1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the beginning of the weak 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, which means it is time for some 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: strange news. In this case, some very strange news. Today 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: we are exploring brutal corporate scandals. I think it goes 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: deeper than just a corporate scanal. I would say we're 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: exploring a literal plague, like something that would not be 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: out of place in the Old Testament, and we are 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: questioning the fundamental nature of how we experience time, we 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: the human species. Uh, that's this is the funny one, actually, guys. 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: It reminds me spoiling the story too much. Have you 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: have you, guys, ever heard of the Russian drinking game Submarine? 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: Have we ever talked about that, no, and I'm not 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,639 Speaker 1: to my knowledge. So in Russia a long time, there's 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: been this drinking game called Submarine, and I don't know 23 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: if you can even call it a game. Russian. Russian 24 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: speakers or people familiar with this, please write in and 25 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: explain to us what is defined as winning this game, 26 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: because I I am at a loss to understand it, 27 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: and it sounds like there's it feels okay. Here's what happens. 28 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: So if you wouldn't play Submarine, you get together with 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: a crew of like minded colleagues. You find an apartment 30 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: for this purpose. You black out all of the windows 31 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: of the apartment, you get rid of all the clocks, 32 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: anything that can help you interact with the outside world 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: or let you know what's going on, and you take 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: a ton of alcohol in there and you just drink 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: and drink and drink in the darkness, and the game 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: ends when you run out of books. What like, I'm right, 37 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it doesn't. I think everybody has a close 38 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: crew of friends, but I've never been hanging out with 39 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: anybody I know, and thought you would be awesome if 40 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: we were locked in the dart in an apartment and 41 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: just tried to give ourselves alcohol poisoning. But yeah, but 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: what if you did it instead in a cave segue? 43 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: I like it. That's okay, let's go there first. So 44 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: this is this is a weird one. Uh. Of our friends, 45 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: our fellow listeners on Here's where It Gets Crazy are 46 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: also aware of this. It caught my eye as well. 47 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: Someone is taking taking the booze out of the submarine 48 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: concept and they are launching an experiment which is going 49 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: on as we record today, to understand more about the 50 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: fundamentals of how human beings perceived time. This is fascinating 51 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: because time is something we've talked about this for but 52 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: time is something that we seem to experience right in 53 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: a linear fashion most mostly. But if you drill down 54 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: into the way the human brain works, and you drill 55 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: down into the ways different cultures encounter and think about time, 56 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: then you find the rules of the game get a 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: little fuzzy at the edges, Like if you have ever 58 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: if you have ever spent an extended amount of time, 59 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: there are if you ever spend an extended amount of 60 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: time like out in the woods or somewhere where your 61 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: body in your mind are marking the passage of seconds 62 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: and hours and days just based on the patterns of 63 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: the sun, the stars, and the moon. Then you'll notice 64 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 1: that pretty quickly your body clock will start to obey 65 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: something different from the twenty four hour period that all 66 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: most societies, the vast majority of society's practice, right, Like, 67 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: has this ever happened to you? Guys? Have you ever 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: been away from the human concept of time as it's 69 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: marked and then noticed your sleep patterns changing, notice your 70 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: waking activity peaks moving to different times. Well, and I 71 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: think this is a hot issue for a lot of people. 72 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: But daylight savings times all saving time, and I always 73 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: forget if there's an st they're not always messes me up. 74 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: Just that one hour changes my whole perception of time 75 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Uh. And if something as 76 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: simple as like you know, pushing the clock forward or 77 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: back an hour can do that, obviously it is kind 78 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: of a psychological construct. But yeah, no, I mean, and 79 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: it also depending COVID did it too. I think for 80 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot of us, when you didn't have as many 81 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: things to mark the time with, or a commute for example, 82 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: or a time that you had to show up in 83 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: person and be a place, I think there was you know, 84 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: the joke, it became a cliche or what even is 85 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: time during this COVID you know situation. Yeah, I would 86 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: just say that the internal clock of when the sun 87 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: is supposed to appear and when it's supposed to go away, 88 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: really like having that change arbitrarily by the humans deciding 89 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: that it's an hour earlier or later really does something 90 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: internally to to my biology. I can say that for sure, Yeah, 91 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: for sure. And I love pointing out the social structure 92 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: aspect of this, because time zones, you know, which largely 93 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: come about due to the railroad industry, time zones have 94 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: in some cases become a tool of control. Like the 95 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: way time zones work in China is very different, to 96 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: put it simply, very different from the way time zones 97 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: were in the US. And there are also, you know, 98 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: historical accounts of clindrical changes where like populations of a 99 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: certain town felt their days were quote unquote stolen from them. 100 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: And although that might sound a little bit absurd or 101 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: ridiculous when we look back with a benefit of retrospect, 102 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: the point is absolutely true. It feels like someone is 103 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: stealing an hour from your life when when everybody has 104 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: to jump ahead an hour and you know, it feels 105 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: a little bit like time travel when you get that 106 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: hour back back later. So we do know, we do 107 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: know that there are various maybe a good way to 108 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: describe them as various kinds of time like Einstein's famous 109 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: quote about relativity, well attribute to died side. This this 110 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: brings us to a very interesting experiment in France. There 111 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: are fifteen people, their volunteers, and they have been sealed 112 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: in a dark cave. It's gonna run for forty days. Uh. 113 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: They have no access to natural light. They have no 114 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: ability to tell time, so they are living a troglodytic existence. 