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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Hul Calbs, he joins

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Speaker 1: me ahead of the holiday weekend, We've got updates on

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Speaker 1: a handful of injured starters. How much can the defense

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Speaker 1: rely on Dennis Gardeck this season? We begin though with

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Speaker 1: a roster update. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode five eighty six,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two, hitting

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Speaker 1: the backfield and down he goes for a loss. JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt Nailed at Cardinals. Cover two is presented by hun

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Speaker 1: Day Crowd, partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. He's

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Speaker 1: at the ten half of five pays in again, So

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Speaker 1: for Harry Magic, whoa, here's Craig grieloup. So it's not

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Speaker 1: okay to steal, It is okay to borrow, however, and

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Speaker 1: if you're going to borrow, specifically a phrase from someone

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Speaker 1: Paul Calbas, you had at least better give them credits.

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Speaker 1: So I am going to give you kind sir credit, because,

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Speaker 1: as you like to say, keep your head on a swivel.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna accuse me of being a PAULI plagiarize,

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Speaker 1: but no, no, okay, all right, keep your head on

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Speaker 1: a swivel, because that's what we've had to do this week.

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Speaker 1: With respects to the Arizona Cardinals roster. You've got fifty

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Speaker 1: three and then well maybe you got some changes, and

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Speaker 1: you had some pieces, and you got a substract, some pieces,

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Speaker 1: we got the practice squad. So yeah, as Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the week, he has really yet to

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Speaker 1: address the team as a whole because we still don't

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Speaker 1: quite know what this team is going to look like

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Speaker 1: until that first practice of game week. Think about if

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Speaker 1: you're a Christian Matthew and you're the seventh rounder out

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Speaker 1: of Valdosta State, and there's the final fifty three, except

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Speaker 1: it's not so final because less than twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 1: guess well, there's been another corner that's been acquired in

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Speaker 1: a trade and you've been relegated to the practice squad

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Speaker 1: a least we presume. So Hey, like Greg Dorch said,

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Speaker 1: he didn't truly exhale until the waiver claims came out,

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Speaker 1: till he realized, all right, at this point, i think

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Speaker 1: I'm safe. Knock on Wood, a guy who has cut

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Speaker 1: five times his first couple of years. A guy who

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Speaker 1: originally made his first roster as an undrafted rookie, only

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Speaker 1: to find out the next day or the day after that,

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Speaker 1: sorry about that. Guess what, there was someone on the

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Speaker 1: waiver wire that's going to take your spot in the

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Speaker 1: final fifty three. So you're right if you're at the

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Speaker 1: bottom end of the roster, head on a swivel, because

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Speaker 1: the operative word is chern, and especially as Steve Kim

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Speaker 1: will do that the final three, four or five spots

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Speaker 1: throughout this season. They're going to conduct these tryouts what

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday. They're always looking to replace the fifty second

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Speaker 1: or fifty third guy on the roster. We always make

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Speaker 1: a big deal final cuts, final fifty three man roster,

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Speaker 1: but in truth, it is never final. To your point,

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Speaker 1: they are always searching to figure out, can we get

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Speaker 1: better at certain positions? Maybe not orders, maybe not backups,

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Speaker 1: but guys, are you better on special teams in a pinch?

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Speaker 1: Are you a better third running back than what we

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Speaker 1: have right now? A better fifth run, fifth wide receiver

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Speaker 1: say you made the fifty three man roster, but until

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Speaker 1: you really get past that first game and then contracts

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Speaker 1: able to relax, but really there is no relaxing in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. It was Adam Schefter tweeted out

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Speaker 1: eight hundred sixty four players were released. That was the

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Speaker 1: never know what sort of grade that certain clubs have

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Speaker 1: uncertain players. For example, we only learned after they signed

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Speaker 1: There's only so many draft picks. Look at the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs, for example, Cardinals Week one opponent they drafted.

