1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. All right, kids, 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: you ready like you? 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: You ready like you? Everything's ll let's go, we jump, 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: let's do it, let's do it. Here we go. 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: Suprema Sun Sun Suprema roll Calm Suprema Sun Sun Supremo. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 4: Roll call, Suprema. 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 3: Sun Sun Supremo, Role Calm, Suprema Son Son Suprema roll Call. 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: My name is Questlove, Yeah, and you are you Yeah? 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: And that's Team Supreme. 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: And he's forty two. 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: Supreme su Suprema roll Calm, Suprema su Suprema roll call. 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 6: My name is Fante Yeah, and I'm gonna keep it 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 6: roll yeah with the Realist President. 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, out of Arkansas. 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 3: Suprema Son Suprema, roll call, Suprema Son Son Supremo. 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 5: Role Call. 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: My name is Sugar. 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, first president I ever met. 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: Oh you just reminded me. 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 8: I haven't filed my taxes yet. 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 3: Suprema So Supremo. Roll call, Suprema So Suprema. 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 8: Roll call paid Bill. 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I got to thinking, yeah about my second 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 9: favorite bill. 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 8: Yeah, President Clinton. 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Suprema su. 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: Supreme So Suprema roll. 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 5: It's my ear yeah, and it's a special day. Yeah, 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 5: our first press. Yeah, Bill Clinton all Day. 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: Roll call Supremo, So Son Supremo, roll call, Supremo, Son Son. 34 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: Supremo, roll call. 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 10: My name is Bill. Yeah, Yeah, I know the drill. Yeah, 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 10: I'm glad to be here. Yeah, calls music is there? 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 10: Take it up? 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: Sun Sun Subpreme roll call Subpremo. 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: Sun Sun Subprema roll Calm Subprema, Son Sun Subpremo, roll 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: call Subprema Son Sun. 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 4: Subprema roll call. 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Congratulations, we have our first. 43 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: Here we go. 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: I will say, it's it's a point. We just do 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: a Griselda right exactly. It's amazing how the world works sometimes. Uh, 46 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: for no particular reason. You know, we we've been away 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: from each other for three years and decided, hey, it 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: might be cool for us to get back together and 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: do some stuff in person. 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: And then life throws you a curveball. 51 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: And I I will say, probably no less than twenty 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: four hours ago. 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: We got a call straight up. 54 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, because I was preparing 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: for another guest, and right before I went to sleep 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: last night, I read my itinery I'm like, wait a minute, 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: that's tomorrow. I thought that was like in the future, 58 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: because when you threw it at me, I was like, ah, 59 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: this will never happen. 60 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: So like no, we all went like what. 61 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: February thirtieth of Yah, nineteen seventy six, Like that's going 62 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: to happen. 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: I will be saying, yeah, this is happening. 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: And our guest today is the very first time that 65 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: you're nervous. Yeah, yeah, this is the very first time 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: I stepped in the voter booth to exerciseise. 67 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 5: Y rightsident voted for your age. 68 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: Time. 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 8: I wasn't Oh the second time. 70 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: Wait, how I don't know what your age is. 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: On papill I am eighty six years old, Okay, I 72 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: mean sometimes you seem younger than me. 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: Then when you have a beard. 74 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 8: It looks like you're accountant, right exactly. 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: So I don't know how old you are. But you know, my. 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 7: First vote was for ducacis believe it or not, that's 77 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 7: how old you are. 78 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: That's how old you are. Come up anyway. 79 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Live in CDM studios is where we are, and we 80 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: are very honored to have music lover musician uh and incidentally, 81 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: are the forty second president of these United States, William 82 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: Jefferson Clinton one A question to. 83 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 8: What is happening? 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: So, how are you today? 85 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 10: I'm good, I'm better now. This is I didn't find 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 10: out about this much before you. 87 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: You were like an hour before. 88 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Oh, let's let's hit down just a casual question, like. 89 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: What what did you do this morning? Like what's your 90 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: morning routine like as of lately? 91 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 10: Well lately, I get up in the morning and I 92 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 10: read the papers. I'm old five, I'll read the papers. 93 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 10: Get my phone and I read the papers I didn't read. 94 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 10: I read my local West Sister County paper and the 95 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 10: New York Times and paper. Then I read the Washington 96 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 10: Post online, and then I look and see what other 97 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 10: articles there are, and then I work puzzles for a 98 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 10: while because it's good for you. Like I do that 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 10: word puzzle in New York Times every day. 100 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: Are you a wordle person or a New York Times 101 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: crossword person or I. 102 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 10: Don't do that. I only do the cross word on Sunday. 103 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 10: But I do wordle, and I do the wordle nice, 104 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 10: and I do the spelling Bee, the spelling Bee every day. 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: I would like to think that I have an expansive vocabulary, 106 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: but you know, it's so frustrating. I give up after 107 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: like the seventh word unpaid bill. You strike me as 108 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: a person that can at least get to fifteen. 109 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 9: I can I go in on the the this one. Yeah, 110 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 9: I can't stop. It's just like you can. 111 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 10: It's pretty hard to do. 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 8: It was hard today. There was a lot of there was. 