115 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: They have no source of light at all, no phones, 116 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: no watches. The only way that they will be able 117 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: to have some sort of routine of wake and sleep 118 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: is going to be based on their own body rhythms 119 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: and based on their own reactions to the other fourteen 120 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: people in their cohort. This is mad, simply disorienting, you know, 121 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Like just like we talked about it all the time. 122 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: When we record, sometimes Will will be in the booth 123 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: here and we'll start, you know, like Mattnee movie rules, right, 124 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: and start out four thirty or something, and then we'll 125 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: leave our respective areas and we'll see that it's dark. 126 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: That's disorienting. Imagine that for forty days. Right, yeah, this 127 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: is okay. Let me just wrap my head around this. 128 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: There's no light in that cave or they using light 129 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: from out. There's no sunlight either. The only source of 130 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: light from what I understand, is through this pedal driven 131 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: dynamo that's going to be creating electricity. So there are 132 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: people just peddling in the dark. I need to see something. 133 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Someone get on the bike. Oh wow. So they Yeah, 134 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: they have to work together where one individual has to 135 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: be on the bike and then the rest of the 136 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: group can get something done. Wow. And the volunteers. The 137 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: volunteers range in a from twenty seven to fifty. They 138 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: have different walks of life, different jobs, and they're all 139 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: fitted with these sensors that scientists outside the cave can 140 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: use to measure their body's response to this incredibly unnatural situation. 141 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: According to neuroscientists Professor Attaine Copeland, this experiment is a 142 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: world first. The other anything else like this like there 143 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: have been other isolation experiments right Biosphere for instance, which 144 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: inspired a fantastic Polly Shore film. I'm kidding it. Was 145 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: was it poly Shore Biodome. Yeah, I was one of 146 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: the first appearances on the big screen of Tenacious D 147 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: as well. I'm not mistaken. Did not know that if 148 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: everything goes according to plan, this team of fifteen will 149 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: leave this cave on April twenty two, so not a 150 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: super long time for us. Who knows how much time 151 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote time it is for them? When? When when 152 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: they emerge, will they ever be the same again, that's 153 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: my question. That's a great question. I mean this also, 154 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, arguably, even though these folks are volunteers, this 155 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: could be seen as skirting the limits of ethics as 156 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: we understand them for human for human experimentation. Of course, 157 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: they are being continually monitored, so we would assume that 158 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: if something, if someone has a grievous injury or really 159 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: bad reaction, the scientists will pull them out. But we 160 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: don't know for sure just because it's never been done. 161 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about this, you can 162 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: go to deep Time dot f R. You can pick 163 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: a couple of different languages to learn more about this. 164 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: For the point of ethics, you know this this could 165 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: also be seen as similar to the Stanford prison experiment. 166 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: This could also be seen as similar to the Biosphere two. Specifically, 167 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Biosphere two is a bit of a cautionary tale because 168 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: that experiment had to end when the oxygen inside the 169 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: people container the biodome hit dangerous levels and everyone involved, 170 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: all eight people, nearly starved to death. What does this 171 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: tell us? Why are we doing this weird, cruel, fascinating thing. Well, 172 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: in the future, if humanity does not self destruct, there 173 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: are going to be increasing cases of long term isolation, 174 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: and they're kind of similar to this. Maybe not in 175 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: the fact that they're in a cave, but imagine you're 176 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: in space. You are you are escaping the star that 177 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: has ruled your life for so very long. Astronaut time 178 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: is a thing, and it's going to be an increasingly 179 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: complicated thing as humanity travels humanity and all the paraphernalia 180 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: of humanity travel deeper into the ink that surrounds Earth. 181 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: I want to know if you guys would do it. No, 182 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: that's a hard pass from me. Um, sure, yeah, I 183 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: would do this, for sure, I would do this. Um. Well, 184 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: caves are the best. And if you don't believe that, 185 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: and you don't fully or if you're not fully on 186 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: board with caves. Then let's have a conversation and I 187 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: will I will change your mind. O. Caves have a 188 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: bad rap though, Matt. You think about you know, cave collapses. 189 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: You know, creepy things live in caves, Like where where 190 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: are you getting all this positive cave of energy from? Look, 191 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: minds collapse and that's because humans are trying to get 192 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: stuff out of the holes in the earth that are there. 193 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: Caves don't collapse, so that often, especially if you take 194 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: care to maintain them and you're aware, you know that 195 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: it's an important structure. It's cool, and there's a whole 196 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: there's a whole ecosystem that's living down there. Um. The 197 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: other thing is you're in the dark. You don't have 198 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: a lot of tools. You've got that bike that can 199 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: provide you with much needed, much needed light. There's not 200 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: much to do. Um, I'm wondering what I would get 201 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: up to besides having philosophical conversations with with my cohort. Yeah, 202 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like I would I would do this 203 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: by myself. I don't know if I would want to 204 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: do it with fourteen other people or with anybody else. Really, 205 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: just leave leave me, leave me down there with the 206 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: creepy stuff that only exists in that ecosystem. You might 207 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: be startled if you were not too familiar with caves 208 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: and caverns, you might be startled to learn just how 209 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: many are still unexplored. There's a lot of stuff going 210 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: on under the surface there. Uh. The point about unique 211 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: ecosystems is also fascinating. I'm a I'm a big fan 212 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: of caves. Years ago, we all watched Oh gosh, what 213 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: was the planet Earth? Was that the name of it? 214 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: So they have these two great episodes the stereotypical of me. 215 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: But the two great episodes that I really enjoyed were 216 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: the ones about the depths of the ocean, the abyssal 217 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: plane and the ones about caverns and cave ecosystems. Because 218 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is everything basically runs on 219 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: the energy from the sun. We talked about it in 220 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: that episode where we ruined sunscreen. Caves kind of do 221 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: a little bit because creatures that travel to and from 222 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: caves become the foundation of the caverns ecosystem, specifically guano 223 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: or that's like the most amazing stuff you see in 224 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: a lot of caves is fueled by batch. Uh, and 225 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: that's like that's how the sun's energy gets in there um. 226 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: Without nerding out too much about caves, this could also 227 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: this experiment could also instru does on how to handle 228 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: the physiological and psychological changes humans experience in submarines. So yeah, 229 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: I brought it back. It wasn't just a Russian drinking game. 230 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: And thanks man. And with with this in mind, you know, 231 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you folks. Would you do this? 232 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: Have you done something like this? What is the longest 233 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: you have been away from the concept of human time 234 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: as we understand it today? Last fun fact here, uh, 235 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, to