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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, and welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. And right now you have a dog that

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Speaker 1: is misbehaving and rogues. People think I need a dog trainer?

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Speaker 1: What is the only name you can come up with?

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Speaker 1: The only ones? Can you think of a second dog

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Speaker 1: trainer that lives down the street from you, across the country,

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Speaker 1: and another I can't name another one?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's no other dog liss there. He is the

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Speaker 2: dog whisper.

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Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't whisper during this interview we got

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Speaker 1: in the studio right now, the man himself, the dog

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Speaker 1: whisper missus steves alone.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, I earned the title.

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Speaker 1: Now is it possible? Are are there any people out

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Speaker 1: there who are just not dog people?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Really?

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Speaker 1: Now what makes someone it's not a dog person?

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Speaker 3: I don't know I made them not another person. But

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Speaker 3: what I can tell you is there's three kinds of humans,

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Speaker 3: right is the ones who love dogs, the ones who

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Speaker 3: are afraid of dogs, and the ones who don't like dogs. Wow,

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Speaker 3: you can look at it in the pitbull world, right

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Speaker 3: because some people love pitbulls, some people are afraid of pitbulls,

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Speaker 3: some people just don't like pitbulls. But that's not just

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Speaker 3: in the breed, it's also in the dog. Some people

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Speaker 3: just don't like dogs and they're afraid of dogs.

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Speaker 4: Can you sense that in someone when you first meet them,

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Speaker 4: Because people will say, I'm not a dog person, or

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Speaker 4: I'm not a cat person, or do you just with

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Speaker 4: all the.

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Speaker 3: Work, they're very obvious a dog in the room. They're

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Speaker 3: obvious without a dog in the room. Because there's no triggering,

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Speaker 3: you can't get a feel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you can well do dogs know when they're dog?

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Speaker 3: Is like an X ray machine of your spirit and

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Speaker 3: your instinct and your heart and now your mind. They

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Speaker 3: don't know what you do for a living, but they

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Speaker 3: just know how your spirit is, how your health, which

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Speaker 3: is your instinct and your heart. How much are you loving? Low? Medium? High? Right?

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Speaker 3: Everything is has a you can measure it low, medium, high.

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Speaker 3: You can be happy low, medium or high. So Doug

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Speaker 3: will comments and sense okay, Documan is kind of happy.

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Speaker 3: Do I hear you? Right?

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Speaker 1: Can you not fool a dog?

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Speaker 3: We can't cat a dog. You can't fool God, your

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Speaker 3: mom and a dog.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I got my dog. He's a multipoo.

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Speaker 4: I actually researched breeds because I was going through cancer

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Speaker 4: and everyone in the house was really sad, and I said,

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Speaker 4: you know what, we need a dog to bring everyone's

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Speaker 4: spirit sup. That wasn't maybe the smartest idea for me

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Speaker 4: in the middle of chemo to be training a dog

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Speaker 4: and dealing with potty training a dog. But I survived,

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Speaker 4: We all survived. But I picked him because they said

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Speaker 4: that breed especially can sense when someone's feeling sad or

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Speaker 4: pain and will come to you. He'll go to the

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Speaker 4: saddest person in the room, and it's proven to be

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Speaker 4: true eleven years later. If you're upset or sad, he

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Speaker 1: He always sits next to me in the house.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know this was the he does.

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Speaker 2: He loves you. He comes to you because he knows

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Speaker 2: you need some comforting, right.

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Speaker 3: And forth exactly.

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Speaker 2: But how do dogs sense that? Do you have an

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Speaker 2: idea that?

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Speaker 4: Obviously I know you don't directly communicate with them, but

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Speaker 4: if anyone would know, it would be you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not the breed, because you know, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of dogs that go to hospitals and they're

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Speaker 3: not specifically a breed. It's just that particular dog has

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Speaker 3: the gift right, and most of the dogs that have

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Speaker 3: the gift to outlift people that are not feeling well

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Speaker 3: as the middle of the pack, the happy go luckys right,

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Speaker 3: Because there's three positions in the pack. Back of the pack,

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Speaker 3: middle of the pack, front of the pack. So if

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Speaker 3: you're going to bring a front of the pack into

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 3: You say so the middle of the pack, those are

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Speaker 3: uplift people. So back of the pack dogs become way

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Speaker 3: So it's not the breed, it's the position of the

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Speaker 3: So if you have like Sei Shires, you get a

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Speaker 3: see it. So if you if you're a person with

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Speaker 3: If you're a police officer, you get a front of

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Speaker 1: Can I ask or are people trained well enough to

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Speaker 1: identify that is so specific with you?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: It might be commonplace for among folks that do that will,

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Speaker 1: But do people like in a hospital or whatnot? Do

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Speaker 1: they know when they bring in a dog, are we

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Speaker 1: doing enough research to make sure we're getting the right

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Speaker 3: They call it temperament. I call it position of the pack.

