WEBVTT - Ancient Pacific Navigation, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, the production of

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<v Speaker 1>My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of episodes, maybe more. We're not sure

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<v Speaker 1>how these things ultimately fall together, but we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how humans discovered and ultimately colonized the Polynesian Islands,

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<v Speaker 1>places we know today as uh the Islands of Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 1>Easter Island, New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, Tahiti, the Cook Islands, Fiji,

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<v Speaker 1>uh Tuvalu, and more so in our in our information

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<v Speaker 1>and intercontinental travel age. Though I feel like these names

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<v Speaker 1>may seem very familiar and known, even though they might

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<v Speaker 1>be places that we also paradoxically know are very far

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<v Speaker 1>away from us. We may know that they are, in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases, you know, vastly separated from other islands. But

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<v Speaker 1>just because we can pull up pictures of them, just

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<v Speaker 1>because we know we could book a flight to one

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<v Speaker 1>of these if we so desired, Uh, they may seem closer,

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<v Speaker 1>they may see the world may seem smaller than it

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<v Speaker 1>actually is. You know, there's a very limited way of

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<v Speaker 1>imagining what planet Earth is where you know, you say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody picture the Earth, and and what do people picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they probably picture looking down at some continental

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Earth, maybe seeing mountain ranges, maybe seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the Sahara Desert or something. But often people picture land, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they picture the continents. But if you look at Earth

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<v Speaker 1>from space, what it's really characterized by his ocean. Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>covers most of the Earth's surface, and there's one ocean

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<v Speaker 1>in particular that really takes the cake. It's the Pacific Ocean. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but but I definitely wanted to drive home just how

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<v Speaker 1>large the territory is we're talking about here, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about the colonization of this region, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about European colonization. We're talking about the original

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<v Speaker 1>human sailors who departed from Asia and gradually settled the

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<v Speaker 1>remainder of the world, uh, setting off into the unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also depending on navigation, some really fascinating navigation

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<v Speaker 1>techniques that we'll get into in order to uh to

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<v Speaker 1>chart this region. So yeah, when you look at at

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<v Speaker 1>a map of the globe, it depends on how you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it. Right, If you're you're taking a very

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<v Speaker 1>um uh, north America centric version and a very North

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<v Speaker 1>America centric globe. You're like, all right, there's the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's mostly US, it's mostly North America. But you turn

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<v Speaker 1>it around, you uh, you turn it to the Pacific side,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're looking at a water world, a true water world.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're looking at a side of the globe that

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<v Speaker 1>is almost all Pacific Ocean. Because the Pacific Ocean is

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<v Speaker 1>just simply enormous. It's the largest and the deepest averse oceans.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking sixty three million, eight hundred thousand square miles.

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<v Speaker 1>That's approximately a hundred and sixty five million, two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand square kilometers, and it takes up one

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<v Speaker 1>third of Earth's surface or thirty percent of it, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on who's doing the calculation. It contains the deepest parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the ocean, and it contains more than half of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's open water supply. Specifically, within the realm of

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<v Speaker 1>of Polynesia and Micronesia, these these subdivisions of parts of Oceania,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the you know, the region of the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>containing the Pacific Islands where people live. Um there in

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<v Speaker 1>this part of the world. There's an author named David Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>whose book I'm going to refer to throughout these episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a part of his book where he says

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<v Speaker 1>that if you exclude New Zealand within Polynesia and Micronesia,

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<v Speaker 1>there are two parts land to every one thousand parts water.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So this is this is an area characterized almost

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<v Speaker 1>entirely by water, but Polka dotted with these little hubs

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<v Speaker 1>of land throughout. Yeah, various far flung islands that people

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<v Speaker 1>were able to to eventually colonize and and and make

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<v Speaker 1>their home. And it's yeah, it's it's fascinating. How again,

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've been to I've been fortunate enough to travel

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, say that some of the Hawaiian islands

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<v Speaker 1>and you get there and you know they're they're amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>But but like, I don't have the experience of of

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<v Speaker 1>just the open Pacific, of of the of the many places,

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of the places in the Pacific Ocean where

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<v Speaker 1>there is no side of land, where there is only

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<v Speaker 1>the open water. Now, you don't have to be deep

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<v Speaker 1>into historical theories of human migration to grasp the question

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<v Speaker 1>of like looking at all these islands in the Pacific,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing how far away they are from each other. How

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<v Speaker 1>how small a percent of the area of the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean the islands represent, and notice how many of them

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<v Speaker 1>are populated by people, And wonder how on earth did

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<v Speaker 1>that happen? How did people find and settle on all

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<v Speaker 1>of these tiny islands in this vast ocean. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a fascinating question one that one that we're

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<v Speaker 1>still exploring to this day. We're still figuring out. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be getting in a little bit more into

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<v Speaker 1>the history of it and certainly into the navigational techniques

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<v Speaker 1>the amazing ways that these these ancient sailors made their

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<v Speaker 1>way across the open ocean. But first of all, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's go ahead and drive home that while while human