your point, Know, I think a lot 236 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: of people experienced some surprising shifts in their body cycles, 237 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: circadian rhythms, the wake sleep divide, and ratio during COVID 238 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: and during the pandemic. Before the advent of you know, 239 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: man made light electric light in particular, people did live 240 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: and wake and sleep following the patterns of the sun. 241 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: But people also tended to practice what today is called 242 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: polyphasic sleep. So the the idea of sleeping at an 243 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: eight hour stretch every twenty four hours, it's like a 244 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: good ballpark. But for many reasons, that doesn't that doesn't 245 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: work for everybody. And back in the day before people 246 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: had electric lights and clocks, a lot of folks would 247 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: sleep in like four hour increments, and you'd wake up 248 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, and that's when you 249 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: get up to the weird stuff, you know, and that's 250 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: when you would do things you didn't want the other 251 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: people in your village to know about, go to your sabbath, 252 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, cast some spells, sneak around and steal stuff. 253 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: And there's a good argument to be made that the 254 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: concept of human time as we understand it now will 255 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: prove to be somewhat of a fad thousands and thousands 256 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: of years in the future. Like if you if you 257 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: live on Mars in the future, or if you live 258 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, further out somewhere, and then what what good 259 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: really is the calendar? But what does what is your birthday? 260 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: At this point? When do you when do you sleep? 261 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: When you're on a planet that doesn't have what you 262 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: understand as a twenty four hour day. And even further 263 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: and the current concept of time becomes even less relevant 264 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: when we consider how complicated it is to measure time 265 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: while you're traveling. Right, So let's say you're traveling from 266 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: Earth to another solar system. Um, for some reason, that 267 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: was a good thing to do. The technology was there. 268 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: Ellen Musk really pitched you hard at Davos or something. 269 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: So you're on board. What good is that clock? It'll 270 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: it'll count, you know, in your spaceship. You'll be like, Okay, 271 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: this is definitely five PM and it's definitely Tuesday here 272 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: on our spaceship. But that will not mean a thing 273 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: to the people of Earth or the people what other 274 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: destination you're at. Shout out to Interstellar the way they 275 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: play with time, Yes, exactly. It's It's very interesting to 276 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: me because it feels like you'd only keep that around 277 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: as a means of organizing everybody's actions and duties. Right 278 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: that that is the only reason why you would maintain 279 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: time on a spaceship. Make sure that everybody who needs 280 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: to be in the engineering room is in the engineering room. 281 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: Make sure that everyone gets to use the washing facilities, 282 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: separated out over time. Um, that's really yeah, that's you 283 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: never really think about that. When you're watching the folks 284 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: on Star Trek just hanging out of the enterprise doing 285 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: stuff and everybody is synchronized. You never really think about it. 286 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: And he always does mark a date and time, star date, 287 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: whatever is that? Is he using a real system there 288 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: or is that just kind of made up within the 289 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: lore of the universe. Well, you know, our human concept 290 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: of time is relatively made up. You could that's that's 291 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: a really good point. And I was going to ask 292 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: you before we moved on. Um, if you think, you know, 293 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: the biological stuff connected with the sun is more powerful, 294 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: as powerful, or less than the way we interact with 295 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: other people and our routines, because as we know, like 296 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: so much of how we mark time has to do 297 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: with how we interact with other people who are on 298 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: the same time standard as we are. So if we 299 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: say travel to the West coast or you know, overseas, 300 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: it takes a few days to get up to speed 301 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: with everyone else who's been existing on that let's call it, 302 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: you know, timetable or what have you. Um, what do 303 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: you guys think about that? Yeah? I think my mind 304 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: would say, well, I mean, we know there's two aspects 305 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: to it. We know there is a biological circadian rhythm 306 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: thing that we all have to some extent. Whether or 307 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: not we stick to it, it's kind of up to us. Um. 308 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: I I know, I certainly don't. I do not sleep enough. 309 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: I know several of us on this show do the same. Yeah, 310 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: that's right, I know, I know how you feel, dude. 311 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: Come um, But I would say the most beneficial thing 312 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: for time and timekeeping is to be in sync with 313 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: one another year. That's what I would say. No, Yeah, 314 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: time is I attempted to agree. Time is um the 315 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: way humans understand it. Time is sort of a study 316 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: of relationships, right, It's time exists in context to these 317 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: these tasks, these activities, these interactions. I would argue, you know, 318 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: freestyling here, but I would argue biological time, or the 319 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: timetable that Earth moves on without humans, is more important 320 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: because you could destroy all the clocks, like you could 321 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: destroy all the clocks and methods of measuring time the 322 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: way we understand it, and you would still see biological time, 323 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: which cannot be erased. And you would also, I mean, 324 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: it'd be impossible to tell people not like nobody build watches. 325 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: You will be arrested if you have a sun dial 326 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: that will never work. And you can obviously tell time 327 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: by just the passage of the sun. It's very it's 328 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: very easy. But but what if the sun, say was 329 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: like blacked out. What if the sun I know, that 330 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: would like you know, for all intents and purposes, do 331 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: a lot of harm, if not to completely eradicate life 332 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: on earth. But what if we didn't have that and 333 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: we lived in complete darkness except for artificial light, and 334 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: we had to just make benchmarks for ourselves like how 335 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: how would how do you think that would affect our minds? 336 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: And when we have to just agree when to sleep? 337 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: Was obviously the constant here is that we as human 338 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: beings need to sleep at some point for some duration. Now, yeah, 339 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: you're right, that's what the study is all about. That's 340 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: that's the exciting thing going on here. M hmm. I 341 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: was gonna say we will. We'll have to ask our 342 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: fearless volunteers when they emerge, hopefully unscathed. This this is 343 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: gonna be a very important question. We also want to 344 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: hear from you folks as always, do let us know 345 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy and I heart radio dot com or give us 346 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: call one three three std W y t K. What's 347 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: the longest you've been away from human time? What did 348 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: it do to you? Did you return to quote unquote 349 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: normal or do you still sleep in like four two 350 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: hour increments? Spread across this somewhat arbitrary twenty four hours. 