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 8: Every time there's an X, what, it's like, what the 114 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 8: hell's going to do? 115 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: What's a vow for today? 116 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 8: Well, there's a bunch of vwel so it's a. 117 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: What's in the middle? 118 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 9: Oh a, oh, well wait, and you'll say that's hard. 119 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 9: It was like I'm gonna no one's gonna listen. It's 120 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 9: like oxidation annotation notation there too. 121 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, during the pandemic, you'll be shocked at you know, 122 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: what you do for entertainment, especially because I was on 123 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: a farm with new cable. So that's when I started 124 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 1: my rabbit holing inside of crosswords. 125 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: And that sort of thing. So you're a word o person. 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 10: Too, Yeah, I started that later. I did that the 127 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 10: spelling bee for a long time and now normally around 128 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 10: dinner time, He'll and I'll get back together and between 129 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 10: the two of us we can get them all. What 130 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 10: so we have a conspiracy for spelling baby we didn't 131 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 10: do it yesterday, and I didn't get them all yesterday either. 132 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: So you like to do it at nighttime, around dinner 133 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: or first thing in the I'm the first thing in 134 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: the morning person. 135 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 10: I like to do it first thing in the morning, 136 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 10: and then whichever ones I don't have, I'll just put 137 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 10: it away and think about it and start working. Because 138 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 10: I do. I call people in the morning when I'm 139 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 10: fresh and thoughtful, and then I'm trying to finish two 140 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 10: books I've been working on and it's been very frustrating, 141 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 10: so I do that in the middle of the day. 142 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 10: I take time off and take away. I try to 143 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 10: take a walk every day. 144 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: My day is determined on if I'm able to solve wordle. 145 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 10: One thing that frustrates me. The other day I got 146 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 10: three of the five letters in order off the first work, 147 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 10: which I put in a rose. And I got three 148 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 10: of the first and I got R O and then E, 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 10: and I literally went through five permutations before I got 150 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 10: to write one. I was going nothing. 151 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to throw your right. 152 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 10: It was broke, I think was the wordle. And I 153 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 10: went through all you know wrote I don't know any 154 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 10: other words. That's what makes you feel you don't know 155 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 10: what he's dumb, unlucky, what's going on. 156 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: It has a way of determining how good or rotten 157 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: your day is going to be. So I try to 158 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: do it now in the afternoon. 159 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 10: So it can't spoil your morning. 160 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 161 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: See, you walked in with two albums and being as 162 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: though we're jazz fanatics here at Quest of Supreme, where 163 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what you brought to the table. 164 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: Why did you choose. 165 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 10: This is an old Sunny Rollins album. You can see 166 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 10: I had to type it up. I see, I had 167 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 10: it forever and it's the first one he did on 168 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 10: Brazilian music. I once told Rollins that I love the 169 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 10: album he did in Harlem in the late nineties. He 170 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 10: said it wasn't worth of them, and I said, what 171 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 10: was the matter with it? He said, I didn't learn anything. 172 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 10: I didn't do anything new. There. He is, you know, 173 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 10: at his age, and he's still doing things new. So 174 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 10: this is great. 175 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: What's the name of that album, President, It's Sounny Rowlings brings. 176 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 8: The jazz new rhythm from South America. 177 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 10: Oh okay. 178 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: Do you often get disappointed when you meet notable people 179 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: that have done things amazing that you think are amazing, 180 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: and then they're just dismissive of it. Like that often 181 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: happens here at the show, where you know, I say 182 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: the thing he did, and they'll just be like, man, whatever. 183 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 10: One of the things that I really loved when I 184 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 10: was president is nearly anybody, I'll come play for you 185 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 10: if you ask me. And one day I looked up. 186 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 10: I was sitting at my desk and I looked up, 187 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 10: and then we had the door open to the outside. 188 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 10: Dave Brewbeck was standing there and he was, you know, 189 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 10: getting you know, some award. Not the Kennedy Center War, Oh, 190 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 10: he got the National Medal of Arts that you're So 191 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 10: I went out and shook hands with him, and I 192 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 10: told him how much I liked him, And I said, 193 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 10: you know, when I was fifteen years old, you've played 194 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 10: about seventy miles from home. So I went to your 195 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 10: concert in Arkansas because he was friends with the guy 196 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 10: who was a great music teacher there, jazz fanatic. He 197 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 10: looked at me and kind of skeptically said, he said, 198 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 10: besides take five, what's your people? What's your favorite rubeks On? 199 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 10: I thought always giving me? I said blue Rondo. He said, 200 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 10: nobody knows that. I said, it's a great song. He said, 201 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 10: hum the bridge. 202 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 4: Oh, he's one of those people was so. 203 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 10: I hummed the Bridge for it, and three days later 204 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 10: he sent me a great autograph copy of the chart 205 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 10: and that still hangs in my music room today. Wow, 206 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 10: just because I knew the Bridge from BLUEO. 207 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: Wow, that's terrifying. 208 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 8: Yo, that's the one you know, don't want? 209 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 5: You know? 210 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: What does that? 211 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 4: Like? 212 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: Does that a lot of where I'll just take the 213 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: compliment and be like, you know, because they'll say something 214 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: skill like, yo, man, I have botle and then to 215 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: reach the person that actually wants evidence that you really believe, 216 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, what if it winds up being 217 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: a pie in the face moment and then you can't say, then, 218 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: how's the conversation going? 