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Speaker 1: Nine of them made the team. So that's remarkable to

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Speaker 1: one is the time to do it all. Same thing

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, one of those teams that was much

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Speaker 1: a playoff super Bowl contender. When do you want them, Well,

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Speaker 1: you want those teams early when they really haven't hit

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Speaker 1: Tennessee and they're yelling out, hey, these Titan fans need

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Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, d Hop and Christian Kirk with two

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Speaker 1: a little discombobulated in offense because Julio Jones was not

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Speaker 1: a real fit. They thought Julio Jones was wide receiver one. No,

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Speaker 1: a fact that it's the same defensive system now for

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Speaker 1: why the starters haven't seen any or very little reps

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Speaker 1: two teams were healthy as opposed to a Cardinals team

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Speaker 1: that was not healthy in December and in January. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there were other issues going on. Yes, it's been a

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Speaker 1: And if they don't come out and play well against

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Speaker 1: City was a better team on Week one that Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Now what might factor into that Week one performance? We

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Speaker 1: some big name players justin Pugh, Rondel, Moore, zach Ertz,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden. Asked about each one of those. Head coach

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury said basically the same thing. Paul quote, it'll

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Speaker 1: bodes well as to the return of forty four. Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury did tell the media it'd be nice to get

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Speaker 1: junk going quote endquote, just the fact, Okay, he is

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Speaker 1: pass rushers. You know, Justin Pew, I do expect him

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Speaker 1: According to him, he's back up to about two eighty five,

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Speaker 1: I did hear that. Yeah, I just so that was anyway,

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Speaker 1: here's the point on Marco Wilson. We saw him struggle

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Speaker 1: at times, especially against the Rams. Right, Cooper Cup and

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Speaker 1: Obj made catches against Marco Wilson. Matthew Stafford targeting the

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Speaker 1: rookie at the time, but a lot of those were

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Speaker 1: closely contested, right, A lot of those catches were all men.

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Speaker 1: He was there, he just didn't make the play on

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Speaker 1: the ball. And he was the point that was made

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Speaker 1: to me when you watched the other playoff games what

436
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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup and OBJ did to other defensive backs as

437
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Speaker 1: they went forward in the playoffs three more games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they made a lot of dvs look stupid. They got

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Speaker 1: a lot of separation against a lot of dbs that

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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson was there as a rookie, he was poised

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Speaker 1: to make a play he didn't in a lot of cases,

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Speaker 1: and the passerading he gave up was was elevated, no

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Speaker 1: doubt if you believe the Pro Football focused numbers and

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Speaker 1: some of the other metrics. But he has all the

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Speaker 1: talent in the world. So they've tried to kick him

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Speaker 1: in the tailpath throughout the month of August, trying to

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Speaker 1: get him going to realize, you know what, you could

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Speaker 1: be a really good corner with all the skills and

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Speaker 1: the measurables you have. There's just been a disconnect somewhere,

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Speaker 1: and then the coaching staff, obviously he's tried to remedy

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Speaker 1: that with their approach to or Marco Wilson. But make

452
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Speaker 1: no mistake, at least it was told to me by

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Speaker 1: other players that you know, he really did have a

454
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Speaker 1: pretty dang good rookie year, and especially compared to some

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Speaker 1: established corners who got torched the rest of the playoffs

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Speaker 1: against ob j and Cooper Copp. You know what would

457
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Speaker 1: help a Marco Wilson and the rest of the cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: late on me a pass rush? Yes, as we continue

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Yes, if you can get into

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Speaker 1: the backfield, you affect that opposing quarterback less time to

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Speaker 1: look down field, less time for those dbs to cover.

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Speaker 1: So that brings us to the question of, Okay, who

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Speaker 1: is rushing the quarterback this season? You do have Marcus Golden,

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Speaker 1: you do have Dennis Gardeck. And then it was interesting

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Speaker 1: because you and I talked about this off air. Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury his last media availability of the week. Remember no

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Speaker 1: practice on Thursday, an extra extended vacation if you will,

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Speaker 1: for this holiday weekend over Labor Daysbury quote, there's a

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Speaker 1: bunch of guys, and then he added those guys that

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Speaker 1: can rush the passer and specifically mentioned Zaven Collins and

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, plus a healthy JJ Watt and Zach Allen.

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Speaker 1: But you just dropped an inside linebacker Simmons. You're starbacker

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Speaker 1: and then two defensive linemen. It was interesting. Isaiah Simmons

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Speaker 1: also met the media and I asked him, all right,

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Speaker 1: so potentially, how many different positions do you see yourself playing?

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Speaker 1: And he's sort of paused and you could tell, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting an answer on this question, and he said, no,

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Speaker 1: I'll pretty much be the linebacker. You know, as nobody's

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Speaker 1: buying that, we're just not. And that has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with with Isaiah in his comment. It just has

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Speaker 1: everything to do with where we've seen him the first

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Speaker 1: two years. We've seen him in a half dozen different

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Speaker 1: spots and I don't expect that to change. He's not

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Speaker 1: exclusively going to be the weak side inside linebacker. He

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Speaker 1: will at times, and we saw that during some of

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Speaker 1: the open practices. There were times where he was next

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Speaker 1: to Zaman Collins and they were the two inside linebackers.

