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Speaker 1: the video you see right here. Kyle Mill's author of

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Speaker 1: Um So to give some background on on Kyle and

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Speaker 1: But Kyle is the author of Red War, the Mitch

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Speaker 1: period full stop. So anytime you deal with them and

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00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: you think, hey, we have you know, in this case,

430
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: maybe we have a mutual you know goal like checking

431
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: it say, checking and terrorism, right, nobody wants that. They

432
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: say they aren't really working with you. They they're trying

433
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: to get something from you. The other kind of interrogating

434
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: you and trying to get you to reveal things and

435
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: all this. But that's the goal. You can't be friends

436
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: with them because it's in their best interest, certainly in

437
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin's best interest to keep us as an enemy

438
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: because it's it's good for his His bass likes it

439
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: and he can play it up. It's sort of the

440
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: a role that the Merry has taken on places like

441
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: a Ran and stuff, where we're just like if something

442
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: goes wrong in your country, Venezuela being a for example,

443
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: you know, blame it on the Americans. It wasn't our

444
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: incompetence none. The Americans sabotage to our economy or blew

445
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: something up or whatever. I remember just after the election

446
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk about UM, the incoming

447
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: Trump administration wanting the word with Russia and cooperate with

448
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: Russia and have a closer relationship UM, which you know,

449
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: of course didn't really happen so much in the end,

450
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: but UM. I remember talking to a friend of mine

451
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: who was a c I, a case officer, and he

452
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: was like, listen, the American president can order the CIA

453
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: to work with Russia, and the Russian president can order

454
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: the FSB to work with the CIA, and it's still

455
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: not gonna happen because these institutions have just spent too

456
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: long at each other's throats and they've just been sitting

457
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: in the same cafes in you know, Rome or Barcelona

458
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: or you know Algiers wherever it is just mean mug

459
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: in the hell out of each other. That there's there's

460
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: just no way that these organizations can cooperate. No, And

461
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: it's every it's like every um administration does this. Remember,

462
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, under the Obama administration to actually had Hillary

463
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: Clinton with the reset buttons, we were going to reset

464
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: are and and I think every American president prices there's

465
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: really nowhere on paper, there's no real reason for us

466
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: to be enemy. Is here I mean, we have roughly

467
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: the same goals, and but it's just not gonna work.

468
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: The whole point is that where I mean, they use

469
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: that as propaganda, They use it as an excuse, and

470
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: it's somebody to get their base pumped up about. So, um,

471
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you're wasting your time. I think about

472
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: what this president. I'd come up and say, I'm my

473
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: goal is to make our relationship with the Russia worst,

474
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: because you might as well. I mean, it's it's not

475
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: going to get better. You have to see them as

476
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: an opponent, even if there's no particular you can't really

477
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: figure out what you're fighting about, but you're going to fight. Yeah,

478
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you have to come to an

479
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: understanding that it's a it's a transactional relationship at best.

480
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: And um, you know, any notion that you're gonna be

481
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Speaker 1: able to reset, uh, you know, relations with Russia and

482
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: think that they're going to just ignore the long history

483
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: between our two countries is unrealistic. I think that's exactly

484
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: the best description of it. It's transactional. If if something happens,

485
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: that is absolutely one thing, and it's in our best interests,

486
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: both our best interests to fix it. We could probably

487
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: get together and fix it and while probably stabbing each

488
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: other into act the whole time, and then at the

489
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: end of that transaction, we're gonna go right back to

490
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: the way we were. I'm wondering, was there a pivotal,

491
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: pivotal moment with all of the focus on Russia with

492
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: Crimea and stuff like that, that you said, you know what,

493
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: I want this next Mitch rap novel, Red War to

494
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: focus on Russia. What what particular point made you decide

495
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: on that. It's you know, it's for me, it's my

496
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: whole history. Um. I loved the cold Ware thrillers, and

497
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: I have to say huge disappointment of mine that the

498
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Soviet Union fell right before I became a thriller writer,

499
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: because I just loved like the Tom Clancy and for

500
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: Ludlum and look care, I just love the whole game

501
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: between two major powers and the very sophisticated opponent and

502
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: terrorism is is really scary and it's really interesting to

503
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: write about. But it's a completely different type of story,

504
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's the thing that makes it dangerous

505
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: is that it's low tech and that, um, there's no

506
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: real game going on. So when Russia started to rise again.

507
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: I have to say I I secretly felt a little

508
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: giddy and I thought, oh, I get it right. I'm

509
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: gonna get a right of thriller finally about Russia. Yeah,

510
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely something um much more frightening about

511
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: squaring off with you know, trained intelligence professionals or the

512
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: assets that they were running during the Cold War, and

513
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: that that that environment was so complicated and so difficult

514
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: to work in. Like if you go back and do

515
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: some research on like when we used to when we

516
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: started dealing with terrorism in a more earnest way in

517
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties or nine seventies, you would have of

518
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: the KGB watching us the entire time, following our our

519
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: carriers around. I'm referencing the Operation Eagle Claw UM where

520
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: we we went to Iran in to rescue American hostages

521
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: held in Iraq, and we we I mean we have

522
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: we were having our special operations people followed around. They

523
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: were driving trucks, empty trucks around Fort Bragg to make

524
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: it look like Delta Force was still there because we

525
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: knew that they were. The base was being watched and

526
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: the unit was being watched by the Russians. And that

