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Speaker 1: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast. John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I fucking love him. I can't get.

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Speaker 3: Enough of them.

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Speaker 2: If you're that birth job, there are a couple of

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Speaker 2: absolutely self involved bullshit artists.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, John Anick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Oh is it great to be back with you. We

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Speaker 4: are on a new platform today. I think they call

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Speaker 4: it stream yad in Boston. It's Monday, February fifth, February fifteenth,

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Speaker 4: i should say, twenty twenty one, Episode two eighty eight

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Speaker 4: of the Anak and Florian Podcast, starring three times UFC

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Speaker 4: title challenger multi stripe Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, sir. Nice flowers behind you, huh at the

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Speaker 4: un Times Day show my feminine side over here? Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: I'm well man, it's great to see you. Great card

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Speaker 3: this weekend. I'm excited to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: So whose flowers are those? Before we before we get

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Speaker 4: to headlines. You sound like you're in a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a rush today. I believe these are clarks. These

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Speaker 4: are not for me. This is from her dad. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So we had so much to get to and UFC

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Speaker 4: two fifty eight delivered in a big way. Only ten

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Speaker 4: fights as it stood after losing one on fight day,

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Speaker 4: we got fifteen coming up on Saturday night, so a

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Speaker 4: lot to get to. Today. We'll be joined by UFC

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Speaker 4: welterweight contender Belam Muhammad in about forty minutes or so.

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Speaker 4: In Ray Longo coming up in ten minutes or whenever

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Speaker 4: he gets impatient via text message, or we'll see. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if it's now, we might not even have

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Speaker 4: Ray today. But let us get to headlines and let

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Speaker 4: us get to a guy who I don't know, probably

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Speaker 4: sealed up the UFC Hall of Fame jacket over the weekend,

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Speaker 4: Ken Flow the now three time defending UFC welterweight champion

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Speaker 4: Kamara Ousman Moses of Gilbert Burns there in round three

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Speaker 4: and just a great performance and it really had it all,

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Speaker 4: you know, as you said on your YouTube channel, it

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Speaker 4: had a momentum swing early. But Gilbert Burns, to his word,

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Speaker 4: says he got over excited. Not to take away from

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Speaker 4: Kamara Usman, but that's the way. Durinho's God, how did

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Speaker 4: you see it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I think he did get a little bit emotional,

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Speaker 3: but he got emotional because kamara Uzman started getting back

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Speaker 3: into the fight and kamara Uzman was not going away.

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Speaker 3: There were times where Gilbert was landing some great shots.

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Speaker 3: He was utilizing way more versatility, and I think that

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Speaker 3: once he started catching him with his hands and hurting

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Speaker 3: him with his hands, he kind of decided to make

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Speaker 3: it a boxing fight. And that's where he allowed kamara

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Speaker 3: Uzman back into the fight. And you know a lot

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Speaker 3: of people were saying, you know, you got a credit

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Speaker 3: Trevor Whitman here, and absolutely, you know, he was telling

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Speaker 3: him to use the jab, and Kamorrow certainly did that.

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Speaker 3: The other thing is, you know, physically, he just looked

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Speaker 3: way larger than Gilbert and he utilized that what six

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Speaker 3: advantage that he had, which was brilliant utilizing that job.

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Speaker 3: It prevented Gilbert from coming in and was really frustrating

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Speaker 3: him and hurting Gilbert. You know, I think it pretty

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Speaker 3: much comes down to Kamarrow made the adjustments in Gilbert didn't.

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Speaker 4: Right, So in terms of the jab as a singular weapon,

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Speaker 4: and I gotta love the MMA fan base. Hearkening back

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Speaker 4: to Ken Flow against Takanori Gomi. I think in twenty ten,

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Speaker 4: goddamn piston coming out of the Dover, Massachusetts native. But

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Speaker 4: ken Flow, you prided yourself on having a good jab,

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Speaker 4: so what can you tell us further? I guess on

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Speaker 4: kamara Usman's use of the jab as really like a

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Speaker 4: fight ending weapon in this fight.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, you could use a knife, You could

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Speaker 4: Kind of like a drobbing device one of them.

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Speaker 3: I can't even think of the the damn thing like

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Speaker 3: a long spike, And that's what he was doing, almost

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Speaker 3: like a lance to keep Gilbert on the outside. Every

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Speaker 3: he was running into that job of kamara Uzman.

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Speaker 4: So it prevented the offense from Gilbert Burns to materialize.

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Speaker 3: And it also set up the offense from kamara Usman

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Speaker 4: So both on the offensive and defensive side.

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Speaker 3: Kamara Usman was doing a great job of just keeping

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Speaker 4: So I think that it kind of exposed Gilbert a

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Speaker 3: And obviously he's made such great progress with his striking,

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of things we can talk about

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Speaker 4: to do it in an efficient manner. But it's thirteen

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Speaker 4: This is a big, big deal and it shouldn't be understated.

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Speaker 4: But the mental fortitude, the locker room bump, you know,

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Speaker 4: before the main event, I said, he has a lot

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like he was facing a guy who

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Speaker 4: That stuff can get to you. I thought it was

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Speaker 3: Good sign in a lot of ways for Gilbert, and

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Speaker 4: You, right, and Tomorrow ain't trying to rekindle the friendship. Right,

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Speaker 4: He's probably gonna have to fight him again. And those

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Speaker 4: more than willing to bury the hatchet quickly, and Kamorrow

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Speaker 4: an acquaintance than a friend. I mean, Kamara Usman is

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Speaker 4: And I don't even know that he was all that

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Speaker 3: The UFC stands for the Ultimate Fighting Championship, not the

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Speaker 4: You know, He's like, you know, is it going to

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Speaker 3: Going to be you with Kamara Uzman, he's there to

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Speaker 3: which I think is really propelling him to new heights.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think a.

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Speaker 3: Lot about have beaten AMaGA Metoff and what he did

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Speaker 4: Really just learning the game.

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Speaker 3: But to think about what he's doing in the UFCN

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Speaker 3: with his wrestling and now with his striking, it's extremely impressive.

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Speaker 3: He has that killer mindset. This is a guy who's

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Speaker 4: And this is a.

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Speaker 4: And seemed like for him it was more of an

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Speaker 4: Ken Flow is one of the nicest guys in MMA.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know that there's anyone that you ever hated,

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Speaker 4: would you rather fight a guy that you hated or

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Speaker 4: fight Ryan Hall? And I think you'd probably rather fight

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Speaker 3: No, for sure, I think so you know, listen, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think about my first fight, my first official fight

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Speaker 3: a lot from.

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Speaker 4: There are no friends out out there.

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Speaker 3: And there's certainly no friends once you get into the yachtagon,

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Speaker 3: and you never know who you're going to face. So

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Speaker 4: If you're a poor fighter, be very careful. Right, all right,

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Speaker 4: pole question for today's Annik and Florian podcast. Over ten

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, uh, Ray Longo, we delayed him about

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Speaker 1: Is now time for the Ray Longo Minute's a hold

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Speaker 1: Longo Minute. The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Garden City, New York. That is not a Make America

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Speaker 4: Great Again. Hat. It is a Saint John's University hat

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Speaker 5: Another guy who loves what he does or did and

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Speaker 4: But I want to say a big thank you to

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Speaker 4: But thank you very much, buddy. I just the sweaty

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Speaker 4: We got a lot of stuff. Your boys still hashtag

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Speaker 4: on the situation, Kenny, is that Gilbert Burns wants to

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Speaker 4: be a UFC champion as bad as anybody that I've

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Speaker 4: ever seen. And uh, and I just I think this

434
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Speaker 4: is just going to be really a hard couple weeks

435
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Speaker 4: from because of that, more than.

436
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Speaker 3: Any absolutely, you know, and I think listen, experience matters.

437
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 3: And you know, what people don't really talk about is

438
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: all the extra interviews and all the extra media and

439
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 3: all the extra attention that is on.

440
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Speaker 4: You when you're you know, okay, main event's one thing.

441
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Speaker 3: When you're fighting for the world championship belt, it's a

442
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: whole different level. And it's super important that you keep

443
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Speaker 3: your perspective and understand that is it a big fight?

444
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 4: Sure? Is it just another fight though? Yes?

445
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Speaker 3: And you know, don't don't get a twisted and almost

446
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 3: don't let other people's perspectives and questions get to you.

447
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: You've got to stay focused on the task at hand

448
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 3: and just be focused on what's in front of you.

449
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: And that sounds so easy to do, but when people

450
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: are asking all these questions and giving all these other

451
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Speaker 3: angles and what do you think about this?

452
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Speaker 4: And are you nervous?

453
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Speaker 3: And how did you prepare for this, and you kind

454
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Speaker 3: of you can over complicate things, especially for guys who

455
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Speaker 3: like to think a lot so and again being in

456
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Speaker 3: that situation for the first time, not everybody responds well.

457
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Speaker 3: And I think he got overly excited too, because he

458
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Speaker 3: did have his moments in that first round.

459
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Speaker 4: I thought he won that first round.

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Speaker 3: He was hurting Tomorrow, and then once Tomorrow started coming back,

461
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Speaker 3: and maybe he started getting a little frustrated and tired.

462
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Speaker 4: I think that affected things as well.

463
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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, And let me just say, like I put

464
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Speaker 5: out a tweet that night that said, uh, don't ever

465
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Speaker 5: mistake Jim's barring for fighting, you know what I mean?

466
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Speaker 5: And absolutely I always go to the mental side of things. John,

467
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 5: like Eve, Look, so the other guy leaves the gym,

468
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 5: maybe he's got friends in the gym. They don't want

469
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Speaker 5: to work for Gilbert. There's a mental toll that's taken somewhere.

470
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Speaker 5: It's not just clean. Everybody goes back acting like it's normal.

471
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 5: Let's get this guy ready. You got friendships. Some guys

472
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Speaker 5: take that shit real serious. There's loyalty involved. Who the

473
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Speaker 5: hell knows how that affected thing. But in the fight,

474
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think simplicity and fight IQ was the key.

475
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Speaker 5: And as far as what happened in the gym, I

476
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Speaker 5: think the first inclination when Gilbert was on his back

477
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 5: and that Camorrow didn't want to follow him down Kenny

478
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Speaker 5: was a sign that he probably got submitted in sparring. Rightick,

479
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 5: go down there, you know. And Gilbert's you know, throws

480
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 5: like a maniac, you know what I mean. So when

481
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 5: he had him hurd, Denny was willing to go down,

482
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Speaker 5: so he was patient. Simplicity was the key to me.

483
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Speaker 5: And again Trevor Whitman did a great job. People could say,

484
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 5: all right, so what he told him to throw the jib, No,

485
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 5: that's what a coach is there for. Because look at

486
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Speaker 5: the difference. They both got hit with the same right hand.

487
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 5: Look how Camarrow responded, He regrouped, went.