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Speaker 1: But they were also times where Isaiah Simmons was in

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Speaker 1: the slot, he was playing deep safety, and then there

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Speaker 1: he was on the edge, and there were times where

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Speaker 1: we saw Zavin Collins the end of last season plenty

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Speaker 1: of times where he was on the edge, especially when

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Speaker 1: they were at a lot of injury issues at outside linebackers.

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Speaker 1: So if Nick vigil And and Isaiah Simmons will take

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Speaker 1: him at his word, are your two inside linebackers? What

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Speaker 1: about Zavin Collins if you want to get twenty five

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Speaker 1: on the field, Which goes back to that comment Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury made so very intrigue. The thing is unlike a

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Speaker 1: Son Reddick, he's never played that position before. You know,

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Speaker 1: Son Reddick was a highly decorated All American at Temple

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Speaker 1: coming off the edge, ridiculously productive getting into the backfield

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Speaker 1: off the edge. That's not Zaven Collins. There's more of

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Speaker 1: a learning curve at edge than there is an inside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: which he's yet to master. So I'm not sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: is it strictly gonna be third and long, second and

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Speaker 1: long situations? Probably? But is he even that being the case?

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Speaker 1: Is he better than a Victor DMOKG? Has he earned

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Speaker 1: a pass rushing rep over a Dennis Gardeck? If Marcus

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Speaker 1: Golden is indeed back even a my J. Sanders a

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Speaker 1: situational pass rusher, that's intriguing and merit's monitoring going forward.

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Speaker 1: Zaven did play outside linebacker and rushed to the quarterback

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Speaker 1: late last season when they were trying to get him

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Speaker 1: on the football field. We have seen him rush the

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the preseason. But if you want twenty five

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Speaker 1: on the field, no matter what position. Maybe also you

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Speaker 1: look at the roster and see six inside linebackers and

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Speaker 1: that includes Isaiah Simmons. Did you keep six because maybe

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Speaker 1: Zaven's going to be doing something else. We know Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Simmons is going to be doing something else, and you

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Speaker 1: need that extra body in there just to kind of

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Speaker 1: help everyone else. And you know what else, if he's

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Speaker 1: in there and pass rushing situations, maybe he doesn't rush

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Speaker 1: the passer, maybe he drops into coverage. Because agree or disagree,

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Speaker 1: Craig his best aspect of his game this August was

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Speaker 1: him in coverage. Absolutely, he looked really good downfield against

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Speaker 1: tight ends, downfield against running backs. I mean he's six

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Speaker 1: four two sixty and he can run. So if I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Chiefs come out with double tight ends,

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Speaker 1: the Raiders come out with double tight ends. They pair

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey with another tight end, Darren Waller with another

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Speaker 1: tight end, and those tight ends inevitably are six five,

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Speaker 1: six six. And you don't want to put a Buddha

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Speaker 1: Baker or Jalen Thompson, those guys just because of the

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Speaker 1: size mismatch Boom twenty five is out there. He's also

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Speaker 1: able to do what Jordan Hicks couldn't do most of

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, cover the running back out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield. And so we know we know Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid's propensity to throw to the running back out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield. Daryl Williams has been that guy the last

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Speaker 1: four years. So if running backs coming out on a

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Speaker 1: wheel route, oh, I don't know, like two years ago

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Speaker 1: against San Francisco and the opener that victimized in Isaiah Simmons, Well,

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Speaker 1: Zaman Collins is up to that. He's very good in

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Speaker 1: coverage and I could see Van Vance Joseph using him

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Speaker 1: in that capacity. You brought up Dennis Gardak, and I've

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Speaker 1: been impressed by what I've seen more so than what

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Speaker 1: I've heard from whether it's the coaches or from Gardeck himself.

