WEBVTT - Time to Give Your Family the Boot

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, welcome to summer. Huh, summer is we are

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<v Speaker 1>in the thick of it. I love it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it. I love it. I've

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<v Speaker 1>had so much fun this summer between work and vacation

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<v Speaker 1>and then work and the vacation and then work. And

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<v Speaker 1>I will be in Canada performing at the Great Outdoors

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<v Speaker 1>Comedy Festival in Edmonton on August, so tickets are available

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<v Speaker 1>for that. There's just so many exciting things happening. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been turned into a jam packed summer. People

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<v Speaker 1>really want to be out. People are horny. I always

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<v Speaker 1>loved summer, but now I just like when summer wraps

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<v Speaker 1>up because that means ski season is on the approach. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what the problem with summer now is is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's too hot everywhere because the planet is melting

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't even imagine what it's like for people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't have air conditioning. My friends went through that

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<v Speaker 1>heat wave in Vancouver and they were like dying and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, I mean, they would Marco Polo me

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<v Speaker 1>and they would look like they were passing away. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you guys serious about this heat? But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take into consideration and what that must be like without

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<v Speaker 1>a c well, their bodies aren't acclimated to that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of temperature increase. No, no, no, So yeah, it's only

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<v Speaker 1>going to get worse and worse. But I did read

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<v Speaker 1>something interesting about heat domes. So heat domes are part

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<v Speaker 1>of what makes you know, it's just like a heat wave,

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<v Speaker 1>what creates a heat wave. But yet that's exacerbated by

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<v Speaker 1>global warming and climate change. So while we have these

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<v Speaker 1>weather patterns, you know, it's not like global warming. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a product of all of it, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's or no, maybe I said that wrong. I say

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<v Speaker 1>so many things wrong. I don't even know what's up anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>sideways upside down from behind. Sorry anyway, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. It's hot, you know, and I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can all agree it's too hot. It's not pleasant at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just no one's going to take it seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>these older politicians, because they love the heat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to sweat through every layer of clothing they wear.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like mosquitoes are everywhere now. So you go

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<v Speaker 1>over to someone's house in the valley and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>you come back and you're eating alive. It's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are there There were never mosquitoes in California, not

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<v Speaker 1>that I picked up on. That was an East coast

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<v Speaker 1>thing because of the humidity, and now it's a West

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<v Speaker 1>coast thing. And I'm not into it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anybody who is into fucking mosquitoes. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>do know, somebody tell them, I said, to funk off,

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<v Speaker 1>or tell them to call in because they need help.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just have a problem. You know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind bugs so much. Everyone's either scared of spiders

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<v Speaker 1>or they're scared of snakes, right, like bugs or snakes. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scared of snakes. I've talked about this publicly privately

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone who will listen. I once saw a snake

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<v Speaker 1>on safari and my said, I slapped my sister across

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<v Speaker 1>the face when I saw it because I was so scared.

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<v Speaker 1>And our safari guide was like, you're in Africa, what

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<v Speaker 1>did you think was going to happen? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I I didn't think I was going to see a

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<v Speaker 1>snake outside my room. That's what I didn't think. So

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<v Speaker 1>I hit my sister across the face because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>reaction I have when I see a snake. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to hit somebody, and I hit her and then I

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<v Speaker 1>went to kick her and she blocked me, but then

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<v Speaker 1>held onto me tight because she knew that I was

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<v Speaker 1>having a childlike reaction to snakes, which I always do,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was almost like she stopped me from having

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<v Speaker 1>a seizure. Even though I don't have epilepsy, I would

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<v Speaker 1>like my body would involuntarily react without me. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in Africa. And I was trying to hook

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<v Speaker 1>up with our safari guide, so that put the ki

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<v Speaker 1>bush on that as soon as he saw me so

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<v Speaker 1>scared of snakes, he lost all respect for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a snake on my hike the other day where

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<v Speaker 1>Freeman trail, and I shoot it off the trail. I've

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<v Speaker 1>a rattlesnake. No, it was not a rattlesnake, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>tried to have more respect for animals when I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>their space. So it was slithering across the little track

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<v Speaker 1>and then stopped, and so I took a sick and

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<v Speaker 1>I just tried to get it to go down the

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<v Speaker 1>hill because I'm I feel like you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean your home I'm on your territory, and normally

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<v Speaker 1>I would be repulsed or terrified, but I just tried

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<v Speaker 1>to remember, you know, he doesn't want any trouble. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want any trouble. So it's just that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>have to remember when I see a snake. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want any trouble. My problem is that I believe they

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<v Speaker 1>want trouble and that they will chase me, and that

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<v Speaker 1>I My friend was telling me the other day to

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<v Speaker 1>come to Bowen Island because her parents are there, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she proceeded to tell me two stories about snakes

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<v Speaker 1>that she found. She found one in the water. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that's it. One swimming in the water. Why

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<v Speaker 1>are they in the water? Water moccasins. That's why we

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<v Speaker 1>won't get in a lake anymore. I'm reading this book

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<v Speaker 1>called Atomic Habits, I think it's by his names by

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<v Speaker 1>James Clear and this is more about like achieving your

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<v Speaker 1>goals by changing your identity. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>he says is like we are in charge of the

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<v Speaker 1>perception we make for ourselves. So instead of the example

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<v Speaker 1>that he uses in the book is if you were

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<v Speaker 1>a smoker and someone offered you a cigarette while you

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to quit. Instead of saying, oh, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to quit, you would reply with, oh, I don't smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in that way, I think you just need

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<v Speaker 1>to retrain your brain to say I'm not afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>these snakes. Like the more you tell your self, the

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<v Speaker 1>more it becomes part of your identity, so that repetition

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<v Speaker 1>of habit. So maybe you just need to start saying

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<v Speaker 1>how much you love snakes every day. Okay, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I could try that, but okay, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I hear what you're saying about being in their

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<v Speaker 1>land or on their you know, on their turf. I

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<v Speaker 1>get that that's true. Same goes for sharks. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're in their water. And that's why I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get in the water. I'm just never gonna stop swimming

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean. I can't stop, won't stop. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean and I love swimming, and I love sitting

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<v Speaker 1>with my nieces in the water, you know, on Nantucket

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<v Speaker 1>or Martha's Vineyard. This year we went to Nantucket, but

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<v Speaker 1>we usually we go to Martha's Vineyard. But I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say I would give them both rave reviews. And

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of like Nantucket a lot, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird because I'm such a vineyard her But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Eventually I'm going to want to shack up

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<v Speaker 1>there one of those places with my family. Yeah, as

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<v Speaker 1>my sister and I transition into late life lesbians, we

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<v Speaker 1>could probably move. We probably want to be bi coastal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, all lesbians should be by coastal, right, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the only way. Do you want to give

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<v Speaker 1>a quick one off advice because we have a submission.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a one off Sure, Okay, this submission says,

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Chelsea, I have a crush on a colleague at work,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to figure out how to take the

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<v Speaker 1>friendship further while remaining respectful and appropriate. Any advice would

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<v Speaker 1>be great, Leah, what do you think? Okay? So, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's answer it first. As a woman, I would definitely

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<v Speaker 1>Since men can't approach you in the workplace and you

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<v Speaker 1>have a crush on him, it's important that you let

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<v Speaker 1>him know because he can't take that chance right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's a cute way to do that? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think either a note or a text or something cute?

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's up to you to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just say, like, what's the most respectful way to say it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have to ask a question, how do they communicate?

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<v Speaker 1>What's their communication form? I think a safe bet is

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<v Speaker 1>always to do a small work gathering, so a happy

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<v Speaker 1>hour where it's not a ton of people, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in the office, but maybe like five or six people.

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<v Speaker 1>So that way, there's not as much pressure in the

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<v Speaker 1>initial interaction outside of work if you've not hung out

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<v Speaker 1>outside of work yet, because then you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>use that as you're jumping off point to do something

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<v Speaker 1>just you too, you know, like, oh, how great happy

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<v Speaker 1>are it was? You had so much fun? Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>guys would want to get dinner together sometime. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a non invasive way maybe to approach that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a good first step. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>your work situation is like, but yeah, that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing to do because then you can kind of make

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<v Speaker 1>some inroads at that event where you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>flirt a little or whatever, get the vibe going. And

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<v Speaker 1>then after that, I think a little note is cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Who does that anymore? You know, it's cute to write

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<v Speaker 1>a little note, leave it on his desk, just something

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<v Speaker 1>that's a little flirty, like, hey, I had a great

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<v Speaker 1>time with you the other night. I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>go out with you alone, Like this is after that little,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, group activity, I would love to go out

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I would love to do it again. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested, let me know, Like that's kind of harmless

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<v Speaker 1>if not, no worries. I think it's nice for women

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out to men, especially during this time right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think agree? I don't know what, what

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<v Speaker 1>more sound advice you could get. I think that women

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<v Speaker 1>coming into like their voice and their power in those

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<v Speaker 1>situations and saying this is what I'm interested in, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is that is hot for a woman to do,

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<v Speaker 1>To be the one to kind of take that step

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<v Speaker 1>and put herself out there in that way. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>greater feeling after you make a move like that to wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I mean, yeah, sometimes you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>the answer you want, but it's so exciting to take

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<v Speaker 1>a leap like that, Like I love reaching out to

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<v Speaker 1>someone who doesn't know that I'm interested in, just like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of putting it out there. I love it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been rejected doing that and I'm still fine with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what if it were a man. For we're a