488
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Speaker 4: Back to the jeb.

489
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Speaker 5: When you see Gilbert Burns get hit with that same

490
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Speaker 5: right hand and they buckled kind of the same exact way.

491
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Speaker 5: You see Gilbert get hit Eve you see a look

492
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Speaker 5: of frenzy in his face. There was the total difference

493
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Speaker 5: of demeanor on how they handled when they hit adversity,

494
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Speaker 5: And to me, that was the difference in the fight.

495
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean. On a quiversent, hats off

496
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Speaker 4: to Trevor Whitman. He goes back to the jib.

497
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Speaker 5: The guy had a great jib, knocked him down with

498
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Speaker 5: the jeb right jib and a left jib of switching leads.

499
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Speaker 5: So you got to keep it simple. I thought Tomorrow

500
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Speaker 5: showed that's why he's a champion. He found a way

501
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Speaker 5: to win after a That's what champions do, right. Gilbert

502
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 5: got hit, he never recovered. He looked like a deer

503
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: in headlight thrill. Yeah, I'm not taking up in a way.

504
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 5: I'm just saying what happened. Grant think is he's just

505
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Speaker 5: throwing shit with the other guy.

506
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Speaker 4: He got hurt.

507
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Speaker 5: He goes, all right, I'm calm, let me get back

508
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: in this fight. I'm not gonna overextend myself. I'm gonna

509
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 5: keep it basic. You know, I've been there, and you know,

510
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: and I think that, to me was the difference in the.

511
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Speaker 4: Fight and in terms of what you were saying about

512
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Speaker 4: them grappling and training. Ray direct quote to us from

513
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Speaker 4: Gilbert Burns in our Fighter meeting. Kamara knows I can

514
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Speaker 4: submit him from every angle. And when Gilbert Burns says

515
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Speaker 4: that to you. You just don't take it as anything

516
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Speaker 4: but the truth. So Kamar Usman probably wise not to

517
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Speaker 4: engage him on the ground. So you cornered Matt Sarah

518
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 4: more than once against George Saint Pierre, who is ubiquitously

519
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 4: regarded as the greatest UFC welterweight in history. And I

520
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: don't know if I'm asking you to put what Kamar's

521
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: done into context, but this is a really special fighter

522
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 4: ray and thirteen and ohero in the UFC, and it's

523
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Speaker 4: hard for me to recall him losing like multiple minutes

524
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 4: other than some big shots in the Covington flight. Yeah, no,

525
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 4: look what you gotta like about tomorrow.

526
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Speaker 5: At this point, he's had moments where he looked like

527
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 5: he was possibly gonna lose, and again that's when I

528
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 5: go back, he finds a way to win. He's definitely

529
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Speaker 5: got the mindset of a champion. You could see it

530
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 5: he's got and he's got the physical attributes to back

531
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Speaker 5: it up. But I love this guy's mindset. He did

532
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 5: not look good in that first round. I agree with Kenny.

533
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 5: He lost the first round and he got buckled. I

534
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 5: really thought it might have been over, but he did

535
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 5: regroup and that's all you can ask for a guy.

536
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 5: And again that goes back to the corner you're a

537
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: champion because of the JEB. Whether that's even true or not,

538
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 5: it doesn't even matter. Just I want to keep it simple.

539
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 5: I want you to overextend yourself and get into a

540
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 5: brawl with this guy who throws heavy. You could see

541
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 5: that heavy an erratic. I mean, he's just winging. So

542
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 5: I think it was a great job like that. But

543
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 5: there's no doubt that kamara Ousman is there to stay

544
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 5: and he's you know, I'm switching subjects, but even listening

545
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 5: to him talk where he's like people got to start realizing.

546
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 5: So I mean, I don't just everybody thinks he's great.

547
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: So in his you know, perception is reality, but his

548
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 5: perception is that people don't even recognize him. I've never

549
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 5: heard that from anybody I've talked to, so that's that

550
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 5: was a little crazy for me to hear that. You know,

551
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 5: he feels kind of disrespected somehow because he is a

552
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 5: great champion.

553
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Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with you, Ray, I do think that

554
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: people don't.

555
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Speaker 3: It's not like Connor, you know, where people are going

556
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: to buy the pay per view because Tomorrow's fighting and

557
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: that's a different thing. But as far as respecting him

558
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: as a fighter, I think that that actually is a

559
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Speaker 3: big part of his success.

560
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Speaker 4: In a lot of ways. I think that fuels him,

561
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Speaker 4: uh and allows him to perform like he does.

562
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Speaker 3: I think that that nastiness kind of comes out of

563
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: him and he takes it out on his opponents.

564
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I just funny to

565
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 4: hear him say that, But I do agree that. And

566
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Speaker 4: you could even see thirteen and you're like, yeah, right right.

567
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, even the intensity when he called out Mastra Doll,

568
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 5: He's just like that was this he just disgusted, you know,

569
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 5: he just you know.

570
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 4: Now, it could be two reasons.

571
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 5: It could be, you know, because tomorrow, I'm assuming he's

572
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 5: not the biggest draw for pay per view, so why

573
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 5: not get a name that you know is going to

574
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: draw because it means more money.

575
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: But it seemed like it was beyond that. To me.

576
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: It was he's really hates this guy because you know,

577
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: oh yeah, he might be right. I took that fight

578
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 5: on six days nose because I haven't you know, that's

579
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: an excuse.

580
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: I go in there, I do whatever I can. I

581
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 4: always I lose.

582
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 5: Hey, I took the fight on six days. Notice you

583
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So he might be right, he's

584
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 5: feeling something, but you're probably right, Kenny. It fuels him,

585
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: which is a great thing. But to me, it was

586
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 5: just interesting, what's going on in that guy's mind when

587
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 5: we all think the guy is a great fighter, would compare?

588
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 5: You know, he's already passed, he's wrecked. I don't know

589
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 5: what else can you say about the guy. Nobody's I

590
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: don't I've never heard anybody criticize him.

591
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's why I think Rogan was caught off guard.

592
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: And yeah, you get up. I remember in twenty fifteen

593
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: after he beat Hider Hassan walking up to him and

594
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 4: telling him back then, dude, you're gonna be the champion. Man,

595
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 4: You're gonna be the champion, you know, six years ago.

596
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: So uh well, congratulations to Kamara Usman. Certainly respect for

597
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: that man in this space. Ray, you have a dog.

598
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: We're in the business of saving lives here on the

599
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: ankin Forlorn podcast. We save dogs, hamsters, that's what we're about.

600
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 4: So for educating me, if you had to pick one

601
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: active welterweight, I mean, it looks as though it's gonna

602
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 4: be probably Usman versus Moss feed all two. Maybe those

603
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: guys coach the ultimate fighter. But if you had to

604
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: send one welterweight in there for them to not take

605
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: your dog away to beat Kamara Eusman, who are you

606
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 4: sending in there? I need to know who you believe.

607
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: And I think you know the answer today w B

608
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: of course, of course, yeah that's the guy. Why is

609
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: he not for it yet? That's a nightmare, you know,

610
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: and he has the moment right now and in his

611
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: last fight. No, I'm hey, no argument for me. And

612
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: in a lot of respects loves the meritocracy and I

613
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: think he would be able to make a championship case

614
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 4: for wonder Boy right now as well. Absolutely, But you

615
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: think stylistically that's a very interesting matchup and a lot

616
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: of fans a great listen. Stylistically, wonder Boy's a nightmare

617
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 4: for anybody. Everything, it really doesn't matter, you know what

618
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: I mean.

619
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Speaker 5: Like he could get taken down in the first four

620
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 5: rounds and kick you in the head in the fifth round, right,

621
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 5: He's always going to have that ability to get you

622
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 5: out of there.

623
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Speaker 4: And he is tricky, uh, you know, And I'd love

624
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: to see that fight. I really would.

625
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 5: I think, uh, you know, look, two nice guys, too

626
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 5: nosy to look at won device he calls. Yet you

627
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 5: know you feel like you're getting called out like it's

628
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 5: not nice, professionally professional way like.

629
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: I think that guy could get away with anything.

630
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever heard him talk negative about anybody,

631
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 5: And honestly, I think w B would.

632
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: Just love to have the chance at him, just to

633
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: see why he's that, you know, I think that's who

634
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: he is. I think the number one goal, and we're

635
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: going to be joined by the Lah Muhammad here in

636
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: about ten minutes, has to be to try to get

637
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: this division moving forward, you know, because just go look

638
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: at the rankings and how many guys are deserving of

639
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: big fights right now. So I think the best case scenario,

640
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: regardless of who you think it's going to be, is

641
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: to try to turn this division around in three or

642
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: four months. But if they go with the reality TV show,

643
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: then it's not going to go in that direction. Go ahead, Ry,

644
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: and I know you have friends with Balala.

645
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: I don't really think I know, But what a tough,

646
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 5: gutsy fight that was as Lake kicked up.

647
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: That guy is a tough. That's a grinder. Man.

648
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 5: That guy is in your face. Maybe not the prettiest

649
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 5: guy to look at, but hats off to him.

650
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: Man.

651
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, overcome those kicks suck. Can I ask you a

652
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: question about these kicks? And I want to ask both

653
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: of you this question, So we'll start with Ray and

654
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 4: then we'll get an answer from Ken Flow as well.

655
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: Blam Muhammad in his post scrum or whatever interview after

656
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 4: the fight, talked about these calf kicks and you know,

657
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: when you're in training, you got shin pads on, and

658
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: they kind of are what they are. But it seems

659
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: to me, based upon his comments and based to everything

660
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: that I've heard and tried to listen to over the

661
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 4: past year plus, there's not really a great way to

662
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 4: condition yourself. It's going to come down to some toughness

663
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: in there as it's happening the extent to which the

664
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: opponent's able to land right on that muscle. Uh and

665
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: if they get one really on that sweet spot, that

666
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: completely takes your leg out from a nerve standpoint, But

667
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: it would seem to me that there's not really so

668
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 4: much you can do in training to try to prevent

669
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 4: this weapon from becoming a real problem in the fight.

670
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, John, the only thing honestly, and Kenny,

671
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 5: you could we never really had this back in the day,

672
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 5: I don't think, right. I mean, like, if that happened

673
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 5: in sporing, you'd say you pull the guy a dufi

674
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 5: is right? What are you kicking a guy in the

675
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: ankle for?

676
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: You know?

677
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 5: It would be like it would even you would actually

678
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 5: probably yell at the guy like it'd be like kicking

679
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 5: a guy in.

680
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: The bulls, you know what I mean. Like, but you

681
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: have to keep moving, man. That's the thing.