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<v Speaker 1>colonization of the Pacific Islands is one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>recent human migration movements in our history, it still retains

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<v Speaker 1>you know, more than a few mysteries, uh, and using

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<v Speaker 1>everything from traditional histories and linguistic analysis to climate models

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<v Speaker 1>and genetics, researchers are still continuing to try and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out exactly how this migration occurred, when it occurred, where, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where where we went where humans migrated to

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<v Speaker 1>first in this and so we're going to be dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with some tentative dates here as we we roll through,

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<v Speaker 1>like the basic story of human migration across the Pacific. So,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Linda Noreene Schaefer, in Maritime Southeast Asia to

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred, this was a book that came out in

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<v Speaker 1>the ancestors of Malo, Polynesians left the mainland to settle Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the island of Taiwan around four thousand BC, and from

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<v Speaker 1>there they moved into what is now the Philippines and Indonesia,

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<v Speaker 1>and then during the third millennium BC, they moved on

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<v Speaker 1>to settle the islands uh And and Penninsula peninsulas of

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<v Speaker 1>what Schaffer refers to as Southeast Asia's maritime realm, and

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<v Speaker 1>the people who remained there came to be known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Malays. So from here we see movement of the

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<v Speaker 1>same people's further out into the ocean uh the very

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<v Speaker 1>movement of human migration that would eventually become the Polynesians.

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<v Speaker 1>By fifteen hundred BC, they had reached as far as

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<v Speaker 1>the Bismarck Archipelago north the east of New Guinea and

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<v Speaker 1>Um and Schaefer rights that within a few centuries they

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<v Speaker 1>had spread to West Polynesia, that's Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, and

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<v Speaker 1>Polynesian sailors, explorers and colonists continued and eventually they were

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<v Speaker 1>eventually reached and colonized the far more remote eastward islands

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<v Speaker 1>of Hawaii, um what is now New Zealand and what

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<v Speaker 1>we have also come to refer to as Easter Island

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<v Speaker 1>or Rapa Nui. All right, so now let's try and

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<v Speaker 1>put some dates on all of this. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>all of this is UH is playing out over a

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<v Speaker 1>long period of time, and it's still an area of

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing study and discussions, so these dates are tendative. In

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<v Speaker 1>Schaefer's work, some of the estimated dates she sites include

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<v Speaker 1>Rapa Nui around five hundred CE, although estimates seem I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen estimates that suggest as early as three hundred C

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<v Speaker 1>and then UH. In nineteen nine, the University of Hawaii's

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis um Kawajarada suggested the following dates. He says, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds and gathers inhabited Australia and New Guinea by fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago, and then around between sixteen hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hundred b c E. A cultural complex called Lapita

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<v Speaker 1>had spread from New Guinea in Melanesia to as far

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<v Speaker 1>east as e g. Samoa and Tonga, and then Polynesian

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<v Speaker 1>culture developed at the eastern edge of this region. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he says that around three hundred b C or earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>seafares from Samoa and Tonga discovered and settled islands to

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<v Speaker 1>the east what are known now it's the Cook Islands,

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<v Speaker 1>uh Tahiti, Nui, uh To, Omotos and Hiva. And then

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<v Speaker 1>around three hundred sea or earlier, voyagers from central or

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<v Speaker 1>eastern Polynesia discovered in settled eastern island. And then around

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred sea or earlier, voyagers from the Cook Islands Tahiti,

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<v Speaker 1>Nua and or Hiva settled Hawaii. And then around one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand CEE or earlier, he wrote that the voyagers from

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<v Speaker 1>the Society Islands and or the Cook Islands settled what

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<v Speaker 1>is now in New Zealand. Now again these are just

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<v Speaker 1>tentative dates. Um there. You know, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other work. For instance, according to the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii at Manoa anthropologist Terry Hunt, and this is via

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<v Speaker 1>Hokalua dot com, which will refer back to that website

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<v Speaker 1>some more in the future. Uh they were part of

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<v Speaker 1>a radio carbon study looking at artifacts from the island,

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<v Speaker 1>and they adjusted some of the suggested timelines based on

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<v Speaker 1>that work, ultimately arguing for a more rapid and recent

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<v Speaker 1>colonization of the outer islands. Specifically, he proposed Samoa around

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred b c e the Central Society Islands between

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<v Speaker 1>ten and eleven twenty, and dispersal into New Zealand, Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>and Rapa Nui and other locations between eleven ninety and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve nineties c e. UM and I've seen twelve CE

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<v Speaker 1>is sometimes cited as the most recent possibility for Rappa

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<v Speaker 1>Newly colonization. And so yeah, I know we're hitting every

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<v Speaker 1>one of a lot of dates here. I highly suggest

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<v Speaker 1>going out on your own and finding some of these

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<v Speaker 1>sources and pouring over them in more detail if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get get a clear picture of how this

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<v Speaker 1>is going. There are also some wonderful visual aids depicting uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, exactly how uh these waves of migration might