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<v Speaker 1>man who had a crush on a colleague and I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to figure out how to take the friendship

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<v Speaker 1>further well remaining respectful, I think I would say to

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<v Speaker 1>write a note. Also, I would probably give the same advice,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would really emphasize his propriety and his approach

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure that it doesn't feel intimidating in a

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<v Speaker 1>pro appriate. You don't have to say that to women,

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<v Speaker 1>but that would be what would differ from my advice

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<v Speaker 1>to a man. Yeah, as a man, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>be respectful of her space and that it is a

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<v Speaker 1>workplace for her, and you don't want to have any

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<v Speaker 1>woman on the defense at work if you're interest in

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<v Speaker 1>her is not not wanted or not reciprocated. Rather so

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<v Speaker 1>I think, And if you're a gay man, I would

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<v Speaker 1>my advice would be whip out your but chucky and

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<v Speaker 1>just let it rip. Chuck. Yeah, that's what I haven't heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, but chucky, that's our that's our family word

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<v Speaker 1>for penis, but chucky, kaslopis and Pikachu. Oh and then

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<v Speaker 1>boom c is a fart. We don't say fart or

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't say. We say take a should you be.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody has to go number two, we call it

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<v Speaker 1>a should be. So we have a lot of code

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<v Speaker 1>words in our family, but we all understand what they mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and so do all our friends. Leah, hope that solved

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<v Speaker 1>your problem. Yeah, Leah, good luck with that problem solved.

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<v Speaker 1>If you guys end up together, I could call us, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a minute and we're gonna have some

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<v Speaker 1>time for some ads and we'll be right back. Bert

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<v Speaker 1>can't see the steps for some reason from the bed,

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<v Speaker 1>like even though he walks down them every morning, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't remember where they are, which is in line

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<v Speaker 1>with his brain chemistry, because every time I come home

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like I have to reintroduce myself too. So

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<v Speaker 1>when he comes on the bed, if he doesn't see

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<v Speaker 1>the steps in the morning, I've well twice now he's

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<v Speaker 1>fallen off the bed. I'm surprised he survived, and it

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<v Speaker 1>also explains why he's very slow, because he has obviously

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<v Speaker 1>several head injuries or concussions over the last few months.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he does fall off the bed, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a an alarming sound, but not alarming enough for me

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<v Speaker 1>to get up because I know that his fur is

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<v Speaker 1>patting him, and as a parent, that's really all I

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<v Speaker 1>can hope for or ask for. Actually, I did start

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<v Speaker 1>carrying a cabbage patch kid around the house and was

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<v Speaker 1>breastfeeding it to convince Bert and Bernice that I actually

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<v Speaker 1>am maternal and I am a mother because my Bell keeps.

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<v Speaker 1>My Bell's my housekeeper, and she keeps telling me the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why the dogs love her so much is because

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<v Speaker 1>she is a mother, and they know that I'm barren.

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<v Speaker 1>So I tried to counter that with my cabbage patch

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<v Speaker 1>kid that I found, and well, I'm not producing milk.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bert as also not really paying attention because as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as my Bell leaves the house, he goes to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep for the night because it's like it's sucking over

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<v Speaker 1>his his day is over, so he goes to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>So anything I do, that's my window to be with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And they both don't want to be with me because

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<v Speaker 1>they're pissed that my Bell left, and so in that time,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I do is useless because their eyes are closed anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so miserable because they hate me so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad those two can't talk. You know, they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything nice to say. No, definitely, not not to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. I mean Bernice came up the other morning,

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<v Speaker 1>climbed up someone was there was a workman in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>She climbed up the little doggy steps. I'm in my

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<v Speaker 1>bed on my computer in my bathroom in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>She climbs up the doggy steps, walks right over to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I go, and I put my hand out to Petter,

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<v Speaker 1>and she runs in the opposite direction and runs off

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<v Speaker 1>the bed like I'm a rapist, like I've beaten her,

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<v Speaker 1>and runs off the bed, runs down the stairs. What

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<v Speaker 1>what the fund is that? Why? Team? But why is

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<v Speaker 1>she coming up to taunt me like that? Is she

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<v Speaker 1>playing with me? Their emotions? I don't know. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>these two dogs, honestly, the next two dogs I get,

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<v Speaker 1>I might not get chows. I need some a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I know I will, because they're just fucking cute.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love having a furry snuff leophagus in my

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<v Speaker 1>bed every night, whether he wants to be there or not.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't even know what's happening, because you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>carry him, I carry him downstairs after he passes out

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor. He's like a furry slinky. His dead

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<v Speaker 1>weight and his dead skin. You know, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>put him over my shoulder, and then I bring him

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<v Speaker 1>upstairs and I threw him on the bed and he

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<v Speaker 1>just never wakes up. Nothing, nothing will wake him up

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<v Speaker 1>once she's gone, unless he is off the bed. Bert's

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<v Speaker 1>been letting me pet him, and that's been very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Well, his body is such a wonderland that

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<v Speaker 1>if you you know, just even touching his fur is soothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like almost self soothing. When I touched his body,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like your fingers can get lost in his

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<v Speaker 1>like head and neck meat. Yeah, and under army we've

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<v Speaker 1>got two big flaps, right, and the hair is so soft.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I love it. He's really like a teddy bear. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you want to go into callers right away. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just get into him, all right, Let's just get into

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<v Speaker 1>it then. All right. Well Katie out of Corona, California.

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<v Speaker 1>She's thirty one, right, Dear Chelsea, my husband just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say something about your voice. It's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very soothing. It's almost like a laxative. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>have this thing where my mom would call me when

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, moved to California, and as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>I heard her voice, I had to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom because she was so relaxing that it helps, like

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<v Speaker 1>just relax me. And my sister said the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, Oh my god, that's so funny. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was at college and I talked to mom on the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to go to the bathroom too, like it

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<v Speaker 1>just lets everything flow. Okay, I'm going to take that

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<v Speaker 1>as a compliment, so I would say that your voice

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<v Speaker 1>also has that effect on me, because not yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think one day I will. I can't wait for

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<v Speaker 1>that day. She writes, Dear Chelsea, my husband and I

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<v Speaker 1>recently had our first child, the first grandchild on both

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<v Speaker 1>sides of the family. We spent the last four years

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<v Speaker 1>living in Europe and just moved back to California, closer

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<v Speaker 1>to our families who are Trump supporters. We are not.

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<v Speaker 1>My husband and I are currently struggling with certain family

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<v Speaker 1>members who continuously make racist and insensitive comments. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>one family member in particular hates the Black Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 1>movement and all the blacks on TV now and how

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<v Speaker 1>he's boycotting the NFL. Another family member will make rude

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<v Speaker 1>comments about illegals and all the Mexicans taking over. Needless

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<v Speaker 1>to say, my husband and I are tired of this

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<v Speaker 1>type of behavior and do not want them speaking this

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<v Speaker 1>way in front of our daughter. They already think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a liberal snowflake who's too sensitive, so I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how I address these issues, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>blow me off. It's such a terrible position to be in.

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<v Speaker 1>But it should also be noted that in her written submission,

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<v Speaker 1>she did put quotes around things like blacks and illegals

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<v Speaker 1>because she was directly quoting family members. Okay, Katie, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? What's what's the situation? But now that you're home,

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Katie, Hi, thank you for having me on. Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>about your parents they suck and grandparents aying you want

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<v Speaker 1>to say they're good people, right, because they would never

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<v Speaker 1>speak this way in public or around these groups of people.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's where's the disconnect of why would you speak

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<v Speaker 1>that way in front of my husband and I who

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<v Speaker 1>don't share these same views and don't speak that way,

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<v Speaker 1>especially now that we have a child. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>them speaking that way in front of her ever, And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're not the only people going through

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<v Speaker 1>this right, Like, everyone has a family member who will

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<v Speaker 1>make an insensitive comment, and we need to move away

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<v Speaker 1>from Oh, Grandpa's just being grandpa or Mom's just always

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<v Speaker 1>been that way, And it's how do you set those

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries with your family members and your parents who didn't

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<v Speaker 1>raise you to be this way. You know, we're taught

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<v Speaker 1>to be considerate of other be polite, respect authority, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where that disconnect is now with our

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<v Speaker 1>parents generation in particular. So I think it's just really

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<v Speaker 1>hard because you love them and you want them to

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<v Speaker 1>have a relationship with your child, but it's also this

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<v Speaker 1>is not okay, and I don't want this to hurt

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship, but this can't continue. So what what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of conversations have you had thus far? Have you told them?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how hateful that is, so like what they're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>how hateful that is to have around your daughter to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about blacks on television and he doesn't like the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Lives Matter movement, Like that's hate driven. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think with my husband side of the family, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel as comfortable as with my own family. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just say, yeah, things are changing, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of leave it at that, and if my husband's

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<v Speaker 1>not there, I don't know what more I could really say.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess having a bigger backbone and being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that really makes me uncomfortable. It is insensitive and not

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<v Speaker 1>even sorry it makes you uncomfortable. It's that's just how

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<v Speaker 1>things are now. But with my side of the family,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, you know, like, I don't like that? Can

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<v Speaker 1>we please? Like? That is really mean and it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of out of nowhere. They have no reason to feel

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<v Speaker 1>this way about these groups of people. See this is