682
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: The guys that stand in front of you and they

683
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: plod in a heavy on that leg, they're in trouble,

684
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 5: you know. So the constant movement, the side to side movement,

685
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: the in and out, don't give the guy the chance

686
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: to set up is at least a start, right, That's

687
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 5: at least a start. And that's what you got to

688
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 5: work in sport. You have to have a guy literally

689
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 5: trying to kick in. You got to get that leg

690
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 5: out of the way, either with movement or you know,

691
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 5: I called it a different type of footwork, but moving

692
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: the leg back and then coming back in again. But

693
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 5: it's it's not easy. It's easier said than done. I

694
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 5: don't look It's like, how are you going to condition

695
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: your head? Bang it against a heavy big Like there's

696
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 5: no conditioning fit this right, Kenny, Like, I'm gonna get

697
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 5: my head tough. I just thought, banging the heavy big

698
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: what are you gonna do?

699
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: That nerve is so exposed down there.

700
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 5: I'm surprised it took this lotokle to figure that out,

701
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 5: you know, but I guess it. You know, it took

702
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 5: a sport like mma where everything goes you know what

703
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 5: I mean?

704
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: So, uh, you know what you think.

705
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 5: And the other thing is, look at Felder, he walked

706
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 5: through fifty of those how to frick that guy did it?

707
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: I don't understand, but he's got I'm sure it's part fit,

708
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 5: the way your body is structured. Uh, And I'm sure

709
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: it's part mental how you could overcome you know, the

710
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 5: pain and just push through it till the end of

711
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: the fight.

712
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: No question.

713
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 3: Listen, you look at the Lall and you look at

714
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: the way he fights. That is a dude is just

715
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: you know, mentally different than other people. And you know,

716
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: we see an other fighters, excellent fighters technically superior to

717
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: guy like.

718
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: The Lall, but they get kicked in the leg and

719
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: now the.

720
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: Fight is essentially over right, and they just don't have

721
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: that mental fortitude to push through.

722
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: But like Ray said, the way you you you deal

723
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: with the cafkick is you move, don't don't get.

724
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: Hit by it, because literally it could take one cafkick

725
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: to change the whole fight, that's how devastating it is.

726
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: You know, on the quad they have a lot more muscle, you.

727
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: Know, and it kind of feels like you got a

728
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: Charlie horse and then you get kicked again and again.

729
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: At least the muscle kind.

730
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: Of you know, can you can kind of dissipate that

731
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: that hemorrhaging or whatever's going on in there. But in

732
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: the cafkick, you get kicked on that peronial nerve and dude,

733
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: you can't step your foot on the ground.

734
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 4: You know. We saw that Henry Shahuda where you know,

735
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: he kept kind of stepping Michael Chandler, we saw that

736
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: out there the organization where he like, you know, stepping

737
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: on his ancle because he could.

738
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: But those guys pushed through somehow, And you know, it's

739
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: the same thing when you see a guy who's hurt,

740
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: who is able to come back or at least fight

741
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: on and other people are just like, yeah, I have

742
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: had enough.

743
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 4: And it really does come down to that mindset.

744
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, you can't hurt what you can hit, right,

745
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 5: So it's the same thing as black right, like you

746
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 5: might have might not have the best chin.

747
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: Guess what, you move your head, that's right.

748
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 5: Since you started getting out of the way, you will

749
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: vat you don't get in on the end of them.

750
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 5: And that's going to be the same thing with this.

751
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 5: Whether you're gonna have to switch up your stands, switch

752
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: up your footwork. That's what we're heading without a doubt.

753
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: This was the most interesting thing to come out of

754
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 4: any of our fighter meetings and can flow I think

755
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 4: you might find this particularly interesting. So Jim Miller didn't

756
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: get a chance to fight Bobby Green this week, right,

757
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: but in our fighter meeting Jim Miller I asked him

758
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: about the calfkick because of poor y A. McGregor and

759
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 4: the success that he had against Dustin in twenty seventeen.

760
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: Jim Miller first went to employ the calf kick in

761
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: twenty twelve when he was preparing for Nathan diez Okay,

762
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: and he used it in that fight, and then he

763
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: was going to use it again in the Joe lo's

764
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: On fight. He used it in the lows On fight

765
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 4: and injured his shin doing it, and the shin injury

766
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: literally stayed with him for three fucking years, right, So

767
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: when you saw him in in fights thereafter, he's like,

768
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 4: the reason I wasn't throwing low leg kicks is because

769
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: when you're throwing it, you're exposing potentially your own knee,

770
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: your own ankle. You're all tose right to suffer any

771
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 4: sort of injuries. So you never know what a fighter

772
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 4: is dealing with going in. But sometimes if you see

773
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: a fighter not employing that weapon offensively, you know there

774
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 4: could be hell to pay on that side too.

775
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 5: Yeah and two yeah, two things to that too, is

776
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 5: that one you mentioned something inspiring. I've seen guys get hurt.

777
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: Insporing with the shin guards on with a leg is right, right,

778
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? And like Jim Miller says,

779
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 5: like everybody thinks, like you know, like tye boxing your guy.

780
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 5: You know, so you you throw kicking the guy checks

781
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 5: he's the guy that's hurting, or you know, everybody's hurting.

782
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 5: Desensitized that shit, and there's still licen the shit after

783
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 5: the fight.

784
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 4: You know, it's not nothing's for free on either side,

785
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 4: right then. I mean, it's like I tell the story.

786
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: When I thought, Josie, I've told this before, but he

787
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: kicked me in the inside of my leg, which you

788
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: know I always thought it wasn't a big deal.

789
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: I lost nerve sensation in my lege for like a year.

790
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 4: It was dead. It's like I had no feeling in

791
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: my leg for like a year. It's just like he

792
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 4: may kicked me like four or five times, but it

793
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: felt you know different. No, it's good. It's crazy.

794
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: Man.

795
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 4: Blall also said in his little scrum there that that

796
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 4: if you take one practice, you know, you can miss

797
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: the next two days of practice. You know, that's the thing.

798
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: So you have to be real careful trying to maximize

799
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: and get all those practices in. All right, nineteen more

800
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: sleeps until Pyodorian versus spilling make you anxious or nervous

801
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 4: for your heart skip a beat when I say that,

802
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: or does it just get you?

803
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 5: Yes?

804
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: Yes, because it makes to me. Talk to me. You

805
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: got a hot microphone, talk.

806
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 5: To me, very excited man. You know, al Joe's in

807
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 5: Vegas now. When he left here, he looked great. I'm

808
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: very happy where he was. I even told him take

809
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: a couple of days off. I think, you know, I

810
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 5: didn't want to peak too soon because when he left here,

811
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 5: he's like, dude, we're ready to go in like ten

812
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 5: days from you, Like that was it. So pull back

813
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 5: a little bit and then just keep that cardio going

814
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: because his mind's in the right spot.

815
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 4: He looks great.

816
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 5: Uh you know, I'll get out there about ten days

817
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 5: before nine days whatever it is, and hopefully he's got

818
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 5: all the guys from the gym with him. He's got Nixic,

819
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 5: you know, looking after him. So I feel good, you know,

820
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: I don't. I just I'm just really excited. And now

821
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 5: Joe's just a unique cat man, I don't you know,

822
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 5: we don't know what he's gonna do, but uh, it's

823
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: going to be a great fight that I can guarantee you.

824
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 4: So interesting. It's so interesting, especially with Corey Sandhagen lurking right,

825
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: because uh, San Egan's a major problem. He really is

826
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: a major problem, so is Pyodian. I'm so excited for

827
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: that fight and the opportunity for al Joe Raymonds. You

828
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: know the betting line as yet, no I would think

829
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: that's got to be pretty close to it is Aljoe

830
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: right now where I place my bets is an even

831
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: money underdog, and uh, that would have Pyodian as a

832
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: slight favorite. So I think that's accurate. Yeah, Ken Flo's

833
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: nodding his head as if to say he might be

834
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: wagering on one side or the other. But you'll have

835
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: to wait until the first week of March to get

836
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: Kem Flo's pick. Here on the Anic and Flooring Podcast,

837
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 4: all right, anything else before we let you go? Anything else?

838
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 4: On the Tip Alexa Grosso, Calvin Gastolon, Ricky Simone, Julian

839
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 4: the Cuban Missile Crisis, Marqueads.

840
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 5: What a come from behind victory. That was another Krause

841
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 5: had so off to James Krause. Man, he got that

842
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 5: guy motivated and he had a job done. The third

843
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 5: I love seeing that shit, man, I really do, because

844
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 5: he was losing that fight and wow, what a victory.

845
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 5: That was really really good stuff. I mean, it was

846
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 5: a lot of good, interesting fights. I thought I liked everything,

847
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: but you know, I just thought of something before I go, Man,

848
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 5: I want to everybody say a prayer for Vinnie Pecora.

849
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: Great friend.

850
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 5: It's Chris Widman's father in lawyer. He was hit by

851
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: a car out in front of the gym. Was an accident,

852
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 5: but he's not doing good. He's in bad shape. So

853
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 5: praise to any big MMA fan. Was a big part

854
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 5: of the gym. Everybody loved him. The guy was a

855
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 5: character man. I just hope he's okay, and we'll know

856
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 5: within the next couple of days. But just keep everybody,

857
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 5: keep Vinnie Pecora in your Heart's one of the good

858
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 5: guys Vietnam.

859
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: Vett did a couple of tours. I think he even

860
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: did a tour so his brother didn't have to go.

861
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: He's that guy, you know what I mean, So tough

862
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: motherfucker man. And I hope he pulls through. Very nice

863
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: to you to shout him out on the way out, Vinnie. Thanks, Ray,

864
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: Hey appreciate it, buddy, and Hey, thanks for the extended

865
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 4: time today.

866
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: Man.

867
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: Hair looks good. I mean, do you really not wash it?

868
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: A one hundred percent? That's true? I mean when I

869
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 4: say that, watch it maybe twice a year? Is that?

870
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: You know?

871
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 4: Right? Maybe this is Kenny. Don't wash your hair, You'll

872
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 4: have it forever. That's the bottom line, that's really, that's

873
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 4: that's what everyone says, it's just hot water. You scrub,

874
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: you scratch your hair and you're good. Right, that's what

875
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 4: That's what everyone says. Not even hot water doesn't even

876
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: get that Touchway's hair. Guys, you guys made my Monday morning. Man,

877
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: this is fun. I will I like this live platform too. No,

878
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: it's fun and it will be even more live next

879
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 4: week rest even more live. Yeah, this is technically live

880
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: to tape. This is technically live to tape. We tape

881
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: it live, but we put it on tape. Next week

882
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: is just gonna be live. So so take our call.

883
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: You ruined my whole day. This was I gotta go.

884
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: I can't take any of the guys have a great thing.

885
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: Way is the right n go minute every week here

886
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: on the anek in Florida Podcast. I find this calf

887
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 4: kick thing fascinating. If you can't tell Ken flow because

888
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: you really the Jim Miller thing, it just struck me.

