1 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Navajo County Deputy Sheriff Chuck Ellison was sitting down to 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: eat dinner with his wife when the telephone rang. The 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: voice on the other end was hard to read, both 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: frantic and oddly hesitant at the same time. Ellison asked 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: the caller to calm down and start again by telling 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: him who he was. It was Kenny Peterson, came the 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: speedy reply, and they needed the police right away. As 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Peterson went on to explain, he and his Forestry Service 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: co workers had been clearing a section of Arizona's Apache 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Sitgreave's forest earlier that night when something inexplicable had occurred, 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: and now one of their crew was missing. But when 12 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Ellison pushed for more details, Peterson paused for a moment 13 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: before replying that perhaps it would be better if they 14 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: could explain it to him in person. Ten minutes later, 15 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: after apologizing to his wife for having to leave so suddenly, 16 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: Ellison pulled into the parking lot of Wilbur's Market shopping 17 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: center in Haber, a small junction town about one hundred 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: and fifty miles northeast of Phoenix, Arizona, where he'd agreed 19 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: to meet Kenny. It didn't take long for the deputy 20 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: to spot the man at His colleagues, Mike Rodgers, John Goulette, 21 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Alan Dallas, Dwayne Smith, and Steve Pearce all gathered together 22 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: in an anxious huddle by the entrance, still covered in 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: dust and debris from the day's shift. At least two 24 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: of the group was struggling to hold back tears. In 25 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: no mood to mess around, Ellison asked the men to 26 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: explain exactly what was going on. They all looked sheepishly 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: toward each each other, as if they didn't quite know 28 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: what they were going to say to him, until finally 29 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: Mike began to speak. The twenty eight year old Mike 30 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: was an independent contractor and the crew were his responsibility, 31 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: so too, ultimately was the man who was missing. His 32 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: name was Travis Walton, who also happened to be Mike's 33 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: best friend. Ordinarily, they would never have left him behind 34 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: up there in the forest, but as Mike tried to 35 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: explain to Ellison, these were far from ordinary circumstances. You're 36 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: listening to unexplained and I'm Richard McClain Smith, like the 37 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: rest of Mike Roger's crew. Twenty two year old Travis 38 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Walton lived in Snowflake, a farming town located about thirty 39 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: miles east of Haber with a population of just over 40 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: two and a half thousand. It was founded by Mormon 41 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: settlers in eighteen seventy eight and was comprised largely of 42 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: low rise houses and small local stores, all overshadowed by 43 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: the huge red bricked Church of Jesus Christ of Latter 44 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: day Saints that dominated the town square. Delinquency was not 45 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: looked on lightly by the community, nor was any one 46 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: who deigned to be a little different. Back in nineteen 47 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: seventy one, Travis, who with his long hair was dismissed 48 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: by many as a feckless hippy, and a friend were 49 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: convicted of forging payroll checks from a local company. The 50 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: pair were given two years privation and forced to pay 51 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: the money back. In a town as small and god 52 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: fearing as Snowflake, such reputations were hard to shake. Those 53 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: who knew Travis, however, knew a different story. Some of 54 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: his school teachers even considered him one of the smartest 55 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: pupils that they'd ever taught. After dropping out of Northern 56 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: Arizona University a few years previously, Travis had been picking 57 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: up work wherever he could find it. When Mike Rogers, 58 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: a forestry contractor with nine years experience, procured another of 59 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: his United States Forest Service contracts, Travis jumped at the 60 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to join the team. The job was to clear 61 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: one thousand, two hundred and seventy seven acres of thick 62 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: scrub brush from a section of the Apache Si Grieves 63 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: National Forest known as Turkey Springs, which was about ten 64 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: miles into the pine covered mountains just to the west 65 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: of Haber. That Wednesday, November fifth, started out just like 66 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: any other day, as one by one Rogers collected each 67 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: of his crew members in his battered Crew Cab International 68 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: from their homes in Snowflake, then headed off on their 69 