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Speaker 1: But this does look like Dennis Gardak back when he

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Speaker 1: was getting seven sacks in ninety three snaps, when he

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Speaker 1: was surprising offenses. He might still be surprising offenses, but

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Speaker 1: he looks quicker off the line of scrimmage. He's not

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Speaker 1: hesitating at all. And it is not the year after,

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Speaker 1: it's two years after that ACL injury, in which you

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Speaker 1: see players really get comfortable and kind of back to

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Speaker 1: where they were. And if you can have Dennis Gardack

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Speaker 1: be that guy opposite Marcus Golden. Not that teams are

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Speaker 1: gonna look to Gardeck versus Golden. They're always gonna search

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Speaker 1: out forty four. But now, all of a sudden, what

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Speaker 1: does forty five do? Come in from the left or

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Speaker 1: right side, and he's so unconventional at six foot he

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Speaker 1: just looks like a pit bull, and he comes in

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Speaker 1: like a Tasmanian devil, and he's all over the place

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Speaker 1: and the movement and the speed and the explosion. Then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's using that spin move or

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Speaker 1: a rip move, and I think he gets underest made

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Speaker 1: it and underrated just based on I remember DJ Humphrey's

568
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Speaker 1: telling the story the first time he went against Aaron Donald,

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Speaker 1: he said, you know what, this guy's tiny. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: smash this guy. And then he found out the hard

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Speaker 1: way that he's an NFL Defensive Player of the Year

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Speaker 1: and an All timer for a reason. Now, not putting

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Speaker 1: Dennis Dennis Cardack, And that's I'm just saying he gets underrated.

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Speaker 1: And I think, for example, in the joint practice against

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Speaker 1: the Titans, one of my big takeaways was a performance

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Speaker 1: of Dennis Gardeck against Taylor Lawan and some of the

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Speaker 1: other starting offensive lineman for the Titans. He was a problem,

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Speaker 1: he really was. He came in, he got under their pads,

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Speaker 1: he got into the backfield. I mean, how many times

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Speaker 1: in August did we say, oh, that play wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: happened because forty five would have got the quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: if you gave me a power pall, guys, I'm most

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Speaker 1: curious to see against the Chiefs in week one, Dennis

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Speaker 1: Gardeck would be top three just based on what we

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Speaker 1: saw in two twenty in the absurdity of seven sacks

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Speaker 1: and ninety three defensive snaps and a bunch of other

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Speaker 1: production as well his last year where he's coming off

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Speaker 1: the ACL and he wasn't quite the same player. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's back to be in the twenty twenty. Dennis Gardeck

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Speaker 1: Guardeck earlier this week, beating the media quote, I feel

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Speaker 1: like there's some expectations this year, and I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: rise to that challenge end quote. So you get that

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Speaker 1: three year contract. Yes, you are valued on special teams,

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Speaker 1: but there might be more value. And the reason you

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Speaker 1: got three years because we think we found something that

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Speaker 1: you can rush the quarterback. Remember it was inside linebacker

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Speaker 1: and special teams. They moved him outside and he has

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Speaker 1: shown that he will not give up no matter if

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Speaker 1: he's staring down he's sixty seven three eighty pound tackle

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Speaker 1: or going inside against the guard. He is relentless to

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Speaker 1: get to that quarterback. Charlie Bull on the outside linebackers

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Speaker 1: coach told us on The Big Red Rage this offseason

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Speaker 1: that when you watched the film from last year, he

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Speaker 1: didn't have the sack numbers obviously, but he really did

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Speaker 1: affect the play. He did impact the pocket that other

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Speaker 1: guys got to the quarterback because of Dennis Gardeck at

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Speaker 1: he was that effective. And so based on the coaches

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Speaker 1: and the personnel evaluators, is Steve Kind breaking down the

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Speaker 1: film of Dennis Gardeck. That's how he got the three year,

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Speaker 1: twelve million dollar contract extension for an undrafted guy out

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Speaker 1: of Sioux Falls who had played at West Virginia State.

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Speaker 1: His joke on The Big Red Rage, I said you know,

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Speaker 1: what were the crowds when you played college ball? He said, well,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia State, it was friends and family and three

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Speaker 1: drunk volleyball girls. That was his quote, that that was

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Speaker 1: the attendance. Reminded me of Rodney Gunter who played at

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Speaker 1: Delaware State and his rookie year was twenty and fifteen

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Speaker 1: when the Cardinals went all the way the NFC Championship game,

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Speaker 1: and they were media darlings, and they were in Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night Football. And there's Rodney Gunter getting playing times in

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football in front of an international TV audience,

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Speaker 1: and he said his biggest crowds usually at Delaware State

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Speaker 1: were three to four hundred people. Not just the transition

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Speaker 1: from that atmosphere to an NFL game, it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And so, I mean, Dennis Gardeck said the same thing