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Speaker 3: It's easier to see a sensitive dog. You see what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's like and the guy we can see

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Speaker 3: when the guy is back at the back, we can

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Speaker 3: see the guy. You know what I mean. It's assessment

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Speaker 3: and evaluation of the guy what he was born to be.

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Speaker 3: And the same thing is with the dog. But people

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Speaker 4: How much of someone's dog? Is it a reflection of

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Speaker 4: the human owner or the family dynamic, all of it?

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Speaker 2: They take it on.

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Speaker 3: A dog is a reflection of three things. Your energy,

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Speaker 3: your philosophy, and your actions. Just like a kid. I'm

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Speaker 3: a father, so my kid are going to reflect my energy,

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Speaker 3: my philosophy, my actions with dogs. Wow, therefore my dogs

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Speaker 3: are going to reflect my So my what's my energy?

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Speaker 3: My energy is silence, calmness, confidence, love, George five. So

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Speaker 3: when I am silence, they reflect that. But when I'm

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Speaker 3: all of them, they reflect that obviously, right, And then

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Speaker 3: the philosophy is I practice dog psychology. I don't practice

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Speaker 3: human psychology and a dog most people do, Oh my.

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Speaker 4: God, it's a baby.

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Speaker 3: Just go for a walk and the dog is in front.

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Speaker 3: I was just walking in you know, right now in

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Speaker 3: That's this connection, he says. So I'm pretty sure how

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Speaker 3: how those people when they when they begin the ritual

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Speaker 3: for a walk, they create excitement.

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Speaker 2: So I do that. So you've seen me do that.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, brody, want to go outside and swagging.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she said the ship to me once.

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Speaker 3: She just doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Know that is actually a true story. He goes, I'm

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Speaker 2: not Brody. My name is Tej.

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Speaker 3: Please don't talk to grown men.

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Speaker 2: But it's cute because in fact, we come back from

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I let him run to the door of the apartment,

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Speaker 4: like let's run, let's run, And I always like to

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Speaker 4: have him come into the and it's cute because you

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Speaker 4: just this joy.

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Speaker 2: Is that bad?

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Speaker 3: Listen? Don't? Oh, it's not bad, because human gets a

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Speaker 3: lot of joy out of it. But most of the

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Speaker 3: time the dogs begin to become a little confused because

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Speaker 3: the human uses a lot of excitement like horse people

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Speaker 3: do the opposite. Horse people are more quiet and more calm,

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Speaker 3: and then they walk the horse. Right. But dog people,

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Speaker 3: you go for a walk and you said, no horse

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Speaker 3: person will ever do that ritual. It's a ritual.

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Speaker 2: I so do that.

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Speaker 5: That's a ritual. So dog people you in America. That's

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Speaker 5: why I have a show for twenty years. The hardest,

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Speaker 5: the hardest habits to break is human habit. And they say,

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Speaker 5: I watched the show Caesar, and I read your books. Okay,

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Speaker 5: let me see you with your dog.

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Speaker 3: Sons. The to do no size ears. They do ear

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Speaker 3: size nose because they humanize the dog. And you know

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Speaker 3: humans with ears eyes want to hear things.

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Speaker 2: Why is that not a good thing to do? What

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Speaker 2: I have been doing for eleven years?

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Speaker 3: And then what is the right thing, because listen, you

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Speaker 3: So no size ears, that's what they need, right. So

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Speaker 3: silence and calmness first. Once you achieve that, and you

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Speaker 3: go for a long walk and come back, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: can celebrate. So do the excitement at the end of

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Speaker 3: for people who have least reactive dogs or dogs who

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Speaker 3: you see. So what you begin to do is just

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Speaker 3: it more like a Charlie chaplain way of talking than

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Speaker 3: you know, the energy buddy language.