219 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: I'm glad you knew his history, right. 220 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 10: Me too. 221 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: What other records did you bring in there? 222 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 10: I got Dizzy Gillespie's New Way, which also has a 223 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 10: couple of resilient songs on it, including the Morning of 224 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 10: the Carnival from Black Corfea, which is one of my 225 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 10: favorite songs. I think it's one of the most beautiful 226 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 10: songs that were written a. 227 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 5: Love Brazilian music. Mister President was like, my favorite. Oh 228 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 5: I'm like this, No, no, I said the music, not that. 229 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 10: This is a record of Jimmy Smith. I think he 230 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 10: is the greatest sas organists who ever lived. And he 231 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 10: used to play at a place called the Cellar Door 232 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 10: in Washington when I was in college, so I would 233 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 10: go and listen to him, and the first time he 234 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 10: started playing, I thought that organ and was going to 235 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 10: walk out of this room all by itself. Oh, he 236 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 10: was unbelievable. What year was this, sixty four, sixty five, 237 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 10: something like that. And this is my favorite jazz samba record. 238 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 10: This is the first record done by Stan Gatz and 239 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 10: Charlie Birds out of Brazil. 240 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 7: So when did you fall in love with Brazilian jazz? 241 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 10: I was interested in jazz, and I started listening to 242 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 10: bigger jazz bands when I was six or seven years old, 243 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 10: and my folks had a record player and they'd go 244 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 10: away and I'd just get these records, just record after 245 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 10: record and sit there on the floor and listen to them. 246 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: So was your parents collection? 247 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 10: Yeah? And then I started ordering Downbeating magazine when I 248 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 10: was in grade school, and because they asked me, I 249 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 10: started out on clarinet, and they asked me to shift 250 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 10: to saxophone because the school needed a saxophone in the band. 251 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 10: And I fell in love with and I started reading Downbeat, 252 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 10: and I read it all through high school, and when 253 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 10: I could, i'd supplement the record collection. 254 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 6: You know, did you have aspirations of being a professional 255 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 6: musician or did you just love it? 256 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 10: Absolutely? Yeah, I would. I went to summer camp at 257 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 10: the university and they had some good teachers, and I 258 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 10: would sometimes play twelve hours a day. I inflayed, my 259 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 10: guns were practically bleeding, and I loved it. But when 260 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 10: I was sixteen, I looked in the mirror one day 261 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 10: and I said, will you ever be as good as culturing? 262 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 2: How are you the president? Talking yourself out of your 263 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: own dream? That young? 264 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 10: Oh? I didn't talk to myself. I was conflicted. I 265 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 10: wanted to do three things in my life. I wanted 266 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 10: to be a doctor that helped people that didn't have 267 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 10: access to healthcare. I didn't want to, you know, be 268 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 10: a rich doctor. I wanted to get out there. I 269 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 10: wanted to be Paul Farmer. When I grew up, I 270 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 10: wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to be a musician, 271 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 10: and I wanted to be in politics because I could 272 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 10: see when I was a boy how much conflict there 273 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 10: still was in America. So I remember like it was yesterday. 274 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 10: I was sixteen looking in a mirror, just begun to 275 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 10: shave felt big. And the reason I asked this question 276 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 10: is you couldn't make a living as a jazz musician 277 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 10: in the sixties unless you did the clubs. You know, 278 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 10: nobody had these massive record contracts. You didn't a jazz 279 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 10: musicians didn't feel, you know what like Kenny g later 280 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 10: made a lot of money, you know, going around. You 281 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 10: couldn't make a living unless you did the clubs. And 282 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 10: so your chances of becoming addicted to drugs were roughly 283 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 10: three times your chances of having a successful family and 284 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 10: raising kids that were healthy. I mean, you had to. 285 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 10: It was a big risk. As Cole Traning and lots 286 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 10: of others found out, he was a genius. 287 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: Have you ever got to witness him in person? 288 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 10: No, I never heard Cold Training in person. I do 289 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 10: have at home an autographed album that a friend of 290 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 10: mine found for me, where his face is like has 291 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 10: gone into running paint, fascinating looking album. I never heard him. 292 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 10: I never heard gets I did herb Alfred he gets 293 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 10: his last saxophone and he had it in a safe. 294 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 10: So he sent me a note when I got elected, 295 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 10: and he said, if you come out here, I'll let 296 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 10: you play it. But I never got to do it. 297 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 10: But anyway, I just thought that it wasn't worth the risk. 298 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 10: And I did love it, but I had a sort 299 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 10: of troubled home growing up, and I knew i'd be 300 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 10: disappointed in my life if I didn't, you know, have 301 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 10: a child and do a halfway decent job. 302 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 5: And a musicians not the talary that's going to happen. 303 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: How old were you when you left Arkansas? Like how 304 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: long did you live there before you went to college? 