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Speaker 1: Rodney Gunter did. The biggest crowd he had played against

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Speaker 1: in his rookie year, it was, you know, up to

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Speaker 1: that point was the red and white practice at State

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Speaker 1: Farm Stadium. So that was good stuff. But yeah, Dennis

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Speaker 1: Gardeck and then Victor d. Mukg once again, you know,

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Speaker 1: to me, the most improved player this season from lag

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Speaker 1: and I'll back you up, thank you, thank you. So

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Speaker 1: it's two on one when we talk about the most

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Speaker 1: improved players, right Ron Wolfley, And we've even established here

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyunday probably partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, that Victor is number one and it's

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Speaker 1: Bernhard's Psychovitz who is number two, and then Andy Isabel

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Speaker 1: that's right. So how's that taste wolf on that front there,

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Speaker 1: Victor do mukg? I think coust Von Konard a spot

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Speaker 1: on this roster now as of this recording, it looks

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Speaker 1: be on the practice squad because you can do that

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Speaker 1: with veterans now, and that's a great move for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals to have that sort of security sitting on the

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Speaker 1: practice squad and that sort of veteran knowledge. And I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of respect for Devon Knard for a

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Speaker 1: number of reasons. But when you saw him in the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore game on the sideline coaching up Cameron Thomas in

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Speaker 1: between series with him knowing that, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: might be on the bubble because of these two third

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Speaker 1: round rookies, because of the sixth round er a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Victor de Mukagi has taken a huge step forward because

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Speaker 1: of Dennis Gardak The numbers game might dictate I'm on

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Speaker 1: the outside looking in, and he was still coaching up

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Speaker 1: the rookies on the sideline in between the series. That's

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Speaker 1: the sort of respect you have for a Devon Knard.

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Speaker 1: Here's Conard's tweets on Thursday, emotional week to say the least,

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Speaker 1: but my time and Azy ain't done yet exclamation point,

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Speaker 1: and he attached a picture of him in his Cardinals

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Speaker 1: number forty two uniforms. So yeah, Devon Kard back and

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Speaker 1: it does give you a little bit more depth at

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Speaker 1: pass rusher, although he's he was never really a pass

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Speaker 1: rusher with the Arizona Cardinals. It was more about setting

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Speaker 1: the edge and help stop the run. But when you

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Speaker 1: have the edge rushers that you did draft and then

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Speaker 1: Victor de Mukaji. As far as what he has looked like,

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Speaker 1: not in just practice but in the preseason, his play speed,

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Speaker 1: as Gardeck explained, but just getting off the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage a half step, maybe a full step quicker than

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Speaker 1: he was previously. And that, Paul, you know, can mean

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Speaker 1: all the difference between getting to the quarterback and a

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Speaker 1: sack or getting to the quarterback just as the ball

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Speaker 1: is getting released. I talked to a number of offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman just try to get a feel as to whether

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Speaker 1: Victor Dimukeje was like that preseason star like we saw

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Speaker 1: ten years ago with a Steven Williams, a receiver who

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Speaker 1: is ridiculously productive in August and then you never heard

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Speaker 1: from him the rest of the season, and they said,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. He's legit. He really has improved his game,

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Speaker 1: He's improved his get off, his explosion. We have interviewed

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Speaker 1: both of us, Victor de mukag he's confirmed as much.

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Speaker 1: He committed himself in the off season, you know, changed

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Speaker 1: his body composition, so you know you're hoping and you're

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Speaker 1: counting on that, but it's still an unknown to a

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Speaker 1: certain degree. Can he be a regular and can you

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Speaker 1: count on him for production? Obviously, the two third round rookies,

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Speaker 1: my J Sanders and Cameron Thomas are still unknown. Despite

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Speaker 1: a great preseason finale for Cameron Thomas where we called

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Speaker 1: his name a good dozen times, he had a ton

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Speaker 1: of production bought. That was against the bottom forty guys

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Speaker 1: on the Titans rosters. So you have a Devon Knard

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Speaker 1: now on the practice squad and for some reason those

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Speaker 1: three guys are unproductive by the end of September, say,

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Speaker 1: and you start realizing we need more out of that position.

