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Speaker 1: He is drinks Chests, motherfucky podcast man.

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Speaker 2: He's a legendary queens rapper.

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Speaker 3: He ain't agreed as your boy in O r E.

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Speaker 2: He's a Miami hip hop pioneer put up as d

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Speaker 2: J E f N.

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Speaker 3: Together they drink it up with some.

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Speaker 2: Of the biggest players, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one

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Speaker 4: source for drunk.

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Speaker 2: Drink chans mocavery day is New Year's Eve. That's it's

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Speaker 2: time for drink champs, drink up, motherfuck.

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Speaker 1: Would it could be hopeing he wanna shoot me? This

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Speaker 1: is your boy in O r E. P up is

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Speaker 1: DJ E f N and it's drink Chefs. Japis Now

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Speaker 1: we'll be starting at this show. We wanted to give

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Speaker 1: props to legends, to give flowers to the people where

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Speaker 1: they can smell them.

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Speaker 3: They drinks where they.

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Speaker 1: Can and hell them, and they thoughts when they can

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Speaker 3: When I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: This brother here that I would be about to introduce,

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Speaker 1: I tell you I watched this man religiously. I can

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Speaker 1: hear him talk about anything. He can talk about pink

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Speaker 1: yellow nails and I'll still be like, yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with him. He is a wordplay, A fisherianado, a sports aficionado,

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Speaker 1: and I don't I've always had to ask this question

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Speaker 1: because I don't know how to hell you watch this

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Speaker 1: all of them goddamn games.

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Speaker 3: And comments on them all.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Some people call him a cowboy hater, and some people

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Speaker 1: say he's acting about the cowboys and the cowboys on

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Speaker 3: He's from my barrel, even though when I Google him.

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Speaker 1: They said he was born in Brooklyn, so I gotta

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Speaker 1: ask that. But he's Holly Squeens, one of the best,

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Speaker 1: if not the best, sports people period. I hate when

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Speaker 1: hip hop used this term goat, but in this case

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Speaker 3: He's a mass man and I can.

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Speaker 1: I was so excited, I've been sweating all day. So

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Speaker 1: in case you don't know who I'm talking about, what

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Speaker 1: about the one only Legendarry And.

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Speaker 3: How y'all doing?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: Look, I couldn't wait for this. By the way, I

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Speaker 3: want you to pick my drink.

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Speaker 1: I'm gon drink champagne in between, but either Japanese whiskey

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Speaker 3: Vodka STD the elite.

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Speaker 1: So that's something I've always wanted to ask you man,

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Speaker 1: You know, wake up every morning we see you, but

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Speaker 1: you you're at the games, but then you.

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Speaker 2: Still know about the game that you're not.

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Speaker 3: That how do you how do you do that?

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Speaker 2: That's like some superhero shit. Well I don't.

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Speaker 2: So what I mean by that is that like if

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Speaker 2: But when I go in the basement, if you see

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's really my man cave. I got a bar,

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is it's a minimum of seven games

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Speaker 2: When I'm watching the sports, I'm watching the Sports Channel.

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Speaker 2: What are the multitude of stories that are percolating to day?

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Speaker 2: Y'all just finished talking about Drake Kendrick, you know, and

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Speaker 2: Jay Cole and all of that. Right, why you talk

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Speaker 2: So I'm trained in accurately, that's right, And I'm training,

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Speaker 2: But I'm just talking about the storyline. What are people

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Speaker 3: And that's how I approach every single day. So let

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you coming from the inner city. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Know that the streets come from.

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Speaker 1: Right then you got to cover golf, you gotta cover soccer,

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Speaker 2: I'm a specialist because I'm an insider, but it's not

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Speaker 2: It's not really about you knowing more basketball than other people,

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Speaker 2: But it's about being so connected to the sport because

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Speaker 2: when I say so, when I say I'm a specialist

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Speaker 2: But you are already no that's me on basketball the

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Speaker 3: Well, y'all reading about it. I'm the one they talked to.

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Speaker 2: You're you know, so some something happened with Shaq and

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Speaker 1: Now, with that being said, with the inside info, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I seen you the other day. Yep, you broung about

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Speaker 2: I didn't say he. I didn't say he texts me.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired.

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Speaker 3: You're not listening to me. Listen what I said.

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Speaker 2: You said, What the hell are you talking about? And

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Speaker 4: All. I want to ask you this further to.

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Speaker 1: The flex, how do you know which conversations to make

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Speaker 3: Damn like you said, y'all?

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Speaker 2: Are they allow me to Okay, I don't they say

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Speaker 2: and you're just echoing those sentiments to me.

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Speaker 3: Directly.

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Speaker 2: If it's sentiments that you made to me that you

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Speaker 3: They ain't doing all that they think about.

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Speaker 2: They're thinking about what you have to gain, or more importantly,

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Speaker 2: It's unedited, and it's live, ain't no tape delay, ain't no,

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Speaker 2: So when you come on live, and that's what I

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Speaker 1: Recently we had people come on here, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: But then these artists will ask us to edit and

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Speaker 2: So you want me to cut this out? You don't

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Speaker 2: see you saying this ship nowhere else? Right?

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Speaker 3: I didn't say that.

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Speaker 3: Do you understand me? So long as you know, I

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Speaker 2: Problems cutting this out, especially if it's something that you

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Speaker 2: You're saying, but I better not see it somewhere else

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Speaker 2: than me. But I got it already. Oh yeah, that

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00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: shit tomorrow. You understand I'm saying, And put the date

439
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: when you said it, so everybody I had it. Don't

440
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: play that game. You say you want it out, keep

441
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 2: it out because listen, there's certain things, you know, a

442
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 2: code of the industry. It's like you don't give somebody

443
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: else editorial power. I've had politicians, I've had, you know,

444
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 2: a big time executives. I've had various others wanted to

445
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: sit down and do interviews with me, and I canceled

446
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: the interview because they wanted editorial control. You're not getting

447
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: editorial control of my content. Don't come on and give

448
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: me the content. I came on here today. I told

449
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: y'all y'all could ask me anything y'all want. That don't

450
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 2: mean I'm gonna answer every damn let me assure you

451
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: what you want. Here from me is me saying, please

452
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: do it, please edit that out. No, no, no, no no.

453
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Speaker 2: I came here, I showed up. I know you got

454
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: critics and people gonna say, I'm gonna get asked. I

455
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: know how y'all wrote what I'm saying. I knew what

456
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 2: I was showing up for. And a lot of times

457
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 2: you got these cats and they being run by their team,

458
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: but they want to act like they did and they

459
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: being rung by their team, and their team didn't have

460
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: any connection. They't creating no kind of viby talk to

461
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 2: you man, the man won on one or whatever the

462
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Speaker 2: case may be, and then they walk around with their

463
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 2: backup like somebody did them wrong instead of owning what

464
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: the hell they did.

465
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Speaker 3: That's my life.

466
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Speaker 2: Right there where.

467
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: It's like I'm constantly the villain and.

468
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Speaker 2: I cannot tell y'all how many times, whether it's y'all,

469
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't give a damn what podcast was, show it is.

470
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: I'll see some people say some shit. It could be

471
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 2: on YouTube, it could be anywhere, and my name come

472
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: up and they say something, and I'm like, how come

473
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Speaker 2: nobody asked they say that to my face? Would they

474
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: put their truth up against my truth? Because we all

475
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: got receipts, but very very few people got as many

476
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: as me, And so I'm like, what.

477
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 3: When I see people I'm.

478
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: Watching because if it's sports related, especially when they talk

479
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 2: about sports commentators and stuff like that, my name coming up,

480
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, and I'm wondering whether that person's gonna

481
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Speaker 2: call me or yo Stephen a yo. Man.

482
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Speaker 3: They said something.

483
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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, because I'll have an answer,

484
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: I promise you that.

485
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Speaker 3: But I really get.

486
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Speaker 2: That opportunity and it's it's all right, But Sometimes I say,

487
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: people say stuff because they know they can get away

488
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Speaker 2: with it.

489
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Speaker 3: They know they could get away with it.

490
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: But your name is so big, I can see why

491
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: certain people want to say your name.

492
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: I can see why.

493
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: Because it's a clickbag, even if it's not trying it

494
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Speaker 1: for it. Because someone say A talking about Steven A,

495
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: They're gonna click on it.

496
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: The name is a hot commodity. So is that something

497
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 3: that bothers you when you don't get that call?

498
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: When I don't get that call sometimes, especially if it

499
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: depends on the ship they're saying and how personal it get,

500
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: because I would, I would listen. I know what codes

501
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: I live by. I know if you're a player and

502
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: you didn't get along with the coach, it was because

503
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 2: y'all were y'all were, y'all were doing the same woman, right,

504
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: you know what you're screwing around with a teammates girl

505
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: or a teammate's wife, or you know you got in

506
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: of this beef because you know you tried to choke

507
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Speaker 2: a coach or something. You know you gotta you gotta.

508
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Speaker 3: Well that's the trust me.

509
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: Well, but you know, depending on rumors, think about it.

510
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: You hear about that stuff every year, every year, Right,

511
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: So you got all types of the kind of stuff

512
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: that I get access to the kind of information that

513
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: I get access to by virtue of what I do

514
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: for a living. I promise you I don't say seventy

515
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: percent of the stuff that I know, Wow, seventy percent.

516
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: And so what happens is when you see cats and

517
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: you know they talking about your stuff like that, I

518
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: will remind you I've been in the business for thirty years.

519
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: I know about dudes who were talking about me and

520
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: they were filming a commercial in the off season in

521
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: Hollywood and not realizing I knew the damn producers. Wow,

522
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: you connected with cats in the hip hop industry? You

523
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: don't know I know Them's what I'm saying. I mean,

524
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: don't don't listen. I'm not the expert, the officionado at that.

525
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: Like I like music, of course I did. I grow

526
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: on a product of the hip hop generation growing up

527
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: in Holland. Queen's jam Master Jay was best friends with

528
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Speaker 2: my late brother god Rest of Soul. I grew up

529
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: with run DMC. So why they see me? What do

530
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: you say a Holland fifty was?

531
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Speaker 3: It was was you know down the.

532
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Speaker 2: Block llll who j grew up five minutes from your

533
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: Pharma's ball, the Rock, The Rock, you know, John Rude fifty,

534
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 2: all of these, I'm like, who you talking to? I'm

535
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: seeing I've seen these people years. I root for them

536
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: all day every day. I'm proud of them because I

537
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: look at the road travel and I know where they

538
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: came from to get to where they go. They always

539
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: gonna have my support. Give a damn who it is

540
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: my man should have? Yeah, you know, I just got

541
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: with Snoop because I told her, Damn, I said, I

542
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: have to prepare for the interview. I what you did?

543
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean it just like these these are my brothers.

544
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: They know you pick up the phone, stephen A, is

545
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: what what you need done? That's you know. I mean,

546
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm incredibly grateful and humbled and thankful that I got

547
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: relationships with such iconic figures.

548
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: You can't have relationships with those with cats like that.

549
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: If you don't live by a cold and you don't

550
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: stand for ship and you're gonna betray p Pully and.

551
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: You go backstab, you can't do that.

552
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: So when you got cats in the sports world, what's

553
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557
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558
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560
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561
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562
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563
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564
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565
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566
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569
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570
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571
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Speaker 4: hot because you're.

572
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: Implying that I live by a cold that anybody who

573
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: knows me knows I do not live by it, And

574
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: so what happens is then I'm watching everybody, because I

575
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: will watch whether it's y'all or somebody else. And I'd

576
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: be like, you just gonna let them say that, You're

577
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: gonna let that slide. What evidence do you have to

578
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: say that shit about me? You know?

579
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: And you got to.

580
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: Remember, I know of Athletic they remain nameless, but I

581
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: know the stars that spoke to executives trying to keep

582
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: me out of the business. Oh wow, trying to get

583
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: me fired, trying to trying to deny what I'm bringing.

584
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: And then come and they won't say anything. I gonna

585
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: accuse him of smiler in my face because they ain't

586
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: that flagrant with it. But they don't know that. I know.

587
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: Like I told you before, you're filming a commercial, you

588
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 2: hanging out with your boys, you might be in a hotel,

589
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: you might be at a party or whatever. Yo, bro,

590
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: you ain't been I've been in this business for thirty years.

591
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: I kind of know people. So it could be a week, lady,

592
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: it could be a month, lady, It could be that night.

593
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna get back to me, and it ain't gonna

594
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: get back to me. From Nay says that you know,

595
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: I barely know. I'm talking about people that I know

596
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: whose words I know I can trust. Yo, Stephen, Ay, Bro,

597
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: that ain't no friend. This is what he's saying about you.

598
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: This is what they trying to do. This is what happened.

599
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: And so I just sit back and I watch, and

600
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: I pray, pray that they say something about me by name.

601
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: Oh you don't know how to be praying for it,

602
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: because again, I can unleash at my discretion at any

603
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: moment if and I and I'm mostly reserved, no doubt,

604
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: because I'm in corporate America and I grew up in

605
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: corporate America. The freedom that y'all have in this in

606
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: this podcast world, that's something I just adopted. I never

607
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: had to Stephen A Smith show on YouTube that just

608
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: started a year ago. I don't you know, I wasn't

609
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: doing that all of these years. I wasn't.

610
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: I said, what, thank you? I appreciated that.

611
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't do you know.

612
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: I just started doing that and I didn't you.

613
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: Know you could call it a podcast because I got

614
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: to deal with our Heart Radio and they gonna push

615
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: that on their platforms. But out of my own pocket.

616
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: I built a television studio because my god, I came out.

617
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: I can't a couple of mill out my own pocket.

618
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: I built this television studio because A. I want to

619
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Speaker 2: show that I can produce television on my own. Whereas

620
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: I'm not getting the checkers an employee, I'm getting the

621
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: check as a production company because I'm producing content and

622
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Speaker 2: I'm getting that bag too, on top of me being

623
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: the talent. Oh by the way, not only am I

624
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: doing that, I own and operated one hundred percent. Oh

625
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: by the way, not only am I doing that, but

626
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm doing it with the purpose of not just myself

627
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: but looking for young talent on the come up that

628
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: I can produce years of years to come. Because I'm

629
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: fifty six. I ain't twenty six. I don't want to

630
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: do this shit in thirty years. You know what I'm saying.

631
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: I want, I want, and I want my legacy to

632
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: be somebody that's reaching out to help those on to

633
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: come up, so we can find we can find a

634
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: way to do that.

635
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: Because everybody can't be you.

636
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: Everybody can't be you, everybody can't be me, but they

637
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: can be themselves in a fashion that's most profitable for them,

638
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: show them the way, and show them there's another I'm

639
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: not I'm corporate because I had to live in corporate

640
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: America for thirty years. I know who I am, you said,

641
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: I know what I am when I take the suit

642
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: off and I'm hanging in Hollis, You're a SENI. I'm

643
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: hanging with the Fellas or something like that. But you

644
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: can't roll up with Bob IgA, the CEO of Walt Disney,

645
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Pataro, the president of the ESPN, and Roger

646
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: Goodella NFL commissioner, Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner. You know,

647
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: like you with the Fellas, it calls for something different.

648
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: Do you have the flexibility, the skill to know how,

649
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: the professionalism to be able to dance in that world

650
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: when you're not you or you or me?

651
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: And I'm the kind of person that thinks that I

652
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: could help.

653
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: Is showing the way so that versatility kicks in and

654
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: you can show yourself to be marketable to a whole

655
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: bunch of people. People a lot of times don't see that.

656
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: We encouraging young cats. Man, do what you want to do,

657
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: when you want to do how you want to do it.

658
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: Fuck everybody, else, But you got your hand out for

659
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: somebody else's money. And that pisses me off because I'm like, yo,

660
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: you don't have to be a business owner. Tell me,

661
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: even if you were on a street, hang it with

662
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: your boys. If your boys came to you and said, yo, dog,

663
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: I need some money, you might give it to them

664
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: the first time. Second time you go be like, what

665
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: fuck you need it for it? Third time again?

666
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: Again?

667
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: Why you underta what I'm saying. And you're gonna want

668
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: to know what they're doing with it, you see what

669
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But we act like we can encourage people

670
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: to do what they want to do, when they want

671
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: to do it how they want to do. When they

672
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: got their head out for somebody else's money, you setting

673
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: them up for a dead end ride. They're gonna fall.

674
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: You can't operate that way. I'm the kind of person

675
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: that says that. And because I say that, you got

676
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: people that snub their nose up to get the backup.

677
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: They got an attitude all of this other stuff, And

678
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: I don't have patience for that because I'm like, yo,

679
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help cats.

680
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: What you're trying to do when you're leading them down

681
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: a dead end road.

682
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Right like me?

683
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Right, I did love and hip hop. Right, this is Viacom,

684
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: which is corporate America. I did it because I enjoyed

685
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: working for somebody.

686
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I already know I'm the boss of

687
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: whatever whatever my world, but I wanted.

688
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: To go into somebody else's world that I could be

689
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: accountable for not being on time. I'd be accountable for

690
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: not showing up or things like that, and I enjoyed it.

691
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: I fully enjoyed that.

692
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: They didn't want to keep paying me because I wanted more, exactly,

693
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: so we agreed to disagree. But that time, I always

694
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: say that I'm good with, you know, doing what I

695
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: gotta do, and then if I have to work for.

696
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: Somebody else, I'm okay with it.

697
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: Right.

698
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: I know who I am in real life.

699
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: So is that how you feel when it comes.

700
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: To first thing?

701
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say when it comes to first take, you know,

702
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: because my weakness is I hate getting up in the morning.

