760 have two opposing visions of society. Political violence is not 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.880 unique to fascists. It is intrinsic to politics when you 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.200 have a bit of character, a bit of character. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.360 Oh well, well, yeah, that's I mean ironic, I suppose, yeah, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.320 that's one, or rather because it's not ironic. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:04.480 Yeah, there is a broken clock moment in there in that, Like, 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.880 political violence is not unique to fascists. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.000 But then but they tend to use it more. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.240 I would like you know, I was racking my brain 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.320 thinking about, you know, sort of street deaths of this 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.559 nature that I'm familiar with in my work about you know, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:18.680 white supremacist violence. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.640 They're usually the ones doing the killing. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.000 Sure there's political violence not unique to fascism, but they 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:25.680 sure do love it. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:27.320 Yeah, if they have embraced it. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.760 Yeah, but when thinking about the state and then how 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.960 the state itself is like a violence machine absolutely sort of. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.000 Supports the status quo. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.040 That's where I'm seeing the broken clock moments and yeah, good, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.760 did you notice a bolly bit about you need to 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.800 have a bit of character because that also comes back 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.840 later or on the twitters. He also commented about voting 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.880 for Fortress Europe, a fringe French political party led by 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.760 Pierre Marie Bono that made its campaign revolve around the 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.120 repeal of same sex marriage, reproduct of rights and the 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.120 creation of a nationality codes and a new form of 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.760 the country's population census with additional religious and ethnic related criteria. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:13.720 So like, already you know exactly what type of conservative 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.800 this guy was. Yeah, there were also a lot of 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.680 it that sort of very racist terms against black and 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:26.200 Muslim people, involving hearts are and words, including explicit calls 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.920 from murder. He used the acronym TND, which stands for 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.720 Total N Words depth. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.560 Oh yeah, so I can kind of guess where he 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:36.920 was hanging out online. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.280 Oh yeah, well he's really in deep. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.720 Well Twitter should have been enough of the red flag 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:42.680 for that, to be honest. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.840 Yeah, it's truated to probably you could get that whole 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.960 world view just from x dot com only everything. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.120 But he's reposting like T and D type content like 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:53.680 this is this is not a guy who was just 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:54.880 reading Thomas Aquinas. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.520 No, you get what I'm saying, But no one should 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:02.680 read Thomas Aquinas to be honest. Neither Saint Augustine. I've 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:07.680 read both some and hypnostick. What I do find very 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.200 interesting was a particular tweet in which he compared African 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.640 migration to German occupation, where he expressed his preference for 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:22.640 doughlecoselethic blondes over blacks with large nostrils and disproportionate lips. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:27.080 Oh that's great, and that's a very nice scrabble word 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.960 for those of you that play. It's a patholatic choice 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.480 of words. It comes from nineteenth century anthropology, back when 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:40.080 anthropology was more problematic than it is now. It's like 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:45.240 scientific racism pretty much. It comes from cephalometry, the measuring 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:46.320 of skulls and crania. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.960 Yes, I love a good calaper guy. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:54.440 Oology Now this was like a branching off of prenology. Okay, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.960 I dove into this because it was like, the fuck 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.400 is he saying? Yeah, But essentially it was used to 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.760 make different races, and of course the Aryan race was 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:04.440 the best one. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.320 Though les Co Sephalic refers. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.680 Specifically to the Aryan white race. What he essentially said 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.359 is that I prefer to be occupied by white people. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.320 So great guy. And then this is also how I 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.320 come back to like how well read he was in 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.520 this garbage, because those are not terms that you typically 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.240 find when you're you're researching Nazis or like the Nazi discourse. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.320 It almost is like an academic level of I mean, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.919 that's very French, very French. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.080 Well, it's reminded me of like quaintance of yours, Molly 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.080 Richard Spencer, who I think wants I'm not sure if 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:44.400 I can. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.520 Oh, he does love to let you know that he's 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:48.400 read philosophy. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.800 Yeah, yeah, he's not a common gutter racist. He's read papers, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.560 he's read anthropology. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.520 We can bleep the following word out because I'm not 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.120 too into like American discourse to know if I can 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.080 say this, but I think at some point he referred 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.760 to like people of African ancestry as or taroons. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:09.119 Oh yeah, that's an. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:13.240 It's a very obscure, like old racial slur. Like it's 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.640 something like my great great grandparents would have. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:16.399 Said, yea exactly. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.520 Yeah, that's a fascinating Yeah. They love to flag so 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:20.439 they have read a book. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.480 The N word is for common racist, I know, old 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:24.439 fashioned racist. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.879 They genuinely do see themselves above in the hierarchy of 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.320 people who say that, though like that. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.000 With well James has half a PhD, right. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:38.240 PH he had he had to drop out of his 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.080 PhD program to pursue a career in professional racism. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.280 I see. Ah, to be fair, many people in the 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.000 in the PhD academia world could have done. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.520 That, pursue a career in professional racism. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.840 Yeah, yes, yeah, that's the thing I have observed in 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:54.480 the academy. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.639 I believe that instantly. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.480 Yeah, you could argue in fact that in some disciplines 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.640 have a PhD is pursuing a career in professional racism. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.240 Now, I'm very curious as to what those disciplines are like. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.000 In anthropology more than fifty years ago. Oh yes, oh, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.360 de definitely it would be the obvious one. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:20.639 Yeah, it's as an anthropologist, Yeah, very much, very much true. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.879 I could say it's it's less bad now nowadays that 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.920 it was fifty or years ago, but still there. Yeah, 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:33.440 definitely that there's still improvements to be made. And speaking 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.680 of improvements, you are the products and services that support 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:38.440 this podcast. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:51.399 God save and we're back. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:56.160 So we left off with Quentin being on the twitters 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.880 and saying Twitter things there, and what you will gathereds 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.840 from this right now is that despite what his friends 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.399 and family and fellow fascists said he was definitely not 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.680 as peaceful or as harmless as they tried to portray him. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.200 In the wake of his death, he was also getting 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:20.080 increasingly involved with far right self defense groups, among possible others, 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:21.640 Active Club France. 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:23.760 Oh that's a NATTI group. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:29.720 Oh yeah, you don't say, my poor philosophy student. 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