351 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: And I'm kidding, it's not arbitrary. There is a logic 352 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: to it. But we are going to pause for a 353 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor and we will return in time 354 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: with another piece of strange news. And we're back with 355 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: more strange news. This was super strange. It's a it's 356 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: a very small story, but it's a small story that 357 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: when multiplied and taken, you know, as a whole, it's 358 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: a huge story. Um am I being cryptic, yus, Uh, 359 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: it is about my story, about my specifically in Australia. 360 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: Uh and uh. They have had some real biblical issues 361 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: in Australia over the past few years. I mean they did, 362 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: thank god, they did such a good job of eradicating 363 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: COVID super quickly. They seem to handle that really well. 364 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: But then they obviously had all those terrible wildfires that 365 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: were absolutely out of control, so they needed a break 366 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: with the COVID things. So that's that's fantastic. But now 367 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: they have another one that's apparently been happening since October 368 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: um and it is essentially biblically proportioned plague of rodents um. 369 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: So why is this happening, Um, I think a little 370 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: bit of a hard time. I think they are having 371 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: a hard time kind of perfectly nailing it down. But 372 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: it has to do with um, a significant drought uh 373 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: followed by a significant portion of rain rainy season that 374 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: caused the mouse population to absolutely balloon. UM. So essentially 375 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: what's happening in the uh eastern part of Australia is 376 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: they're just seeing, you know, thousands and thousands of mice. 377 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: I saw an article that described it as like a 378 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: sentient carpet of mice just moving as though it were 379 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: one giant, you know, organism, like a hive mind. Um. 380 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: And this is happening specifically in New South Wales, Australia, 381 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: southern Queensland, to the point where it's like people are 382 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: just have all of these mice war stories. Um. There 383 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: there was an account in The Guardian from Lisa Gore, 384 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: who lives in the fantastically named town of Toowoomba uh 385 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: and she said that, um, they have had to strip 386 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: the fabric off of their furniture because it smells so bad. Uh. 387 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: And when they did that, they actually found a nest 388 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: of baby mice inside the stuffing. UM. You know, local 389 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: officials are recommending everyone plug up any entry or exit 390 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: point to their houses, like in terms of like little 391 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: you know, holes or crevices with steel wool, because these 392 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: mice have found ways to get in just about every 393 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: way you can imagine. Um, there's a video I have 394 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: here from Matilda Bosley. It's a tweet, uh hashtag mouse 395 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: plague and it is absolute nightmare fuel. It's a shot 396 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: of like one of those like office type vents, you know, 397 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: the concentric squares with the slots in between. UM, and 398 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: you literally just see dozens of glinting eyes peering at 399 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: you from out of the darkness. Um. It is. It 400 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: is terrifying stuff. Uh. And apparently it's so bad in 401 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: the same way that you know, when COVID hit, we 402 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: were having a hard time getting toilet paper and UM 403 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: sanitizer or you know, uh like various cleaning supplies. UM. 404 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: Mouse traps are impossible to get in this part of Australia. Uh. 405 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: And people are saying the smell is absolutely unbearable because 406 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: of these creatures just you know, hide in the walls 407 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: and then they just die. And he said it's so 408 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: difficult to find all the bodies there is one report 409 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: from a store owner saying that they're catching between four 410 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: hundred and five hundred in a week's time. Um. And yeah, 411 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: they literally like this. Grocery store owners saying they have 412 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: to get rid of five or six bins of groceries 413 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: that they're having to throw out each week. And here 414 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: here's sort of an explanation that that they think might 415 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: be the case of why this explosion of the mouse 416 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: population is happening. Um. After quite a few years of 417 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: severe drought, which is responsible for those wildfires in rural 418 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: New South Wales and parts of Queensland, they had a 419 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: bit of a rainy season that came and gave them 420 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: a bumper crop. Um. But with all of these new 421 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: grains and vegetables, uh, came an explosion of this mouse population. 422 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: They started noticing it as far back as October UM 423 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: and it was literally just you know, waves and waves 424 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: of these mice just taking over the land and it's 425 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: just gotten worse. Um. There was a one report against 426 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: from that same shop owner saying that this has so 427 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: far cost his business thirty dollars. And in the same 428 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: way that COVID ravaged so many small businesses, this is 429 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: doing the same and they're not sure how they're going 430 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: to be able to continue with these kind of losses um. 431 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: And this is talking about after three months of this, 432 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: this type of loss um and it's affecting people's daily 433 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: lives too. They're they're getting into people's cars, you know, 434 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: they're getting into people's homes and bedrooms and uh just 435 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: like you know, pooping everywhere and urinating everywhere, and like 436 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: I said, dying in the walls. Um. And you can 437 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: google this h and you you'll see, um, just insane 438 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: footage of like I said, these things crawling into underneath 439 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: the bottoms of cars, uh, into refrigerators, industrial equipment, things 440 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: like that. And it's I just don't know, how do 441 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: you even deal with that. There were some accounts from 442 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: families saying, you know, oh, we're making it kind of 443 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: a family affair. We've got the kids helping us create 444 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: improvised trap out of wine bottles and buckets. There's an 445 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: account of one family having drowned more than three d 446 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: mice and a bucket, uh, just to just to kind 447 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: of make a dent. And yet with the absolute scale 448 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: of this infestation, people don't think it's making a lick 449 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: of difference Yeah, there's a there's a really interesting thing 450 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: going on here. For a very long time, the island 451 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: slash continent of Australia was a unique environment, right, Like 452 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: if you look at just the preponderance of marsupials animals 453 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: that do not live anywhere else on the planet, uh, 454 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: you can see very clear terms how the arrival of 455 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: the outside world, along with all its accoutrement and living creatures, 456 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: how just how profoundly it affected the natural Australian environment. 