WEBVTT - Episode 405 w/ Stephen A. Smith 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.120 He is drinks Chests, motherfucky podcast man. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.960 He's a legendary queens rapper. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:18.800 He ain't agreed as your boy in O r E. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.759 He's a Miami hip hop pioneer put up as d 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:22.680 J E f N. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:24.599 Together they drink it up with some. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.239 Of the biggest players, you know what I mean. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.640 And the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:31.880 source for drunk. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.160 Drink chans mocavery day is New Year's Eve. That's it's 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.839 time for drink champs, drink up, motherfuck. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.280 Would it could be hopeing he wanna shoot me? This 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.120 is your boy in O r E. P up is 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:54.200 DJ E f N and it's drink Chefs. Japis Now 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.600 we'll be starting at this show. We wanted to give 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.920 props to legends, to give flowers to the people where 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:02.800 they can smell them. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:03.840 They drinks where they. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.920 Can and hell them, and they thoughts when they can 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:06.920 think them. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:08.240 When I'm talking about. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.160 This brother here that I would be about to introduce, 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.240 I tell you I watched this man religiously. I can 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.440 hear him talk about anything. He can talk about pink 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.360 yellow nails and I'll still be like, yeah, I agree 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:31.360 with him. He is a wordplay, A fisherianado, a sports aficionado, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.600 and I don't I've always had to ask this question 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.080 because I don't know how to hell you watch this 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.960 all of them goddamn games. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:39.320 And comments on them all. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:41.400 That's right. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.560 Some people call him a cowboy hater, and some people 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.040 say he's acting about the cowboys and the cowboys on 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:49.000 the haters. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.840 He's from my barrel, even though when I Google him. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.200 They said he was born in Brooklyn, so I gotta 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:59.639 ask that. But he's Holly Squeens, one of the best, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:05.200 if not the best, sports people period. I hate when 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.400 hip hop used this term goat, but in this case 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:11.160 it's an understatement. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.360 He's a mass man and I can. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.720 I was so excited, I've been sweating all day. So 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.160 in case you don't know who I'm talking about, what 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.959 about the one only Legendarry And. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:28.440 How y'all doing? 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:29.919 Now? 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.720 Look, I couldn't wait for this. By the way, I 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:34.680 want you to pick my drink. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.840 I'm gon drink champagne in between, but either Japanese whiskey 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.160 or h or. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:47.079 Vodka STD the elite. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.920 So that's something I've always wanted to ask you man, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.000 You know, wake up every morning we see you, but 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.120 you you're at the games, but then you. 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:00.560 Still know about the game that you're not. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.560 That how do you how do you do that? 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.760 That's like some superhero shit. Well I don't. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.640 I don't, just you know, do my job. I live it. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.880 So what I mean by that is that like if 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.280 you walk into the basement of my house. And by 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.440 the way, I was born in the Bronx, the Raised 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.880 and Hollis Queen since I was one years old. Okay, okay, right, 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:21.919 so just to correct, just get that out the way. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.000 But when I go in the basement, if you see 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:29.400 my basement, I've got a movie theater. I've got two 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.799 television screens here. And then if you go to the side, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.480 I mean, that's really my man cave. I got a bar, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.640 a TV over the bar, and I got six TVs 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.080 three on top of each other that I can turn 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.600 into one or I can turn into six, seven, six 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.520 different games at the time. So let's say, for example, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.280 it's Sunday football. If there's seven football games on in 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.560 that man cave, I got a game on each TV, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.200 the one on the wall over the bar, plus the seven. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.000 Now I can say it now because I'm about the 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:00.760 moving a little watch. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.320 What I'm saying is it's a minimum of seven games 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.520 that I can watch at one time, and so I'm 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.680 doing that. But when I say, I live it. Okay, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.880 were talking sports. So when I'm driving on list, I'm 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.080 listening to the Sports Channel. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.000 When I'm I'm watching. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.800 When I'm watching the sports, I'm watching the Sports Channel. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.280 When i am I'm reading. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.280 I wake up and I the first thing that I do, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.320 you know, in terms of my work, when I get 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:36.040 up in the morning, I go to ESPN, dot Com, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.840 Yahoo Sports. You know, I'm looking at all the competitors 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.119 and seeing what the story is. Because you got to remember, 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:44.919 I have a journalistic background. I started off from New 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.640 York Daily News, but I went from there to the 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.160 Phillyelphia Inquirer, and. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:49.599 Then after that I did SEEINGN. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.520 That's how while I was at the Philaelphia Inquirer, then 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.000 Fox Sports and then ultimately see ESPN. This is all 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.240 while I was doing newspaper from the Philadelphia Quirer from 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.719 nineteen ninety four to twenty ten. And so I have 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.960 a journalistic career that spans thirty years. And when you 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.520 wake up as a journalist, you're thinking about what's the 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.640 story that people that's percolating with the people today in 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.720 my case now because of television, podcasting, radio. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:14.919 Et cetera. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.400 What are the multitude of stories that are percolating to day? 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.040 Y'all just finished talking about Drake Kendrick, you know, and 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:22.840 Jay Cole and all of that. Right, why you talk 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.760 about it? Because they made the new right what you 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.400 did that day? We have to do as journalists everything. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:33.080 So I'm trained in accurately, that's right, And I'm training, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.880 But I'm just talking about the storyline. What are people 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.920 talking about? You literally are supposed to wake up every 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.719 day thinking about what's percolating. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.880 And that's how I approach every single day. So let 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.479 me ask you. Right wait, that's dedication. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.520 So let me ask you coming from the inner city. Yes, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:58.360 we have sports like football, stickball, you have. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:03.880 To play handball, statch all that ship that with the 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.640 sisters and all of that stuffhen they playing you try 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.200 to play it, just the double dutch. You trying to 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:10.560 play it just because you want to be around there. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:15.240 Yeah, So, so how is it that's that's the that's 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:16.000 the sports that we. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.479 Know that the streets come from. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.440 Right then you got to cover golf, you gotta cover soccer, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:26.520 which I'm finally I'm finally coming around to liking soccer. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.000 I'm finally coming around, like Christian Ronardo's watch collection and 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.320 Messi's watch collections, as figured, that's what your body, that's not, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:39.160 that's not, but that's not like the sports that we know. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.520 Like and then later on in life, you got all 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.160 these people playing golf, but then then then a lot 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.640 of them equated to being rich, like like, this is 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.960 a rich sport, right, how do you how do you? 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.360 How do you cover that with the same emotions and 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.719 the same You don't and you don't really see. Here's 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:03.080 what happens with basketball. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.960 I'm a specialist because I'm an insider, but it's not 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.720 that I know more, even though I kind of do. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.760 It's not really about you knowing more basketball than other people, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.040 because you never know more than the players. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.760 You never know more than the coaches, you never know 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:19.320 more than them. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.800 But it's about being so connected to the sport because 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.840 you've covered it intimately that most things you read about 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:28.720 I already knew about. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:30.400 I didn't say anything about. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.040 I picked up the phone and talked to sources directly 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.240 involved in those stories. And you got inside intelliges. So 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.240 when I say so, when I say I'm a specialist 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.320 in basketball, I'm telling you, like you know, you could 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.640 see a controversy with a player and I ain't say 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.440 a word, but I know everything about it. You see 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.240 what I'm saying that most folks would know, just like 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.200 y'all with the hip hop and you know shit that 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.560 a lot of people would you know they got to 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.520 you got to read a whole bunch of magazines and 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.360 hear people talking about it and all of this other stuff. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.400 But you are already no that's me on basketball the 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.760 other sports. Until the last few years, you're just being 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.440 a reporter. And what I mean by that is you're 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.120 recognizing what these story is. Like I didn't have to 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.440 cover golf. We have golf writers to cover tigets all 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.000 the day. But when his ass got in trouble and 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.160 a wife attacked him in the land and he was 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.120 ending up on a police bloggers, no, no, no, no, that's 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.040 a story, right, So all of a sudden, it's the story. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:31.440 And as a journalist, you're trained to pursue the story, 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.840 so you can find out about the story without having 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.080 to be an insider on the sport of golf. You 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.079 see what I'm saying. So that's what you're doing with 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.880 most sports. You're covering it. You know, you're at the press, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.400 you're in the press box, you get access into the 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.520 locker room, you go, you cover a game, et cetera, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.600 et cetera. The difference between that and basketball. You know, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.920 Alan Iverson and Larry Brown getting into it. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:58.560 Well, y'all reading about it. I'm the one they talked to. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.880 You're you know, so some something happened with Shaq and 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.200 Kobe and you know y'all read about it weeks later, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.480 but you know it was Kobe that that that mother, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.599 you know, he going off and ship. You know what 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.199 I'm saying. On the phone weeks earlier, Shaq like hell 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.240 with him, dealt with him, et cetera, et cetera. You 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:19.280 get access that most folks don't get. And that's what 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.000 makes you a specialist at that particular support because you 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.760 have intel and inside info that most people don't have. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.199 Now, with that being said, with the inside info, yeah, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.440 I seen you the other day. Yep, you broung about 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.000 Michael Jordan. Yes, and you said that Michael Jordan text 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.200 you and said that magic Johnson was one of the 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.160 greatest guards of all time, right because I think you 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:37.880 said someone else. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.680 I didn't say he. I didn't say he texts me. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.720 I said he called me. Okay, okay, listen to motherfucker. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:44.040 I'm tired. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.160 You're not listening to me. Listen what I said. 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.320 You said, What the hell are you talking about? And 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.959 I'm like, come on, man, you know saying, Look, it's 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.640 kind of hard to argue with to go, you know, say, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.600 because he would know. But we do what we do. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:03.320 All. I want to ask you this further to. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:09.040 The flex, how do you know which conversations to make 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.640 public and which conversations you're gonna say? 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:11.480 Damn like you said, y'all? 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.600 Are they allow me to Okay, I don't they say 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.160 that this is absolutely off the record. It's off the record. Okay, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.720 they say it's on the record, it's on the record. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.600 Or if they don't tell you, you're able to defer to 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.120 their previous course, Like if I've seen you say something 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.120 on the subject publicly already, then it's okay for me 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.080 to say it because you've already spoke on it publicly, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.960 and you're just echoing those sentiments to me. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:32.520 Directly. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.720 If it's sentiments that you made to me that you 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.480 didn't make to anybody, that's not a trust that you violate. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.440 That's the code of the streets. You know, you know 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.120 where we come from, and so you don't. You just 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.240 don't do that. You don't, you don't do something like that. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.120 And a lot of times when you got cats and 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.520 they being ultra sensitive or whatever, I have no patience 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.800 for it because my attitude is, okay, if you say 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.200 it's off the record, it's off the record. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.800 You know that trust ain't gonna be violated. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.520 So if you know that's not gonna be violated, and 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.480 we just talk and be real and authentic with it. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.120 And if you and if you, if you don't, if 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.080 you want to say something publicly, then that's cool, then own. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.320 It and be cool with it. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.040 As long as I quote you accurately and I put 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.040 it in this proper context, and I didn't violate your trust. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.520 What are you bitching about? You got an opinion. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.720 I got opinion probably laced with more facts, and we'll 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:17.199 go from there. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:19.920 And I'm not gonna worry about it. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.400 I'm not gonna worry about feelings on that level, because again, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:23.400 it's not personal. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.319 You know what I'm saying you when you I don't 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.360 care who you are. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.640 And it's not about fear, it's not about embarrassment, it's 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.040 not about anything. It's a code where there's certain things 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:35.439 that you're just supposed to know. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.000 You don't reveal. You don't get personal. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.960 But professionally it's all open seas, especially if you're SI 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.520 public step want to court. You shoot two for twenty. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.559 Don't bitch to me. It's not two for twenty in 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.840 front of everybody doing your fact. You did it in 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.959 front of everybody. Everybody saw it. So that particular night 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.080 you stuck up the joint own it. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.920 You don''t get me because somebody did that job. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.200 And they highlighted this was not a good night for you. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.880 You can't get mad at that, but you got some 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.040 of these cats who will because of the age that 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:08.559 we're living in. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.800 And it's unfortunate in that regard, but it is what 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:11.160 it is. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.120 Like I had to speak to DJ Envy one time 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.200 because your Envy was was going back and forth with 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.040 somebody and I had to kind of like let them know, 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.560 like your voice is powerful. They were playing around, but 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.040 they wasn't playing around your voice. Your voice is powersure 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.160 because when you do show like a breakfast club, it 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.240 comes on in other markets at a different times. So 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.800 if you did somebody at eight o'clock, you might have 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.679 to come see him again at two o clock. I 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.640 see him again at twelve o'clock, right, have it? Has 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.280 it ever been like that for you? Because if you, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.120 like you said, you critique on the game and some 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.720 of these people are your connects. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.880 Well, first of all, let's understand that about the connect. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.439 You cultivate relationships with. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.280 People is how I cultivate relationships. This is who the 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.359 hell I am. 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.959 Off top, Let's get that out the way. This is 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:08.400 my job. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:13.400 Your personal life is your business. It is your story 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.480 to tell. Don't end up in the police blotders. Now 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:21.160 that's a matter of public information. You're saying privately, what's 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.880 going on in your life is your business. Your professional 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.840 career is there for me to chronicle. I'm gonna call 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.480 it like I see it now. I'm gonna come to 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.920 you now if I got access to you, like you know, 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.840 you'll see me. And there's certain people that I'm straight 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.840 and I could be hardcore with, And then there's certain 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.960 people you look at me and say, damn, I expect 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.560 the steven A to go harder. They're not realizing it's 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.040 not because of friendship. It's because you stood there and 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.760 talked to me and gave me your perspective. If this 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.600 if the drink champs create headlines and it's for a 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.880 negative reason, right If I. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:14:00.319 Know you, yeah, well happened because you have the access. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.719 So you're giving me a perspective. I've heard the perspective 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.240 from you, and at that time, there's some things you 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.120 might say to me it's cool to tell, and then 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:09.960 you might give me even more intel pen say don't 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.640 go there with that, because I can't do that, because 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.319 if you do that, that's gonna burn somebody, and I 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.280 don't need that information. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:14.599 Not. 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.959 The better way to go is to tell you right, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.760 and some and most of them usually do. I'm simply 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.360 making the point that if I have a relationship with 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.200 you and you talk to me, I have a professional 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.000 obligation before we even get to the human part us 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.000 knowing one another, communicate with one another. You talking to 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:35.840 me before we even get to that, I have a 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:40.120 professional obligation to make sure that I'm honorience. What the 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.040 conversation is meaning if you tell me it's off the record, 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.160 it's off the record. If you've given me intell and 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.000 you say this is the context I'm coming from, that's cool. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:51.680 You'll see me on TV and plenty of. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.000 Times I'll tell somebody I disagree with them, but I'll 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.280 stop and say, let me tell you where they are 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.400 coming from. Because what I owe to you is to 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.920 make sure that I project and disseminate the information to 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.280 go to the masses in the context that you want it. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.760 Whether I agree and disagree. Now, I always tell them 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.760 I ain't nothing, no obligation to agree with your ass. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.120 Now you understand that. I mean, I might agree with you, 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.560 I might not agree with you, but before I do anything, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.360 I'm gonna make sure that unfair and I'm gonna make 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.720 sure that I project. 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.560 The information in the fashion that you gave it to me. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.080 If you want to be one of those casts that's inaccessible, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.360 you want to hate on me, you want to avoid me, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.520 that's at your own damn peril. Hey, my broblem, Because 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.600 here's the thing about me. Please understand this. I've kept 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.400 my number the same for twenty years. My number, my 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.960 phone number, has been the same for twenty years. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.200 I haven't changed it for one. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.560 Reason and one reason only. I want no excuses about 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:55.040 you couldn't reach me. Impossible, impossible. Too many people know 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.240 me for you to tell me you could have reached me. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.400 But you do have some people who believe they so 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.360 big that they untouchable. And I don't know why people 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.800 would think that way, because in this industry, I can 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.800 touch you any damn time I want. And it's just 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.560 that simple. And I'm gonna be as fair and it's 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.400 humane and as authentic as I can possibly be. But 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.720 please trust, I'm gonna do my damn job. We don't 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.360 have to have Christmas Thanksgiving dinner together, we don't have 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.920 to exchange Christmas gifts. I'm gonna do my job because 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.240 I answer to the public. I don't answer to the 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.040 people I cover. So long as I'm fair, as fair 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.480 minded as I can possibly be, and I contextualize this 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.960 stuff in the fashion that is accurate, that is what 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:45.880 I owe folks. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:47.160 I don't owe them more than that. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.200 But that goes you. That goes without saying. But I 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.800 feel like you said, the landscape is different now. People 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.640 might need you to explain those rules. I don't deserve 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.840 it necessarily, but it seems like the landscape. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.880 And I would say to you that you're putting it 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.520 in a very very nice way. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.280 Some people just soft as hell mentally. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.760 We're gonna call it like it is. There's a generation 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.280 out here that's soft as hell mentally. You know, you 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:12.840 got a lot of people and they'll be like, man, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.280 you know some people. You know, you're cool with some people, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.280 but some people can't stand your ass. And I'm like, 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.280 who the hell told you I could stand them? They 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.639 don't like their asses either, some of them, not most, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.720 not all. It's a lot of cats and professionals. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:27.119 Listen. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:33.240 First Take on ESPN has been number one for twelve years, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:39.120 every week, every week, every month, every year, twelve years 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.360 in counting. You know what I'd like people to do. 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.359 How many athletes you see coming on there? How many 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.560 former athletes you see got a job on there? How 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.240 many cats you see being given shine? Who you think 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.320 they come to? I'm the executive producer first Take. Youin't 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.960 coming on without my permission. I'm the one that puts 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.480 them on. Now. I'm blessed and fortunate enough to have 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.080 accomplished what I have accomplish than my career at es 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.040 being to be able to have that kind of tipe, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:04.919 that kind of power and knock on wood, that's the 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.040 day it could be going tomorrow. I don't trust corporate. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.840 Anything can happen, but what I'm saying is have I 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.879 have that now? And so when you look at it 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.720 from that perspective, it's like, wait a minute, you're letting 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.880 cats know. You want you want to talk, You want 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.160 your perspective herd you you you want to make sure 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.080 that you're gonna have viewers listening, et cetera, et cetera. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.800 The platform is here available to you. You got a 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.760 lot of cats don't want that because they got their 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.760 own platforms. They think they're doing you a favor by 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.760 coming buy and not recognize you was number one before 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.000 they arrive you number one. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.560 They ain't doing all that they think about. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.080 They're thinking about what you have to gain, or more importantly, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.040 what they may have to lose by being in an environment. 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:50.680 It's unedited, and it's live, ain't no tape delay, ain't no, 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.600 it ain't no live tape and Aaron later, oh no, no, no, bro. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.880 When we on ten o'clock, it's ten o'clock. Oh wow, 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.720 I didn't know this love Okay, it ain't taste saying oh. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.679 So when you come on live, and that's what I 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.600 tell them, it's the live platform. You can go on 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.760 Sports Center, you could do an interview for three or 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.159 four minutes. They could come and interview you, and they 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.560 could add three or four minutes. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:14.720 You come on first take. 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.440 If I tell you you coming off for fifteen minutes, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.560 it's fifteen minutes. I tell you thirteen minutes and fifteen seconds. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.199 It's thirteen minutes and fifteen seconds. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.080 You know, So you have that. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.840 And if you want to pass up on that because 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.000 you don't trust, or you think you too big, or 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.880 you thinking that your influence because of your reach, your 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.720 followers and all of that stuff is going to stop 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.600 me from doing what I do, well, good luck with that. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.000 Good luck with that. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.720 Recently we had people come on here, right, you know, 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.760 have a good time, say something they don't want they 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:48.680 don't want to say, and ask for. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:49.720 Us to edit it. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.920 Right, and us, being good people, we ain't. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:54.600 Chase. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.040 But then these artists will ask us to edit and 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.800 then go on another that for them and say what they. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.199 Told her that that should push you off. What you 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.399 should do, I'll be wanting to blow it up. What 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.919 you should do should be like this. I will tell 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:19.280 you that. Let me tell you. Let me listen eight years, 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.919 but let me get as a person that's been in 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.359 media for thirty years. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:25.240 Let me give you a piece of advice. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.560 So you want me to cut this out? You don't 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.480 want me to add this. You know I better not 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.000 see you saying this ship nowhere else? Right? 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:34.840 I didn't say that. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.440 You know that, right, because if I see it anywhere else, 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:40.120 I'm an eric. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.040 Do you understand me? So long as you know, I 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:45.800 ain't got no. 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.600 Problems cutting this out, especially if it's something that you 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:51.560 think is gonna compromise you gonna hurt your brand. 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:52.919 We ain't trying to hurt you. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:57.120 You're saying, but I better not see it somewhere else 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.280 because if I see it somewhere else, or that just 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.160 means you want to give that to somebody else other 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.520 than me. But I got it already. Oh yeah, that 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.960 shit tomorrow. You understand I'm saying, And put the date 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.000 when you said it, so everybody I had it. Don't 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.240 play that game. You say you want it out, keep 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:21.199 it out because listen, there's certain things, you know, a 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:25.280 code of the industry. It's like you don't give somebody 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:29.840 else editorial power. I've had politicians, I've had, you know, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.919 a big time executives. I've had various others wanted to 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.440 sit down and do interviews with me, and I canceled 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.520 the interview because they wanted editorial control. You're not getting 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.080 editorial control of my content. Don't come on and give 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.000 me the content. I came on here today. I told 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.440 y'all y'all could ask me anything y'all want. That don't 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.719 mean I'm gonna answer every damn let me assure you 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.879 what you want. Here from me is me saying, please 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.320 do it, please edit that out. No, no, no, no no. 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.800 I came here, I showed up. I know you got 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.159 critics and people gonna say, I'm gonna get asked. I 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.800 know how y'all wrote what I'm saying. I knew what 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.680 I was showing up for. And a lot of times 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.359 you got these cats and they being run by their team, 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.760 but they want to act like they did and they 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.080 being rung by their team, and their team didn't have 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.520 any connection. They't creating no kind of viby talk to 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.679 you man, the man won on one or whatever the 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.000 case may be, and then they walk around with their 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.880 backup like somebody did them wrong instead of owning what 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:30.000 the hell they did. 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:31.440 That's my life. 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:33.040 Right there where. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.040 It's like I'm constantly the villain and. 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:42.879 I cannot tell y'all how many times, whether it's y'all, 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:46.840 I don't give a damn what podcast was, show it is. 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.440 I'll see some people say some shit. It could be 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.360 on YouTube, it could be anywhere, and my name come 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.560 up and they say something, and I'm like, how come 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:04.120 nobody asked they say that to my face? Would they 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:09.640 put their truth up against my truth? Because we all 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.640 got receipts, but very very few people got as many 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:16.200 as me, And so I'm like, what. 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:18.680 When I see people I'm. 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.920 Watching because if it's sports related, especially when they talk 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.679 about sports commentators and stuff like that, my name coming up, 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.440 I'm like, okay, and I'm wondering whether that person's gonna 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.720 call me or yo Stephen a yo. Man. 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:33.199 They said something. 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.199 You see what I'm saying, because I'll have an answer, 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:37.840 I promise you that. 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:39.720 But I really get. 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:44.640 That opportunity and it's it's all right, But Sometimes I say, 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.960 people say stuff because they know they can get away 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:48.280 with it. 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:50.240 They know they could get away with it. 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.480 But your name is so big, I can see why 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:53.800 certain people want to say your name. 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:54.560 I can see why. 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.879 Because it's a clickbag, even if it's not trying it 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.760 for it. Because someone say A talking about Steven A, 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:02.159 They're gonna click on it. 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.960 The name is a hot commodity. So is that something 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:07.880 that bothers you when you don't get that call? 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.919 When I don't get that call sometimes, especially if it 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.760 depends on the ship they're saying and how personal it get, 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:20.440 because I would, I would listen. I know what codes 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:27.040 I live by. I know if you're a player and 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.440 you didn't get along with the coach, it was because 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:33.959 y'all were y'all were, y'all were doing the same woman, right, 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.600 you know what you're screwing around with a teammates girl 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.080 or a teammate's wife, or you know you got in 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.520 of this beef because you know you tried to choke 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.400 a coach or something. You know you gotta you gotta. 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:49.600 Well that's the trust me. 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.840 Well, but you know, depending on rumors, think about it. 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.160 You hear about that stuff every year, every year, Right, 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.960 So you got all types of the kind of stuff 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.840 that I get access to the kind of information that 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.320 I get access to by virtue of what I do 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:08.000 for a living. I promise you I don't say seventy 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.040 percent of the stuff that I know, Wow, seventy percent. 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.520 And so what happens is when you see cats and 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.720 you know they talking about your stuff like that, I 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.879 will remind you I've been in the business for thirty years. 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.879 I know about dudes who were talking about me and 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.280 they were filming a commercial in the off season in 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.520 Hollywood and not realizing I knew the damn producers. Wow, 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:38.760 you connected with cats in the hip hop industry? You 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.439 don't know I know Them's what I'm saying. I mean, 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.359 don't don't listen. I'm not the expert, the officionado at that. 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.800 Like I like music, of course I did. I grow 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:50.639 on a product of the hip hop generation growing up 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:53.480 in Holland. Queen's jam Master Jay was best friends with 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.240 my late brother god Rest of Soul. I grew up 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.199 with run DMC. So why they see me? What do 0:25:58.240 --> 0:25:59.800 you say a Holland fifty was? 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:01.760 It was was you know down the. 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:04.199 Block llll who j grew up five minutes from your 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.119 Pharma's ball, the Rock, The Rock, you know, John Rude fifty, 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.439 all of these, I'm like, who you talking to? I'm 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.000 seeing I've seen these people years. I root for them 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:15.879 all day every day. I'm proud of them because I 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.000 look at the road travel and I know where they 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:19.680 came from to get to where they go. They always 0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:21.200 gonna have my support. Give a damn who it is 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:26.160 my man should have? Yeah, you know, I just got 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.159 with Snoop because I told her, Damn, I said, I 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:32.600 have to prepare for the interview. I what you did? 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.880 I mean it just like these these are my brothers. 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.920 They know you pick up the phone, stephen A, is 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:46.080 what what you need done? That's you know. I mean, 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.200 I'm incredibly grateful and humbled and thankful that I got 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.520 relationships with such iconic figures. 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.040 You can't have relationships with those with cats like that. 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.440 If you don't live by a cold and you don't 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.600 stand for ship and you're gonna betray p Pully and. 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.399 You go backstab, you can't do that. 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:07.320 So when you got cats in the sports world, what's 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.480 good drink Champs Army. If you like this show, You've 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.680 got to check out The Midnight Miracle. If you don't 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.240 already know about the Midnight Miracle. It's the Legends Dave Chappelle, 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:22.840 Talib Kwali and Y'asin Bay co hosting this indescribable podcast. 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:27.560 It's music, it's convo, it's debate, it's a million other things. 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.000 It's really dope. It's so dope to hear these legends 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.560 chopping up about everything from wild stories to debating what's 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:35.400 going on in the world. 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:36.520 I mean, it has it all. 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.240 Season one was taped at the Shack That's Dave Spot 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.879 in Ohio, where we had the honor of filming our 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.399 Drink Champs episode with them. They had guests like Questlove, 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.560 Kat Williams, Michelle Wolf, Q Tip Radio, Raheem, and a 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.160 lot more. Season two, though, was taped on the road 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.440 with Dave to living y'all seen bringing the magic that 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:01.920 rises up when they're live together. Check it out. That's 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:08.000 the Midnight Miracle. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Trying 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:12.480 to be Smirch and Sully. My reputation that gets me 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.040 hot because you're. 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.080 Implying that I live by a cold that anybody who 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.720 knows me knows I do not live by it, And 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:24.119 so what happens is then I'm watching everybody, because I 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:28.720 will watch whether it's y'all or somebody else. And I'd 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.840 be like, you just gonna let them say that, You're 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.560 gonna let that slide. What evidence do you have to 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.639 say that shit about me? You know? 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:37.520 And you got to. 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:43.120 Remember, I know of Athletic they remain nameless, but I 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:47.440 know the stars that spoke to executives trying to keep 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.080 me out of the business. Oh wow, trying to get 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:55.600 me fired, trying to trying to deny what I'm bringing. 0:28:56.200 --> 0:29:00.280 And then come and they won't say anything. I gonna 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:02.720 accuse him of smiler in my face because they ain't 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.440 that flagrant with it. But they don't know that. I know. 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.440 Like I told you before, you're filming a commercial, you 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.479 hanging out with your boys, you might be in a hotel, 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.400 you might be at a party or whatever. Yo, bro, 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.040 you ain't been I've been in this business for thirty years. 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:19.440 I kind of know people. So it could be a week, lady, 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.520 it could be a month, lady, It could be that night. 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.640 It's gonna get back to me, and it ain't gonna 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.160 get back to me. From Nay says that you know, 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.000 I barely know. I'm talking about people that I know 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:34.920 whose words I know I can trust. Yo, Stephen, Ay, Bro, 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.480 that ain't no friend. This is what he's saying about you. 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.840 This is what they trying to do. This is what happened. 0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.680 And so I just sit back and I watch, and 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.800 I pray, pray that they say something about me by name. 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:50.640 Oh you don't know how to be praying for it, 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:56.320 because again, I can unleash at my discretion at any 0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:02.120 moment if and I and I'm mostly reserved, no doubt, 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.960 because I'm in corporate America and I grew up in 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.360 corporate America. The freedom that y'all have in this in 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.800 this podcast world, that's something I just adopted. I never 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.160 had to Stephen A Smith show on YouTube that just 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.040 started a year ago. I don't you know, I wasn't 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:18.800 doing that all of these years. I wasn't. 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:20.560 I said, what, thank you? I appreciated that. 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:21.960 I don't. I don't do you know. 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.240 I just started doing that and I didn't you. 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.160 Know you could call it a podcast because I got 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.120 to deal with our Heart Radio and they gonna push 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.880 that on their platforms. But out of my own pocket. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.800 I built a television studio because my god, I came out. 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:37.320 I can't a couple of mill out my own pocket. 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.960 I built this television studio because A. I want to 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.120 show that I can produce television on my own. Whereas 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.360 I'm not getting the checkers an employee, I'm getting the 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.760 check as a production company because I'm producing content and 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.880 I'm getting that bag too, on top of me being 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.040 the talent. Oh by the way, not only am I 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.400 doing that, I own and operated one hundred percent. Oh 0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.040 by the way, not only am I doing that, but 0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.080 I'm doing it with the purpose of not just myself 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.080 but looking for young talent on the come up that 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.040 I can produce years of years to come. Because I'm 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:07.080 fifty six. I ain't twenty six. I don't want to 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.520 do this shit in thirty years. You know what I'm saying. 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.400 I want, I want, and I want my legacy to 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.840 be somebody that's reaching out to help those on to 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.200 come up, so we can find we can find a 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:19.640 way to do that. 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:20.560 Because everybody can't be you. 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.560 Everybody can't be you, everybody can't be me, but they 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:28.360 can be themselves in a fashion that's most profitable for them, 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.840 show them the way, and show them there's another I'm 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:35.320 not I'm corporate because I had to live in corporate 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.360 America for thirty years. I know who I am, you said, 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:39.960 I know what I am when I take the suit 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.320 off and I'm hanging in Hollis, You're a SENI. I'm 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.800 hanging with the Fellas or something like that. But you 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.560 can't roll up with Bob IgA, the CEO of Walt Disney, 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.640 and Jimmy Pataro, the president of the ESPN, and Roger 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:55.200 Goodella NFL commissioner, Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner. You know, 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.560 like you with the Fellas, it calls for something different. 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.200 Do you have the flexibility, the skill to know how, 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.960 the professionalism to be able to dance in that world 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.880 when you're not you or you or me? 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.280 And I'm the kind of person that thinks that I 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:13.840 could help. 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.360 Is showing the way so that versatility kicks in and 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:19.680 you can show yourself to be marketable to a whole 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.200 bunch of people. People a lot of times don't see that. 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.760 We encouraging young cats. Man, do what you want to do, 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:25.960 when you want to do how you want to do it. 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:27.960 Fuck everybody, else, But you got your hand out for 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:31.360 somebody else's money. And that pisses me off because I'm like, yo, 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.440 you don't have to be a business owner. Tell me, 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.360 even if you were on a street, hang it with 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.600 your boys. If your boys came to you and said, yo, dog, 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:46.040 I need some money, you might give it to them 0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.080 the first time. Second time you go be like, what 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.000 fuck you need it for it? Third time again? 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:51.440 Again? 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.680 Why you underta what I'm saying. And you're gonna want 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:55.760 to know what they're doing with it, you see what 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.920 I'm saying. But we act like we can encourage people 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.440 to do what they want to do, when they want 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:01.360 to do it how they want to do. When they 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.560 got their head out for somebody else's money, you setting 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.040 them up for a dead end ride. They're gonna fall. 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.440 You can't operate that way. I'm the kind of person 0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:12.280 that says that. And because I say that, you got 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.280 people that snub their nose up to get the backup. 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.280 They got an attitude all of this other stuff, And 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.320 I don't have patience for that because I'm like, yo, 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:19.760 I'm trying to help cats. 