889
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, this might be a good way to

890
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: attack Nate Theas and then I'll maybe we'll use it

891
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: a little bit against Joe and the next thing you know,

892
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: Jim Miller's literally paying for it for like three years

893
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 4: of his career. You know, it's at the end of

894
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: the day, it's bone on bone contact. That's not good.

895
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: Yes, let me justsh my body into another body, you know,

896
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: like you're doing football.

897
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: There's real percussions for that.

898
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: You're literally smashing your skeleton into another man's skeleton.

899
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 4: I mean, shit's gonna happen. Yeah, got a lot of

900
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: respect for you fighters, A lot of respect for you fighters,

901
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: toughest human beings on the planet. Speaking of which, let

902
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 4: us get to the star of this channel's Remember the

903
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: Show video podcast UFC welterway contender Balamahammed, and we are

904
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: now joined by the man. I wonder if he's had

905
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: any food yet. Hommid with another big win. That's four

906
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: in a row, if you're keeping track at home, eight

907
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 4: of nine in the UFC's welterweight division. It's good to

908
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 4: see you, man. I didn't get to see you after

909
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: the fight in Vegas, but congratulations on a big w man.

910
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: You back home safe, everything good? Yeah, I appreciate it.

911
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: Man.

912
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, back calling back in Chicago. Literally, it's another blizzard

913
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 6: outside right now.

914
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: Like hate him. I'm like, dude, I should have just

915
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: stayed in Vegas extra week.

916
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 6: I was like, I was telling myself I was, and

917
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 6: then I was like, I didn't pull the trigger after

918
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 6: the fight, Like I used to want to go home

919
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 6: see the family and stuff like that.

920
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: But man, looking at the outside right now, like I

921
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 4: gotta go shovel, I'm like to do it. I hate

922
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: my life. Well, I was loving your professional life over

923
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: the weekend, and you know here we couldn't be happier

924
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 4: for you. Obviously. Have you watched back the performance and

925
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 4: if so, what were your thoughts on those fifteen minutes

926
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: with Diego Lega. Yeah, yeah, I'll always back to performance.

927
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 6: A lot of the stuff that I wanted to do

928
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 6: worked out, but you know, there's a lot of openings

929
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 6: that I left that I should have attacked more. I

930
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 6: started after the first run, I stopped attacking the body.

931
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 6: I should have went to the body a lot more.

932
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 6: I feel like in the third run, if I went

933
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 6: to the body more, I could have dropped them and

934
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 6: finished them, I feel like. And then a couple of

935
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 6: takedowns I was going for, uh like, I didn't fully

936
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 6: commit to them. They were just just to do it

937
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 6: to get on something to think about. And then back

938
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 6: to striking. I was getting too comortable.

939
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: Striking.

940
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 6: I got to get to the end the zone of

941
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 6: once I take. If I would to take up down,

942
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 6: I think I would have finished them pretty easily.

943
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 4: So I watched some of the stuff you did media

944
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: wise after the fight, and you were asked about the

945
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: calf kicks, and I guess my question would be how

946
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: much of it is just physical and mental toughness in

947
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 4: the fight? Uh? And how much of it is maybe

948
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: decent genetics, and how much of it was maybe his

949
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 4: inability to hit you right flush on the muscle.

950
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 6: Man, I think a lot of it was just being

951
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 6: like mentally tough. It was one of those where it

952
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 6: was landing, it was hurting, but I was like, it

953
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 6: was more of those just pissing me off.

954
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: And I was like I was.

955
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 6: Like the whole time because I was like, I trained

956
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 6: with a lot of like kids, and I'm answering them, like,

957
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 6: so what's the bet that what's the best way to

958
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 6: check the cat kicking? You know, like obviously you're every

959
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 6: gym is thinking about training and every coach thinks, oh,

960
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 6: you can check it, but it's you really can't check it.

961
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 4: Every single one of the guys best kickbox.

962
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 6: That I know, they're like move out of the way

963
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 6: of it, like avoid it, don't get hit by it,

964
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 6: Like uh, backed out a little bit, shuffled back out.

965
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 6: But for this fight, I was like, I sit there

966
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 6: and I watched a lot of tastes fight week, not

967
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 6: of my opponent, but just a fight fighters.

968
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: That I like.

969
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 6: And then a couple of fights that I was watching

970
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 6: a lot of Cusher fighters. Was chill sonning against Nate

971
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 6: mark Fall. If you guys ever watched that, chill Son

972
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 6: just stayed in his face the whole time, and then

973
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 6: Kabeb against Barbosa, And because Barbosa is a big kick

974
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 6: of you, and I just wanted to see what Kabib

975
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 6: did against Sam.

976
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: He just stayed in his face. So that was my

977
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 4: plan for this fight, just staying in his face, being

978
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 4: within I want to smell his breath. That was my goal.

979
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know with those calf kicks, they were hurting,

980
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 6: but it was like one of those like I'm not

981
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 6: gonna show him at hers.

982
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: I want to stay in his face the whole time.

983
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: I don't really care. Let it hurt. I'll wait till

984
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 4: after the fight. I'm icing right now, so I don't

985
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 4: really care right now. The pain is good right now, Man, cancel,

986
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: I'll send it over to you. But it's kind of

987
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 4: interesting to hear a fighter talking about just watching film

988
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: that isn't related to your fight per se, but that

989
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: could be applicable in your fight. You hear a lot

990
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: of guys talk about film study. You don't hear a

991
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: lot of guys talk about maybe watching a fight of

992
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: a pressure fighter before trying to employ that stuff.

993
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, I think the best martial artists, the

994
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: best fighters, the best athletes are the best watchers are

995
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: the people that are out there looking at what's working,

996
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: what's not.

997
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 4: How can I integrate this? Does it work for me?

998
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: Does it work for my game? Does it work against

999
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: my opponent? So but all that that's great to hear. Man.

1000
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: You know, what are some of your your favorite fighters

1001
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 4: that you like to watch?

1002
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 6: Oh Man, A lot of the fighters that I like

1003
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 6: to watch are based off the fights that I go again,

1004
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 6: So like, I'll look at a couple.

1005
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: Of my opponents and I'd be like, who fights like them?

1006
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: But better than them?

1007
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 6: So my last fight, when I thought Lineman good, I

1008
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 6: know that I didn't want to stay in the pocket

1009
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 6: with them. So, like I watched a lot of the

1010
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 6: beat how he always switch his stances to get you thinking.

1011
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 6: I watched the beat against Calvalcator because Calvicicato is a

1012
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 6: kind of like a line of good where he throws

1013
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 6: bombs at you, and I wanted to see what he

1014
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 6: did against him. A fighter that I love watching now

1015
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 6: is Corey saying, hey, gen Man, the way he moves

1016
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 6: is just a whole different style. And I try to

1017
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 6: implement that in my game where a lot of people

1018
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 6: where I was switching stances a lot, but it wasn't

1019
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 6: because the Catholic.

1020
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: I was just like, I'm trying to put that in

1021
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 4: my game now where it's just like change it up.

1022
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 6: And it surprises you a lot of the time too,

1023
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 6: when the guys switching stances on you and you're like, oh,

1024
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 6: is he southward?

1025
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: Is he not?

1026
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 6: And I'm just trying to get more comfortable doing that,

1027
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 6: and just always evolved in trying to get be a

1028
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 6: different fighter.

1029
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: For my last fight, I definitely saw that this fight around, man,

1030
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: and you've been mister consistency lately as well.

1031
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: Do you see another opponent for it for yourself in

1032
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 4: the future.

1033
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: Is there a guy that you say, like, this is

1034
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: who I want to fight now that you're kind of

1035
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: climbing up the rankings a little bit.

1036
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, honestly, I called out the least, but I

1037
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 6: really had nothing agains him. But like a lot of

1038
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 6: people are telling me, man, you against Maddeney would be great,

1039
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 6: and I'm like, dude's that would be a great fight.

1040
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 6: I think that would be awesome fight. We're both at

1041
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 6: them guys that break guys with Cardio a lot of

1042
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 6: the time, and we both do high volume.

1043
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 4: I think it'll be a fun fight.

1044
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 6: I know he's coming off a loss, but he's still

1045
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 6: ranked number nine right and he has a lot of

1046
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 6: big names on his record, so I think that would

1047
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 6: be an awesome fight for me too.

1048
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: I think that would be a good one.

1049
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 6: And then honestly, like like a fighter that I respect

1050
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 6: a lot of, it would be a great fight, But

1051
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 6: I don't know if like he would want to do it,

1052
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 6: as his last fight is Damian Maya. I always wanted

1053
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 6: to go against the I really haven't gone against a

1054
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 6: grappler at the UFC. A lot of the guys I

1055
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 6: go against the strikers, and I just want to test

1056
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 6: myself against the best, and a lot of people haven't

1057
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 6: seen my grappler and I want to show it.

1058
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 4: So I want to show that I.

1059
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 6: Can compete with the best guys, because you've got Kamara

1060
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 6: usban as the champ right now, and he's mostly know

1061
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 6: in the grappler, even though he got a knockout. But

1062
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 6: competing against a guy like Maya and I prove myself

1063
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 6: against him, it's gonna get me prepared for that title fight.

1064
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: I really thought it was a smart call out the

1065
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: leaks Lee Jinglyng, because when I looked at the rankings

1066
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: this morning, you have to make a realistic call out,

1067
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 4: right See. I think Michael Kiesa, for example, makes a

1068
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: lot of sense, but he's going after Kolbe Covington. He's

1069
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: going after numbers, you know, two and three, And you

1070
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 4: could do that too. I mean, you could have called

1071
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: out Kobe, right, But I think for you maybe one

1072
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 4: win away from getting the top six guy or something.

1073
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 4: The schedule aligns with the leach. You're both on winning streaks.

1074
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 4: So I think when you look at the rankings on

1075
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 4: the surface, people could say, why is thirteen calling out twelve?

1076
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: But it's like, hey man, you got to try to

1077
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: get a fight that's actually bookable. And I think that

1078
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: one isn't three months you know, yeah, exactly that one,

1079
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: and like it makes the most sense.

1080
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 6: They're going to Singapore, and I'm like sitting there looking

1081
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 6: at it, like, uh, I don't want to. I could

1082
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 6: sit there and call out Kobe and make try to

1083
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 6: make us seeing it, try to get you know, views

1084
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 6: from uh the Twitter and.

1085
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 4: Stuff like that, but it's not gonna be like like, oh, call.

1086
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 6: Out Ada, say mid West Gangster against West Coast getting

1087
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 6: and I'm like, dude, like it's not gonna accep my fight,

1088
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 6: like they it ain't gonna happen. So, like like you said,

1089
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 6: when you get that moment like everybody's watching, that's not ESPN,

1090
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: you'll qualify. That makes sense and it doesn't have to

1091
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 6: be like the League.

1092
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna kill you. You yo, Hey you're twelve, I'm thirteen.