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<v Speaker 1>have looked uh, And I'm always fascinated by those uh

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<v Speaker 1>even though they you know, they often change again, they're

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<v Speaker 1>subject to the same uh level of change that we

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<v Speaker 1>see with some of the pop sable dates for arrivals

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<v Speaker 1>and colonizations, etcetera. And again it's a very exciting area

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<v Speaker 1>of study, and you'll you'll see papers arguing for the

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<v Speaker 1>for for other things as well, the likes of South

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<v Speaker 1>American and even Antarctic contact by various Polynesian people um

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and I it's my understanding I didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>deep into some of those. I think some of those

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<v Speaker 1>are are kind of controversial or some of them and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly some of the evidence is maybe not as as solid,

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<v Speaker 1>But it just to give you an idea of where

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<v Speaker 1>some of the research is going today and what people

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<v Speaker 1>are looking at. But regardless of the exact dates, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't discount the wonder and accomplishment of the whole scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that this this was this last age of

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<v Speaker 1>true human um exodus, true human discovery and colonization, visiting

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<v Speaker 1>places that humans had never been before, creating a foothold

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<v Speaker 1>of human civilization in places that had belonged only um

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to various animals before and in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of the Logan Islands, places where the no mammals had

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<v Speaker 1>ever arrived there, that had not flown or swam through

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<v Speaker 1>the seas you know that you had to have been

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<v Speaker 1>a bat or a seal. I want to read a

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<v Speaker 1>quote from from the University of Hawaii's Dennis Colorada here

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<v Speaker 1>for which he he really sums a lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>up um and again this is from there. That hoku

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<v Speaker 1>lea website at hokala dot com. That's h o k

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<v Speaker 1>u l e a dot com. Uh, he writes. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The Polynesian migration to Hawaii was part of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most remarkable achievements of humanity, the discovery and settlement

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<v Speaker 1>of the remote, widely scattered islands of the Central Pacific.

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<v Speaker 1>The migration began before the birth of Christ. While Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>were sailing close to the coastlines of continents before developing

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<v Speaker 1>navigational instruments that would allow them to venture out into

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<v Speaker 1>the open ocean. Voyagers from Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa began

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<v Speaker 1>to settle islands in an ocean area of over ten

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<v Speaker 1>million square miles. The settlement took a thousand years to

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<v Speaker 1>complete and involved finding and fixing in mind the position

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<v Speaker 1>of islands, sometimes less than a mile in diameter, on

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<v Speaker 1>on which the highest landmark was a coconut tree. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time European explorers into the Pacific Ocean in the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth century. Almost all the habitable islands had been settled

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<v Speaker 1>for hundreds of years. It's truly remarkable. Yeah, especially when you,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you get beyond the exact timelines and you

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<v Speaker 1>start looking at how they traveled and how they navigated, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and what these islands were like when they found them. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be you know, we're gonna get into the

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<v Speaker 1>moment more into the navigation models UM, either later in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode or in the next. But as Cabajorada points out,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about voyages conducted entirely in canoes made

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<v Speaker 1>from wood and coconut fiber, constructed with tools made from bone,

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<v Speaker 1>rock and coral. They use sails woven from coconut or

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<v Speaker 1>or pandana sleeves, and when no win was available, they paddled.

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<v Speaker 1>And these were dangerous voyages as well, not only at

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<v Speaker 1>open sea, but when you arrived on some of these places,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to imagine the sort of stereotypical like Paradise Island. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know vision where Okay, you've reached the island. The

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous part is done. Now you're in this place. It's

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<v Speaker 1>lush and full of life. But that's not like when

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<v Speaker 1>you get there, Yeah, like there's gonna be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of animals ready for the picking, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know there there. If you get into specifics, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some cases where there's some sort of of of of

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<v Speaker 1>of of natural, naturally occurring animal on that island or

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<v Speaker 1>the waters around it that are perhaps easier pickings. But

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<v Speaker 1>in other cases you're dealing with environments where again like

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're just no mammals, there are no large meaty birds.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, they're they're desolate there playing In some

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<v Speaker 1>cases there it was very difficult for humans to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>find the resources they needed to survive unless they, of

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<v Speaker 1>course brought them with them on voyages, which adds this

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<v Speaker 1>other wrinkle to these to these voyages that you would

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<v Speaker 1>have to bring things like pigs, chickens, etcetera. At the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, I want to drive home that there's no

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<v Speaker 1>one island environment here. There's a wide ver arriety in

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<v Speaker 1>the sorts of islands and island environments you encounter across

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<v Speaker 1>this vast region. Uh So the story is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little different each time. So again, in many

0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.000
<v Speaker 1>cases they had to bring important plant or animal species

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<v Speaker 1>with them, which of course is the same story you

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<v Speaker 1>see in land based migration, except with the challenges of

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<v Speaker 1>an open boat. And so you'd end up with this

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<v Speaker 1>first wave of invasive species on the island. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are often called canoe plants and canoe animals because again