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<v Speaker 1>bad for me because I have no tolerance for that,

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<v Speaker 1>And I would argue, who cares? Then you to keep

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<v Speaker 1>your daughter away from them, then they shouldn't be around

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of hate. But I know people care about

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<v Speaker 1>seeing their families and they want their families to be

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<v Speaker 1>involved with their children at least that's what I hear,

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<v Speaker 1>So I get that angle of it. I can't tell

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<v Speaker 1>you how many questions we get like this. People are

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<v Speaker 1>always writing in about cutting out friends and family out

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<v Speaker 1>of their lives because of racism or bigotry, all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And but everybody's not a lost cause. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>can really demonstrate the hate and the harm that black

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<v Speaker 1>families have grown up with and and all BIPOC people

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<v Speaker 1>and all marginalized group have grown up with and the

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<v Speaker 1>hatred and bigotry against them, and how damaging that is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like facts are facts. I mean, look at

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<v Speaker 1>how many black people were shot the week Derek Chauvin

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted. You know, look at what had happened. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's undeniable that there is the system working against black

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<v Speaker 1>people in this country, and that they're part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all part of it, but they're actively perpetuating it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be irritated with it for no reason because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not actually affecting their day to day life, to

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<v Speaker 1>me is mind boggling. And I want our daughter to

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<v Speaker 1>grow up. I'm hoping that our kids generation doesn't see

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<v Speaker 1>any of these conflicts or oh, how can we help

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<v Speaker 1>these people? Or yeah, that's really rough that they've gone

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<v Speaker 1>through this for so long, or seeing a homeless person.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of being like, oh, they made bad life decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>it's how can we help, Like let's move away from

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<v Speaker 1>being negative or seeing things as a negative way and

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<v Speaker 1>turning around is how can we help How can we

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<v Speaker 1>make a difference to Yeah, how can we enforce change,

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<v Speaker 1>and how can we go with change and be supportive? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is your family's excuse for saying I hate all

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<v Speaker 1>these black people on TV? I mean, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>say when they say something like that, Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that recently just happened. When you said we have like

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<v Speaker 1>post your questions, I was like, we literally just had

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<v Speaker 1>that awkward situation in our home and all I said was, well,

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<v Speaker 1>change is happening because it caught me so off guard

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<v Speaker 1>because there is no reason. We also grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>Orange County. We live in southern California, So let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about white privilege already like this, The diverseness is not

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<v Speaker 1>in our community. It's not, and it makes us uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>when we're faced with it because that's not something that

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<v Speaker 1>we've dealt with. Because those people are actively being supported

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<v Speaker 1>in our own community. I think it would behoove you

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<v Speaker 1>to have a really like heart to heart conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>them without trying not to get emotional and just being

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<v Speaker 1>very pragmatic and practical about it and saying this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I will accept around my child. I will not

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<v Speaker 1>instill hate into my child. I will not instill bigotry

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<v Speaker 1>into my child. It's not enough to not be racist.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm anti racist, you know, you want to be actively

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<v Speaker 1>anti racist, which means having very little tolerance for people

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<v Speaker 1>who behave that way unless they're willing to work on it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and they obviously don't seem like they are.

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<v Speaker 1>So my advice to you is not coming from a mother,

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming from a person. I would literally threatened them

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<v Speaker 1>seeing their grandchild unless they actually started having healthy conversations

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<v Speaker 1>about what is happening, you know, That's what I would do.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not the right decision because I'm probably a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of parents would argue because they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>take their kids away from their grand parents. But think

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<v Speaker 1>about what your parents are offering to them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is that relationship important to you because it's important to you,

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<v Speaker 1>or is it important to your grandchild? Well, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want it to get to the point where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not comfortable leaving my child alone with them because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of what they're going to say when we're not

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<v Speaker 1>around either, right. I think it's the presentation, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>they think you're a liberal, a snowflake, and that you're

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<v Speaker 1>super sensitive and you care too much about everybody and blah,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. That's not a bad thing. It's only seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a snowflake thing when people are emotional about it,

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<v Speaker 1>right when they're when there's emotion in the conversation. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you could leave the emotion aside and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the practicality of like the world that your daughter is

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<v Speaker 1>going to grow up in versus the world your parents

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in, and how she needs tools to live

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<v Speaker 1>in that world and to respec act everybody in that world.

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<v Speaker 1>They taught you to grow up respecting people, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's something you can bring up. Am I supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>teach her not to respect black people and brown people

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<v Speaker 1>or immigrants, Like there's no Christianity in that, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>no democracy in that. That's just not human like good

0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:24.760
<v Speaker 1>natured nous. It's just not so any discriminatory behavior, and

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<v Speaker 1>even saying it is not acceptable in your presence, even

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.479
<v Speaker 1>saying it, because you know, I I won't allow myself

0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.919
<v Speaker 1>to be around anybody who speaks in that way about

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<v Speaker 1>women or about marginalized groups. I will not be in

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.199
<v Speaker 1>that situation and not say something. And that is my

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<v Speaker 1>commitment to being anti racist, not just being against racism.

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<v Speaker 1>So you literally just took every thought out of my

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<v Speaker 1>head and presented it, because there is no excuse anymore

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.080
<v Speaker 1>for this sort of conversation to be going on unless

0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the conversation is how to progress or thoughts and feelings

0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that you've had and you want them challenged. Like obviously

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.520
<v Speaker 1>your family is very set in their ways on both sides,

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.760
<v Speaker 1>so it's hard because you don't really have a safe

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.240
<v Speaker 1>haven when you're with your extended family. You never know

0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 1>who you're going to get it from. But positioning it

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<v Speaker 1>as a decision you're making on behalf of your daughter

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.720
<v Speaker 1>will force them to rethink how they're going to communicate

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>because if that relationships mean anything to them, if that

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 1>relationship means anything to them, they will have to adjust.

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<v Speaker 1>And I come from the Midwest, so I'm in the

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<v Speaker 1>same position as you are, where it's a very specific

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.119
<v Speaker 1>mindset and thought process in regards to anyone unlike you.

0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Any difference in someone is something that's not okay and

0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 1>that's not embraced. So I feel for you. I mean,

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:49.440
<v Speaker 1>these conversations are really fucking annoying to be having with

0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:51.679
<v Speaker 1>the current landscape, Like you need to get on board,

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 1>but you have to have it. You need how you

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<v Speaker 1>need to go into these things very direct and transparent

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.400
<v Speaker 1>with how you're feeling and what you're thinking. That it's

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 1>not okay, and you should show them my documentary on

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and called Hello Privileges Meet Chelsea. There's a four women

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.760
<v Speaker 1>from Orange County who sound exactly like your parents, who

0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.119
<v Speaker 1>were arguing with me about why they think, you know,

0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.879
<v Speaker 1>it's inappropriate for black people to have any sort of

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 1>advantage at this point, like affirmative actions wrong. We shouldn't

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 1>be giving black people any sort of upper hand. And

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like, that's actually exactly what we have to do

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 1>because we've had the upper hand for so many, so

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:28.960
<v Speaker 1>many years. It doesn't matter that we weren't here during

0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 1>that time, or that our ancestors were here during that time.

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>We're still benefiting from the system that is subjugating people

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>of color. We are still benefiting from it. So of

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.720
<v Speaker 1>course there's something for us to do. And your work

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:43.919
<v Speaker 1>is with your family and your in laws. What's your

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>husband's stance on like the status of your relationship, Like

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>have you thought about withholding your grandchild from them? I mean,

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.199
<v Speaker 1>I really hope it doesn't come to that. But we

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 1>literally just moved back from being gone for four years too,

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 1>And I guess it just caught us off guard that

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 1>it had gotten so heightened because these weren't actually conversations

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 1>that were being had when we lived here before. And

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<v Speaker 1>so in my point of view two and my when

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I brought that up to my husband, that just made

0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 1>me uncomfortable with that comment. I was like, if we

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 1>were black, or we adopted a black child, or if

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.160
<v Speaker 1>our daughter had a disability, wouldn't we want them represented

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>on TV being stood up for by big groups that

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 1>could actually make a change Like that would be really

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 1>important to us and our families argumentatively if our daughter

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 1>was in that situation. But because we're removed from it

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>for some reason, they think it's okay to make those comments.

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think we're just caught off guard that there's

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>that big disconnective. We did grow up in church. How

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 1>is that loving people? How is that being kind or

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:42.199
<v Speaker 1>even just a good citizen where you're living? It's not

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 1>right right there. I mean, church is a great place

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>to start, because these people can hang their hat on

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>religion and Christianity and then discriminate against people that is

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>not godly. That is not what that religion is about.