527
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: is just Al Qaeda could never ever do anything like

528
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: that now, And you know, the opponents were different. So

529
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: I created and I did this about I think two

530
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: books ago. I created a Russian opponent for Mitch Rapp

531
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: who was almost as equal, you know, which is not

532
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: really probably gonna happen, you know, out of the any

533
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Arab for Middle Eastern Force, because a guy who had

534
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: gone into spec ops in Russia after getting kind of

535
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: washing out of buy A Falon the Olympic training camp there,

536
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: and you know, he was a serious operator, and Mitch

537
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: had never really faced anybody like that. You know, Mitch

538
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: was always heading shoulders above his opponent, and I thought

539
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: it would be really interesting to see how he reacts

540
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: to somebody who you know, the difference between them is

541
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: kind of inches. That's interesting. So the book Read War

542
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: is out now right, okay, and the and the audio

543
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: book as well. Awesome. So keep talking at all about

544
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: any future plans for for the series. Yeah, you know,

545
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: the next one is I'm about halfway done with it,

546
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go back to a much more

547
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: of a classic sort of Vince flynn um structure. This

548
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: one was really grand in scope, I mean you've got

549
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: naval wars going on and things like that, so a

550
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: little different than you know, maybe the traditional rap book.

551
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: So the next one, I thought, you know, what, what

552
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: is this going to be about? And I thought, I

553
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to be about mitt rap kicking ass.

554
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: My general idea is that's what it's going to be about,

555
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: mittrap kicking ass. The the pace at which you end

556
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Vince Flynn wrote these books is just incredible looking at it,

557
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: because the fact that the series started in two thousand

558
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: ten and we're seventeen books deep. I mean, no, no,

559
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: it started before that. It was two thousand times when

560
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: American Assassin came out, which is the first book in

561
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: the series chronologically, but not the first book in the

562
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: series written. Gotch So then when when we're the books

563
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: written first, um man, I'm trying to say, it's funny.

564
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: He and I started at the exact same time, and

565
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: I can't think when that was. Would have been mid nineties, Okay, early,

566
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: all right, because I just saw American Assassin released and

567
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, the pace at which these books are

568
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: coming out. But I mean it still is a fast

569
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: paced the fact that this book just came out less

570
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: in a month ago and you're already working on the

571
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: next one. It's it's a lot of work. Writing is

572
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: basically like standing on a treadmill that never turns off. Yeah,

573
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: you do. You you know. The only time off I

574
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: have is when I turn a book into the to

575
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: my editor, Vince's editor, and I hope she always hoped

576
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: secretly she's on vacation or really busy and she's not

577
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: going to get back to me, because you know, I

578
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: don't the book's done and I don't really think about

579
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: the next real to do. But once the editorial is done,

580
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, I take the weekend off and the next

581
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: book starts. So every you know, once a year, um,

582
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: every every April, it has to go in. You guys

583
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: are a machine. I mean I was putting out a novel.

584
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Uh let's see, like once every two years, um. And

585
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: it's been actually been three years now because I took

586
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: time to work on my memoir instead of the next novel.

587
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: So now that that's wrapped up, I'm having to go

588
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: back to the half finished novel and reread it to

589
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: see what the hell I actually wrote, and pick it

590
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: up again. And that's one of the benefits to doing

591
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: it fast is you don't have that issue of I

592
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: forgot where I was going with this, I hope usually

593
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: what's the writing process for you, by the way, do

594
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: you write these at your home where you're with us

595
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: right now, or do you go somewhere remote to do it?

596
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: You know, wherever I had when I was younger and

597
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: I just starting out. You know, I think everybody tries

598
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: to find their process what works for them, and so

599
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: I had all kinds of schemes, and I had this

600
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: nice office with a nice view and everything. And what

601
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I realized was, once I started writing, I couldn't see

602
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: any of it anyway. So I sort of got pushed

603
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: down to the basement. And um, I'm afraid my wife's

604
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: next step is to get me out into the garage.

605
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: But truth be told, it wouldn't make any difference. So um, yeah,

606
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: I do. I just I have a laptop wherever I am,

607
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: I work, and uh, I write really huge outlines and

608
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: then I've kind of probably right a little. Well, I'm

609
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: probably a little strange the way I write, but I

610
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: write really elaborate outlines, and then once the outline is done, um,

611
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't write the book in order. So I just

612
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: pick a chapter I feel like writing, so I might

613
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: start on chapter fifty and then just kind of put

614
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: it all together, and then the second time through. The

615
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: second time through, I do it in order to make

616
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: sure you know, it makes sense. But that works for me.

617
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it worked forever anybody else. But yeah,

618
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: I could never do that. That's like Leonardo da Vinci

619
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: level type thriller writing. I would go nuts. Well, keep

620
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: it in mind, though, I do have the really elaborate outline,

621
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: so you know, I have that chapter outlined and so

622
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: I know where I'm going. Then if I go somewhere

623
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: on a tangent, I put a note in there and

624
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: to remind myself that I did. Are you one of

625
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: those guys? Then that you're your outline? It's almost like

626
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: a novella in of itself. Yeah, I mean, probably the

627
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: worst of the bunch. I think somebody once told me

628
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: Michael Palmer writes longer outlines than I do, but I've

629
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: never asked him. But yeah, so my my outline for

630
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: this book, so my book will probably come in around

631
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand words, and my outlines for words, so

632
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: the whole frame is there. Yeah, I mean it's It's

633
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: a little like remember high school. You know, you just

634
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: try to pat out every word into two words to

635
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: make it long enough. And that's kind of my writing process,

636
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: because the whole story is there, you know, a lot

637
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: of the dialogue, the characters, the description, the research, it's

638
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: all in my outline, and I just have to make it,

639
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, fun to read. I just have to turn

640
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: it into something that's read as opposed to a list

641
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: of facts. Do you do any world travel in order

642
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Speaker 1: to get yourself acclimated with, you know, these cultures that

643
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: a character like Mitch is going to be embedded in. Yeah,

644
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot. I've lived in. I hate writing about places

645
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: that I haven't been. So I've lived in Turkey, um, Morocco.