1093
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: Let's do it. I absolutely love it. Man. Well, we're

1094
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: so happy for you. I mean, were you feeling the love?

1095
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 4: Were you feeling how many people were able to watch

1096
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: your fight and sort of that prime slot on ESPN?

1097
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 4: Did you feel in love this weekend? Yeah?

1098
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 6: Honestly, you know, like a lot of people were like upsets,

1099
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 6: like oh, all these places getting cast in a pay

1100
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 6: view put me out of pay like I'd rather be

1101
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 6: on ESPN. I was like, there's gonna be a lot

1102
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 6: more eyes on ESPN. And uh it's funny because uh

1103
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 6: Zaan that the singer from One Direction. I didn't even

1104
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 6: know who that was. But backn'a leave. He was like,

1105
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 6: I did an interview with this. She's like, oh, Zane

1106
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 6: tweeted about you, and I'm like, oh no, wait, and

1107
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 6: I'm like yeah, and then like I walked out, like, man,

1108
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 6: who's Dane.

1109
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1110
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 4: I look at my phone and my sister texting like,

1111
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 4: oh my god, Zane Yeah.

1112
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1113
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 6: I was like, it's cool, you know, just having like

1114
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 6: stars like that or other people from different avenues like

1115
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 6: tweeting about you, and it just shows that, you know,

1116
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 6: I'm getting the right at touch.

1117
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 4: Our producer Zach Candido got in my ear. He's like, dude,

1118
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 4: you gotta acknowledge that tweet. I'm like, dude, I don't

1119
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 4: know who that guy is. Man say, but I think

1120
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: they did put the tweet on the air at least,

1121
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 4: so uh hey, I'm not sure if I heard you

1122
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 4: cuss for the first time, but I do know that

1123
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: you absorbed an I poke. That was pretty bad, but

1124
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: thankfully you were able to recover. But one of those

1125
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: seemed to really bother you at least for a while.

1126
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: But then maybe within a minute that got better. Yes, Yeah,

1127
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 4: like literally I had.

1128
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 6: I had like so many people text me the video

1129
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 6: of it, like you, and I was like, because I'm

1130
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 6: never curious at all, And I was like, it was

1131
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 6: just making me mad because like you did it early

1132
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 6: and then like you know, you just see guys like

1133
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 6: Nick Lentz who just retired from it eye poke, and like,

1134
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 6: I'm very big about guys when I trained with them,

1135
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 6: Like if you're if you're one of those guys, put.

1136
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 4: Your fingers out, I'm not gonna drink them. I'm not

1137
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: gonna spar with you.

1138
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 6: I don't want to take a chance of something stupid

1139
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 6: like a big injury or something like that happening, because

1140
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 6: like my eyes, like eyes are very important, you know.

1141
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

1142
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 6: And then like he kept doing it and I was like, bro,

1143
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 6: like it happens again, I'm gonna I'm gonna go nuts.

1144
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 6: And then uh that second time, like it was an eyepoke,

1145
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 6: But then I was like, I know I'm breaking this guy,

1146
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 6: So like I was like, I was still blurry, but

1147
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 6: I'm like, no, I got to get right back into it.

1148
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't.

1149
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 6: Let just gotta catch your break because the first time

1150
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 6: I did it, he did it. I was like checking

1151
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 6: my eye and then like I saw him walking over

1152
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 6: towards corner and like he was talking to his corner

1153
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 6: a little bit. But I'm like, yo, I can't give

1154
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 6: him any time to rest. I haven't met his breaking point.

1155
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 6: This is the third round. I got to get right

1156
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 6: back in there.

1157
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: So I was like, I got one, I got one

1158
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: good eye. Right now, I'm going to go out there

1159
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: and stay in his face again. And how's the eye

1160
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: right now? I mean you look like you don't have

1161
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: much of a scratch on you.

1162
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good. H It think's clean right now.

1163
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 6: My ankle and calf is pretty uh smoller right now.

1164
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 6: But nothing a little snow can't help, all right.

1165
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's right, you got that snow's I guess

1166
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: that's a good way to lean into the positive art.

1167
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: A few rapid fire questions here on the way out

1168
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 4: with the wall member. The name Muhammad. All right, so

1169
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 4: other than yourself, if you had this sort of poll

1170
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 4: question this week, if you had to pick one active

1171
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: welterweight and you can't pick yourself, I mean, obviously you

1172
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: know I'd be sending you in there. If I had

1173
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 4: to save a hamster's life and I had to send

1174
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: one welter right in there to beat Kamara Usman. You

1175
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: know I'm sending the lall remember the name Muhammad. But

1176
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 4: if you had to pick one guy sort of of

1177
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 4: the mix of Kolbe Covington, Leon Edwards, Jorge mos Fadal,

1178
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: Gilbert Burns or Steven wonder Boy Thompson, those are five

1179
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: guys who are maybe most likely to get Usman next.

1180
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: Who do you think has the best chance to actually

1181
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: beat this monster? Honestly, I the most difficult guy I

1182
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 4: think is wonder Boy. You know, his style, uh is

1183
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: just so like it's weird, Like I think you feel like.

1184
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 6: The only way you could beat him is the Woodley

1185
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 6: way where you just wait and it's kind of like

1186
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 6: a boring fight. Or I mean, I know he lost

1187
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 6: to Matt Brown, but I was early, but I think

1188
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 6: that you know, his style is just so difficult to

1189
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 6: fight against it. I feel like everybody else really has

1190
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 6: a style that uh Usbin has seen a little bit more.

1191
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 6: He like he's fought those guys a lot, but he

1192
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 6: really hasn't thought a guy like wonder Boy who's getting.

1193
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: Boxed in his eyes just at another level. I think

1194
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 4: that's the hardest guy. Have you worked out? It's the fight?

1195
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 4: Please tell me you have not worked out.

1196
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 6: I was literally we were in the bag at the

1197
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 6: Apex and I was like, oh, after the plight, we

1198
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 6: had to come back here in the waights just to

1199
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 6: act like.

1200
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: We're working out right away.

1201
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 6: And then but they took a lot like I was

1202
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 6: looking at I want to go get a swimming And

1203
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 6: I told Paul Felder, I'm like my cardio felt on

1204
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 6: another level because usually I was I will always swimming

1205
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 6: for camps, but I was always like swimming in half

1206
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 6: a mile. And then when Paul Felder was on his

1207
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 6: triathonic stuff, I was seeing it post miles. They were

1208
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 6: all on like the same workout thing program where you

1209
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 6: see what the other guy's doing, and I'm like, oh,

1210
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 6: you worked you were you swim miles today? So then

1211
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 6: this whole camp, I'll swim at miles. And then my

1212
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 6: cardio was at another level. I thought it's so good.

1213
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 6: I told man I need to sit up some more.

1214
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: So I don't ask you that question in this context

1215
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 4: of Leon Edwards, but I just think in this COVID

1216
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: nineteen climate, it's very interesting. And if Leon wants to

1217
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 4: stay on that March thirteenth show, I mean, that's undrealistic

1218
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 4: for you, I would think because of the calf, you know,

1219
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 4: But I don't know, man. I just think that I

1220
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: think the leadingly Young fight is so realistic for you.

1221
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 4: But I don't know, man, I just think that you

1222
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: better be careful you don't get a call in a

1223
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: week saying Leon needs somebody with a number on March

1224
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: thirteenth in a main event. I was literally thinking about

1225
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 4: that on two. I like that one too, and I

1226
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 4: like just to have a many best slot, like I

1227
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: say there that I tell people I'm a five.

1228
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 6: Round fighter right well, like you said, I want to

1229
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 6: see how this can works out. Hopefuly it's better for him,

1230
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 6: but like like in shape wise other health wise, like

1231
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 6: I feel like perfect right now and I'm good, and

1232
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 6: I like that matchup. He's been out a while and

1233
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 6: if you really think about it, like he's on a

1234
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 6: big streak, but like he hasn't really beat nobody nuts, like,

1235
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 6: bro man, this guy's a monster. He's killing all these

1236
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 6: guys with the like. It's very winnable fight for me,

1237
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 6: and I like.

1238
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 4: It a lot well. And I think for him if

1239
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 4: you look at the upside, right that you've won four

1240
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 4: in a row for him to be able to add

1241
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 4: a scalp like Balah Muhammad to his resume as he

1242
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 4: builds a championship path. You know. So I don't know,

1243
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 4: just throwing it out there, but uh, of course the

1244
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 4: timing probably doesn't align the way your scheduling the leeches

1245
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 4: will have you booked the guests for Thursdays, remember the show.

1246
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 4: Yet I always just talk to my brother.

1247
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 6: I think gonna have to be a fane. My brother's like,

1248
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 6: what about d C. I was like, yo, I got

1249
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 6: to get in contact.

1250
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: With them first. Yeah.

1251
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I'm gonna do a fanciell just to

1252
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 6: get like the fans more involved in it this week,

1253
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 6: and then next week'll be back on with getting my

1254
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 6: guests going.

1255
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 4: Well. If you ever need help getting in touch with DC,

1256
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 4: I will FaceTime that motherfucker on your behalf anytime you

1257
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 4: need me to, and maybe we'll get you Joe Rogan

1258
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: one day you know I'm gonna get your Joe Rogan.

1259
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: My literal plan was after.

1260
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 6: The post my interview was to tell Joe Rogan my

1261
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 6: call out.

1262
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: For you to call my show joke. I messed up.

1263
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 4: That's hilarious that you were thinking about doing that, because

1264
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 4: that actually might have gotten him on the show if

1265
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 4: you put him on the spot on ESPN in front

1266
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 4: of millions. But we'll see what we can do. Hey,

1267
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 4: it's great to catch up with you. Hey, before I

1268
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 4: let you go, my last rapid fire question, what's your

1269
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 4: favorite sports team? I mean, do you have one of

1270
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 4: these Chicago teams that you root for more than the

1271
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: others or no? I love the Bulls Man basketball my

1272
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 4: first love.

1273
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: I love?

1274
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: I love basketball all right, Chicago Bulls Fan. Hey, can

1275
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 4: ratulations man, We appreciate the time, and h we hope

1276
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 4: you heal up and we look forward to Thursday's episode.

1277
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: Remember the show right here on the Ankan Floring Podcast

1278
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 4: YouTube channel and h hey man, seeing you rock those

1279
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 4: AF letters during your fight week. Uh, we made the

1280
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 4: right choice in terms of you and aligning with you,

1281
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 4: and and again we couldn't be happier for you. So

1282
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 4: enjoy the w man, and we look forward to catching

1283
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 4: up with you soon, sir. There UFC welterweight contender belall

1284
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: remember the name Muhammad. What a good dude. Pretty insightful

1285
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 4: stuff too in terms of that that film study, you know. Uh,

1286
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 4: and it also is very interesting when you think about

1287
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: preparation from one fight to the next. You fight Lineman Good,

1288
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 4: you're trying to avoid the pocket at all costs. You

1289
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 4: fight Diego Lima and literally you're trying to smell his breath.