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Speaker 1: I easily could see Devon Knard being called up on

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Speaker 1: game Day one. Last note here on Cardinals cover two

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Speaker 1: presented by Hunday Partner of the Arizona Cardinals. I'm just

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Speaker 1: doing a wellness check really for you, Paul, because as

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Speaker 1: an avid listener of Cardinals Underground and know how disappointed

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Speaker 1: you were that Chandler Wooten did not make the initial

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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. Darn toot Non Wootton, are you

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we've got another marketing slogan in the works. Good.

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Speaker 1: I just feel it. The bumper stickers, the T shirts.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. That was Organic Chanot, one of the

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Speaker 1: twelve players signed to the practice squad earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: So he is still an Arizona Cardinal. We just don't

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Speaker 1: know when or if we will see him on a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not predicting regular season glory and greatness for

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Speaker 1: Chandler Wootton. I'm just saying that when you look at

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Speaker 1: the final roster, and kudos to you for putting this

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Speaker 1: together by position here. So when you look at this

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Speaker 1: gree and you're saying, okay, inside linebacker, there's six, and

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Speaker 1: Chandler Wootton wasn't one of six inside linebackers. And look,

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Speaker 1: Ben Neeman is a veteran and he's played snaps in

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Speaker 1: this league for a while, and he had a nice

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Speaker 1: preseason finale. But at the back end of that position room,

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Speaker 1: if you're thinking upside, you're definitely thinking Chandler Wootton, I

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Speaker 1: would surmise. On the other hand, a lot of this

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Speaker 1: is predicated on who you can get to a practice

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Speaker 1: squad and who you cannot. For example, at Trace McSorley,

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Speaker 1: if they really thought that trace McSorley was going to

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Speaker 1: be claimed, he would not have been subjected to waivers.

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Speaker 1: He just would not have they value to trace McSorley.

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Speaker 1: But when other teams started releasing some pretty big names

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Speaker 1: at quarterback and most teams were only keeping two instead

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Speaker 1: of three, maybe there was an abundance of supply on

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Speaker 1: the open market, they figured pretty it was pretty safe

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Speaker 1: they could release a Trace McSorley. He would not get

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Speaker 1: claimed and they could put him on their practice squad,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly what happened. I think the same thing

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Speaker 1: probably happened with the Chandler Woutten. Was anybody really willing

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Speaker 1: to give one of their final fifty three spots to

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Speaker 1: an undrafted guy out of Auburn who had some nice production,

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Speaker 1: albeit in the second half of every preseason game against second, third,

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Speaker 1: and four stringers, but just the upside and a guy

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Speaker 1: who started three years at Auburn team captain. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was seeking destroy out there when we saw him.

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Speaker 1: He did not hesitate, he had the instincts, he had

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Speaker 1: the football IQ. So in terms of a guy in

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Speaker 1: the back end of the roster who maybe just maybe

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Speaker 1: might take that big step going into next year, like

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Speaker 1: Victor de Mukg, I would keep an eye on a

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Speaker 1: Chandler Woutten. You know, though the guy was like Lucida Smith.

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Speaker 1: I honestly thought towards the end of camp that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they can cut him and use that spot and feel

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Speaker 1: pretty good about getting him to the practice squad. No,

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Speaker 1: they kept him on the final fifty three. Lascia Smith

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Speaker 1: the sixth rounder out of Virginia Tech. So there were

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Speaker 1: some curious moves that I did not necessarily see coming.

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Speaker 1: Once again, it's all based on supply demand, and they

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Speaker 1: have their finger on the pulse of the market, and

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Speaker 1: they have a pretty good sense as to who they

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Speaker 1: might lose if they're not protected in the final fifty three.

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Speaker 1: One other player that's back with the team on the

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Speaker 1: practice squad to keep an eye on, at least for me,

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Speaker 1: it's defensive lineman Manny Jones. I do think he showed

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Speaker 1: flashes and the preseason and some won that. Again, practice

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Speaker 1: squad is meant to do two things. One have guys

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Speaker 1: at the ready and then to develop. But I'm intrigued

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Speaker 1: by Manny Jones, who perhaps maybe just needs a little

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Speaker 1: bit more seasoning, whether that's October, November, December, or spends

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Speaker 1: the entire season on the practice squad and next year

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Speaker 1: gets that knock or that tap on the shoulders. They

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Speaker 1: congratulations young man. And he made a good impression in

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Speaker 1: the D line room. As Richard Lawrence told us in

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Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, he's done a heck of a

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Speaker 1: job as a rookie's stocking the fridge in the D

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Speaker 1: line room. So Manny Jones, you know he has that