703
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: Because once I'm up, i'm up. I don't take naps,

704
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: and I stay up real late. I don't go to

705
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: sleep before two am. So because of that, I'm up constantly,

706
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm on my grind. I can't stand

707
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: getting up early. That's the only hiccup in my entire career.

708
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: I'll turn down millions if you asked me to get

709
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: up at four or five am to help with it.

710
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: I gotta figure out something else, you know.

711
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: That's how I am. And that's been my week.

712
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: That's been my one weakness throughout my career, throughout my life.

713
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: But I will tell you this, I've often said this

714
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: about working for Disney. It ain't perfect, right, damn. It

715
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: could be hard sometimes because they got a shareholders, stock holders,

716
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, and you got to answer for that.

717
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: And when you're a major player, somebody that moves the needle,

718
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: and you know, God has blessed me. I've been number

719
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: one for them for like eight nine years on that

720
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: level in terms of moving the needle. Here's the deal.

721
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: I've often said this, I'd rather work for someone with

722
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: standards than someone looking for them. I can always make

723
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: the adjustment to being free and easy and not having

724
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: to answer to anybody.

725
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 3: But if I had never had to answer to anybody,

726
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: and then all of a.

727
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: Sudden I got to work for somebody and work in

728
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: corporate America, I'm a lost soul. I ain't gonna not adjust.

729
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: I'm not going to know how to live that life.

730
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: It's going to drive me crazy. But the fact that

731
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: I have worked for the New York Daily News, for

732
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Inquirer, for CNN, Fox Sports, ultimately ESPN, and

733
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Walt Disney. Right because of that, especially walked Disney over

734
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: the last twenty years, I'm in a position where I've

735
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: seen so much corporate and how strict it can be

736
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: and how paralyzing at times.

737
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: It can be right that I can adjust to anything.

738
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: Because it ain't gonna be much tougher than that in

739
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: terms of the standard. Right, everything's gonna be a little looser,

740
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: And as a result, I'm gonna feel more free no

741
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: matter where you put me, right, and that gives me

742
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: a decisive advantage moving forward because I played the long game.

743
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 4: Makes sense?

744
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: Do you when you uh uh first take, but then

745
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: when you uh do Stephen a show.

746
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: You're the boss boys, Yes, I'm the boss boss. So

747
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: is it is it more hard to deal with employees?

748
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: Hell?

749
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me tell you something. Look, look, look, look,

750
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: when people.

751
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: Work for you, When you're working for somebody, you have

752
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: a standard you're determined to meet. When you're the boss,

753
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: you have a standard you're praying everyone else will meet,

754
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: and most people ain't you.

755
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: And so as a result, you know on what and

756
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: not only that. Here's the thing.

757
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: On one hand, you the priority has to be competent,

758
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: your ability, You got your carew here.

759
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: They got to know what the hell they're doing.

760
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You see them ain't got

761
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 2: smiles on their faces, but they not do the damn jobs.

762
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

763
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: So they're good because they know you believe they're good.

764
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: And that's all right. Okay, So the competence is number one.

765
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: But right there is trust right now. Trust comes in

766
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: a variety of ways. You don't want people telling your business,

767
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: but then again, when you ain't got much to hide,

768
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: you don't care about that. But the other part of

769
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 2: trusting is being able to close your eyes and turn

770
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: your back and know that the standard that you've mandated

771
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 2: is being met at all times, because you got folks

772
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 2: that are that committed, and when there's a question mark

773
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: to that, that could be very, very stressful. I'm doing

774
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: the Steven A. Smith Show on YouTube right I got

775
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand followers. I probably hit six hundred thousand

776
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: subscribers tomorrow.

777
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: Right in year one.

778
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: That's not bad. I'm picking up about fifteen hundred subscribers

779
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: a day. I ain't satisfied. I think it should be better.

780
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: But I got people around me. Man, we're doing well,

781
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at them. You know while I'm looking

782
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: at them, God, damn it. You don't set the standard.

783
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: I set the standard. I'm the one cutting this check.

784
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: Tell me what we're doing. Now. If I'm unreasonable, that's different,

785
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: But don't you did? Tell me what we're doing as

786
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: if you're the one who is defining the standard, and

787
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: let me give a sports to that alogy to you,

788
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna give it to you because you'll love this.

789
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: I'm a diehard Knicks fan.

790
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: We all know that.

791
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard being a Knicks fan.

792
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: I know, but no, no, no, no, no, no, now

793
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: ye now, oh god, So it was so hard being

794
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: a Knick fan. It was hard for me to look

795
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: at that. Damn Jim, do you know I walk by him.

796
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: Now you're billionaire. Now you're a billionaire now, and I

797
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: want but I think it's hard for him. How you doing,

798
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: he sees me, Steven, How you doing? You know what

799
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying, demon is misster snineteen ninety nine, nineteen ninety nine,

800
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: can't get to finals, bleed for shut on top. But

801
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: this year I think I had a chance, but they

802
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: had too many damnag. Well we'll see what happened since

803
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: they got og number one, defensive efficiency, all of this

804
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: other stuff.

805
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: But we'll talk about that. We're doing better than he.

806
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.

807
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: I want the heat again. I actually want to hea.

808
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: He't the healthy.

809
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: Listen, listen. No, no one thing as I as an aside,

810
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: know one thing about me.

811
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: I am never losing when the Heat a plan because

812
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: because that means I get to come to South Beach.

813
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something.

814
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 1: The difference between Heat fans and Nick fans. Heat fans

815
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: don't even sit down in their seats, stay back there

816
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: and club live drinking. Nick.

817
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: I remember going to a Lebron game.

818
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: Halftime came Lebron was losing, the whole, Heat left, the whole,

819
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: the state left, and I remember being the diehard Knick

820
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: fans saying that would never happen.

821
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: That's true, we do not leave, that's true. But here's

822
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: the flip side. Sorry, you could be at a Knicks game.

823
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You could be at a Heat game and

824
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: if you're not from Miami and you know anything about Miami,

825
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: you get there early just for the view. Is they

826
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: got a club.

827
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: Club eight o'clock, eight o'clock. That's the only time, so

828
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: motherfuckers going here just for the club.

829
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: Miami. Miami is the only time in my life where

830
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: I sound like Sammy Sosa.

831
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: Miami has been.

832
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: It's the only time I sound like save me something

833
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: I said. I don't need no dam but it is

834
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: what it is. But I say all of that to say,

835
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, using the whole nixt thing or anything like

836
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: that as an example, Okay, you've got a situation where

837
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: they improved and they doing their thing, and folks are

838
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: salivating over what they're seeing.

839
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: We're just doing better, doing great, You're doing.

840
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: Bet And I'm going like this, do we have a

841
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: chance to go to the finals or not? Because that's

842
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 2: how I'm looking at it, Like mister Robson, you gonna

843
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: get healthy.

844
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 3: Oh, jann Over, You're gonna get healthy.

845
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: You're just ready to go get healthy. Jayden Brust and Ballert,

846
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: somebody gonna give um some help. Because I'm looking at

847
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics, and I'm saying that.

848
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: Should be the only team standing in your way right now.

849
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: Milwaukee with Dame Dolla and Giannis can't be ignored. We

850
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: get all of that, but losing jew Holiday and stuff

851
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: like that, you compromise defensively, New York, this got a chance.

852
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: Boston is the one roadblock standing in your face. To me,

853
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: anything other than a trip to the conference finals, if

854
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: you're healthy against Boston is a failure. Anything less than

855
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: that is a failure. So when I see folks like, man.

856
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 5: We were doing that, I'm like talking about yeah, and

857
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 5: I'm going like, this is your ass for New York.

858
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: You have you suffered since nineteen seventy three. You understand

859
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm like, because I want you out, I

860
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: want you out of here. You ain't a part of this, coach,

861
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: You ain't a part of this because they don't know.

862
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: And then you got these young whipper snappers and stuff.

863
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 2: You in your thirties. Shut the hell up. You don't

864
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: know what kind of soft wind, weird stuff. I was

865
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: five years old in nineteen seventy three when the New

866
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: York Knicks went to the finals. I ain't seen him

867
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: Dave Listen, they went to the fund. I'm sorry when

868
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: they won a championship. They've been to the finals ever since.

869
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: But thevin even when they went to the finals in

870
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, we knew they weren't gonna beat san Antonio.

871
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: You knew you in with his old knees and spree

872
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Well and no one gonna beat I'm sorry, you was hurt.

873
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: So you got spree Well and Camby and you aren't

874
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: beating Tim Duncan and David Robinson. That's not that was

875
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: like when Lebron went to against San Antonio the first

876
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: go round in two thousand and seven, we knew he

877
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna beat him, So congratulations getting there, but you

878
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: ain't got a snowballs chance in hell of beating that team.

879
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: This is the same thing with the New York Knicks.

880
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: So I'm like when I see people, I'm like, it's

881
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: not just about getting there, it's about me firmly believing

882
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: you got a chance.

883
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: The last time that happened was when you went against

884
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: the Lajawan.

885
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: In Houston and John Stark shot one for eleven from

886
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: three point range two for eighteen for the game in

887
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: a game seven.

888
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: You know and pat Riley my man, pat Riley.

889
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: I love this man. I love Rob's but pat Riley

890
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: is the boss of the New York Knicks. I'm sorry, Yes,

891
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: he the once in the New York Knicks, the head coach.

892
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: You picked up Rolando black Men in the season who

893
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: does nothing but shoot, and there was nothing that's said

894
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: to you. John Starks is suffering right now. I need

895
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: to get Rolando black Men in there because John Starks

896
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: tore it up and gave six See it's moments like this.

897
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: You can't be young, not even born, ignorant and come

898
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: to me talking about all the hell with you. You

899
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: ain't no real Nicks man. You got to shut the

900
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: hell out here. You don't know, you have no idea.

901
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: The frustration tell you how much I'm a Knicks man

902
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: is every time the Knicks get on the street, I

903
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: watched and then they lose, So don't watch.

904
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: Because they keep on winning.

905
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Because that was about it. I think.

906
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: It's being a Knicks fan. I think it's me. I'm

907
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: like Erica, like, how did they do tonight?

908
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I won't physically why because every time I physically what

909
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: they physically love?

910
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: That's right question?

911
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: So you for that that all was the bad luck. Listen,

912
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: I feel that way sometimes too. And then I swowed

913
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: myself up and over, I'm gonna watch it. Damn I

914
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: shouldn't have watched, but he let.

915
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: Me give you even more more crazy. I moved in Miami,

916
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: in Miami fifteen years.

917
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: By the way, how you feel about living here?

918
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 4: Oh?

919
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: I love it.

920
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm taking thinking about how bad it was being a

921
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: Knicks fan is it's a stuff of law.

922
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: If you're a Knicks.

923
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: Fan and a Nets fan, it's round upon if you

924
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: are a Jets fan and a Giants fan. When I

925
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: moved to my and I said, oh that's she is

926
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: out the window. I'm a fan of New York. I'm

927
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: even a fart of the New York Islanders's hockey team.

928
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just braised our hair called Dumpies, right,

929
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: Duffy's a great ball? Yet, please, the Duffies is a

930
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: great ball every time the Knicks and the Heat played.

931
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: Everybody just get together, don't. It's a dope ask ball.

932
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: But it's a whole bunch of New Yorkers twenty years

933
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: that we fucking got back into my area. It's not letting.

934
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: You don't have to let it. You only came here

935
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: for the weather, the taxes and stuff that we don't

936
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: need to message that. Let's be like, let us have

937
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: a lot of view of public right here. But I

938
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: will tell you this. I will tell you this. You

939
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: don't have to let go of your New York family

940
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: because New York is everywhere. We get all of that,

941
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: we get all of that. But I got a better

942
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: story for you. So Miami hardcore.

943
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: Yes, they are Raleigh.

944
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: They don't play. They don't communicate with nobody. They ain't

945
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: returning text messages. You know, they ain't leaking information and

946
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: and they don't do all that. They don't play that game.

947
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: You know, they're real ones. They they you know, if

948
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: they got something to say, they said publicly. You know

949
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I mean, I've known them for years.

950
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm very tight with the Heat organization. I go back,

951
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, close to thirty years with a lot of

952
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: these cats, the raleighs and the Tim Donovan's that the

953
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: communications got to thank you so much, the Tim Donovans

954
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: and and Rob Wilson's and me relationships. The players. D

955
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 2: wade all of them, I mean U d all of them.

956
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: I'll go back. Yeah, I've known a lot enough for

957
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: years and got a lot of love for them, and

958
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: they real ones. But here's the thing that happened to

959
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: me last year. Let me show you how the pressid

960
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: this is. So I'm furious with the New York Knicks

961
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: because they didn't get Donovan Mitchell. And this is the

962
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: inside right, because everybody know worldwide. West, you know that's

963
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: my man. I love them, But we had to stop

964
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: talking for a little while because they was.

965
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: Running the organization.

966
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: Doesn't know that he works under the president of the

967
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: basketball operation, Leon Roase. They were pissing me off, and

968
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: West would come to protect them, missit, and I'd be like, look, man,

969
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: we can't talk.

970
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: This is the Knicks.

971
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: This ain't object I'm not objective about the New I'll

972
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: tell you right now. See that's the key with with me.

973
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm talking now. I'm objective with what I

974
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: report in terms of actual factual information, but I'm not

975
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: hiding my emotion. I am rooting for the knicks'st anybody,

976
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: and when they lose, I'm pissed and I'm looking for

977
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: who is.

978
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: Going to incur my.

979
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: Wrath because you affissed me off because yet again, you're failed. Okay,

980
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: So he's calling me to to to be protected of

981
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: Leon Rose, your rust man, and the interests of our friendship. Dog.

982
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 3: We're not gonna talk. Come by, cush ass. I don't

983
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: tell this ship man.

984
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm tired, you know what I'm saying. I love him, man,

985
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: I love him, knowing them for over twenty five years,

986
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: but it was driving me crazy. So here's what happened.

987
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: You got an opportunity. I'm watching the Knicks, and I

988
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 2: believe I believe that if the Knicks had Donovan Mitchell

989
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: last year, they're in the conference finals.

990
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: Miami does not be them. Miami does not beat.

991
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: Hi. Conference finals. They do not beat Miami does not

992
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: beat the Knicks. If Donovan Mitchell was with bruntson the way,

993
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: Brunton was playing you with me. So I'm saying this now,

994
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: you gotta remember. You gotta rewind the clock. I'm doing

995
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 2: radio in New York City for ESPN Radio back when

996
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell was coming out of Louisville. This damn dude,

997
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: Phil Jackson, you know the eleven time champion, six championships

998
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: in Chicago, five in l A. You know the sin

999
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: master who all of a sudden don't want to coach

1000
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: when he get the New York and ship what we

1001
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: need you for? You don't want to coach, daddy.

1002
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: You know what, here's the deal. We don't know because

1003
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: he went shoe.

1004
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: He didn't show up right, at least trying to show up,

1005
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: tripping there all the way. For the point that I'm

1006
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: trying to make, is this so so Jackson don't want

1007
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: to coach, right, And I'm going like this, I'm hearing

1008
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: all these names, Elik Monk and all you know, all

1009
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: these people, and I said, Donovan Mitchell, Louisville, the brother Special,

1010
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 2: get him. Phil Jackson drafted this dude. Frank Neela Kina.

1011
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: Frank Neela Kina never heard of him from overseas. Yeah,

1012
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: I just came from France.

1013
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm serious because I know you're

1014
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: passed up, right, So now bring that up. Why because

1015
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell taking the league by storm, averaging twenty five games,

1016
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: showing the skill set. Utah, blah blah blah. He I

1017
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: know Utah he wants out. Utah is looking to move

1018
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: him and he wants to go home from Upstate New York. One,

1019
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: come out, come on, no question.

1020
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: Figure out how the hell.

1021
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: I know that emphatically, he wants to come to New York.

1022
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying. Leon Rose has an opportunity

1023
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: to get this man, and he is on the phone

1024
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: with Danny Inge, who departs from Boston. It's now running

1025
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz and Danny Ainge is universally recognized as

1026
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: one of the elite executives in this ward.

1027
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: He's not someone you bluff. He knows what he's doing.

1028
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 3: But this is what he wants.

1029
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: What about four or five picks?

1030
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: One and RJ Barrett you know.

1031
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: One crimes. I'm like, ye, it's all. You got eleven

1032
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: picks over the next seven years. You got Yanni's coming,

1033
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: you got something lebron on Lee La who you got?

1034
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: You got to get him.

1035
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: Not only does he not get him. One of the

1036
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: reasons he doesn't get him.

1037
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: This brother Leon Rose has some dude named Gershard Ross

1038
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: who hain't recently gotten fired in Minnesota on the phone

1039
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: negotiating for him.

1040
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 3: Now again, how do you notice, I'm Steven a baby.

1041
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: This is what I do. This is basketball. I'm telling

1042
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 2: you what I know, and I'm livid because you don't

1043
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: get them. Right. So now we fast forward to last

1044
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 2: his playoffs and you the Knicks, and you go and

1045
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: you take Cleveland out, you smoke him. They can't deal

1046
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: with y'all defensively. Their big boys don't respond. Jared Allen

1047
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: and or Mobley and these brothers, they don't respond to

1048
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: the challenge. You take them out in six I'm like,

1049
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: let's go to he the next we come. Right, I'm

1050
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: feeling I'm feeling feeling, man, I'm feeling it right. And

1051
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: then I watched Jimmy Butler. Oh yeah, put on a

1052
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: show before had this is Jimmy Butler last year. So Jimmy,

1053
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: my man, love Jimmy to death. Jimmy used to be

1054
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. I felt Philadelphia is making a big mistake

1055
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: because him and and bid like this and b love

1056
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 2: the ground. This brother walked on Jimmy Butler. He holding

1057
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: cats accountable, all that sort of ship you saw from

1058
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons. You know what I'm saying. I understand mental awareness,

1059
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: mental health, all that stuff. Not trying to disrespect, but

1060
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: damn it, you know, where's the mental health when it

1061
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: comes to cash in that check?