305 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 10: From my birth, I was born in a little town 306 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 10: of Arkansas, and then we moved to a bigger town 307 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 10: when I was six after the first grade, and I 308 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 10: stayed there until I graduated from high school and I 309 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 10: went to college in Washington for four years. Then I 310 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 10: lived in England for two years, which was a. 311 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: Great part of What part of England did you live? 312 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 10: I was in school in Oxford, so I got a 313 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 10: scholarship to go to school there, and that was great 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 10: because it was in the middle of all the Vietnam 315 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 10: War to do, you know? And I kept waiting to 316 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 10: be drafted every month and I was called once, but 317 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 10: the law allowed you to finish the year you were 318 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 10: in if you were in school. And then the lottery 319 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 10: came in. I got a high number. 320 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 5: Did you go to the club scene a lot in 321 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 5: London when you were living there and going? No? 322 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 10: But I went to. Like we were talking about concerts, 323 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 10: I tried to find whatever music I could, and I 324 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 10: remember the most memorable one for me was when Mahaja 325 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 10: Jackson played the Albert Hall, which is this great old 326 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 10: Victorian venue, and you know, the country England was deeply divided, 327 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 10: America was deeply divided. Everybody was upset, kids were cynical, 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 10: and all of a sudden, I go to the but 329 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 10: I was determined to hear Mohata Jackson. So I go 330 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 10: with a friend who knew nothing about her music. I said, 331 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 10: you're going to love this. You thank me for the 332 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 10: rest of your life. So were we got a seat, 333 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 10: you know, pretty far back. But I looked around and 334 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 10: most of the people there were young people. And she 335 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 10: started singing, and by about the third song, half the 336 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 10: audience was crying I mean, she was so enormously powerful. 337 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 10: She just was She just radiated her. 338 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 5: Still gospel music, right, you think to be a bunch 339 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: of kids. 340 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 10: Then at the end of the performance, they stormed the 341 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 10: stage and they were like seven or eight deep right 342 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 10: on the stage, screaming like they were groupies at a 343 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 10: rock concert and begging her to keep singing and begging her. 344 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 10: And she sang another song or two and then finally 345 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 10: had to leave. You know, but and she was just 346 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 10: her standing alone on the stage. You know, the way 347 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 10: she did it was amazing. It was one of the 348 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 10: most amazing concerts I ever saw. Just she was something. 349 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: Well I wanted to know, like what your music experience 350 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: was in Arkansas, like because you seem pretty open minded 351 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: to just art and all that stuff, Like how does 352 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: one do that from Yeah. 353 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 10: Well it was we weren't all the same. You know, 354 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 10: it's not like it even today. It's more well to 355 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 10: the right of where it was in the nineteen seventies. 356 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 10: Most Southern states are in the small towns in rural 357 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 10: areas because of what's happened to the information ecosystem and 358 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 10: a lot of other things. But I remember when I 359 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 10: went to the BREWBYX concert. I was telling you about that. 360 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 10: He was friends with the band director down there who 361 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 10: had worked with Stan Kenton and when they did all 362 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 10: that groundbreaking musical work. You know, in the fifties, there 363 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 10: were always chances to do that. I've Ray Charles once 364 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 10: when he was kind of on the slow circuit in 365 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 10: a little venue in western Arkansas. When I was in college, 366 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 10: I heard Ray Charles sing where Marion Anderton did in 367 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 10: Constitution Hall. She wanted to sing in Constitution Hall. You 368 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 10: remember that Daughters of American Revolution drove her out. So 369 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 10: Harold Ikey's the interior secretary for Roosevelt, whose son worked 370 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 10: for me in the White House. Amazing. He gave her 371 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 10: the Lincoln Memorial, the famous When Ray Charles came in 372 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 10: nineteen sixty seven, he sang in Constitutional Hall. And I 373 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 10: call this woman that I had just met, and on 374 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 10: a lark, I asked if she wanted to go to 375 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 10: this concert. She was about six feet tall, and we 376 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 10: got we can. By the time I got the tickets, 377 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 10: we had to sit way up in the back on 378 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 10: the second floor and we were only there were fewer 379 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 10: than ten white people there. Yes, it was unbelievable, though 380 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 10: I never forget he played, you know, his repertoire, and 381 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 10: he saved Georgia till near the last, and he plays 382 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 10: the introduction on the piano and didn't do anything. He 383 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 10: holds it in the crowds and then finally he just 384 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 10: reaches up to microphone he said Georgia like that, and 385 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 10: the crowd went nuts, just nuts, and it was And 386 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 10: I was so excited at that Ray Charles concert. I 387 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 10: remember it was June the twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven. 388 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 10: I so remember where it was that I stayed up 389 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 10: till three o'clock in the morning. I couldn't go to sleep, 390 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 10: and I went out and raided three in three miles 391 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 10: so I could sleep a little. And I saved that 392 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 10: ticket stub for I don't know ten fifteen years. I 393 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 10: kept it in my billfa wow. And I was so 394 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 10: grateful that I finally got to meet him, you know, 395 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 10: when I was president, and we became friends. And Quincy 396 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 10: Jones was helpful to me because he was a friend 397 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 10: of mine. And you know, he and Charles knew each 398 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 10: other in Seattle when Quincy was fourteen and Charles was seventeen, 399 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 10: and Ray Charles got himself all the way from Central Florida, 400 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 10: where he was a boy as a blind man, because 401 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 10: he was not blind in his early years, but he 402 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 10: was blind, and he took a bus. He said he 403 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 10: wanted to get as far away from Central Florida as 404 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 10: he could without having to leave the country. So he 405 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 10: went to Seattle, and Quincy said, you know, I decided 406 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 10: I could make it music. I mean, here's this blond 407 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 10: guy who's seventeen, and he's got his own apartment. He's 408 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 10: got three suits in the closet, and he's got a girlfriend. 