457 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: Plagues like this or like this one in particular, I 458 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: would argue can occur because the ice or an invasive species, 459 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: which means the ecosystem here has not um has not 460 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: evolved a response, right, something to cut this off, and 461 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: there was more food available. A bumper crop means an 462 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: unusually large harvest, right, So this causes the mice to 463 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: get get to mice in earlier in the season than usual. 464 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: But one thing that I think we should point out 465 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: very important here, this is not the first mice plague 466 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: rodeo for Australia, right They came. Mice came with Europeans 467 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: in seventeen and they have had other plagues like ever 468 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: since then. For the past few centuries. I think the 469 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: biggest one, at least before this was like the size 470 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: of the plague is accelerating exactly I believe, was called 471 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: like them, they literally called it the mouse plague of 472 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: I just never really thought of the term mouse plague before. 473 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 1: But if that's something that's you know, part your world, 474 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: I guess there's no better way of referring to it, um, 475 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: but your right. Then. The government of New South Wales 476 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: has been pretty unhelpful and they you know, citizens and 477 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: store owners and in small businesses, et cetera, have been 478 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: asking to get relief in the form of whether it's 479 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: pesticides or or traps or more like analog kind of 480 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: methods just to help them. Uh, they are not so 481 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: far coming to anyone's aid. Apparently they're very wary, according 482 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: to this Guardian article, of spending what would essentially amount 483 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: to tens of millions of dollars to try to wipe 484 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: out this plague. When they believe, and this is probably 485 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: a more grounded in reality belief than that of you know, uh, 486 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: COVID disappearing with a change of season. Um. They believe 487 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: that a cold snap or a heavy period of rain 488 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: could wipe them out. Naturally, but you know, that's a 489 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: lot for people to bank on when they're they're literally, 490 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, having to kill hundreds of mice every day, 491 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: and you have these pictures of like children, you know, 492 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: like uh, making improvised mouse traps and holding up these 493 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: these these these trophies almost I just you know, I 494 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: had one situation. I lived in a house very temporarily um, 495 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: when I first moved to Atlanta. I was staying with 496 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: a friend, um, and we had mice in the walls 497 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: and it smells atrocious. And we did have a situation 498 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: where we had one in a trap that was still 499 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: halfway alive, and we didn't know what to do. It's like, 500 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: you want to be humane, and it's so inherently inhumane, 501 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: but I imagine all that would go straight out the 502 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: window when you're dealing with just literally thousands of them, 503 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, there are a couple of problems here. Um. 504 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: The first one is you can't really do a Charlie 505 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: Day thing where you just go down to the basement 506 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: with a middle pole and you just bash some rodents, right, 507 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: can't just um. But and it's mostly because they're so 508 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: small and so fast. There's so many of these and 509 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: they're so tiny. Um, you can't do that. What I'm 510 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: for posing, I want to see what you guys think 511 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: about this. Some kind of new vacuum system that incorporates 512 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: cheese at the end of the a large mouthed hose 513 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: that the cheese is affixed at the end of the 514 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: large hose and it's a silent vacuum has to be 515 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: very quiet and not silent, but just quiet, quiet running, 516 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: so the vacuum part is far away from where the 517 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: actual hose end is. And then you just vacuum the 518 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: mice into a container it's safe, doesn't kill them, and 519 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 1: then you can transport them to Mice Island. Now we 520 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: can either build mice Island or we can you know, 521 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: decide this island is now mice Island. Um, whichever way 522 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter. I feel like building mice Island 523 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: could be cooler, you know. Um No, No, I'm like, 524 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: I'm my intense gaze is need like thinking through and 525 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: wondering if we can get this, get this locked down 526 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: with like dicon or something before before someone scoops us. Uh, 527 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: there you go, send them to Snake Island. That's that's 528 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: coming directly from Doc Holiday I love it. I love it. 529 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Or even Cat Island, you know Cat Island would be 530 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: would be cool that they'd have a field day. I 531 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: mean I had an indoor outdoor cat for for a while, 532 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: uh years ago, who would constantly bring little mice trophy 533 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, serial killer slayings kind of and leave them 534 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: at my doorstop. Um, so I know their game for 535 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: a little mice eradication and be an absolute field day. 536 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: I do want to point out too, that like this 537 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: is a several fold problem because obviously these creatures can 538 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: can cause the spread of disease, and they are a 539 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: self replicating system obviously because they breed uh insanely. Apparently, 540 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: female mice can breed from six weeks old and give 541 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: birth to fifty baby mice or pups um a single year. 542 00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: So you know, multiply that with the thousands already in existence. Uh, 543 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: that's absolutely staggering. Yeah. And it's also cyclical. Right from 544 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: what I understand, this plague returns around every four years 545 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: or so. And you know, um, I know the mice 546 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: are definitely the quote unquote bad guy antagonists in this situation, 547 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: but they're just doing what they have evolved to do. 548 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you when the population reaches this kind 549 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: of density, the mice are miserable too. Resources are in 550 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: short supply, a lot of them are going to be 551 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: living very short, very brutal lives. Uh. But still the 552 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: disease vector is the main thing for for the humans evolved. 553 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: And then this call this like this is expensive. We're 554 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: talking millions and millions of dollars of damage. It's true 555 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: damage to two crops, to property. We're talking about like 556 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: bales of hay even that are being infested by these 557 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: mice and you know, they're urinating and uh, pooping in 558 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: the bales of hay, and they're was some figure that 559 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: it's cost the farming industry several millions of dollars already 560 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: just in bales of hay that have to be destroyed 561 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: because you can't feed you know, hey, two cows because 562 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: it would kill them or it would make them very sick. Right. Um. 563 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: So it's interesting actually been to your point about disease 564 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: that has not been any of the reporting that I've seen, 565 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's something that just has 566 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: requires a longer timeline to be able to attribute or 567 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: to track, but got hoping for that cold snap man. 568 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: This story is only about three or four days old 569 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: in terms of the press cycle, press coverage. But like 570 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: we say, it's been going on there, you know, since 571 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: October UM, so that is just wild stuff. I don't 572 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's pretty scary. You have to 573 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: watch out for limps. Is it lymphocitic? I think it's 574 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: lymphadic quiomeningitis or something like that. It's a form of 575 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: meningitis that can be spread by these guys, but it's 576 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: it's very rare. And also the symptoms that are just iribed. 