1062
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: That seemed he seemed to know how to get to

1063
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: the things I don't want to hear that.

1064
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: You understand, say, ain't trying to hear that ship all

1065
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: right anyway? Anyway? Right, so dominate he on he on

1066
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: the sideline, looking like looking like Julyn in the shades

1067
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: and the fly and all of this other stuff. I'm like, hey,

1068
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: I think, ain't no doubt the wants you. But what

1069
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: that doing for your game? What they're doing for your team?

1070
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: Don't get me started with that.

1071
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 3: Damn Ben Simmons.

1072
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm like that, don't happen with Jimmy Butler there,

1073
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: one way or another, son gonna happen.

1074
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 3: He ain't having that, right.

1075
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: But he in Miami now and he had dropped like

1076
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: over fifty on Milwaukee one game, right, and then they

1077
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: closed them out. So I'm like this, all right, you

1078
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: know it's gonna be tough, but we we could take them.

1079
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: We could take them, right.

1080
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: What am I bringing this up for? Because the Heat won?

1081
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: No, that's not why, that's why, That's not why I'm

1082
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 2: bringing it up. Because remember the Heat don't talk to nobody.

1083
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: Nobody right during this time of year, they locked in.

1084
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: Eric sposed, the phenomenal coach, one of the best ever.

1085
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 2: They locked in. It's eleven thirty, at nine, I get

1086
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: a text message. It's from Jimmy Butler, y'alling next, and

1087
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: I went like this, my heart, my heart, My heart

1088
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: has never hurt so bad over a basketball game before

1089
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: the game than that, because when he said that to me,

1090
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: in my heart, I knew they're gonna get us, but

1091
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: I couldn't admit it to myself. I'm like, holding up.

1092
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, Jayleen.

1093
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: Did it take you to answer that text message immediately?

1094
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 5: I said, oh, damn, said damn, and that's all I said.

1095
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: That's all he said. That's all he said. He had

1096
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: said next you saying all my Knicks fandom, and everything

1097
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: came down and I went.

1098
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 6: On first take the next day. See he said were next?

1099
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 6: Still were next? I said, come on, y'all, come on, y'all.

1100
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 6: And then I go to the game and he just

1101
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 6: looked and he said word.

1102
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: He just shook his head out. Tiger.

1103
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 2: That was a student.

1104
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: It was at one point, this is you just said.

1105
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: One of your big disappointments.

1106
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: One of mines was I felt like we had a

1107
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: chance to get Lebron at one point twenty ten. Yeah,

1108
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: you had just got nine, right, so we had we

1109
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: had a chance to get Lebron. Yeah, why didn't James Dolan?

1110
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: Why didn't the next organization go all out? If they did,

1111
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: they just didn't have anything to offer.

1112
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: Like like James Dolan's pitch was, come to me and

1113
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: I'll make you a billionaire. That was his pitch.

1114
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: That's kind of like a cool pitch, right.

1115
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: I know that unless you believe you're gonna be a

1116
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: billionaire without him, which is what Lebron believed. All right,

1117
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: So that was number one. So Lebron, they in Cleveland.

1118
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 2: You know, you got Donnie Walsh rolled in in a wheelchair,

1119
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: you got James Dolan, who don't have the greatest reputation.

1120
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: You got d'An toni and cast like that. All right,

1121
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: that that that had to compete with pat Riley. Pat Riley,

1122
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: from what I was told, rolled up in there with

1123
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: the championship rings.

1124
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: And put them on the table. Shit, you want one

1125
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: of these? You want one of these?

1126
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: Now? If you remember, I'm the one that broke that story.

1127
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: I went on the air and I said, n I

1128
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: said Lebron. I said, I said, Lebron. Now I'm talking

1129
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: about Lebron's taking this. He's going to South Beach and

1130
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: everybody was like, they would crucify me for three weeks

1131
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: because by this time I was going I was unemployed

1132
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: for them.

1133
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: I was unemployed, damn there for a full year.

1134
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: I read. I had started off resurrecting my career by

1135
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: going to Fox Sports Radio and I was doing morning radio.

1136
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: And on that morning radio show, I announced to the

1137
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: world Lebron going to South Beach. I had sources tell

1138
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: me Lebron going to South Beach. This is three weeks

1139
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: in advance. He taking his talents to South Beach. What

1140
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: the hell does he know? The one he got fired

1141
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: from ESPN? He don't know shit. You know, he ain't

1142
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: doing this, he ain't doing that, blah blah blah. And

1143
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: it was one of the hardest three weeks of my

1144
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: life because I knew I was right. I knew my

1145
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: source was reliable. But if he had changed his mind,

1146
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: you know, yes, it's something different, you know what I'm saying.

1147
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: So it was like, and you know, the wolves were

1148
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: circling because you know, cats wanted me to fall on

1149
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: my face. They wanted me to fail the whole nine.

1150
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: And so had he announced that he was going somewhere else,

1151
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 2: you know, it would have made me look really really

1152
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: bad at that particular moment in time of my career.

1153
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: Nobody's right all the time. You only go about what

1154
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: your sources tell you. But at that time time in

1155
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: my career, having been let go by ESPN a year earlier,

1156
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: having starting to resurrect myself on Fox Sports Radio in

1157
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: the morning time, with Fox Sports Radio not really getting

1158
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: that kind of shine, and now the eye of the

1159
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: sports world was on Fox Sports Radio because of what

1160
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: I reported. That night that Lebron announced he was taking

1161
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: his talents to South Beach was one of the most stressful.

1162
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: Nights of my entire life. But because because you got

1163
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: the prop store for that. Yeah, but I'm saying because

1164
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: he could change his mind or whatever.

1165
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: So had he said he was taking his talents everywhere

1166
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: anywhere else, they would have said I was wrong.

1167
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 3: I't know what I was talking about.

1168
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: No wonder ESPN let his ass go blah blah blah

1169
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: blah blah. So all of that was going on, right,

1170
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: And I knew my sources, and I knew my sources knew,

1171
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: so I had no doubt. But that didn't mean he

1172
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't changed his mind. And so that's what I was

1173
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: dealing with. That's what I was living with. And ultimately,

1174
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: when he decided to take his talents to South Beach,

1175
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: it's because, first of all, him and d Wade was

1176
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: supposed to be here. Whether Mello wants to admit it

1177
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: or not, Melo was supposed to be here. I'm the

1178
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: one that told you that.

1179
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: And hold on.

1180
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: I also thought that Melo was supposed to join him

1181
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: with the Knicks at one point.

1182
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that wasn't it. Okay, they were

1183
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: supposed to join. They had made a pack. Yo, we

1184
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: going to negotiate our deeals in two thousand and seven

1185
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: to have an out after year three, so we have

1186
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: an option to be opt out and become free agents

1187
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: to go wherever we want to go. Melo was like, Yo,

1188
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: I'm from Baltimore. I ain't passing up that guaranteed money.

1189
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: Denver offered me five years. I'm gonna take the five years,

1190
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: which wouldn't make him a free agent.

1191
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: Until a couple of years later.

1192
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be d Wade, Lebron and Mello,

1193
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: but Mello locked himself into the cash in Denver and

1194
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: as a result, Bosh opted out, and because Bosh opted out,

1195
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: Bosh ended up going there with them, and Melo had

1196
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: to force his way out of Denver a year later,

1197
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 2: of Denver a year later to come to New York City.

1198
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: But had Melo kept the option, he had an option

1199
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: to get out in twenty ten, it was going to

1200
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: be Melo, Lebron and d Wade. Now they will tell Now,

1201
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never heard them admit it. I

1202
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: don't give a shit what they say. I'm telling you

1203
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: what I know. Melo, Lebron and d Wade they can't

1204
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: go on their shows. They go on their shows. They

1205
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: can talk whatever they want, they can tell whatever story

1206
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: they want.

1207
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 3: I'm the one that reported it. I'm the one that

1208
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: broke the story.

1209
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the intel that I received it was Mello,

1210
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: d Wade, Lebron and because Melo had opted out, had

1211
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: not opted out and took the five full years for

1212
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: eighty mil from Denver at that time, that's why didn't happen.

1213
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: And I got Mello on camera on my show quite

1214
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: frankly on ESBN two it at that time saying, Yo,

1215
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't walking away from the guaranteed dollars. Wow. Yeah,

1216
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: So it was never supposed to be bosh. Wow, it

1217
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: was supposed to be Mello. And now we sit here

1218
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: and looking at an illustrious career, a scoring machine, a

1219
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: future Hall of Famer in Carmelo Anthony, who's never won

1220
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: a championship. And we all know if that brother was

1221
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: with d Wayne and Lebron, he'd have had at least

1222
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: those two and probably three of the four. Because you

1223
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: can't convince me when Lebron And that's one of the

1224
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: reasons why, and I speculating in fairness to Lebron, Me

1225
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: and Lebron are respectful to one another. I got mad

1226
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: respect for him. Incredible role model, incredible play. I got

1227
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: him number two all time behind MJ is the greatest

1228
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: play in the history of basketball.

1229
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: All of that stuff, major major pross with him. But

1230
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: that's the biggest reason we don't fuck with each other.

1231
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: Because it was a chuk job against the Dallas Mevericks

1232
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: and I called it.

1233
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: I said, Yo, it's a joke job.

1234
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: You understand you can't have Jason Terry or JJ Brea

1235
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: guarding you in the fourth quarter. That's it excusable, you

1236
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: Lebron James.

1237
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: And that's what happened.

1238
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: Because he hadn't learned how to win yet to the

1239
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: degree that he that he did. And see when I

1240
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: think about measuring just to shift a little bit, if

1241
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: you don't mind, when I think about the goat, that

1242
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: is the ultimate reason why I have MJ over him. Statistically,

1243
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: that's fine. Hell with all of that, Jordan averaged over

1244
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 2: thirty about nine times, nine time defensive All Defensive NBA

1245
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: First Team, ten times scoring tacking we were talking about

1246
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: he went't he all at and played in a different

1247
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 2: area that was far more physical than it is now.

1248
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: The issue is this the road to prosperity matters. Think

1249
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: about what you have gone through in your life. You

1250
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: ain't talking about hip hop, talk about your life, the

1251
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: obstacles that you had to overcome to get to where

1252
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 2: you are. The greatness isn't measured by just your skill

1253
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: set and your success and where you landed you Jay Zu,

1254
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: l L you others. It's not that it's the road

1255
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: you travel. If you born with a silver spoon in

1256
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: your mouth thinking you hit a whole run when you

1257
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: started off on third base, that's entirely different than starting

1258
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: off from nothing and getting to where you are. And

1259
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: so what I'm saying is MJ had to do that

1260
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: with Lebron. The difference is, as MJ was climbing, you

1261
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: never looked at him and said, he's the reason y'all

1262
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: in win In that Dallas series, Lebron was the reason

1263
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: you didn't win the title the first year in Miami.

1264
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: You should have had three titles. You should have had

1265
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: the title against ok See, the title against San Antonio,

1266
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: the first title against Dallas. You should have had that.

1267
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: They had an agent, Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, JJ Brea Okay,

1268
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: Dirt Novitski of course was a superstar at that particular

1269
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: moment of time. We get that, but it wasn't Lebron,

1270
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: d Wade and bossing those brothers.

1271
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 3: If Lebron shows up in that.

1272
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: Series, and specifically in the fourth quarter, because first three

1273
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: quarters he was there. Specifically in the fourth quarter, we're

1274
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: talking about four consecutive fourth quarters of an NBA finals

1275
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: where there was an apbolt for your ass. Yo, yo,

1276
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: we just talking facts. Lebron.

1277
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,479
Speaker 3: I still have him number two all time.

1278
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: I still think that he's a great player, a great person,

1279
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: one of the great people. I mean, he's phenomenal. But

1280
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is that's on your resume

1281
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: when we look at Jordan where you didn't beat the

1282
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: Pistons because Scottie Pippen had that damn.

1283
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: Migraine in game seven against the Pistons.

1284
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying when you finally overcame the

1285
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: Pistons and you got to the finals. Although it was

1286
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: an agent magic and it was Lade Devak instead of

1287
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: Kareem and all of a sudden, you still smoked them

1288
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: in five, still smoked them in when Jordan switched hands

1289
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: in the mid in all that stuff and gave two

1290
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. You saw what the brother

1291
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: did to Drexler and Kersey and all of those brothers

1292
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: when he went against them in the second go round,

1293
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: third go round.

1294
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 3: It was Barkley with Kevin Johnson, Damn Marley, and.

1295
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: We saw that. We saw him retire, come back, come

1296
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: back in the second year with seventeen games left, lose

1297
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: in the playoffs against Nick Anderson and Dennis Scott and

1298
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: Shaquille and Harrast and we saw them carry Horras Grant

1299
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: as former teammate, off the court and the shoulders, and

1300
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: that brother went out and got robmin and the next

1301
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: year they took him out four straight, swept them, blew

1302
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: them out of the building. I mean there was an

1303
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: annihilation because Jordan and Pippen had you scared to dribble

1304
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: the ball because they were pressing you full court. It

1305
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: was unreal. We saw you beat GP and Sean Kemp.

1306
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: Remember Sean Camp. I'm not talking about Sean Clump. I'm

1307
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: talking about Sean saying, I'm talking about that brother. You

1308
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: beat him. We saw you beat Malone and Stock then

1309
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: not once, but twice. This is what we saw at

1310
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: what we saw him against Portland. Jordan against Portland and

1311
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: we saw him not look great in game six and

1312
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: Phil Jackson pulled him to the bench and the reserves

1313
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 2: came back on like a fifteen to two run or

1314
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: whatever it was. But we also saw Phil Jackson put

1315
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: his hands right back in that game to close. This

1316
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: is Jordan were talking about. You didn't see that lebron

1317
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: in that series against Dallas. My point in all of

1318
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: in saying all of that with the story is this,

1319
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: when we're measuring greatness, it's not about your resume.

1320
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 3: All of y'all got a resume.

1321
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: It's about moments and when those moments arrive, where you at,

1322
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: Who are you?

1323
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 3: Who are you now?

1324
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: If it's an aberration, and it's something that you've never

1325
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: done before you being asked to do it. That's different.

1326
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: But when you got a game that's hurt your leg,

1327
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: and it's that way throughout the regular season, throughout the first, second,

1328
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 2: third round, and then you get to the finals and

1329
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it evaporates, that's a problem. That's

1330
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: a problem because it's you not being able to do

1331
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: what you normally do when the moment arrives. This ain't

1332
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 2: stephen A choking with some damn first picture Yankee Stadium,

1333
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: when I never stepped on the mount on my.

1334
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: Damn life's on, I did I got I did.

1335
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: I made a business decision.

1336
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 3: I made a physics decision.

1337
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'm trying to get it over the plate. But

1338
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: when I'm not gonna do is bust my ass on

1339
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 2: national television on mount. I'm not doing that, all right.

1340
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: So I made a business decision. But I choked. This

1341
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: done over. But I've never been on a mound before.

1342
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: That's entirely different than me being on a mount all

1343
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 2: the time and I'm throwing strikes and then all of

1344
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: a sudden, the moment of rids and I can't find

1345
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: the strike zone.

1346
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 3: There's a difference. And I'm saying to you, we ain't.

1347
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: Never said that about MJ, and that is why MJ

1348
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 2: has got status amongst those of us who know.

1349
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: Like, I watched Gilbert Arena say that he thinks the

1350
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: NBA got soft because the Europeans.

1351
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I thought it was an interesting take.

1352
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 2: Gilbert knows basketball, and I respect the hell out of Gilbert.

1353
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: Never I never looked at it like and he said,

1354
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: he said, they don't play defense, right, they just want

1355
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: to shoot jumps yet, right, So that's what made it

1356
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: a soft.

1357
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna say that because monod Genoblei played defense

1358
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: min Ad. You know, Rudy Gobert is a three time

1359
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 2: defensive player the year. That brother ain't from the States.

1360
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: I mean, you got European players that play defense, not

1361
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 2: all of them, not all of the but he's right

1362
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 2: for the most part in terms of how they change

1363
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: the complexion of the game. But understand why they changed

1364
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: the complexion of the game. If we're gonna be listening, man,

1365
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: we're gonn here on drink champ. It's the brothers fault.

1366
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 2: It's the brother's fault. Let me tell you how the

1367
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: NBA is a business. They about making money. You make

1368
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: money is sports when you make your product attractive to

1369
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: the masses. So you got the bad boy Pistons right,

1370
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 2: very physical game. NBA wanted to take that out. They

1371
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: thought they were successful. Then Raleigh went out and had Oakley,

1372
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: you wing Mason. You see what I'm saying, Catholic and

1373
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 2: even at the guard part either that, don't say no,

1374
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: damn Charles Smith. Don't get me started with its five

1375
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 2: Miss Labs don't want.

1376
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 3: To hear that.

1377
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: We ain't going that route. But what I'm saying is

1378
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: for what I'm saying is is that when you have

1379
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: that right. So you got these rough riders, okay, and

1380
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: if you remember, you remember this, you appreciate you gonna

1381
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 2: get me a high five on this one or for

1382
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: Mace or four Oakley Kim Banister, remember that brother we're

1383
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: talking about that brother, got that brother straight off the streets,

1384
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 2: straight off the streets. I mean, he was like, I'm

1385
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 2: gonna said, you're entertained. It was doing case of comedy

1386
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 2: and he was joking around and that you can't have

1387
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: a black person in hockey. They'll just beating around. That

1388
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: was Banister. He was that kind of dude, right, So

1389
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: Roles was like that to me.