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Speaker 1: football awareness to be able to go ahead and serve

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Speaker 1: the veterans be a popular guy in that room. Although

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Speaker 1: Richard Lawrence had a critical review. He said it was

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Speaker 1: a great Kyler impersonation, just went too long. He said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, wow, it's a tough crowd in

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Speaker 1: the d he said, yeah. He said he should have

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Speaker 1: kept it more short and sweet. It would have gone

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Speaker 1: over a lot better. It just it was sort of elongated.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they brought him back to help him

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Speaker 1: work on that impersonation, to whether we can actually get

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Speaker 1: some video of this, because we've heard so much about it,

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Speaker 1: had not seen any of the impersonation, So maybe that's

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Speaker 1: maybe that's what we got to work on here over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. And the Fellows like to

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Speaker 1: say that Manny Jones and Kyler Murray look kind of similar.

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Speaker 1: They have sort of there's a resemblance in there. Little Bet,

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Speaker 1: little bet neck up absolutely the body type the body

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Speaker 1: type not even close. But if were to get a

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Speaker 1: headshot and the two of them, you know, I could

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Speaker 1: see where him coming up and doing an impersonation of

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Speaker 1: Kyler at least at first glance, would be pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But how about Jonathan ledbetter making the team on the

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Speaker 1: back end of the D line room. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: to me, this might be the most underrated position group,

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Speaker 1: or at least the position group that's not getting enough attention.

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Speaker 1: And I think come the week one game against Kansas

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Speaker 1: City might really have a breakout game. JJ Watt Zach Allen,

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Speaker 1: who's looked really good and really played banged up last year,

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Speaker 1: still had production, still played. Couldn't even walk on a Monday,

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Speaker 1: he told us, And he wouldn't practice all week, would

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Speaker 1: still play on game day. So now he's one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent healthy, what is he capable of or shard Lawrence

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Speaker 1: knock on wood if he can just stay healthy, his

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Speaker 1: explosion and get off. How many times a Kyle Vanabosh

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Speaker 1: watching drills in Cardinals campsu number ninety, look at that

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Speaker 1: get off, look at the explosion and his ability to

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Speaker 1: get into the gap, and that Matt Burke, the new

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Speaker 1: D line coach, is all about that. According to Rochard,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and the guys get off the ball, get up

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Speaker 1: the field, you know, be a problem, get in the gaffs,

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Speaker 1: mess up a play. So and then with a lecky

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Speaker 1: Foe too, who it was interesting he was called three

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds of torso by Zach Allen, Lecky Foe too,

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Speaker 1: and then Richard said, no, I would call it three

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds of calves. He has the largest calves in

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Speaker 1: the world. Well, so I guess there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a dispute and effort. He's a large man, and

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Speaker 1: so that rotation, I think, not only will it surprise,

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Speaker 1: but it's gonna be critical. It's gonna be necessary because

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Speaker 1: there's more than one way to get a pass rush.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't always have to come from the edge. And

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Speaker 1: minus Chandler Jones, those guys getting into the backfield and

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Speaker 1: that inside pass rush will be very important for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals front seven. This year. All goes back to making

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Speaker 1: sure a JJ Watt, Zach Allen, Richard Lawrence like Foe

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Speaker 1: to stay healthy yep from all seventeen games. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, speaking of health, four day weekend, four days off,

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Speaker 1: and there are no days off once the season begins,

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Speaker 1: Paul but Bell Belichick, no days off. This is the

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Speaker 1: final weekend in which you actually can have a full

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Speaker 1: weekend here this season. Okay, now it's not as good

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Speaker 1: as your weekend because you do have four days off

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Speaker 1: yours truly, there's gonna be a Coaches Show recording on Monday.

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Speaker 1: So you know what, the game week, it's game week.

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Speaker 1: Forget Labor Day, it's game week and it commences on Monday.

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Speaker 1: So yes, come ready, come ready, come, don't don't come

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Speaker 1: with your regular season mug ready. Okay, you gotta have

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Speaker 1: that look in your eye and you gotta have that

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Speaker 1: seriousness about your craft, and it's all gonna start on

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Speaker 1: Monday and then boom, the game week goes from there.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two regular season literally now just right around

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Speaker 1: the corner. And on that note, we will put a

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Speaker 1: lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Honday,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Amandro for Paul Calvci, I'm

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Speaker 1: Craig rial Lou. We'll talk to you next time here

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two. Darn Tuton on Wooten