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: forty mile journey into the mountains. With it being November, 70 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: there was always a slight chill in the air first 71 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: thing in the morning, but it soon heated up when 72 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: the sun came out. Though the work was arduous, cutting 73 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: back all new growth less than six inches in diameter 74 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: and gathering it up into great slash piles, Travis never 75 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: tired of being up there on that mountain ridge with 76 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: the fresh air in his lungs, wild horses galloping through 77 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: the trees all around them, and that ancient forest stretching 78 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: out below, older than the people whose name it took, 79 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: older even than God themselves. Hours later, with darkness returning, 80 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: and so too that light chill in the air, the 81 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: men called it a day. Gathering their tools, they slung 82 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: them into the back of Mike's truck before piling in themselves, 83 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: Travis and Kenny up front with Mike, while the others, 84 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: all smokers, sat in the back, gleefully lighting up. Mike 85 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: switched on the engine, bathing the narrow forest road ahead 86 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: in the light of the head lamps, and eased out 87 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: of the clearing. They'd barely made it two hundred yards 88 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: along the rugged forest track when Alleyn broke in from 89 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: the back. Hey, what is that, he said, pointing toward 90 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: a soft glowing light coming from out of the trees 91 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: to the right. Have you guys never seen the moon? 92 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: Mocked Kenny, only as the others were quick to point 93 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: out the moon was already sitting high in the sky 94 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: above on the other side of the truck. The soft 95 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: white glow grew brighter as they continued on, slowly edging 96 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: ever closer toward it, now no more than a hundred 97 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: yards from its source. The light bled out across the 98 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: road before them, but frustratingly, whatever it was remained obscured 99 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: by the trees until eventually they reached a clearing and 100 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: they were finally able to see it, a large disc 101 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 1: like structure roughly twenty feet wide and eight feet high, 102 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: hovering a good fifteen feet above the ground. It was 103 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: so close they could even see the detail on its surface, 104 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: how it was divided into a series of thin panels 105 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: with a thin, darker band that seemed to circle all 106 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: the way around it, and how its glow appeared to 107 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: be coming from inside. Before Mike had even brought the 108 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: truck to a stop, the side door was opened and 109 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: Travis was gone, hurrying off toward it. The others yelled 110 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: for him to back, but Travis just kept on going, 111 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: edging closer and closer toward it. Then came a strange 112 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: noise that seemed to emanate from the craft, high pitched 113 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: at first, before steadily shifting into something much lower, like 114 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: a vast turbine engine. When suddenly a blinding blue light 115 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: shot out from the disk, holding Travis in some kind 116 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: of grip, with his body now completely rigid. He was 117 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: slowly lifted a good foot into the air and suspended 118 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: there for a moment before being flung hard onto the ground, 119 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: skidding shoulder first into the stone and dirt, and there 120 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: he lay completely still. That was enough for Rogers, who, 121 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: with four kids of his own and the rest of 122 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: his crew to worry about, turned the key and tore 123 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: out of the clearing as fast as the truck could go, 124 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: And then they were racing through the trees, bouncing over 125 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: the dirt track at speed as Rogers did his best 126 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: to keep the thing on the road, with the rest 127 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: of the crew screaming for him to keep going faster 128 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: and faster, until it was just one bend too many, 129 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: With a huge pine tree looming up before him, Rogers 130 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: pulled hard on the wheel and brought the truck slamming 131 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: into a pile of bulldoze dirt by the side of 132 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: the road. The men looked frantically about for any sign 133 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: of the strange craft, but saw nothing but the frigid 134 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: dark and the bright half moon above. And for a 135 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: moment there was silence, and then all hell broke loose. 