1390
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm saying he Banister.

1391
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: Preceded him, as my point, and then you don't forget

1392
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 2: Zavie mc daniel.

1393
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: Don't get him right now on.

1394
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: Scarre nobody rough riders, right, So what did Riley do?

1395
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 3: Riley said.

1396
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: He ain't got the talent to be we ain't got

1397
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: the talent to beat Chicago. But if we get enough

1398
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: dudes that could snatch their heart, we could get them.

1399
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: And obviously you couldn't do that to m J. But

1400
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: that's the only reason you couldn't do it to them,

1401
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: because they were giving Scottie Pippen in the Those Cats nightmare.

1402
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. So my point is as

1403
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 2: the game evolved the NBA, particularly with the Dream Team,

1404
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: the original Dream Team in Barcelona, you're seeing all of this,

1405
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: and as the game evolved, you saw what attracted the

1406
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 2: global market to the sport.

1407
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 3: That wasn't gonna do it.

1408
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 2: You want to see shooters, you want to see a

1409
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: more uptempo style, You wanted to see more for ness

1410
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: because it ensured the likelihood of those players being on

1411
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: the court more when it counted than if you allow

1412
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: the level of physicality to dominate the game that could

1413
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: compromise cats. A perfect example is, let's look at Steph Curry.

1414
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 2: I think that Steph Curvey is the greatest shooter God

1415
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 2: ever created. I've had Hall of Fame easy, Okay, as

1416
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: great as a Ray Allen was. Any shooter that tells

1417
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: you that they were a better shooter than Steph Curry,

1418
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: bitchlapping them thrown off the show. Just get rid of it.

1419
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: Just get rid of just get rid of them.

1420
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: They're not being honest.

1421
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: There is no shooter in the history of the game

1422
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 2: better than Steph Curry. Because you had spot up shooters,

1423
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 2: you had catch in shooters, you had shooters that had

1424
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: their favorite spot, right wing, left wing, top of the key,

1425
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: twenty one feet, twenty three feet, twenty five feet. Steph

1426
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: Curry there is no spot, nor is there any range

1427
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: that he can't touch. Do you realize with Steph Curry

1428
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 2: you literally have to keep your head on the swovel

1429
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: from the moment he steps past half court. He can

1430
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 2: pull up from forty He's that lethal. There has never

1431
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,879
Speaker 2: been anything like him. But I've had Hall of Famers,

1432
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: hall of famers tell me he wouldn't average twenty a

1433
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: game if he was playing an I era and I

1434
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: said what magic, I said what. But they weren't disrespecting him.

1435
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: What they were saying was the game was so physical.

1436
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 2: We could get away with hitting his helphet. We could

1437
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: get away with tripping them. We could get away when

1438
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 2: he's running through those pics, giving him, giving him some wood.

1439
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: We could do that.

1440
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: You can't do that now.

1441
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: And because you can't do that now, it would have

1442
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 2: compromised them. What is the one thing that has compromised

1443
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: Steph Curry? Particularly earlier in his career, he had those

1444
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 2: ankle injuries and those ankle injuries, those ankle injuries, Man,

1445
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 2: they would have stepped on his foot as he was

1446
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 2: walking through screens on purpose, just stepped on his foot.

1447
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: How are you gonna catch the view the referee? There's

1448
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: an accident, you know. And listen, you had Lawrence Taylor

1449
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 2: in football later on in life admitting, man, he was

1450
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: sent prostitutes to the hotel room to the night before

1451
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 2: the game for opponents. Your crazy stuff like that. I'm

1452
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: just using that. I'm just using that as an example.

1453
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: I'm using that as an example to high like back

1454
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: in the day, the extent they would go to to

1455
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:11,839
Speaker 2: derail an opponent. I know certain superstars one of the things.

1456
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 3: They love to do.

1457
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: See these are these And this is when I say,

1458
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: when I can't say everything right, I'm no superstars. They were,

1459
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: in fairness to them, they were single, they weren't married.

1460
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 2: They would literally go to go after your girl just

1461
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: to mess with you before they played you, and then

1462
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 2: step out on the court and bust your living ass.

1463
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 2: And they said, just to demoralize you, gonna let you

1464
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: know worship you can't mess with me. And literally when

1465
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 2: they're doing that, you might go home thinking you ain't

1466
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 2: the man he is, and other departments after he gets

1467
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 2: after they get through with you. And they did it

1468
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 2: on purpose. I'm just telling you. These are the stories

1469
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm telling you they told me. I'm like, I'm like,

1470
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: I ain't making up, yo, this is what happened. No one.

1471
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: I would never tell who. But I'm just saying to

1472
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: you those kind of things. So when I'm covering the game,

1473
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,839
Speaker 2: I'm bringing all of this up here to the equation.

1474
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 2: I sit up there and say, stay off the weed, right,

1475
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about brothers that he ain't costing you money?

1476
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 2: How I got family members been smoking weed all their life.

1477
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 2: You understand I'm saying, depending on whose relatives, how I

1478
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 2: go to, I might get a contact. You know what

1479
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I mean, come on, y'all, I'm like, I'm

1480
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 2: not talking about somebody, not for the week. I'm talking

1481
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: about when it's compromising your dollars, because you're gonna get

1482
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: you're gonna get fined, you're gonna get suspended.

1483
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 3: Don't let it mess with your money.

1484
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,839
Speaker 2: Back in the day, when I was covering the sport,

1485
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 2: we sat courtside. We had the score his table, so

1486
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 2: when you're playing, you're checking in, you have to walk

1487
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: right by us. I saw Larry Brown one day and

1488
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 2: this was not Iverson, it was not Cyrus. I saw

1489
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: Larry Brown one day look at a player three down,

1490
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 2: three down. The player was right in front of me.

1491
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: He went like the huh. I threw up my paper

1492
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 2: and just walked away. And my for god, he ain't

1493
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: gonna do nothing tonight. I'm like, I'm sitting there. I'm

1494
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 2: sitting there right now, ladies and gentlemen. That was when

1495
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 2: weed wasn't legal in twenty six, twenty seven, twenty six,

1496
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 2: twenty I don't care step out. You know what I'm saying.

1497
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: But I mean that was when we wasn't legal in

1498
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: twenty six to twenty seven states without diming anybody. Right,

1499
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: how much weed you think is being smoke before games? Now?

1500
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think they're gonna I talked about and

1501
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 2: any sport you pick, and oh, by the way, and

1502
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: by the way, all you gotta do is look at them.

1503
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there like like you

1504
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 2: you really mad when you see me on first take

1505
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 2: and I'm like this, damn or I'm like this.

1506
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:09,839
Speaker 3: I'm like this because I'm.

1507
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: Not saying stay off the weed to any specific person

1508
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 2: to dimond mouth, because I wouldn't do that. But I'm

1509
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 2: sitting there looking at them. He had a problem last night.

1510
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 2: He ain't seemed like himself. You know what I'm saying,

1511
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: You mad?

1512
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 4: You mad?

1513
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 3: But jass walk up to the scorer's table walling.

1514
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I'm like and and that's

1515
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: why when I'm watching cats with their podcasts and all

1516
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: of this other stuff. See, you got people in the

1517
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 2: media and other places pistol off because you're looking at

1518
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: players and you're like, what they trying to do.

1519
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 3: Is they trying to etch out the media?

1520
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: You just rely on us.

1521
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 3: You ain't got to talk to them. Oh no, no, no,

1522
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 3: no no, I say, y'all looking at.

1523
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: It all wrong. I want all of them to have

1524
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 2: their their podcast, all of them to have their voice,

1525
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 2: because they're gonna talk. And when they're gonna talk, I'm

1526
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 2: gonna have news to talk about because I'm I'm watching.

1527
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 2: You can talk all you want to. You still got

1528
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: to play. I'm looking at you. You told the stuff

1529
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: you want. I'm looking at you.

1530
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: I saw what your ass did.

1531
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 2: I saw you roll up in the game. I saw

1532
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: you well enough, whether it's me in person or the

1533
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: camera angle zoom and it on you. I saw how

1534
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: blood shot your eyes was. I saw how you look

1535
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: like you could barely open that. I'm watching you move.

1536
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 2: I'm watching you move. I even went to the doctor

1537
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: the other day, man.

1538
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 3: And I asked him.

1539
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, because it's this cat that that

1540
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 2: I talked to for like ten X health, Gary Breck.

1541
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 2: I got him on my podcast now because I made

1542
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 2: a tremendous health change because I was really in bad

1543
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 2: shape a couple you know, a year and a half ago,

1544
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 2: and stuff like that really resonmerect in my health. I'm

1545
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 2: feeling better than I felt like thirty years right. So

1546
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: I go to him, thank you, and I went to

1547
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: him man, I.

1548
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 3: Said, let me ask you a question.

1549
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 2: Scientifically. Could you give the breakdown of weed and tell

1550
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 2: me what kind of effect it has on people? And why?

1551
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 2: Go to the podcast stephen A. Smithchelle on you too,

1552
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 2: and he'll break it down. You ain't gonna have no problem.

1553
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna have no problem. None of y'all ain't

1554
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 2: gonna have no problem. But when he said what he says,

1555
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna ask yourself, should them brothers be doing that?

1556
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: If they gotta play, they gotta play it, probably because.

1557
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: You gotta remember, calms your mood, mellows you out, helps

1558
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 2: you sleep, et cetera, et cetera. You know what it

1559
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 2: doesn't do. It doesn't elevate your level of urgency. So

1560
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: let's say, for example, you going against Kobe, who wasn't

1561
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: doing that, or you're going against Jordan to somebody like

1562
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 2: that who wasn't doing that. Now right right, and you

1563
01:20:54,680 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 2: mellow and they killers, what chance do you have? You

1564
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: have no chance because there's a level of urgency that

1565
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: they feel. You get the check, you.

1566
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 3: Get in the bag, and on top of it all,

1567
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 3: you know, everybody know you can ball, so you ain't

1568
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 3: no scrub.

1569
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 2: But did you win? See that's where Steven Ay comes in,

1570
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: because that's me like, yeah, dog, I know why the

1571
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: hell you lost? I know what you didn't do. You

1572
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, and I'm not I might be

1573
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 2: talking about them, but I'm not talking to them. I'm

1574
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: talking about that audience out there to say, let them

1575
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: talk that shit they want to. I'm telling you you

1576
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: gotta hold them more accountable than that. You can't always win,

1577
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: but you gotta be able to look at any professional and.

1578
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 3: Go like this, did you do all it them to win?

1579
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 2: Because as a Nick fan, if a Nick walked in

1580
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: here and looked you in your face, yeah man, you know, yeah,

1581
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 2: you know he tried to win, you know, but ship happened.

1582
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: Ain't no big dead. You're gonna be like this. I

1583
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 2: don't like you, gonna be like this. I don't like

1584
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 2: give like, I don't like I don't like you. I

1585
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: don't like him because you're like, wait a minute, it

1586
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 2: ain't non schalm, it ain't blase what you mean. That's

1587
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 2: how you gonna feel that's me.

1588
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: Let me ask me, let me change the subject a

1589
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's still on the same subject. Do

1590
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: you think Lebron is a victim of his circumstances, because,

1591
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: like you said, the league has changed, right, So a

1592
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: lot of people accused of Lebron not having killer instinct, right,

1593
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 1: But when I look at youngsters who only have like

1594
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: me me personally, was here what I was about to say, Well,

1595
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: she was here. He had T and T shirt jacket on.

1596
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: But to me, and I know you could debate me.

1597
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: I know this clearly of people who could debate me

1598
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: what I'm about to say right now, sure me, I

1599
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 1: think Floyd Mayweather is the best box of all times, Okay,

1600
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: because I've seen.

1601
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 3: Clearly the best defensive box of all time without Okay,

1602
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 3: I agree to both.

1603
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 1: But I've seen all of his fights, right, So have

1604
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: I missed some of I missed all of Ali's, I

1605
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: came a little late. I missed even some of Tyson's.

1606
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: But I see all of Floyd. Maybe ironically, the only

1607
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: fights I didn't see is his exhibitions.

1608
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 3: I can't stand it.

1609
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 2: I love him.

1610
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: I love him too much for his for his legacy

1611
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: on the line, but is Lebron? Is Lebron a victim

1612
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: of his circumstances? Meaning, could you think Lebron could have

1613
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,440
Speaker 1: survived in the Kobe Jordan.

1614
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: Era survive, yes, prosper I'm not so sure. Allow me

1615
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 2: to explain.

1616
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 3: I would like it.

1617
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 2: Let me explain I would like And before I answer

1618
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 2: that question, let me say this. Let's not forget Sugar

1619
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 2: Ray Leonard. That's right, Let's not forget wi Fredo Benitez.

1620
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: It's a bad brother. Let's not forget Salvador Sanchez who

1621
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 2: died in the plane crash.

1622
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 3: I forget to come on, no, no, no, we can

1623
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: forget him.

1624
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: We can forget now. He went on that level. Hector

1625
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 2: Camacho was nice, but he went on that level. Okay,

1626
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 2: I'm giving you dudes, that was on that level. I

1627
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: would say Aaron Pryor, but he but he took too

1628
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: many many punches. He just he'd just take you out.

1629
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: That had the gloves.

1630
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but I know what I know,

1631
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: I know they would he be a Lexus of Guilo,

1632
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: a Lexus Aguilo. They were talking about.

1633
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 3: Give him the stuff, give him the stuff.

1634
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell of stuff was, right, there.

1635
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 2: I don't remember remember that, But let me tell you

1636
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: why I answered the Lebron James question that way, because

1637
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: that's a great question that you asked, and everybody need

1638
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 2: to understand this. Just like I talked about moments, you

1639
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: got to talk about competition. So when we're talking about competition,

1640
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 2: right then it has to be something along the lines

1641
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,799
Speaker 2: of what would have happened had you gone against those people?

1642
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: Feel me, when Lebron was struggling to develop the killer

1643
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 2: instinct that ultimately was in him and he was able

1644
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: to conquer to ultimately beat a young OKC team after

1645
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: he had beating Boston to get, you know, to the

1646
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: finals and all this other stuff right in the enda.

1647
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Actually too, what I'm saying to you is that while

1648
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: you were learning how to win, would Jordan have ever

1649
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 2: let you learn?

1650
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 3: See, here's what you have to understand.

1651
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan is six and oh in NBA Final Series,

1652
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 2: MVP of every single NBA Final Series, incredible who never

1653
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 2: allowed series to get the game seven, not one time,

1654
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 2: not one time. And so when you say to me,

1655
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: Lebron playing in that Jordan era a threat to MJ

1656
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 2: then what we have to ask ourselves is how would

1657
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: MJ have responded to a perceived threat. You don't get

1658
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: to dismiss that. You gotta absorb that. You gotta absorb.

1659
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 2: I they saying, yo, ass can take me out. There

1660
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: are people saying that to Michael Jordan. How would he

1661
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 2: have responded? And I'm telling you, I believe because of

1662
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 2: what I saw from Lebron in that fourth in the

1663
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,759
Speaker 2: fourth quarters of those of that series against the Dallas Mavericks,

1664
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 2: right that Michael Jordan would have never allowed him to

1665
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 2: find out what it was to win.

1666
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's the difference. And so when

1667
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 3: people talk to.

1668
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, Lebron's an ultra talent and Lebron and MJ

1669
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: was a six ' nine to sixteen, But my resorters, well,

1670
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 2: Lebron is six nine to sixteen and still lost six

1671
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: NBA finals. He didn't lose six, even at ten, but

1672
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 2: he lost six. You had Boston in his way when

1673
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: he was younger, Mam Jay. You had Detroit in his

1674
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: way when he got older. Lebron had Indiana with Paul

1675
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 2: George and Rick Smith's you know, and shit like that.

1676
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 2: We were yeah, I'm not even saying Rick Smith's but

1677
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 2: but but but Paul George and the crew. I'm sorry, Uh,

1678
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: Roy Herbrick, That's right, Roy Herbrick, Okay, And I like Roy,

1679
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 2: but I'm saying this. You had that kind of stuff.

1680
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 2: You ain't have Boston with Bird Michel parish age, and

1681
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 2: you ain't have Isaya du Mars fit need a micro

1682
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 2: wave coming off the bench, Sally Lambard. I mean, what

1683
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: what you ain't had that you ain't had? That you

1684
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: had you had you had Indiana early, Toronto late with

1685
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry.

1686
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 3: Much respected both, much respect to both.

1687
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 2: But that's what you had. You didn't have those obstacles.

1688
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: That is how I look at it, and that is

1689
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 2: why Lebron James will never be my goat ever. It

1690
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: will always be Michael Jordan over him. But mad respect

1691
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 2: to him. He's on the Mount Rushmore basketball, incredible role

1692
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 2: model on this day and age, social media beyond. He's incredible.

1693
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 2: He just ain't MJ.

1694
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Is it possible, And I know this is going to

1695
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: sound like a cliche type of question, Is it possible

1696
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: that Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Lebron is all some

1697
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: of the greatest of all time?

1698
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: Sure?

1699
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 3: But when you compare it to each other then.

1700
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: And that's why I get pissed because of the sensitivity.

1701
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: Like I've said to Lebron teams, the Rich Paul and

1702
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 2: the Maverick Carters of the world and others.

1703
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 3: I remember I said to.

1704
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 2: Rich Paul, you act like it's an insult to call

1705
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: him the second greatest player of all time.

1706
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 3: Rich Paul said, it isn't in I can't talk to you.

1707
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 2: I can't talk to you.

1708
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1709
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I ain't talking to you.