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I've looked into it. So I think you really have

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:58.119
<v Speaker 1>to have like a real come to Jesus with them

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 1>and be like, these are the rules. Are are you

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be able to follow them? If not, I'm

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.239
<v Speaker 1>so sorry, but I can't have my child around you,

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Like I really, I I tough love in this situation,

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I think is I would say to do that. They're

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 1>still having a hard time grasping the concept because this

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>is also something that I've seen with white people. There's

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.880
<v Speaker 1>like a missing cog somewhere that they can't quite grasp

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>why you have to be anti racist that it's not

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.719
<v Speaker 1>just about keeping the comments yourself. It's about acting on

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>behalf of other people and like being vocal when you

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>see racism, and you need to remind them that there's

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a very famous person in history who had the sort

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>of viewpoint and mindset about people with a difference, and

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 1>that was fucking Hitler. No one wants to be compared

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>to Hitler. So the next time you hear your dad

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>or father in law saying something, to be like, oh

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what, that sounds exactly like Hitler with the Jews,

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Like is that how you want to come across? Is

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.360
<v Speaker 1>that how you want to be represented with that sort

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 1>of mind conditioning. No, no one wants that sort of association,

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:56.919
<v Speaker 1>so that will really make them think. I mean also

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the idea that you know, like it's just in dispute

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>putable to go over the statistics of how many black

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>men have been shot in the back of the head

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 1>or in the back running away from cops who ended

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 1>up having no weapons on them, Like I'm sure your

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.719
<v Speaker 1>parents would be like, well, they should have just complied,

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 1>or even if you don't comply, a officer's job is

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.879
<v Speaker 1>not to escalate the situation. It's to de escalate the situation.

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>So there's more proof in the putting of the statistics

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of what's happening disproportionately to black men being murdered by

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.680
<v Speaker 1>police officers. That is the root of racism. And how

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.719
<v Speaker 1>could any man or woman not have a problem with

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>kids being killed by police officers? How could you know?

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Husband's an athlete, he runs, so when that black woman

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>last year got shot running in his own neighborhood, literally

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>brought two s my eyes because looked at my husband.

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you can go running any goddamn time and

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I never have to worry about you. Like, how is

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that fair that citizens in their own neighborhood are not

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 1>safe just because of the color of their skin like that.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 1>It's one how is this still an issue? And it

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be. And I don't want that to be an

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 1>issue for our daughter ever. No, no, no, no, And

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:01.679
<v Speaker 1>it won't because your daughter is going going to grow

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>up in a completely different world. And I think people,

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, older people are just so stuck. They just

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>don't see the whole picture and they can't. People don't

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like change, and Katie, that's that's the world that you

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 1>create and maintain for her. So again, as harsh as

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it may seem like, you have to do what's right

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>for your family, and if that means withholding those interactions

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to make sure she is growing up in that space

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>where there's inclusion, like, that's what you have to do.

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not a position anyone wants to be in, but

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>it's your responsibility as a parent to guide her and

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 1>keep her safe and surrounded and with people who have

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>an outlook more aligned with the world that she will

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>be living in. Yeah, you should also if I don't

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>know if your parents would read a book about this,

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but probably not. But yeah, okay, so you can recommend it, well,

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 1>you should Recast by Isabel Wilkerson. That's a great book

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>for anyone to read because it really gives you a perspective,

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>like a thirty thousand foot perspective from so many examples

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 1>of racism, how it lives on in this country and

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 1>what black people go through in an original way. And

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it also actually compares, you know, what they did in

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the American South. It shows that the Nazis and Hitler

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.360
<v Speaker 1>studied American South and what Jim Crow did during that

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:24.400
<v Speaker 1>time and all the laws that they did to separate

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and segregate black people from white people with swimming pools

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>and eating and busses, and that the Nazi studied that

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 1>because they thought, oh America's got it. How do we

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>discriminate against Jews in this way? So they studied the

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>American South. So Nazis studied America and people don't know that.

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that until I read that book to

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>get a blueprint of how to discriminate. So we are

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the kings of it, you know, we did it in

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the grossest way possible. So I think that, Yeah, you

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>really have to get your thoughts together in a letter

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>or a conversation I know, I can tell that you're

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>sweet and nice and emotional, So you might want to

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>write a letter because as sometimes I feel like when

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I make an argument, I just want to leave the

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>emotion out of it, you know, put your facts down

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 1>or what you're going after, Because are you willing to

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>actually take your daughter away from them and their relationships

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>with her? If if those type of conversations continue to happen, Absolutely,

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>because it just it's so uncomfortable and I never want

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>a my daughter speak that way. I would be horrified,

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that's fair to her to be

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>put in that situation either, because it is negligent today

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 1>to not try to change your point of view or

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>at least just don't speak that way. Like if I

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>can't change their mind, I can't change their mind. But

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the boundary is don't speak that way in front of

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>me or my daughter. Yeah, yeah, that's a good place

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>to start. And then once you have that agreement, you know,

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, I mean they're obviously gonna say yes, they're

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be like, oh, we can't not be racist

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>around your daughter. But once you have that agreement, it

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>allows you a new platform to kind of grow from right.

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>So then you have a new understanding and that's your baseline,

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>and then you can work towards little small things, you know,

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>acts of kindness on your your behavior can demonstrate your

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>anti racism without imploring their anti racism, right Like, you

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>can't make them be anti racist, but you can show

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>them what you're doing to be anti racist, so that

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>they're seeing that demonstration over and over again. And that

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>is a way to get through to people, not necessarily

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>by trying to convince them, but just showing how you're

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>going to operate in your life from now on. Sure,

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>so I think that would be a good fresh start.

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>You have the conversation, do it with your husband, write

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a letter to from both of you or an email,

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever you're into, and and have it be from both

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>of you. You have to be a unified front for sure,

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and you can either have the conversation or write it

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and and just say these are the rules. Let me

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:45.959
<v Speaker 1>know if you guys want to move forward. We love you,

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>we would love for you to have a part in

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 1>our daughter's life. And we've been gone for four years.

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>We'd hate to miss another four. But we're not We're

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>not going to be accepting of this behavior. Yeah, that's

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>accepting of this behavior is a good way to that. Okay,

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:01.239
<v Speaker 1>and keep us most did okay, let us know how

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>it goes. Okay, thanks for calling, Katie. I feel for you.

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I know what. Yeah, I am so glad. I don't

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>have any something fucking Trump supporters in my family. I

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>mean at this point, uh, don't even get me started.

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Conversation just fucking annoyed the ship out of me. Not

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>because of her, it's just like, I just don't understand

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>how this is still and why do you? You know,

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the question debate, why are you what's your problem with it? Like?

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>What is the resistance to Black Lives Matter? How is

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>it hurting you? Like? What is it you? Well, because

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>the right perpetuates all of these conspiracy theories and all

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of these lies about oh that leads to looting, and

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>then everybody's you know, it's it doesn't lead to looting.

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>That's like, that's not a big part of the Black

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Lives Matter movement. Those are extremists that are on the

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>left or who knows where they are, but those are extremists.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>That's a small percentage of people, so that you use

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever excuse they want. They can say, well, why don't

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>black black people are getting shock because they don't comply

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>with the police. Punishment for not complying with the police

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>isn't getting at Nobody deserves to get murdered. So like,

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>look at fucking Kyle Rittenhouse, that little white asshole that

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>went up and and he was a white guy. Nobody

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>shot his ass. They calmly took him into custody. I mean,

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>after he killed people. I don't know how you how

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you argue the facts and the evidence in these scenarios

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>where black people are disproportionately executed. Because Republicans don't like

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the word disproportionately, they think that doesn't make you know,

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>they'll argue anything they say it's not true. They have

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>no facts to back up their data, and the facts

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 1>that they do get are usually fake because the right

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>has all these like fake news things going on all

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the time. When they call us fake news, talk about

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>projecting anyway, my blood pressure is going up less anyone

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>else who's dealing with us. Just to wrap that part up,

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>anyone else who's dealing with us or has to have

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>those conversations I've had them. If you have a racist

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.479
<v Speaker 1>family member, your only choice is to stand your ground

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and make that decision that you will not engage. That's it.

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>It's hard, but you need to do it well, not

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>in age or stand your ground, because standing your ground,

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I think does mean engaging to a degree like saying

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>this is no longer acceptable to me, like you, this

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>is not an acceptable dialogue that we're going to have.

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>You can present Hey, you can make this change and

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>we will continue. And if you don't, you have to

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>exit those relationships that you're not going to provide you

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>anything beneficial. Like that sort of mindset is not okay. Yeah, well,

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people really struggle with exiting

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>from their familial relationships. I'm for it, and see I

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have that issue, that's why, right, right, nor do

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I so. But the thing, I mean, she did say

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>she was gone for four years, so in the four

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>years when Trump was president. It's like these people were

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>indoctrinated by the right wing media and these conspiracy theories.

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, seriously, what is your problem with Black Lives

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Matter people defending themselves peacefully is that they're convinced it's

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>not peaceful, that everything is an architect of the left,

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and over liberal people and we're allowing

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>black people to loot like they form this narrative. But

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>if they have been convinced of this ideology, then they

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>can be convinced of a different like if they were

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 1>gone for four years and they learned this exactly. So

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>if you're swayed like that, then you can be unswayed.

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I would argue, I just never give up everyone when

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 1>it comes to this topic. I don't give up on people.

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I will send you books, I will get no response.

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>If you said something that I don't like, that sexist

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>or racist, I will follow up and make sure that

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>your views are changing, and if they're not, I won't

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 1>give up until you are extremely patient. I have no

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>patience or tolerance for it, Like I just can't have

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the conversation, but you do, and you will continue to

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>have that as long as you see some sort of

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>growth or challenge to their Well. It's like what even

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>white guys who think they're progressive aren't. They think they are,

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>but they're still sexist and they're still racist. And it's

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>true because it's not even it's not even your fault.