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.200 What you're trying to do when you're leading them down 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:23.680 a dead end road. 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:25.920 Right like me? 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:31.160 Right, I did love and hip hop. Right, this is Viacom, 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:35.080 which is corporate America. I did it because I enjoyed 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:38.280 working for somebody. 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:40.680 I enjoyed it. I already know I'm the boss of 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.440 whatever whatever my world, but I wanted. 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.120 To go into somebody else's world that I could be 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.160 accountable for not being on time. I'd be accountable for 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.000 not showing up or things like that, and I enjoyed it. 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:53.360 I fully enjoyed that. 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.720 They didn't want to keep paying me because I wanted more, exactly, 0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:01.320 so we agreed to disagree. But that time, I always 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:05.400 say that I'm good with, you know, doing what I 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.240 gotta do, and then if I have to work for. 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:08.640 Somebody else, I'm okay with it. 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:08.880 Right. 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:10.319 I know who I am in real life. 0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:12.280 So is that how you feel when it comes. 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:13.200 To first thing? 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.520 I wouldn't say when it comes to first take, you know, 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.920 because my weakness is I hate getting up in the morning. 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.000 Because once I'm up, i'm up. I don't take naps, 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:22.640 and I stay up real late. I don't go to 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:26.319 sleep before two am. So because of that, I'm up constantly, 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:30.200 you know, and I'm on my grind. I can't stand 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.839 getting up early. That's the only hiccup in my entire career. 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.719 I'll turn down millions if you asked me to get 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:37.279 up at four or five am to help with it. 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.279 I gotta figure out something else, you know. 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.359 That's how I am. And that's been my week. 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.640 That's been my one weakness throughout my career, throughout my life. 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.200 But I will tell you this, I've often said this 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:52.279 about working for Disney. It ain't perfect, right, damn. It 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.160 could be hard sometimes because they got a shareholders, stock holders, 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:56.719 all of that stuff, and you got to answer for that. 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.600 And when you're a major player, somebody that moves the needle, 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:01.640 and you know, God has blessed me. I've been number 0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:03.520 one for them for like eight nine years on that 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.279 level in terms of moving the needle. Here's the deal. 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.680 I've often said this, I'd rather work for someone with 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:15.560 standards than someone looking for them. I can always make 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:20.160 the adjustment to being free and easy and not having 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:21.120 to answer to anybody. 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.240 But if I had never had to answer to anybody, 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:25.400 and then all of a. 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.120 Sudden I got to work for somebody and work in 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:31.440 corporate America, I'm a lost soul. I ain't gonna not adjust. 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:32.879 I'm not going to know how to live that life. 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.520 It's going to drive me crazy. But the fact that 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.840 I have worked for the New York Daily News, for 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:43.480 the Philadelphia Inquirer, for CNN, Fox Sports, ultimately ESPN, and 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.960 Walt Disney. Right because of that, especially walked Disney over 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:52.160 the last twenty years, I'm in a position where I've 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.640 seen so much corporate and how strict it can be 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:59.040 and how paralyzing at times. 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:03.880 It can be right that I can adjust to anything. 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.800 Because it ain't gonna be much tougher than that in 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.960 terms of the standard. Right, everything's gonna be a little looser, 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:14.719 And as a result, I'm gonna feel more free no 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.600 matter where you put me, right, and that gives me 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.279 a decisive advantage moving forward because I played the long game. 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:23.359 Makes sense? 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.759 Do you when you uh uh first take, but then 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:31.240 when you uh do Stephen a show. 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.880 You're the boss boys, Yes, I'm the boss boss. So 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:39.520 is it is it more hard to deal with employees? 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:40.080 Hell? 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:48.919 Yeah, let me tell you something. Look, look, look, look, 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:51.920 when people. 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:58.160 Work for you, When you're working for somebody, you have 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:02.880 a standard you're determined to meet. When you're the boss, 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.000 you have a standard you're praying everyone else will meet, 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.120 and most people ain't you. 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.160 And so as a result, you know on what and 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:15.200 not only that. Here's the thing. 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:21.760 On one hand, you the priority has to be competent, 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:24.200 your ability, You got your carew here. 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:25.839 They got to know what the hell they're doing. 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.360 You know what I'm saying. You see them ain't got 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.479 smiles on their faces, but they not do the damn jobs. 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:30.160 You see what I'm saying. 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.160 So they're good because they know you believe they're good. 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:36.440 And that's all right. Okay, So the competence is number one. 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:42.719 But right there is trust right now. Trust comes in 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.680 a variety of ways. You don't want people telling your business, 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.480 but then again, when you ain't got much to hide, 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.120 you don't care about that. But the other part of 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.439 trusting is being able to close your eyes and turn 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.600 your back and know that the standard that you've mandated 0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:00.240 is being met at all times, because you got folks 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:04.439 that are that committed, and when there's a question mark 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.080 to that, that could be very, very stressful. I'm doing 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:13.400 the Steven A. Smith Show on YouTube right I got 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.400 six hundred thousand followers. I probably hit six hundred thousand 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:17.600 subscribers tomorrow. 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:18.799 Right in year one. 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:23.600 That's not bad. I'm picking up about fifteen hundred subscribers 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.279 a day. I ain't satisfied. I think it should be better. 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.160 But I got people around me. Man, we're doing well, 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.040 and I'm looking at them. You know while I'm looking 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:39.200 at them, God, damn it. You don't set the standard. 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.799 I set the standard. I'm the one cutting this check. 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:51.920 Tell me what we're doing. Now. If I'm unreasonable, that's different, 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.960 But don't you did? Tell me what we're doing as 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.759 if you're the one who is defining the standard, and 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:00.480 let me give a sports to that alogy to you, 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:01.880 then I'm gonna give it to you because you'll love this. 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:03.400 I'm a diehard Knicks fan. 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:03.880 We all know that. 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:05.600 Yes, it's hard being a Knicks fan. 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.399 I know, but no, no, no, no, no, no, now 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:12.560 ye now, oh god, So it was so hard being 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:14.759 a Knick fan. It was hard for me to look 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.719 at that. Damn Jim, do you know I walk by him. 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.920 Now you're billionaire. Now you're a billionaire now, and I 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:23.000 want but I think it's hard for him. How you doing, 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:27.759 he sees me, Steven, How you doing? You know what 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:32.000 I'm saying, demon is misster snineteen ninety nine, nineteen ninety nine, 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.880 can't get to finals, bleed for shut on top. But 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:36.920 this year I think I had a chance, but they 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.040 had too many damnag. Well we'll see what happened since 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.120 they got og number one, defensive efficiency, all of this 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:41.600 other stuff. 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:43.279 But we'll talk about that. We're doing better than he. 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:44.120 No, no, no, no no. 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:45.960 I want the heat again. I actually want to hea. 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:47.600 He't the healthy. 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:54.200 Listen, listen. No, no one thing as I as an aside, 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:55.400 know one thing about me. 0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:01.040 I am never losing when the Heat a plan because 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.319 because that means I get to come to South Beach. 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:10.399 Let me tell you something. 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:15.479 The difference between Heat fans and Nick fans. Heat fans 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.799 don't even sit down in their seats, stay back there 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.759 and club live drinking. Nick. 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:22.839 I remember going to a Lebron game. 0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:29.239 Halftime came Lebron was losing, the whole, Heat left, the whole, 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.759 the state left, and I remember being the diehard Knick 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:33.160 fans saying that would never happen. 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:35.319 That's true, we do not leave, that's true. But here's 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.719 the flip side. Sorry, you could be at a Knicks game. 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:39.880 I'm sorry. You could be at a Heat game and 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:44.800 if you're not from Miami and you know anything about Miami, 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:54.759 you get there early just for the view. Is they 0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:55.960 got a club. 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:08.719 Club eight o'clock, eight o'clock. That's the only time, so 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:10.279 motherfuckers going here just for the club. 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.879 Miami. Miami is the only time in my life where 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:16.360 I sound like Sammy Sosa. 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:17.319 Miami has been. 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:22.839 It's the only time I sound like save me something 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.680 I said. I don't need no dam but it is 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:27.839 what it is. But I say all of that to say, 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.680 you know, using the whole nixt thing or anything like 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:37.640 that as an example, Okay, you've got a situation where 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.960 they improved and they doing their thing, and folks are 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:44.640 salivating over what they're seeing. 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:48.160 We're just doing better, doing great, You're doing. 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.840 Bet And I'm going like this, do we have a 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.920 chance to go to the finals or not? Because that's 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.919 how I'm looking at it, Like mister Robson, you gonna 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:57.239 get healthy. 0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:58.399 Oh, jann Over, You're gonna get healthy. 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.080 You're just ready to go get healthy. Jayden Brust and Ballert, 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.600 somebody gonna give um some help. Because I'm looking at 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.799 the Boston Celtics, and I'm saying that. 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:09.600 Should be the only team standing in your way right now. 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.680 Milwaukee with Dame Dolla and Giannis can't be ignored. We 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:14.520 get all of that, but losing jew Holiday and stuff 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.200 like that, you compromise defensively, New York, this got a chance. 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.320 Boston is the one roadblock standing in your face. To me, 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.960 anything other than a trip to the conference finals, if 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:29.719 you're healthy against Boston is a failure. Anything less than 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:33.920 that is a failure. So when I see folks like, man. 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:40.080 We were doing that, I'm like talking about yeah, and 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.399 I'm going like, this is your ass for New York. 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:47.400 You have you suffered since nineteen seventy three. You understand 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.880 I'm saying. I'm like, because I want you out, I 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.200 want you out of here. You ain't a part of this, coach, 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:54.960 You ain't a part of this because they don't know. 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.440 And then you got these young whipper snappers and stuff. 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:00.479 You in your thirties. Shut the hell up. You don't 0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.480 know what kind of soft wind, weird stuff. I was 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.239 five years old in nineteen seventy three when the New 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.040 York Knicks went to the finals. I ain't seen him 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.279 Dave Listen, they went to the fund. I'm sorry when 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.759 they won a championship. They've been to the finals ever since. 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:17.719 But thevin even when they went to the finals in 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.000 nineteen ninety nine, we knew they weren't gonna beat san Antonio. 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.720 You knew you in with his old knees and spree 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.719 Well and no one gonna beat I'm sorry, you was hurt. 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.760 So you got spree Well and Camby and you aren't 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.680 beating Tim Duncan and David Robinson. That's not that was 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.200 like when Lebron went to against San Antonio the first 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:35.719 go round in two thousand and seven, we knew he 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.080 wasn't gonna beat him, So congratulations getting there, but you 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.200 ain't got a snowballs chance in hell of beating that team. 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.200 This is the same thing with the New York Knicks. 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.719 So I'm like when I see people, I'm like, it's 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:48.360 not just about getting there, it's about me firmly believing 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:49.080 you got a chance. 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.920 The last time that happened was when you went against 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:53.200 the Lajawan. 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.879 In Houston and John Stark shot one for eleven from 0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.239 three point range two for eighteen for the game in 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:01.160 a game seven. 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:05.400 You know and pat Riley my man, pat Riley. 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.720 I love this man. I love Rob's but pat Riley 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:12.680 is the boss of the New York Knicks. I'm sorry, Yes, 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:14.600 he the once in the New York Knicks, the head coach. 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:20.560 You picked up Rolando black Men in the season who 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:24.600 does nothing but shoot, and there was nothing that's said 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.640 to you. John Starks is suffering right now. I need 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:31.440 to get Rolando black Men in there because John Starks 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.360 tore it up and gave six See it's moments like this. 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:39.359 You can't be young, not even born, ignorant and come 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:41.520 to me talking about all the hell with you. You 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:42.920 ain't no real Nicks man. You got to shut the 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.200 hell out here. You don't know, you have no idea. 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.839 The frustration tell you how much I'm a Knicks man 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:52.040 is every time the Knicks get on the street, I 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:55.640 watched and then they lose, So don't watch. 0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:58.399 Because they keep on winning. 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.200 Because that was about it. I think. 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:07.239 It's being a Knicks fan. I think it's me. I'm 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.120 like Erica, like, how did they do tonight? 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.560 I won't physically why because every time I physically what 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:13.520 they physically love? 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:14.560 That's right question? 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.080 So you for that that all was the bad luck. Listen, 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.640 I feel that way sometimes too. And then I swowed 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.759 myself up and over, I'm gonna watch it. Damn I 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:24.359 shouldn't have watched, but he let. 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.800 Me give you even more more crazy. I moved in Miami, 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:30.439 in Miami fifteen years. 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:32.680 By the way, how you feel about living here? 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:32.879 Oh? 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:33.360 I love it. 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.239 I'm taking thinking about how bad it was being a 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.520 Knicks fan is it's a stuff of law. 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:41.840 If you're a Knicks. 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.800 Fan and a Nets fan, it's round upon if you 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:48.920 are a Jets fan and a Giants fan. When I 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:50.920 moved to my and I said, oh that's she is 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:52.640 out the window. I'm a fan of New York. I'm 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.839 even a fart of the New York Islanders's hockey team. 0:45:55.880 --> 0:46:04.040 By the way, I'm just braised our hair called Dumpies, right, 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.680 Duffy's a great ball? Yet, please, the Duffies is a 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:11.479 great ball every time the Knicks and the Heat played. 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:15.399 Everybody just get together, don't. It's a dope ask ball. 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.680 But it's a whole bunch of New Yorkers twenty years 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.560 that we fucking got back into my area. It's not letting. 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.000 You don't have to let it. You only came here 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.120 for the weather, the taxes and stuff that we don't 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:32.360 need to message that. Let's be like, let us have 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.880 a lot of view of public right here. But I 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.160 will tell you this. I will tell you this. You 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.279 don't have to let go of your New York family 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.000 because New York is everywhere. We get all of that, 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.000 we get all of that. But I got a better 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:45.719 story for you. So Miami hardcore. 0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:47.280 Yes, they are Raleigh. 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.359 They don't play. They don't communicate with nobody. They ain't 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:54.360 returning text messages. You know, they ain't leaking information and 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:56.839 and they don't do all that. They don't play that game. 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:58.799 You know, they're real ones. They they you know, if 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:00.719 they got something to say, they said publicly. You know 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.600 what I'm saying. I mean, I've known them for years. 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.200 I'm very tight with the Heat organization. I go back, 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.080 you know, close to thirty years with a lot of 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.480 these cats, the raleighs and the Tim Donovan's that the 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.080 communications got to thank you so much, the Tim Donovans 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.279 and and Rob Wilson's and me relationships. The players. D 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:18.759 wade all of them, I mean U d all of them. 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.640 I'll go back. Yeah, I've known a lot enough for 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:22.160 years and got a lot of love for them, and 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:25.200 they real ones. But here's the thing that happened to 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.760 me last year. Let me show you how the pressid 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:33.160 this is. So I'm furious with the New York Knicks 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:36.160 because they didn't get Donovan Mitchell. And this is the 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:41.040 inside right, because everybody know worldwide. West, you know that's 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.560 my man. I love them, But we had to stop 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.319 talking for a little while because they was. 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:46.120 Running the organization. 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.080 Doesn't know that he works under the president of the 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.360 basketball operation, Leon Roase. They were pissing me off, and 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.400 West would come to protect them, missit, and I'd be like, look, man, 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:54.880 we can't talk. 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:57.520 This is the Knicks. 0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.359 This ain't object I'm not objective about the New I'll 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.279 tell you right now. See that's the key with with me. 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.960 I'm not I'm talking now. I'm objective with what I 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:14.360 report in terms of actual factual information, but I'm not 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:19.360 hiding my emotion. I am rooting for the knicks'st anybody, 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.520 and when they lose, I'm pissed and I'm looking for 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:23.200 who is. 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:24.200 Going to incur my. 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:28.080 Wrath because you affissed me off because yet again, you're failed. Okay, 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:33.080 So he's calling me to to to be protected of 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:38.160 Leon Rose, your rust man, and the interests of our friendship. Dog. 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.919 We're not gonna talk. Come by, cush ass. I don't 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:42.640 tell this ship man. 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.880 I'm tired, you know what I'm saying. I love him, man, 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:46.640 I love him, knowing them for over twenty five years, 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:49.440 but it was driving me crazy. So here's what happened. 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:52.960 You got an opportunity. I'm watching the Knicks, and I 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:57.280 believe I believe that if the Knicks had Donovan Mitchell 0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.160 last year, they're in the conference finals. 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.120 Miami does not be them. Miami does not beat. 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:07.279 Hi. Conference finals. They do not beat Miami does not 0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.960 beat the Knicks. If Donovan Mitchell was with bruntson the way, 0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:16.040 Brunton was playing you with me. So I'm saying this now, 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.719 you gotta remember. You gotta rewind the clock. I'm doing 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:22.879 radio in New York City for ESPN Radio back when 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:27.239 Donovan Mitchell was coming out of Louisville. This damn dude, 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:32.840 Phil Jackson, you know the eleven time champion, six championships 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.040 in Chicago, five in l A. You know the sin 0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.799 master who all of a sudden don't want to coach 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:40.640 when he get the New York and ship what we 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:42.680 need you for? You don't want to coach, daddy. 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:50.640 You know what, here's the deal. We don't know because 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:51.200 he went shoe. 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.920 He didn't show up right, at least trying to show up, 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:57.839 tripping there all the way. For the point that I'm 0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:01.560 trying to make, is this so so Jackson don't want 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:06.279 to coach, right, And I'm going like this, I'm hearing 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:09.799 all these names, Elik Monk and all you know, all 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:16.080 these people, and I said, Donovan Mitchell, Louisville, the brother Special, 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:23.479 get him. Phil Jackson drafted this dude. Frank Neela Kina. 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:29.600 Frank Neela Kina never heard of him from overseas. Yeah, 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:30.799 I just came from France. 