646
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: I live in Spain. Actually, now that we're talking to

647
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: you from Spain, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's like night

648
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: for me. Um. But yeah, so um yeah, I've lived

649
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: all over the world. Lived in London, um, and so

650
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: all those places, um, I can kind of draw on. No,

651
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: I've definitely discovered that there's a drawback to that too,

652
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: and that you trust your memory and then so if

653
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: I ever make a mistake about a place, it's inevitably

654
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: a place that I've lived and not a place that

655
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: I really sat down to research because I think, oh no,

656
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: I definitely remember that's the way it was. And uh

657
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: that I get beat up really bad. That's cool. Well,

658
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I I know a lot of our audience is gonna

659
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: be excited to read Write War. I had no idea

660
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: that we're talking to you from Spain. That's really cool.

661
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: I thought you were still here in the States. Um,

662
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: and you eyes could follow Kyle online Kyle Mills dot

663
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: com at Kyle Mills Author, on Twitter and Instagram. As

664
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: I said, Red War is available now. That's the book.

665
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: People can see it on the video if they're watching

666
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: the YouTube. UM available now also as an audio book.

667
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: Anything else that you're working on that that you want

668
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: to let the audience know about before we wrap this up. No,

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00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: that's about it. I have one that I've been working

670
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: on for ten years. I have ten pages, so I

671
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: keep telling people in four years it will be done. Um.

672
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, so but yeah, you can find the book anywhere. Actually,

673
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: we've been really lucky. The fans have been great. The

674
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: book debuted at number one on the New York Times

675
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: list and uh, it's hanging in there at number two

676
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: next week. So um, I appreciate all the fans running

677
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: out and buying it and all the great feedback I've

678
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: gotten from so uh, if anybody wants to talk about

679
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: the book, my websites Kyle Mills dot com and uh,

680
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: I got an email address on there and a right,

681
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: I answered all my emails, So shooting me your thoughts excellent.

682
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time to do

683
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: this skyle, and hopefully, uh, a lot of people in

684
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: our audience are going to pick up the book. I'm

685
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: sure they will. Yeah, I hope they have fun with it. Yeah,

686
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. We'll have to have you on

687
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 1: again when the next one comes out. Rap kicking ass Yeah, yeah, yeah,

688
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: that's the whole story. And this will be up tomorrow

689
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: and I'll send you over all the info we have

690
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: it up. Okay, sounds good, shoot it out as well.

691
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. All right, thanks guys, are shoot it

692
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: all right? Have a nice night. That went well? Man. Uh,

693
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, I had no idea that he was over

694
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: in Spain, so people might notice on the on the

695
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: stream a little bit out of sync with the audio

696
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: and the video and a few connection issues, but overall

697
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: we made it work. And uh, interesting guy, man. I

698
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: think interesting background of his father and his world travel

699
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: and and I think a huge responsibility on your shoulders.

700
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably a nice pay day to have

701
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: to take over for someone like Vince Flynn, but it's

702
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: also just this huge responsibility of you know, you have

703
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: this this reader base that's gonna say. I would think

704
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: he's not the same as Vince Flynn. I can't read

705
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: his work, you know, and you have to keep up,

706
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: as he said, originally like a forgery, to make sure

707
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: this is what his audience is gonna love. Yeah. I

708
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: imagine the trick to that is to try to be

709
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: faithful to the tone and the character, rather than try

710
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: to write word for word what you think Vince Flynn

711
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: would have written, you know, if he had if he

712
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: had still been alive. Um. But yeah, now that that

713
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: is a lot of that's a challenge to take up.

714
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do it. Yeah, yeah,

715
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: I can only imagine. I think writing in itself, writing

716
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: a book is extremely hard. I would think it's not

717
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: something else ever done, like trying to write like a

718
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: Tolkien novel, like here's the sequel to the Lord of

719
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: the rings like, yeah, I don't I think people are

720
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna buy it. Jack. Well, the only experience I could

721
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: say that you have I have none would be, you know,

722
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: even though we don't know if this thing is ever

723
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: going to see the light of day, hopefully, but you

724
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: helped to write Jim West's book, his memoir, and it's

725
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: got to be hard to write from someone else's tone,

726
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: and you're you know, and I should point out Jim

727
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: as a writer as well, but you were instrumental in

728
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: in what will hopefully see the light of day one.