1290
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: He's a student of the game man, and again you

1291
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: could definitely see that he's a smart guy. He's been

1292
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: preparing well and uh, it's obviously paying off. It really

1293
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: has been mister consistency.

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: Hey, before we get to Ian Paul and the main

1295
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 4: event challenge, we have a couple of minutes here. I

1296
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 4: wanted to shout out Calvin Gastolon because such a big

1297
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 4: pressure spot for him can flow with the back to

1298
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 4: back to back losses, being winless since twenty eighteen, and

1299
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 4: he was so competitive in that fight in a lot

1300
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: of respects with Israel, lot of Sonya not all that

1301
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: long ago, and he felt like he was competing for

1302
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: his job. So I wanted to at least acknowledge KG

1303
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 4: and for Alexa Grosso to perform this way against Macy

1304
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 4: Barber and to bank two rounds like that, I'm just

1305
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 4: so happy for her because she has seemingly done everything

1306
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 4: the right way except for being in the wrong weight

1307
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 4: class maybe for too long, and you know, she can

1308
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 4: lift weights now and I'm just excited to see if

1309
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: she can really take this thing to the next level.

1310
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: I thought Grasso performed beautifully. I think she is a much, much,

1311
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: much improved grappler. You could see that against Macy Barber.

1312
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: Macy just seemed like she was just all over the place.

1313
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: Grosso looked like a true professional out there, and you

1314
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 3: could see the experience advantage and just how.

1315
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: Cleaner technique looked. For Kelvin, that was the most motivated us.

1316
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: Seemed like he had that look in his eyes.

1317
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 3: Which seemed like he really wanted to be there and

1318
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: really wanted to fight, and that was a very motivated Ian.

1319
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: Heinisch by the way as well, and a tough matchup

1320
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 3: stylistically from the outside looking in for Kelvin. But Kelvin

1321
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: did a great job of out wrestling Ian and just

1322
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: winning many of the exchanges. So great job by Kelvin.

1323
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: Good to see a good guy like that back on track.

1324
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 4: And you said on our podcast last week you were

1325
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 4: going to get a real good lens into his future

1326
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 4: in terms of the championship, desire and hunger. I don't

1327
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: know if you watched my media screm in Vegas, but

1328
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 4: of course I was shouting out my man canflor I'm

1329
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 4: the president of Team Florence and Ricky Simon. Is that

1330
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 4: not the most watchable fighter in mix martial arts. It's

1331
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 4: amazing to me that he can sustain offense like this.

1332
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 4: I mean he is the energizer Bunny, I mean, Morob

1333
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 4: Dwallace willly comes to mind, of course, anytime we had

1334
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 4: that conversation, and Brian Kellerher's an offensive in his own right.

1335
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: But dude, really fucking Simon man, It's like I can't

1336
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 4: wait to see him in a five round sitting, you know.

1337
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, he's non stopping, he really is. He's pretty fearless.

1338
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: I mean even the techniques that he throws. It gets

1339
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: a dangerous guy like keller Her. I mean the double

1340
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: up elbow coming forward, you know, looking for He's always

1341
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 3: trying to do something. He's always trying to take it down,

1342
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: throw a different strike that he didn't throw before.

1343
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 4: H He's a tough guy to deal with. Man, it

1344
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 4: was I thought it was a really good performance from him,

1345
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 4: A great card all around. And I don't know if

1346
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 4: you saw Anthony Fluffy Hernandez submitting the seven time Abu

1347
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: Dhabi champion Hudolpho Vida doesn't feel like a submission to me.

1348
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 4: I mean, of course it's the sub over the guy, okay,

1349
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 4: but it's nick martial LARTs. I mean, the dude's bloodied

1350
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 4: and concussed when you submit him. But what a performance,

1351
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 4: What a career changer for Anthony Hernandez.

1352
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: Well, John, I think you nailed it, man. He defeated

1353
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: him mentally first, right, It was like Viera just couldn't

1354
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: get anything going that night. I mean a little bit

1355
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: here and there, but Hernandez was just tagging him, he

1356
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: was beating him up, he was dictating for the most

1357
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: part where the fight went, and he was surviving, you know,

1358
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: all the attacks of Vienna, and I think Vienna just

1359
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: he just lost his mental focus out there and kind

1360
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 3: of just quit on himself a little bit. And it

1361
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: showed that he still has a lot of work to do.

1362
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: He still has, you know, a lot of experience to gain.

1363
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: In regards to the striking, he was just kind of trading.

1364
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: He wasn't trying to set anything up. Even on the grappling.

1365
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: He just looked confused and out of it and tired.

1366
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 4: I was really confused by the performance.

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Speaker 3: Rudolpho is recognized, as you know, by many to be

1368
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: one of the best jiu jitsu practitioners in the last

1369
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: several years as far as you know, you look at

1370
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Speaker 3: his competition record.

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01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 4: And his pedigree. But that night, I mean, he was

1372
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 4: submitted by a guy.

1373
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: That probably didn't deserve to be on the map with him,

1374
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: and it just goes to show you mixed martial arts

1375
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: is a completely different level, right And you know, just

1376
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 3: like Carlson Gracie said back in the day, you know,

1377
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: you hit a black belt a few times and become

1378
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: a brown belt, then become a purple belt, then become

1379
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: a blue belt.

1380
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Speaker 4: And he was he was beating him up, he was

1381
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 4: beating him down his size. Yeah, Anthony Hernandez complete fighter

1382
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 4: comes from a great gym. Shout out to Jim West

1383
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 4: and m m a gold and I'm really excited to

1384
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 4: see him spin it forward because This is a huge

1385
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 4: confidence builder, and he seemed to know that this was

1386
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 4: going to happen. He was talking about the submission. I

1387
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 4: wish he had probably bet on himself at thirty to

1388
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 4: one to beat the guy by submission. But unbelievable. Yeah,

1389
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: it's unbelievable when you sort of dive in when you're

1390
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: preparing for a guy like Adolpho vi eight in terms

1391
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 4: of the jiu jitsu credentials and you know other than that, dude, butcecha,

1392
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 4: I believe he has been Yes, it was close. Of course,

1393
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 4: you have Vienna. You're saying Vienna better than I do though.

1394
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 4: That's perfect? All right? All right, Well that's it on

1395
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 4: UFC two fifty eight. Appreciate the back and forth from

1396
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: everybody on social media. Good stuff from long ago. But

1397
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 4: we got to make some selections because the UFC has

1398
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: a fifteen fighter coming up on Saturday night from the UFCAPEX.

1399
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 4: You can see it live on ESPN Plus. Let us

1400
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 4: get some manivun challenge.

1401
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: It's the main event challenge.

1402
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 4: The time is most definitely.

1403
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: My face, How do you everything poss will to win

1404
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: the Main Event Challenge with John Annick and Kenny Florian podcast.

1405
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 4: All Right, I'm going to update the standings here off

1406
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 4: the top, but I feel like we got to start

1407
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 4: honoring some of these punishments if I'm going to even

1408
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: bother to have our great intern Casey Williams update the standings.

1409
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 4: But ken Fall and Yanni the Greek tied four to four.

1410
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 4: That means Team Florian maintains control of the board, which

1411
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: means Ian Parker will lead on the main event thirteen

1412
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 4: to twelve. Is the lead for Team Florian. We come

1413
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 4: up on UFC Fight Night Blades versus Lewis. This is

1414
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 4: an obnoxious fifteen fighter from the Apex Saturday on ESPN

1415
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 4: plus six main card selections for you today, and the

1416
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 4: duck Ian Parker is here to make them. Ian is

1417
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 4: live on social media. We'll not live, say, but he's

1418
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 4: there at Ian Parker MMA. That's a beautiful filter behind

1419
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 4: you for your backdrop as usual. It's nice to see

1420
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 4: a buddy, nice little kitchen shade. Thank you. Oh is

1421
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 4: that what that is? I always thought it was like

1422
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 4: a special filter because you have this uh a state

1423
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 4: in Florida, and it was like he probably has an

1424
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 4: air conditioning filter that takes up an entire wall.

1425
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 7: So okay, So that's a window. Yeah, I'm in the kitchen.

1426
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 7: Behind me is a is a giant window with a glare.

1427
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 7: So yeah, if I was gonna do a filter, don'ttion that.

1428
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 7: I would have be like more creative, would have put

1429
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 7: a picture of you and Kenny behind me and like

1430
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 7: me like this, like superpose, like I'm actually wanted, you.

1431
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: Know something like that. All right, well, let us make

1432
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 4: some picks, because there are a whole lot of them.

1433
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I put up that fight car last night

1434
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 4: and I was like, Manna, where are we going to

1435
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 4: begin and end this thing? But we're gonna start at heavyweight.

1436
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 4: England's Tom aspinall minus two forty five against the ageless

1437
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 4: andre Orlovski, who is plus two oh five thirty fourth

1438
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: UFC appearance for andre Orlovski, and he's not just trotting

1439
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: out there getting a six figure paycheck. Can flow. He's

1440
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 4: won two straight three or four, Ian Parker, the big

1441
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 4: question for you is any value on the pit bull

1442
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 4: in that plus two hundred range or do you like

1443
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 4: Tom Aspinal.

1444
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 7: I keep picking against Andrea Arlovski and he keeps winning,

1445
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 7: but I just think this one might be a little

1446
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 7: I keep saying the same thingre to me fights a prospect,

1447
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 7: this is gonna be too much for him. I think

1448
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 7: Aspinall is the real deal, especially in this weight class.

1449
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 7: I think the speed is going to be a factor.

1450
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 4: You know.

1451
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 7: Then again, Arlovsky has been fighting really well. But I'm

1452
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 7: gonna go with Aspinall here. I just think too much.

1453
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 7: I think Arlovski is going to see that l.

1454
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 4: Can flow tom Aspinall six and Oho overall, I believe

1455
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 4: two and oh a couple of finishes in the UFC.

1456
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 4: What do you think about him here against Andre Rolovsky?

1457
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 3: You know, to answer your question from a little bit earlier,

1458
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 3: I do think there's value in Arlovsky, you know, based

1459
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 3: on what he's been doing lately. He definitely looks like

1460
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 3: he wants to be there and he's looking to not

1461
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 3: just win, but hurt you. However, I agree with Ian here.

1462
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 3: I think Aspinall is the real deal. He looks like

1463
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 3: a tre this prospect, big guy, but very athletic guy.

1464
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 4: Who can move.

1465
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 3: He could really hurt you on the feet as long

1466
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 3: as he doesn't get stupid and just trades with someone

1467
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: like Arlovsky. He's got He's got to pick his places,

1468
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 3: when to go in, when.