409 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 10: And that was a great story, and I genuinely came 410 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 10: to not only admire, but have an enormous affection for 411 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 10: Ray Charleson a couple of weeks before he died, and 412 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 10: this is long after I left the White House and 413 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 10: I knew he was sick, his young staff person called 414 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 10: my office and said, Ray wants to talk to President Clinton. 415 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 10: Can you do it? And I said sure, anytime, you know. 416 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 10: So he called me, and I knew he was sick, 417 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 10: and it was pretty well public by then. He didn't 418 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 10: talk about any of that. He had no interest in 419 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 10: talking to He said, I'm just calling a few of 420 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 10: my friends. Feoful, I want to talk to, you know, 421 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 10: one more time, and we shot the breeze for like 422 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 10: twenty minutes. 423 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 5: What did that feel like if even you going to 424 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 5: your younger self and realized that Ray Charles called you 425 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 5: like and he wanted to call you before some things happened. 426 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, and he knew he was going to die. Yeah, 427 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 10: but he didn't want to talk about that. He wanted 428 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 10: to just talk about life with people that he had 429 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 10: And I forget, I think there were twelve or fifteen 430 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 10: people he just called that he wanted to talk to. 431 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 10: And I always thought he was something special. 432 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 5: What was the moment did you think the music community 433 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 5: he talked about being friends with Quincy Jones and Ray Charles, 434 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 5: and I'm curious when they learned that you were beyond 435 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 5: a passer by. 436 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: Was it like the. 437 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 5: Sax moment on our Senior? Did everybody realize like he 438 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 5: is not just a fan, He's a part of his community. 439 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 10: Well, I got a little of that on Johnny Carson, 440 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 10: you know with it Johnny Carson was I bombed at 441 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 10: my speech at the Democratic Convention in nineteen eighty eight, 442 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 10: and we don't have time for me to explain what 443 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 10: I bombed? 444 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: And so Carson hen hence Ducacus. 445 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 10: A woman actually is very interesting the people. This shows 446 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 10: you the difference in commentary. People that heard the speech 447 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 10: on the radio were ninety percent positive about it because 448 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 10: it was not interrupted. I got hundreds and hundreds of 449 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 10: letters from people who are in the radio. But anyway, 450 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 10: a woman named Amy Baker, who just passed away a 451 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 10: couple of years ago, a wonderful woman was working for Carson, 452 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 10: and she called a friend of mine in California and said, 453 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 10: I think Clinton should come on the show. He said, 454 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 10: I think Johnny would like him, and he said, he'll 455 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 10: let me take a ribbon. They talked, and I said, 456 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 10: and he never lets politicians come on the show anymore, 457 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 10: so we need him to play something so we can 458 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 10: use it as an excuse. I think we played Billy Holidays, 459 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 10: God Bless the Child, and maybe Heartbreak Hotel. We played something, 460 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 10: but I played anyway, really, and then Carson takes out 461 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 10: an hour glass and you know what those like three 462 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 10: minutes was. It turns it up and the sad starts 463 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 10: running out. And I said, well, I want to thank 464 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 10: you for giving me a chance to come here and 465 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 10: finish my speech. So we had a great time and 466 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 10: then I did our Sinio. 467 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 5: Okay, so we didn't know about Carson's. 468 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, this happened. 469 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 10: Yes, then uh so our Sineo. You know knew I could. 470 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 10: It was halfway to be halfway decent if I played 471 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 10: and I wasn't playing really much. Then I think we 472 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 10: did my funny Valentine and Summertime. I think that's what 473 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 10: we played. 474 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: You did Elvis song. I think you did Harbrey tell 475 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: that part. I do remember on the commercial break. 476 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 10: Well, Elvis was my secret service code name. 477 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: Okay, oh wow, that's when. 478 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 10: I was running for president. I literally could sing the 479 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 10: Jordanaires background to every single Elvis Presley song. I remembered 480 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 10: long sections of dialogue from Love Me Tender and you 481 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 10: know all that stuff. I liked him, and if you 482 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 10: saw Baz Lrman's film about him, we did one thing. 483 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 10: The film finally showed once why Presley was so close 484 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 10: to the black community and why he deliberately sang in 485 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 10: the Ghetto and some other songs. He didn't have much politics, 486 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 10: but he felt pretty strongly about civil rights because he'd 487 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 10: grown up on the edge of the black neighborhoods in 488 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 10: Tupelo and and he had, you know, the voice of 489 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 10: a generation. 490 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 5: Can't wait for you to see the Little Richard documentary 491 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 5: where he he Lord Richard says Elvis actually told him 492 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 5: behind the scenes that you are basically the reason that 493 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 5: I am here, and no. Richard was like, well he's. 494 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 2: In all out right. 495 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 10: Well he was great, Little Richard. I was. 496 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 6: I was curious to know about the Arsenio performance because 497 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 6: this was in the nineties, so it's pre Twitter, pre 498 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 6: you know, going viral, so to speak. So how did 499 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 6: your team know, like after that performance, what were the 500 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 6: markers then of like, yo, we killed that, Like how 501 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 6: did you see the impact of it on your campaign? 