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<v Speaker 1>that's how they reach their destinations. And ultimately we're talking dogs, pigs, chickens,

0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.840
<v Speaker 1>but also plants such as sugar cane, banana, coconut, taro,

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<v Speaker 1>and bab boo. So some of these plants that are

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, linked in the mind and linked culturally

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<v Speaker 1>to these islands that you have to remind yourself that

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<v Speaker 1>they were not always there. They were brought with them

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<v Speaker 1>with the people who settled these islands. Yeah, though personally

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<v Speaker 1>right now my mind is fixated on the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>having to make long sea voyages with like a canoe

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<v Speaker 1>full of chickens. Yeah, but it it was done. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we'll get into much later, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>order or to prove that these voyages were possible, they

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<v Speaker 1>had to do things like bringing animals with them on

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<v Speaker 1>the test voyages. So, uh, it's it's fascinating now on

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<v Speaker 1>this topic of of the the environments on these different

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<v Speaker 1>islands and how they weren't fully stocked life nourishing buffets.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that that David Lewis made an excellent point

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<v Speaker 1>in that book that you you mentioned briefly earlier. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So to name this book, I'm gonna be referring to

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<v Speaker 1>it throughout these episodes. It's one I've been reading that

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<v Speaker 1>is a seminal work in the history of studies of

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific island navigation. And this was originally published by the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Hawaii Press in nineteen seventy two. It was

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<v Speaker 1>by a medical doctor, sailor and scholar named David Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's called We the Navigators The Ancient Art of

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<v Speaker 1>Land Finding in the Pacific. I was published in seventy two,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think updated with some subsequent editions at least

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety four, and it may have gone through

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<v Speaker 1>other editions since then. But this is a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>book because its studies traditional Pacific navigation and land finding techniques,

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<v Speaker 1>not just by the the indirect evidence of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>like look at the history, but actually by putting them

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<v Speaker 1>to direct experiments, so navigating with experienced master navigators from

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<v Speaker 1>various specific islands and studying their techniques firsthand. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And and the point that that Lewis makes about the

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<v Speaker 1>stark environments was really neat because it meant that the

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous voyage to get to these islands and establish yourself

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<v Speaker 1>on these islands. You it didn't mean that you could stop.

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<v Speaker 1>In many cases, you would have to keep making voyages

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<v Speaker 1>because there were certain resources that you could not get

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<v Speaker 1>at the new island. But we're worth the dangerous journey

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire. Uh. The example that that Lewis brings up

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<v Speaker 1>is the lack of hard stone on the Cook Island

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<v Speaker 1>of Puka Puka, requiring journeys to take place, uh two

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<v Speaker 1>islands where hard stone could be acquired for use in

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<v Speaker 1>vital tool construction. And he writes that these would have

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<v Speaker 1>been complex trading cycles that would have also been influenced

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<v Speaker 1>by you know, other human factors like the since you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the desire for adventure, the um or, and also the

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<v Speaker 1>necessity of exile, which I found interesting, like ultimately the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of having a complex culture and cultural dynamics on

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<v Speaker 1>a single island. What what where do you send people?

0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Where do people run to? Uh? If if there if

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<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of political turmoil on the island, so

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:30.160
<v Speaker 1>contact sometimes remains in place because of that as well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into the specifics of of of navigation

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<v Speaker 1>in among Pacific islanders and the colonizing of Polynesia, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought we might briefly touch on some of the basics

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<v Speaker 1>of sailing and navigation is larger trends in human technology. Um,

0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.280
<v Speaker 1>we could easily do a proper even multi episode invention

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<v Speaker 1>episode about ships. But here are some of the key

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<v Speaker 1>dates provided in the seventy grade Inventions of the Ancient

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<v Speaker 1>World by Brian Fagan at all um a book I

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<v Speaker 1>refer to that refer to lot uh because it's really

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<v Speaker 1>good and again highly recommend people pick up a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Um but A Fagan and the various co

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<v Speaker 1>authors that he worked on with the various sailing and

0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:14.719
<v Speaker 1>ship based chapters, points out that seagoing watercraft just in

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<v Speaker 1>general dates back probably before forty thousand b c E.

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<v Speaker 1>In Southeast Asia and Indonesia. We see long boats from

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<v Speaker 1>Neanderthal cultures from seventy two hundred b c E. And

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<v Speaker 1>we see long grafts from seventh century BC and Mesopotamia. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>these are just general dates based on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>earliest evidence we have, and then as far as things

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<v Speaker 1>like plank boats and that goes back to like three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand BC in egypt Um. And then finally we get

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<v Speaker 1>up to the frame first boats in the second and

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<v Speaker 1>third century c E and in my in what is

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<v Speaker 1>now all England. And as far as sailing, we have

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<v Speaker 1>depictions of sales from thirty one b C. In Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>We see two masted ships from sixth century in b C.