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>You've internalized it. You it's been passed down. Yes it's

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's been taught and you know, and we've

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.760
<v Speaker 1>been learning this our whole lives. So it's not your fault,

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>but it is your fault if you don't do anything

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to correct it and to dismantle it. And I've noticed

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that too. My friend who was like, oh, it's reverse

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>discrimination with women, now, it's like, what, Like, that's not

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the way you can think about that. We've been discriminated

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>again since the beginning of time. So there's going to

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 1>be a little leg room where we're going to get

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.439
<v Speaker 1>some advantages. I don't know how straight women are dealing

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.959
<v Speaker 1>with straight men. I don't know either. I mean, I'm gonna, yeah,

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>we've already gone over this, but obviously I'm gonna have

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>to start sucking women. You know, I'm in full support

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>of that. It really does turn me on when I

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>see you get so worked up over political issues and

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.359
<v Speaker 1>racism that like you will not back down like you

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and you are so impassioned by it when you're talking,

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, like I could listen to you speak

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.359
<v Speaker 1>on the subject, and then I think you could listen

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to me speak about a lot of things. I could

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you could read me the phone books so romantic our

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 1>next mission comes from Marissa. She's from Connecticut. She's thirty.

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm currently in a gray area

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>with a recovering alcoholic. Last October, he got his second

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>to you hy and has been clean, sponsored and in

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>therapy since. I'm skepticals to remain with this person for

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>fear that he may potentially relapse or, like other addicts,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>find a different addiction. We were together for ten years,

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.399
<v Speaker 1>and the d u I pushed me off the edge.

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>He seemed determined to stay away from alcohol, and I

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>do still love this person. Should I walk away completely? Mersa? Marissa,

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>what's going on? How are you? I'm well, thank you?

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 1>How are you? I'm good. I like your lavender walls. Cute,

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 1>thank you. This is my office in my house. Nice cute.

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. So you've been with your guy for ten years? Yeah,

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're counting right now, it's more like

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>ten and a half. Well, nobody's counting a half a

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:59.879
<v Speaker 1>year or so, don't worry at So, yeah, we had

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>just celebrated our ten year anniversary last September, and a

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.720
<v Speaker 1>week after that the d o I happened. So that's

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>we've been in a kind of gray area ever since?

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>So has it been? Was that his first dui or

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a second dui? That's that was the second dui? And

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 1>when was the first one? That was earlier in the relationship.

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.840
<v Speaker 1>It was either the first or second year we were dating. Okay,

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>so at least he went like nine years between the two. Right,

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>ideally he would never get another d u I again.

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 1>But right, yeah, what are the conditions of his drinking? Like,

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>is this like he's out for a night with his

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>buddies and then just happens to getty dui? Or does

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 1>he have a problem He has a problem. Of course,

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you could make the point that any time there are consequences,

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>that means the person has a problem. But you know

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Yeah, I mean since the night of

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the second du i, he has not drunk. He recognizes

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 1>that he does have a problem, he has taken steps

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to not drink, and he has a sponsor. He's in therapy.

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>So far, so good. I mean, but our relationship prior

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to that, like a year prior, it was not well

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>because he was just he had always drank, but it

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>just got to the point where it was sloppy, slurring,

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 1>falling down the stairs, just every night, and it was

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>just embarrassing, like in front of his parents, two friends, families.

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>It was just a lot to deal with. And how

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.880
<v Speaker 1>long has he been sober? Now? About six or seven

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>months now because it was last October, right, So I

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>have your feelings for him changed? I mean they had,

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>they had changed a little bit even prior to the

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>d O. I just because like with the alcohol and everything,

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I had kind of been like done. I would say,

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really done at this point. If he could

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.359
<v Speaker 1>stay clean, if he could stay sober, then I feel

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>like this relationship can be successful. But I'm still skeptical

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, he's an addict, so I don't know.

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Addics relapse. Addics do relapse, but addics also get clean

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and stay clean, and sometimes it takes a couple chances,

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, And if you are willing to see it through.

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you have children? I do not. Oh well there

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 1>you go a total bonus around, so you don't have

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to deal with that and those decisions related to your children.

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean that already is like a victory lapse. So

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>pat yourself on the back for not having any children.

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 1>I am so that you don't have to tell them

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.720
<v Speaker 1>their dad got to d u I when they're older.

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>But I think you should give him another chance. I

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>think you your heart is in it, right, You're just

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>you're obviously it's not a beautiful turn on to see

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.879
<v Speaker 1>somebody wasted, slurring, falling down the steps. But real love

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.399
<v Speaker 1>is kind of looking. That's not who he really is, right,

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that's not who he is when he's wasted. Who he

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>really is is a different person. And it sounds like

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.919
<v Speaker 1>he's taking all the steps that he could possibly take

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>to get there, right right, Like I'm just worried, Like

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>if he gets a third du I, like, that's it,

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:52.239
<v Speaker 1>he loses his license forever. I know. But you can't

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 1>think about if he gets a third d u I.

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>You have to think about supporting his sobriety and being

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.879
<v Speaker 1>there for him and him taking the steps on his own.

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 1>You can't think about what if that's not going to be.

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>That's not helpful in moving forward, that's helpful and staying stuck.

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 1>So you have to think positively and move forward positively,

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>like this is it, he's well, and you take it

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 1>one day at a time. He's going to meetings is

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.959
<v Speaker 1>the term, I know, sweetheart, to a meetings. I gotta

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>do you. I once too, I had to go to

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:24.839
<v Speaker 1>a meetings for that, but you know what, I didn't

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>get a fucking second, do you. I got one when

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I was twenty one, and then I never got one

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>again and now I have a driver. So um. So yeah,

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I think you should stick it out. It sounds like

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:38.879
<v Speaker 1>you love him and you want to stick it out,

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>and you're just kind of letting that narrative of what

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 1>if control your attitude about the situation when you should

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 1>flip that and you and look at all the work

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 1>he's done in six months, and as long as he's

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>staying serious about being sober, then you should be serious

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 1>about staying with him, right. Yeah, I'm glad to hear

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you say that. And I knew that you yourself had

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>just the one d U I. So I was curious

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 1>as to what your opinion with me. Well, like, I

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>think everybody can funk up, right, they make mistakes, but yeah,

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 1>making them multiple times is not hot, So you kind

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>of can just you have people who change. Yeah, it's hot.

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>One can change. Yeah, And listen, you know he's only

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>in six months of sobriety. If he can do this

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 1>for another two years, can you imagine where he's going

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 1>to be in his life, and how much more secure

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and self assured he's going to be an intern, how

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>secure you're going to be with the relationship once he's

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:36.919
<v Speaker 1>proven more time to be sober. So yeah, I mean

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of addicts out there, so you know,

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 1>don't hold that against him as long as he's trying. Yeah,

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 1>he is. And you said that he's going to a

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>A and I know that they offer Alanan, which is

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 1>for those affected by alcoholics, and I've been to a

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>few of those meetings and it was actually really insightful

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 1>and helpful because it's such a process and for me

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>my mentality, which it seems like you're kind of spice, see,

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and so in that moment you may be like this

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>is it like the next one? We're done? And it

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 1>is a process, So he may fall off the wagon again,

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's about how he's correcting those things, Like we

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 1>can't hold him to never making another mistake, but how

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>he's going to keep correcting those mistakes and hopefully you know,

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>they say the first year is the hardest and that's

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the largest margin of error, and then after that hopefully

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:24.320
<v Speaker 1>less and less and less and him having a drink

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and not getting drunk. That's not something that you want.

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes people can catch themselves in their addiction like, oh, ship,

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.439
<v Speaker 1>I really should not have done that. It broke their sobriety.

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.399
<v Speaker 1>But they know like I need to stay on track,

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I need to get back to a meeting, I need

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to do these things. So you being there to support

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 1>him could really make a world of difference. And how

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 1>he continues, you know, on his sobriety right, and this

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>time it is a little bit different because after the

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 1>first d u I, he's still drank afterwards, and now

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>he has stopped, and he never once said after the

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>first d u I, I'm done, I have a problem,

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to stop, And now he has so well

0:42:57.480 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like we need to kind of forget the

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>first d Y because he was twenty years old like that,

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, everyone fucks up at that age. Now at thirty,

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 1>hopefully he's thinking like this is not how I want

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to enter my third decade, like as a sucking drunk

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>getting a d u I, Like, I'm not in a

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>frat anymore, Like I need to get it together. Does

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 1>he know does he sense your ambivalence a little bit?

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>He does, and he did prior to the d U

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I too because his parents actually saw him on a

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>sloppy day. His mom pulled me aside and asked me

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 1>if he gets this way often? And I was like,

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you saw this. Yes he does. So I mean,

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think he has a great support system.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm with him. His parents. They saw him at his

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>worst and they support him as well, and they want

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 1>him to get better. I want him to get better.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 1>So can I ask? Was this a decision that he

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>made himself after the d U Y or was it

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 1>an ultimatum from those around him? Did he know that

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to be sober? He did. Yeah, he made

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the decision himself, and I think he realized how much

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>of a funk up it was because I had told

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>him that night. I was like, I'll be I'll support you,

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.479
<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to be with you right now,

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>like i'll be your friends. And we haven't really had

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 1>too much of a together discussion since then, but we

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 1>do still live together. It's it's kind of like business

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>as usual around here. Well, I think you should also

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>start talking to him a little bit more like about

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>your relationship and about the status of your relationship and say, like,

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I really do. You have to let go of the

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 1>past a little bit, you know what I mean, and

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>live in the present moment and forget about his first UI.