1710
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm not wasting my.

1711
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 3: Time to beat above Kobe, which is very side.

1712
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 2: But the reason why is because Lebron played the dec

1713
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: he Kobe is number two to MJ playing the identical

1714
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: position with the identical style. And so my point is,

1715
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Lebron and thinking about the point forward

1716
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 2: that you are, you know, a Magic Johnson type who

1717
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 2: can still put up twenty seven a night in your career, rebounds,

1718
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 2: assist playmaking ability, scoring ability, and at one time was

1719
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 2: an elite defender for at least one year.

1720
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 3: And so when I'm looking at all of those things.

1721
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: That is what I put over Kobe because he facilitated

1722
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 2: winning to a graded to an even greater degree in

1723
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 2: the visually as Kobe did. In terms of making your

1724
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 2: teammates better. Kobe was just an assassin, and so as

1725
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,879
Speaker 2: a result, he emulated Michael, and he was the closest

1726
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 2: to Michael in that regard, but he was still number

1727
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 2: two at the same position.

1728
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 3: I'm going to give Labar respect. Well, I have no

1729
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 3: idea me neither. Keep you going. I have no idea.

1730
01:30:49,000 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 2: That's all right, that's Kobe or somebody a TV ahead

1731
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 2: as long wasn't hit me anyway. So anyway, it was like,

1732
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 2: that's the only difference. That's the disquade that you know.

1733
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 2: That's the nugget that I'm picking apart. That's it.

1734
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 3: Okay, that was That was a great fucking ass.

1735
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: That was a great the flowers, Yes, Stephen A our show.

1736
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: It's about giving the flowers to the people. I want

1737
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: to tell you how much I watched you so much

1738
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: that there's been times I got busy and I knew

1739
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 1: that it was okay not to watch the game because

1740
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna cover it in the morning. And I enjoy

1741
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: sometimes watching you covering the game more than actually watching

1742
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: the actual game. You know what, I mean, because like

1743
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 1: you'll break it down and you're very very fair, you like,

1744
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: but you're very firm. If a player has that two

1745
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,080
Speaker 1: for eleven night, call it, you call it. So we

1746
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: wanted to face the face man, the man give you

1747
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: your flowers. Snoop Dogg said, is better than a Grammy

1748
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: because it comes from his people. And we want to

1749
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: give you. But you know how great you are. I'm

1750
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna be honest in case you I know you know this,

1751
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: but in case you don't know. You change the way

1752
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: we watch sports, We change the way that that that

1753
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: we articulate sports and we understand sports. And in case

1754
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: anyone never told you, that's who you are, you are

1755
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: you are go, I said in the intro, and I

1756
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: mean that I appreciate you.

1757
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.

1758
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 1: I mean you and you continuing to be great. You're

1759
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: here losing weight, doing you running around. We love, we

1760
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 1: respect you. Wanted to give your flowers, man, because you sincerely,

1761
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: one million percent deserve your props every single days.

1762
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1763
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: When people talk about you, I know why they talk

1764
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: about you because you're that You're that guy.

1765
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 3: And we want to tell you how much we appreciate

1766
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 3: y'all thanks, Yeah, doing quick time?

1767
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, all right, cool. You want to bring

1768
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: in Sonny deal, Yeah, bring there, there, there there, come on.

1769
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: This is the United Nations of this United Nations. We

1770
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: got a whole type of races here.

1771
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 2: I like it. They're talking about whatever y'all want.

1772
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 3: Yes, so all right, you want to play him the game.

1773
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 2: So now, this is a drinking game that we play.

1774
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 3: And I ain't no drinking.

1775
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: You know, I'm taking a little bit to you can

1776
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: you can have a designated drinker like as for the shots.

1777
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 4: So we're gonna give you two choices. If you pick one,

1778
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 4: no drinking. But if you say both are neither the

1779
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 4: politically correct answer. We all drink, got all.

1780
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 1: Of us, right, Yeah, we don't leave you cold, all right,

1781
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:50,560
Speaker 1: So I can't wait for this.

1782
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 4: And then if you have any stories to go behind

1783
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 4: any of the names, always things that we bring up.

1784
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 3: Okay, please please dive in.

1785
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 2: No problem, no problem.

1786
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm glad of this first question.

1787
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 2: She bringing my drink. You're gonna do this first question

1788
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 2: so much.

1789
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 3: You can do like shots, you don't have to go great,

1790
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 3: well they said, I can sip on this drive, all right?

1791
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 3: By the way.

1792
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, these people who are about the name.

1793
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: It's making hip hop so exciting right now, right, I

1794
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,719
Speaker 1: don't necessarily at all. I don't at all co sign

1795
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: any any brothers beefing. I don't co sign that we shouldn't.

1796
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 1: But no sign competition, right, I don't compet I don't

1797
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: co sign drama. But if if me and you're gonna

1798
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: go in the booth together and all go separately, and

1799
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to take your hands.

1800
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 2: You should listen when Kendrick Drake j Cole Lol, I'm

1801
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 2: gotten that. The other day, all I said was, Yo,

1802
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 2: we grew up. The hip hop industry was born from

1803
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 2: that foundation. That the foundation of it, right you know.

1804
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: So that's the first question I gotta ask, is Drake

1805
01:34:58,720 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 1: or Kendrick Lamar?

1806
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 3: Damn such the ball?

1807
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 2: First of all, major props to both of them, Yes,

1808
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 2: both for them and by the way, and by the way,

1809
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:11,640
Speaker 2: as an aside, Kendrick Lamar did a hell of a

1810
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 2: job acting in power. Oh yeah, yes, he was phenomenal.

1811
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 3: He was phenomenal. He was I mean, he was it

1812
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 3: was special. I'm gonna go with Drake.

1813
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: Because even though everybody knows Kendrick Lamar and knows how

1814
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 2: gifted he is. You got too many people periodically trying

1815
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 2: to trying to come at Drake, and he's always standing.

1816
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 3: Like mainstream globally. I mean, he's one of those dudes.

1817
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 2: It could be the look, it could be how he communicates,

1818
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 2: it could be his flavor, it could be anything, but Drake,

1819
01:35:55,200 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 2: damn near seems impenetrable. And what I take from Drake

1820
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 2: is I don't hear too many people coming at Kendrick Lamar.

1821
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody really, I don't. But everybody always trying to come.

1822
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 2: They drink. That's fact, and obviously I can relate to that. Right,

1823
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say, Drake, okay, Okay that I'm gonna say,

1824
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 2: Drake okay.

1825
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 3: Does that mean I need to take a sip?

1826
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 2: No?

1827
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you don't got to drink? Yeah, Jordan

1828
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 3: or Lebron.

1829
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 2: Jordan, I was gonna switch it up.

1830
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 3: There's nothing to talk about it, there's nothing.

1831
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: You don't even would have been.

1832
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 3: No, I'm not gonna say because i'ma switch it up.

1833
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, okay, okay, you in or.

1834
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 2: Damn, I gotta go with the dream a keem O

1835
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 2: Lodge one I mean he did beat him in the finals.

1836
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,560
Speaker 2: He did bust his ass while he beat him in

1837
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 2: the finals. He was the league MVP. He wasn't inn

1838
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 2: be a finally, I mean a game to dream of

1839
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Lodge one, of something spectacular, I mean the dream shaking,

1840
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 2: the whole nine. You gotta go with the chem to

1841
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 2: dream of Lodge one. I respect you and appreciate him,

1842
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 2: love him, But he wasn't a chem o lodge one.

1843
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 2: Any smith of your hood feeling good about itself, right, yeah, yes, Ham,

1844
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 2: Craig Elo, Robert Orby and all of those brothers.

1845
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 3: Yet at nas or jay Z jay Z.

1846
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 2: Now let me say this about let me I'll be

1847
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 2: quick with it, because somebody asked me the other day

1848
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 2: and I picked them in them over Nas I'm thinking about.

1849
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 2: I know Nas is special. I'm not trying to dismiss him.

1850
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 2: He's phenomenal, but we appreciate him. I got to take

1851
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 2: into account how much you appreciated the world over, regardless

1852
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 2: of communities, regardless of ethnicities, regardless of your heritage, where

1853
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 2: your locale is, whatever.

1854
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,959
Speaker 3: I got to take all of those.

1855
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 2: Things into consideration. And obviously Eminem is something spectacular. Plus

1856
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 2: he's white, and he's spectacular, and you got brothers standing

1857
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 2: down against him because they know how spectacular he is. Now,

1858
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,720
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean Nas is doing it. Because Nas is

1859
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: phenomenal in his own right, then we can't ignore that.

1860
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 2: But in the flip side to it is that I

1861
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 2: gotta acknowledge that when you talk about jay Z, I

1862
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 2: mean we're talking about somebody that I consider to be

1863
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time.

1864
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 3: And when you when you talk about jay Z, do

1865
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 3: you know what you have to do?

1866
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to bring up Tupac and Biggie God

1867
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 2: rest their souls and what they would have been if

1868
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 2: they were still alive. To conquer jay Z. You don't have.

1869
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 2: You don't have a living creature in the hip hop

1870
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 2: game that you say definitively eclipses jay Z. You just

1871
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 2: don't have it.

1872
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 1: But let me let me reiterate what you were saying earlier.

1873
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 1: I think jay Z's a victim to his circumstances as well,

1874
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,719
Speaker 1: because the rap game is really, really foul when Biggie

1875
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: and Pop's going at it, and after Biggie and Pox's lost,

1876
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the lebron.

1877
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 3: From the standpoint of what the.

1878
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Standpoint the emergence of jay Z is from wasn't as

1879
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: hard core.

1880
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that's why I brought up

1881
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 2: You got to bring up Biggie Tupac, right.

1882
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 3: I said, I said, because when you asked me that.

1883
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 2: Question, I'm thinking about living rappers and all that other

1884
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 2: and that you asked me if Biggie or Tupac could

1885
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 2: have been jay Z, I'd say yeah, A lot of

1886
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 2: people I'd say, yeah, they couldn't. That's a voidant not now. Now,

1887
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 2: to me, Biggie would have been that dude to rival

1888
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 2: jay Z. Tupac to me, as brilliant as he was

1889
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: as an artist, he was just as potent and profound

1890
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 2: as an activist.

1891
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 3: So because of that, I mean, when you go back,

1892
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 3: he's multi.

1893
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean, when you go back, when I think about

1894
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 2: myself some of the positions that I've taken some of

1895
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean, because you know, you talk about me, I'm

1896
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 2: communicating sports, but I'm also talking politics.

1897
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm talking I'm talking a lot of different things.

1898
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 2: And when you if you really really paid attention to

1899
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:07,440
Speaker 2: what I have to go up against and the platforms

1900
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 2: that I'm on, having to know, I got to deal

1901
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 2: with corporate America in the streets, and I got to

1902
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 2: do all of that. I think about not comparing myself

1903
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,560
Speaker 2: in any way, but I think about Tupac as a

1904
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 2: not as a comp not as something to compare to.

1905
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:27,879
Speaker 2: But I think about him as someone that I'm marveled

1906
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:32,759
Speaker 2: at because when he stood before anybody and like literally

1907
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 2: spoke his mind, no matter what the subject was, you

1908
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 2: was transfixed. You had to stand at attention and really

1909
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 2: really listen, even if you are disagreed. And I've seen

1910
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 2: reporters and commentators and others disagree with him, but you

1911
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 2: have to shut the hell up and listen because what

1912
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 2: the brother had to say was deep and a lot

1913
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 2: of times I'll get on cats, you know what I

1914
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 2: mean like this. You know, one of the things is

1915
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,919
Speaker 2: a pet peeve of mind from us in our community

1916
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 2: when we're like, yeah, you on, you know what I mean?

1917
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 3: Know the fuck I don't you just speak yad, I

1918
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 3: don't know what you mean?

1919
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 2: Say it first. Now follow that up. I say, you

1920
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You can't say it before you

1921
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I mean, you in the business

1922
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 2: that you know, you're out here trying to make paper,

1923
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 2: you trying to make some money. You know, you're talking

1924
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,559
Speaker 2: business with somebody, You got to roll up on them

1925
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 2: and speak fluently. You got to know how to communicate

1926
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 2: in a fashion that will resonate with them, to sell

1927
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 2: yourself on the opportunity.

1928
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 3: You're trying to get them to embrace with you.

1929
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 2: How are you doing that? Yeah? Man, you know you

1930
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You know, I'm just trying to

1931
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,719
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean. No, I don't

1932
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 2: please say yeah, and that drives me crazy. Say it first,

1933
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 2: and then if you followed it up with you know

1934
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 2: what I mean? Yeah, I do know what you mean.

1935
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 4: I got it.

1936
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's why I mean, we do.

1937
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 3: We make exceptions time.

1938
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 2: But sleepy Joe all crazy Trump, I mean, why do

1939
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 2: you have to give those words. I ain't gonna lie

1940
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 2: to you. Man, Listen, I've been on but let me

1941
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,640
Speaker 2: be totally honest. Because we got we we got, we

1942
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: got the streets watching. I'm not a fan of Trump

1943
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 2: because I don't like the way he acts. I'm not

1944
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 2: in disagreement with all his policies. When I see cats

1945
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 2: out here acting up in the streets, y'all lucky, I

1946
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 2: ain't president oh, this ship would be on the getting.

1947
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 2: We're not gonna let you get in the way of

1948
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 2: business because business messages with everybody's money. We can't be

1949
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: in Cali and they letting three people in the stores

1950
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: at the time because they scared you.

1951
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 3: We can't start that.

1952
01:42:56,240 --> 01:43:00,599
Speaker 2: We can't. We can't have the National Guard in the subway.

1953
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 2: We can't have we can't have cats assaulting people on

1954
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 2: the streets and getting out of jail the same day.

1955
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 2: We can'ts My bodyguard is Dominican. I got family, I

1956
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:22,719
Speaker 2: got family members. My family is from Saint Thomas, Virgin

1957
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,640
Speaker 2: Island's Antigua, Saint Croix, stuff like that West Indies, and

1958
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 2: I got relatives from Puerto Rico.

1959
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 1: I got.

1960
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 3: I got Puerto Ricans in my family career.

1961
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 2: So I'm saying all of that to say I would

1962
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 2: never want anybody to say that I don't support immigrants,

1963
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 2: because I do. But you got a whole bunch of

1964
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 2: immigrants that are in this country that are telling people

1965
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 2: like me we have to stand in line. How the

1966
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 2: hell you don't have to stand in line, and how

1967
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 2: seven and a half million plus immigrants illegal immigrants coming

1968
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 2: now understand what we mean by illegal immigrants. That means

1969
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 2: you're coming into the country, you're undocumented, so they don't

1970
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 2: know when to find your where to find your ass

1971
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 2: when it's time to pay taxes. But you're pooling some

1972
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 2: of our resources and so as a result, what happens

1973
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 2: is is that the American taxpayer has to come out

1974
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 2: of pocket extra to pay for you who came over

1975
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 2: to the country illegally. Ain't got a problem with you

1976
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 2: coming here, but we gonna know where you at, where

1977
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 2: you at with your address, phone number, all that you're

1978
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 2: gonna pay security exactly. And so when you have that

1979
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 2: going on, and you got a president like Joe Biden

1980
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 2: that's acting like it in a crisis, then I got

1981
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 2: to take history into consideration. And I was on a

1982
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: podcast Patrick Bett David just the other day and he

1983
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,560
Speaker 2: brought this up, and he was absolutely right. So John F.

1984
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 2: Kennedy gets assassinated in nineteen sixty three and Linda B.

1985
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 2: Johnson takes over the presidency because John jfk Is dead,

1986
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 2: and you had a bipar artisan group of Republican senators

1987
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 2: and Democrats, Dixiecrats whatever, bringing legislation to the deaks for

1988
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 2: civil rights legislation.

1989
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 3: When he signed it in the law.

1990
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:16,719
Speaker 2: He said, they uppitty, these blacks are upty, they're feeling themselves.

1991
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 2: Blah blah, blah blah blah. He said, we gotta do this.

1992
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 3: We gotta give a little.

1993
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 2: We can't give them too much, but we got to

1994
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 2: give them a little, because if we give them a little,

1995
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 2: we'll have this. We'll have the negroes voting for us

1996
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 2: for the next two hundred years. That was his quote, right.

1997
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 2: So now fast forward to the year twenty twenty four.

1998
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 2: You can't tell me that this immigration quote unquote crisis

1999
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 2: isn't being utilized for one party or another to benefit

2000
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 2: from it. Politicians been using us forever, they may manipulating

2001
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 2: us forever. And so when I'm looking at that, I'm

2002
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 2: looking at the Democratic Party just letting cats in understanding

2003
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 2: the mayhem that's in the streets and basically facilitating it

2004
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 2: instead of addressing it with the further that it deserves. Though, Bro,

2005
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 2: you remember this, just a few weeks ago, fifty three

2006
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 2: million dollars in pre paid credit cards for legal immigrants.

2007
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 2: You know how many times black people have been looking

2008
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 2: for prepaid credit cards reparations and every day, But you

2009
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 2: ain't having it for US, but you got fifty three

2010
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 2: million and prepaid credit cards for cats.

2011
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 3: It ain't even citizens in this country.

2012
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 2: Yo, I don't like that even so again, exactly, it's billions, billions, billions.

2013
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 2: But the wholenesses you can't address Israel Harmas. I don't

2014
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 2: say Israel Palestinians, because we know that the Palestinians are

2015
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 2: a lot of them are innocent in terms of what's transpiring.