729
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you gotta push Jim

730
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: to to actually do something with it. I wrote like

731
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: forty forty five thousand words of the book and gave

732
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: it to Jim, and I was like, look, you gotta

733
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: you gotta finish it to your story, you know. Um,

734
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: But that was that's incredibly difficult, And honestly, I would

735
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: not do it again if someone asked me to. I

736
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: have been asked on a few occasions if I'd want

737
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: to like ghost write someone else's book, and I've always

738
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: turned it down. I did it for Jim just because

739
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: he's a close friend of mine. Um, is it just

740
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: that much harder to write from. You know, Jim is

741
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: a very distinct tone and it's nothing like yours, right,

742
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: and writing from that tone, it's just I can only

743
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: speak for myself. I mean, like, uh, like Kyle was saying,

744
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: everyone has their own process that they that they use

745
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: when they write, and just for me personally, like to

746
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: try to put myself in someone else's mind and right

747
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: in their voice is just incredibly difficult. It's it's it's

748
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: more like being an actor than being a writer almost,

749
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: and that's only like comparison. I can think, well, and

750
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm not an actor. I don't I don't have I

751
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: don't have those abilities. So um for me to like

752
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: sit down and write my own novel or um even

753
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: right my my memoir which is course of course in

754
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: my voice, but it's still difficult to write because you're

755
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: writing about yourself. Um, But to write something like that,

756
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: or to write a novel, um, just sit down and

757
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: write my own voice, it really isn't that big of

758
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: a deal. But to try to imagine myself in someone

759
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: else's shoes and right from that perspective, Um, well I

760
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: should say, not a fictional character, but from an actual

761
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: real person who I know that's really difficult. Yeah, the

762
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: comparison I could draw that I did during the interview

763
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: is just Anthony Boz who has become a friend of mine,

764
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: and him writing already Lang's book in particular, I've written,

765
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: I've read several of his books, but Artie Lange is

766
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: a guy that if you listen to Howard Stern show,

767
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: it's like you know this guy's tone to a science

768
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: because you listen to him every day in the show,

769
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: And if you read that book, it is completely an

770
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: already Lang's voice. And he has said himself he's written

771
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: three books at this point for him, but he's already

772
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: has set himself during interviews it's not my book, it's

773
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: my stories, but it's Anthony's book. And I think that

774
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: really is a real skill. Yeah. Yeah, Anthony must be

775
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: like a serious talent that he's able to go and

776
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: meet with people like that and observe them and see

777
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: how they talk and what their tone is and their

778
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: little idiosyncrasies and then translate that into a book. That's

779
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: a that is a real skill. Yeah, And I mean

780
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: I would think that's why not only has he done

781
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: his book like Slash, Tommy Lee, Tracy Morgan Derek Jeter.

782
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: That's why they come to him. Yeah, and uh, great

783
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: guy by the way. I'd love to have him on

784
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: at some point, even though it's you know, not military related,

785
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: but just interesting dude. I bet he's got tons of

786
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: interesting stories. Yeah he does. He does. Um. So, wrapping

787
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: things up here into some other things, Um, you know,

788
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: post interview that I wanted to mention, I saw a

789
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: lot of kind of inner drama going on with the

790
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: Green Beret Foundation, which several women who worked there were

791
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: very critical of soft rep right, I mean, and now

792
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: they've been uh well, depending on who you talked to,

793
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: they resigned or were fired, or they resigned just before

794
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: they were fired. Um. But yeah, I mean, I don't know.

795
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: I guess some of them feel that I'm like the

796
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: devil incarnate. I don't know. But um, I thought about

797
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: writing an article about what was going on with the

798
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Green Beret Foundation. I kind of decided not to because

799
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: it seems like it's high drama and low substance. Um.

800
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: But now it's come out in the media and there's

801
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: a there's a news story a reporter wrote about what

802
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: was going on. Continued to go on there, and I'm

803
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: not gonna like weigh in on it with my like

804
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: thoughts or opinion. Well, I'm not going to give opinion,

805
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: but I'll just say it's, uh, it's kind of sad

806
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: to see the Green Beret Foundation sort of like imploding

807
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: like this and all this like inner relational drama, you know,

808
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: high school musical type bullshit. Um, whoever is right and

809
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: whoever is wrong? I don't know. I don't have the facts. Um,

810
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to weigh in, just say it's

811
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: sad to see that happen because I know that that

812
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: organization has done some good work over the years. Um,

813
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: so hopefully they get things straightened out. But it sounds

814
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: like now there's a lawsuit going on and it's gonna

815
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: be a mess. I'm sure. Yeah. Do you think I mean,

816
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: as you said, you don't have all the facts, so

817
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: maybe it would just be speculating. But do you think

818
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: it's just people within that organization? Do you think the

819
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: organization is still like a good foundation doing things for

820
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, post service Green Berets or I don't know.

821
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't speak to that. I mean, I've I'm sure

822
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: that somewhere in the organization there are good people, right,

823
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's not. It's not an evil organization by

824
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: any means. It's not. It's not an Eizam Heill Cobra. No,

825
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: it's not like that. Um maybe maybe there's just some

826
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: a few bad actors or something like that. I really

827
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: don't know. But I do think that the organization has

828
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: good people in it and that they've done good work,

829
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully they can continue to go and do some

830
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: good work. Um. And there are organizations we we know

831
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: for a fact to do great work, like downt for you. Yeah, absolutely,

832
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: you know. And sometimes they get involved in or somebody

833
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: in the organization gets involved in some drama. But that

834
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that everyone working there is a bad person

835
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. UM. So I just

836
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: hope they can't get things back on track and um,

837
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, continue to serve you know, some guys out

838
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: there who need help. And then also, you have a

839
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: study coming up on politics in America hidden No, no no, no,

840
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: it's not my study. I Hey, I'm gonna tell the

841
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: audience that basically, two minutes before record of this interview,

842
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jack, what are you working? I said, I wrote,

843
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: I wrote an article about this out of study, I

844
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: scribbled this on a page, So forgive it's. You know,

845
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: it's a very interesting study called Hidden Tribes. You can

846
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: go out there and find it. Um. It's it's in

847
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: a study that was done um by interviewing people, um,

848
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, getting a good sample size and interviewing Americans

849
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: about their political beliefs, and it starts to kind of

850
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 1: categorize them and show how they feel and what they think.