136 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: We've got to go back, yelled Kenny. No way, said Steve, 137 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: as tears streamed down his face. We've got to get 138 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: out of here, Kenny's right, said Mike, wiping his eyes 139 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: with the back of his hand. Only then had it 140 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: dawned on him that, without even thinking, he'd abandoned his 141 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: best friend alone out there with that thing, whatever it was. 142 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: We're going back, he said. Finally, you can either come 143 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: with me or you can wait for me here. With 144 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: no one willing to take their chances in the forest alone, 145 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: they headed back to look for Travis, but by the 146 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: time they got to where they'd last seen him, he 147 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: was gone. And that, as he finished explaining to an 148 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: utterly perplexed Deputy Ellison, was when they decided to call 149 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: the police. After hearing the men's story, Deputy Ellison reluctantly 150 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: relayed it back to Sheriff Marlin Gillespie at the Navajo 151 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office in Holbrook, another forty mile drive north 152 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: of Haber. Though Ellison was quick to clarify that he 153 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: didn't believe any of it, he had little doubt the 154 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: men had experienced something traumatic. Less than an hour later, 155 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: Sheriff Gillespie arrived with Deputy Kenneth Coplin in tow and 156 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: Mike's crew repeated their extraordinary story for the second time 157 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: that night, but Mike was getting impatient. They needed to 158 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: get back up there and search for Travis. Kenny and 159 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Allan were keen to join, but by then Ball, John, Dwayne, 160 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: and Steve, who at seventeen was the youngest of the group, 161 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: wanted to do was go home. Taking Mike's truck, they 162 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: headed back to his house to let his wife know 163 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: what had happened, while the remaining three joined the sheriff 164 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: and his two deputies and headed back toward Turkey Springs. 165 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: It took a while to find the exact spot again, 166 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: but soon the men were out in the cold air, 167 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: flashlights in hand as they scoured the ground for any 168 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: sign of Travis. But the men found nothing. No scarred 169 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: or broken trees other than the ones the team had 170 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: cut down, no scuff marks in the dirt, no sign 171 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: of Travis's bootmarkings. Neither did they find any pieces of 172 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: clothing or any blood for that matter. It was almost 173 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: as if no one had ever been there at all. 174 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: All that was clear was that Travis was gone. Sheriff 175 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Gillespie ey'd Mike and his men with suspicion Clearly Travis 176 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: hadn't been abducted by a UFO, so what then exactly 177 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: had taken place and if he was still alive out 178 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: here as the men claimed he might be. It was 179 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: an awfully cold night to only be wearing plaid and denim. 180 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: Ellison notified more deputies and members of a local volunteer 181 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: organization to join in the search, but by midnight there 182 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: was still no sign of the missing man. Growing increasingly desperate, 183 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: rogers suggested it was time they notified Travis's mother. At 184 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: fifty seven years old, Mary Kellett had raised Travis and 185 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: his five siblings on her own after making a living 186 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: running a boarding house in Phoenix. By nineteen seventy five, 187 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: she divided her time between her home in Snowflake and 188 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: a cabin in Bare Springs, a stretch of woodland a 189 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: good ten miles to the southeast of Haber. It was funny, 190 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: she thought, as she watched Deputy Copland's car pulling up 191 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: outside the cabin. Just earlier in the day, she'd been 192 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: overcome with the strange conviction that something terrible had happened 193 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: to her son, Travis, when Mike stepped out of the 194 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: vehicle whom she knew well a good friend of Travis's. 195 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: Her worst fears were confirmed. Once inside, Coplin watched as 196 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: a clearly distraught Rogers explained to Mary about what they'd 197 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: seen that evening and how Travis had disappeared. It was odd, 198 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: thought Copland, how calm Mary seemed to be in the 199 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: face of such unusual and disturbing news, almost as if 200 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't news to her at all. About an hour later, 201 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: Coplin made his goodbyes and headed back to Sheriff Gillespie 202 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: to report his findings. In the meantime, Rogers drove Mary 203 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: in her car to her daughter Alison's home in Taylor, 204 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: a town just south of Snowflake. Alison, who lived with 205 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: her husband Grant Nef, was especially close to Travis and 206 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: was understandably devastated to hear the news. Skeptical of the story, however, 207 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: she demanded to hear again from Mike exactly what had happened, 208 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: but he could only tell her what he knew. A 209 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: few hours later, unable to wait any longer, Mary called 210 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: her son Dwayne at his home in Phoenix to give 211 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: him the worrying news. 