2016
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 2: But Harmas the terrorist group, and of course Israel they

2017
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 2: going at it and all of this other stuff. I

2018
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 2: don't get involved in all of that. But what I'm

2019
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 2: saying is you funneling money to Israel, you funneling money

2020
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 2: to the Ukraine. You follow them, the funneling prepaid credit

2021
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:51,879
Speaker 2: cards to illegal immigrants.

2022
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 3: But black people all behind the eight ball.

2023
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 2: And so for me, I'm no officientad with politics, but

2024
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm practical. I'm intelligent enough to know what I'm reading,

2025
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at certain things and I'm saying, wait

2026
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 2: a minute, I'm a black man in this sin, in

2027
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 2: this country.

2028
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 3: I understand what the hell you haven't done for us.

2029
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 2: I know you've been talking shit for decades, but the

2030
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 2: fact of the matter is our education system is still

2031
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 2: up in smoke. Wealth Fittism is up in smoke. You

2032
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 2: know what opposition to corporate America. When white folks catch

2033
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 2: a cold, black folks catch pneumonia. Everything that happens to

2034
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 2: white folks is worse for black folks. The unemployment rate

2035
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 2: is below four percent, it's below it's it's damned there

2036
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 2: three and a half percent for white people.

2037
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 3: What is it for black people?

2038
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 2: It's at five point six percenting, we bragging, We happy

2039
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 2: because it ain't higher, but it's always worse for us.

2040
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 2: So I look at all of those things and I

2041
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 2: say to myself, wait a minute, I'm not going to

2042
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 2: ignore what I'm seeing from the Democratic Party. My problem

2043
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 2: with Trump is this, to Dan Petty, you're the president

2044
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 2: of the United States of America, and this brother will

2045
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 2: go after Kathy Griffin or Stephen A. Smith or somebody

2046
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 2: you know addresses shit that really really goes on. You're

2047
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,719
Speaker 2: looking at him and it's like, come on, man, you know, focus, focus, focus,

2048
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 2: you know I need to know that if you back

2049
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 2: in that office, you gonna govern the country, not just

2050
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 2: cater who got you in. Are you gonna be the

2051
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 2: president to all Americans? Or is it just to the

2052
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 2: people faith you. I remember when John Lewis died. We

2053
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 2: know what a warrior he was on behalf of our community,

2054
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 2: the form of rep out of Maryland.

2055
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: What have you we?

2056
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 2: You know we know what he meant for us. Okay,

2057
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 2: he passes away. You don't even want to pay homage

2058
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 2: to him because you're talking about he never supported me.

2059
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:37,599
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. I know you gave more.

2060
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 2: I know you gave money to HBCUs. I respect that.

2061
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 2: I know the economy is looking good before COVID. I

2062
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 2: know that you know, proclaimed to do certain things for

2063
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 2: black folks, and unemployment rate in the black community was

2064
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 2: was was low. I get all of that, But the

2065
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,839
Speaker 2: flip side to it, I'm looking at your Supreme Court justices.

2066
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 2: I'm looking at them rolling back certain things. I'm looking

2067
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,800
Speaker 2: at people who are fantasized about a time that once

2068
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 2: was meaning pre seventies, into the sixties, into the fifties,

2069
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 2: and you down with that, and what do I take

2070
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 2: into account from that. I'm looking at the white population

2071
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 2: that was once in the high eighties, then it doing

2072
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:16,759
Speaker 2: them to the seventies. Now it says sixty and sliding.

2073
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 2: And they're looking at legal immigrants coming into the country,

2074
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 2: and white folks are worried about themselves not being the

2075
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 2: majority any longer.

2076
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 3: You catering all that fear, you feeding into.

2077
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,680
Speaker 2: It, which is why crowd boys and all of these

2078
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 2: other folks coming into it. So now it's hard for

2079
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 2: me to look at your politics when I'm worried about

2080
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 2: life and death situations for black folks throughout this country

2081
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 2: and for other minorities in this country, because I'm not

2082
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:52,760
Speaker 2: accusing you of fomenting it on anything like that. Like

2083
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 2: folks try to lame him for the insurrection. Do I

2084
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 2: think he was provocative? Yes?

2085
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 3: Do I think he instigated shit?

2086
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 2: Yes? Do I believe that he called the vice You know,

2087
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:02,679
Speaker 2: you sat up there and they were talking about hanging

2088
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 2: Mike Pence and you didn't do anything about it. Yes,

2089
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 2: But I also don't believe you should be arrested for

2090
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 2: it and stuff like that, because I believe all them

2091
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 2: damn people out there were adults. They want children, They

2092
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 2: were grown ass adults who knew not to cross those

2093
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 2: barriers at the US Capitol, and if they were stupid

2094
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 2: enough to do it, hell with them. Okay, And that's true,

2095
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at you, and I'm wondering. I know

2096
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 2: people talking about politicis we want a better economy, we

2097
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 2: want this, we want we want safer streets. I'm down

2098
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 2: for that, but if you the kind of do that

2099
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 2: would foster and provoke divisiveness. We ain't got time to

2100
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 2: worry about all of that stuff when we worried about

2101
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 2: our lives. You see what I'm saying, And that's the

2102
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 2: message that I'm trying to do. His politics. I would

2103
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:54,719
Speaker 2: love for his politics to be debated against Biden's politics,

2104
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 2: who I think has been a prisoner to the progressive left,

2105
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 2: the extreme left, because that woke stuff. Come on, y'all,

2106
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 2: you know what. Listen, we brothers here, brothers and sisters, Blacks, Latinos,

2107
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 2: all of us are in here. We know how we

2108
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 2: were raised. I said it to Patrick bed David the

2109
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 2: other day. I said, my mother voted Democrat, but she.

2110
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 3: Was of a publican home. I said, she was a

2111
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:23,080
Speaker 3: conservative at a conservative home. Is don't give a shit

2112
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 3: about the laws.

2113
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 2: This is the law.

2114
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 3: You will listen to. What the hell I have.

2115
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 2: She ain't got no rights, he negotiated. This is my house,

2116
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 2: and this is what you will do or else. You understanding,

2117
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 2: We understand that now everything's in negotiation, everything's to be understood. Well,

2118
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,720
Speaker 2: you know what, my daughter, I got two daughters, Oh

2119
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 2: my daughter. You know there's nothing wrong with your daughter

2120
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 2: being in the same bathroom with a person that identifies

2121
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 2: themselves as a woman, even though they were born a man.

2122
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 3: Oh, yes to hell it is. Yes to hell it is.

2123
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 2: I don't give a deal what anybody says now again,

2124
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 2: transgender whatever, I support gay rights, transgender right or yo,

2125
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 2: live and let live, live and let live. I don't

2126
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 2: support nobody bothering them, violating the civil rights, the civil liberties.

2127
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 2: But here's our problem in our society that I think

2128
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:21,560
Speaker 2: the progressive left has contributed greatly to. They want you

2129
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 2: to like it like yo, y'all. No, I ain't going

2130
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 2: to no gay club. I'm not gay, But guess where

2131
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:31,759
Speaker 2: else I'm not going. I'm not going to some pooring

2132
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 2: shop either. I'm not trying to hang out with poorn

2133
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 2: stars or prostitutes either who are heterosexual.

2134
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to do that.

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Speaker 2: Everybody got a right to like what they like, have

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Speaker 2: their own flavor, and not to not to and for

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01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 2: you to try to impose that on other people, I

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01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 2: can't accuse conservatives of doing that. It's the progressive left

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01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 2: that's doing that. So again, Biden safer because we do

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01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 2: have an economy that is doing well, even though inflation

2141
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:07,959
Speaker 2: is bad. But when I look at the legal immigration,

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01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 2: when I look at the violence in the streets, and

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01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 2: me being from Hollis Queen's taking the F train of

2144
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 2: the E train every day and all of this sudden shit,

2145
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing the National Guard in the subways, I

2146
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 2: can't definitively tell you now, I can't vote for Trump.

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01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 2: Damn it. I just can't because I think that he's

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01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 2: too divisive. And if I saw him, I tell him

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01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 2: to his face. And I can say that because remember

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01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 2: before Trump became president, I was the curst person he

2151
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 2: called when he was trying.

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01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 3: To buy the Buffalo bill.

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01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:37,960
Speaker 2: Remember he called me directly, called me directly, and he said,

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01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 2: I'm trying to and I tell the story. I've told

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01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 2: the story on first Take, I've told the story on

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01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 2: my podcast steven A. Smith Show, on YouTube. I told

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01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 2: her everywhere. Trump called me in twenty fourteen. He said, Yo,

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01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 2: stephen A, I want to buy the Buffalo bills. He said,

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01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 2: these bastards look like they're going to get in my way.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 2: If them motherfuckers get in my way his exact words

2162
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 2: are not cussing them, quoting, then motherfucker's getting my way.

2163
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get them all. I'm gonna run for president.

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01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 2: Those were his exact words, and sure enough he did

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01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 2: it and one and so what I'm saying is so

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01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is I remember all of these things.

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01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 2: I remember all of these things, and I look at

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01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 2: things a little bit differently. You got black folks looking

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01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 2: at Trump as racist. I remember when Trump, I remember

2170
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 2: when Trump. I remember when this first time time. I

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01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 2: remember when Trump was throwing sporting events, tyson fights and

2172
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 2: other things at Trump Plaza. All of us were there.

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01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 2: We didn't think he was that dead. We didn't think

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Speaker 2: he was that when we watched the Apprentice. We didn't

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01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 2: think he was that when he was when he was

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01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 2: at sporting events. But suddenly we think this. Here's what

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01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 2: I think about Trump. Trump is a win at all

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01:54:55,800 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 2: courts kind of do. And if I got white supremacists,

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01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 2: two women to to black folks who are conservative and

2180
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 2: everything in between, if that's what's gonna get me to win,

2181
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 2: I'll deal with the consequences late I'm trying to get

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01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 2: an office. He's I think he's that dude that it's

2183
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 2: no moral or principled compass. It's whatever it takes to win.

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01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 2: And if that's where the most votes are gonna come from,

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01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm willing to do that. Now, other people say, well, damn,

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01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 2: if he's willing to allow all of that, doesn't that

2187
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 2: make him racist? Well, that depends on how you look

2188
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 2: at how important winning is to somebody, you know. So

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01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't look at it that way. I think Biden

2190
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 2: is safer for the country, but I don't know if

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01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 2: it's better because of what he has allowed to transpire.

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01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 2: And I will say this, I can, well, Biden, let's

2193
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:54,400
Speaker 2: let's be, let's let's go. Biden's wrecking on the street again.

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01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm no official hold on, hold on, because I'm going

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01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 2: where you're going. I ain't officionado, but I ain't stupid,

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01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of decently read, you know, I saying

2197
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 2: not well read, but decently read. I do remember Joe

2198
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 2: Biden with the crime Bill in the nineties. I do

2199
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 2: remember how that led to mass incarceration for black people. Now,

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01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 2: I do remember the Congressional Black Caucus, the one that

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01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 2: was pushing people like him and others to push those

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01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 2: bills through. But I also remember Biden bragging that it

2203
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 2: was his and so when I look at that, along

2204
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 2: with various other things that he's done, I understand dealing

2205
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 2: with segregationists. It was a different time seventies eighties. You know,

2206
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 2: you had to work with everybody and go across the

2207
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 2: ale and all of that other stuff. But did you

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01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 2: have to have those smiles on your face when you

2209
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 2: did it? Did you have to look and seem so comfortable?

2210
01:56:56,160 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 2: Did you have to, you know, speak so faciferously on

2211
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 2: the behalf of them and others where you talk about racism.

2212
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 2: I hate when our community, specifically the black community, calls

2213
01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 2: out Republicans for being racist without calling out Dems. Last

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01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 2: time I checked, there was a senator that died at

2215
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 2: the age of ninety seven. His name was Robert Bird

2216
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 2: out of West Virginia. He's a member and the leader

2217
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 2: in the kou Klux Klan. He was a Democrat. Yeah,

2218
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 2: you going back to the Jim Crow. So when you

2219
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 2: see stuff like that, I understand times have changed, But

2220
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 2: you're still asking me when you identify the conservative right

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01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:45,560
Speaker 2: as racist, to.

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01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 3: Assume you're not. Who the hell are you to tell

2223
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 3: me you're not. Let me be the judge of that.

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01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 2: What do you do? What do you foster? What level

2225
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 2: of dependency? Now we talk about black leaders throughout history

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01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 2: in this country. You understand, from Marcus Garvey to Tomrroin,

2227
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 2: Luther King and beyond always preaching about economic empowerment. The

2228
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 2: Democratic Party preaches about government dependency. The government, the government,

2229
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 2: the government, here we are, we'll look out for you,

2230
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. So I'm mindful of that,

2231
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 2: and I pay attention to that. And the challenge for me,

2232
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:23,919
Speaker 2: and I explained this the other day on that podcast

2233
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 2: that I was on. The reason why you don't see

2234
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:29,760
Speaker 2: me so definitive and finite about those things is because

2235
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I could be in front of a

2236
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 2: Democrat and give him these facts and this is their position,

2237
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:39,160
Speaker 2: and give the same identical facts to somebody on the

2238
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 2: conservative side five minutes later, and they have two different

2239
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 2: spins and neither are wrong.

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Speaker 3: That's very confusing to.

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01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:49,560
Speaker 2: A sports guy that gets to look at a champion

2242
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 2: compared to a wannabe, the chance to look at a

2243
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 2: champion compare to a contender. I have finite results to

2244
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 2: lean on. When I talk about Lebron against MJ, I

2245
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 2: got results. When I talk about d Wade compared to

2246
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:05,680
Speaker 2: Kobe and somebody, finite results. When I talk about Ray

2247
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:08,320
Speaker 2: Allen versus Steph Curry and others, finite results.

2248
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 3: Politics doesn't grant me that.

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01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:14,120
Speaker 2: So when I speak, I speak with caution because what

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01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying is this is how it looks. But I

2251
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 2: could be wrong. I don't know, but let me tell

2252
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,880
Speaker 2: my community what I think based on this evidence. When

2253
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:27,800
Speaker 2: I see the Attorney General as sister Lea Tisha James

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01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:31,160
Speaker 2: in New York City going after Trump, Yeah, you're going

2255
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:34,440
Speaker 2: after Trump. I got that. Yeah, he a real estate

2256
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:38,800
Speaker 2: agent that you know, bloated his earnings and his valuation.

2257
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, all of that stuff happens. Then I turn

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01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 2: it on CNN and I see a real estate dude

2259
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:49,400
Speaker 2: saying we do that all the time. He said, I

2260
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 2: do it, everyone does it. What is she talking about?

2261
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, damn, I don't know, because I'm not

2262
01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 2: a real estate dot god, you're not real estate mogul.

2263
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. So, in other words, you

2264
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 2: find these nuggets, and I'm one of those dudes. I

2265
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,360
Speaker 2: read the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, La Times, New

2266
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 2: York Daily News, New York Times.

2267
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:13,400
Speaker 3: I go online. I read Political and the Drudge Report.

2268
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:17,560
Speaker 2: I watch Fox News, MSNBC, CNN News Nation with Cuomo

2269
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 2: Hell after Quomo Nation, Quomo News Nation. Want me to

2270
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 2: know seeing them want me next week? Sean Hannedy and

2271
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 2: I've known each other for twenty years. Twenty years, you

2272
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I'm like, I'm getting all

2273
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,760
Speaker 2: of this, and sometimes people are looking at me and

2274
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking at cats, and they go on these podcasts

2275
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 2: so they got this shit to say, and I'm like this, yeah,

2276
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 2: you would think that about me. Your ass ain't talking

2277
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 2: to nobody. I talk to everybody. So I'm getting information

2278
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:49,160
Speaker 2: from all sides. You're saying, we just just today there

2279
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:54,320
Speaker 2: was news in the paper Minnesota Timberwolves a rod and

2280
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 2: ownership and the deal has fallen apart right all of

2281
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 2: this other stuff. Know it hasn't you reading reports. I'm

2282
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 2: on the phone with somebody reading me the contract. There's

2283
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 2: levels to this. I'm sitting there like.

2284
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:20,160
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there like, wait a minute.

2285
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 2: They backed out New York Post rights, there's no deal.

2286
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 2: It's over Mark. Glorie has backed out and he doesn't

2287
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,959
Speaker 2: want to work with a Rod. But the fine language

2288
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:38,000
Speaker 2: said they signed on to acquire sixty percent the majority

2289
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 2: stake of the franchise for one point five million, billion,

2290
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 2: billion billion, I about to have billion. They've already given

2291
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 2: six hundred million. They don't get it back. They owe

2292
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 2: another three hundred million, which they had to give a

2293
02:01:55,880 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 2: Wednesday night. Right, Logically, you walking away after you gave

2294
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:07,360
Speaker 2: up six hundred million dollars that you can't get back

2295
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 2: when all you owe is another three And by the way,

2296
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:14,840
Speaker 2: you made the deal for one point five billion, but

2297
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:18,560
Speaker 2: the franchise is now worth three billion. Probably next week

2298
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:20,160
Speaker 2: when they come out with their list's gonna be worth

2299
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:23,800
Speaker 2: three billion dollars, which makes your nine hundred billion dollar

2300
02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:27,720
Speaker 2: investment worth one point eight billion. You walking away from that?

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02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,560
Speaker 2: That report don't make no sense, right, Well, it does

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02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:34,879
Speaker 2: make sense to them because they didn't have the contract.

2303
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:40,400
Speaker 2: I have the contract. That's the difference. So when I'm

2304
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 2: watching cats talking, I'm just sitting there and I'm like, okay,

2305
02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, keep talking, keep talking, because once again,

2306
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 2: it's got to be about receipts. When we're talking about politics.