851
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: And there's a number of really interesting conclusions in there.

852
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: They conclude that most Americans fall into a group that

853
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: they call the exhausted majority. There are people who are

854
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: just kind of burned out with the political extremism and

855
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: partisan nonsense out there. Um. The two extremes being they

856
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: sort them in the study into what they call progressive

857
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: activists and devoted conservatives. So if we were to put

858
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: a caricature on it, this would be like, uh, you know,

859
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: the woke uh you know, progressive liberal, um activist personality,

860
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, the person who is uh, you know, the

861
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: triggered liberal crying because Donald Trump got elected and every

862
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: every day is day to day crisis. The other extreme,

863
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: that what they call the devoted conservative, would be you know,

864
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: the the Again, it's a caricature. But these two personalities

865
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: are caricatures that actually exist. Um. This one would be

866
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, the middle aged, overweight white guy wearing the

867
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: mega hat who is you know, fairly racist and is

868
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: definitely afraid of anything changing in America. Uh. Those are

869
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: both relatively small populations. As the study finds out, there

870
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: are small groups of people, small but vocal, Small but vocal,

871
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: and they are able to kind of dominate, um, much

872
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: of the political conversation in this country, to the detriment

873
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: of the exhausted majority. Yeah, at which I get because

874
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: myself included, we kind of check out, I think when

875
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: when we see that's that's what they say in the

876
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: study is that people, um, they're jaded, um, and they

877
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: just kind of like loss over. They're they're exhausted by it.

878
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the Brent Kavanaugh thing.

879
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: My timeline and I really would say about fifty percent

880
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: of my friends are liberal living in New York City,

881
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: about fifty percent of my friends are people in this community,

882
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: like listen to this podcast stuff like that, more conservative,

883
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: and it's split between people who think like Brett Kavanaugh

884
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: is you know a total is a rapist. You know,

885
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: even there's no solid evidence. And then the people who

886
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: are literally like I'm having a beer because Brent Kavanaugh

887
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: is the new Supreme Court jump. It's like there's no

888
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: middle ground, no, no. And the scary thing is it's

889
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: the politics of what you choose to believe. Because if

890
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: you're a Republican then or you're a conservative, then Kavanaugh

891
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: is innocent, and if you're a Liberal or Democrat, then

892
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh is guilty. And the reality is, none of these

893
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: people have a fucking clue whether he's innocent or guilty.

894
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah, I think it was nicol Espie

895
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: from Reason. I saw that he wrote something that was like,

896
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: could I think that he was innocent and still think

897
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: he's seems like a fred Boy douche BG. I'm in that. Yeah,

898
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: well you know what I'm I'm of the category when

899
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: it comes to a woman, Dr Ford kind of the

900
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: same thing I felt about that girl at Columbia, the

901
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: mattress girl, Emma Solkowitz. Um. I believe that they were

902
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted at some point in live. It's just a

903
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: question of did it really go down the way they

904
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: say it went down? You know? What was was that

905
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: that mattress girl Columbia really raped by another Columbia student

906
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: the way that she described it doesn't look like it.

907
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the guy has been completely exonerated

908
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: at this point. But do I believe that she was

909
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted sometime in her life prior to that? I

910
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: think I think it's quite possible. You know, um, what

911
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: happened to Dr Ford? I mean, was she sexually assaulted

912
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: some at some point in her life? I mean quite possibly?

913
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: But did it go down exact with the way she

914
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: remembers it? Was it this guy caving holl Was he

915
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: really the one that did it? I mean, any anybody

916
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: who talks to, say a police detective or a public

917
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: prosecutor who has dealt with rape cases and child abuse,

918
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: human trafficking, any of these sorts of things can tell

919
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: you that it's just so much more complicated than fucking

920
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: throwing on like a me too hashtag. I mean, we're

921
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: trying to get down to facts and uh prove these

922
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: things and get a jury to convict. It is fucking difficult.

923
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: And these stories, um, of what happens to people, I

924
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: mean they they sometimes some cases are black and white, sure,

925
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: And I mean we're all glad when we can get

926
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: a slam dunk in the court system and put some

927
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: really bad people in prison, but so many of them

928
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: are just shades of gray, you know. And I don't

929
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: know if you've seen the people on you know, and

930
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: they're totally the people that you're talking about in this

931
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: study far left. You know, people on Twitter I have

932
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: seen mainly female I believe women, and but also there's

933
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: been women flat outside and they're prominent women, they're like

934
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: verified on Twitter. They're not these aren't magazine editors and

935
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: saying flat out, I don't really care if men get

936
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: falsely accused of stuff and it ruins their life. Like

937
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: the bigger picture is believing all women. And it's like

938
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: that's a crazy thing to say, and they act like

939
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: this is a minor, minor issue. But you know, I

940
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: can tell you one of the um you know, Duke