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Among them were a group of 237 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: US Forest Service personnel drafted in for their knowledge of 238 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: the local area. Mike Rodgers, Kenny Peterson, and Alan Dallas 239 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: were back too to help with the search. That morning, 240 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: the thirty or so search team, starting from the point 241 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: that Travis was last seen, began the laborious task of 242 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: scouring the forest for any sign of him, a search 243 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: that would eventually encompass a region of roughly a mile squared. 244 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: As the forestry workers scoured the area for any sign 245 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: of unusually broken trees or foot markings, it was hard 246 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: to ignore just how dry the whole area was, with 247 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: some of the dead brush piles being almost a year 248 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: old and the floor carpeted in dry pine needles. Though 249 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: no one gave it much credence if some kind of 250 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: craft had indeed lifted off from around there, the whole 251 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: place would have gone up in flames elsewhere, Sheriff Gillespie 252 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: and Deputy Ellison were looking for something a little different, 253 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: Trying to square the obvious distress shown by Mike and 254 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: his crew the previous night with the ridiculous cock and 255 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: bull story they had given them. Gillespie and Ellison had 256 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: got to thinking could it be whether it was premeditated 257 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: or the result of a tragic accident That the men 258 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: knew only too well where Travis was, after all, because 259 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: they had buried his body. As the two police kept 260 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: one eye on the men for any sign of suspicious activity, 261 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: their other was kept firmly on the ground, looking for 262 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: any sign of recently disturbed earth or fresh piles of 263 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: dirt and of course blood. Later that afternoon, Mary and 264 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: Dwayne also joined the search, with May seeming once again 265 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: far too calm for Deputy Copland's liking. By the afternoon, however, 266 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: the search teams were yet to find anything. With little 267 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: else to go on, Sheriff Gillespie suggested contacting the nearest 268 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: firewatch tower. Perhaps they had seen something that night. At 269 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: the very least, it would end all the ridiculous talk 270 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: about UFOs. Sadly, however, the guards stationed at the tower 271 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: only a few miles to the west, had gone off 272 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: duty at five PM. The search continued the next day, 273 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: this time with the help of search dogs from Arizona 274 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: State Prison, but still no evidence of Travis's whereabouts or 275 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: any sign that any unidentified flying object had been in 276 00:19:51,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: the vicinity was found. On Saturday morning, Gillespie was back 277 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: in his office in Holbrook when a kafuffle was heard 278 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: in the reception running through. He was startled to find 279 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: Dwayne and Mike Roger's demanding to know why no one 280 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: was up on the ridge looking for Travis. The pair 281 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: had gone out to join the third day of the search, 282 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: only to find nobody there. Having begun to suspect that 283 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: some kind of hoax was being played out, Gillespie was 284 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: somewhat taken aback by the evident concern and passion in 285 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: Dwaine and Mike's demand. Within an hour, the search was reinstated, 286 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: with horses, jeeps, and a rescue helicopter brought in for 287 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: good measure, having flown in helicopters during his time in 288 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: the military. That afternoon, Dwane joined the helicopter crew in 289 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: the air, peering down at the gaps in between the 290 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: trees for any sign of his brother. He couldn't decide 291 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: whether to be worried or relieved when by the end 292 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: of the day they'd once again failed to find anything. 293 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: Back in Snowflake, a Volkswagen van pulled into the town 294 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: square to join the throng of news vans and other 295 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: unfamiliar vehicles that had been steadily descending on the town. 296 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: By then, news of Travis's disappearance and the unusual explanation 297 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: behind it had spread far and wide, with many journalists 298 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: and UFO enthusiasts keen to investigate the wild story for themselves. 