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02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:57,680
Speaker 2: All right, We're fine. Did you get a call from

2308
02:02:57,680 --> 02:03:01,800
Speaker 2: the White House before you get a call from former

2309
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:08,680
Speaker 2: presidents and senators and congress president senators and congressmen. I did.

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Speaker 2: I do follow all of this. So all of this,

2311
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm watching I'm watching people.

2312
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm watching people talk, and I'm like, so that's what

2313
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:29,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna do. Now, We're gonna ignore the fact that

2314
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 2: I've been around for thirty years and I kind of

2315
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:36,200
Speaker 2: know this shit. I'm not talking about when we talk

2316
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:38,560
Speaker 2: about the nuance of politics and stuff.

2317
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 3: Like that, I'm talking about people.

2318
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking about people who know where the information is,

2319
02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:47,560
Speaker 2: who have the information, who give you the information? Do

2320
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 2: they do that I do? And that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one thing and we're gonna get back

2322
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:57,160
Speaker 1: to quick Thomas Slaes and I'm I'm gonna relate this

2323
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 1: to the most simplest I got about fifteen minutes simplistic

2324
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:06,160
Speaker 1: form there is. I don't know politics. I'm asking you.

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't know if you notice something like

2326
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 1: to create this as you as you're talking, Chris, I

2327
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 1: feel like I know you say you're not an expert,

2328
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 1: but you you have experts breakdowns.

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02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:17,480
Speaker 3: If we was to go to war with Kim johng,

2330
02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:21,520
Speaker 3: you what was that? No Kim Jong should go? Who

2331
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 3: is scary to me? Is he should be scary and

2332
02:04:24,520 --> 02:04:27,760
Speaker 3: he dictatedor should be scary? He's scary to me, And

2333
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:32,280
Speaker 3: I gotta pick Joe or Trump. I feel like Trump

2334
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Speaker 3: is gonna be like funk Let's.

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Speaker 2: Crew, wol.

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Speaker 4: I agree, Well, I was coming out Trump is actually

2337
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:40,560
Speaker 4: anti war act but let me But with.

2338
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:42,040
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, I feel like he's staying home.

2339
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:42,440
Speaker 3: He's like.

2340
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Speaker 2: But here's the problem. When it comes to the presidency.

2341
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Speaker 2: You can't just look at the individual. You have to

2342
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:52,760
Speaker 2: look at who they're surrounding themselves. Yeah, the cabinet, and

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Speaker 2: that cabinet is very, very important because when I think

2344
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 2: about Joe Biden, I think about people like Obama and

2345
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 2: others behind the scenes impacting decisions. So in that regard

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02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:12,040
Speaker 2: I trusted a little bit more. Whereas Trump, I do

2347
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 2: believe he has the advantage with the fear factor. He's

2348
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:17,960
Speaker 2: a wild card, and because you know your wild card,

2349
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:19,880
Speaker 2: he might he scares you a bit more.

2350
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 3: If you're the opposition, I'll give him that.

2351
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:26,920
Speaker 2: But does that mean he'll make the best decision, because

2352
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, you.

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02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,440
Speaker 1: Said, Petty, that's kind of like wow. I like him

2354
02:05:31,480 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 1: because he would go at Kim Jong you and rose

2355
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:34,560
Speaker 1: you o Donald the same day.

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Speaker 2: True, I will tell you this, on an international stage,

2357
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:49,320
Speaker 2: your rhetoric matters almost as much as your actions, because

2358
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 2: rhetoric provokes action and for example, something you may not

2359
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Speaker 2: have known. I remember when I saw Pierce Morgan. He

2360
02:05:59,880 --> 02:06:05,240
Speaker 2: was on the Breakfast Club with Charlemagne and DJMV and

2361
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:10,200
Speaker 2: he said, did you know that Barack Obama deported more

2362
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:12,000
Speaker 2: immigrants than Trump?

2363
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Speaker 1: Oh?

2364
02:06:12,760 --> 02:06:16,520
Speaker 3: I did not know that. He did did by a

2365
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:17,720
Speaker 3: significant margin.

2366
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:21,240
Speaker 2: He just did advertising. He just did it.

2367
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 3: If Trump would have did it him like, I'll send

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02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:23,720
Speaker 3: him back there.

2369
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 2: If Trump had done it, you would have had riots

2370
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:29,800
Speaker 2: going on all over the place and what have you,

2371
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:34,480
Speaker 2: because people would have leaned on him, challenging his racial

2372
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:38,040
Speaker 2: sensitivity or lack thereof, because of the way he talks.

2373
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,600
Speaker 2: And I'm saying to you, we can't sit idly by

2374
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:46,120
Speaker 2: and ignored that from the president. That's why for me,

2375
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:50,720
Speaker 2: character matters at the presidency. I'm the kind of person

2376
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,400
Speaker 2: I don't want one party to have any rule because

2377
02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't trust either side.

2378
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:56,520
Speaker 3: That's why I'm a registered independent.

2379
02:06:57,200 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 2: But what I would do is whatever parties in the presidency,

2380
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:02,760
Speaker 2: I would want a vast majority in the House or

2381
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 2: the Senate.

2382
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:05,400
Speaker 3: We got to have checks and balances.

2383
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't want the Democrats having a White House to

2384
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:11,480
Speaker 2: Senate and the Congress. I don't want Republicans having the

2385
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:14,320
Speaker 2: White House to Senate and the Congress. One of them,

2386
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 2: if not both of them, got to be able to

2387
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:19,280
Speaker 2: stop your ass. That's me.

2388
02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:21,760
Speaker 3: If Trump could come back, can Obama come back?

2389
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Speaker 2: I will tell you this though. I will tell you

2390
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:28,680
Speaker 2: this though, and I want to pause for say, use

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02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:37,520
Speaker 2: the bathroom. But Michelle Obama was smoking. But she would

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02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:41,360
Speaker 2: win in my opinion. In my opinion, she would win,

2393
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 2: hands down. But I'm at a point right now where

2394
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:49,840
Speaker 2: I believe she's the only one who would win. And

2395
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:53,760
Speaker 2: when I look at the Democratic Party, here's what, and

2396
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 2: I've said this many times, they are in absolute embarrassment.

2397
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:02,160
Speaker 2: When you saw Joe bid Then show up at the

2398
02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:05,560
Speaker 2: State of the Union address, ladies and gentlemen, he is

2399
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:08,600
Speaker 2: eighty one years old, and we had a bunch of

2400
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:12,240
Speaker 2: people in there chanting four more years. They ain't chant

2401
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:15,000
Speaker 2: four more years for people in his sixties, but they

2402
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:17,040
Speaker 2: chant four more years for a dude that's going to

2403
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 2: be eighty two when we go to the polls in November.

2404
02:08:21,320 --> 02:08:24,440
Speaker 3: Talking about four more years. That is disgraceful.

2405
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:27,800
Speaker 2: I understand he could pass away ultimately, and that Kamala

2406
02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:29,720
Speaker 2: Harris ultimately would be inserted into that.

2407
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:32,120
Speaker 3: I get that part. I don't want to and.

2408
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:37,480
Speaker 2: Stop giggling and stop giggling. Where they asked you tough questions, Kamala,

2409
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 2: I respect our vice president, I respect the education Howard

2410
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:42,080
Speaker 2: University grad HBC. You much love to you.

2411
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:43,720
Speaker 3: I know she's an intelligent woman.

2412
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:46,200
Speaker 2: She's the former attorney general in the state of California

2413
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,080
Speaker 2: and obviously San Francisco before that, even though you were

2414
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:51,800
Speaker 2: putting a bunch of brothers away from clients. I get

2415
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:54,520
Speaker 2: all of that. I understand it. But here's the point.

2416
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:57,280
Speaker 2: Stop giggling all the damn time when they ask you

2417
02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:00,600
Speaker 2: a tough question, because it's an evasive tactic that turns

2418
02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 2: people off because we think you're not sure of the answer.

2419
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,960
Speaker 3: You're trying to buy time. That is not attractive, period.

2420
02:09:07,160 --> 02:09:09,640
Speaker 2: But getting back to what my point was, when you

2421
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:12,120
Speaker 2: talk about Biden or you talk about the Democratic Party.

2422
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:18,120
Speaker 2: By chancing four more years, all you've done is say

2423
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:25,080
Speaker 2: we have no one we believe can beat Trump. All

2424
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:27,800
Speaker 2: this law fare, all these lawsuits in everybody, you don't

2425
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:31,080
Speaker 2: have anybody that could beat them. You had since twenty sixteen,

2426
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:37,080
Speaker 2: you had eight years, and you still can't beat him.

2427
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:43,520
Speaker 2: He had four indictments ninety one counts. He's been impeached twice. Okay,

2428
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:46,920
Speaker 2: he had a four hundred and fifty four million dollar

2429
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,440
Speaker 2: judgment leveled against them.

2430
02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 3: You got more cases coming down the pike.

2431
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:54,400
Speaker 2: What are they doing? They going after him for paying

2432
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:56,920
Speaker 2: hush money. They'll form a poor starf So I got

2433
02:09:57,000 --> 02:10:00,120
Speaker 2: some ass and I don't want to tell nobody. So

2434
02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:03,160
Speaker 2: I gave you hush money. That's why they're going after

2435
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:07,120
Speaker 2: the presumptive GOP nominee. This is what we're talking about.

2436
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:10,240
Speaker 2: And so when I look at stuff like that, I'm like, damn,

2437
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:14,240
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Can you beat him or can't you?

2438
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:18,080
Speaker 2: I want somebody who can beat him. I would love

2439
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris to be able to beat him. She

2440
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:22,240
Speaker 2: can't beat Trump in an election. I would love for

2441
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:25,880
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom to be able to be govern California. You

2442
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 2: can't do it.

2443
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:28,640
Speaker 3: You can't do it. How about Corey, you can't do.

2444
02:10:31,480 --> 02:10:31,760
Speaker 4: You know what?

2445
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:32,879
Speaker 3: He doesn't resonate.

2446
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:35,720
Speaker 2: I respect that man, I respect his knowledge, I respect

2447
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:39,000
Speaker 2: his knowledge, I respect everything about him. But he cannot

2448
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:45,280
Speaker 2: he cannot beat Trump in an election. And so I'm

2449
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:48,560
Speaker 2: looking at it from that standpoint, and I'm like, all

2450
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:51,200
Speaker 2: the stuff you've been telling us, you got nobody to

2451
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:51,920
Speaker 2: beat this man?

2452
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:55,320
Speaker 3: What have you been doing for eight years? What have

2453
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:57,840
Speaker 3: you been doing? Think about?

2454
02:10:57,920 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 2: I got people that are rolling up on me asking

2455
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:03,800
Speaker 2: me they run, You're running twenty twenty eight? Like never,

2456
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:06,080
Speaker 2: I like my life. Hell, I want to message this

2457
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:08,760
Speaker 2: got no interest. I don't know why the hell would

2458
02:11:08,760 --> 02:11:10,800
Speaker 2: they would come to me. I ain't qualified for it.

2459
02:11:10,840 --> 02:11:12,200
Speaker 2: But then again, the other was he in a lot of.

2460
02:11:12,200 --> 02:11:13,840
Speaker 3: People's but I have.

2461
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 2: I have now. I respect the hell out of DL

2462
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:19,400
Speaker 2: het Bright the way, But I think that that you know,

2463
02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 2: you got to know how to smile and laugh and

2464
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:23,000
Speaker 2: have a good time. You know, you got to bring

2465
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 2: that comedic side out of you if you d L. Hugle,

2466
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:29,880
Speaker 2: because right now he's become such an activist that that

2467
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:32,400
Speaker 2: that that you know, you you might have wife for

2468
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:34,240
Speaker 2: going like this. He'll get in no office and forget

2469
02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:37,080
Speaker 2: about us. You know, you think about us, and that's

2470
02:11:37,120 --> 02:11:39,400
Speaker 2: the problem with DL. But I respect him, he's very knowledgeable.

2471
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:41,160
Speaker 2: Or respect the hell out of him. But I would

2472
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:44,920
Speaker 2: tell you for me personally, I've joked that I would

2473
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:47,600
Speaker 2: want to debate Trump. And the reason why we want

2474
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:49,840
Speaker 2: to debate Trump is because when he's debating you, he

2475
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:51,680
Speaker 2: ain't talking about nothing substantive.

2476
02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:54,480
Speaker 3: He's too busy trying to throw insults. And I'd be

2477
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:57,960
Speaker 3: ready for that. But wait, you don't think that it's

2478
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:58,880
Speaker 3: such a joke right now?

2479
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:02,520
Speaker 4: Because both parties serve the same interest they're just making

2480
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:03,120
Speaker 4: us all think.

2481
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't think.

2482
02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 3: I don't think they serve the same.

2483
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:09,440
Speaker 2: I think they have different lobbyists and different interests they

2484
02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:13,600
Speaker 2: are serving, and we're all being utilized as pawns.

2485
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:15,960
Speaker 3: That's the commonality. We're pawns.

2486
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:21,560
Speaker 2: But we but here's but here's where black folks, this

2487
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:24,080
Speaker 2: is where we have to hold ourselves accountable.

2488
02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:26,360
Speaker 3: Since Lyndon B.

2489
02:12:26,520 --> 02:12:32,480
Speaker 2: Johnson in sixty four, the Democratic Party has received over

2490
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 2: ninety percent of our vote.

2491
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:36,320
Speaker 3: Understand what that means.

2492
02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:41,440
Speaker 2: On one side, you're saying you got us we gonna

2493
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:44,200
Speaker 2: support you no matter what, so they don't have.

2494
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 3: To take care of us. They just give us lip

2495
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:46,840
Speaker 3: service every four years.

2496
02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:51,240
Speaker 2: On the other side, you got a Republican party who

2497
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:54,880
Speaker 2: not only knows you're not gonna support them, but resent

2498
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 2: you for it because you they believe you're not giving

2499
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:01,360
Speaker 2: them they just do. And the role that they played

2500
02:13:01,480 --> 02:13:04,120
Speaker 2: to bring in civil rights legislation to the desk of

2501
02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:09,400
Speaker 2: the Democratic incumbent. So as a result, they look at folks,

2502
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,120
Speaker 2: you're not well read, you don't know your history, you're

2503
02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:16,720
Speaker 2: supporting the wrong party. This is just some ignorant stuff

2504
02:13:16,760 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 2: that you're doing. And so when I've when I've spoken

2505
02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:23,840
Speaker 2: at speeches, I've said it half jokingly, but I said,

2506
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:26,880
Speaker 2: my dream is for one election, maybe not this one,

2507
02:13:26,920 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 2: but for one election for everybody, every black person in

2508
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:31,920
Speaker 2: America to vote Republican.

2509
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:34,600
Speaker 3: And they said what, what Why would you say that?

2510
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 2: I said, because it will send the message that I

2511
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:41,840
Speaker 2: vote is not you have. It is for sale. It's

2512
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 2: not that you can't take it for granted. Flatter me

2513
02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:45,520
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do for me. When I'm going to

2514
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:48,440
Speaker 2: buy a house, I ain't just buying. I want to

2515
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:50,640
Speaker 2: be listen I'm thinking about being to Miami. Bro, No

2516
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 2: state didn't come to tax just what I'm thinking about it, right.

2517
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:56,000
Speaker 2: I am not buying a house without looking at the

2518
02:13:56,120 --> 02:13:59,360
Speaker 2: damn house multiple times. I'm not buying a call without

2519
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:02,320
Speaker 2: test driving. I'm not buying clothes without trying it on

2520
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:06,880
Speaker 2: and seeing how it looks on me. Inspect the merchandise

2521
02:14:07,240 --> 02:14:11,360
Speaker 2: before you commit. We do it every day, except for

2522
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:15,240
Speaker 2: when it comes to politics, we don't do it, and

2523
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:20,160
Speaker 2: as a result, we pigeonholed ourselves because we've ensured that

2524
02:14:20,280 --> 02:14:23,600
Speaker 2: we will be a disenfranchised community, devoid of representation because

2525
02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:26,880
Speaker 2: one party is given upless service and somebody saying screw

2526
02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:29,520
Speaker 2: y'all because y'all should be more supportive of us and

2527
02:14:29,640 --> 02:14:32,560
Speaker 2: you're not. Therefore, nobody's fighting on our behalf. Do you

2528
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:38,240
Speaker 2: realize that right now with the immigration crisis, the Hispanics

2529
02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:44,160
Speaker 2: in this country get more attention than us. Xenophobia is

2530
02:14:44,240 --> 02:14:50,000
Speaker 2: more popular than racism, Homophobia is more popular than racism.

2531
02:14:51,240 --> 02:14:56,400
Speaker 2: Transphobia has become or is becoming more popular than racism.

2532
02:14:56,840 --> 02:15:00,360
Speaker 2: Black folks been here forever, and we at the bottom

2533
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:03,480
Speaker 2: of the freaking food chain treated the worst, getting treated,

2534
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:10,160
Speaker 2: getting disregarded, basically because we haven't created an environment that

2535
02:15:10,360 --> 02:15:15,720
Speaker 2: insists upon representation, because we've been too transparent. I might

2536
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:18,280
Speaker 2: know who I'm going to vote for, but I'll always

2537
02:15:18,360 --> 02:15:21,200
Speaker 2: leave open the possibility to change my mind, just so

2538
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:23,800
Speaker 2: you could give me the effort to get my vote

2539
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:26,200
Speaker 2: before I decide which direction I'm going to go in,

2540
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:28,240
Speaker 2: just so I don't be transparent.

2541
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:33,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna take

2542
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:40,200
Speaker 1: you there, Okay, Colin Kaepernick, Yes, sir, I always see

2543
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:43,200
Speaker 1: you say that you like we establishing this whole time,

2544
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:44,839
Speaker 1: that you have a lot of inside information.