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Speaker 4: I have always been frustrated because multiple people will walk

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Speaker 4: he ends up trying to walk me, which I cannot stand.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone likes that happening. So I've been

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Speaker 4: a little frustrated. We had him trained initially, but not

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Speaker 4: just been frustrated with not being able to communicate or

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Speaker 4: effectively discipline Brody to not walk me and not to

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Speaker 3: And pull me. But do you have a harness on it?

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Speaker 2: I had just a leash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's perfect. Yes, that's actually how you guide a doctor.

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Speaker 3: So the best way to see who guides the dog

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Speaker 3: the right way with the tool like a leash is

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Speaker 3: that from Achiuaua to a great Day, and they all

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Speaker 3: wear a leash other in the top. The leashes for

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Speaker 3: three things. To guide the dog, to stop the dog,

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Speaker 3: to park the dog looking what the horse? They guide

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Speaker 3: the horse, they stopped the horse, they park the horse.

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Speaker 3: That's the same leash. So then the mind of the

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Speaker 3: of the animal becomes conditioned that that's what that thing

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Speaker 3: is for to be guided. That's when you walk the

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Speaker 3: dog to stop, that's when you pull the leash up.

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Speaker 3: So that's when a dog show they pull the leash

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Speaker 3: up and then the brains stopped like a statue. Never

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Speaker 3: pull the leach back because that engaged the pull.

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Speaker 2: Oh I never pulled it up.

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Speaker 3: I do pull it back, yeah, And so at the

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Speaker 3: moment it's a reaction of the brain. So how you

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Speaker 3: pull the react But if you do this, they stop.

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Speaker 3: That's why in a dog show they pull up with

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Speaker 3: two fingers from a Chihuahua to a great day. Best

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Speaker 3: in show wins because the guy guided or the girl

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Speaker 3: guided the right way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, pull up. I've never tried that ever.

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Speaker 3: Before you pull because what you want to inject through

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Speaker 3: it it's calmness, no brody, Yes, that's about it.

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Speaker 4: I've done that before, except for I pulled back. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I knew that the failure was on my part.

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Speaker 3: So all those.

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Speaker 3: Correct? The dogs? The business is to train humans, smart humans.

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Speaker 3: So most of my clans are very smart, Harbor graduated,

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I thought, well, I know how to parent,

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Speaker 4: that didn't translate into being as effective as I want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't need the words. You can know the

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Speaker 3: need to hear, they just need to feel it, so

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Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that every you mentioned Central Park,

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody we see you walking your dog is

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Speaker 3: When you are connected to the to the phone, you're

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Speaker 3: you have. When you are connected with the dog, you're

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Speaker 3: He's not on the phone, he's somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: They're connected homeless people, homeless people in La. We have

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Speaker 3: America are junking. I get to have a TV show.

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Speaker 4: Is there a single biggest mistake that dog owners make?

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Speaker 3: Well? Not to check on their energy, not to understand

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Speaker 3: Because a dog needs three things right, like a kid.

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Speaker 3: And explore? Follow play, explore? So those three activities is

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Speaker 3: they play and explore. But there's rules, boundaries and limitations.

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Speaker 3: What about rewards, Well, the reward is that you're a

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Speaker 3: good human. That's a good reward. Right. Your patience is

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Speaker 3: Because you want to feed the spirit. How do you

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Speaker 3: do you fit instant? You bring leadership? How do you

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Speaker 3: feed the heart? What you give heart? You see it?

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Speaker 3: So that's a reward.

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Speaker 2: I love that. So you're not into treats, Yeah I do, But.

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Speaker 3: I'm a treat too. My house is a treat, my

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Speaker 3: ranch is a treat. I can't forget that. I'm already

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Speaker 1: I'm use that line on you one day.

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Speaker 3: I'm a treat. I love that.

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Speaker 4: Hey, it works both ways, all right. Obviously TJ was

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Speaker 4: just teasing there. He already knows that I already know

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Speaker 4: he is the tree. So it's not important. But we're

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Speaker 4: dog Whisper and TJ, you asked him a very interesting question.

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Speaker 1: This is one that everybody wants to know. The most

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Speaker 1: famous dog whisper in the world exactly how many dogs

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Speaker 1: does he has? And yes it is in the double digits.

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Speaker 1: But even if you don't have a dog, folks, you

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Speaker 1: want to hear part two of our conversation with Caesar

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Speaker 1: Milan because it's not just about making dogs better dogs,

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Speaker 1: about making humans better humans. Look for part two. It'll

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Speaker 1: be posted right after this episode here on Sunday,