941
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: lacrosse players I went to elementary school with in middle school,

942
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it was pretty crazy seeing this guy's

943
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: face on magazine and newspaper covers and turned out, if

944
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: you watch the thirty for thirty documentary on ESPN, he

945
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: wasn't even there at the time. He was like at

946
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: an a t M machine completely exonerated. I mean sometimes

947
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: women lie. I mean people lie. And it's interesting because I, uh, well,

948
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: I got called up to jury duty and I was

949
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: interested to see how that was going to pan out

950
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: if they actually called me into the room and asked

951
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: me questions. Because I a friend of mine, they put

952
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: him up on the stand and they asked him, Um,

953
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: do you think police officers tell the truth when they're

954
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: under oath? And my I mean my answer would be, well,

955
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: police officers are human beings and they lie. I mean,

956
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: do I think police officers lie under oath? Yeah? Every day.

957
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: And so I mean women are also human beings, and

958
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: I think human beings lie all the freaking time. So

959
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't just make a blanket statement like

960
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: I believe women or I believe men or whatever. I mean,

961
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: people are fucked up. Absolutely. There's even circumstances I could

962
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: tell you that, Um, you know, I'm not going to

963
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: go into detail on this one, but if you look

964
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: up registered sex offenders in my area, I've seen people

965
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: I went to high school with, and um, you know

966
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: one of them for there's actually several, but one of

967
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: them I remember in particular is a you know, black

968
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: guy that I went to school with, and I've talked

969
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: to other people in you know, his neighborhood about what

970
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: went down, and from what I've heard, you know, it

971
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: was honestly a case of if if you believe these people.

972
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: I don't know the full story, but like, as a

973
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: white girl daughter of a police officer doing something with

974
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: a group of black guys regretting it, race could play,

975
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, part in that type of thing takes well,

976
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: there's no question. I mean, I've I've posted something about

977
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: this actually on Twitter myself that there's a history in

978
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: this country of black men being accused of offending the

979
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: honor of white women, and in the past there were

980
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: black men who were in boys even who are lynched

981
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: because of that. So I mean, of course race plays

982
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: a factor, yeah, which I think has gotten completely lost

983
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: in this converence. No one wants to talk about it

984
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: because it's just one of those things where if you

985
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: voice any sort of um skepticism, then you're like at

986
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: the facto rapist or a rape apologist, and it's like,

987
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: holy shit. I just want to make sure that you know,

988
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: the guilty parties go to prison and that innocent people

989
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: aren't thrown in prison or worse, you know, killed or

990
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: whatever the hell. And and I would say there should

991
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: be a consequence there for those who falsely accused, and

992
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't think there really is right now. Yeah, No,

993
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: there definitely should be. I mean if you make a

994
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: bad faith accusation against someone, I'm not talking about someone

995
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: who made a mistake. Yeah it's a hazy yeah, or

996
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, you were blacked out, drunk or whatever. I

997
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: would say, like the Duke Lacrosse. Uh, you know, she

998
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: flat out wide about everything and turned out to be

999
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: a murderer as well. So yeah, I mean, what was

1000
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: that case back in the Uh, it's like back in

1001
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: the eighties where there's a girl claims she was raped

1002
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: in Central Park. Yeah that was uh, And I know

1003
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: Al Sharpton got involved in all that. Yeah, and it

1004
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: turned or it turned out she made the whole thing up, yeah, entirely. Yeah,

1005
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: and ruined this guy, wasn't it, Pogonis his life? Yeah,

1006
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: I hope. I'm not you know, confusing the names here

1007
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: because these are all like old cases. But yeah, it's

1008
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: the there needs to be some consequence. I would think

1009
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: when you knowingly falsely accused someone, not that it was

1010
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: the haze of memory or you know, and when it

1011
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: just like I said, when it comes down to like

1012
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: the politics of choosing what to believe, it's like, I'm

1013
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: not a believer. I don't have the faith and humanity

1014
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: to just have this like kind of blind acceptance of

1015
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: what I'm told. Yeah, and I mean you know, people,

1016
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: you know, uh can take to social media and talk

1017
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: about what I'm a bad person or whatever, But I

1018
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: mean the facts are the facts. And unfortunately in this

1019
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: case with with Kavanaugh, I mean I think we all

1020
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: wish we had the facts and we don't. Um. I

1021
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: was gonna mention before we wrap this up that we

1022
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: mentioned that Like War is going to be on. The

1023
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: authors of Like Wear gonna be on next week. That's postponed.

1024
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: They're definitely gonna be on. I'm just changing the data.

1025
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: One more chapter to go in the book. I'm almost done. Awesome,

1026
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: Well they'll they'll definitely be on, but not next week.

1027
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: The next guest we have is another old school veteran,

1028
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: Stuart Steinberg, so, which you got me in touch with.

1029
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for that. Yeah. Um, there's somebody else

1030
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm working on to um, a book author who wrote

1031
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: an interesting book. Another little obscure part of Special Operations history. Um,

1032
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: that'll that'll be a fucking amazing interview if we can

1033
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: get him on here nice and then and then the

1034
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: next high profile interview is a certain general who we

1035
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: may have in studio. I'm still working on a date.

1036
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: Is a General Flynn. Can you get General Flynn on please?