299 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: One such enthusiast was Fred Sylvanus from Phoenix, who for 300 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: the past twenty years had conducted field research for the 301 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: Arizona Regional UFO Project. That afternoon, Fred was put in 302 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: touch with Mike and Dwain, who agreed to join him 303 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: in his van for an interview. Mike began with an 304 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: account of the craft they'd seen, how pretty it had been, 305 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: like a fancy new car, he said, and how he'd 306 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: been almost mesmerized by just how beautiful a thing it 307 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: was to look at. Then Dwain chimed in with something unexpected. 308 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: He had also seen one almost identical to what might 309 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: described in Broad Daylight twelve years before. Not only that 310 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: he and Travis had discussed UFOs at great length and 311 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: what they would do if they ever got close to one, 312 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: which was what asked Fred, they would try to establish 313 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: contact with it. Of course, came Dwaine's reply. It was 314 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: an alarming admission to Sylvanus, since he was previously under 315 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: the impression that none of the men involved had any 316 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: prior interest in UFOs. In his experienced opinion, evidence of 317 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: such interest was often a red flag where stories of 318 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: apparent sightings and abductions were concerned. And then came another 319 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: troubling revelation, this time from Mike. As it turned out 320 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: he and his crew were wildly behind schedule on their contract. 321 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: Having already received one extension, the crew were struggling to 322 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: meet their second deadline, as Mike let slip to Sylvanus, 323 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: perhaps with all that had been going on, the Forestry 324 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Service might be willing to offer them a second extension. 325 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: There was just one final question, said Sylvanus, before wrapping up. 326 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: Where did the pair think that Travis was now? Wherever 327 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: he is, said Dwayne. It is not on this earth. 328 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: Many in the town had been uttering it among themselves, 329 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: but it was Snowflake Town Marshall Sandford Flake who said 330 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: it the loudest that all this talk of UFOs and 331 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: Travis Walton being abducted was complete rubbish. Some put this 332 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: down to an ongoing grudge with Travis due to a 333 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: disagreement from a previous year, but either way, Flake was 334 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: determined to put an end to the nonsense. Having deduced 335 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: that Travis had orchestrated the whole thing in collaboration with 336 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: his brother Dwayne, using some kind of balloon to fool 337 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: his colleagues, Flake became convinced that he was merely hiding 338 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: out at his mother's cabin in bear Lake. In the 339 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: days since Travis's disappearance, Marshall Flake made a number of 340 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: unannounced visits to Mary Kellett's cabin, hoping to catch the 341 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: family out, one time, even bringing a documentary crew with 342 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: him from the United Kingdom, but Mary could only tell 343 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: him what she had told everyone else, that she had 344 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: no idea where her son was. Such rumors were becoming 345 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: a struggle for the rest of Mike's crew, who who 346 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: couldn't step outside their homes without being harassed by reporters 347 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: or neighbors telling them to give up the hoax and 348 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: tell the truth about what happened. On Monday morning, with 349 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: Travis now having been missing for five days, Mike Rodgers, 350 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: Kenny Peterson, John Goulette, Steve Pierce, Alan Dallas, and Dwayne 351 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: Smith received an ominous request to assemble at Sheriff Gillespie's 352 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: office in Holbrook. The men arrived on the assumption that 353 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: they would be giving another statement about the events of 354 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: the previous Wednesday. What they found was something a little different. 355 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: Greeting them alongside Gillespie was Arizona Department of Public Safety 356 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: employee Si Gilson. Gilson also happened to be an expert 357 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: in polygraph testing, and he was there to give them 358 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: a lie detect a test. Steve Pierce went white at 359 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: the sheer mention of the device. It was just as 360 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 1: his mother had been telling him. It didn't matter if 361 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: he had anything to do with Travis's disappearance. This was 362 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: how the law really worked. They were going to try 363 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and pin something on him, and one way or another, 364 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: if Steve wasn't careful, he would not be leaving that 365 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: station anytime soon. Alan