1469
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 4: To get out.

1470
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 3: And he could certainly do that. I do see Aspinal

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Speaker 3: winning that fight all right.

1472
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,479
Speaker 4: Next up in middleweight, This fight was canceled on fight

1473
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 4: day last month on Fight Island due to a non

1474
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 4: COVID related injury involving Phil Hawes. Rebooked here against Nas Sordini.

1475
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 4: Mavov minus one ten on both sides, And what do

1476
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 4: you think about this one? You got a Mavov out

1477
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 4: of France, hasn't lost in almost five years, seems to

1478
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 4: be a pretty well rounded guy. Trains under for Nan Lopez.

1479
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 4: What do you think about him and Phil Hawes minus

1480
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 4: one ten on both sides.

1481
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 7: I think he's a well rounded guy. You know, he's

1482
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 7: shown so far he's legit. I just for me, I

1483
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 7: just feel like there's so much more potential in Phil Hawes.

1484
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 7: I feel like we've seen when we see Phil Hawes,

1485
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 7: like we keep questioning, oh it is the knockout, the

1486
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,479
Speaker 7: real thing, you know, and then then he does it again.

1487
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 7: I just think that Phil Hawes right now is it's

1488
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 7: his time. He's been doing this for a while. We've

1489
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 7: heard a lot of good things about him, and you know,

1490
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 7: for me, right now, I think it's a close fight.

1491
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 7: The odds are exactly where they should be for how

1492
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 7: green they both are in their UFC careers. There's just

1493
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 7: something about Hawes. I think there's an it factor there

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01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 7: that we still haven't seen him peak. And obviously, as

1495
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 7: we talk about what he gets these fast knockouts, it's

1496
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 7: hard to really judge the overall skill, but I think

1497
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 7: we're gonna see that in this one. I don't think

1498
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 7: it's gonna be a fast knockout, so we're gonna get

1499
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 7: a really good picture painted here, and I'm going to

1500
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 7: lean towards Hawes Ken Flow.

1501
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: I'm a little distracted because we have an odds ticker

1502
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 4: now on our show on the video side. If you're

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01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 4: listening exclusively, I apologize, But if you check out the

1504
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 4: YouTube channel for the Anakin Floor and podcast, Cody Merrow

1505
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 4: built a fucking odds ticker for the main event challenge.

1506
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 4: So I'm a little bit excited fucking dancing on video

1507
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 4: right now. Ticker Ken Flow Nasordini MA vall Phil Hawes

1508
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 4: minus won ten both ways? Which way for you? Dude?

1509
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 3: You know, I truly believe that whoever wins, despite that,

1510
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 3: you know, a excellent prospect will emerge.

1511
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 4: I like both of these guys.

1512
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 3: I think Imovov is an excellent striker, the way he moves,

1513
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 3: the way he picks his shots. He's clean, he's smart,

1514
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 3: and I think a little bit more sophisticated striking wise.

1515
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: But Hawes has more power, and I also like the

1516
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: fact that he does have that wrestling.

1517
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 4: Background that he could lean on.

1518
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 3: I do think he needs to use that in his fight.

1519
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 3: If he relies on his wrestling background and uses his

1520
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: striking to more set up his wrestling, I think he

1521
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: can win this fight. I like Hawes here, but I

1522
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 3: tell you what, don't sleep on Imovov. Both these guys

1523
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: are excellent prospects, but.

1524
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 4: I think Hawes is kind of coming into his own now.

1525
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 4: So let's go with Phil. I love saying that name

1526
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 4: Phil Hawes. I mean, imagine if there was a UFC

1527
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 4: fighter with the last name Hass. You know, I loves yeah,

1528
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 4: Tucker Hass or some shit fucking hoss knocking him out

1529
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: all right? Heavyweight big Knife for the heavyweight see and

1530
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 4: Chris dak is favored at a minus one seventy five

1531
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 4: clip to go to three and zero in the UFC.

1532
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 4: He takes on Alexiolinic, who is plus one fifty five

1533
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: Alexeiolinic born nearly one month to the day after our

1534
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: guy can Flow in the year nineteen seventy six, fifty

1535
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 4: nine professional mixed martial arts wins per tapology for alexiolytic

1536
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 4: Ian Parker. What do you think of Lenic plus one

1537
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 4: fifty five Chris Dawkas out of Philadelphia minus won seventy

1538
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 4: five if he have Kenny, you look so much younger

1539
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 4: than Alexiolomic. Don't sweat great better Aroline, better looking. You're good, bro.

1540
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 4: Look this one is a I think this should be

1541
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 4: a lot closer in the odds that it says.

1542
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 7: I know Dawcas has gotten a couple of good wins

1543
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 7: when he was an underdog, I think in both fights.

1544
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 7: But there's something about Alexeomic in these type of situations

1545
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 7: that just makes me want to take a shot on him.

1546
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 7: You know, when we don't expect him to strike, you know,

1547
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 7: he comes forward, throws hooks and and he connects, and

1548
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 7: then if it goes to the ground, you know where

1549
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 7: the advantage is going to be.

1550
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 4: He's still as strong as an ox.

1551
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 7: I think this is an interesting step up in competition

1552
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 7: for Doucas, especially when Olmik was fighting a lot of

1553
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 7: top guys within the last year, like real I don't

1554
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 7: want to say dropping competition, but definitely difference where people

1555
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 7: are in their careers.

1556
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take a shot on the underdog here. I'm

1557
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 4: gonna go to Alexi olmk all right, Ken Fla, what

1558
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 4: do you think Doccas Olenick? You know Olink continues to

1559
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 4: get better.

1560
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: I think he's been in tremendous shape for a little while.

1561
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 4: But I do think that Doccas is the better fighter,

1562
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 4: especially on the feet. Uh.

1563
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: He has a decent background and grappling as well, where

1564
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: I don't think Olenick is just gonna walk through him

1565
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: if the fight goes to the ground either.

1566
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: Uh.

1567
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 4: And Doncas is kind of sneaky athletic.

1568
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 3: You look at him and you're like this guy, I

1569
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: don't know, but he moves extremely well. He's got sharp hands.

1570
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 3: I think he can win this one. He might be

1571
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: able to finish Ellnic as well. Doncas is someone to watch,

1572
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 3: don't sleep on. I like Doncas here, good stuff. I

1573
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 3: don't disagree with a lot of that. I certainly believe

1574
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: Doucas deserves the distinction as the favorite. I know some

1575
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 3: of our listeners uh meately, we're chiming in online saying, man,

1576
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 3: give me that Boa Constrictor at plus one fifty five.

1577
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 4: Right, we'll see I like the dissension, all right. If featherweight,

1578
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: we'll have Ken full lead this one, if you don't

1579
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 4: mind my man, Charles ROAs a minus one seventy Derek

1580
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 4: Minner plus one fifty So little background for you flow.

1581
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 4: It took Derek Minner thirty four pro fights to get

1582
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 4: to the UFC. He gets Grant Dawson in the debut,

1583
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 4: which was probably short notice, but then he upsets TJ.

1584
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 4: Laramie with a great finish in his second UFC appearance. Rosa,

1585
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 4: on the other hand, finally healthy and a good competing schedule.

1586
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 4: He's had a lot of injuries and neck injury, but

1587
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 4: he thought twice last year, what do you think about Rosa?

1588
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 4: Here is the favorite against Derek Minner. You know, I

1589
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 4: love Rosa's fighting spirit.

1590
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 3: He loves to move forward, push the fight on whoever

1591
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 3: he faces. Hasn't found a lot of success lately and

1592
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 3: seems like he's a little bit scrambled.

1593
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 4: As far as you know what he wants to do

1594
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 4: on the ground.

1595
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,440
Speaker 3: He understands that he wants to go for the submission,

1596
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 3: but I think positionally his game has suffered a little bit.

1597
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 3: I think on the ground this should be a pretty

1598
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 3: competitive fight. I think Minner's not bad there either, and

1599
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: also kind of has this very very similar style. Or

1600
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 3: maybe positionally he might not be, you know, at such

1601
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,480
Speaker 3: a high level, but submission wise, he has some great submissions.

1602
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 3: So I do think Derek is probably the better striker,

1603
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 3: moves a little bit better and can post some problems

1604
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 3: there for Rosa, But I don't know, you know, I

1605
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 3: think if Rosa is healthy, he definitely could could win

1606
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 3: the fight and outposition Minner. But these guys are very

1607
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,759
Speaker 3: evenly matchedes a great matchup. I think I'm leaning towards

1608
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 3: Minner here.

1609
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 4: I agree with that, Kenny I and not that I

1610
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 4: agree with the prediction per se, but I agree with

1611
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 4: the analysis and the betting line. So I write down

1612
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 4: what I think the line is going to be before

1613
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 4: this exercise, and I had that as a pick him fight.

1614
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 4: So I can understand why you see value on Derek

1615
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 4: Mitterer at plus one point fifty. Ian will spin it

1616
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 4: to you now. So for Charles Rosa, he's alternated wins

1617
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 4: and losses through a UFC appearances, going for his first

1618
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 4: UFC winning streak here, What do you think about this

1619
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 4: one at one hundred and forty five pounds.

1620
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 7: I think Kenny nailed that. You know, Charles Ross, I

1621
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 7: think is his own worst enemy. I think he's also

1622
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 7: I think he's very confused with his fight style. You

1623
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 7: got a guy who wants to strike, then he gets

1624
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 7: to the ground, and sometimes he just gets way too

1625
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 7: comfortable on his back, and he kind of focuses on

1626
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 7: one submission even if it's failing, almost as if he's

1627
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 7: able to hold the guy down long enough to get

1628
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 7: him tired of trying to land that one submission, and

1629
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 7: in a three round fight, you just don't get enough

1630
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 7: time for that.

1631
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 4: And the guy like Minner, we just saw him go

1632
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 4: against a really strong grappler and a lower me. He

1633
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 4: was a huge underdog.

1634
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,839
Speaker 7: Everyone thought he was going to get you know, destroyed

1635
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 7: or grinded out, and he came out the winner by

1636
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 7: a finish.

1637
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm actually surprised at these odds.

1638
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 7: I think the reason why these odds are the way

1639
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 7: they are is because Rosa is just spot longer than

1640
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 7: the UFC has bought higher level competition. But I think

1641
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 7: the odds are way off year, and I think the

1642
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 7: value is absolutely on Minnor. So I'm gonna side with

1643
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 7: Kenny on this one and take the underdog as well.

1644
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 4: Sounds like he had a confluent podcast. Might move that

1645
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 4: betting number by the end of the week. Maybe not,

1646
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 4: Maybe comain event Kitlyn Vieta minus two sixty versus Yana

1647
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 4: Kunitskaya plus two to twenty, and we'll need the round,

1648
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 4: the method, all that stuff. Kaitlyn Vieta is a very

1649
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 4: good fighter. I watched a little film this morning. I'm lying,

1650
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 4: I didn't do that, but I did do some some research. Ah,

1651
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 4: She's eleven and one though I did watch a tiny bit.