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:39.719 And I was like, I'm serious because I know you're 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:43.080 passed up, right, So now bring that up. Why because 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:46.879 Donovan Mitchell taking the league by storm, averaging twenty five games, 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.480 showing the skill set. Utah, blah blah blah. He I 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.839 know Utah he wants out. Utah is looking to move 0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:59.040 him and he wants to go home from Upstate New York. One, 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.520 come out, come on, no question. 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:03.239 Figure out how the hell. 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.520 I know that emphatically, he wants to come to New York. 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:14.240 You understand what I'm saying. Leon Rose has an opportunity 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.200 to get this man, and he is on the phone 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:24.120 with Danny Inge, who departs from Boston. It's now running 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:28.759 the Utah Jazz and Danny Ainge is universally recognized as 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.839 one of the elite executives in this ward. 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:35.000 He's not someone you bluff. He knows what he's doing. 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.240 But this is what he wants. 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:40.680 What about four or five picks? 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.279 One and RJ Barrett you know. 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:49.600 One crimes. I'm like, ye, it's all. You got eleven 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:53.759 picks over the next seven years. You got Yanni's coming, 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.080 you got something lebron on Lee La who you got? 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:58.520 You got to get him. 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.480 Not only does he not get him. One of the 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:04.719 reasons he doesn't get him. 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:12.760 This brother Leon Rose has some dude named Gershard Ross 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:18.160 who hain't recently gotten fired in Minnesota on the phone 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:19.560 negotiating for him. 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:25.760 Now again, how do you notice, I'm Steven a baby. 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:30.520 This is what I do. This is basketball. I'm telling 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.879 you what I know, and I'm livid because you don't 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:37.879 get them. Right. So now we fast forward to last 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:42.800 his playoffs and you the Knicks, and you go and 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.879 you take Cleveland out, you smoke him. They can't deal 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.960 with y'all defensively. Their big boys don't respond. Jared Allen 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.840 and or Mobley and these brothers, they don't respond to 0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.279 the challenge. You take them out in six I'm like, 0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:04.080 let's go to he the next we come. Right, I'm 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:10.840 feeling I'm feeling feeling, man, I'm feeling it right. And 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:14.120 then I watched Jimmy Butler. Oh yeah, put on a 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:19.520 show before had this is Jimmy Butler last year. So Jimmy, 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:21.600 my man, love Jimmy to death. Jimmy used to be 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.080 in Philadelphia. I felt Philadelphia is making a big mistake 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.560 because him and and bid like this and b love 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.240 the ground. This brother walked on Jimmy Butler. He holding 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:31.160 cats accountable, all that sort of ship you saw from 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:34.200 Ben Simmons. You know what I'm saying. I understand mental awareness, 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.480 mental health, all that stuff. Not trying to disrespect, but 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:38.960 damn it, you know, where's the mental health when it 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:39.879 comes to cash in that check? 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:41.520 That seemed he seemed to know how to get to 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.160 the things I don't want to hear that. 0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:44.960 You understand, say, ain't trying to hear that ship all 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:49.640 right anyway? Anyway? Right, so dominate he on he on 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:54.440 the sideline, looking like looking like Julyn in the shades 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:58.040 and the fly and all of this other stuff. I'm like, hey, 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.120 I think, ain't no doubt the wants you. But what 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:03.560 that doing for your game? What they're doing for your team? 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:04.520 Don't get me started with that. 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:05.360 Damn Ben Simmons. 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:09.399 Anyway, I'm like that, don't happen with Jimmy Butler there, 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:11.160 one way or another, son gonna happen. 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:12.279 He ain't having that, right. 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.920 But he in Miami now and he had dropped like 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:21.000 over fifty on Milwaukee one game, right, and then they 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.560 closed them out. So I'm like this, all right, you 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:28.719 know it's gonna be tough, but we we could take them. 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:29.839 We could take them, right. 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.160 What am I bringing this up for? Because the Heat won? 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:37.600 No, that's not why, that's why, That's not why I'm 0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:41.240 bringing it up. Because remember the Heat don't talk to nobody. 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:46.040 Nobody right during this time of year, they locked in. 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.080 Eric sposed, the phenomenal coach, one of the best ever. 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:56.359 They locked in. It's eleven thirty, at nine, I get 0:54:56.400 --> 0:55:03.920 a text message. It's from Jimmy Butler, y'alling next, and 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:21.600 I went like this, my heart, my heart, My heart 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:26.400 has never hurt so bad over a basketball game before 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:29.880 the game than that, because when he said that to me, 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:35.480 in my heart, I knew they're gonna get us, but 0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:38.880 I couldn't admit it to myself. I'm like, holding up. 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:40.680 Come on, come on, Jayleen. 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:45.040 Did it take you to answer that text message immediately? 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:54.680 I said, oh, damn, said damn, and that's all I said. 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.839 That's all he said. That's all he said. He had 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:03.960 said next you saying all my Knicks fandom, and everything 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:05.520 came down and I went. 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:09.560 On first take the next day. See he said were next? 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:14.759 Still were next? I said, come on, y'all, come on, y'all. 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:18.680 And then I go to the game and he just 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.719 looked and he said word. 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.000 He just shook his head out. Tiger. 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:26.240 That was a student. 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.680 It was at one point, this is you just said. 0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:31.120 One of your big disappointments. 0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:34.200 One of mines was I felt like we had a 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:38.319 chance to get Lebron at one point twenty ten. Yeah, 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.160 you had just got nine, right, so we had we 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:44.360 had a chance to get Lebron. Yeah, why didn't James Dolan? 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:47.480 Why didn't the next organization go all out? If they did, 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:48.879 they just didn't have anything to offer. 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:53.279 Like like James Dolan's pitch was, come to me and 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:56.839 I'll make you a billionaire. That was his pitch. 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:58.480 That's kind of like a cool pitch, right. 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.440 I know that unless you believe you're gonna be a 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:04.839 billionaire without him, which is what Lebron believed. All right, 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:09.520 So that was number one. So Lebron, they in Cleveland. 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:15.320 You know, you got Donnie Walsh rolled in in a wheelchair, 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:18.240 you got James Dolan, who don't have the greatest reputation. 0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:21.760 You got d'An toni and cast like that. All right, 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:27.480 that that that had to compete with pat Riley. Pat Riley, 0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:32.720 from what I was told, rolled up in there with 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:34.560 the championship rings. 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:40.480 And put them on the table. Shit, you want one 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.880 of these? You want one of these? 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.280 Now? If you remember, I'm the one that broke that story. 0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:49.360 I went on the air and I said, n I 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:52.120 said Lebron. I said, I said, Lebron. Now I'm talking 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:54.880 about Lebron's taking this. He's going to South Beach and 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.000 everybody was like, they would crucify me for three weeks 0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:59.360 because by this time I was going I was unemployed 0:57:59.400 --> 0:57:59.600 for them. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.600 I was unemployed, damn there for a full year. 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.840 I read. I had started off resurrecting my career by 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.360 going to Fox Sports Radio and I was doing morning radio. 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.400 And on that morning radio show, I announced to the 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:14.880 world Lebron going to South Beach. I had sources tell 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:17.400 me Lebron going to South Beach. This is three weeks 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:20.960 in advance. He taking his talents to South Beach. What 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:22.920 the hell does he know? The one he got fired 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.640 from ESPN? He don't know shit. You know, he ain't 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.320 doing this, he ain't doing that, blah blah blah. And 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:30.800 it was one of the hardest three weeks of my 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:33.800 life because I knew I was right. I knew my 0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:36.880 source was reliable. But if he had changed his mind, 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:40.320 you know, yes, it's something different, you know what I'm saying. 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:42.840 So it was like, and you know, the wolves were 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:44.840 circling because you know, cats wanted me to fall on 0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:47.280 my face. They wanted me to fail the whole nine. 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:50.880 And so had he announced that he was going somewhere else, 0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:53.439 you know, it would have made me look really really 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:55.640 bad at that particular moment in time of my career. 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:57.720 Nobody's right all the time. You only go about what 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:00.560 your sources tell you. But at that time time in 0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:03.880 my career, having been let go by ESPN a year earlier, 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.400 having starting to resurrect myself on Fox Sports Radio in 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.400 the morning time, with Fox Sports Radio not really getting 0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:12.560 that kind of shine, and now the eye of the 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.200 sports world was on Fox Sports Radio because of what 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:20.320 I reported. That night that Lebron announced he was taking 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:24.480 his talents to South Beach was one of the most stressful. 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:26.920 Nights of my entire life. But because because you got 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:32.760 the prop store for that. Yeah, but I'm saying because 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:33.680 he could change his mind or whatever. 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:35.800 So had he said he was taking his talents everywhere 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:37.880 anywhere else, they would have said I was wrong. 0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:39.439 I't know what I was talking about. 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.040 No wonder ESPN let his ass go blah blah blah 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.840 blah blah. So all of that was going on, right, 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:47.680 And I knew my sources, and I knew my sources knew, 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:50.520 so I had no doubt. But that didn't mean he 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.480 wouldn't changed his mind. And so that's what I was 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:56.000 dealing with. That's what I was living with. And ultimately, 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:58.240 when he decided to take his talents to South Beach, 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:01.800 it's because, first of all, him and d Wade was 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.240 supposed to be here. Whether Mello wants to admit it 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.560 or not, Melo was supposed to be here. I'm the 1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:07.400 one that told you that. 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:07.960 And hold on. 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:10.160 I also thought that Melo was supposed to join him 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:11.280 with the Knicks at one point. 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:14.000 No, no, no, no, that wasn't it. Okay, they were 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:18.440 supposed to join. They had made a pack. Yo, we 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:21.320 going to negotiate our deeals in two thousand and seven 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:24.760 to have an out after year three, so we have 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:28.640 an option to be opt out and become free agents 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:33.720 to go wherever we want to go. Melo was like, Yo, 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:38.360 I'm from Baltimore. I ain't passing up that guaranteed money. 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:41.880 Denver offered me five years. I'm gonna take the five years, 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.240 which wouldn't make him a free agent. 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:45.400 Until a couple of years later. 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:50.240 It was supposed to be d Wade, Lebron and Mello, 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:54.920 but Mello locked himself into the cash in Denver and 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:59.920 as a result, Bosh opted out, and because Bosh opted out, 1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:02.960 Bosh ended up going there with them, and Melo had 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:05.880 to force his way out of Denver a year later, 1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:08.959 of Denver a year later to come to New York City. 1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:13.200 But had Melo kept the option, he had an option 1:01:13.840 --> 1:01:16.760 to get out in twenty ten, it was going to 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:20.760 be Melo, Lebron and d Wade. Now they will tell Now, 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:24.600 I don't know. I've never heard them admit it. I 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:27.320 don't give a shit what they say. I'm telling you 1:01:27.480 --> 1:01:33.680 what I know. Melo, Lebron and d Wade they can't 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:37.320 go on their shows. They go on their shows. They 1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:39.920 can talk whatever they want, they can tell whatever story 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:40.360 they want. 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:43.440 I'm the one that reported it. I'm the one that 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:44.240 broke the story. 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:49.160 I'm telling you the intel that I received it was Mello, 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:54.760 d Wade, Lebron and because Melo had opted out, had 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:57.360 not opted out and took the five full years for 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:00.600 eighty mil from Denver at that time, that's why didn't happen. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:04.240 And I got Mello on camera on my show quite 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:06.960 frankly on ESBN two it at that time saying, Yo, 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:11.680 I wasn't walking away from the guaranteed dollars. Wow. Yeah, 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:14.720 So it was never supposed to be bosh. Wow, it 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:17.280 was supposed to be Mello. And now we sit here 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:20.840 and looking at an illustrious career, a scoring machine, a 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:24.320 future Hall of Famer in Carmelo Anthony, who's never won 1:02:24.400 --> 1:02:28.480 a championship. And we all know if that brother was 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:32.520 with d Wayne and Lebron, he'd have had at least 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.960 those two and probably three of the four. Because you 1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:38.760 can't convince me when Lebron And that's one of the 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:43.000 reasons why, and I speculating in fairness to Lebron, Me 1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:45.200 and Lebron are respectful to one another. I got mad 1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:48.440 respect for him. Incredible role model, incredible play. I got 1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:51.080 him number two all time behind MJ is the greatest 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:52.480 play in the history of basketball. 1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:55.520 All of that stuff, major major pross with him. But 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:57.280 that's the biggest reason we don't fuck with each other. 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:01.600 Because it was a chuk job against the Dallas Mevericks 1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:03.200 and I called it. 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:05.400 I said, Yo, it's a joke job. 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:11.440 You understand you can't have Jason Terry or JJ Brea 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:16.200 guarding you in the fourth quarter. That's it excusable, you 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:17.160 Lebron James. 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:19.320 And that's what happened. 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:22.120 Because he hadn't learned how to win yet to the 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:25.000 degree that he that he did. And see when I 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:27.680 think about measuring just to shift a little bit, if 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:31.720 you don't mind, when I think about the goat, that 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:37.800 is the ultimate reason why I have MJ over him. Statistically, 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:40.600 that's fine. Hell with all of that, Jordan averaged over 1:03:40.720 --> 1:03:44.919 thirty about nine times, nine time defensive All Defensive NBA 1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:47.680 First Team, ten times scoring tacking we were talking about 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:49.440 he went't he all at and played in a different 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:51.880 area that was far more physical than it is now. 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:58.960 The issue is this the road to prosperity matters. Think 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:01.960 about what you have gone through in your life. You 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:04.400 ain't talking about hip hop, talk about your life, the 1:04:04.600 --> 1:04:07.240 obstacles that you had to overcome to get to where 1:04:07.320 --> 1:04:11.680 you are. The greatness isn't measured by just your skill 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:14.520 set and your success and where you landed you Jay Zu, 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:17.000 l L you others. It's not that it's the road 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:20.160 you travel. If you born with a silver spoon in 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:23.280 your mouth thinking you hit a whole run when you 1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:28.120 started off on third base, that's entirely different than starting 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:31.960 off from nothing and getting to where you are. And 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:35.000 so what I'm saying is MJ had to do that 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:39.880 with Lebron. The difference is, as MJ was climbing, you 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:42.480 never looked at him and said, he's the reason y'all 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:46.960 in win In that Dallas series, Lebron was the reason 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:50.960 you didn't win the title the first year in Miami. 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:57.960 You should have had three titles. You should have had 1:04:58.000 --> 1:05:00.760 the title against ok See, the title against San Antonio, 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:04.760 the first title against Dallas. You should have had that. 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:11.320 They had an agent, Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, JJ Brea Okay, 1:05:11.720 --> 1:05:14.400 Dirt Novitski of course was a superstar at that particular 1:05:14.440 --> 1:05:17.160 moment of time. We get that, but it wasn't Lebron, 1:05:17.400 --> 1:05:19.520 d Wade and bossing those brothers. 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:22.720 If Lebron shows up in that. 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:26.640 Series, and specifically in the fourth quarter, because first three 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:29.960 quarters he was there. Specifically in the fourth quarter, we're 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:34.760 talking about four consecutive fourth quarters of an NBA finals 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:40.480 where there was an apbolt for your ass. Yo, yo, 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:44.320 we just talking facts. Lebron. 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:46.479 I still have him number two all time. 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:50.200 I still think that he's a great player, a great person, 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:53.880 one of the great people. I mean, he's phenomenal. But 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:56.160 the fact of the matter is that's on your resume 1:05:56.880 --> 1:05:59.160 when we look at Jordan where you didn't beat the 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:01.760 Pistons because Scottie Pippen had that damn. 1:06:01.600 --> 1:06:03.640 Migraine in game seven against the Pistons. 1:06:04.120 --> 1:06:06.520 You see what I'm saying when you finally overcame the 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:08.880 Pistons and you got to the finals. Although it was 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:11.240 an agent magic and it was Lade Devak instead of 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.240 Kareem and all of a sudden, you still smoked them 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:16.400 in five, still smoked them in when Jordan switched hands 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:18.280 in the mid in all that stuff and gave two 1:06:18.320 --> 1:06:20.320 and all of that stuff. You saw what the brother 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:24.040 did to Drexler and Kersey and all of those brothers 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:25.760 when he went against them in the second go round, 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:26.760 third go round. 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:30.040 It was Barkley with Kevin Johnson, Damn Marley, and. 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:34.280 We saw that. We saw him retire, come back, come 1:06:34.400 --> 1:06:38.400 back in the second year with seventeen games left, lose 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:43.600 in the playoffs against Nick Anderson and Dennis Scott and 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:47.600 Shaquille and Harrast and we saw them carry Horras Grant 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:50.560 as former teammate, off the court and the shoulders, and 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.640 that brother went out and got robmin and the next 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:56.400 year they took him out four straight, swept them, blew 1:06:56.480 --> 1:06:58.440 them out of the building. I mean there was an 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:02.560 annihilation because Jordan and Pippen had you scared to dribble 1:07:02.640 --> 1:07:05.680 the ball because they were pressing you full court. It 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:10.160 was unreal. We saw you beat GP and Sean Kemp. 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:13.280 Remember Sean Camp. I'm not talking about Sean Clump. I'm 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:17.440 talking about Sean saying, I'm talking about that brother. You 1:07:17.640 --> 1:07:20.680 beat him. We saw you beat Malone and Stock then 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:24.200 not once, but twice. This is what we saw at 1:07:24.320 --> 1:07:27.640 what we saw him against Portland. Jordan against Portland and 1:07:27.760 --> 1:07:29.920 we saw him not look great in game six and 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:34.280 Phil Jackson pulled him to the bench and the reserves 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:37.040 came back on like a fifteen to two run or 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:39.920 whatever it was. But we also saw Phil Jackson put 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:42.400 his hands right back in that game to close. This 1:07:42.600 --> 1:07:46.720 is Jordan were talking about. You didn't see that lebron 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:51.400 in that series against Dallas. My point in all of 1:07:51.760 --> 1:07:53.720 in saying all of that with the story is this, 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:59.400 when we're measuring greatness, it's not about your resume. 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:01.480 All of y'all got a resume. 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:07.840 It's about moments and when those moments arrive, where you at, 1:08:09.040 --> 1:08:09.440 Who are you? 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:10.840 Who are you now? 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:14.120 If it's an aberration, and it's something that you've never 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:16.439 done before you being asked to do it. That's different. 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:19.720 But when you got a game that's hurt your leg, 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:24.320 and it's that way throughout the regular season, throughout the first, second, 1:08:24.400 --> 1:08:26.960 third round, and then you get to the finals and 1:08:27.080 --> 1:08:30.479 all of a sudden it evaporates, that's a problem. That's 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:33.880 a problem because it's you not being able to do 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:37.400 what you normally do when the moment arrives. This ain't 1:08:37.439 --> 1:08:39.799 stephen A choking with some damn first picture Yankee Stadium, 1:08:39.840 --> 1:08:41.040 when I never stepped on the mount on my. 1:08:41.080 --> 1:08:43.840 Damn life's on, I did I got I did. 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:46.200 I made a business decision. 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:47.200 I made a physics decision. 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:49.160 I'm I'm trying to get it over the plate. But 1:08:49.240 --> 1:08:50.800 when I'm not gonna do is bust my ass on 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:53.479 national television on mount. I'm not doing that, all right. 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:55.160 So I made a business decision. But I choked. This 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:57.120 done over. But I've never been on a mound before. 1:08:57.800 --> 1:09:00.160 That's entirely different than me being on a mount all 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:01.760 the time and I'm throwing strikes and then all of 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:03.880 a sudden, the moment of rids and I can't find 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:04.559 the strike zone. 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:08.559 There's a difference. And I'm saying to you, we ain't. 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:12.400 Never said that about MJ, and that is why MJ 1:09:13.160 --> 1:09:16.800 has got status amongst those of us who know. 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:19.760 Like, I watched Gilbert Arena say that he thinks the 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:21.840 NBA got soft because the Europeans. 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:25.200 Right, Okay, I thought it was an interesting take. 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:28.800 Gilbert knows basketball, and I respect the hell out of Gilbert. 