577 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: In a Guardian article quoting Priscilla Stanley from the local 578 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: health district, the symptoms are like web md level on, 579 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: discomforting and vague. One of the symptoms that Stanley points 580 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: out is sore red eyes. I I hate we're reporting 581 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: this because it is a symptom. But for anybody who 582 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: just had a panicked look in the mirror, I promise 583 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: you it's probably not related to a mice plague. If 584 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: you have smore red eyes, there are any number of 585 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: other things that could explain that, yeah, or lack of 586 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: sleep yea yeah, guys. Can you can you imagine the 587 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: the extra trest real highly intelligent species version of this 588 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: conversation about humans. Oh, yes, I was thinking about they 589 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: can replicate one, one or two more every nine eight 590 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: to nine months. Um, they just take over everything there's 591 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: They're filthy, they spread diseases, they ruin every ecosystem they 592 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: interact with. Well, it's it's funny to mention that, Matt, 593 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: because we're talking a little bit off air. I think 594 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: we've mentioned this on this show before, but there's a 595 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: sci fi author named Adrian Tchaikovsky that I got really 596 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: into recently who does uh without spoiling his work. He 597 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: has these fantastic novels that explore what would happen if 598 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: there were a if another life form evolved to become 599 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: like the evolved to fill the ecological niche of humanity, right, 600 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: they became sentient, the ravens, the corvids, the octopuses and 601 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: so on. And there is one um I believe it 602 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: is it's in the Doors of Eden, But there's one um. 603 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: There's one exploration of what would happen to the planet 604 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: had a rodent like creature of all to become the 605 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: quote unquote human, And it's it's disastrous because of the overpopulation, 606 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: but I am yeah, sure, wouldn't you consider humans a 607 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: plague if you were an extra terrestrial creature and you 608 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: saw them, you know, heading to your moon on Jupiter 609 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: or whatever, and be like, these guys are bad news totally. 610 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: And I mean humans are much more calculated ly bad 611 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: news the mice. It's hard to blame them for just 612 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: their biological imperative, right, I mean, humans make some pretty 613 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: dumb decisions and should know better. You know, I'm with you. 614 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 1: And this is the kind of thing too where it's like, 615 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,959 Speaker 1: I'd be fascinated to know what the very extreme um 616 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: animal rights folks think about this. Would their position be, no, 617 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: you can't kill the mice, you know, uh, let them, 618 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: let them do their thing, or would they even kind 619 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: of understand that there was more at stake here than 620 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: the lives of the little little guys. It is weird. 621 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: Each one is a living thing, feels It's funny. I've 622 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: been rewatching six ft under very really special, wonderful show 623 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: if anyone hasn't checked it out. But this is a spoiler. 624 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: It's just a character that comes up in a later 625 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: season played by Rain Wilson. Friend of the podcast or 626 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: the network. Uh, what's the terry carnation, right, isn't that? 627 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: This character on Radio Rental, he plays an apprentice that 628 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: joins the Fishers and their their funeral home business, Fisher 629 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: and sons, and he and Ruth the mother kind of 630 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: hit it off. And one of the ways they initially 631 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: hit it off as they both say the same thing about, well, 632 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 1: we love all living things, but mice deserve to die 633 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: because they carry germs. There you go, Yeah, poor guys. 634 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, from what I understand, these plates tend to 635 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: subside with the seasons, right when you mentioned the cold 636 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: weather earlier. Yeah, exactly, and that's certainly what the government is. 637 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, I understand that there's 638 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: hard decisions you have to make when you're a leader. 639 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: You have to make calculation of like is it worth 640 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: it to spend the resources to, you know, quell this 641 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 1: thing now that only affects a certain portion of the population. Um, 642 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: when we think or or are pretty confident that something 643 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: natural is gonna come along and fix it without having 644 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: to spend a dime, or are you essentially being cruel 645 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: and subjecting your citizens to a hellish existence by not 646 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: stepping in? Um? I don't know the answer to that. 647 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: It seems to me a little irresponsible, because who knows 648 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: when that cold snap will come? Uh, and who know, 649 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,399 Speaker 1: you know, given the weirdness of weather, and and who 650 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: knows when that super rainy season will be required will 651 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: come given the drought conditions. So I just I don't know, 652 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: it seems pretty pretty responsible to me. Well, with with 653 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: that relatively bleak story, which will absolutely keep uh an 654 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: eye on um, We're going to hop to another commercial break, 655 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with one more piece of 656 00:40:50,600 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: strange news. Hello, welcome back. I wonder if you and 657 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: see me? Can you see me? Hello? Is a video 658 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: effect of Matt going through the worm. Okay, I'm sorry, 659 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm done. Pretty cool. No, this is definitely going to 660 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: be the YouTube clip and just get trying to give 661 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: Doc holiday ideas for more music videos. We've already got 662 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: something working with Taco Bell and what's the name of 663 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: that thing we're discussing this no longer there the Fiesta potatoes. 664 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: A lot of good menu items died. A lot of 665 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: good menu items died. Mexican pizza. Believe Doc's favorite was 666 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: the Mexi melts. If I'm not the chat, I just 667 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: want to say, the cheesy Fiesta potatoes came back, so 668 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: there's hope yet for these extinct menu items. Oh man, 669 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: and they've still got that Schloopa Supreme. That's my all 670 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 1: time favorite. Actually, know, the Gordia Supreme was my favorite. 671 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: I love the I love the confidence, you know what 672 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, The like the hotspah to put supreme in 673 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: the title stuff, you know what I mean. It's just 674 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: sour cream, man is sour Supreme and some salsa and stuff. Okay, 675 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk a little bit about Epstein today, 676 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: and we mentioned it at the top of this a 677 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: little bit. We're not gonna do that today. We're talking 678 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: about that later. But what we are going to talk 679 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: about is one specific instance of what happens when one 680 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: person decides not to leave a house. Um, we've we've 681 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: mentioned this before on the show a couple of times. 