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Just focus on what's happening now, which is his sobriety right,

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and you want to be there to support him, and

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 1>you want to reassure him that, like, you love this

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 1>part of him. You love that he's trying to stay sober.

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 1>You love that he's making the effort, that he's got

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a sponsor, and these are all the reasons why you're

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.320
<v Speaker 1>still here and that you do want to make this work.

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Don't be afraid to communicate. People need it. People need

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.879
<v Speaker 1>to be loved and hear that they're loved, especially when

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>they're going through this. You know, he's probably so scared

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of losing you well and embracing the change in the

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.279
<v Speaker 1>future with him rather than holding onto the past where

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>he always feels, Oh, I have to I have to

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>take accountability for it. But that doesn't allow for much

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>growth when you're constantly looking back at the stakes that

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you've made. I think it's kind of about setting the

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>intention for the future and what that life could look like.

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Together while he's sober, and that's going to be much

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>more of a reason for him to continue to stay sober. Chelsea,

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 1>when you had your d U I, did you have

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 1>a huge support system like your friends and family? Were

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>they supportive? Yeah? I mean no one took it that

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>seriously because I was so young and I was just

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a party animal, right Like, so everyone's like, oh, I

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>can't believe it took this long for her to get

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.240
<v Speaker 1>a d U. I like, obviously that was going to happen.

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 1>And my d U I story was a hot mess

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>because my mom had given me my sister's I D

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 1>to get a fake I D when I moved to California,

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>and my sister and my mom were both Mormon, right

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.320
<v Speaker 1>they both My mom was Morman and then she converted

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 1>my sister. And so when I moved to California, I

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>was nineteen and I asked my mom for Shoshanna's i

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>D and my mom gave it to me and to

0:45:57.800 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 1>go so that I could party. My mom's like that

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and this is Chelsea, she needs to party, like go here,

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>like anything to get me out of New Jersey. They're like,

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>you can have whatever you want anyway. When I got

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>pulled over. I gave them my sister's I D so

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it was it turned into this entire like it turned

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>into me impersonating somebody else. So it took like a

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>d Y and made it ten times worse than a

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>d Y because I was, you know, drunk, and I

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>called the copy racist, mean while we were both white,

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 1>but he was probably racist anyway because anyway, So, yeah,

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>they were supportive. I had to go to d Y

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:34.240
<v Speaker 1>class for many, many weeks, but my family was very supportive.

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.360
<v Speaker 1>My mom was actually really upset with my sister for

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 1>getting so upset, and when she found out I was

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 1>impersonating her, she filed charges, like with the FBI or something,

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 1>and and so my family actually got mad at my sister.

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 1>But that's also justin that's just our dysfunctional family and

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.759
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that I was so manipulative. But you know,

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I never I don't do that. You know, I'm not

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 1>like that. And I learned my lesson, and you know,

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it was a young time to learn my lesson, but

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I did. And I was like, it's not really about

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 1>you driving drunk. It's about your putting other people, innocent

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 1>people's lives a danger by It's not about are you okay?

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Are you okay to drive? It's like are other people

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 1>okay on the road? You know? And what if something

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 1>else happens? What if somebody has an accident and you

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 1>don't have your wits about you and then you make

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the accident. You know, you compound that ten times. Meanwhile,

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I drive with you, so I know you're drunk driving

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:28.800
<v Speaker 1>is probably not really terrified, right me. Sober driving is

0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty aggressive. So drunk driving is out of my repertoire now.

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>But I did learn my lesson, and I do believe

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 1>people change. I know that I've changed myself, and so yeah,

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 1>so I think we're good. I think you're gonna be okay, Merissa,

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and I think your relationship is going to be okay.

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I believe in him. Okay, thank you so much, Chelsea.

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 1>And don't forget to communicate. Talk to him about it, right,

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.760
<v Speaker 1>don't make it his own thing or his own burden.

0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Be there with him, not like his only support. You

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be his strongest ballast. I mean you

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>can be, but you want to just make sure he knows, like, yeah,

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you're in this, because your tentativeness can also trigger his behavior. Right.

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>So you just want to be open about what you're

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>feeling and what you're thinking, even if it's sometimes unpleasant

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 1>to say. Just be like, I'm here, I want this

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to work. YadA, YadA, YadA. Okay, okay. I appreciate your opinion.

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. You're so welcome, Marissa, have a

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 1>great day. Thank you you as well. Bye. That sounded

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 1>That sounded like he's got very sound advice. It sounds

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like he's going to get a ship together. I believe

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 1>people get their ship together. Hopefully some people do. You know,

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>we'll hear about it. I'm sure. Our next mission comes

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>from Marie from Ohio. She's twenty one. She's a baby.

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cute, She writes. Dear Chelsea, me and my

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend have been together for five years and are looking

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to get engaged soon. I'm twenty one and he's twenty

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and we are entirely ready to start our lives together,

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and this past year has tested us. We moved in

0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.719
<v Speaker 1>together despite his entire family and vising us not to

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:03.080
<v Speaker 1>because of their religion. I thought it would be a

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.360
<v Speaker 1>good trial run to see if we work together. It

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 1>was one of the most eye opening experiences and He

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:10.400
<v Speaker 1>truly is my best friend. His family is not too

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 1>keen on us looking to get engaged, but we are

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>ready to start this next chapter of our lives. His

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 1>aunt sent us a Christmas card saying something along the

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>lines of, I hope one day you're kind enough to

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 1>explain your thought process on why you thought it was

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.440
<v Speaker 1>a good idea to move in together without being married.

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>What a bit. Not only am I terrified to have

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.839
<v Speaker 1>this conversation, but I'm terrified to tell them that him

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:34.279
<v Speaker 1>and I have actually sinned together. I am assuming that

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 1>means head sex. How do I work my way around

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:41.160
<v Speaker 1>this without coming off like a bit? I love their nephew, son, cousin,

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:43.759
<v Speaker 1>and religion obviously doesn't stand in my way. But I

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to offend anyone and then become that family

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 1>member that everyone doesn't want at the Christmas party. Help me.

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I love everything you do and I'm proud of you. Hi. Hi,

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.759
<v Speaker 1>How good? How are you? I'm good? Okay, So you

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:00.879
<v Speaker 1>moved in with your boyfriend. You guys have been together

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 1>since you were sixteen? Mm hmm. Did you see how

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>quickly I did that? Yeah, it's very quick, rain man,

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.800
<v Speaker 1>And you've been with no one else since you were sixteen. Yeah, okay,

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and you really love him and you want to marry him. Yes,

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.520
<v Speaker 1>he's my best friend. He's everything that I've looked for

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 1>in my life. And I'm sorry, someone's calling. Oh that's

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Joe KOI how annoying. Hold on, sorry about that. You're okay?

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I love him? Oh you do. Yes, I'm Filipino too. Oh. Actually,

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>then he got him on the phone. Hey, Joe. Yeah,

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 1>but I'm talking to somebody who's Filipino. And I said, oh,

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Joe Cooi's calling and she said, can you see him? Oh? No,

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 1>here he is, say hi, Hi Hi. She said she

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:46.879
<v Speaker 1>was Filipino. And I was like, oh, that's Joe Koy

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:48.719
<v Speaker 1>so annoying. I wish you would stop calling me. And

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>then she's like, oh, I love Joe Cord and I

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, well, then I'll answer. He's so cute.

0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.719
<v Speaker 1>He's my favorite. Yeah, we're doing the podcast. I have

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to call. I have to Joe. Are you getting into drag?

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Kill you? All right, we'll call you back. We'll call

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you back, Okay, bye. He gets upset if I don't

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 1>say I love you. At the end of the phone call.

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm not your girlfriend. But I have to

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 1>say it otherwise he'll call back. So okay, back to you, Marie.

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about this. First of all, you love him,

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be with him. I think you're way too

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>young to be with someone to get married. But listen,

0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I get it. If you love somebody and your heart

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 1>is set on it, then there's nothing you can do

0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>to change that person's mind. And I would like to

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 1>support that. So that's the thing. I've never like wanted

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 1>marriage in my life, Like, I just don't. I don't

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.800
<v Speaker 1>think you need labels or anything. But with his family

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:40.359
<v Speaker 1>like pushing marriage before anything, Like I can't even go

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 1>on their family vacations without being married. I can't stay

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the night of his like his family's house without being married.

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Stuff like that. So that's why I'm like, Okay, so

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 1>marriages next for us, even though, like I don't like labels,

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 1>I think marriage is just a construct. Honestly. Yeah, Well

0:51:56.880 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't get married for his family, right, I mean,

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:02.759
<v Speaker 1>that's not the reason to get married, because his family

0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 1>is a bunch of right wing, radical religious assholes. You know.

0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>That's that's where it gets to me every time the

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 1>religion tied to the Republicanism. It's like, really, that's that's anyway.