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<v Speaker 1>B C in Egypt, and the oldest surviving sale comes

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<v Speaker 1>from the second century b C in Egypt. But again

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<v Speaker 1>these are just some of the oldest, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>direct evidence that we have or depictions, descriptions, etcetera. As

0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Fagan points out in the section on navigation with Sean mcgrail,

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<v Speaker 1>author of Boats of the World and professor of maritime archaeology,

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest voyages for our ancestors would have remained within

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<v Speaker 1>side of land. Landmarks and sea marks would have been

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<v Speaker 1>key to navigation, and we see this reflected in recorded

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<v Speaker 1>traditions and classical and medieval sailing manuals. Makes sense, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like if if any of us were

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<v Speaker 1>to set out on a boat into the water, I

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<v Speaker 1>would want to keep land in sight. I need to

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<v Speaker 1>know where that land is. So all of this early uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, oceanic activity would have taken place withinside of land,

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<v Speaker 1>and we depended upon things you can notice on land. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know your frame of reference reference was based on

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<v Speaker 1>the place you came from. Sure, But what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you leave side of land. Well, by the mid UH

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<v Speaker 1>set at millennium BC, sailors in the South Pacific were

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<v Speaker 1>of course doing this by means of what we call

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<v Speaker 1>environmental navigation. We'll be getting into this at length. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, at this point you have to travel

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.040
<v Speaker 1>beyond dependence on coastal landmarks and sea marks. But that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that there's not an order and a language

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<v Speaker 1>to the open ocean. And for those who had the

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom and the observational skills of the accumulated knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>their ancestors, they could plot their way by these cues,

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<v Speaker 1>They could recognize them, they could read the map of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. Now we'll get into the details of this

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<v Speaker 1>in a bit, but as Fagan and mcgrail point out,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find indirect references to environmental navigation methodologies in Homer's

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<v Speaker 1>the Odyssey, as well as in the medieval text of

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<v Speaker 1>the Life of St. Brendan, and environmental navigation would have

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<v Speaker 1>been used in some form worldwide by the first millennium CE,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when instruments began to pop up. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>we begin to use these various technological things to help us, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>make our way across the open water. But with the

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<v Speaker 1>navigators of the Pacific Islands, we're talking again about peak

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<v Speaker 1>environmental navigation, a level of advancement that exceeded anything else

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<v Speaker 1>in the rest of the world, anything else that the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world was capable of or had been

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<v Speaker 1>capable of, um aweing some of the first Europeans to

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<v Speaker 1>encounter such techniques and for a while seeming simply impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to some Western minds. Uh, you know that for a

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<v Speaker 1>while it just seemed impossible that, oh, the people who

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<v Speaker 1>were you know, that live in these islands, they must

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<v Speaker 1>be here by accident, they must be here by mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're merely survivors of the ocean. They're not masters

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<v Speaker 1>of its navigation. But as we'll get to they were.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the masters. That's exactly right. And that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main points that David Lewis makes in

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<v Speaker 1>this book We the Navigators. Um, he was responding in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways to kind of trends in scholarship on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the settlement of the Pacific islands that had tended

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<v Speaker 1>to say that, well, a large number of these islands

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<v Speaker 1>must have just been edtled and discovered by accident, right

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.440
<v Speaker 1>that maybe a fisherman or traders were out at sea

0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and they became lost, they drifted off course, and just

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.959
<v Speaker 1>by happenstance they drifted to new islands that hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>settled before, and then having discovered them, those islands could

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<v Speaker 1>be settled. Of course, it is possible that some islands

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<v Speaker 1>were discovered this way, but Lewis pushes back, arguing that

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually a pretty good evidence for a a program

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<v Speaker 1>of deliberate exploration and very accurate navigation by the sailors

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<v Speaker 1>of the time to to locate islands and and settle them.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe actually it's time to introduce this book more

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<v Speaker 1>fully that I've been reading because I wanted to mention

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<v Speaker 1>a number of things that he talks about in it.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, the book is called We the Navigators, The

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient Art of Land Finding in the Pacific. It was

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<v Speaker 1>first published in nineteen seventy two, and the author, David Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>was as I said, he was a medical doctor. He

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<v Speaker 1>was an experienced amateur sailor, so he had participated in

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, yacht races and things like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>a scholar. He was born in England, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>raised in New Zealand and Rairotonga in the Cook Islands

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<v Speaker 1>in the South Pacific, and Lewis had been a sailing

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<v Speaker 1>and kayaking enthusiasts for much of his life. He had

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<v Speaker 1>done some competitive sailing, including a Transatlantic single handed yacht

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<v Speaker 1>race in nineteen sixty and at least one circumnavigation of

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<v Speaker 1>the globe in a catamaran, and inspired by his experiences

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<v Speaker 1>with long sea voyages in small boats and his love

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<v Speaker 1>of Polynesian culture since his childhood, in the nineteen sixties

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<v Speaker 1>he got a grant from Australian National University to study

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<v Speaker 1>traditional Polynesian navigation techniques that did not rely on charts