1037
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: He he was on, Remember that he was. It wasn't

1038
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: the best connection, but yeah, you guys can look back

1039
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: if you go to soft Rep radio dot com because

1040
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: it's not all on Apple podcast. Did you see the

1041
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: report that, um, there's this guy he was like a

1042
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: GOP staffer. Um, I can't remember his name off hands,

1043
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: like Paul Smith or something like that. And uh, it's

1044
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: this guy committed suicide allegedly and he left a note

1045
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: and apparently the note is like an all caps, all

1046
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: capital letters, no foul play whatsoever. That was a suicide note.

1047
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: And according to the what I saw on on CNBC,

1048
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: this guy was working for General Flynn to obtain the

1049
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: deleted Hillary Clinton emails. So the conspiracy theories are about

1050
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: the fly. Um, and I'm not trying to propagate that,

1051
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: but I mean, who the funk leads a suicide note

1052
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: that says no fel whatsoever. What it's like, who is

1053
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: that guy? Was it Seth Richards the guy's name the

1054
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: d n C staffer. I don't think it was Richard

1055
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: Seth I know you're talking about. And he was gunned down,

1056
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: and like a hipster neighborhood and Washington, d C. Where

1057
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: nobody gets gunned down. I mean, he got shot in

1058
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: the back. I think on the way home from a bar. However,

1059
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I was actually just Seth rich I

1060
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: was actually just about to announce this same thing. The

1061
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: family of Seth rich actually has gone after Sean Hannity

1062
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, telling him to shut up, stop

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Speaker 1: stop putting out conspiracy theory. I don't want to put

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Speaker 1: out conspiracy theories, but I mean this, that guy was murdered.

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Speaker 1: I mean, flat out, there's no question about that. And

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Speaker 1: we've never gotten any answers as to what the hell

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Speaker 1: what was the motive? His wallet wasn't taken, he wasn't robbed.

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Speaker 1: But apparently the family does not believe the whole hill reconnection.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know, I don't believe that

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Speaker 1: the Clintons have people suicide or murdered or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: But I mean these are still like crazy deaths that

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Speaker 1: like we we never get any explanation for what the

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Speaker 1: like we're all just kind of like comfortable not having

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Speaker 1: I still have my Pantherre hoodie right now. I'm wearing

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Speaker 1: my soft Rep shirt which people are asking me on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I still wear all of them. They're all great, and

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Speaker 1: quote on the back with the war Pigs lyrics. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that one. We've put out

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Speaker 1: so many T shirts. Yeah, yeah, people are asking me

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Speaker 1: where they can get them, and I don't know, Jason

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Speaker 1: might not. I have not one, but both versions of

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Speaker 1: the Softwrep putty nice, Okay, I have. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: have any more than zip up soft rep Putty. I

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Speaker 1: got the zip up Yeah. I think mine got destroyed

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Speaker 1: in the wash like a while back. I mean I

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Speaker 1: had it for a while. I let you borrow mine.

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Speaker 1: I want it back. Well anyway, so back to what

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Speaker 1: we were saying, it the club fore Men by men.

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Speaker 1: have called. Of course, also have to mention the spec

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Speaker 1: Intelligence Edition UM which I had Sam Fattus and James Powell.

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Speaker 1: That's up on there now. Yeah, we have several of

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Speaker 1: the episodes up on there. Yeah. I know that. UM,

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Speaker 1: I don't know to moderate. I moderated that one a

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Speaker 1: little bit and asked the interview questions. And I know

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Speaker 1: why because you know, it's weird, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: he's revealed his real name. So who that in his face?

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Speaker 1: So who even cares? But I'm gonna say the code

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Speaker 1: name the Odissean is known to take things like way

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Speaker 1: off track sometimes, and you had to be there to

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Speaker 1: be like to be like, dude, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, you have a limited amount of time,

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Speaker 1: so you kind of have to like steer things and

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Speaker 1: and hit some of the big points. Yeah. It's almost

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Speaker 1: part of the reason I think I'm here on this

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Speaker 1: podcast is sometimes you get a lot of guys from

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Speaker 1: the same field talking and it becomes overly technical. Everything

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Speaker 1: is acronyms, and sometimes I have to be here and go,

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Speaker 1: what the hell are you guys talking about? You know,

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Speaker 1: that's absolutely true. I mean sometimes I can get into

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Speaker 1: it with some of these guys just talking about like

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Speaker 1: really obscure stuff. Yeah, you end up losing the audience. No,

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Speaker 1: you under I mean, because I'd say, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a real good split of like fifty percent of this

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Speaker 1: audience or veterans. Fifty aren't so well. I mean when

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Speaker 1: I get together with certain people, like I tell them,

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, like for me, this is

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Speaker 1: it's like a comic book. Convention because I'm like super

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Speaker 1: into all this weird ship, and then you meet somebody

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Speaker 1: else who's into the same weird ship, so it becomes

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Speaker 1: like fucking like some sort of browny convention or something

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Speaker 1: like that, because where the hell else are you going

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Speaker 1: to find somebody's in this weird stuff. It's like me

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Speaker 1: and the Odisse and talking about x Kiss members like

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Speaker 1: Benny Vinston and Mark Saint John, and people are like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, because we

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Speaker 1: both nerd on nerd nerd out on that. Um So anyway,

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Speaker 1: com a month and we have the app developed by Chris.