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.720
<v Speaker 1>So Brandon, what do you think? Because I can already

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 1>feel my vagina clenching up from talking about this. I

0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>just I love that you love him so much, but this,

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I've all sisters younger than me. There's so much life

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.480
<v Speaker 1>ahead of you, and when you're with someone from that

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:33.440
<v Speaker 1>young age, it is very easy to have tunnel vision

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>on that person. And I am never someone who would

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 1>want to enter someone with the idea that divorce is

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 1>always an option. Enter someone and she's not just something

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 1>we bring that into it. She can't even enter each

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 1>other when they're at the family's house. There's a workaround

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 1>because they've sent together. Isn't that right? Yes, just never

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:57.760
<v Speaker 1>in the presence of anyone else. So I would encourage

0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you if I were giving this advice to my sister

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 1>is to stay with him, you know, be happy for

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 1>in that relationship. You guys are both so babies, and

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem like that because you're like, no, but

0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 1>we've been neither for five years. There's you have so

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.439
<v Speaker 1>much life ahead of you that you're going to change

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.839
<v Speaker 1>and evolve, and hopefully you can do that together, But

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 1>getting married to solve an issue with his family is

0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 1>not the solution. It's possible like resentment building later, because

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that's almost like indoctrinating you. Right, you're adhering to their

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.360
<v Speaker 1>rules for their system of rules, and you have your

0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>own set of rules. You're an individual. You seem like

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:32.239
<v Speaker 1>a smart, like sharp young lady, and based on what

0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:36.359
<v Speaker 1>you said, the label does not make the relationship. And

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:38.719
<v Speaker 1>so you can't let someone force you into a situation

0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 1>where you feel like you have to do something. If

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.120
<v Speaker 1>your relationship is happy and healthy as it is right

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:46.040
<v Speaker 1>now as a couple, you guys should be able to

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 1>find a way to keep that momentum going without the

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 1>influence of outside sources making you feel like you need

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.920
<v Speaker 1>to operate in a certain way. Look at Goldie Han

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and Kurt Russell. Yeah, look at them together for so

0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.160
<v Speaker 1>long and they're still boyfriend and girlfriend. I see them

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot, and they are they are, Yeah, they love

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 1>each other and they have a hot, fiery relationship and

0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:09.840
<v Speaker 1>yeah they've never been married. That's probably why they're still together. Definitely.

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.479
<v Speaker 1>So I would never want someone to feel like they're

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 1>forcing you into situation or that's a situation you have

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to accept like I just look at you, and I

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>just see like my little sister, and it's just not

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not okay to force women into this sort of

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:24.080
<v Speaker 1>position where even though you love him and I'm sure

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 1>we'd be happy to be married, it's not really a

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 1>choice you would make based on what you said on

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:33.640
<v Speaker 1>your own intention. Yeah. Yeah, And I guess you know

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it's up to him to figure out how he wants

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.160
<v Speaker 1>to deal with his family and family vacations. But you

0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 1>know I would. I like tough love. That's why I

0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:43.279
<v Speaker 1>like just going. Sorry, neither of us are coming then,

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, like we're fucking adults. Were twenty one years

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 1>old at this point, you can't. I mean, they probably

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 1>are still thinking of you since you've been together for

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:52.879
<v Speaker 1>five years as little kids too. They're not seeing your

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 1>evolution or maturity necessarily because they're so stuck in their

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.360
<v Speaker 1>own ideas of you. And so there's a way to

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:04.880
<v Speaker 1>respectfully communicate these things, that that you are adults, and

0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that you are finding a way to make your relationship

0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 1>work for you too, and that you don't have to

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 1>answer to his aunt or his uncle or his parents anymore.

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:16.360
<v Speaker 1>If you guys are financially independent from them and able

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to maintain your life together. That's all that matters. You

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 1>don't like, they can either get on board or not.

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:24.759
<v Speaker 1>And hopefully they want to see you happy and we'll

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:26.600
<v Speaker 1>get on board. But if not, you guys also have

0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to be okay with that. Yeah, that you're a unit

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 1>and now you guys are your own family essentially. Yeah,

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you could be like it's a package deal. You either

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:40.439
<v Speaker 1>get both of us or you get none of us.

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.880
<v Speaker 1>What does he What does he think about this? What

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 1>does he think about his family? So he just went home.

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.239
<v Speaker 1>We live like an hour and a half away from home,

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:51.800
<v Speaker 1>so we don't get to see everyone. That often sounds

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.839
<v Speaker 1>like that's a good plan, yes, And that's why things

0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 1>have been like kind of spiraling, because I feel like

0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.760
<v Speaker 1>they think everything is happening so fast, but like in reality,

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 1>we've just been like living our own lives apart from them.

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 1>And then that's when we get the Christmas card from

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.719
<v Speaker 1>his aunt. But he is in the same boat I am.

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.759
<v Speaker 1>He's just like I hate that my family things like this.

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I wish they didn't think like this. I wish they

0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 1>took me more seriously because I think everything that we

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 1>do or say is just like, oh, you're a little young.

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 1>You're a little young. You don't know much yet, you

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like kind of pushing that faith

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 1>back onto him, even though from a young age she's

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>shown that there's definitely a divide there. Well, but I

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:34.000
<v Speaker 1>think I feel like you're saying two different things though,

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Like you're saying you're too like if you take the

0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 1>marriage off the table, right, take that out, there's no

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:42.120
<v Speaker 1>reason you need to get married, especially if it's for

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 1>his family. And you're twenty one, so like, you know,

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>even I understand you love him and everything, but why

0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:49.000
<v Speaker 1>not wait another five years till you're twenty five? Then

0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you'll know for fucking sure. Right, there's so many things

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 1>that haven't happened to you yet. And I know you're

0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:55.600
<v Speaker 1>not interested in hearing that because you're in love, and

0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I get that, But there are just so many things

0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that happened to our brain as we evolve as human beings.

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:04.880
<v Speaker 1>As girls and boys, we developed differently. Our brains developed differently.

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Our brains aren't even fully formed until we're like twenty

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:10.640
<v Speaker 1>six years old for boys and some girls, Like there's

0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:12.759
<v Speaker 1>some things that aren't connected, you know, until we're in

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 1>our twenties, so it's important to give yourself the time

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to not put yourself into situation like that, I believe,

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>and especially not for his family. So I think there's

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a nice conversation you guys can have with them if

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:30.480
<v Speaker 1>you can agree to say, like this, this is the deal.

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 1>We've been together a long time. If you guys can't

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 1>like understand that we're together, like, you know, maybe if

0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you take out the marriage thing or explain to them,

0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>like the only reason we would get married is so

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>that we can sleep together at our when we're on vacation.

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Is that what you guys want us to do? You know? Yeah,

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that's true. It's just it's hard too because they think

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:52.680
<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of faith in our lives. We

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.440
<v Speaker 1>just have never had that conversation with them yet that

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.439
<v Speaker 1>we are not following their footsteps. We are not going

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 1>to church every Sunday, we are not praying before bed.

0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's another situation that makes us very uncomfortable.

0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Then you need to have that conversation. Though, you know,

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 1>those uncomfortable conversations are important to have. It doesn't have

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 1>to be cantankerous either. You know, you don't have to

0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:16.920
<v Speaker 1>be yelling and screaming. You just have to say listen, like,

0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 1>the world is changing, you know. Religion isn't what it

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 1>used to be. It's certainly not for us. We're not

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:24.520
<v Speaker 1>doing these things, so us having to subscribe to your

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.760
<v Speaker 1>idea of what we should be is completely an unfair

0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 1>way for us to live. Write that down. That was love,

0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:35.560
<v Speaker 1>but that yeah, well an audio recording, so I can

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>just listen back to it. Okay, well, listen to this

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and then write it down. Yeah, so I think that's

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 1>what you should say. That's good. Actually, yeah, that was

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>very helpful. Thank you. Alright, Marie, so let us know

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 1>what happens. Okay, I totally you've spoken to them at

0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:54.240
<v Speaker 1>some point, I will. Okay, thank you, Okay. I really

0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:56.760
<v Speaker 1>like Marie. I just don't think she's got the age

0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.440
<v Speaker 1>to get married. No, but she's gonna get married, so

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing you can do about it. But yeah, I

0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 1>mean twenty one getting married at twenty one? Do you

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>when you look at your life and if you're not

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.880
<v Speaker 1>in your own life, it just seems idiotic. It is

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:11.640
<v Speaker 1>like the first part of your life. There are like

0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:16.680
<v Speaker 1>fifty parts of life. Well maybe I guess let's say twenties,

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:21.720
<v Speaker 1>one part, forties, another part, sixties a third part. But

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:23.720
<v Speaker 1>when people are in love, they want to be together.

0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 1>They don't see the macro, they see the micro. Yeah,

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. I appreciate that for her, that she's

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:32.400
<v Speaker 1>found someone she wants to do with. I just think

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of my sisters during that age, and it's just there's

0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:39.200
<v Speaker 1>so much development that happens personally between twenty one and thirty. Yeah,

0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 1>that's true. I mean, that's that's it's hard. I have

0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 1>a niece that lives with her boyfriend and she's going

0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:45.320
<v Speaker 1>to get married, probably before any of us are ready.

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:46.840
<v Speaker 1>But you know, we just have to suck it up

0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and let people live their own lives. Although you know,

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:51.360
<v Speaker 1>if you're calling in to get advice, then we're going

0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:54.760
<v Speaker 1>to hopefully help you live a different life or or

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:58.960
<v Speaker 1>take a step of bravery. But that whole situation is

0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:02.680
<v Speaker 1>just you know, she's got to deal with multiple components,

1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:07.320
<v Speaker 1>religion being the most annoying one. All right, well we

1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>have more to cover, but let's take a quick break.

1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:13.320
<v Speaker 1>We're just breaking up families left and right. It's like,

1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:15.560
<v Speaker 1>if you want to break up with somebody, please write

1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 1>in or call us because we can help you do it.