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<v Speaker 1>or scientific instruments, and he did this research by learning

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<v Speaker 1>directly from several older Polynesian sailors and master navigators, experimenting

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<v Speaker 1>firsthand with voyages across the Pacific. With these navigators at

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<v Speaker 1>the helm or experimenting with what they taught him. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there are three basic versus of non documentary information

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 1>that he talks about. So one is shore based instruction

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>on ancient navigation techniques from knowledgeable navigators in the Carolinians,

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the Santa Cruz Reef Islanders and two groups of Tea

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<v Speaker 1>Copeans uh Niningo Islanders, Gilbert E's and Tongans. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he also gets instruction during navigation itself on his yacht

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 1>known as the is Bjorn, which is under the command

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<v Speaker 1>of two older master navigators who helped him with his research.

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<v Speaker 1>One is a man named Tevak of the Santa Cruz

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<v Speaker 1>Reef Islands and another is named Hippo Or of pula

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Wat in the Carolines. And I like the approach here

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<v Speaker 1>because actually, uh he opens his book by talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that understanding indigenous navigation of the Pacific has

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<v Speaker 1>been really held back by what he calls an overly

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>theoretical approach. You know, just people trying to uh look

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<v Speaker 1>at indirect evidence to understand how the navigation happened, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than doing firsthand voyages with the navigators themselves. Yeah, actually

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>diving into the the accumulated knowledge of these cultures on

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>navigation in some cases. So there's a lot of interesting

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff about this book. One of the interesting things he

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<v Speaker 1>mentions early on is he says, when he was growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in Polynesia, he says to his elder Polynesian cousins, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean quote was a homely and not unfriendly place.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's interesting because it I mean, obviously, as a

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>land lubber like me thinks the idea of voyaging out

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 1>on the ocean in a canoe is like, inherently just

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>sounds terrifying, right, But to some extent that is cultural.

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.959
<v Speaker 1>That's like, because I'm not used to the idea and

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to people that have a culture of of long ocean

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 1>voyages in small watercraft like these canoes and catamarans. Uh,

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not necessarily such a scary thing. I mean,

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>of course ocean voyages do always involve dangers, but under

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the guidance of these long tested, ancient navigational techniques, if

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what you're doing and you know where you're going,

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.719
<v Speaker 1>it is actually not necessarily a scary thing to do.

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 1>In fact, it could be a sort of joyful part

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>of your culture. But on the other hand, thinking about

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the ocean as a homely and not unfriendly place, this

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 1>might cause you to assume that spending a lot of

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 1>time at sea would would make ancient Pacific Islanders have

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 1>a kind of intuitive feel for ocean navigation that couldn't

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>be put into words the same way that you have

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of skills you have. You know, there

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things that if you do them

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 1>enough and you get good at them, you know what

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>to do and you can do it well. But you

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>couldn't necessarily explain to somebody else why you're doing what

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you're doing. But Lewis strongly resists this type of characterization

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>about Pacific Island navigation. He says it's, in fact the

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>exact opposite. He writes, quote one further notable feature of

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 1>what we were told and had shown to us was

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<v Speaker 1>that never once did anyone lay claim to any form

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>of quote sixth sense. A navigator had reason to believe

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.919
<v Speaker 1>that land lay over the horizon because he had observed

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>certain signs that told him so, not on account of

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 1>some vague intuition. And I think this is a really

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 1>important point to hammer home about how ancient Pacific Island

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 1>navigation worked. It wasn't that you've got a feel for

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>it and then you just instinctively knew what to do.

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>It was based on knowledge and well calibrated external signs,

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and so I think that means it It probably makes

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.360
<v Speaker 1>more sense to think of ancient Pacific navigation as more

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>of a science than an art. You're not just getting

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>a feel for things and relying on your intuition, but

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 1>referencing specific markers and indicators of your position. Though these

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>markers might be mostly invisible to people who didn't know

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>exactly what to look for. Yeah, I mean it makes sense,

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>right the science. You would need the science to get there,

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>because the the the ocean is ultimately unforgiving. You know,

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.040
<v Speaker 1>if you were just going on a gut instinct, you

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>might you might be right some of the time, but

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>if you get it really wrong once, then you might

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>not be coming back to shore exactly. And that really

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>comes through in studying these techniques. It is based on

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>specific markers, specific pieces of knowledge, specific cues in the environment,

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and a major point of of Lewis's book is how

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:25.119
<v Speaker 1>accurate these specific techniques and external markers were in the

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>hands of a master Pacific navigator. Who knew what they

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>were doing UM. He writes that navigators of Polynesia and

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Micronesia seem to employ basically all of the same techniques

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>with only slight variations. He says the only major differences

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>were the features of local geography, because a lot of

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>these um methods of navigation do rely on knowing where

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>specific islands in the area you're navigating are, so that

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>would be different depending on what island groups you're sailing between.