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:31.559 Never I never looked at it like and he said, 1:09:31.560 --> 1:09:33.479 he said, they don't play defense, right, they just want 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:35.560 to shoot jumps yet, right, So that's what made it 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:36.200 a soft. 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:38.799 Well, I'm gonna say that because monod Genoblei played defense 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.920 min Ad. You know, Rudy Gobert is a three time 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:43.719 defensive player the year. That brother ain't from the States. 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:46.439 I mean, you got European players that play defense, not 1:09:46.520 --> 1:09:48.639 all of them, not all of the but he's right 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:50.759 for the most part in terms of how they change 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:54.280 the complexion of the game. But understand why they changed 1:09:54.280 --> 1:09:56.720 the complexion of the game. If we're gonna be listening, man, 1:09:56.760 --> 1:10:04.320 we're gonn here on drink champ. It's the brothers fault. 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:10.200 It's the brother's fault. Let me tell you how the 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:17.040 NBA is a business. They about making money. You make 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:21.479 money is sports when you make your product attractive to 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:26.960 the masses. So you got the bad boy Pistons right, 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:31.640 very physical game. NBA wanted to take that out. They 1:10:31.720 --> 1:10:35.160 thought they were successful. Then Raleigh went out and had Oakley, 1:10:36.400 --> 1:10:40.240 you wing Mason. You see what I'm saying, Catholic and 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:42.600 even at the guard part either that, don't say no, 1:10:42.680 --> 1:10:44.439 damn Charles Smith. Don't get me started with its five 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:45.360 Miss Labs don't want. 1:10:45.240 --> 1:10:45.479 To hear that. 1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:47.960 We ain't going that route. But what I'm saying is 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:50.800 for what I'm saying is is that when you have 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:56.280 that right. So you got these rough riders, okay, and 1:10:56.760 --> 1:10:59.040 if you remember, you remember this, you appreciate you gonna 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:00.960 get me a high five on this one or for 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:05.760 Mace or four Oakley Kim Banister, remember that brother we're 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.559 talking about that brother, got that brother straight off the streets, 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:11.639 straight off the streets. I mean, he was like, I'm 1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:13.719 gonna said, you're entertained. It was doing case of comedy 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:15.640 and he was joking around and that you can't have 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:21.720 a black person in hockey. They'll just beating around. That 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:24.439 was Banister. He was that kind of dude, right, So 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:27.160 Roles was like that to me. 1:11:27.400 --> 1:11:29.360 Yeah, but I'm saying he Banister. 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.519 Preceded him, as my point, and then you don't forget 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:32.320 Zavie mc daniel. 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:33.920 Don't get him right now on. 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:37.160 Scarre nobody rough riders, right, So what did Riley do? 1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:38.799 Riley said. 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:43.160 He ain't got the talent to be we ain't got 1:11:43.200 --> 1:11:47.120 the talent to beat Chicago. But if we get enough 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:50.720 dudes that could snatch their heart, we could get them. 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:55.760 And obviously you couldn't do that to m J. But 1:11:56.000 --> 1:11:58.200 that's the only reason you couldn't do it to them, 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:01.040 because they were giving Scottie Pippen in the Those Cats nightmare. 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:04.200 You see what I'm saying. So my point is as 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:08.680 the game evolved the NBA, particularly with the Dream Team, 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:11.360 the original Dream Team in Barcelona, you're seeing all of this, 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:16.880 and as the game evolved, you saw what attracted the 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:19.720 global market to the sport. 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:20.920 That wasn't gonna do it. 1:12:21.880 --> 1:12:23.640 You want to see shooters, you want to see a 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:26.400 more uptempo style, You wanted to see more for ness 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:30.519 because it ensured the likelihood of those players being on 1:12:30.680 --> 1:12:33.479 the court more when it counted than if you allow 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:37.000 the level of physicality to dominate the game that could 1:12:37.040 --> 1:12:40.599 compromise cats. A perfect example is, let's look at Steph Curry. 1:12:40.880 --> 1:12:43.280 I think that Steph Curvey is the greatest shooter God 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:48.720 ever created. I've had Hall of Fame easy, Okay, as 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:53.160 great as a Ray Allen was. Any shooter that tells 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:58.080 you that they were a better shooter than Steph Curry, 1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:00.960 bitchlapping them thrown off the show. Just get rid of it. 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:03.080 Just get rid of just get rid of them. 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:04.200 They're not being honest. 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:07.280 There is no shooter in the history of the game 1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:12.400 better than Steph Curry. Because you had spot up shooters, 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:15.280 you had catch in shooters, you had shooters that had 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:17.720 their favorite spot, right wing, left wing, top of the key, 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:23.240 twenty one feet, twenty three feet, twenty five feet. Steph 1:13:23.360 --> 1:13:29.000 Curry there is no spot, nor is there any range 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:32.519 that he can't touch. Do you realize with Steph Curry 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:34.719 you literally have to keep your head on the swovel 1:13:34.760 --> 1:13:37.240 from the moment he steps past half court. He can 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:40.840 pull up from forty He's that lethal. There has never 1:13:40.920 --> 1:13:43.879 been anything like him. But I've had Hall of Famers, 1:13:44.560 --> 1:13:48.519 hall of famers tell me he wouldn't average twenty a 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:51.400 game if he was playing an I era and I 1:13:51.439 --> 1:13:56.360 said what magic, I said what. But they weren't disrespecting him. 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:59.040 What they were saying was the game was so physical. 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.720 We could get away with hitting his helphet. We could 1:14:02.720 --> 1:14:05.120 get away with tripping them. We could get away when 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:08.040 he's running through those pics, giving him, giving him some wood. 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:09.040 We could do that. 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:11.200 You can't do that now. 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:14.200 And because you can't do that now, it would have 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:17.760 compromised them. What is the one thing that has compromised 1:14:17.800 --> 1:14:21.080 Steph Curry? Particularly earlier in his career, he had those 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:26.559 ankle injuries and those ankle injuries, those ankle injuries, Man, 1:14:26.560 --> 1:14:27.920 they would have stepped on his foot as he was 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:31.000 walking through screens on purpose, just stepped on his foot. 1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:32.960 How are you gonna catch the view the referee? There's 1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:41.040 an accident, you know. And listen, you had Lawrence Taylor 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:44.680 in football later on in life admitting, man, he was 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:48.840 sent prostitutes to the hotel room to the night before 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:54.280 the game for opponents. Your crazy stuff like that. I'm 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:57.360 just using that. I'm just using that as an example. 1:14:58.200 --> 1:15:01.439 I'm using that as an example to high like back 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:05.479 in the day, the extent they would go to to 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:11.839 derail an opponent. I know certain superstars one of the things. 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:12.320 They love to do. 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:14.240 See these are these And this is when I say, 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:18.880 when I can't say everything right, I'm no superstars. They were, 1:15:19.000 --> 1:15:20.960 in fairness to them, they were single, they weren't married. 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:27.920 They would literally go to go after your girl just 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:32.000 to mess with you before they played you, and then 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:34.320 step out on the court and bust your living ass. 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:37.160 And they said, just to demoralize you, gonna let you 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:40.360 know worship you can't mess with me. And literally when 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:44.160 they're doing that, you might go home thinking you ain't 1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:47.719 the man he is, and other departments after he gets 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:50.120 after they get through with you. And they did it 1:15:50.240 --> 1:15:54.040 on purpose. I'm just telling you. These are the stories 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:59.400 I'm telling you they told me. I'm like, I'm like, 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:02.200 I ain't making up, yo, this is what happened. No one. 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:04.479 I would never tell who. But I'm just saying to 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:07.519 you those kind of things. So when I'm covering the game, 1:16:08.360 --> 1:16:11.839 I'm bringing all of this up here to the equation. 1:16:12.360 --> 1:16:15.920 I sit up there and say, stay off the weed, right, 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:19.960 I'm not talking about brothers that he ain't costing you money? 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:22.880 How I got family members been smoking weed all their life. 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:25.560 You understand I'm saying, depending on whose relatives, how I 1:16:25.720 --> 1:16:27.840 go to, I might get a contact. You know what 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:30.519 I'm saying. I mean, come on, y'all, I'm like, I'm 1:16:30.560 --> 1:16:33.200 not talking about somebody, not for the week. I'm talking 1:16:33.240 --> 1:16:35.720 about when it's compromising your dollars, because you're gonna get 1:16:35.960 --> 1:16:37.519 you're gonna get fined, you're gonna get suspended. 1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:38.760 Don't let it mess with your money. 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:42.839 Back in the day, when I was covering the sport, 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:47.720 we sat courtside. We had the score his table, so 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:50.800 when you're playing, you're checking in, you have to walk 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:55.360 right by us. I saw Larry Brown one day and 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:59.120 this was not Iverson, it was not Cyrus. I saw 1:16:59.280 --> 1:17:02.439 Larry Brown one day look at a player three down, 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:05.640 three down. The player was right in front of me. 1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:10.479 He went like the huh. I threw up my paper 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:15.280 and just walked away. And my for god, he ain't 1:17:15.280 --> 1:17:20.000 gonna do nothing tonight. I'm like, I'm sitting there. I'm 1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:24.679 sitting there right now, ladies and gentlemen. That was when 1:17:24.880 --> 1:17:29.400 weed wasn't legal in twenty six, twenty seven, twenty six, 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:33.559 twenty I don't care step out. You know what I'm saying. 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:37.519 But I mean that was when we wasn't legal in 1:17:37.640 --> 1:17:42.400 twenty six to twenty seven states without diming anybody. Right, 1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:46.479 how much weed you think is being smoke before games? Now? 1:17:46.680 --> 1:17:48.600 Oh no, I think they're gonna I talked about and 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:51.160 any sport you pick, and oh, by the way, and 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:55.400 by the way, all you gotta do is look at them. 1:17:57.000 --> 1:18:00.080 So I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there like like you 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:03.639 you really mad when you see me on first take 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:08.080 and I'm like this, damn or I'm like this. 1:18:08.479 --> 1:18:09.839 I'm like this because I'm. 1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:12.240 Not saying stay off the weed to any specific person 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:14.400 to dimond mouth, because I wouldn't do that. But I'm 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:17.120 sitting there looking at them. He had a problem last night. 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:20.760 He ain't seemed like himself. You know what I'm saying, 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:22.080 You mad? 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:23.080 You mad? 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:27.320 But jass walk up to the scorer's table walling. 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:31.400 You know what I'm saying, I'm like and and that's 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:35.840 why when I'm watching cats with their podcasts and all 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:38.000 of this other stuff. See, you got people in the 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:41.640 media and other places pistol off because you're looking at 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:43.160 players and you're like, what they trying to do. 1:18:43.320 --> 1:18:44.960 Is they trying to etch out the media? 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:46.160 You just rely on us. 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:47.800 You ain't got to talk to them. Oh no, no, no, 1:18:47.880 --> 1:18:49.720 no no, I say, y'all looking at. 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:52.200 It all wrong. I want all of them to have 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:54.719 their their podcast, all of them to have their voice, 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:57.639 because they're gonna talk. And when they're gonna talk, I'm 1:18:57.640 --> 1:19:01.559 gonna have news to talk about because I'm I'm watching. 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:03.920 You can talk all you want to. You still got 1:19:04.040 --> 1:19:07.120 to play. I'm looking at you. You told the stuff 1:19:07.160 --> 1:19:08.960 you want. I'm looking at you. 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:10.920 I saw what your ass did. 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:14.519 I saw you roll up in the game. I saw 1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:17.240 you well enough, whether it's me in person or the 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:20.120 camera angle zoom and it on you. I saw how 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:23.160 blood shot your eyes was. I saw how you look 1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:27.240 like you could barely open that. I'm watching you move. 1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:29.760 I'm watching you move. I even went to the doctor 1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:30.479 the other day, man. 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:31.640 And I asked him. 1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:36.160 I said, yo, man, because it's this cat that that 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:38.599 I talked to for like ten X health, Gary Breck. 1:19:38.680 --> 1:19:40.960 I got him on my podcast now because I made 1:19:41.000 --> 1:19:43.040 a tremendous health change because I was really in bad 1:19:43.080 --> 1:19:44.639 shape a couple you know, a year and a half ago, 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:46.680 and stuff like that really resonmerect in my health. I'm 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:49.160 feeling better than I felt like thirty years right. So 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:51.080 I go to him, thank you, and I went to 1:19:51.160 --> 1:19:51.559 him man, I. 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:53.560 Said, let me ask you a question. 1:19:55.680 --> 1:20:02.320 Scientifically. Could you give the breakdown of weed and tell 1:20:02.479 --> 1:20:05.639 me what kind of effect it has on people? And why? 1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:08.559 Go to the podcast stephen A. Smithchelle on you too, 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:12.559 and he'll break it down. You ain't gonna have no problem. 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:15.000 You ain't gonna have no problem. None of y'all ain't 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:17.679 gonna have no problem. But when he said what he says, 1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:21.600 you're gonna ask yourself, should them brothers be doing that? 1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:25.000 If they gotta play, they gotta play it, probably because. 1:20:24.720 --> 1:20:30.400 You gotta remember, calms your mood, mellows you out, helps 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.479 you sleep, et cetera, et cetera. You know what it 1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:40.800 doesn't do. It doesn't elevate your level of urgency. So 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:47.400 let's say, for example, you going against Kobe, who wasn't 1:20:47.479 --> 1:20:50.960 doing that, or you're going against Jordan to somebody like 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:54.479 that who wasn't doing that. Now right right, and you 1:20:54.680 --> 1:21:01.600 mellow and they killers, what chance do you have? You 1:21:01.800 --> 1:21:05.680 have no chance because there's a level of urgency that 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:09.240 they feel. You get the check, you. 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:11.760 Get in the bag, and on top of it all, 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:15.040 you know, everybody know you can ball, so you ain't 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:15.599 no scrub. 1:21:15.920 --> 1:21:20.640 But did you win? See that's where Steven Ay comes in, 1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:24.640 because that's me like, yeah, dog, I know why the 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:28.760 hell you lost? I know what you didn't do. You 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:31.280 see what I'm saying, and I'm not I might be 1:21:31.400 --> 1:21:35.320 talking about them, but I'm not talking to them. I'm 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:39.040 talking about that audience out there to say, let them 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:44.080 talk that shit they want to. I'm telling you you 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:47.479 gotta hold them more accountable than that. You can't always win, 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:50.439 but you gotta be able to look at any professional and. 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:54.680 Go like this, did you do all it them to win? 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:59.080 Because as a Nick fan, if a Nick walked in 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:06.240 here and looked you in your face, yeah man, you know, yeah, 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:08.719 you know he tried to win, you know, but ship happened. 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:12.720 Ain't no big dead. You're gonna be like this. I 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:15.000 don't like you, gonna be like this. I don't like 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:20.519 give like, I don't like I don't like you. I 1:22:20.560 --> 1:22:24.160 don't like him because you're like, wait a minute, it 1:22:24.240 --> 1:22:28.639 ain't non schalm, it ain't blase what you mean. That's 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:31.560 how you gonna feel that's me. 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:34.080 Let me ask me, let me change the subject a 1:22:34.120 --> 1:22:37.120 little bit, but it's still on the same subject. Do 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:40.240 you think Lebron is a victim of his circumstances, because, 1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:42.920 like you said, the league has changed, right, So a 1:22:42.960 --> 1:22:47.640 lot of people accused of Lebron not having killer instinct, right, 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:51.640 But when I look at youngsters who only have like 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:56.599 me me personally, was here what I was about to say, Well, 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:59.080 she was here. He had T and T shirt jacket on. 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:02.479 But to me, and I know you could debate me. 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:04.920 I know this clearly of people who could debate me 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:07.720 what I'm about to say right now, sure me, I 1:23:07.800 --> 1:23:10.759 think Floyd Mayweather is the best box of all times, Okay, 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:11.599 because I've seen. 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:14.280 Clearly the best defensive box of all time without Okay, 1:23:14.880 --> 1:23:15.719 I agree to both. 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:18.560 But I've seen all of his fights, right, So have 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:23.240 I missed some of I missed all of Ali's, I 1:23:23.320 --> 1:23:26.400 came a little late. I missed even some of Tyson's. 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:30.240 But I see all of Floyd. Maybe ironically, the only 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:32.640 fights I didn't see is his exhibitions. 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:33.640 I can't stand it. 1:23:33.720 --> 1:23:34.200 I love him. 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:36.360 I love him too much for his for his legacy 1:23:36.400 --> 1:23:41.240 on the line, but is Lebron? Is Lebron a victim 1:23:41.240 --> 1:23:46.600 of his circumstances? Meaning, could you think Lebron could have 1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:48.440 survived in the Kobe Jordan. 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:54.800 Era survive, yes, prosper I'm not so sure. Allow me 1:23:54.920 --> 1:23:55.439 to explain. 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:56.120 I would like it. 1:23:56.240 --> 1:23:58.719 Let me explain I would like And before I answer 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:01.719 that question, let me say this. Let's not forget Sugar 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:05.720 Ray Leonard. That's right, Let's not forget wi Fredo Benitez. 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:10.200 It's a bad brother. Let's not forget Salvador Sanchez who 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:11.360 died in the plane crash. 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:13.599 I forget to come on, no, no, no, we can 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:14.080 forget him. 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:17.559 We can forget now. He went on that level. Hector 1:24:17.600 --> 1:24:19.960 Camacho was nice, but he went on that level. Okay, 1:24:20.360 --> 1:24:22.560 I'm giving you dudes, that was on that level. I 1:24:22.680 --> 1:24:26.320 would say Aaron Pryor, but he but he took too 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:29.280 many many punches. He just he'd just take you out. 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:31.320 That had the gloves. 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:33.120 I don't think so, but I know what I know, 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:35.040 I know they would he be a Lexus of Guilo, 1:24:35.479 --> 1:24:37.439 a Lexus Aguilo. They were talking about. 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:38.840 Give him the stuff, give him the stuff. 1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:40.920 I don't know what the hell of stuff was, right, there. 1:24:41.000 --> 1:24:43.519 I don't remember remember that, But let me tell you 1:24:43.680 --> 1:24:46.400 why I answered the Lebron James question that way, because 1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:49.880 that's a great question that you asked, and everybody need 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:57.240 to understand this. Just like I talked about moments, you 1:24:57.320 --> 1:25:02.120 got to talk about competition. So when we're talking about competition, 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:06.400 right then it has to be something along the lines 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:10.799 of what would have happened had you gone against those people? 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:19.439 Feel me, when Lebron was struggling to develop the killer 1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:23.120 instinct that ultimately was in him and he was able 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:27.760 to conquer to ultimately beat a young OKC team after 1:25:27.840 --> 1:25:29.880 he had beating Boston to get, you know, to the 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:33.360 finals and all this other stuff right in the enda. 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:37.080 Actually too, what I'm saying to you is that while 1:25:37.200 --> 1:25:40.960 you were learning how to win, would Jordan have ever 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:41.559 let you learn? 1:25:42.800 --> 1:25:44.679 See, here's what you have to understand. 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:51.920 Michael Jordan is six and oh in NBA Final Series, 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:59.360 MVP of every single NBA Final Series, incredible who never 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:02.639 allowed series to get the game seven, not one time, 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.320 not one time. And so when you say to me, 1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:12.479 Lebron playing in that Jordan era a threat to MJ 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:18.400 then what we have to ask ourselves is how would 1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:25.120 MJ have responded to a perceived threat. You don't get 1:26:25.200 --> 1:26:31.439 to dismiss that. You gotta absorb that. You gotta absorb. 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:40.400 I they saying, yo, ass can take me out. There 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:44.800 are people saying that to Michael Jordan. How would he 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:51.680 have responded? And I'm telling you, I believe because of 1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:55.680 what I saw from Lebron in that fourth in the 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:59.759 fourth quarters of those of that series against the Dallas Mavericks, 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:04.000 right that Michael Jordan would have never allowed him to 1:27:04.200 --> 1:27:07.639 find out what it was to win. 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:13.240 That's what I'm saying. That's the difference. And so when 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:14.000 people talk to. 1:27:14.000 --> 1:27:17.439 Me, yeah, Lebron's an ultra talent and Lebron and MJ 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:21.920 was a six ' nine to sixteen, But my resorters, well, 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:24.559 Lebron is six nine to sixteen and still lost six 1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:32.040 NBA finals. He didn't lose six, even at ten, but 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:36.840 he lost six. You had Boston in his way when 1:27:36.880 --> 1:27:40.479 he was younger, Mam Jay. You had Detroit in his 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:47.920 way when he got older. Lebron had Indiana with Paul 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:53.439 George and Rick Smith's you know, and shit like that. 1:27:54.200 --> 1:27:56.240 We were yeah, I'm not even saying Rick Smith's but 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:59.760 but but but Paul George and the crew. I'm sorry, Uh, 1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:05.360 Roy Herbrick, That's right, Roy Herbrick, Okay, And I like Roy, 1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:07.639 but I'm saying this. You had that kind of stuff. 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:11.800 You ain't have Boston with Bird Michel parish age, and 1:28:12.320 --> 1:28:15.280 you ain't have Isaya du Mars fit need a micro 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:19.600 wave coming off the bench, Sally Lambard. I mean, what 1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:25.000 what you ain't had that you ain't had? That you 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:33.120 had you had you had Indiana early, Toronto late with 1:28:33.320 --> 1:28:35.200 DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry. 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:37.599 Much respected both, much respect to both. 1:28:37.920 --> 1:28:41.320 But that's what you had. You didn't have those obstacles. 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:46.240 That is how I look at it, and that is 1:28:46.360 --> 1:28:53.640 why Lebron James will never be my goat ever. It 1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:58.160 will always be Michael Jordan over him. But mad respect 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:00.760 to him. He's on the Mount Rushmore basketball, incredible role 1:29:00.840 --> 1:29:04.320 model on this day and age, social media beyond. He's incredible. 1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:05.840 He just ain't MJ. 1:29:06.680 --> 1:29:08.320 Is it possible, And I know this is going to 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:11.120 sound like a cliche type of question, Is it possible 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:15.840 that Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Lebron is all some 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:17.000 of the greatest of all time? 1:29:17.120 --> 1:29:17.320 Sure? 1:29:17.600 --> 1:29:19.719 But when you compare it to each other then. 1:29:21.040 --> 1:29:23.840 And that's why I get pissed because of the sensitivity. 1:29:24.160 --> 1:29:26.160 Like I've said to Lebron teams, the Rich Paul and 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:27.719 the Maverick Carters of the world and others. 1:29:28.920 --> 1:29:29.680 I remember I said to. 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:35.160 Rich Paul, you act like it's an insult to call 1:29:35.280 --> 1:29:37.439 him the second greatest player of all time. 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:40.479 Rich Paul said, it isn't in I can't talk to you. 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:41.840 I can't talk to you. 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:43.840 You know what I'm saying. 1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:45.360 You know what I'm saying. I ain't talking to you. 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:46.080 I'm not wasting my. 