502 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 10: A lot of it was like primp media commentary and 503 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 10: people are calling in, calling to all your headquarters. You know. 504 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 10: We used to send out our idea of rapid response 505 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 10: because we had a system. We had ten thousand people 506 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 10: throughout the country that we sent fax machine factions to 507 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 10: every day. We sent them facts as they says, here's 508 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 10: what we need to push today, and they would call 509 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 10: their local newspapers, they would call their local radio stations 510 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 10: and try to get the message out, or they would 511 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 10: write a letter to their local newspapers. I mean it 512 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 10: seems so. It seems like creaky today. 513 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 8: That that wasn't so far away. 514 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 10: We we were, you know, we did the best we could, 515 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 10: and you know, I think there were some good things 516 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 10: about the eighties and the nineties. It's still most towns 517 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 10: had their own newspapers, and they were pretty much on 518 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 10: the level. You know, they could be in real right 519 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 10: wing towns or real liberals towns, but they were built 520 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 10: newspapers pretty well on the level. And they would give 521 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 10: you access if you showed up, and they would say 522 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 10: what you said and then and if they dumped on you, 523 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 10: they would do it on the editorial page. They wouldn't 524 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 10: twist the news story. It was very different than that. 525 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 10: Almost every town of any size had their own locally 526 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 10: owned radio station. It meant a huge difference. I mean, 527 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 10: I might not be here if it weren't for that. 528 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: All right, I got a question, and you know, I 529 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: was trying to figure out again with twenty four hour 530 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: less than twenty four hour warning, you don't know like 531 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: what angle we're going to go in. And this brings 532 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: me back to if you remember, on the internet, they 533 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: started this trending question like would you rather have half 534 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: a million dollars or a dinner with jay Z. 535 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: What would you choose? 536 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: And no, But the thing is is, like you know, 537 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: it's either would you rather get wisdom on how to. 538 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 5: Run the game and create your own. 539 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: Game or just whatever? Just give me the money. 540 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: Money, okay, but the timeout, but I got but my 541 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: question aazy would tell you to take the money. 542 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 10: No. 543 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: But you know, since we have you here, and I 544 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: feel like at least for the five of us, and 545 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: by the five of us also mean like the community 546 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: that listens to this particular podcast, all of us, I 547 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: feel are either in our pivot moment in our lives 548 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: or in our career, Like all of us do something 549 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: notable here, Like he was part of the Hamilton team, 550 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: and you know, he's been a long time engineer, She's 551 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: been radio hosts, he's been like a hero to many 552 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: in the hip hop community. And now we're kind of 553 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: at this place in our lives where we're sort of 554 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: flirting with leadership roles. And you know, I would like 555 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: to ask you, as a person who sort of volunteered 556 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: for this life, to be a leader in all those things, 557 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: because it comes with a lot from what from the 558 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: outside looking in or I don't know if I'm inside 559 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: thinking I'm outside looking in. It seems like one a 560 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: thankless job to be a leader. And I'm not just 561 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: talking about president. Let's take it down. Why would you 562 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: ever want to subject yourself to having to always think, 563 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: quick on your feet, always having the answer, having to 564 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: whatever the metaphorical term, reach across the aisle, to speak 565 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: to someone, to nuanced a relationship, to do a long 566 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: dinner just for that one person, and you got to 567 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: do it like one hundred times. I guess I'm basically 568 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: asking is like all of us are right now sort 569 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: of at the bottom, looking at whatever our mount Fiji 570 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: or whatever the mountain is that we see, why should 571 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: we want to be a leader, Like, what is the 572 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: what's the motivation? 573 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 10: Most of life is a social experiment and a social experience. 574 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 10: So if you feel strongly about something and you want 575 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 10: to impact your cha answers are much better if you 576 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 10: can lead a pack that agrees with you. And I 577 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 10: think that's really important that all these questions no one 578 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 10: can answer but the person affected. But I think it 579 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 10: starts with how you keep score. I mean, we all 580 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 10: keep score, whether we admit or not, we keep score 581 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 10: on ourselves. I wish I were a little taller. I 582 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 10: wish I little say, if I'd had Lebron's body, I'd 583 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 10: have gone a different line of work. That kind of stuff, 584 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 10: you know, we do that. So if you keep score 585 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 10: in a way that is at all other directed, then 586 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 10: if you get a chance to lead, you have to 587 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 10: do it and people won't resent you if they see 588 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 10: that it's other directed. I mean to me, I decided 589 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 10: when I got into this, I said, why are you 590 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 10: doing this? And I realized I had to face some 591 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 10: way of keeping score. So I keep score as follows. 592 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 10: Are people better off when you quit than when you started? 