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>But otherwise the techniques are extremely similar, and he says

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that throughout Polynesia and Micronesia. He said that the techniques

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>were employed basically with the same level of effectiveness, measured

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 1>by the accuracy at landfall, which in general was highly accurate,

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>especially astonishingly accurate for not using tools and equipment that

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>are available to twentieth century navigators. Than now, I wanted

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>to come back to a fact I already mentioned once earlier,

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>but it's this astonishing figure that that Lewis gives talking

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>about the world of the Polynesians and the Micronesians, saying

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>that they inhabit a world of ocean. Again, if you

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 1>exclude New Zealand, this area of the globe has two

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>parts land to every one thousand parts water. And then

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>he mentioned something about this that I thought was really interesting.

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 1>He writes, quote, ocean spaces can inhibit contact, though terrestrial

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>features like mountain ranges may do so equally, but they

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>become highways rather than barriers as marine technology, especially navigation,

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>becomes effective. I had never thought about that before, but

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's exactly right. So you can have

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>various barriers to travel and communication between different regions and cultures.

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>But whereas a mountain on land is always a barrier,

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, even if you build a road through it,

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the mountain will still slow you down. You know, making

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>a road through it just makes it sort of less

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>of a barrier. The ocean is something that can transition

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>from a brick wall to a super highway. Once you

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>have the skill and the knowledge and the technology of

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to figure out where you're going and how to get there,

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and you have the right kind of watercraft, the ocean

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>turns into the most efficient method of travel in the world. Yeah,

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 1>that's an excellent point. Now, there's one thing that has

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>made studying Pacific islander navigation more difficult than it might

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>otherwise be, which is that in many of these societies,

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>or maybe all of them and definitely most of them. Uh,

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Navigational lore seems to have been something that was often

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>kept secret and only shared with a small group of

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>initiated experts. So it wasn't just that everybody in a

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>in a Micronesian or Polynesian society knew how to navigate

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>on the open ocean, but that you would have sort

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>of a class of educated navigators who would have this

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>this lore about how to get from place to place

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>within their brains and would be passed on to the

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>next generation of navigators. But it wouldn't be general knowledge

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that was shared by everyone. Yeah, and I think that

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>will make even more sense as we'd get into some

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of the details of say, navigating by stars and what

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>that entailed, you realize that this required specialized training and

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a specialized eye, and not everybody was going to necessarily

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>be cut out for it, and it wouldn't make sense

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>for everyone to to invest this level of time and

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>energy into the understanding of it, right. And it's interesting,

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly what all of the pressures leading

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>to it being a sort of specialized bit of of

0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>exclusive lore among a special class of of navigators would be.

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there might have been economic concerns keeping it

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>contained that way, or it might have just been sort of,

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the difficulty of training people to to

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>have all of this knowledge in their head. I'm not

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>quite sure, but that's an interesting question as well. Now

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>there's another thing that Lewis gets into in his book

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>which I thought was really interesting about Again, when you

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>just look at the problem of you look at a

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>map of the Pacific Ocean and you think, how could

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>it be possible to navigate you know, these vast distances

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>without you know, modern scientific types of equipment or charts

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of thing. And uh, And there is

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>one aspect of it that helps make the problem seem

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>more comprehensible, and it's this. Lewis writes that it is possible,

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>quote to sail to almost all the inhabited islands of

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Oceania from Southeast Asia without once making a sea crossing

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>longer than three hundred and ten miles. The only exceptions

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>are Easter Island, Hawaii and New Zealand, though the most

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>predictable routes between Eastern and Western Polynesia are also long

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>such isolated lands apart, the majority of gaps between islands

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and even archipelagos are well under three hundred and ten

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>miles and usually in the fifty to two hundred mile range.

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Since no one wants to cross more open ocean than necessary,

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it follows that most passages were of this order. So

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>if you know your Pacific geography and you know where

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the islands are and how to navigate to them, the

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>problem of crossing the vast ocean actually can sometimes be

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>decomposed into many smaller journeys between islands, and the vast

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Pacific ocean problem can be broken up into a kind

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>of stepping stone pattern. However, this does not mean that

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>ancient Pacific islanders were incapable of longer sea voyages. They

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>were not, and sometimes they did make them. Now, coming

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>back to the idea that Lewis pushes back against that

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>many of the islands of the Pacific would have been

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>settled initially through random drifts of people who found new

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.959
<v Speaker 1>islands by accident while drifting about after you know, becoming

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>lost or something like that. Lewis pushes back against that,

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and one line of evidence he sites is computer simulations

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of human spread and settlement through random drifts. He writes

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>of this subject quote Contrary to expectations, the results showed

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 1>that while accidental advent upon a number of island groups

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>was likely, drifts could not account for certain crucial contact stages.