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.519 Time to beat above Kobe, which is very side. 1:29:49.040 --> 1:29:51.760 But the reason why is because Lebron played the dec 1:29:51.800 --> 1:29:55.920 he Kobe is number two to MJ playing the identical 1:29:55.960 --> 1:29:59.280 position with the identical style. And so my point is, 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:02.400 I'm looking at Lebron and thinking about the point forward 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:05.519 that you are, you know, a Magic Johnson type who 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:09.320 can still put up twenty seven a night in your career, rebounds, 1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:13.760 assist playmaking ability, scoring ability, and at one time was 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:15.800 an elite defender for at least one year. 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:18.360 And so when I'm looking at all of those things. 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:23.040 That is what I put over Kobe because he facilitated 1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:26.760 winning to a graded to an even greater degree in 1:30:26.880 --> 1:30:30.360 the visually as Kobe did. In terms of making your 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:33.360 teammates better. Kobe was just an assassin, and so as 1:30:33.360 --> 1:30:35.879 a result, he emulated Michael, and he was the closest 1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:38.360 to Michael in that regard, but he was still number 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:39.679 two at the same position. 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:45.479 I'm going to give Labar respect. Well, I have no 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:48.880 idea me neither. Keep you going. I have no idea. 1:30:49.000 --> 1:31:00.519 That's all right, that's Kobe or somebody a TV ahead 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:03.920 as long wasn't hit me anyway. So anyway, it was like, 1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:07.040 that's the only difference. That's the disquade that you know. 1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:10.640 That's the nugget that I'm picking apart. That's it. 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:13.800 Okay, that was That was a great fucking ass. 1:31:14.120 --> 1:31:18.479 That was a great the flowers, Yes, Stephen A our show. 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:21.800 It's about giving the flowers to the people. I want 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:25.240 to tell you how much I watched you so much 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:33.479 that there's been times I got busy and I knew 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:36.679 that it was okay not to watch the game because 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:39.360 you're gonna cover it in the morning. And I enjoy 1:31:39.800 --> 1:31:44.519 sometimes watching you covering the game more than actually watching 1:31:44.600 --> 1:31:48.120 the actual game. You know what, I mean, because like 1:31:48.200 --> 1:31:52.040 you'll break it down and you're very very fair, you like, 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:55.880 but you're very firm. If a player has that two 1:31:56.000 --> 1:32:00.080 for eleven night, call it, you call it. So we 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:02.240 wanted to face the face man, the man give you 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:09.320 your flowers. Snoop Dogg said, is better than a Grammy 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:11.320 because it comes from his people. And we want to 1:32:11.360 --> 1:32:13.880 give you. But you know how great you are. I'm 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:16.680 gonna be honest in case you I know you know this, 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:19.800 but in case you don't know. You change the way 1:32:20.800 --> 1:32:24.040 we watch sports, We change the way that that that 1:32:24.200 --> 1:32:28.000 we articulate sports and we understand sports. And in case 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:31.040 anyone never told you, that's who you are, you are 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:37.600 you are go, I said in the intro, and I 1:32:37.760 --> 1:32:38.880 mean that I appreciate you. 1:32:38.920 --> 1:32:39.400 Know what I'm saying. 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:43.439 I mean you and you continuing to be great. You're 1:32:43.560 --> 1:32:46.840 here losing weight, doing you running around. We love, we 1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:49.679 respect you. Wanted to give your flowers, man, because you sincerely, 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:53.519 one million percent deserve your props every single days. 1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:54.280 You know what I mean. 1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:56.599 When people talk about you, I know why they talk 1:32:56.640 --> 1:32:58.160 about you because you're that You're that guy. 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:04.040 And we want to tell you how much we appreciate 1:33:04.160 --> 1:33:06.960 y'all thanks, Yeah, doing quick time? 1:33:07.040 --> 1:33:09.240 Oh yes, okay, all right, cool. You want to bring 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:17.240 in Sonny deal, Yeah, bring there, there, there there, come on. 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:20.120 This is the United Nations of this United Nations. We 1:33:20.200 --> 1:33:21.479 got a whole type of races here. 1:33:21.640 --> 1:33:24.080 I like it. They're talking about whatever y'all want. 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:27.160 Yes, so all right, you want to play him the game. 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:29.400 So now, this is a drinking game that we play. 1:33:30.479 --> 1:33:31.320 And I ain't no drinking. 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:33.800 You know, I'm taking a little bit to you can 1:33:35.240 --> 1:33:37.559 you can have a designated drinker like as for the shots. 1:33:37.920 --> 1:33:41.280 So we're gonna give you two choices. If you pick one, 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:44.120 no drinking. But if you say both are neither the 1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:47.280 politically correct answer. We all drink, got all. 1:33:47.200 --> 1:33:49.640 Of us, right, Yeah, we don't leave you cold, all right, 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:50.560 So I can't wait for this. 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:52.559 And then if you have any stories to go behind 1:33:52.680 --> 1:33:54.920 any of the names, always things that we bring up. 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:56.120 Okay, please please dive in. 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:57.000 No problem, no problem. 1:33:57.040 --> 1:33:58.920 By the way, I'm glad of this first question. 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:02.559 She bringing my drink. You're gonna do this first question 1:34:02.720 --> 1:34:03.000 so much. 1:34:05.120 --> 1:34:07.040 You can do like shots, you don't have to go great, 1:34:07.080 --> 1:34:12.680 well they said, I can sip on this drive, all right? 1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:13.120 By the way. 1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:17.400 By the way, Uh, these people who are about the name. 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:23.200 It's making hip hop so exciting right now, right, I 1:34:23.240 --> 1:34:26.719 don't necessarily at all. I don't at all co sign 1:34:26.840 --> 1:34:31.200 any any brothers beefing. I don't co sign that we shouldn't. 1:34:31.280 --> 1:34:34.639 But no sign competition, right, I don't compet I don't 1:34:34.680 --> 1:34:39.439 co sign drama. But if if me and you're gonna 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:43.040 go in the booth together and all go separately, and 1:34:43.200 --> 1:34:44.439 I'm gonna try to take your hands. 1:34:44.760 --> 1:34:47.720 You should listen when Kendrick Drake j Cole Lol, I'm 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:50.240 gotten that. The other day, all I said was, Yo, 1:34:50.360 --> 1:34:52.840 we grew up. The hip hop industry was born from 1:34:52.880 --> 1:34:55.560 that foundation. That the foundation of it, right you know. 1:34:55.680 --> 1:34:58.240 So that's the first question I gotta ask, is Drake 1:34:58.720 --> 1:34:59.679 or Kendrick Lamar? 1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:02.479 Damn such the ball? 1:35:02.520 --> 1:35:04.519 First of all, major props to both of them, Yes, 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:07.920 both for them and by the way, and by the way, 1:35:08.040 --> 1:35:11.640 as an aside, Kendrick Lamar did a hell of a 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:16.600 job acting in power. Oh yeah, yes, he was phenomenal. 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:19.920 He was phenomenal. He was I mean, he was it 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:22.479 was special. I'm gonna go with Drake. 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:29.120 Because even though everybody knows Kendrick Lamar and knows how 1:35:29.280 --> 1:35:35.200 gifted he is. You got too many people periodically trying 1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:40.160 to trying to come at Drake, and he's always standing. 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:46.120 Like mainstream globally. I mean, he's one of those dudes. 1:35:46.600 --> 1:35:49.920 It could be the look, it could be how he communicates, 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:54.840 it could be his flavor, it could be anything, but Drake, 1:35:55.200 --> 1:36:00.479 damn near seems impenetrable. And what I take from Drake 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:05.639 is I don't hear too many people coming at Kendrick Lamar. 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:09.960 Yeah, nobody really, I don't. But everybody always trying to come. 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:14.160 They drink. That's fact, and obviously I can relate to that. Right, 1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:18.479 So I'm gonna say, Drake, okay, Okay that I'm gonna say, 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:19.120 Drake okay. 1:36:19.920 --> 1:36:21.080 Does that mean I need to take a sip? 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:21.200 No? 1:36:21.280 --> 1:36:26.439 No, no, no, you don't got to drink? Yeah, Jordan 1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:27.400 or Lebron. 1:36:27.439 --> 1:36:28.600 Jordan, I was gonna switch it up. 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:29.760 There's nothing to talk about it, there's nothing. 1:36:29.760 --> 1:36:31.960 You don't even would have been. 1:36:32.360 --> 1:36:33.760 No, I'm not gonna say because i'ma switch it up. 1:36:33.800 --> 1:36:36.720 So well, yeah, okay, okay, you in or. 1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:40.840 Damn, I gotta go with the dream a keem O 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:43.479 Lodge one I mean he did beat him in the finals. 1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:45.560 He did bust his ass while he beat him in 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:48.559 the finals. He was the league MVP. He wasn't inn 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:50.040 be a finally, I mean a game to dream of 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:52.960 Lodge one, of something spectacular, I mean the dream shaking, 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:54.360 the whole nine. You gotta go with the chem to 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:56.360 dream of Lodge one. I respect you and appreciate him, 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:58.439 love him, But he wasn't a chem o lodge one. 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:09.120 Any smith of your hood feeling good about itself, right, yeah, yes, Ham, 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:11.200 Craig Elo, Robert Orby and all of those brothers. 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:16.439 Yet at nas or jay Z jay Z. 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:20.080 Now let me say this about let me I'll be 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:22.080 quick with it, because somebody asked me the other day 1:37:22.080 --> 1:37:24.719 and I picked them in them over Nas I'm thinking about. 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:27.320 I know Nas is special. I'm not trying to dismiss him. 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:31.479 He's phenomenal, but we appreciate him. I got to take 1:37:31.520 --> 1:37:35.559 into account how much you appreciated the world over, regardless 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:39.840 of communities, regardless of ethnicities, regardless of your heritage, where 1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:41.240 your locale is, whatever. 1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:42.959 I got to take all of those. 1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:48.040 Things into consideration. And obviously Eminem is something spectacular. Plus 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:53.000 he's white, and he's spectacular, and you got brothers standing 1:37:53.120 --> 1:37:56.080 down against him because they know how spectacular he is. Now, 1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:58.720 that doesn't mean Nas is doing it. Because Nas is 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:00.960 phenomenal in his own right, then we can't ignore that. 1:38:01.840 --> 1:38:04.040 But in the flip side to it is that I 1:38:04.160 --> 1:38:07.840 gotta acknowledge that when you talk about jay Z, I 1:38:07.920 --> 1:38:10.680 mean we're talking about somebody that I consider to be 1:38:11.560 --> 1:38:12.639 the greatest of all time. 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:17.720 And when you when you talk about jay Z, do 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:18.800 you know what you have to do? 1:38:18.920 --> 1:38:22.960 Sometimes you got to bring up Tupac and Biggie God 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:26.200 rest their souls and what they would have been if 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:30.400 they were still alive. To conquer jay Z. You don't have. 1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:36.360 You don't have a living creature in the hip hop 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:40.680 game that you say definitively eclipses jay Z. You just 1:38:40.720 --> 1:38:41.200 don't have it. 1:38:41.360 --> 1:38:45.719 But let me let me reiterate what you were saying earlier. 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:49.639 I think jay Z's a victim to his circumstances as well, 1:38:49.800 --> 1:38:52.719 because the rap game is really, really foul when Biggie 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:56.519 and Pop's going at it, and after Biggie and Pox's lost, 1:38:57.320 --> 1:38:58.800 it's kind of like the lebron. 1:39:01.080 --> 1:39:02.479 From the standpoint of what the. 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:05.719 Standpoint the emergence of jay Z is from wasn't as 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:06.400 hard core. 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:10.439 But what I'm saying is that's why I brought up 1:39:10.520 --> 1:39:13.240 You got to bring up Biggie Tupac, right. 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:15.680 I said, I said, because when you asked me that. 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:18.559 Question, I'm thinking about living rappers and all that other 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:20.880 and that you asked me if Biggie or Tupac could 1:39:20.880 --> 1:39:23.479 have been jay Z, I'd say yeah, A lot of 1:39:23.520 --> 1:39:26.920 people I'd say, yeah, they couldn't. That's a voidant not now. Now, 1:39:27.760 --> 1:39:31.920 to me, Biggie would have been that dude to rival 1:39:32.080 --> 1:39:37.360 jay Z. Tupac to me, as brilliant as he was 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:41.360 as an artist, he was just as potent and profound 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:42.360 as an activist. 1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:46.160 So because of that, I mean, when you go back, 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:46.800 he's multi. 1:39:47.160 --> 1:39:50.280 I mean, when you go back, when I think about 1:39:51.640 --> 1:39:54.880 myself some of the positions that I've taken some of 1:39:55.040 --> 1:39:56.960 I mean, because you know, you talk about me, I'm 1:39:57.040 --> 1:39:59.320 communicating sports, but I'm also talking politics. 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:01.200 I'm talking I'm talking a lot of different things. 1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:04.280 And when you if you really really paid attention to 1:40:04.360 --> 1:40:07.440 what I have to go up against and the platforms 1:40:07.479 --> 1:40:10.240 that I'm on, having to know, I got to deal 1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:12.760 with corporate America in the streets, and I got to 1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:16.400 do all of that. I think about not comparing myself 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:19.560 in any way, but I think about Tupac as a 1:40:20.160 --> 1:40:22.400 not as a comp not as something to compare to. 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:27.879 But I think about him as someone that I'm marveled 1:40:27.920 --> 1:40:32.759 at because when he stood before anybody and like literally 1:40:32.880 --> 1:40:36.960 spoke his mind, no matter what the subject was, you 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:41.080 was transfixed. You had to stand at attention and really 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:44.200 really listen, even if you are disagreed. And I've seen 1:40:44.280 --> 1:40:47.600 reporters and commentators and others disagree with him, but you 1:40:47.800 --> 1:40:50.200 have to shut the hell up and listen because what 1:40:50.320 --> 1:40:53.400 the brother had to say was deep and a lot 1:40:53.439 --> 1:40:55.120 of times I'll get on cats, you know what I 1:40:55.160 --> 1:40:56.720 mean like this. You know, one of the things is 1:40:56.760 --> 1:40:58.919 a pet peeve of mind from us in our community 1:40:59.040 --> 1:41:00.760 when we're like, yeah, you on, you know what I mean? 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:04.280 Know the fuck I don't you just speak yad, I 1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:05.320 don't know what you mean? 1:41:06.040 --> 1:41:09.400 Say it first. Now follow that up. I say, you 1:41:09.520 --> 1:41:12.439 know what I mean. You can't say it before you 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:14.880 know what I'm saying. I mean, you in the business 1:41:14.920 --> 1:41:16.639 that you know, you're out here trying to make paper, 1:41:17.120 --> 1:41:19.200 you trying to make some money. You know, you're talking 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:21.559 business with somebody, You got to roll up on them 1:41:21.840 --> 1:41:25.320 and speak fluently. You got to know how to communicate 1:41:25.439 --> 1:41:28.880 in a fashion that will resonate with them, to sell 1:41:28.960 --> 1:41:30.280 yourself on the opportunity. 1:41:30.280 --> 1:41:32.439 You're trying to get them to embrace with you. 1:41:33.200 --> 1:41:35.680 How are you doing that? Yeah? Man, you know you 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:37.479 know what I'm saying. You know, I'm just trying to 1:41:37.520 --> 1:41:39.719 you know, you know what I mean. No, I don't 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:44.320 please say yeah, and that drives me crazy. Say it first, 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:46.360 and then if you followed it up with you know 1:41:46.400 --> 1:41:48.000 what I mean? Yeah, I do know what you mean. 1:41:48.360 --> 1:41:48.800 I got it. 1:41:49.640 --> 1:41:56.240 You know what I'm saying. That's why I mean, we do. 1:41:56.520 --> 1:41:57.880 We make exceptions time. 1:41:58.040 --> 1:42:03.479 But sleepy Joe all crazy Trump, I mean, why do 1:42:03.479 --> 1:42:06.120 you have to give those words. I ain't gonna lie 1:42:06.160 --> 1:42:19.240 to you. Man, Listen, I've been on but let me 1:42:19.320 --> 1:42:21.640 be totally honest. Because we got we we got, we 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:26.360 got the streets watching. I'm not a fan of Trump 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:31.200 because I don't like the way he acts. I'm not 1:42:31.280 --> 1:42:35.320 in disagreement with all his policies. When I see cats 1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:38.320 out here acting up in the streets, y'all lucky, I 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:41.559 ain't president oh, this ship would be on the getting. 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:44.479 We're not gonna let you get in the way of 1:42:44.560 --> 1:42:49.040 business because business messages with everybody's money. We can't be 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.479 in Cali and they letting three people in the stores 1:42:52.560 --> 1:42:54.240 at the time because they scared you. 1:42:55.240 --> 1:42:56.160 We can't start that. 1:42:56.240 --> 1:43:00.599 We can't. We can't have the National Guard in the subway. 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:07.120 We can't have we can't have cats assaulting people on 1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:09.360 the streets and getting out of jail the same day. 1:43:09.880 --> 1:43:16.800 We can'ts My bodyguard is Dominican. I got family, I 1:43:17.479 --> 1:43:22.719 got family members. My family is from Saint Thomas, Virgin 1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:26.640 Island's Antigua, Saint Croix, stuff like that West Indies, and 1:43:26.760 --> 1:43:28.800 I got relatives from Puerto Rico. 1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:29.240 I got. 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:31.120 I got Puerto Ricans in my family career. 1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:35.439 So I'm saying all of that to say I would 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:39.160 never want anybody to say that I don't support immigrants, 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:42.080 because I do. But you got a whole bunch of 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:45.479 immigrants that are in this country that are telling people 1:43:45.560 --> 1:43:48.920 like me we have to stand in line. How the 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:51.160 hell you don't have to stand in line, and how 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:56.120 seven and a half million plus immigrants illegal immigrants coming 1:43:56.280 --> 1:43:59.519 now understand what we mean by illegal immigrants. That means 1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:03.559 you're coming into the country, you're undocumented, so they don't 1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:05.479 know when to find your where to find your ass 1:44:05.520 --> 1:44:09.120 when it's time to pay taxes. But you're pooling some 1:44:09.280 --> 1:44:12.559 of our resources and so as a result, what happens 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:16.000 is is that the American taxpayer has to come out 1:44:16.000 --> 1:44:19.120 of pocket extra to pay for you who came over 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:21.680 to the country illegally. Ain't got a problem with you 1:44:21.760 --> 1:44:24.599 coming here, but we gonna know where you at, where 1:44:24.640 --> 1:44:27.080 you at with your address, phone number, all that you're 1:44:27.080 --> 1:44:31.240 gonna pay security exactly. And so when you have that 1:44:31.479 --> 1:44:36.000 going on, and you got a president like Joe Biden 1:44:36.200 --> 1:44:39.240 that's acting like it in a crisis, then I got 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:42.519 to take history into consideration. And I was on a 1:44:42.640 --> 1:44:46.200 podcast Patrick Bett David just the other day and he 1:44:46.320 --> 1:44:49.560 brought this up, and he was absolutely right. So John F. 1:44:49.640 --> 1:44:52.479 Kennedy gets assassinated in nineteen sixty three and Linda B. 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:57.599 Johnson takes over the presidency because John jfk Is dead, 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:02.960 and you had a bipar artisan group of Republican senators 1:45:03.040 --> 1:45:07.800 and Democrats, Dixiecrats whatever, bringing legislation to the deaks for 1:45:07.920 --> 1:45:09.240 civil rights legislation. 1:45:10.000 --> 1:45:11.439 When he signed it in the law. 1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:16.719 He said, they uppitty, these blacks are upty, they're feeling themselves. 1:45:16.760 --> 1:45:18.760 Blah blah, blah blah blah. He said, we gotta do this. 1:45:18.800 --> 1:45:19.599 We gotta give a little. 1:45:19.640 --> 1:45:21.640 We can't give them too much, but we got to 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:23.840 give them a little, because if we give them a little, 1:45:23.840 --> 1:45:26.479 we'll have this. We'll have the negroes voting for us 1:45:26.560 --> 1:45:30.320 for the next two hundred years. That was his quote, right. 1:45:31.760 --> 1:45:34.920 So now fast forward to the year twenty twenty four. 1:45:35.840 --> 1:45:40.000 You can't tell me that this immigration quote unquote crisis 1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:43.960 isn't being utilized for one party or another to benefit 1:45:44.040 --> 1:45:48.800 from it. Politicians been using us forever, they may manipulating 1:45:48.960 --> 1:45:53.479 us forever. And so when I'm looking at that, I'm 1:45:53.600 --> 1:45:57.640 looking at the Democratic Party just letting cats in understanding 1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:01.519 the mayhem that's in the streets and basically facilitating it 1:46:01.640 --> 1:46:04.479 instead of addressing it with the further that it deserves. Though, Bro, 1:46:04.680 --> 1:46:07.920 you remember this, just a few weeks ago, fifty three 1:46:08.040 --> 1:46:10.960 million dollars in pre paid credit cards for legal immigrants. 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:12.679 You know how many times black people have been looking 1:46:12.720 --> 1:46:16.000 for prepaid credit cards reparations and every day, But you 1:46:16.080 --> 1:46:17.960 ain't having it for US, but you got fifty three 1:46:18.040 --> 1:46:19.760 million and prepaid credit cards for cats. 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:21.320 It ain't even citizens in this country. 1:46:21.640 --> 1:46:27.800 Yo, I don't like that even so again, exactly, it's billions, billions, billions. 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:32.639 But the wholenesses you can't address Israel Harmas. I don't 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:35.360 say Israel Palestinians, because we know that the Palestinians are 1:46:35.360 --> 1:46:37.960 a lot of them are innocent in terms of what's transpiring. 1:46:38.080 --> 1:46:41.559 But Harmas the terrorist group, and of course Israel they 1:46:41.680 --> 1:46:43.080 going at it and all of this other stuff. I 1:46:43.080 --> 1:46:44.760 don't get involved in all of that. But what I'm 1:46:44.800 --> 1:46:47.800 saying is you funneling money to Israel, you funneling money 1:46:47.840 --> 1:46:50.479 to the Ukraine. You follow them, the funneling prepaid credit 1:46:50.600 --> 1:46:51.879 cards to illegal immigrants. 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:54.800 But black people all behind the eight ball. 1:46:54.840 --> 1:46:57.680 And so for me, I'm no officientad with politics, but 1:46:57.800 --> 1:47:00.960 I'm practical. I'm intelligent enough to know what I'm reading, 1:47:01.280 --> 1:47:03.120 and I'm looking at certain things and I'm saying, wait 1:47:03.160 --> 1:47:04.760 a minute, I'm a black man in this sin, in 1:47:04.880 --> 1:47:05.400 this country. 1:47:05.840 --> 1:47:07.880 I understand what the hell you haven't done for us. 1:47:08.040 --> 1:47:10.120 I know you've been talking shit for decades, but the 1:47:10.160 --> 1:47:12.080 fact of the matter is our education system is still 1:47:12.160 --> 1:47:14.640 up in smoke. Wealth Fittism is up in smoke. You 1:47:14.720 --> 1:47:17.479 know what opposition to corporate America. When white folks catch 1:47:17.479 --> 1:47:20.400 a cold, black folks catch pneumonia. Everything that happens to 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:23.280 white folks is worse for black folks. The unemployment rate 1:47:23.360 --> 1:47:26.400 is below four percent, it's below it's it's damned there 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:27.920 three and a half percent for white people. 1:47:28.120 --> 1:47:29.040 What is it for black people? 1:47:29.080 --> 1:47:31.040 It's at five point six percenting, we bragging, We happy 1:47:31.439 --> 1:47:33.960 because it ain't higher, but it's always worse for us. 1:47:34.200 --> 1:47:36.240 So I look at all of those things and I 1:47:36.320 --> 1:47:38.000 say to myself, wait a minute, I'm not going to 1:47:38.080 --> 1:47:42.280 ignore what I'm seeing from the Democratic Party. My problem 1:47:42.400 --> 1:47:48.160 with Trump is this, to Dan Petty, you're the president 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:51.880 of the United States of America, and this brother will 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:55.559 go after Kathy Griffin or Stephen A. Smith or somebody 1:47:57.200 --> 1:48:00.720 you know addresses shit that really really goes on. You're 1:48:00.760 --> 1:48:04.719 looking at him and it's like, come on, man, you know, focus, focus, focus, 1:48:05.040 --> 1:48:07.800 you know I need to know that if you back 1:48:07.880 --> 1:48:11.720 in that office, you gonna govern the country, not just 1:48:12.000 --> 1:48:15.360 cater who got you in. Are you gonna be the 1:48:15.479 --> 1:48:18.120 president to all Americans? Or is it just to the 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:20.479 people faith you. I remember when John Lewis died. We 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:23.000 know what a warrior he was on behalf of our community, 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:24.599 the form of rep out of Maryland. 1:48:24.640 --> 1:48:25.040 What have you we? 1:48:25.560 --> 1:48:27.360 You know we know what he meant for us. Okay, 1:48:28.000 --> 1:48:30.559 he passes away. You don't even want to pay homage 1:48:30.600 --> 1:48:33.240 to him because you're talking about he never supported me. 1:48:33.840 --> 1:48:37.599 You see what I'm saying. I know you gave more. 1:48:37.720 --> 1:48:40.479 I know you gave money to HBCUs. I respect that. 1:48:40.800 --> 1:48:43.479 I know the economy is looking good before COVID. I 1:48:43.640 --> 1:48:46.479 know that you know, proclaimed to do certain things for 1:48:46.560 --> 1:48:49.000 black folks, and unemployment rate in the black community was 1:48:49.200 --> 1:48:52.200 was was low. I get all of that, But the 1:48:52.280 --> 1:48:54.839 flip side to it, I'm looking at your Supreme Court justices. 1:48:55.280 --> 1:48:58.439 I'm looking at them rolling back certain things. I'm looking 1:48:58.520 --> 1:49:01.800 at people who are fantasized about a time that once 1:49:02.120 --> 1:49:06.080 was meaning pre seventies, into the sixties, into the fifties, 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:08.000 and you down with that, and what do I take 1:49:08.040 --> 1:49:10.479 into account from that. I'm looking at the white population 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:12.800 that was once in the high eighties, then it doing 1:49:12.840 --> 1:49:16.759 them to the seventies. Now it says sixty and sliding. 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:20.479 And they're looking at legal immigrants coming into the country, 1:49:20.760 --> 1:49:23.960 and white folks are worried about themselves not being the 1:49:24.080 --> 1:49:25.479 majority any longer. 1:49:26.280 --> 1:49:29.719 You catering all that fear, you feeding into. 1:49:29.560 --> 1:49:32.680 It, which is why crowd boys and all of these 1:49:32.760 --> 1:49:35.880 other folks coming into it. So now it's hard for 1:49:36.000 --> 1:49:39.920 me to look at your politics when I'm worried about 1:49:40.000 --> 1:49:44.880 life and death situations for black folks throughout this country 1:49:45.200 --> 1:49:49.280 and for other minorities in this country, because I'm not 1:49:49.439 --> 1:49:52.760 accusing you of fomenting it on anything like that. Like 1:49:52.880 --> 1:49:55.320 folks try to lame him for the insurrection. Do I 1:49:55.400 --> 1:49:56.720 think he was provocative? Yes? 1:49:56.960 --> 1:49:58.240 Do I think he instigated shit? 1:49:58.360 --> 1:50:00.800 Yes? Do I believe that he called the vice You know, 1:50:00.880 --> 1:50:02.679 you sat up there and they were talking about hanging 1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:05.320 Mike Pence and you didn't do anything about it. Yes, 1:50:05.840 --> 1:50:09.519 But I also don't believe you should be arrested for 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:11.720 it and stuff like that, because I believe all them 1:50:11.800 --> 1:50:14.720 damn people out there were adults. They want children, They 1:50:14.760 --> 1:50:16.720 were grown ass adults who knew not to cross those 1:50:16.760 --> 1:50:19.240 barriers at the US Capitol, and if they were stupid 1:50:19.320 --> 1:50:22.479 enough to do it, hell with them. Okay, And that's true, 1:50:22.920 --> 1:50:26.200 But I'm looking at you, and I'm wondering. I know 1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:29.280 people talking about politicis we want a better economy, we 1:50:29.400 --> 1:50:32.120 want this, we want we want safer streets. I'm down 1:50:32.200 --> 1:50:36.960 for that, but if you the kind of do that 1:50:37.200 --> 1:50:42.680 would foster and provoke divisiveness. We ain't got time to 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:44.599 worry about all of that stuff when we worried about 1:50:44.600 --> 1:50:47.600 our lives. You see what I'm saying, And that's the 1:50:47.720 --> 1:50:50.479 message that I'm trying to do. His politics. I would 1:50:50.560 --> 1:50:54.719 love for his politics to be debated against Biden's politics, 1:50:54.800 --> 1:50:58.400 who I think has been a prisoner to the progressive left, 1:50:58.880 --> 1:51:02.080 the extreme left, because that woke stuff. Come on, y'all, 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:08.200 you know what. Listen, we brothers here, brothers and sisters, Blacks, Latinos, 1:51:08.280 --> 1:51:10.920 all of us are in here. We know how we 1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:13.880 were raised. I said it to Patrick bed David the 1:51:14.000 --> 1:51:17.000 other day. I said, my mother voted Democrat, but she. 1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:18.760 Was of a publican home. I said, she was a 1:51:18.800 --> 1:51:23.080 conservative at a conservative home. Is don't give a shit 1:51:23.120 --> 1:51:23.840 about the laws. 1:51:24.080 --> 1:51:24.800 This is the law. 1:51:25.040 --> 1:51:26.320 You will listen to. What the hell I have. 1:51:26.520 --> 1:51:30.400 She ain't got no rights, he negotiated. This is my house, 1:51:30.880 --> 1:51:34.160 and this is what you will do or else. You understanding, 1:51:34.280 --> 1:51:39.280 We understand that now everything's in negotiation, everything's to be understood. Well, 1:51:39.360 --> 1:51:41.720 you know what, my daughter, I got two daughters, Oh 1:51:41.800 --> 1:51:47.240 my daughter. You know there's nothing wrong with your daughter 1:51:47.960 --> 1:51:53.080 being in the same bathroom with a person that identifies 1:51:53.200 --> 1:51:56.519 themselves as a woman, even though they were born a man. 1:51:56.680 --> 1:51:59.640 Oh, yes to hell it is. Yes to hell it is. 1:52:00.000 --> 1:52:02.400 I don't give a deal what anybody says now again, 1:52:03.080 --> 1:52:07.080 transgender whatever, I support gay rights, transgender right or yo, 1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:09.519 live and let live, live and let live. I don't 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:13.439 support nobody bothering them, violating the civil rights, the civil liberties. 