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Speaker 1: What's the first time you ever sang in front of people?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that the song itself is

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Speaker 1: The vocals telling the story. But then the music is

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Speaker 1: so important too. One of my favorite composers is David Axelrod.

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Speaker 1: Incredible the way he could move you with the tone

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Speaker 1: that as as a songwriter and whatever I will do

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Speaker 1: in the future, everything does matter. And he's one of

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Speaker 1: it's why I was listening to it, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's telling the story based on who's doing it,

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Speaker 1: but it's telling the story of a time that we

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Speaker 1: like to walk down the streets of you know. Selma

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Speaker 1: Alabama nineteens. Everything's there, that's all the information I need. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can read a book, of course, books are wonderful too,

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Speaker 1: I need to know about the mood, what you're afraid,

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Speaker 1: there's colors in it. It's like there's so much information

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Speaker 1: you're directing my thoughts of what to think. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's the key. I think what you

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Speaker 1: then music puts you in a place where you can

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Speaker 1: feel your feelings, your own feelings. Yeah, it really opens

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Speaker 1: I think all of expression of creativity, I think that

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Speaker 1: So even when you're looking at a giant painting, and

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Speaker 1: I never understood art because I wasn't understanding what I

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Speaker 1: this makes me feel like childhood, but like also like

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just I'm getting it more and more,

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Speaker 1: I think, the more I learned about myself just as

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Speaker 1: a person, and that's been just been really really cool

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Speaker 1: and eye opening, especially like on this earth, all I

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Speaker 1: want to do is create things, So it's been cool

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Speaker 1: learning how to do that from everything that's differ from

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Speaker 1: what I do, you know, But then also it ain't

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Speaker 1: so different from painting what I do, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, It's not so different. I don't think so either.

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Speaker 1: Brittany Howard's first solo album, Jamie, came out this fall.

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Speaker 1: I also want to let you know that Broken Record

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Speaker 1: is going on a short hiatus, but we'll be back

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Speaker 1: in January with episodes of the podcast, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: week in the new year. Broken Record is produced with

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Speaker 1: help from Jason Gambrel, Milo Bell, and Lea Rose. Our

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Speaker 1: theme music is by Kenny Beats. I'll catch you back

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