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Speaker 1: I think the app for software Bradio is supposed to

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Speaker 1: be out like in days, so be on the lookout

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Speaker 1: for that. There's a new rapp app. Um. I just

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Speaker 1: saw an email. Actually it's the app is done the

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Speaker 1: soft up radio A. Yeah, we just have we just

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Speaker 1: have to write. Ah, he needs me and you to

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Speaker 1: write a description of the podcast. Yeah. I could give

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Speaker 1: him the same one that we use for everything, which

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Speaker 1: is just you know, it's Green Beret Army ranger Jack

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Speaker 1: Murphy and I put New York Festival's Award winning producer

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Speaker 1: and have I I know I've said it on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Have I told you how I won that award? So

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Speaker 1: I won an award when I was producing for Senator

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Speaker 1: Bill Bradley, and uh, here's a guy who got me

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Speaker 1: to not Bill Bradley, but he did an interview with

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Speaker 1: Charlie Rose. Probably Rose went down. We did a spotlight

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Speaker 1: interview with Charlie Rose, and that one an award which

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Speaker 1: I produced. And if I and if I could be

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Speaker 1: totally honest, I have that award on my wall, I

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Speaker 1: use it on my resume and everything. But the way

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Speaker 1: I really won that award is I called up Charlie

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Speaker 1: Rose and he was on speaker phone and I was like, sir,

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Speaker 1: could you take it off speaker phone? It doesn't sound good.

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Speaker 1: And Charlie Rose said to me, you mean to tell me,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to and he was serious, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have to hold this interview and I hold this phone

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Speaker 1: to my ear during the entire interview and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's just like and then I put him on. We

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Speaker 1: did I. I potted him up on the board. We

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Speaker 1: did an hour interview. It won an award. That was

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Speaker 1: my involved. I didn't book him or anything, but you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, Charlie Rose went down Matt Lower. The one

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Speaker 1: that really surprised me was a Leonard of lopate Um

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Speaker 1: who I think he was a public radio guy. We

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Speaker 1: went into his studio, Brandon and I and we did

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Speaker 1: an interview with him about the Benghazi book. We did

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Speaker 1: so this was years ago now, and that was probably

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Speaker 1: the best interview I've ever done, like him and his

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Speaker 1: questions were really on point. Um. His producers had gone

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Speaker 1: through the book and like pulled out all the really

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Speaker 1: important points. Um. So he's like this nice like public

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Speaker 1: radio figure. Um. Kind of like a legend here in

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Speaker 1: the city. And uh and yeah, he went down for

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Speaker 1: the accusation accusations of sex fual harassment in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: You know who I bought up too. That was the

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Speaker 1: biggest name in that category. I once spoort op Harvey

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Speaker 1: Weinstein and he was super nice guy today. I saw

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Speaker 1: him downtown, like down in the East Village one time.

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Speaker 1: So Sirius x M has a studio, you know, the

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Speaker 1: one that you've been to, like the main headquarters, and

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Speaker 1: then they have one at the at Lincoln Center that

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Speaker 1: they called Jack Jazz at Lin Lincoln Center. It's a

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Speaker 1: really small studio, and you know when someone they don't

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Speaker 1: want to fit in or can't fit into the big studio,

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Speaker 1: they bring them there. Bob Edwards does a lot of

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Speaker 1: his interviews out of there. And I could tell you

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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein came in by himself, like no entourage, no publicist,

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Speaker 1: and just sat down in the small studio and was

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Speaker 1: a super nice guy and then you know what went

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Speaker 1: down went down. So yeah, man, I mean, see, these

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Speaker 1: these people turn out to be monsters. Yeah, you can't,

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Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately can't base it off like one interaction

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Speaker 1: with the person or even many interactions, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well people like that too, are like associate paths. So

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Speaker 1: like they are, they're they're quite talented at, you know,

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Speaker 1: throwing up that smoke screen. You know, like what was

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Speaker 1: that guy Schneiderman, our our beloved attorney general all the yea,

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Speaker 1: And I mean he was good at throwing up the

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Speaker 1: you know, he was a me too guy, throwing up

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Speaker 1: the me too smoke screen. Beyond the scenes, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's just a fucking a villain. I mean, how else

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Speaker 1: can you put it? Yeah, I feel like a lot

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Speaker 1: of those guys end up being, you know, as you've

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Speaker 1: said before, the ones who are like doing it a

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Speaker 1: little too hard. Yeah. Yeah, they're trying to convene a

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Speaker 1: hot dog hot dogging and show bolting and spotlighten. Well,

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Speaker 1: hopefully you guys enjoyed this. Man. I thought Kyle was great. Um,

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Speaker 1: and and go pick up Red War And like I said,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a real particular talent to be

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Speaker 1: able to pick up such a decorated series, Um, bio

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Speaker 1: legendary author. You could follow Jack on Twitter at Jack

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Speaker 1: Murphy r g R. You can follow me at Ian

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Speaker 1: Scotto and uh yeah, I think that's it. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for um Stuart Steinberg next episode. Absolute cool. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: actually Stewart got recommended to us by Mike Vinning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mike Vining, who is an absolute legend in the community

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Speaker 1: and absolutely one of our favorite guests we've ever had

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Speaker 1: on I always I you know, that first interview with

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Speaker 1: It should be, I mean, honestly, Yeah, and then we

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Speaker 1: did a part two of him which didn't get as

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Speaker 1: many lessons, and I think a lot of people are unaware.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't know. Yeah, we did to Mike

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Speaker 1: Vining interviews, so you can check those all out. Softwarep

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Speaker 1: the four archive of everything. Uh and as I said,

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