1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:20.400
<v Speaker 1>We can help you set boundaries. Break up, you need

1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to lose a family member, partner, you want to break

1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:25.760
<v Speaker 1>up with your spouse, a friend, a family member. No, no,

1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:29.040
<v Speaker 1>breakup is awful. Limits, it's our real house. I air

1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:30.960
<v Speaker 1>on the side of really just telling everyone to go

1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.720
<v Speaker 1>funk themselves. You're a little bit more diplomatic, although with

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.640
<v Speaker 1>your mother you're very harsh. I mean, I but I

1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:38.760
<v Speaker 1>get it, I get it. I respect. Did you watch

1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:43.480
<v Speaker 1>The Gypsy Rose Hulu with Patricia Arquette. Yeah, yeah, again,

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<v Speaker 1>that is very reminiscent of my mom, who like made

1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:50.480
<v Speaker 1>us believe things were going on that we're not going on,

1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that there were dynamics being built. I mean, she's just

1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:56.600
<v Speaker 1>sucking nuts. I love her, I do. And that's the

1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:58.560
<v Speaker 1>moral of the story is you can love someone from

1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:00.680
<v Speaker 1>afar and want the best for them and not interact

1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:04.960
<v Speaker 1>with them. A religion is just so annoying when people

1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:07.959
<v Speaker 1>are so religious that they try that they expect other

1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:11.320
<v Speaker 1>people to follow that religion. It's just like that's the

1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:15.360
<v Speaker 1>opposite of what religion is is like loving all human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what they believe in or what they think

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<v Speaker 1>as long as they're kind and not discriminatory. Understand, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't just filtered through and like people just pick what

1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.840
<v Speaker 1>they want from it. Whatever is convenient to their narrative

1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:32.400
<v Speaker 1>is what they'll choose. When I was in high school

1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and the pastor who I went to church every Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember there never being any like scripture present

1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:44.880
<v Speaker 1>or any sermon about adultery because he was constantly cheating

1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:47.800
<v Speaker 1>on his wife. So it's like that type of ship.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh my god, it's just so annoying. And

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<v Speaker 1>my time there's any sort of sanctimony or righteousness, self righteousness,

1:01:56.840 --> 1:02:01.480
<v Speaker 1>it's always right, like it's always because it's like they're

1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:04.480
<v Speaker 1>not practicing what they're preaching at all. And no, I

1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:07.280
<v Speaker 1>just have so the straw that broke my back with religion,

1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and I grew up going on mission trips, and I

1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:10.800
<v Speaker 1>think that there is something like I like the idea

1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:15.440
<v Speaker 1>of going to church for the fundamentals, treat your neighbor

1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:17.560
<v Speaker 1>how you would want to be treated. And again that's

1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:20.520
<v Speaker 1>like what people do not practice unless it's convenient to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we moved here, I made leave. I go

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<v Speaker 1>to a church is called mosaic and it's in like

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<v Speaker 1>the center of kind of like Hollywood, and it's very

1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:34.680
<v Speaker 1>like the young group. It's quote unquote like cool and leave.

1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I did not grow up in church. So he did

1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:37.720
<v Speaker 1>not want to go, and made him go, made him

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<v Speaker 1>do the donation, the whole bit, and he was like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking annoyed. He got home because he's like, Okay, the

1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:44.280
<v Speaker 1>music was fine, Like if this is something you're really

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<v Speaker 1>serious about, like I will go with you on Sundays.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nice. Yeah, it was great. I would never do

1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that for a partner. He So then he started researching it.

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<v Speaker 1>The pastor who does the sermons for a very diverse congregation,

1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:57.920
<v Speaker 1>so like a lot of LGBT people, a lot of

1:02:57.960 --> 1:03:01.640
<v Speaker 1>people of color, there were some as people. There was

1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:07.360
<v Speaker 1>listed on like Joel Olstein's Top Southern Baptists Preachers and

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<v Speaker 1>had a sermon where he basically said that God's gift

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<v Speaker 1>was aids to eliminate gay people. And I'm like, how

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<v Speaker 1>can you be the pastor of a congregation and be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, very persistent about making a donation with gay

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<v Speaker 1>people in the audience and then simultaneously be going and

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<v Speaker 1>doing these sermons basically saying like we should all be

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<v Speaker 1>wiped out. I mean, it's just it's so convoluted. Religion

1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:32.200
<v Speaker 1>is very opportunistic, I know, I know it very it's

1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:34.320
<v Speaker 1>it's it's upsetting too because it's the root of all

1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:38.360
<v Speaker 1>it's the root of all war and discrimination. You know,

1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:44.280
<v Speaker 1>religion persecution. It's just religious persecution, all of it. You know,

1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:47.160
<v Speaker 1>it's very hard. All you want is to be loving

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<v Speaker 1>and accept people and have compassion, and that can't Christianity

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<v Speaker 1>cannot involve you saying you don't like the Black Lives

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<v Speaker 1>Matter movement. You can't be a Christian and say that

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<v Speaker 1>you have a problem with that. How is that Christian

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<v Speaker 1>people defending themselves peacefully, protesting, peacefully saying we want to

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<v Speaker 1>be treated equally. We don't feel like we're being treated equally.

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<v Speaker 1>When somebody says they don't feel like they're being treated equally,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your decision to tell them, yes, you are. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>People just love to take up an opposition as well

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<v Speaker 1>as what I found, when there's a cause going on,

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<v Speaker 1>if it isn't inclusive to them in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not about them, they'll take an opposition. So because

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<v Speaker 1>it's Black Lives Matter, they're just like, well, I'm white.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not including this. Well you fucking could be. You

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<v Speaker 1>could be out there marching with your black and brown

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<v Speaker 1>counterparts and showing support. But because it's not about you,

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<v Speaker 1>you take the opposition, you take whatever stance is not

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<v Speaker 1>what to me. I guess the black lives matter because

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<v Speaker 1>of where we are is the popular movement is like

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<v Speaker 1>people should be involved in being inclusive, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere in America. I have a thing with men. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I think men are hopeless because of the behavior they've

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<v Speaker 1>necessar for the last five thousand years. But I have

1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a thing with women, Like I don't get how a

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<v Speaker 1>woman could not a mother, someone who's a parent and

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<v Speaker 1>a mother, ever be okay with anyone else's child being

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<v Speaker 1>shot in a school or being shot by police. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how mothers can't get behind that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, your child was stolen from you. People

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<v Speaker 1>are so self involved they don't see their children in

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<v Speaker 1>those other kids. They don't see that. They think that's separate, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not their kids, Like, that's that's a non issue

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<v Speaker 1>for them because it's not going to happen in they're

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<v Speaker 1>all white school, Like that's they don't associate that with

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<v Speaker 1>their lives. That is the other. That's not my problem

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<v Speaker 1>when I say school shootings, I just bring that up

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a Republican thing. I don't mean that's the

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<v Speaker 1>same you know, it's not the same thing as Black

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<v Speaker 1>Lives Matter, But it's two Republican things, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>having a problem with Black lives matter and thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay for mass shootings to happen in schools all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, it's okay to live in a country where

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<v Speaker 1>it's essentially a war zone. That's Republican. And why we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have kids. That's why we're not Republicans. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting tired to I'm really going to need a margarita.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting one, So don't worry about that, sweetheart. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't want that girl to get married. Well I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want her to get married either, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's very difficult because I don't want a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one year old girl to get married, Like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what's going to happen in ten years, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what you're going to be into. You don't realize how

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<v Speaker 1>young you're twenty one. I thought I fucking knew every

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I am an adult. There is nothing anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can tell me. And now I look back at that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was so naive to what life

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<v Speaker 1>really looks like. I still feel like a baby sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thirty one. Well, twenty one, I was king. I

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<v Speaker 1>I once keyed my ex boyfriend's car because he broke up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I got drunk, went over to his house

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<v Speaker 1>and opened the door. I had a key to his house,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a woman in his bed, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I ran out and I keyed his car. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing when I was twenty one. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't keyed somebody's car in a really long a month.

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<v Speaker 1>I should keep my Bill's car, so you just have

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<v Speaker 1>to buy our a new one, so it'll really just

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<v Speaker 1>be another expense. Well, we covered racism, we covered religion,

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<v Speaker 1>We covered yeah, yeah, wow. Heavy topics. Much heavier than

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<v Speaker 1>I anticipated. This podcast is a little bit heavier than

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<v Speaker 1>I had anticipated it would be. Luckily, there are personal

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<v Speaker 1>stories to weave through to keep it light. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't expecting this level of seriousness. But I welcome it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I welcome a challenge, and I want to help

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<v Speaker 1>people and I love everybody who's written in and I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to support you. So we're just gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>it moving and keep it rolling and just accept whatever

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<v Speaker 1>comes our way. Also, I am on tour. My tickets

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<v Speaker 1>are officially on sale. We've added a couple of extra shows.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be announcing dates as we go. You

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<v Speaker 1>can buy tickets a ticket master for my shows. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be playing my next big show, I'm at the Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Bowl August one, so you can come see me there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I have all the other cities that I

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<v Speaker 1>have already released and tickets are available and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>fucking wait. It's called vaccinated and a horny, So make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you bring your vaccinations and your horny nows

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<v Speaker 1>and then keep them to yourself. Please, do you or

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<v Speaker 1>someone you know need advice on any subject, literally anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You can send your submission to Dear Chelsea Project at

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