593 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 10: The children have a broader future? And are things coming 594 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 10: together instead of falling apart? And if you can answer 595 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 10: yes to all three of those questions, I think your 596 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 10: life's a runaway success. Even if you have heartbreak, even 597 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 10: if you fail, even if you make colossal mistakes, and 598 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 10: if you make enough decisions and you live long enough, 599 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,239 Speaker 10: you will make mistakes. I think that's it. But if 600 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 10: you if you keep scoring any way that is other director. 601 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 10: You want to increase people's love for music, You want 602 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 10: to increase people's understanding of the social impact of music. 603 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 10: You want to get people who never thought about how 604 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 10: America got started to see it through as they can feel. 605 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 10: And you do, Hamilton, you know you did. Whatever it is. 606 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 10: There's a price. 607 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 7: You should be president, So bad news. Guys care about 608 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 7: other people and not just not just ourselves. 609 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: Hang on a second. We got to let this go. 610 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: I knew it was coming. I knew I was coming 611 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: my team music when I say something brilliant go. 612 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 5: Ahead, you didn't mean an interrupt miss President. We finished 613 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 5: with your thought? 614 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay. 615 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: Well, as of this taping, you know, we lost, Yeah, 616 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: one of the most crucial leaders of someone that I 617 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: looked up to because the role that Harry Belafonte played 618 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: and social change, right, you know, because I don't want 619 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: to have to like what I'm previously. What I'm known 620 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: for now is just like hey, a hustler. I'll do 621 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: this job and that job and this project and that project. 622 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm wondering, like at sixty, at seventy, 623 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: like what is my life going to be? And right 624 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: now I'm thinking like, okay, I want to get into philanthropy. 625 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of like working my behind off now 626 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: now so that I can be in the position to 627 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: be that person when I get to my sixties. And 628 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: also I'm also trying to get out the place where 629 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: like I'm writing my future down, like okay, ten years 630 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: from now, I'm gonna do that. I'm now learning a 631 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: lesson where I wake up every day and just like this, 632 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: like this was definitely not on my Bengo cart list, 633 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: like at all, this conversation, but things like this have 634 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: been happening to me almost consistently for the last two years, 635 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: where you know, I'm such a meticulous planner and this 636 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: is what I'm doing. This is how my future is 637 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: going to be, and then universe like kicks over and this, no, 638 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: this is what you're actually going to do. So you know, 639 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: as far as Harry Belafonte's concerned, that's kind of how 640 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: I thought. Okay, that might be the path I go, 641 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: where I plant ideas in people and then they implement 642 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: these things and change happens, be it we Are the world, 643 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: or the civil rights movement or even Beach Street, right, 644 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: even Beach Street. 645 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 646 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: I just you said keeping score, and for me, keeping 647 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: score means that there are two sides, and you have 648 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: to be a coach to do that. And the way 649 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: that politics is now, it's enough to give me pause 650 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: and just be like. 651 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, let me just cut a check and. 652 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: Hide in the woods, you know, Like I've never been 653 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: the hide in the woods person, but I brought a 654 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: farm three years ago, thinking like, I need a place 655 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: in the woods to hide in case the worst case 656 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: scenario happens. So me, personally, I'm just on the prespice 657 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: on the line of like, do I have to be 658 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: that person? Do I have to be the heir of 659 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: Bellafante that's no longer here, or do I just hide 660 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: behind somebody here and you do it? 661 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: Like what would you say, because. 662 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,479 Speaker 10: I would say, do you need to do a little 663 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 10: bit of both? Let me explain what I mean by that. 664 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 10: Harry Belafani work his way into what you might call 665 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 10: direct action where he's marching with doctor King. But I 666 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 10: was thinking that I was telling on hell the way 667 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 10: drownd here today. I remember one of his earliest movies 668 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 10: when he was still a Calypso king, and he was 669 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 10: a beautiful man. God knows he was beautiful, and so 670 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 10: it's sort of a proto colonial movie. I'm embarrassed I 671 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 10: can't remember the name of it. But he's a guy 672 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 10: in the Caribbean. He's interested in what's going on in 673 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 10: this country, and this white lady sort of falls in 674 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 10: love with him. And when they did this movie, it 675 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 10: was a pretty brave thing to do to deal with 676 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 10: all that. There wasn't many movies dealing with all that. 677 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 10: So he made his statements in the movie and it was, 678 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 10: as a matter of fact, a good movie. And he 679 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 10: did a good thing. And then he used what he 680 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 10: had earned to start marching and getting involved with these 681 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 10: other things and doing it. I want to say something 682 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 10: almost contradicts what I told you earlier. I do think 683 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 10: you have to know how you're going to keep score, 684 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 10: and then you lay out a plan. But people ask 685 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 10: me all the time about how did I survive these 686 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 10: tough campaigns or what do you do when you're president? 