1652
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 4: Then I got distracted. Number six in the world. YadA

1653
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,480
Speaker 4: Kunitzkai is right behind her at number seven. So divisionally,

1654
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 4: I think this is a very relevant fight and I'm

1655
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 4: excited to see them get the Komaine event Sean, because

1656
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 4: if you look at this division, underneath the Manda Nunez,

1657
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 4: aspen Lad and Juliana Peny are on winning streets and

1658
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 4: haven't fought Nunez. Holly Holm and Germaine de random Me

1659
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 4: also on winning streets, but they have fought her, and

1660
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 4: whoever wins this one is going to be someone who

1661
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 4: hasn't fought her and is theoretically in the mix Ian

1662
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 4: Parker Kunitskaya plus two twenty or Vieta minus two sixty three.

1663
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 7: I think the line's a little absurd here. I think

1664
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 7: it's way too distance for the level of these two.

1665
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 7: But I understand kind of why the style of Kunitskaya right.

1666
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 7: She's more of a clinch fighter. She likes to hold

1667
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 7: you against the cage and use her knees and out

1668
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 7: muscle you. And against Kaitlyn, I don't see that really happening.

1669
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 7: She's one of the bigger, stronger girls in the division

1670
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 7: as well. I think we've seen her power in her striking.

1671
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 7: Her jiu jitsu game will be better. But getting Yana

1672
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 7: to the ground is also not that easy in a

1673
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 7: straight bet, it's too much to lay in this fight.

1674
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 7: I would say take the over if the odds aren't

1675
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 7: too much further off on a betting standpoint.

1676
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 4: In a straight pick, though, I think Viera, Kaitlyn and Viea.

1677
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 7: However you pronounce the name, we know I'm so good

1678
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 7: at those, I would lean towards her. She's just got

1679
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 7: more tools in the dulbox. She's got more weapons to

1680
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 7: win this. I think she will have more output with

1681
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 7: her strikes. I think she'll be able to press forward

1682
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 7: a little bit more and as long as she doesn't

1683
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 7: get held against the cage, yeah, I think it's her

1684
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 7: fight to win.

1685
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 4: It seems like Ian, though does like the over two

1686
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 4: and a half rounds are forced to make a bet

1687
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 4: on that fight. And I'll give you props for pronouncing

1688
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 4: Kunitskaya because Ken Fall, a lot of the Americans respect

1689
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 4: to you, but they want to go kunit SKay. Yet

1690
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 4: they always want to go Kunitskaya yanakunitskay a plus two

1691
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 4: twenty huge fight for her. What do you think about

1692
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 4: the komain event? This is a tough matchup for Knitska.

1693
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, she likes to do most

1694
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 4: of her work in the clinch.

1695
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to be able to bully

1696
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 3: someone like Vieia in there. I think she, you know,

1697
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 3: can can hang out there and land some strikes, but

1698
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 3: Vieira is pretty powerful and knows how to grapple as well.

1699
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 4: I like Vieira here. I think she is a little

1700
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 4: bit better everywhere. My main event, Ian, we will lead

1701
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 4: with you. Curtis Blades minus three eighty Derek the Black

1702
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 4: Beast Lewis plus three point fifteen or so. A lot

1703
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 4: of different prices out there, depending on where you're placing

1704
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 4: your wagers. So these guys have combined to win their

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01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 4: last seven lot of momentum on both sides. Blades four

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01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 4: in a row, the Black Beast three in a row.

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01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 4: There was a positive COVID test that took this fight away,

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01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 4: so delayed two and a half months, not November but February.

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01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 4: Huge fight at heavyweight. Ian. Who do you like in

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01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 4: the main event and how how do they get it done? Yeah?

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 4: You know, I like Curtis Blades here.

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01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 7: I hate to think that Derek Lewis at this point

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 7: in his career the takedown defense hasn't gottenny better. It has,

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 7: but we saw in Curtis Blades versus Volkov that he

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01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 7: just doesn't stop and he's got the cardio and him

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 7: to do that are five rounds now.

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01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 4: I don't think Derek Lewis does now.

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01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 7: Derek can land that punch at any moment and person

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 7: dies Like it's just he's got He's got that power.

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 4: There's no question. The dude's got it. His ground game

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 4: getting up from me and taking on way better.

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 7: We've definitely seen him become the best white belt or

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01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 7: whatever he calls himself in Texas. You know, he's definitely

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01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 7: he's definitely worked on his craft. As much as he's

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 7: a jokester and he likes to have on social media,

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01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 7: he takes this seriously. I just think Curtis Blades is

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01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 7: going to be too fast. The more athletic guy, and

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01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 7: with wrestling in your in your back pocket, especially as

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01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 7: a heavyweight, and being able to grapple the way he

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01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 7: is able to grapple for that long while having a

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 7: good striking game.

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01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: I just think Curtis Blades wins this fight. I don't want.

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01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 7: I can't think Derek Lewis is going five rounds again

1734
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 7: unless it's another or Francis. You know, no punching fight,

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01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 7: that's not gonna happen. I think Curtis Blade wins this.

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01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 7: I'm going to say third round TKO.

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 4: Third round TKO for Curtis Blades is the pick to

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01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 4: click for Ian Parker Kenny Curse. Blades gets a lot

1739
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 4: of respect from the odds makers and professional betters right

1740
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 4: because he cashes unless he fights Francis and Gunner. He's

1741
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 4: getting a lot of respect here. Minus three to eighty

1742
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 4: I think is prohibited for a lot of betters like

1743
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 4: me who are betting fifty bucks a game. You know,

1744
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 4: it's a huge price. I don't know if I'm asking

1745
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 4: you if he deserves it or not, but how do

1746
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 4: you see this man event playing out? And ultimately we

1747
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 4: will need a winner, you.

1748
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 3: Know, in general, And maybe I'm biased, but I do

1749
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 3: think this is true that it takes way longer to

1750
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: get good at grappling as far as you know, the

1751
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 3: sensitivity and the timing, all the repetitions and all the

1752
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:50,520
Speaker 3: different positions.

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01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 4: That you need to be able to be good at.

1754
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 4: You know, wrestling and jiu jitsu is.

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01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 3: Always going to take a long time for anybody. So

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 3: I think that's why we're seeing that big disparity. Blades

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 3: has been wrestling a long time. I don't see him

1758
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 3: as a huge submission submission threat necessarily, but I do

1759
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 3: think he could outposition Derek Lewis and then utilize that nasty,

1760
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: grounded pound that he has.

1761
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 4: So that's the way I see it going down.

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01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely, as Ian said, Derek Lewis can end to fight

1763
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 3: in an instant.

1764
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 4: Talk about a guy who is sneaky fast and sneaky athletic.

1765
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: He could surprise a lot of good heavyweights out there.

1766
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 3: I just don't see it happening against someone like Blades.

1767
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 3: I see a second round TKO for mister Blades, all right,

1768
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 3: both guys like the favorite Curtis Razor Blades. On Twitter,

1769
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 3: you can find Ian Parker at Ian Parker m m

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 3: a ip. Before we let you go, our pole question

1771
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 3: for the show today, if you had to pick one

1772
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 3: active welterweight to beat Tamara Ousman to save the Hamster's

1773
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 3: life or otherwise, who has the best chance to do it?

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01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 3: Is it Covington, Is it Leon Edwards, Mosfidal, Gilbert Burns,

1775
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: Stephen Warner, Boy Thompson or somebody else that I am

1776
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 3: not mentioning. If you've got to send one acted guy

1777
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 3: in there to beat Ousman, who do you.

1778
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 7: Like process of elimination? It's not Burns. Leon Edwards haven't

1779
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 7: seen him fight in a really long time. I don't

1780
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 7: know how he bounces back from this layoff. I think

1781
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 7: he's a great fighter. We need to see him fight.

1782
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 7: That's not his fault, just I got to see the

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01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,440
Speaker 7: guy compete. We know Kobe Covington is uber competitive.

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01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 4: We saw that. You know, I don't know if he's

1785
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 4: gotten so better. How do I explain this?

1786
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 7: Is he gotten that much better compared to what Usman's

1787
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 7: done since because what we just saw at Kamara Usman

1788
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 7: was a different level than what he was before that,

1789
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 7: and what we saw Kobe against Woodley was Kolbe being Kobe,

1790
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 7: you know. I know it's kind of weird to like say,

1791
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 7: but the style didn't change much, and I think against

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 7: a Taro.

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 4: Woodley it's at the same Woodley.

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01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 7: We think I'm gonna be a little different here, although

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01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 7: I think covid Tin is the easiest pick to choose

1796
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 7: based on I'm gonna say Stephen wonder Boy Thompson here

1797
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,759
Speaker 7: and this is why he doesn't get knocked out except

1798
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 7: for Anthony Pennison that one shot where he was dominating.

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01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 4: I think his style is.

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 7: The one that can keep the distance, use that range

1801
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 7: and be a very bizarre striker for Usman. You know,

1802
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 7: he's also very hard to take to get taken down.

1803
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 7: And you know, for me, it's just styles make fights,

1804
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 7: you know, and I think for everyone it's the same thing.

1805
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 7: And I think his style also he has not thought

1806
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 7: Usman yet.

1807
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 4: Well right, and that's an intriguing part of the whole equation.

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01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 4: You know, do I do I think he's the best wrestler.

1809
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 4: Do I think Cardio?

1810
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 7: I mean, listen, Cardio, He's phenomenalous, have the same output

1811
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 7: as Kobe Covington. No, but we saw Usman get pressured

1812
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 7: very hardcore by Gilbert Burns that was similar to what

1813
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 7: Kobe Covington does and Usman took a shot, fell, got up, handler,

1814
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 7: came back and finished the fight as if nothing happened.

1815
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 7: He made the adjustments. I just think this different of

1816
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 7: a style and not being taken down so easily. I

1817
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 7: think wonder Boy can cause some problems.

1818
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 4: And again Ken Flow, Bala, Muhammad ray Longo and Ian Parker,

1819
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 4: all Hamster lovers, and all of them looking long and

1820
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 4: hard at Stephen wonder Boy Thompson to be the guy

1821
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 4: best equipped right now. Skill was to be kamorro Usman

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01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 4: more or less. I mean, I think there was some

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01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 4: Covington love in there as well, but very interesting stuff already,

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01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 4: and good, good stuff. We'll talk to you next Monday,

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01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 4: if not sooner, be a text, buddy, Thanks for the

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Speaker 4: time you got it, guys. All right, that's it for

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Speaker 4: the main event challenge this weekend. That's going to do

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Speaker 4: it for the program coming to you from this stream

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Speaker 4: it all together. Our guests, Longo Parker and of course

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