682 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the full context in which 683 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: we've discussed it. But the concept of evictions and the 684 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 1: rights that an individual or group has when they are 685 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: living in a place, and now it changes a lot 686 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: over especially in the United States. It changes on a 687 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: state by state basis. There are some rules that apply overall, 688 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: but most of it is it's gonna be handled in 689 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: whichever state you're living in. Now, I'm gonna read a 690 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: story to you from Fox to Detroy eight. This is 691 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: the headline. Couple buys riverside dream home, but seller refuses 692 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: to move out in eviction moratorium loophole. So the concept 693 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: here is that I'll just give it to you. The 694 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: overall thing. Man one owns a five hundred and sixty 695 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: thou dollar house. It's a big, really nice five thousand 696 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: dollar house. He need. He calls up a real estate 697 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: agent and says, hey, man, I really need to sell 698 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: my home really quickly. It needs to be at least 699 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty thou dollars and I need to 700 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: sell it in like two weeks. Let's do this. So 701 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: real estate agent and Man number one put out you 702 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: know an ad as you do, or here's the information 703 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: on this house. We need it sold quickly. On the 704 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: other side, you've got a couple, a younger couple that 705 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: are trying to purchase a home. They identify this home, 706 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: they realize that it's worth more than that amount of 707 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: money on the market, so they think, oh, this is 708 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: a great deal. We're gonna buy this house. We're gonna 709 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 1: scrap together all the money, get some loans, make it happen. 710 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: Right now, let's do this. That was in January of 711 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: twenty I believe when that occurred January one, That is 712 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 1: the purchase date of the home. That is when five 713 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand dollars went into the bank account 714 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: of person one, the guy who owned the house and 715 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: was living in the house. Now, that occurs, and usually 716 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: there's a contract if you're buying or selling a home, 717 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: if you're renting, you're moving, anything like that, there's a 718 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: contract that says when you are allowed to move into 719 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: this new purchase or this newly rented, newly leased home. 720 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: In this case, that date came and it went because 721 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: when the couple arrived there to try and take over 722 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: the new property, the man just decided he wasn't gonna leave. 723 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: He says, yeah, I know you you you know, paid 724 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: for this house and transferred all of these documents to you. 725 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: It's all legal, it's all written out, and everybody's got it. 726 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 1: The banks are involved, everybody knows there's a legal purchase here, 727 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: but I'm not leaving um. And there's a bit of 728 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: weirdness occurring here because this was in early January of 729 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: and we all remember that a couple of months from 730 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: that point, just like I think around a month and 731 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: a half from that point, we all realized as a 732 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: world that there was a pandemic going on and nobody 733 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,399 Speaker 1: could really leave their homes at all. I don't see 734 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 1: in this reporting exactly how that came into play here, 735 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: at least from a timeline standpoint, but it is very 736 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: very odd to imagine that this could happen and like 737 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: a sheriff or a police officer wouldn't be able to 738 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: go to the house. Do the police knock on the 739 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: door and then just say get out, get out, this 740 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: is not your house. Leave And apparently that that will 741 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: not occur is because of squatters rights or something. I 742 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: don't understand. Why why can't they do that? Like you know, 743 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 1: people get evicted all the time. People's stuff gets thrown 744 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: out into yards if they miss a rent payment. Um 745 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: they're saying, I mean, it's weird. Like here, here's here's 746 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: a quote from the article from an eviction attorney named 747 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: Dennis Block. He says, this person is not a tenant, 748 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: it's a previous owner who's enjoying the benefits of the 749 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: money that was transferred to to his account, but he 750 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: doesn't want to move out of the premises that he 751 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 1: no longer owns. He's like just saying, like, that's what's 752 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: going on here. Um. So, according to what's been written 753 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: up here in this article, they're saying that they closed 754 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: the escrow in January and they've contacted authorities. They've been 755 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,879 Speaker 1: attempting for a long time now this to to get 756 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,280 Speaker 1: this person out, but they've gotten nowhere, and they're saying 757 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: it's like a COVID tenant situation. Um, the concept where 758 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: there's been a moratorium on a fictions right um in 759 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 1: a lot of places be and rightly so, it's been 760 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: it's been made much more difficult to evict someone from 761 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: a home if you are the landowner and someone is 762 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: renting that property. You can't just kick someone on the 763 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,879 Speaker 1: street because people are having problems making rent payments right now, 764 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: obviously people are having trouble doing that. Watch John Oliver. 765 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: He's got a whole special on it. You can learn 766 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: all about it. But in this case, that is not 767 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: at all the situation, and it appears that that's what 768 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: is occurring here. So it's kind of like, just for 769 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: a comparison, it's um. Well, there are two comparisons. I 770 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: don't know which is helpful, but the easiest one is, 771 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 1: let's say you sell someone a car and you say 772 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: thanks for the cash, and you drive away in the 773 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,319 Speaker 1: car you sold them right, and you still use the 774 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: car and you just refuse to hand over the keys. 775 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 1: The other, less helpful comparison I would make just because 776 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: I enjoy it is let's say, Uh, let's say you 777 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 1: go to Taco Bell and you pay for a mex 778 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,800 Speaker 1: A melt and the person you pay takes the money 779 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: and then starts to eat it in front of you. 780 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: That's that's just cruel. Uh yeah, that's inhumane. And it 781 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: seems like in this case, this person, this person doesn't 782 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: fall under some or they shouldn't fall under some of 783 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: those loopholes, because it's not as if they are financially 784 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: unable to acquire other accommodation right like they were. They 785 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: were paid house level money, which lets you do some 786 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: some pretty big moves if you wish. Uh, I don't. 787 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't understand why that person, like I, You're right. 788 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: Squatter rules, as they're commonly called, um I don't know 789 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: how they would apply, because some states have you know, 790 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: some states have a baked in statute write a time 791 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: when like if you were squatting on an abandoned property 792 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: for insert number of years here, then you become considered 793 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: like a legal occupant or there is a path to that. But, um, 794 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I want to be very careful, Matt, 795 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 1: not to ascribe motive if I don't if I'm just guessing, 796 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: or to call this person a terrible person. If we 797 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: don't know their circumstances, right, there may be some compelling issue. Yeah, 798 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: we we have no idea what this situation is. Again, 799 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: this is like a little Fox report on this about 800 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 1: person who sold a home and won't leave. A friend 801 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: of the show, Peyton Fisher, who believe you've all Matt 802 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: is a an eviction attorney in in Brooklyn, New York, 803 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: and he has some very interesting and colorful cast of 804 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 1: characters and scenarios of all varieties that you know, cross 805 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 1: different kind of like extra legal kind of areas sometimes. 