1:52:13.680 --> 1:52:15.920 But here's our problem in our society that I think 1:52:16.000 --> 1:52:21.560 the progressive left has contributed greatly to. They want you 1:52:21.680 --> 1:52:26.320 to like it like yo, y'all. No, I ain't going 1:52:26.360 --> 1:52:29.160 to no gay club. I'm not gay, But guess where 1:52:29.200 --> 1:52:31.759 else I'm not going. I'm not going to some pooring 1:52:31.840 --> 1:52:35.479 shop either. I'm not trying to hang out with poorn 1:52:35.560 --> 1:52:39.000 stars or prostitutes either who are heterosexual. 1:52:39.400 --> 1:52:40.320 I'm not trying to do that. 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:43.600 Everybody got a right to like what they like, have 1:52:43.760 --> 1:52:47.400 their own flavor, and not to not to and for 1:52:47.520 --> 1:52:53.360 you to try to impose that on other people, I 1:52:53.439 --> 1:52:57.160 can't accuse conservatives of doing that. It's the progressive left 1:52:57.240 --> 1:53:02.439 that's doing that. So again, Biden safer because we do 1:53:02.640 --> 1:53:04.960 have an economy that is doing well, even though inflation 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:07.959 is bad. But when I look at the legal immigration, 1:53:08.680 --> 1:53:10.280 when I look at the violence in the streets, and 1:53:10.439 --> 1:53:13.200 me being from Hollis Queen's taking the F train of 1:53:13.240 --> 1:53:15.840 the E train every day and all of this sudden shit, 1:53:15.920 --> 1:53:19.439 and I'm seeing the National Guard in the subways, I 1:53:19.640 --> 1:53:22.599 can't definitively tell you now, I can't vote for Trump. 1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:25.960 Damn it. I just can't because I think that he's 1:53:26.000 --> 1:53:27.800 too divisive. And if I saw him, I tell him 1:53:27.800 --> 1:53:30.000 to his face. And I can say that because remember 1:53:30.120 --> 1:53:32.519 before Trump became president, I was the curst person he 1:53:32.600 --> 1:53:33.479 called when he was trying. 1:53:33.280 --> 1:53:34.160 To buy the Buffalo bill. 1:53:34.280 --> 1:53:37.960 Remember he called me directly, called me directly, and he said, 1:53:38.160 --> 1:53:39.720 I'm trying to and I tell the story. I've told 1:53:39.760 --> 1:53:41.280 the story on first Take, I've told the story on 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:43.519 my podcast steven A. Smith Show, on YouTube. I told 1:53:43.520 --> 1:53:47.479 her everywhere. Trump called me in twenty fourteen. He said, Yo, 1:53:47.520 --> 1:53:52.920 stephen A, I want to buy the Buffalo bills. He said, 1:53:54.600 --> 1:53:56.800 these bastards look like they're going to get in my way. 1:53:58.000 --> 1:53:58.320 Quote. 1:54:00.000 --> 1:54:03.400 If them motherfuckers get in my way his exact words 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:06.559 are not cussing them, quoting, then motherfucker's getting my way. 1:54:07.560 --> 1:54:10.559 I'm gonna get them all. I'm gonna run for president. 1:54:12.120 --> 1:54:15.680 Those were his exact words, and sure enough he did 1:54:15.760 --> 1:54:19.479 it and one and so what I'm saying is so 1:54:19.600 --> 1:54:22.120 what I'm saying is I remember all of these things. 1:54:22.680 --> 1:54:24.840 I remember all of these things, and I look at 1:54:24.880 --> 1:54:27.920 things a little bit differently. You got black folks looking 1:54:28.000 --> 1:54:32.040 at Trump as racist. I remember when Trump, I remember 1:54:32.080 --> 1:54:34.320 when Trump. I remember when this first time time. I 1:54:34.400 --> 1:54:38.240 remember when Trump was throwing sporting events, tyson fights and 1:54:38.320 --> 1:54:40.760 other things at Trump Plaza. All of us were there. 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:43.880 We didn't think he was that dead. We didn't think 1:54:43.920 --> 1:54:46.320 he was that when we watched the Apprentice. We didn't 1:54:46.320 --> 1:54:48.320 think he was that when he was when he was 1:54:48.400 --> 1:54:51.840 at sporting events. But suddenly we think this. Here's what 1:54:51.960 --> 1:54:55.640 I think about Trump. Trump is a win at all 1:54:55.800 --> 1:55:00.000 courts kind of do. And if I got white supremacists, 1:55:00.640 --> 1:55:05.080 two women to to black folks who are conservative and 1:55:05.680 --> 1:55:09.120 everything in between, if that's what's gonna get me to win, 1:55:09.720 --> 1:55:11.560 I'll deal with the consequences late I'm trying to get 1:55:11.560 --> 1:55:15.520 an office. He's I think he's that dude that it's 1:55:15.640 --> 1:55:20.120 no moral or principled compass. It's whatever it takes to win. 1:55:20.640 --> 1:55:22.920 And if that's where the most votes are gonna come from, 1:55:23.320 --> 1:55:26.440 I'm willing to do that. Now, other people say, well, damn, 1:55:26.560 --> 1:55:28.640 if he's willing to allow all of that, doesn't that 1:55:28.800 --> 1:55:31.520 make him racist? Well, that depends on how you look 1:55:31.560 --> 1:55:34.400 at how important winning is to somebody, you know. So 1:55:34.520 --> 1:55:36.880 I don't look at it that way. I think Biden 1:55:37.040 --> 1:55:41.560 is safer for the country, but I don't know if 1:55:41.600 --> 1:55:46.440 it's better because of what he has allowed to transpire. 1:55:46.600 --> 1:55:50.800 And I will say this, I can, well, Biden, let's 1:55:50.880 --> 1:55:54.400 let's be, let's let's go. Biden's wrecking on the street again. 1:55:54.520 --> 1:55:58.560 I'm no official hold on, hold on, because I'm going 1:55:58.600 --> 1:56:04.400 where you're going. I ain't officionado, but I ain't stupid, 1:56:05.120 --> 1:56:08.360 and I'm kind of decently read, you know, I saying 1:56:08.400 --> 1:56:12.520 not well read, but decently read. I do remember Joe 1:56:12.600 --> 1:56:18.160 Biden with the crime Bill in the nineties. I do 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:22.000 remember how that led to mass incarceration for black people. Now, 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:25.120 I do remember the Congressional Black Caucus, the one that 1:56:25.280 --> 1:56:27.960 was pushing people like him and others to push those 1:56:28.040 --> 1:56:31.920 bills through. But I also remember Biden bragging that it 1:56:32.040 --> 1:56:36.200 was his and so when I look at that, along 1:56:36.320 --> 1:56:40.120 with various other things that he's done, I understand dealing 1:56:40.200 --> 1:56:44.240 with segregationists. It was a different time seventies eighties. You know, 1:56:44.440 --> 1:56:47.280 you had to work with everybody and go across the 1:56:47.440 --> 1:56:50.280 ale and all of that other stuff. But did you 1:56:50.400 --> 1:56:52.040 have to have those smiles on your face when you 1:56:52.120 --> 1:56:55.360 did it? Did you have to look and seem so comfortable? 1:56:56.160 --> 1:57:00.520 Did you have to, you know, speak so faciferously on 1:57:00.680 --> 1:57:04.760 the behalf of them and others where you talk about racism. 1:57:07.080 --> 1:57:12.200 I hate when our community, specifically the black community, calls 1:57:12.280 --> 1:57:17.800 out Republicans for being racist without calling out Dems. Last 1:57:17.840 --> 1:57:20.760 time I checked, there was a senator that died at 1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:23.160 the age of ninety seven. His name was Robert Bird 1:57:23.240 --> 1:57:26.880 out of West Virginia. He's a member and the leader 1:57:26.920 --> 1:57:31.440 in the kou Klux Klan. He was a Democrat. Yeah, 1:57:33.200 --> 1:57:35.080 you going back to the Jim Crow. So when you 1:57:35.320 --> 1:57:39.400 see stuff like that, I understand times have changed, But 1:57:39.560 --> 1:57:43.640 you're still asking me when you identify the conservative right 1:57:43.960 --> 1:57:45.560 as racist, to. 1:57:45.680 --> 1:57:48.800 Assume you're not. Who the hell are you to tell 1:57:48.880 --> 1:57:51.640 me you're not. Let me be the judge of that. 1:57:52.160 --> 1:57:55.280 What do you do? What do you foster? What level 1:57:55.320 --> 1:57:59.240 of dependency? Now we talk about black leaders throughout history 1:57:59.560 --> 1:58:04.120 in this country. You understand, from Marcus Garvey to Tomrroin, 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:09.920 Luther King and beyond always preaching about economic empowerment. The 1:58:10.040 --> 1:58:13.520 Democratic Party preaches about government dependency. The government, the government, 1:58:13.560 --> 1:58:14.960 the government, here we are, we'll look out for you, 1:58:15.000 --> 1:58:18.560 blah blah blah blah blah. So I'm mindful of that, 1:58:18.680 --> 1:58:21.440 and I pay attention to that. And the challenge for me, 1:58:21.560 --> 1:58:23.919 and I explained this the other day on that podcast 1:58:23.960 --> 1:58:26.280 that I was on. The reason why you don't see 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:29.760 me so definitive and finite about those things is because 1:58:29.800 --> 1:58:31.880 I don't know. I could be in front of a 1:58:31.960 --> 1:58:35.560 Democrat and give him these facts and this is their position, 1:58:36.040 --> 1:58:39.160 and give the same identical facts to somebody on the 1:58:39.240 --> 1:58:42.800 conservative side five minutes later, and they have two different 1:58:42.840 --> 1:58:45.000 spins and neither are wrong. 1:58:45.440 --> 1:58:46.800 That's very confusing to. 1:58:46.880 --> 1:58:49.560 A sports guy that gets to look at a champion 1:58:49.880 --> 1:58:52.600 compared to a wannabe, the chance to look at a 1:58:52.680 --> 1:58:56.600 champion compare to a contender. I have finite results to 1:58:56.760 --> 1:58:59.400 lean on. When I talk about Lebron against MJ, I 1:58:59.480 --> 1:59:02.760 got results. When I talk about d Wade compared to 1:59:02.840 --> 1:59:05.680 Kobe and somebody, finite results. When I talk about Ray 1:59:05.720 --> 1:59:08.320 Allen versus Steph Curry and others, finite results. 1:59:08.800 --> 1:59:10.280 Politics doesn't grant me that. 1:59:10.880 --> 1:59:14.120 So when I speak, I speak with caution because what 1:59:14.200 --> 1:59:17.240 I'm saying is this is how it looks. But I 1:59:17.280 --> 1:59:20.480 could be wrong. I don't know, but let me tell 1:59:20.560 --> 1:59:23.880 my community what I think based on this evidence. When 1:59:23.920 --> 1:59:27.800 I see the Attorney General as sister Lea Tisha James 1:59:28.280 --> 1:59:31.160 in New York City going after Trump, Yeah, you're going 1:59:31.240 --> 1:59:34.440 after Trump. I got that. Yeah, he a real estate 1:59:34.560 --> 1:59:38.800 agent that you know, bloated his earnings and his valuation. 1:59:39.240 --> 1:59:41.320 You know, all of that stuff happens. Then I turn 1:59:41.360 --> 1:59:45.240 it on CNN and I see a real estate dude 1:59:45.280 --> 1:59:49.400 saying we do that all the time. He said, I 1:59:49.640 --> 1:59:53.440 do it, everyone does it. What is she talking about? 1:59:53.720 --> 1:59:57.240 I'm like, well, damn, I don't know, because I'm not 1:59:57.320 --> 1:59:59.960 a real estate dot god, you're not real estate mogul. 2:00:00.160 --> 2:00:02.000 You see what I'm saying. So, in other words, you 2:00:02.200 --> 2:00:05.520 find these nuggets, and I'm one of those dudes. I 2:00:05.640 --> 2:00:08.360 read the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, La Times, New 2:00:08.440 --> 2:00:10.200 York Daily News, New York Times. 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:13.400 I go online. I read Political and the Drudge Report. 2:00:13.640 --> 2:00:17.560 I watch Fox News, MSNBC, CNN News Nation with Cuomo 2:00:17.760 --> 2:00:21.040 Hell after Quomo Nation, Quomo News Nation. Want me to 2:00:21.120 --> 2:00:24.160 know seeing them want me next week? Sean Hannedy and 2:00:24.240 --> 2:00:27.360 I've known each other for twenty years. Twenty years, you 2:00:27.400 --> 2:00:30.280 know what I'm saying. So I'm like, I'm getting all 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:32.760 of this, and sometimes people are looking at me and 2:00:32.840 --> 2:00:35.040 I'm looking at cats, and they go on these podcasts 2:00:35.080 --> 2:00:37.520 so they got this shit to say, and I'm like this, yeah, 2:00:37.560 --> 2:00:39.600 you would think that about me. Your ass ain't talking 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:44.760 to nobody. I talk to everybody. So I'm getting information 2:00:44.920 --> 2:00:49.160 from all sides. You're saying, we just just today there 2:00:49.280 --> 2:00:54.320 was news in the paper Minnesota Timberwolves a rod and 2:00:54.520 --> 2:00:57.880 ownership and the deal has fallen apart right all of 2:00:57.960 --> 2:01:06.440 this other stuff. Know it hasn't you reading reports. I'm 2:01:06.560 --> 2:01:11.800 on the phone with somebody reading me the contract. There's 2:01:11.960 --> 2:01:15.880 levels to this. I'm sitting there like. 2:01:17.960 --> 2:01:20.160 I'm sitting there like, wait a minute. 2:01:20.800 --> 2:01:25.200 They backed out New York Post rights, there's no deal. 2:01:25.720 --> 2:01:29.480 It's over Mark. Glorie has backed out and he doesn't 2:01:29.520 --> 2:01:32.959 want to work with a Rod. But the fine language 2:01:33.040 --> 2:01:38.000 said they signed on to acquire sixty percent the majority 2:01:38.080 --> 2:01:42.040 stake of the franchise for one point five million, billion, 2:01:42.240 --> 2:01:46.840 billion billion, I about to have billion. They've already given 2:01:46.960 --> 2:01:51.920 six hundred million. They don't get it back. They owe 2:01:52.120 --> 2:01:55.760 another three hundred million, which they had to give a 2:01:55.880 --> 2:02:04.640 Wednesday night. Right, Logically, you walking away after you gave 2:02:04.760 --> 2:02:07.360 up six hundred million dollars that you can't get back 2:02:08.280 --> 2:02:11.520 when all you owe is another three And by the way, 2:02:12.120 --> 2:02:14.840 you made the deal for one point five billion, but 2:02:14.960 --> 2:02:18.560 the franchise is now worth three billion. Probably next week 2:02:18.600 --> 2:02:20.160 when they come out with their list's gonna be worth 2:02:20.160 --> 2:02:23.800 three billion dollars, which makes your nine hundred billion dollar 2:02:24.160 --> 2:02:27.720 investment worth one point eight billion. You walking away from that? 2:02:27.920 --> 2:02:31.560 That report don't make no sense, right, Well, it does 2:02:31.680 --> 2:02:34.879 make sense to them because they didn't have the contract. 2:02:35.960 --> 2:02:40.400 I have the contract. That's the difference. So when I'm 2:02:40.480 --> 2:02:46.360 watching cats talking, I'm just sitting there and I'm like, okay, 2:02:46.840 --> 2:02:50.760 I'm like, you know, keep talking, keep talking, because once again, 2:02:51.320 --> 2:02:54.960 it's got to be about receipts. When we're talking about politics. 2:02:55.120 --> 2:02:57.680 All right, We're fine. Did you get a call from 2:02:57.680 --> 2:03:01.800 the White House before you get a call from former 2:03:01.880 --> 2:03:08.680 presidents and senators and congress president senators and congressmen. I did. 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:13.520 I do follow all of this. So all of this, 2:03:13.920 --> 2:03:18.320 I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm watching I'm watching people. 2:03:18.560 --> 2:03:27.200 I'm watching people talk, and I'm like, so that's what 2:03:27.320 --> 2:03:29.200 we're gonna do. Now, We're gonna ignore the fact that 2:03:29.280 --> 2:03:32.200 I've been around for thirty years and I kind of 2:03:32.280 --> 2:03:36.200 know this shit. I'm not talking about when we talk 2:03:36.240 --> 2:03:38.560 about the nuance of politics and stuff. 2:03:38.320 --> 2:03:39.880 Like that, I'm talking about people. 2:03:40.760 --> 2:03:43.600 I'm talking about people who know where the information is, 2:03:43.720 --> 2:03:47.560 who have the information, who give you the information? Do 2:03:47.720 --> 2:03:52.040 they do that I do? And that's the difference. 2:03:52.280 --> 2:03:53.800 I'm gonna say one thing and we're gonna get back 2:03:53.800 --> 2:03:57.160 to quick Thomas Slaes and I'm I'm gonna relate this 2:03:57.280 --> 2:04:00.600 to the most simplest I got about fifteen minutes simplistic 2:04:00.760 --> 2:04:06.160 form there is. I don't know politics. I'm asking you. 2:04:06.240 --> 2:04:07.720 That's why I don't know if you notice something like 2:04:07.800 --> 2:04:09.720 to create this as you as you're talking, Chris, I 2:04:09.800 --> 2:04:11.520 feel like I know you say you're not an expert, 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:13.680 but you you have experts breakdowns. 2:04:15.720 --> 2:04:17.480 If we was to go to war with Kim johng, 2:04:17.600 --> 2:04:21.520 you what was that? No Kim Jong should go? Who 2:04:21.640 --> 2:04:24.400 is scary to me? Is he should be scary and 2:04:24.520 --> 2:04:27.760 he dictatedor should be scary? He's scary to me, And 2:04:27.880 --> 2:04:32.280 I gotta pick Joe or Trump. I feel like Trump 2:04:32.400 --> 2:04:33.600 is gonna be like funk Let's. 2:04:33.480 --> 2:04:34.000 Crew, wol. 2:04:34.240 --> 2:04:38.520 I agree, Well, I was coming out Trump is actually 2:04:38.560 --> 2:04:40.560 anti war act but let me But with. 2:04:40.640 --> 2:04:42.040 Joe Biden, I feel like he's staying home. 2:04:42.120 --> 2:04:42.440 He's like. 2:04:44.960 --> 2:04:47.720 But here's the problem. When it comes to the presidency. 2:04:47.840 --> 2:04:49.520 You can't just look at the individual. You have to 2:04:49.520 --> 2:04:52.760 look at who they're surrounding themselves. Yeah, the cabinet, and 2:04:52.920 --> 2:04:55.640 that cabinet is very, very important because when I think 2:04:55.640 --> 2:04:59.200 about Joe Biden, I think about people like Obama and 2:04:59.360 --> 2:05:07.480 others behind the scenes impacting decisions. So in that regard 2:05:07.560 --> 2:05:12.040 I trusted a little bit more. Whereas Trump, I do 2:05:12.240 --> 2:05:15.240 believe he has the advantage with the fear factor. He's 2:05:15.280 --> 2:05:17.960 a wild card, and because you know your wild card, 2:05:18.080 --> 2:05:19.880 he might he scares you a bit more. 2:05:20.120 --> 2:05:22.360 If you're the opposition, I'll give him that. 2:05:23.360 --> 2:05:26.920 But does that mean he'll make the best decision, because 2:05:27.000 --> 2:05:28.920 I don't know, you. 2:05:28.920 --> 2:05:31.440 Said, Petty, that's kind of like wow. I like him 2:05:31.480 --> 2:05:33.480 because he would go at Kim Jong you and rose 2:05:33.520 --> 2:05:34.560 you o Donald the same day. 2:05:35.120 --> 2:05:44.920 True, I will tell you this, on an international stage, 2:05:44.960 --> 2:05:49.320 your rhetoric matters almost as much as your actions, because 2:05:49.520 --> 2:05:56.480 rhetoric provokes action and for example, something you may not 2:05:56.560 --> 2:05:59.720 have known. I remember when I saw Pierce Morgan. He 2:05:59.880 --> 2:06:05.240 was on the Breakfast Club with Charlemagne and DJMV and 2:06:05.360 --> 2:06:10.200 he said, did you know that Barack Obama deported more 2:06:10.240 --> 2:06:12.000 immigrants than Trump? 2:06:12.600 --> 2:06:12.720 Oh? 2:06:12.760 --> 2:06:16.520 I did not know that. He did did by a 2:06:16.680 --> 2:06:17.720 significant margin. 2:06:18.480 --> 2:06:21.240 He just did advertising. He just did it. 2:06:21.840 --> 2:06:23.240 If Trump would have did it him like, I'll send 2:06:23.320 --> 2:06:23.720 him back there. 2:06:23.880 --> 2:06:27.360 If Trump had done it, you would have had riots 2:06:27.760 --> 2:06:29.800 going on all over the place and what have you, 2:06:29.920 --> 2:06:34.480 because people would have leaned on him, challenging his racial 2:06:34.560 --> 2:06:38.040 sensitivity or lack thereof, because of the way he talks. 2:06:38.800 --> 2:06:42.600 And I'm saying to you, we can't sit idly by 2:06:42.800 --> 2:06:46.120 and ignored that from the president. That's why for me, 2:06:46.880 --> 2:06:50.720 character matters at the presidency. I'm the kind of person 2:06:50.880 --> 2:06:53.400 I don't want one party to have any rule because 2:06:53.400 --> 2:06:54.920 I don't trust either side. 2:06:55.040 --> 2:06:56.520 That's why I'm a registered independent. 2:06:57.200 --> 2:06:59.880 But what I would do is whatever parties in the presidency, 2:07:00.840 --> 2:07:02.760 I would want a vast majority in the House or 2:07:02.800 --> 2:07:03.200 the Senate. 2:07:03.800 --> 2:07:05.400 We got to have checks and balances. 2:07:06.080 --> 2:07:08.320 I don't want the Democrats having a White House to 2:07:08.400 --> 2:07:11.480 Senate and the Congress. I don't want Republicans having the 2:07:11.480 --> 2:07:14.320 White House to Senate and the Congress. One of them, 2:07:15.080 --> 2:07:16.680 if not both of them, got to be able to 2:07:16.720 --> 2:07:19.280 stop your ass. That's me. 2:07:19.720 --> 2:07:21.760 If Trump could come back, can Obama come back? 2:07:25.160 --> 2:07:26.680 I will tell you this though. I will tell you 2:07:26.760 --> 2:07:28.680 this though, and I want to pause for say, use 2:07:28.680 --> 2:07:37.520 the bathroom. But Michelle Obama was smoking. But she would 2:07:37.600 --> 2:07:41.360 win in my opinion. In my opinion, she would win, 2:07:41.920 --> 2:07:45.720 hands down. But I'm at a point right now where 2:07:45.800 --> 2:07:49.840 I believe she's the only one who would win. And 2:07:50.000 --> 2:07:53.760 when I look at the Democratic Party, here's what, and 2:07:53.840 --> 2:07:57.640 I've said this many times, they are in absolute embarrassment. 2:07:58.560 --> 2:08:02.160 When you saw Joe bid Then show up at the 2:08:02.200 --> 2:08:05.560 State of the Union address, ladies and gentlemen, he is 2:08:05.680 --> 2:08:08.600 eighty one years old, and we had a bunch of 2:08:08.640 --> 2:08:12.240 people in there chanting four more years. They ain't chant 2:08:12.320 --> 2:08:15.000 four more years for people in his sixties, but they 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:17.040 chant four more years for a dude that's going to 2:08:17.080 --> 2:08:20.440 be eighty two when we go to the polls in November. 2:08:21.320 --> 2:08:24.440 Talking about four more years. That is disgraceful. 2:08:24.520 --> 2:08:27.800 I understand he could pass away ultimately, and that Kamala 2:08:27.880 --> 2:08:29.720 Harris ultimately would be inserted into that. 2:08:29.840 --> 2:08:32.120 I get that part. I don't want to and. 2:08:34.240 --> 2:08:37.480 Stop giggling and stop giggling. Where they asked you tough questions, Kamala, 2:08:37.800 --> 2:08:40.160 I respect our vice president, I respect the education Howard 2:08:40.280 --> 2:08:42.080 University grad HBC. You much love to you. 2:08:42.360 --> 2:08:43.720 I know she's an intelligent woman. 2:08:43.880 --> 2:08:46.200 She's the former attorney general in the state of California 2:08:46.440 --> 2:08:49.080 and obviously San Francisco before that, even though you were 2:08:49.080 --> 2:08:51.800 putting a bunch of brothers away from clients. I get 2:08:51.840 --> 2:08:54.520 all of that. I understand it. But here's the point. 2:08:55.160 --> 2:08:57.280 Stop giggling all the damn time when they ask you 2:08:57.360 --> 2:09:00.600 a tough question, because it's an evasive tactic that turns 2:09:00.680 --> 2:09:03.920 people off because we think you're not sure of the answer. 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:06.960 You're trying to buy time. That is not attractive, period. 2:09:07.160 --> 2:09:09.640 But getting back to what my point was, when you 2:09:09.760 --> 2:09:12.120 talk about Biden or you talk about the Democratic Party. 2:09:15.280 --> 2:09:18.120 By chancing four more years, all you've done is say 2:09:20.520 --> 2:09:25.080 we have no one we believe can beat Trump. All 2:09:25.120 --> 2:09:27.800 this law fare, all these lawsuits in everybody, you don't 2:09:27.840 --> 2:09:31.080 have anybody that could beat them. You had since twenty sixteen, 2:09:32.400 --> 2:09:37.080 you had eight years, and you still can't beat him. 2:09:37.520 --> 2:09:43.520 He had four indictments ninety one counts. He's been impeached twice. Okay, 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:46.920 he had a four hundred and fifty four million dollar 2:09:47.040 --> 2:09:48.440 judgment leveled against them. 2:09:48.840 --> 2:09:50.920 You got more cases coming down the pike. 2:09:51.560 --> 2:09:54.400 What are they doing? They going after him for paying 2:09:54.480 --> 2:09:56.920 hush money. They'll form a poor starf So I got 2:09:57.000 --> 2:10:00.120 some ass and I don't want to tell nobody. So 2:10:00.240 --> 2:10:03.160 I gave you hush money. That's why they're going after 2:10:03.360 --> 2:10:07.120 the presumptive GOP nominee. This is what we're talking about. 2:10:07.600 --> 2:10:10.240 And so when I look at stuff like that, I'm like, damn, 2:10:11.080 --> 2:10:14.240 what are you doing? Can you beat him or can't you? 2:10:15.200 --> 2:10:18.080 I want somebody who can beat him. I would love 2:10:18.200 --> 2:10:19.720 for Kamala Harris to be able to beat him. She 2:10:19.800 --> 2:10:22.240 can't beat Trump in an election. I would love for 2:10:22.360 --> 2:10:25.880 Gavin Newsom to be able to be govern California. You 2:10:26.560 --> 2:10:27.000 can't do it. 2:10:27.080 --> 2:10:28.640 You can't do it. How about Corey, you can't do. 2:10:31.480 --> 2:10:31.760 You know what? 2:10:31.920 --> 2:10:32.879 He doesn't resonate. 2:10:33.000 --> 2:10:35.720 I respect that man, I respect his knowledge, I respect 2:10:35.760 --> 2:10:39.000 his knowledge, I respect everything about him. But he cannot 2:10:39.640 --> 2:10:45.280 he cannot beat Trump in an election. And so I'm 2:10:45.360 --> 2:10:48.560 looking at it from that standpoint, and I'm like, all 2:10:48.640 --> 2:10:51.200 the stuff you've been telling us, you got nobody to 2:10:51.280 --> 2:10:51.920 beat this man? 2:10:52.400 --> 2:10:55.320 What have you been doing for eight years? What have 2:10:55.440 --> 2:10:57.840 you been doing? Think about? 2:10:57.920 --> 2:10:59.800 I got people that are rolling up on me asking 2:10:59.840 --> 2:11:03.800 me they run, You're running twenty twenty eight? Like never, 2:11:03.880 --> 2:11:06.080 I like my life. Hell, I want to message this 2:11:06.800 --> 2:11:08.760 got no interest. I don't know why the hell would 2:11:08.760 --> 2:11:10.800 they would come to me. I ain't qualified for it. 2:11:10.840 --> 2:11:12.200 But then again, the other was he in a lot of. 2:11:12.200 --> 2:11:13.840 People's but I have. 2:11:15.600 --> 2:11:17.440 I have now. I respect the hell out of DL 2:11:17.520 --> 2:11:19.400 het Bright the way, But I think that that you know, 2:11:19.720 --> 2:11:21.640 you got to know how to smile and laugh and 2:11:21.720 --> 2:11:23.000 have a good time. You know, you got to bring 2:11:23.080 --> 2:11:25.360 that comedic side out of you if you d L. Hugle, 2:11:25.800 --> 2:11:29.880 because right now he's become such an activist that that 2:11:30.080 --> 2:11:32.400 that that you know, you you might have wife for 2:11:32.480 --> 2:11:34.240 going like this. He'll get in no office and forget 2:11:34.240 --> 2:11:37.080 about us. You know, you think about us, and that's 2:11:37.120 --> 2:11:39.400 the problem with DL. But I respect him, he's very knowledgeable. 2:11:39.440 --> 2:11:41.160 Or respect the hell out of him. But I would 2:11:41.200 --> 2:11:44.920 tell you for me personally, I've joked that I would 2:11:44.960 --> 2:11:47.600 want to debate Trump. And the reason why we want 2:11:47.600 --> 2:11:49.840 to debate Trump is because when he's debating you, he 2:11:49.920 --> 2:11:51.680 ain't talking about nothing substantive. 2:11:51.920 --> 2:11:54.480 He's too busy trying to throw insults. And I'd be 2:11:54.560 --> 2:11:57.960 ready for that. But wait, you don't think that it's 2:11:58.000 --> 2:11:58.880 such a joke right now? 2:11:58.960 --> 2:12:02.520 Because both parties serve the same interest they're just making 2:12:02.600 --> 2:12:03.120 us all think. 2:12:03.280 --> 2:12:03.960 I don't think. 2:12:03.960 --> 2:12:05.120 I don't think they serve the same. 2:12:06.520 --> 2:12:09.440 I think they have different lobbyists and different interests they 2:12:10.440 --> 2:12:13.600 are serving, and we're all being utilized as pawns. 2:12:14.000 --> 2:12:15.960 That's the commonality. We're pawns. 2:12:16.560 --> 2:12:21.560 But we but here's but here's where black folks, this 2:12:21.800 --> 2:12:24.080 is where we have to hold ourselves accountable. 2:12:25.560 --> 2:12:26.360 Since Lyndon B. 2:12:26.520 --> 2:12:32.480 Johnson in sixty four, the Democratic Party has received over 2:12:32.560 --> 2:12:33.600 ninety percent of our vote. 2:12:35.240 --> 2:12:36.320 Understand what that means. 2:12:37.480 --> 2:12:41.440 On one side, you're saying you got us we gonna 2:12:41.440 --> 2:12:44.200 support you no matter what, so they don't have. 2:12:44.240 --> 2:12:45.720 To take care of us. They just give us lip 2:12:45.800 --> 2:12:46.840 service every four years. 2:12:47.680 --> 2:12:51.240 On the other side, you got a Republican party who 2:12:51.400 --> 2:12:54.880 not only knows you're not gonna support them, but resent 2:12:55.040 --> 2:12:58.120 you for it because you they believe you're not giving 2:12:58.200 --> 2:13:01.360 them they just do. And the role that they played 2:13:01.480 --> 2:13:04.120 to bring in civil rights legislation to the desk of 2:13:04.200 --> 2:13:09.400 the Democratic incumbent. So as a result, they look at folks, 2:13:09.920 --> 2:13:13.120 you're not well read, you don't know your history, you're 2:13:13.160 --> 2:13:16.720 supporting the wrong party. This is just some ignorant stuff 2:13:16.760 --> 2:13:20.280 that you're doing. And so when I've when I've spoken 2:13:20.360 --> 2:13:23.840 at speeches, I've said it half jokingly, but I said, 2:13:24.480 --> 2:13:26.880 my dream is for one election, maybe not this one, 2:13:26.920 --> 2:13:30.040 but for one election for everybody, every black person in 2:13:30.120 --> 2:13:31.920 America to vote Republican. 2:13:32.480 --> 2:13:34.600 And they said what, what Why would you say that? 2:13:35.160 --> 2:13:38.280 I said, because it will send the message that I 2:13:38.480 --> 2:13:41.840 vote is not you have. It is for sale. It's 2:13:41.880 --> 2:13:43.840 not that you can't take it for granted. Flatter me 2:13:44.240 --> 2:13:45.520 what you're gonna do for me. When I'm going to 2:13:45.560 --> 2:13:48.440 buy a house, I ain't just buying. I want to 2:13:48.480 --> 2:13:50.640 be listen I'm thinking about being to Miami. Bro, No 2:13:50.760 --> 2:13:53.080 state didn't come to tax just what I'm thinking about it, right. 2:13:53.760 --> 2:13:56.000 I am not buying a house without looking at the 2:13:56.120 --> 2:13:59.360 damn house multiple times. I'm not buying a call without 2:13:59.440 --> 2:14:02.320 test driving. I'm not buying clothes without trying it on 2:14:02.480 --> 2:14:06.880 and seeing how it looks on me. Inspect the merchandise 2:14:07.240 --> 2:14:11.360 before you commit. We do it every day, except for 2:14:11.480 --> 2:14:15.240 when it comes to politics, we don't do it, and 2:14:15.400 --> 2:14:20.160 as a result, we pigeonholed ourselves because we've ensured that 2:14:20.280 --> 2:14:23.600 we will be a disenfranchised community, devoid of representation because 2:14:23.640 --> 2:14:26.880 one party is given upless service and somebody saying screw 2:14:27.000 --> 2:14:29.520 y'all because y'all should be more supportive of us and 2:14:29.640 --> 2:14:32.560 you're not. Therefore, nobody's fighting on our behalf. Do you 2:14:32.640 --> 2:14:38.240 realize that right now with the immigration crisis, the Hispanics 2:14:38.360 --> 2:14:44.160 in this country get more attention than us. Xenophobia is 2:14:44.240 --> 2:14:50.000 more popular than racism, Homophobia is more popular than racism. 2:14:51.240 --> 2:14:56.400 Transphobia has become or is becoming more popular than racism. 2:14:56.840 --> 2:15:00.360 Black folks been here forever, and we at the bottom 2:15:00.400 --> 2:15:03.480 of the freaking food chain treated the worst, getting treated, 2:15:04.200 --> 2:15:10.160 getting disregarded, basically because we haven't created an environment that 2:15:10.360 --> 2:15:15.720 insists upon representation, because we've been too transparent. I might 2:15:15.840 --> 2:15:18.280 know who I'm going to vote for, but I'll always 2:15:18.360 --> 2:15:21.200 leave open the possibility to change my mind, just so 2:15:21.360 --> 2:15:23.800 you could give me the effort to get my vote 2:15:24.160 --> 2:15:26.200 before I decide which direction I'm going to go in, 2:15:26.880 --> 2:15:28.240 just so I don't be transparent. 2:15:31.360 --> 2:15:33.080 Okay, I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna take 2:15:33.080 --> 2:15:40.200 you there, Okay, Colin Kaepernick, Yes, sir, I always see 2:15:40.240 --> 2:15:43.200 you say that you like we establishing this whole time, 2:15:43.280 --> 2:15:44.839 that you have a lot of inside information. 2:15:45.160 --> 2:15:48.000 A lot of folks is not privy that information. 2:15:47.880 --> 2:15:51.360 Right, So is it true that it was a workout 2:15:51.440 --> 2:15:53.720 that was called and he went an hour away, hour. 2:15:53.640 --> 2:15:55.680 And twenty minutes. Why stupid? 