687 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 10: And I remember when Hillary ran for the Senate from 688 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 10: New York, nobody asked her or her opponent, what are 689 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 10: you going to do when they bring down the World 690 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 10: Trade Center? So life is always happening to you. So basically, 691 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 10: you have to think about what you just said. And 692 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 10: I think it's a good thing you bought a. 693 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 2: Farm, by the way, But oh, I'm right next to you. 694 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 2: Trust me. 695 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 10: But let's just take a politician, say vote for me 696 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 10: from mayor and I will do one, two three. Okay. 697 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 10: Then you get in and George Floyd gets killed on 698 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 10: your streets or you're way up north. But for the 699 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 10: first time ever, a tornado takes out half your town 700 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 10: because of climate change, it's moving to Coronados North. Okay. 701 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 10: So you say, how should I think about this? Well, 702 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 10: first of all, you have to be heartless not to 703 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 10: deal with what's happening that you didn't plan for. But 704 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 10: if you don't also do what you said you would 705 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 10: do when you ran, the people that were your most 706 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 10: ardent supporters may feel let them and you may feel 707 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 10: let them. So life is a constant struggle to do 708 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 10: what you said you do and what you plan to 709 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 10: do deal with the incoming fire that you never expected. 710 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question real quick before you go. 711 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 5: We're going to probably be planning this interview back around June, 712 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 5: which is Black Music Month. I wanted to mention this 713 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 5: because although President Carter was the first one to invite, 714 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 5: of course, the Black Music Coalition to come to the 715 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 5: White House, you, my friend, were the one who signed 716 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 5: the order and invited Jimmy jam Terry Lewis, Deana Williams, 717 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 5: the Isley bro This to come to the White House 718 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 5: and make it official. Can you talk about that? 719 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 10: Yeah? I remember that. First I wanted to do it, 720 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 10: and secondly it was another excuse to get people to 721 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 10: come see me, he thought. I mean, I was a 722 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 10: huge Brothers friend and I love this whole heart of mine. 723 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 10: I get it out every now and then just play 724 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 10: it again. There are all these songs you have, songs 725 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 10: you replay from your life, don't you. I think, Nina Simons, 726 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 10: I wish I knew how it would feel to be three. 727 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 10: It's the best recording of that song, and it's the 728 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 10: best little known song of the civil rights era. And 729 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 10: when I get really down, I just put it on 730 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 10: and play it. But anyway, that's what I wanted to 731 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 10: say about it. I didn't I want to make the 732 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,240 Speaker 10: point I was trying to make before. How whatever anybody's 733 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 10: listening to us, you worry about how much money is 734 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 10: it and what am I going to do? People need 735 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 10: to worry more about how am I going to do it? 736 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 10: If you're going to keep score in terms of other 737 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 10: people's lives, and your impact on it. You have to 738 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 10: worry as much about how you're going to do it. 739 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 10: That's what you're gonna do, and how much money you 740 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 10: have or don't. 741 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 2: Beautiful, what's the stuff you listen to when you need 742 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 2: to get up? 743 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 10: Oh? For once in my life, it's like Stevie Wonders 744 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 10: in my life. 745 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 7: One last jazz question from me with regards to the 746 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 7: saxophone Oliver and Nelson. Are you an Oliver Nelson fan? 747 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 2: Yes? 748 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 7: So there's an albumin Impulse called a tribute to John 749 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 7: Fitzgerald Kennedy. I was just wondering if you've ever had 750 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 7: that one? 751 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 8: No, check it out that. 752 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's class. 753 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 10: I got a bunch of those albums. 754 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oliver Nelson, Pharaoh Sanders. Were you a fan of 755 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 2: his as well? 756 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 10: Oh? Yeah, you know he had Arkansas connections. Yeah, he 757 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 10: want to talk to his family when he died. 758 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: You're reminding me that I'm doing my first chow in 759 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: Arkansas in four days. 760 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: You are ever, Yeah, but the roots have never. 761 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,479 Speaker 1: Went to you Arkansas. I think we're going a little rock. Yeah, 762 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: there's a festival down there, so it'll be interesting to 763 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: see you. 764 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 10: You'll like it. They'll be that's a good town. 765 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to see it. So this, if you want to. 766 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 10: Go to my library, let me know. I'll set it 767 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 10: up right there. 768 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 2: I might do it, Yes, no doubt, I will absolutely 769 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 2: do that. 770 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 10: And there's an uh we just opened the new Arkansas 771 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 10: Art Gallery, which is old and it's beautiful really and 772 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 10: a brilliant woman architect named Jenny Gang from Chicago did it. 773 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 10: It is a fabulous place. 774 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 2: I shall be going there. 775 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 5: How big is that vinyl collection? You didn't tell us? 776 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 4: Like? 777 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 5: How many records you gotten? Where you keep those things? 778 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 4: Oh? 779 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 10: I keep them in home with my in New York. 780 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 10: I've got probably I've got over one hundred of these 781 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 10: in New York. But I also have that many in Arkansas. 782 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 10: There's an apartment upstairs in the library, and I've got 783 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 10: them there. Okay, so I still play. 784 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: Them there you go, Well, sir, yeah, this could actually 785 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: go in for twelve hours and we wouldn't care. But 786 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: your people were like, nah, you got to wrap it 787 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: up now, so on behalf of Fontigelo and Laya and 788 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: Sugar Steve and unpaid Bill. 789 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, President Clinton for gracing our show. 790 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 5: Yes, oh you didn't get to President you didn't get 791 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 5: to tell about your summer or soul. Dan, We're supposed to. 792 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 2: Talk about next time. Okay, Part two, Thank you very much. 793 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For 794 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 795 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.