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 1>These were virtually impossible except as exploratory probes and subsequent

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>deliberately mounted ventures. The probability of drifts occurring was negligible

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>or zero across the following seaways Western Melanesia to Fiji,

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Eastern Polynesia to Hawaii, New Zealand, or Eastern Island Eastern

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Polynesian contact with the America's in either direction, the probability

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>of their having been drifts from Western to Eastern Polynesia

0:34:56.520 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>and from Western Polynesia to the Marquesas zone was very low,

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and so here Lewis is arguing that not only were

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the navigators of the ancient Pacific Islands able to travel

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>uh with with great accuracy between known islands and island groups,

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 1>that they also appear to have mounted these deliberate, intentional

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:20.879
<v Speaker 1>exploratory ventures into new waters to find islands that had

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>not yet been discovered, and of course, in doing so,

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>would have the knowledge to be able to locate these

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>islands again upon you know, going back home and then

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>returning which again is astounding. Yeah, yeah, simply astounding. And

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of these the counter ideas, the ideas, yeah,

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>that that these had to be accidents, these you know,

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>these people that people could possibly have set out and

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>discovered these. I mean, it's such a I guess, a

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>landsman approach, you know, based on a you know, it's

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the kind of analysis that a culture that is that

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>is more situated on the land and and does not

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 1>view the ocean as the majority of the world or

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>their world. I keep coming back to this, uh analysis

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 1>that for the for instance, the Polynesians, most of the

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>world was ocean and and and generally that's not the

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of worldview you encounter with with with with Western civilizations.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>And now certainly you have certain you know, civilizations and

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>cultures within the civilizations that are more uh nautical and

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>more dependent on maritime traditions. But but even then it's

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's often the case that they are they're more

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>attached the land, they're closer to the continent, and in

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>these cases we're dealing with with with islands within just

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a vast world of water. Now, there's one big question

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that Lewis also addresses in his book, which is the

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>question of what happened to so much of this, this

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>ancient Pacific navigational knowledge. Right, clearly some people in the

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>twentieth century still possess it, but this seems to have

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 1>become increasingly rare. Uh. And you could easily blame the

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 1>import of foreign navigation equipment and techniques by other cultures. Right,

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>So if you have brought in charts and compasses and

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>things like that from from elsewhere, there's less need to

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.280
<v Speaker 1>rely on the ancient navigational lore to get from place

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>to place. But unfortunately it doesn't seem like that's the

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>only cause. It also seems that by the last few

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>centuries many island groups in the Pacific came to be

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>ruled by foreign empires, and those empires, in many cases

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 1>simply forbade travel between islands, Lewis writes in in one

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:31.240
<v Speaker 1>footnote in the book, quote the banning by European administrations

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of inner island canoe travel must have been a potent

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>cause of navigational decline. Voyages were forbidden, for instance, in

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:41.959
<v Speaker 1>the Carolines. In German times. It Illan attributed the loss

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>of traditional lore on Nningo to the effect of the

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Old German regulations prohibitions remain in force today and this

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>would have been in ninety two in among other places,

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the Tahiti group, and voyaging is strongly discouraged in the

0:37:56.680 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert's Not only must atrophy of knowledge have resulted, but

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>deliberate voyages had to be kept secret. Advent upon another

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>island was invariably attributed to accident. So this seems to

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>be one of the detrimental effects of various colonialisms on

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 1>on on the Pacific islands that it would have led

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to a steepening decline in the ancient navigational lore and

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>the passing down of this knowledge about how to navigate

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>by the stars and these other signs, because there was

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>simply less opportunity for people to navigate to you know,

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>go out in the open ocean the way they would

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>have before. Now it's interesting too, though, that there are

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.359
<v Speaker 1>exceptions to this uh as well. I was looking at

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>this on that that Hokolea website and over there that

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>they discussed and this is also discussed at on the

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>website for the Bishop Museum UM in Hawaii on the

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>island of Oahu, which is an excellent museum about various

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Polynesian cultures. And gets into a lot of what we're

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>discussing here. Definitely worth visiting if you if you make

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 1>it out to olaho um But that as as discussed

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 1>these on both of these sources, the art of deep

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>sea voyaging in Hawaii had it been extinct for several

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred years before contact with Europeans. So this period of

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 1>long voyages ended along with all contact with other Polynesian islands,

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and they lived in near complete isolation until seventy eight, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's fascinating as well. Yeah, so there could be

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a number of causes there. So there's also there's like,

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 1>in one sense, you could have a kind of natural

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.280
<v Speaker 1>atrophy of knowledge, and then there could be some loss

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>of knowledge by by imposition of colonial rule, and then

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 1>also some loss of knowledge by the introduction of alternative

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 1>methods for travel. But fortunately not all the knowledge was lost.

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>And so we have the accounts of of Lewis doing

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>this firsthand research with with master navigators like hip Or

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and and Teak. And I was going to get into

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>some of the specifics of of these navigation techniques in

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>this episode, but we're already running kind of long, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe we should all it there and then

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<v Speaker 1>come and talk about the navigation techniques in part two, Yeah,

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>how to read these environmental cues and engage in environmental navigation.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then also some of the history of

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:15.319
<v Speaker 1>proving it out and then what what that those experiments

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 1>those uh uh, those those voyages approved about history itself.

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