2:15:56.520 --> 2:15:56.880 That's why. 2:15:57.200 --> 2:15:57.400 Wow. 2:15:57.840 --> 2:16:07.160 And look when I was I showed up to a 2:16:07.280 --> 2:16:09.960 radio show one o five I believe one or five 2:16:09.960 --> 2:16:14.080 point three in New York City and some cat rolled 2:16:14.160 --> 2:16:17.520 up on me and I didn't even notice that there 2:16:17.600 --> 2:16:19.400 was a slew of them there wearing. 2:16:21.120 --> 2:16:22.800 Kaepernick shirts supporting them. 2:16:24.280 --> 2:16:26.320 And I'm not going to tell you the brother disrespected 2:16:26.360 --> 2:16:28.320 me because I was extended my hand to shake his hand, 2:16:28.360 --> 2:16:29.640 and he shook my hand and he said, but I'm 2:16:29.680 --> 2:16:32.160 not feeling you dog. He said, we got a problem 2:16:32.280 --> 2:16:36.440 with you in your position on Kaepernick, I said, who 2:16:36.520 --> 2:16:41.440 got a problem with me? And his fiance was sitting right, 2:16:42.080 --> 2:16:44.880 sitting right in that room. It's like standing there kneeling 2:16:44.959 --> 2:16:47.560 over whatever. He was like, So you know, you know, 2:16:47.600 --> 2:16:49.200 I mean, if you feel the way you feel, you 2:16:49.320 --> 2:16:51.959 willing to come talk to her. I said, right now, 2:16:52.120 --> 2:16:55.640 let's go, And just so you know, for the record, 2:16:56.320 --> 2:16:58.440 that's who I am. You know what I'm saying. You 2:16:58.520 --> 2:17:00.280 got a problem with me, tell me when in I'll 2:17:00.320 --> 2:17:02.960 show up. That's how I roll. If I'm wrong, I'll 2:17:03.000 --> 2:17:05.039 say I'm wrong, and if I'm right, I ain't budget. 2:17:05.320 --> 2:17:08.840 It's just that simple. So we went in there and 2:17:08.879 --> 2:17:11.160 we were talking that she had her position, and I say, yeah, 2:17:11.160 --> 2:17:14.119 that's what you say, but the league says something else. 2:17:14.760 --> 2:17:16.520 She said, but we know the facts. 2:17:16.560 --> 2:17:18.440 It's us. I said, well, it's about them too, And 2:17:18.520 --> 2:17:21.560 they got THEMN facts and we cover the league and 2:17:21.920 --> 2:17:27.080 all I see is Kaepernick, Hayden behind you, you here 2:17:27.320 --> 2:17:31.120 where he at? He didn't talk at he didn't talk. 2:17:31.200 --> 2:17:35.039 I said, his woman's bigger for him. I said, I'm 2:17:35.120 --> 2:17:39.640 sorry where I'm from, it don't work like that, I said. 2:17:39.680 --> 2:17:40.760 But I'll tell you what I'll. 2:17:40.600 --> 2:17:46.840 Do from this day forward. You have my number, that's real. 2:17:47.040 --> 2:17:51.920 You could text me anything that you text to me 2:17:52.160 --> 2:17:53.280 that you want me to say. 2:17:53.480 --> 2:17:58.560 I will say verbatim over national television, even if I 2:17:58.640 --> 2:18:00.520 had to read the damn quote myself. 2:18:01.600 --> 2:18:02.440 You have my word. 2:18:02.840 --> 2:18:08.160 You have my word. So over time we were talking, communicating, 2:18:09.640 --> 2:18:13.920 and they wanted me my help in helping him get 2:18:14.000 --> 2:18:16.760 back into the league. I had been on the record 2:18:17.320 --> 2:18:20.480 he had been black balled. It's unfair and ain't right, 2:18:21.840 --> 2:18:23.440 But in the same breath, you got to know who 2:18:23.440 --> 2:18:25.080 you're dealing with. It's the NFL, and it's thirty two 2:18:25.120 --> 2:18:27.320 different owners of the billionaires, and theyin't gonna let you 2:18:27.320 --> 2:18:29.720 mess with their paper. So one of the smartest thing 2:18:29.800 --> 2:18:32.680 in the world. I'm not saying you were wrong, it's 2:18:32.760 --> 2:18:35.240 just wanted smart if you really really wanted to be 2:18:35.320 --> 2:18:37.080 in the league, because they're gonna do what they can 2:18:37.160 --> 2:18:42.040 to get you out of there. So I go on 2:18:42.120 --> 2:18:46.000 the air because we find out about that workout that 2:18:46.120 --> 2:18:50.320 the NFL had conducted, and the NFL conducted the workout 2:18:50.400 --> 2:18:53.000 because no individual team wanted to because they were scared 2:18:53.040 --> 2:18:55.280 if he worked out for them and then it didn't 2:18:55.320 --> 2:18:55.959 work out, they. 2:18:55.920 --> 2:18:57.600 Were he would accuse them of being racist. 2:18:58.320 --> 2:19:02.039 So the league, at the behest of jay Z and others, 2:19:03.040 --> 2:19:06.320 he took the position, we will conduct the rent workout, 2:19:06.400 --> 2:19:08.720 which they don't do. Which they don't do. The league 2:19:08.800 --> 2:19:12.200 never conducts an individual workout for a player. And at 2:19:12.240 --> 2:19:17.360 that time I was told by sources directly related to 2:19:17.440 --> 2:19:20.920 the negotiations, he'll have to throw. 2:19:20.800 --> 2:19:24.080 The ball into the stands to not have a job 2:19:24.160 --> 2:19:24.879 in two weeks. 2:19:26.240 --> 2:19:33.039 Well, and his lady and him, remember, had been asking 2:19:33.120 --> 2:19:35.160 me to help him get a tryout with one team. 2:19:36.680 --> 2:19:37.080 I said. 2:19:37.160 --> 2:19:39.519 They were reporting initially his three teams. 2:19:39.200 --> 2:19:41.680 And stell like that. I said, now I'm being told 2:19:42.640 --> 2:19:45.840 twenty two to twenty four teams gonna show up, and 2:19:45.959 --> 2:19:50.200 it ended up being twenty six. I'm being told that 2:19:50.440 --> 2:19:52.520 most of the dudes showing up are in the player 2:19:52.520 --> 2:19:55.840 of personnel departments for NFL teams and the African Americans. 2:19:57.040 --> 2:20:00.480 So you're gonna have brothers looking at you, at least 2:20:00.560 --> 2:20:04.880 eighteen to nineteen of them, and Ny Hamden hard And 2:20:04.959 --> 2:20:07.240 then all of a sudden, I wasn't getting no return texts. 2:20:07.680 --> 2:20:10.360 He switched the workout to I wasn't getting any return 2:20:10.480 --> 2:20:14.360 texts suddenly, and they you know, I was on the 2:20:14.640 --> 2:20:17.400 air with one of my the opposite of me was 2:20:17.440 --> 2:20:20.160 Max Kellerman at the time, and you know, he getting 2:20:20.200 --> 2:20:23.880 a text message from them showing the waiver that the 2:20:24.000 --> 2:20:27.680 NFL had drawn up. I said, I don't blame him 2:20:27.680 --> 2:20:29.720 for one bit for not doing this, blah blah blah. 2:20:29.840 --> 2:20:32.080 I said, well, damn it, I do, because you ain't 2:20:32.120 --> 2:20:34.920 the only one that got the waiver. I got it too. 2:20:35.000 --> 2:20:36.720 And oh, by the way, were you on the phone 2:20:36.760 --> 2:20:40.200 with general counsel for the NFL thirty minutes ago? Because 2:20:40.280 --> 2:20:40.600 I am. 2:20:41.200 --> 2:20:44.160 I was, and they said, quote us. 2:20:44.400 --> 2:20:46.840 Wasn't off the records? Shit, they quote us. 2:20:47.840 --> 2:20:49.840 Yeah, we changed the language. 2:20:49.480 --> 2:20:53.879 And the waiver because we've never done an individual workout 2:20:53.959 --> 2:20:57.720 for a player before and he had just sued us. Okay, 2:20:57.879 --> 2:21:00.360 we just settled the case, so why do we not 2:21:00.480 --> 2:21:03.240 protect ourselves. Of course, we did to change the language 2:21:03.760 --> 2:21:06.400 to make sure he can't sue us if he doesn't 2:21:06.440 --> 2:21:11.200 get better, because nobody wants him, but we're willing to 2:21:11.520 --> 2:21:15.039 give him the workout at an NFL professional facility, which 2:21:15.120 --> 2:21:17.920 was that of the Atlanta Falcons. And on top of 2:21:18.000 --> 2:21:20.680 it all, we'll give him the tape so he could 2:21:20.720 --> 2:21:25.120 circulate the tapes to other teams anytime he wants. This 2:21:25.320 --> 2:21:28.920 brother did show up and a couple of hours before 2:21:29.000 --> 2:21:32.200 the workout, moved the damn workout an hour and twenty 2:21:32.280 --> 2:21:36.800 minutes away to our high school football stadium outside of Atlanta. 2:21:36.959 --> 2:21:39.720 I said, I'm done. I'm done with y'all. I say, 2:21:39.840 --> 2:21:41.520 you don't want to play. You want to be a martyr. 2:21:42.120 --> 2:21:43.520 You want to be a marty if you want to 2:21:43.560 --> 2:21:49.000 play football. You at that workout, twenty six NFL teams, 2:21:49.760 --> 2:21:53.240 eighteen of them African American showing up with all the 2:21:53.400 --> 2:21:57.200 technological equipment that an NFL team has to dissect and 2:21:57.320 --> 2:22:00.360 pick a part what you bring to the table, and 2:22:00.560 --> 2:22:03.640 you don't show up, I'm done with you. You don't 2:22:03.640 --> 2:22:06.400 want to play, you want to be a martyr. Fine, 2:22:06.480 --> 2:22:09.320 be a martyr. We appreciate you taking the knee, We 2:22:09.400 --> 2:22:12.440 appreciate you fighting on behalf of African American, black and 2:22:12.480 --> 2:22:15.800 brown people everywhere because relice brutality is a real thing. 2:22:16.200 --> 2:22:18.160 Brutality on the part of some police officers. What I 2:22:18.200 --> 2:22:20.520 call him was got brothers and sisters on the police 2:22:20.600 --> 2:22:22.480 force that are black and brown that ain't doing that. 2:22:22.760 --> 2:22:24.560 So I'm not gonna say all police officers, but some 2:22:24.720 --> 2:22:26.320 of them are. So I'm looking at all of that 2:22:26.360 --> 2:22:29.720 and I'm like, I appreciate that, but this ain't about that. 2:22:30.680 --> 2:22:34.000 This is about you saying you wanted to play and 2:22:34.280 --> 2:22:36.840 galvanizing folks to support you playing. 2:22:37.680 --> 2:22:38.280 You ain't playing. 2:22:38.360 --> 2:22:42.040 Years they want to see you work out, and you 2:22:42.160 --> 2:22:44.880 didn't show up. I'm done and I've been done with 2:22:44.959 --> 2:22:45.800 that story ever since. 2:22:45.959 --> 2:22:48.119 So I'm not going to ask you about Russell Westport 2:22:48.440 --> 2:22:50.040 and y'all a little back of Russell Westbrook. 2:22:50.240 --> 2:22:59.800 I ain't a back and forward Russell Well Russell Westbrook. 2:22:58.000 --> 2:23:01.560 But it wasn't Russell Westbrook's on the Lakers. 2:23:01.600 --> 2:23:02.120 He said, you just. 2:23:05.680 --> 2:23:05.920 Game? 2:23:06.440 --> 2:23:07.640 Did I downplayed this game? 2:23:08.080 --> 2:23:08.280 Oh? 2:23:08.480 --> 2:23:11.000 Okay, okay, Well, that to me is not you know, 2:23:11.280 --> 2:23:15.560 I get that in the back and forth. Look, Russell 2:23:15.600 --> 2:23:18.600 Westbrook is a real one. Brother is a real one. 2:23:18.760 --> 2:23:20.400 And what I mean by that is he is a 2:23:20.480 --> 2:23:23.520 brother to the core, loves his people, does so much 2:23:23.600 --> 2:23:25.560 great work in the community, the whole nine. 2:23:25.879 --> 2:23:27.720 I got mad love and respect. He's a real he 2:23:27.720 --> 2:23:30.360 ain't no fake cat. I don't like you. You don't 2:23:30.400 --> 2:23:31.400 know you know what I'm saying. 2:23:31.640 --> 2:23:34.879 He really liked that. I respect the hell out of him. 2:23:34.879 --> 2:23:38.320 He's one of my favorite people. But he can't shoot, 2:23:39.080 --> 2:23:41.760 and damn it, that's what I said. I said it 2:23:41.879 --> 2:23:46.680 then I'm telling you now I want him taking it 2:23:46.760 --> 2:23:49.520 to the rack. I don't want him shooting twenty five 2:23:49.600 --> 2:23:54.600 feet jump. No, is that a crime? That's not a crime. 2:23:55.240 --> 2:23:55.280 Not. 2:23:55.440 --> 2:23:59.280 Me and Kyrie were different. Kyrie. There was some personal 2:23:59.360 --> 2:24:03.039 ship that's between he and I where I looked out. 2:24:04.840 --> 2:24:08.720 And he forgot. And that's why when he went on 2:24:08.800 --> 2:24:11.920 Twitter last year and he was talking his shit, I 2:24:12.160 --> 2:24:14.600 was like, how about me, me and me and you 2:24:14.760 --> 2:24:17.920 meet one on one for the public to spot your 2:24:18.000 --> 2:24:20.240 truth against my truth and see how that works out 2:24:20.320 --> 2:24:20.520 for you. 2:24:21.320 --> 2:24:24.080 I'll never tell, but pumped your brakes. 2:24:24.879 --> 2:24:28.440 But he was right. Went too far because I got 2:24:28.520 --> 2:24:31.920 mad respect and love for the brother, and it got 2:24:31.959 --> 2:24:33.720 to a point where me and his father was getting 2:24:33.720 --> 2:24:37.440 into it, and his father his father jumped in tweets 2:24:37.480 --> 2:24:40.560 while not tweet but the text messages to my private 2:24:40.600 --> 2:24:43.520 phone all this other stuff. And it was my fault 2:24:43.560 --> 2:24:45.360 because I took it a little too far with it 2:24:45.560 --> 2:24:47.920 Pops not on public. But I took a bit too 2:24:47.959 --> 2:24:52.200 person with Pops, and so Kyrie rolled up and like, 2:24:52.240 --> 2:24:55.280 it ain't even about me at this point, it's about you, Pops, 2:24:55.320 --> 2:24:56.520 And I said, you know what you right. 2:24:57.080 --> 2:24:59.000 I immediately picked up the phone with his father. 2:25:00.480 --> 2:25:03.680 His father and I met in New York City, made 2:25:03.760 --> 2:25:07.240 a man's be cool to this day, I apologize, he apologized. 2:25:07.280 --> 2:25:08.160 We've grown ass man. 2:25:08.240 --> 2:25:13.400 We good. But in terms of Kyrie, marvelous, magician, other 2:25:13.600 --> 2:25:17.360 thro others, just all world, all I ever wanted from 2:25:17.440 --> 2:25:20.359 Kyrie is to be on the damn court because he's spectacular. 2:25:20.640 --> 2:25:23.080 He's spectacular, You uns, I'm saying, one of the greatest 2:25:23.120 --> 2:25:27.439 talented game has ever seen. It's not about taking the vaccine. 2:25:28.200 --> 2:25:30.200 It was about every time there was always a damn 2:25:30.240 --> 2:25:33.640 excuse for something. There's an injury, this one, it's something 2:25:33.680 --> 2:25:37.840 with your religion. This way, it's the vaccine here, damn it. 2:25:37.959 --> 2:25:41.160 Get on the court. You're too great for us to 2:25:41.280 --> 2:25:44.240 be hearing about. Listen, I appreciate the fact that you 2:25:44.320 --> 2:25:48.240 put the supplied the Palestinians with a bunch of water. Okay, 2:25:48.320 --> 2:25:50.360 this is before all of this stuff that's been going 2:25:50.400 --> 2:25:52.560 on lately. I appreciate the stuff that you've done for 2:25:52.600 --> 2:25:56.120 the WNBA. He's very philanthropic, He's very charitable. Kyrie's a 2:25:56.200 --> 2:25:58.240 good brother. I even went on the air when we 2:25:58.320 --> 2:26:00.440 were button hands and I said, Yo, y'all that's between 2:26:00.520 --> 2:26:03.400 me and him. That doesn't mean he's not a good brother. 2:26:04.080 --> 2:26:06.960 He is a good brother. We just don't like each 2:26:06.959 --> 2:26:12.680 other right now. That happens, But please understand, I know 2:26:12.800 --> 2:26:16.360 he's a good brother. Russell Westbrook, don't f with the media. 2:26:17.040 --> 2:26:20.080 You're in a sense saying, but if he honest, I've 2:26:20.120 --> 2:26:22.320 always been feared to us. You know, I said, we 2:26:22.400 --> 2:26:25.680 ain't friends, we gonna be friends because you don't like 2:26:25.760 --> 2:26:28.280 the media that way. Lebron gonna feel the way he 2:26:28.320 --> 2:26:31.320 gonna feel plenty of other players, but most players in 2:26:31.480 --> 2:26:34.240 all professional sports, I'm very cool with. The ones that 2:26:34.360 --> 2:26:37.240 have a problem with me are the ones that don't 2:26:37.280 --> 2:26:39.600 talk to me, because if you talk to me, you 2:26:39.640 --> 2:26:42.800 ain't gonna have no problem. Because guess what, I'm either 2:26:42.840 --> 2:26:44.520 gonna be right or I'm gonna be wrong. And if 2:26:44.520 --> 2:26:47.160 I'm wrong, I'm gonna admit it, not privately, publicly. I'm 2:26:47.160 --> 2:26:49.160 not gonna say something to you about you publicly and 2:26:49.280 --> 2:26:52.280 I'm wrong, and then privately I'm about it. Nah, y'all 2:26:52.360 --> 2:26:55.199 see me do it. I'll go on to air my bad. 2:26:55.840 --> 2:26:58.280 I was wrong. You see what I'm saying. But if 2:26:58.320 --> 2:27:01.720 I'm right, I ain't bunch. This is where I stand. 2:27:01.840 --> 2:27:05.160 And so if you one of those cats, you got 2:27:05.200 --> 2:27:09.879 a lot of brothers. They chirp, they talk, and it's real, 2:27:10.080 --> 2:27:14.200 real easy to talk shit about me when you're talking 2:27:14.280 --> 2:27:18.480 to somebody else, but when you talking in front of 2:27:18.560 --> 2:27:21.840 my face and I get a chance to respond with 2:27:22.120 --> 2:27:26.680 my truth. I asked one simple question. Have you encountered 2:27:27.280 --> 2:27:30.320 any of them that have said they're willing to do that? 2:27:31.600 --> 2:27:34.720 You ain't seeing neary one of them because they know 2:27:35.800 --> 2:27:36.120 they know. 2:27:36.440 --> 2:27:38.080 I think that's the reason why you and Michael Jordan 2:27:38.160 --> 2:27:40.879 get it loong, is because y'all both don't accept betrayal. 2:27:41.720 --> 2:27:44.360 Like as soon as someone kind of like I feel 2:27:44.400 --> 2:27:45.680 like I feel like I feel like y'are are the 2:27:45.720 --> 2:27:46.960 same like when it comes to that. 2:27:47.240 --> 2:27:48.240 That's the reason why I. 2:27:48.200 --> 2:27:51.640 Don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think 2:27:51.640 --> 2:27:54.160 I don't think I don't think that's it. I think 2:27:54.280 --> 2:27:58.680 that again, it's like your brother, I'm not a black man. 2:27:58.720 --> 2:28:02.000 I'm a brother. I love my people, you know. And 2:28:02.120 --> 2:28:06.039 when I think about you know, listen, I'm not anti anything. 2:28:06.080 --> 2:28:08.880 I'm not anti white. But when I think about immigrants, 2:28:08.920 --> 2:28:11.360 when I think about Latinos, Hispanics in this country and 2:28:11.879 --> 2:28:14.440 black folks, to me, we all the same. We're brothers, 2:28:14.480 --> 2:28:17.440 We in the same plight, you know. And I'm always 2:28:17.520 --> 2:28:20.400 look out. But sometimes looking out ain't telling you what 2:28:20.520 --> 2:28:21.920 you want to hear. It's telling you what you need 2:28:22.000 --> 2:28:26.040 to hear. And you got cats that because of that, 2:28:26.200 --> 2:28:29.640 they try to paint a picture and create this imagery 2:28:29.680 --> 2:28:32.480 about you so others will see you in a certain way. 2:28:33.879 --> 2:28:37.280 And I'm like, that's jacked up. That's really messed up. 2:28:37.720 --> 2:28:41.080 But it's okay. Keep doing what you're doing because it's 2:28:41.240 --> 2:28:43.600 sooner or it's later. You're gonna have to deal with 2:28:43.760 --> 2:28:47.920 me because I'm not going away. And that's how I 2:28:48.080 --> 2:28:51.920 roll with it. It's like you're not gonna I remember everything. 2:28:53.120 --> 2:28:55.280 And like I told you at the beginning, you got 2:28:55.400 --> 2:28:58.400 cats in the league, yo. Bro. They they talking about me, 2:28:58.440 --> 2:29:01.320 I'm talking about corporate America, talking about Hollywood, I'm talking 2:29:01.360 --> 2:29:03.720 about Madison Avenue or they talking a lot of shit 2:29:04.560 --> 2:29:06.160 and they don't know who I know and how it 2:29:06.240 --> 2:29:09.160 gets back to me. But it all gets back to me. 2:29:09.600 --> 2:29:11.879 I'm waiting for the steven A movie and the documentary. 2:29:11.959 --> 2:29:14.240 But let me just yes, it's still quick. Thomas Nae, 2:29:15.000 --> 2:29:16.240 Rihanna or Beyonce. 2:29:16.280 --> 2:29:19.200 Beyonce all day listen Navy of Blue Navy. First of 2:29:19.240 --> 2:29:20.680 I didn't even know what the hell blue Navy was 2:29:20.760 --> 2:29:23.680 n't til last year. Okay, let me get that straight. Secondly, 2:29:24.120 --> 2:29:26.960 I want to emphasize this. I love me some. 2:29:29.600 --> 2:29:30.320 I love Rihanna. 2:29:30.760 --> 2:29:32.560 I buy her music. I paid for it. Ain't get 2:29:32.560 --> 2:29:35.400 shit for free, but I paid for it the whole bit. 2:29:35.800 --> 2:29:40.840 She's phenomenal. Okay, I love her. I appreciated a whole bit. 2:29:40.959 --> 2:29:43.280 And when I compared her to Beyonce on the Sherry 2:29:43.360 --> 2:29:46.120 Sheppard Show, that pissed a few people. All Oh no, 2:29:47.040 --> 2:29:49.320 what happened was is that I was promoting my book. 2:29:49.800 --> 2:29:52.600 As Sherry Shepard said, we need you to come on here. 2:29:52.680 --> 2:29:55.560 We want to create a first take atmosphere, so we 2:29:55.680 --> 2:29:58.720 want to create a debate. And I know that you 2:29:59.160 --> 2:30:01.800 are a support of Beyonce, so feel free to bring 2:30:01.920 --> 2:30:05.120 that up. And then they talked about Reread performing at 2:30:05.160 --> 2:30:07.640 the Super Bowl and I'm like, yo, you you saw 2:30:07.720 --> 2:30:10.920 it Beyonce did you got to measure up? Because this 2:30:11.080 --> 2:30:17.040 is Beyonce. Now, let me be very very clear. I 2:30:17.160 --> 2:30:19.320 went to the Taylor Swift consent. She was off the 2:30:19.400 --> 2:30:26.840 chain two thousand dollars. Both my daughters promise their ten 2:30:27.000 --> 2:30:30.680 friends twenty thousand dollars and turn down. I need a drink. 2:30:33.320 --> 2:30:38.040 But you enjoyed yourself, Yo, bro, I couldn't. I could 2:30:38.120 --> 2:30:40.720 not believe how much fun I had. I said, tell 2:30:40.800 --> 2:30:44.080 Swift off the change. She did. She did. She did 2:30:44.160 --> 2:30:48.440 that that I mean she got She told me she 2:30:50.640 --> 2:30:56.359 can we calm down the breaks. There's only one Beyonce. 2:30:57.160 --> 2:31:01.120 You had to say. Nobody in the planet of Stephen A. 2:31:01.240 --> 2:31:01.560 Smith. 2:31:02.800 --> 2:31:07.680 There is no female artist ever that has. And I 2:31:07.800 --> 2:31:10.680 love to me some Janey Jackson control, rhythm. 2:31:11.800 --> 2:31:18.280 Control and rhythm nation me please, I love you, frankly, 2:31:18.360 --> 2:31:26.080 I mean listen the Queen, Mary j Queen. Come on, Nobody, Nobody, 2:31:26.160 --> 2:31:30.400 yess Keys Whitney. Whitney's phenomenal. 2:31:30.600 --> 2:31:33.520 I mean coming with nobody to me. 2:31:33.800 --> 2:31:37.960 I'm talking about to me, nobody, right, that's that far, 2:31:38.080 --> 2:31:42.440 that's fair, comes before Beyonce. So it's just an example 2:31:42.480 --> 2:31:45.600 of what I'm talking about so you did behind you 2:31:47.840 --> 2:31:56.800 because like like, but let me tell you, let me 2:31:56.920 --> 2:31:59.320 tell you this. You under said, I ain't a quote 2:31:59.360 --> 2:32:01.960 unquote member want to be hot, but if I was 2:32:02.120 --> 2:32:02.360 going to. 2:32:02.360 --> 2:32:03.959 Be a member of AHA, it would be be. 2:32:09.080 --> 2:32:13.959 Beyonce. Beyonce is so bad as in great, I wouldn't 2:32:14.000 --> 2:32:18.560 mind them calling me Stephen B. Smith. I mean, this 2:32:18.600 --> 2:32:27.440 ship ain't nobody, Ain't nobody beyond me, Ain't nobody Beyonce, Steve. 2:32:27.520 --> 2:32:29.040 Let me just say thank you so much. 2:32:31.080 --> 2:32:33.320 We gotta do everything that I thought you would be 2:32:33.879 --> 2:32:36.599 and more superceeded my expectations. 2:32:37.160 --> 2:32:39.240 You are exactly who you are, and. 2:32:41.840 --> 2:32:43.320 Like I said, I can speak to you all day 2:32:43.400 --> 2:32:45.360 like this, I'm just running for the seventeen hour. 2:32:46.440 --> 2:32:48.360 Bro let me get you look at your problem. 2:32:48.720 --> 2:32:52.879 I wanted to stay on you, you know why, because 2:32:54.240 --> 2:32:58.920 this is this should be a promoted more like you know, 2:32:59.080 --> 2:33:01.960 us just bigging up each other. You great, whether you 2:33:02.040 --> 2:33:04.320 came in the drink cans or not. You great, one 2:33:04.360 --> 2:33:07.080 of you know, one of the greatest out there. I 2:33:07.200 --> 2:33:07.800 wanted to thank you. 2:33:07.879 --> 2:33:08.280 I'm wanted to. 2:33:08.400 --> 2:33:11.480 I was so impressed, so happy that when we finally 2:33:11.520 --> 2:33:16.200 booked you, I was like, what I couldn't sleep last night. 2:33:16.879 --> 2:33:21.959 I was just like I was cause because I always 2:33:22.320 --> 2:33:24.240 want to give you your props. I always want to 2:33:24.280 --> 2:33:26.880 tell you how how dope you are, how ill it is. 2:33:27.160 --> 2:33:29.560 And I ended with this one story you gave. You 2:33:29.640 --> 2:33:32.440 gave me one of the most humblest pies ever. 2:33:33.320 --> 2:33:33.600 Hm. 2:33:34.959 --> 2:33:40.040 We was in complex con I walked through and I 2:33:40.560 --> 2:33:43.800 watched you so much that I thought I met you 2:33:43.959 --> 2:33:45.520 before and I had never met you. 2:33:46.200 --> 2:33:49.959 And I walked in with Stephen Dale was a calm down. 2:33:53.120 --> 2:33:54.320 We were were in the environment. 2:33:54.360 --> 2:33:55.800 I don't even want to say the people that was there, 2:33:56.160 --> 2:33:57.920 you know, it was a lot of big, big dogs 2:33:58.040 --> 2:34:02.280 there and I you you made my fans make sense. 2:34:02.360 --> 2:34:05.280 Now let me make that make sense for years for. 2:34:05.360 --> 2:34:08.200 I've been famous twenty five years, twenty three of them, 2:34:08.240 --> 2:34:11.920 which been great. But fans will come up to me 2:34:12.000 --> 2:34:15.440 and they'll talk to me. And what I realized is 2:34:16.680 --> 2:34:18.320 they thought they knew me and talk to you like 2:34:18.360 --> 2:34:18.760 they knew you. 2:34:19.520 --> 2:34:20.520 And I did that to you. 2:34:22.560 --> 2:34:24.640 You you you almost was looking out for me. You 2:34:24.760 --> 2:34:26.080 was like you little too grouping out. 2:34:26.120 --> 2:34:30.560 No you saying that was like But I would never 2:34:30.640 --> 2:34:33.480 take that moment back because I meant it a minute then, 2:34:33.800 --> 2:34:34.560 and I mean it now. 2:34:34.640 --> 2:34:35.160 I appreciate it. 2:34:35.400 --> 2:34:37.400 Takes nothing away from me as a man. Tell you 2:34:37.480 --> 2:34:40.960 how great you are to your motherfucking face and mean it. 2:34:42.080 --> 2:34:43.720 It does not take away from me as a fan. 2:34:44.400 --> 2:34:45.920 I want you to continue to do what you do 2:34:46.640 --> 2:34:49.120 if you ever need us. I appreciate that any show 2:34:49.160 --> 2:34:55.480 you got fifteen thousand shows and you produce it shows 2:34:55.720 --> 2:34:58.080 you're being an executive producer and producing shows. 2:34:58.760 --> 2:35:02.080 That shit is so dope. Man, we appreciate you just superseded. 2:35:02.320 --> 2:35:02.440 Well. 2:35:02.480 --> 2:35:04.200 Listen, man, let me say. Let me say this man, 2:35:04.280 --> 2:35:05.520 first of all, minted to be on the show, I 2:35:05.560 --> 2:35:07.080 think y'all do a great job. I love the fact 2:35:07.080 --> 2:35:09.080 that y'all been celebrated. You've been doing this for eight years. 2:35:09.720 --> 2:35:12.600 You've been very very successful at it. You know, you 2:35:12.959 --> 2:35:14.880 set the stage. You set the stage for a lot 2:35:14.920 --> 2:35:16.640 of people, and you're giving a lot of people an 2:35:16.680 --> 2:35:20.040 opportunity to really really do their thing, making them feel comfortable, 2:35:20.080 --> 2:35:22.120 asking the right questions and doing all of that stuff. 2:35:22.120 --> 2:35:24.480 And the biggest thing that y'are preaching about is togetherness. 2:35:24.560 --> 2:35:24.720 Man. 2:35:25.080 --> 2:35:27.120 Listen, when I've heard Kendrick and. 2:35:27.200 --> 2:35:29.000 Drake and j Cole, I went on my pocket and 2:35:29.040 --> 2:35:33.120 I'm like yo, as long as it's non violent, go 2:35:33.240 --> 2:35:35.600 ahead with the lyrics. That's part of the business, the 2:35:35.680 --> 2:35:38.320 whole bit. But as long as it's not, just keep 2:35:38.400 --> 2:35:40.840 it safe and the whole bit. There's money to be 2:35:40.959 --> 2:35:43.320 made out here for all of us. Some gonna make 2:35:43.400 --> 2:35:45.360 more than others, but that ain't the point. The point 2:35:45.440 --> 2:35:47.320 is we could all live well, we could always make 2:35:47.360 --> 2:35:49.600 it happen. And for me personally, you know, one of 2:35:49.680 --> 2:35:51.760 the things that I do religiously is I go on 2:35:51.840 --> 2:35:53.840 a lot of these podcasts because me being in the 2:35:53.879 --> 2:35:56.560 position that I'm in, I know when people invite me, 2:35:56.600 --> 2:35:58.360 a lot of times they think I won't show up. 2:35:58.760 --> 2:36:02.280 But guess what cats did it for me when I 2:36:02.360 --> 2:36:04.720 brought up Isaiah and others, and they did it for me. 2:36:05.280 --> 2:36:08.080 And the least I can do is do my part 2:36:08.160 --> 2:36:10.320 to help and let the world know. You see these 2:36:10.360 --> 2:36:12.960 brothers out here doing this stuff. I support them. You know, 2:36:13.120 --> 2:36:15.440 my style is different from other people. I'm a product 2:36:15.480 --> 2:36:18.680 of corporate America who's venturing out on my own. But 2:36:18.800 --> 2:36:20.520 one of the things y'all got to remember to give 2:36:20.600 --> 2:36:23.760 y'all selves credit for. And I'm not talking about just y'all, 2:36:24.040 --> 2:36:26.440 but so many others who are doing this. See the 2:36:26.560 --> 2:36:28.480 athletes are different. You had your money and then you 2:36:28.600 --> 2:36:31.520 did it. I'm different because I had ESPN and my 2:36:31.680 --> 2:36:34.840 career at Fox and newspaper business all this stuff before 2:36:34.879 --> 2:36:37.000 I did it. You got a whole bunch of cats 2:36:37.080 --> 2:36:40.480 that bet on themselves and go out there and did it. 2:36:40.879 --> 2:36:43.440 And what I'm saying is there's a level of courage 2:36:44.480 --> 2:36:47.440 that you showed, this belief in yourself that you could 2:36:47.480 --> 2:36:49.920 do what you're supposed to be doing. And as a 2:36:50.040 --> 2:36:53.000 result of that. Never forget that, because there's a lot 2:36:53.080 --> 2:36:56.280 of people who got a lot of ability but don't 2:36:56.320 --> 2:36:59.440 have courage, and you're looking at one of them who 2:36:59.520 --> 2:37:03.600 spent year not having courage. I was raised by a 2:37:03.680 --> 2:37:06.360 mom that punched the clock as a registered nurse and 2:37:06.520 --> 2:37:08.520 believe in putting your head down and going to work 2:37:08.520 --> 2:37:11.039 and coming home and all that other stuff. It wasn't 2:37:11.120 --> 2:37:13.640 until later on in my life, in my mid forties 2:37:13.680 --> 2:37:16.160 and stuff like that, that I had an entrepreneurial spirit. 2:37:16.440 --> 2:37:18.040 But it still took me a while to get to 2:37:18.120 --> 2:37:20.039 that point because I was an employee and they got 2:37:20.080 --> 2:37:22.280 you under contract and they can restrict your rights and 2:37:22.600 --> 2:37:27.119 all of this other stuff because of y'all. People like y'all, 2:37:27.959 --> 2:37:32.080 people like me, even in my fifties, are gaining more 2:37:32.200 --> 2:37:33.920 courage than I ever had in my life. 2:37:34.640 --> 2:37:38.119 And so it ain't resent. It's gratefulness. 2:37:38.160 --> 2:37:41.119 It's gratitude that I feel for y'all, that I feel 2:37:41.160 --> 2:37:43.720 for so many people in this space that's doing so 2:37:43.959 --> 2:37:46.640 much of what y'all doing. I'm gonna get mine, I'm 2:37:46.680 --> 2:37:49.280 aa strive to get mine, but I'll be damned if 2:37:49.280 --> 2:37:51.760 I'm not gonna help it. Every opportunity to help others 2:37:52.200 --> 2:37:54.520 along the way get theirs, and y'all a two of 2:37:54.600 --> 2:37:58.240 those people this team are definitely so anytime y'all want 2:37:58.280 --> 2:37:59.320 me on, I'm happy to come back home. 2:38:00.720 --> 2:38:05.720 It's you said something that was one of the most 2:38:05.760 --> 2:38:10.960 prolific things I ever heard. You said, sometimes all of 2:38:11.040 --> 2:38:14.760 us don't got to be equal. You're only promised. We're 2:38:14.840 --> 2:38:19.039 only for opportunity, deserving of equal opportunity, deserving. 2:38:18.720 --> 2:38:21.680 Of ego opportunity. Yes, that shit blew my mind. 2:38:21.720 --> 2:38:24.400 It's the truth, and most of us do have the 2:38:24.440 --> 2:38:28.120 same ego opportunities. We don't capitalize off, we don't deserve 2:38:29.360 --> 2:38:32.280 the same equal results you. 2:38:32.560 --> 2:38:37.760 All of us work with people, work for people, or 2:38:37.840 --> 2:38:42.520 have people under us who either work better and produce 2:38:42.640 --> 2:38:47.720 more or work worse and produce less. People who produce 2:38:47.840 --> 2:38:49.280 less and don't work as hard as me don't deserve 2:38:49.320 --> 2:38:54.920 what I deserve. Okay, you know, everybody that's poor don't 2:38:54.959 --> 2:38:58.760 deserve to be poor, but some of them do. Everybody 2:38:58.840 --> 2:39:02.040 that's rich don't just be rich, but some people don't 2:39:02.040 --> 2:39:04.840 deserve to be rich. You see what I'm saying. It's like, 2:39:05.200 --> 2:39:07.680 that's the way it is. And when you accept that, 2:39:08.040 --> 2:39:11.440 what you do is attach a level of accountability to 2:39:11.640 --> 2:39:13.640 those that are trying to make things happen. Are you 2:39:13.720 --> 2:39:15.440 really trying to make it happen? Are you really exhausting 2:39:15.480 --> 2:39:17.000 yourself doing all that you need to do in order 2:39:17.040 --> 2:39:19.200 to achieve what you have to If you're doing all 2:39:19.240 --> 2:39:20.120 of that, God bless you. 2:39:20.240 --> 2:39:22.080 More power to you. What help do you need? If 2:39:22.120 --> 2:39:24.600 you're a lazy ass person, don't come in my direction. 2:39:24.920 --> 2:39:25.880 I got no use for you. 2:39:26.400 --> 2:39:29.880 I got family members who lazy as hell. They ain't 2:39:29.879 --> 2:39:32.720 employed by me. The people are employed by me or 2:39:32.720 --> 2:39:35.200 people I know gonna work. And by the way, if 2:39:35.240 --> 2:39:40.039 I see them and they being lazy, they gonna get fired. Period. 2:39:40.760 --> 2:39:41.760 It's about production. 2:39:42.400 --> 2:39:44.960 It's about getting the job done, because if they don't 2:39:44.959 --> 2:39:47.879 get the job done, they inhibit your ability to get 2:39:47.920 --> 2:39:48.480 the job done. 2:39:48.480 --> 2:39:49.720 And you're the one that's gonna suffer. 2:39:50.280 --> 2:39:50.320 You. 2:39:50.480 --> 2:39:53.480 Do not let somebody bring you down. You can't bring 2:39:53.560 --> 2:39:57.000 everybody with you. Some people you got to lead their 2:39:57.040 --> 2:40:00.280 ass home. Look at them, you supplement them, all right. 2:40:00.280 --> 2:40:01.760 I'm gonna look out for you a little bit, try 2:40:01.800 --> 2:40:03.680 to give you an edge up here. You go and 2:40:03.760 --> 2:40:05.959 inspire them as much as you can. But you can't 2:40:06.120 --> 2:40:09.640 roll with me because if I believe I'm here and 2:40:09.760 --> 2:40:12.360 I believe this is what is required, I can't have 2:40:12.520 --> 2:40:15.240 you here, especially you gonna bring me down. 2:40:15.320 --> 2:40:17.000 Yep, I gotta go fast. 2:40:22.400 --> 2:40:25.800 Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production hosts and 2:40:25.959 --> 2:40:29.360 executive producers n O r E and dj e FN. 2:40:30.520 --> 2:40:31.359 Listen to Drink. 2:40:31.240 --> 2:40:35.480 Champs on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you 2:40:35.640 --> 2:40:39.440 get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us for another episode 2:40:39.440 --> 2:40:42.280 of Drink Champs hosted by Yours truly, DJ e FN 2:40:42.520 --> 2:40:44.640 and n O r E. Please make sure to follow 2:40:44.720 --> 2:40:47.240 us on all our socials that's at drink Champs across 2:40:47.320 --> 2:40:50.160 all platforms. 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