Dallas also grew suddenly nervous, a 366 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: reaction not lost on Sheriff Gillespie, as the Sheriff then 367 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: explained to them, since they had no evidence to back 368 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: up any of their claims, he'd been forced to take 369 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: drastic action. If they couldn't find Travis, at the very least, 370 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: he could dismiss their ridiculous story, and if they were 371 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: telling the truth, none of them had anything to worry 372 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: about anyway. Having been observing the men closely since they arrived, 373 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: Gilson was quick to pick out Steve, the younger and 374 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: clearly most anxious of the group, as a possible weak link. 375 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: If they had indeed concocted the whole thing up together, 376 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: it was Steve, he reasoned, that was most likely to 377 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: break Alone in the interview room, Gilson took a moment 378 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: to calibrate the equipment, then asked for Steve to be 379 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: sent in. After nervously taking a seat, Gilson proceeded to 380 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 1: connect Steve to the machine, pulling the wires tightly across 381 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: his chest, before asking him to sit up and try 382 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: his best to relax, And then, after switching on the machine, 383 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: Gilson began, did you cause Travis any serious physical harm? 384 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: Last Wednesday? Afternoon, asked Gilson, as the graft paper spoiled 385 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: out endlessly under the needles. No, said Steve, quickly, looking 386 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: anxiously towards the fragile arms of the machine as they 387 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: flickered lightly across the page. Gilson nodded to himself, then 388 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: jotted something down in his notebook. I'm not lying, said 389 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: Steve with quiet determination, Ignoring him. Gilson continued, do you 390 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: know if Travis Walton was physically injured by some other 391 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: member of your work crew last Wednesday? No, said Steve emphatically. 392 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: And then do you know if Travis Walton's body is 393 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: buried or hidden somewhere in the Turkey Springs area? No, 394 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: came Steve's emphatic reply. Again. Then, finally, did you tell 395 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: the truth about actually seeing a UFO last Wednesday when 396 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: Travis Walton disappeared? Steve looked Gilson in the eye, and then, 397 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: after only a moment's pause, yes, he said. One after 398 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: the other, Mike's crew came and gave their answers to 399 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: the same set of questions, taking about twenty minutes at 400 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: a time as they went over and over it again, 401 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: all giving the exact same answers as Steve and not 402 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: once deviating from their story. No, they didn't harm Travis, 403 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: nor know of any one who did. And yes they 404 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: did see a UFO that night. At ten p m. 405 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: That evening, the men were sent home, after which Gilson 406 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: presented Gillespie with the results. The sheriff could only gorb 407 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: in amazement. According to Gilson, not one of the men, 408 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: with the exception of Allan Dallas, whose results were deemed void, 409 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: could be determined to have lied about their experience, or, 410 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: as Gilson understood it, going by the results, the chances 411 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: that all five had cheated the test was something in 412 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: the region of one in seventy eight thousand. As Gillespie 413 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: reported to the press soon after, there's no doubt they're 414 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: telling the truth right down the line. I feel sure 415 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: that all six of them saw a UFO. It was 416 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: close to midnight on Monday when the phone rang in 417 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: Allison and Grant Neff's home in Taylor. Having just gone 418 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: to bed, Grant roused himself awake and stumbled to the 419 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: receiver nef residence. Who's this, he muttered wearily. Then a 420 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: scared and faint voice crackled up from the other end 421 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: of the line. It's Travis. I'm in a phone booth 422 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: at the Heber gas station. I need help. Please come 423 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: and get me. Grant stood for a moment, trying to think. 424 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: It certainly didn't sound like Travis, and since the family 425 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: had been fielding crank calls ever since his disappearance, it 426 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: seems reasonable to assume that this was just another one. 427 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: Don't call here again, Grant said, But just as he 428 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: was about to hang up, the voice came back, more 429 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: desperate this time. Wait, Grant, it's me Please, I'm hurt 430 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: and I need your help. Please come and get me. 431 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Part one, Unexplains, Season four, episode twenty. 432 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: The Homecoming. 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