806 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: So I would be interested to get his take on this, um, 807 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, because it is such an interesting gray area. 808 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,399 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's ever even heard of this. Uh, 809 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: this this idea. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's 810 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: it's definitely a weird situation. What I would just, um, 811 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,439 Speaker 1: this is what I would say, and maybe maybe maybe 812 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: because we'll like this very much. I think there needs 813 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: to be a company, like a private company that is 814 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: kind of like a towing company. You know, these towing 815 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: companies that will find out there's a there's a car 816 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,960 Speaker 1: that's overdue or something on the on the payments for 817 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 1: like three months, they can't locate the vehicle, but then 818 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,760 Speaker 1: they have essentially a private investigator track down the vehicle 819 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 1: and a tow truck will go out. Thank you, Thank 820 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: you for explating in one word what me famous by 821 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,320 Speaker 1: Amelia westaveus the weird very well, it's a very genre 822 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,879 Speaker 1: kind of a B movie repo man. Very strange, but 823 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: but a classic um and interesting stuff. Well let's let's 824 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,959 Speaker 1: not forget the genetic opera. But but what I'm saying 825 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: is there needs to be a company that is like that, 826 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,919 Speaker 1: but for like a lawful like an eviction where someone 827 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: just won't leave, where they've got elaborate ruses where somebody 828 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: comes to the front door and you know, puts on 829 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: a show of some sort to get them outside of 830 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: the home. Then another person like sneaks out and like 831 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, gets them out of the house, then locks 832 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: the door and then changes the locks really fast. There's 833 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 1: potential for it because the how do we say this carefully, uh, 834 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: from where I understand, the legal owner of this house 835 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: went and tried to fix the yard, and then the 836 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: dude ran out and tore up the sprinklers or the 837 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: sprinkler line they had set down. So this is definitely 838 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,839 Speaker 1: a get off my lawn type of dude. So just 839 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,759 Speaker 1: get on the lawn, get on the lawn, beat him 840 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: out like the mice. Then uh, lock him in a 841 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: place where he can't see for forty days and you've 842 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: got a full episode of stuff they don't want you 843 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: to know. You know. I have to say, um, one 844 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: thing that really stood out to me of this man 845 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: is that the the eviction attorney you mentioned, uh, Dennis 846 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: Block says it's not unique that there's been almost ten 847 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: other examples of this, But at the risk of sounding unempathetic, 848 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: it feels like the most important thing to remember here 849 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: is that these eviction moratoriums were written in a hurry, 850 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: and they're very much necessary for a huge part of 851 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: the US population. Uh. But this, this is very clearly 852 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: not the spirit of the law as it was intended. 853 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: And I don't think you have to have graduated from 854 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: Harvard or something to clock that the people who bought 855 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 1: the home went all in. You know what I mean? 856 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: This is they did not, as they say in Gatica, 857 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: save anything for the swim back. And the person who 858 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 1: is um to add insult to injury petty insult to injury. 859 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: Apparently the person who is continuing to live in the 860 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,120 Speaker 1: home they sold, they're not taking care of it. So 861 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: imagine you spent thoubt like you have saved for years 862 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: and years and years, and you've basically paid for a 863 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: very expensive piece of sadistic performance art where somebody makes 864 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 1: you watch them ruin your MEXI melt like this is 865 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: and you paid much more than I want to know 866 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,720 Speaker 1: more about this person. Sounds like a bit of a sociopath. Well, 867 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: and who knows again, who knows what's going on there? Um? 868 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,800 Speaker 1: But again, I'm ready to start that company if anybody 869 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,879 Speaker 1: out there listening, uh wants to, and I will. If 870 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: you're a heavy like you, whoever you are, you'd have 871 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,399 Speaker 1: to play the heavy probably, but I can. I can 872 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: dance round on the lawn, make a nuisance. I can 873 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,720 Speaker 1: play that other part. You just let me know what 874 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 1: what about You've heard of improv everywhere, right, they'd be 875 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 1: perfect for this. Yeah, that's what that's who I would 876 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: contact um just to just to immediately it's improv Everywhere 877 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: is a a really fun and smart, optimistic approach to 878 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: the generation of fake crowds. And it's very like it 879 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,839 Speaker 1: is incredibly easy to do. So you can, you know, 880 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,800 Speaker 1: don't think of it like a government manufacturing or protest. 881 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,800 Speaker 1: Is much easier than that. All you have to do is, uh, 882 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: all you have to do is like get on the 883 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,240 Speaker 1: right forum, tell people to show up if it depends 884 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: on how honest you want to be with the people too. 885 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: In this company, Matt, like, you could just say you're 886 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,760 Speaker 1: casting extras for a film. That's what one bank robber 887 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 1: did something like that, cast extras, had everybody show up 888 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,760 Speaker 1: in the same costume as the bank ropper was wearing, 889 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,319 Speaker 1: and then just poof guys are as. So say into 890 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: the crowd, brilliant, don't do it. You can't legally co 891 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,799 Speaker 1: sign that. But but yeah, this this is this is 892 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,040 Speaker 1: a serious problem. Like Noel, I want to know more 893 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: about the person in the house. Is there a reason 894 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: that they cannot leave? You know? I mean, I imagine 895 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: they're spending that money on something, right, there was a 896 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: thirty dollar tax leaning on the property. But are they 897 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 1: like um, is there perhaps some sort of physical or 898 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: medical condition? Right? And I don't know. I was wondering 899 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 1: that too. Man, that's a really good point. Perhaps the 900 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,319 Speaker 1: person is unable to leave for some reason, and it's 901 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 1: not just a willful uh disregard for the contract that 902 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: they entered into, which apparently isn't as ironclad as one 903 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,839 Speaker 1: might think. I did pass this on to a friend 904 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 1: of the show and tenant lawyer, uh Peyton Fisher, and 905 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have some word back by the next episode. 906 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,399 Speaker 1: Perhaps we can do a follow up. All right, sounds good. 907 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: Well that's it from from me, guys. 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