2545
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:48,000
Speaker 3: A lot of folks is not privy that information.

2546
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:51,360
Speaker 1: Right, So is it true that it was a workout

2547
02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:53,720
Speaker 1: that was called and he went an hour away, hour.

2548
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:55,680
Speaker 3: And twenty minutes. Why stupid?

2549
02:15:56,520 --> 02:15:56,880
Speaker 2: That's why.

2550
02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:57,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

2551
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:07,160
Speaker 2: And look when I was I showed up to a

2552
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,960
Speaker 2: radio show one o five I believe one or five

2553
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:14,080
Speaker 2: point three in New York City and some cat rolled

2554
02:16:14,160 --> 02:16:17,520
Speaker 2: up on me and I didn't even notice that there

2555
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:19,400
Speaker 2: was a slew of them there wearing.

2556
02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:22,800
Speaker 3: Kaepernick shirts supporting them.

2557
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:26,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to tell you the brother disrespected

2558
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:28,320
Speaker 2: me because I was extended my hand to shake his hand,

2559
02:16:28,360 --> 02:16:29,640
Speaker 2: and he shook my hand and he said, but I'm

2560
02:16:29,680 --> 02:16:32,160
Speaker 2: not feeling you dog. He said, we got a problem

2561
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:36,440
Speaker 2: with you in your position on Kaepernick, I said, who

2562
02:16:36,520 --> 02:16:41,440
Speaker 2: got a problem with me? And his fiance was sitting right,

2563
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:44,880
Speaker 2: sitting right in that room. It's like standing there kneeling

2564
02:16:44,959 --> 02:16:47,560
Speaker 2: over whatever. He was like, So you know, you know,

2565
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:49,200
Speaker 2: I mean, if you feel the way you feel, you

2566
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:51,959
Speaker 2: willing to come talk to her. I said, right now,

2567
02:16:52,120 --> 02:16:55,640
Speaker 2: let's go, And just so you know, for the record,

2568
02:16:56,320 --> 02:16:58,440
Speaker 2: that's who I am. You know what I'm saying. You

2569
02:16:58,520 --> 02:17:00,280
Speaker 2: got a problem with me, tell me when in I'll

2570
02:17:00,320 --> 02:17:02,960
Speaker 2: show up. That's how I roll. If I'm wrong, I'll

2571
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:05,039
Speaker 2: say I'm wrong, and if I'm right, I ain't budget.

2572
02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:08,840
Speaker 2: It's just that simple. So we went in there and

2573
02:17:08,879 --> 02:17:11,160
Speaker 2: we were talking that she had her position, and I say, yeah,

2574
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:14,119
Speaker 2: that's what you say, but the league says something else.

2575
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:16,520
Speaker 3: She said, but we know the facts.

2576
02:17:16,560 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 2: It's us. I said, well, it's about them too, And

2577
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:21,560
Speaker 2: they got THEMN facts and we cover the league and

2578
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:27,080
Speaker 2: all I see is Kaepernick, Hayden behind you, you here

2579
02:17:27,320 --> 02:17:31,120
Speaker 2: where he at? He didn't talk at he didn't talk.

2580
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:35,039
Speaker 2: I said, his woman's bigger for him. I said, I'm

2581
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:39,640
Speaker 2: sorry where I'm from, it don't work like that, I said.

2582
02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:40,760
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what I'll.

2583
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:46,840
Speaker 3: Do from this day forward. You have my number, that's real.

2584
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:51,920
Speaker 3: You could text me anything that you text to me

2585
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:53,280
Speaker 3: that you want me to say.

2586
02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:58,560
Speaker 2: I will say verbatim over national television, even if I

2587
02:17:58,640 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 2: had to read the damn quote myself.

2588
02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:02,440
Speaker 3: You have my word.

2589
02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:08,160
Speaker 2: You have my word. So over time we were talking, communicating,

2590
02:18:09,640 --> 02:18:13,920
Speaker 2: and they wanted me my help in helping him get

2591
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,760
Speaker 2: back into the league. I had been on the record

2592
02:18:17,320 --> 02:18:20,480
Speaker 2: he had been black balled. It's unfair and ain't right,

2593
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:23,440
Speaker 2: But in the same breath, you got to know who

2594
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:25,080
Speaker 2: you're dealing with. It's the NFL, and it's thirty two

2595
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:27,320
Speaker 2: different owners of the billionaires, and theyin't gonna let you

2596
02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:29,720
Speaker 2: mess with their paper. So one of the smartest thing

2597
02:18:29,800 --> 02:18:32,680
Speaker 2: in the world. I'm not saying you were wrong, it's

2598
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:35,240
Speaker 2: just wanted smart if you really really wanted to be

2599
02:18:35,320 --> 02:18:37,080
Speaker 2: in the league, because they're gonna do what they can

2600
02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:42,040
Speaker 2: to get you out of there. So I go on

2601
02:18:42,120 --> 02:18:46,000
Speaker 2: the air because we find out about that workout that

2602
02:18:46,120 --> 02:18:50,320
Speaker 2: the NFL had conducted, and the NFL conducted the workout

2603
02:18:50,400 --> 02:18:53,000
Speaker 2: because no individual team wanted to because they were scared

2604
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:55,280
Speaker 2: if he worked out for them and then it didn't

2605
02:18:55,320 --> 02:18:55,959
Speaker 2: work out, they.

2606
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:57,600
Speaker 3: Were he would accuse them of being racist.

2607
02:18:58,320 --> 02:19:02,039
Speaker 2: So the league, at the behest of jay Z and others,

2608
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:06,320
Speaker 2: he took the position, we will conduct the rent workout,

2609
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:08,720
Speaker 2: which they don't do. Which they don't do. The league

2610
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:12,200
Speaker 2: never conducts an individual workout for a player. And at

2611
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:17,360
Speaker 2: that time I was told by sources directly related to

2612
02:19:17,440 --> 02:19:20,920
Speaker 2: the negotiations, he'll have to throw.

2613
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:24,080
Speaker 3: The ball into the stands to not have a job

2614
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:24,879
Speaker 3: in two weeks.

2615
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:33,039
Speaker 2: Well, and his lady and him, remember, had been asking

2616
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:35,160
Speaker 2: me to help him get a tryout with one team.

2617
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:37,080
Speaker 2: I said.

2618
02:19:37,160 --> 02:19:39,519
Speaker 3: They were reporting initially his three teams.

2619
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,680
Speaker 2: And stell like that. I said, now I'm being told

2620
02:19:42,640 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty four teams gonna show up, and

2621
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:50,200
Speaker 2: it ended up being twenty six. I'm being told that

2622
02:19:50,440 --> 02:19:52,520
Speaker 2: most of the dudes showing up are in the player

2623
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:55,840
Speaker 2: of personnel departments for NFL teams and the African Americans.

2624
02:19:57,040 --> 02:20:00,480
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have brothers looking at you, at least

2625
02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:04,880
Speaker 2: eighteen to nineteen of them, and Ny Hamden hard And

2626
02:20:04,959 --> 02:20:07,240
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I wasn't getting no return texts.

2627
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:10,360
Speaker 2: He switched the workout to I wasn't getting any return

2628
02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:14,360
Speaker 2: texts suddenly, and they you know, I was on the

2629
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:17,400
Speaker 2: air with one of my the opposite of me was

2630
02:20:17,440 --> 02:20:20,160
Speaker 2: Max Kellerman at the time, and you know, he getting

2631
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:23,880
Speaker 2: a text message from them showing the waiver that the

2632
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:27,680
Speaker 2: NFL had drawn up. I said, I don't blame him

2633
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,720
Speaker 2: for one bit for not doing this, blah blah blah.

2634
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:32,080
Speaker 2: I said, well, damn it, I do, because you ain't

2635
02:20:32,120 --> 02:20:34,920
Speaker 2: the only one that got the waiver. I got it too.

2636
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:36,720
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, were you on the phone

2637
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:40,200
Speaker 2: with general counsel for the NFL thirty minutes ago? Because

2638
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:40,600
Speaker 2: I am.

2639
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,160
Speaker 3: I was, and they said, quote us.

2640
02:20:44,400 --> 02:20:46,840
Speaker 2: Wasn't off the records? Shit, they quote us.

2641
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we changed the language.

2642
02:20:49,480 --> 02:20:53,879
Speaker 2: And the waiver because we've never done an individual workout

2643
02:20:53,959 --> 02:20:57,720
Speaker 2: for a player before and he had just sued us. Okay,

2644
02:20:57,879 --> 02:21:00,360
Speaker 2: we just settled the case, so why do we not

2645
02:21:00,480 --> 02:21:03,240
Speaker 2: protect ourselves. Of course, we did to change the language

2646
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:06,400
Speaker 2: to make sure he can't sue us if he doesn't

2647
02:21:06,440 --> 02:21:11,200
Speaker 2: get better, because nobody wants him, but we're willing to

2648
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:15,039
Speaker 2: give him the workout at an NFL professional facility, which

2649
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:17,920
Speaker 2: was that of the Atlanta Falcons. And on top of

2650
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,680
Speaker 2: it all, we'll give him the tape so he could

2651
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:25,120
Speaker 2: circulate the tapes to other teams anytime he wants. This

2652
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:28,920
Speaker 2: brother did show up and a couple of hours before

2653
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:32,200
Speaker 2: the workout, moved the damn workout an hour and twenty

2654
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:36,800
Speaker 2: minutes away to our high school football stadium outside of Atlanta.

2655
02:21:36,959 --> 02:21:39,720
Speaker 2: I said, I'm done. I'm done with y'all. I say,

2656
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:41,520
Speaker 2: you don't want to play. You want to be a martyr.

2657
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:43,520
Speaker 2: You want to be a marty if you want to

2658
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:49,000
Speaker 2: play football. You at that workout, twenty six NFL teams,

2659
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:53,240
Speaker 2: eighteen of them African American showing up with all the

2660
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:57,200
Speaker 2: technological equipment that an NFL team has to dissect and

2661
02:21:57,320 --> 02:22:00,360
Speaker 2: pick a part what you bring to the table, and

2662
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:03,640
Speaker 2: you don't show up, I'm done with you. You don't

2663
02:22:03,640 --> 02:22:06,400
Speaker 2: want to play, you want to be a martyr. Fine,

2664
02:22:06,480 --> 02:22:09,320
Speaker 2: be a martyr. We appreciate you taking the knee, We

2665
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:12,440
Speaker 2: appreciate you fighting on behalf of African American, black and

2666
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:15,800
Speaker 2: brown people everywhere because relice brutality is a real thing.

2667
02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:18,160
Speaker 2: Brutality on the part of some police officers. What I

2668
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:20,520
Speaker 2: call him was got brothers and sisters on the police

2669
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:22,480
Speaker 2: force that are black and brown that ain't doing that.

2670
02:22:22,760 --> 02:22:24,560
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna say all police officers, but some

2671
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:26,320
Speaker 2: of them are. So I'm looking at all of that

2672
02:22:26,360 --> 02:22:29,720
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I appreciate that, but this ain't about that.

2673
02:22:30,680 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 2: This is about you saying you wanted to play and

2674
02:22:34,280 --> 02:22:36,840
Speaker 2: galvanizing folks to support you playing.

2675
02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:38,280
Speaker 3: You ain't playing.

2676
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:42,040
Speaker 2: Years they want to see you work out, and you

2677
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:44,880
Speaker 2: didn't show up. I'm done and I've been done with

2678
02:22:44,959 --> 02:22:45,800
Speaker 2: that story ever since.

2679
02:22:45,959 --> 02:22:48,119
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to ask you about Russell Westport

2680
02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:50,040
Speaker 1: and y'all a little back of Russell Westbrook.

2681
02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:59,800
Speaker 2: I ain't a back and forward Russell Well Russell Westbrook.

2682
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:01,560
Speaker 1: But it wasn't Russell Westbrook's on the Lakers.

2683
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:02,120
Speaker 2: He said, you just.

2684
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:05,920
Speaker 1: Game?

2685
02:23:06,440 --> 02:23:07,640
Speaker 3: Did I downplayed this game?

2686
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Oh?

2687
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:11,000
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, that to me is not you know,

2688
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:15,560
Speaker 2: I get that in the back and forth. Look, Russell

2689
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:18,600
Speaker 2: Westbrook is a real one. Brother is a real one.

2690
02:23:18,760 --> 02:23:20,400
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is he is a

2691
02:23:20,480 --> 02:23:23,520
Speaker 2: brother to the core, loves his people, does so much

2692
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:25,560
Speaker 2: great work in the community, the whole nine.

2693
02:23:25,879 --> 02:23:27,720
Speaker 3: I got mad love and respect. He's a real he

2694
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:30,360
Speaker 3: ain't no fake cat. I don't like you. You don't

2695
02:23:30,400 --> 02:23:31,400
Speaker 3: know you know what I'm saying.

2696
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:34,879
Speaker 2: He really liked that. I respect the hell out of him.

2697
02:23:34,879 --> 02:23:38,320
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite people. But he can't shoot,

2698
02:23:39,080 --> 02:23:41,760
Speaker 2: and damn it, that's what I said. I said it

2699
02:23:41,879 --> 02:23:46,680
Speaker 2: then I'm telling you now I want him taking it

2700
02:23:46,760 --> 02:23:49,520
Speaker 2: to the rack. I don't want him shooting twenty five

2701
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:54,600
Speaker 2: feet jump. No, is that a crime? That's not a crime.

2702
02:23:55,240 --> 02:23:55,280
Speaker 4: Not.

2703
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:59,280
Speaker 3: Me and Kyrie were different. Kyrie. There was some personal

2704
02:23:59,360 --> 02:24:03,039
Speaker 3: ship that's between he and I where I looked out.

2705
02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:08,720
Speaker 2: And he forgot. And that's why when he went on

2706
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:11,920
Speaker 2: Twitter last year and he was talking his shit, I

2707
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,600
Speaker 2: was like, how about me, me and me and you

2708
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:17,920
Speaker 2: meet one on one for the public to spot your

2709
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:20,240
Speaker 2: truth against my truth and see how that works out

2710
02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:20,520
Speaker 2: for you.

2711
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:24,080
Speaker 3: I'll never tell, but pumped your brakes.

2712
02:24:24,879 --> 02:24:28,440
Speaker 2: But he was right. Went too far because I got

2713
02:24:28,520 --> 02:24:31,920
Speaker 2: mad respect and love for the brother, and it got

2714
02:24:31,959 --> 02:24:33,720
Speaker 2: to a point where me and his father was getting

2715
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:37,440
Speaker 2: into it, and his father his father jumped in tweets

2716
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:40,560
Speaker 2: while not tweet but the text messages to my private

2717
02:24:40,600 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 2: phone all this other stuff. And it was my fault

2718
02:24:43,560 --> 02:24:45,360
Speaker 2: because I took it a little too far with it

2719
02:24:45,560 --> 02:24:47,920
Speaker 2: Pops not on public. But I took a bit too

2720
02:24:47,959 --> 02:24:52,200
Speaker 2: person with Pops, and so Kyrie rolled up and like,

2721
02:24:52,240 --> 02:24:55,280
Speaker 2: it ain't even about me at this point, it's about you, Pops,

2722
02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:56,520
Speaker 2: And I said, you know what you right.

2723
02:24:57,080 --> 02:24:59,000
Speaker 3: I immediately picked up the phone with his father.

2724
02:25:00,480 --> 02:25:03,680
Speaker 2: His father and I met in New York City, made

2725
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:07,240
Speaker 2: a man's be cool to this day, I apologize, he apologized.

2726
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:08,160
Speaker 3: We've grown ass man.

2727
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:13,400
Speaker 2: We good. But in terms of Kyrie, marvelous, magician, other

2728
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:17,360
Speaker 2: thro others, just all world, all I ever wanted from

2729
02:25:17,440 --> 02:25:20,359
Speaker 2: Kyrie is to be on the damn court because he's spectacular.

2730
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,080
Speaker 2: He's spectacular, You uns, I'm saying, one of the greatest

2731
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:27,439
Speaker 2: talented game has ever seen. It's not about taking the vaccine.

2732
02:25:28,200 --> 02:25:30,200
Speaker 2: It was about every time there was always a damn

2733
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:33,640
Speaker 2: excuse for something. There's an injury, this one, it's something

2734
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:37,840
Speaker 2: with your religion. This way, it's the vaccine here, damn it.

2735
02:25:37,959 --> 02:25:41,160
Speaker 2: Get on the court. You're too great for us to

2736
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:44,240
Speaker 2: be hearing about. Listen, I appreciate the fact that you

2737
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:48,240
Speaker 2: put the supplied the Palestinians with a bunch of water. Okay,

2738
02:25:48,320 --> 02:25:50,360
Speaker 2: this is before all of this stuff that's been going

2739
02:25:50,400 --> 02:25:52,560
Speaker 2: on lately. I appreciate the stuff that you've done for

2740
02:25:52,600 --> 02:25:56,120
Speaker 2: the WNBA. He's very philanthropic, He's very charitable. Kyrie's a

2741
02:25:56,200 --> 02:25:58,240
Speaker 2: good brother. I even went on the air when we

2742
02:25:58,320 --> 02:26:00,440
Speaker 2: were button hands and I said, Yo, y'all that's between

2743
02:26:00,520 --> 02:26:03,400
Speaker 2: me and him. That doesn't mean he's not a good brother.

2744
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:06,960
Speaker 2: He is a good brother. We just don't like each

2745
02:26:06,959 --> 02:26:12,680
Speaker 2: other right now. That happens, But please understand, I know

2746
02:26:12,800 --> 02:26:16,360
Speaker 2: he's a good brother. Russell Westbrook, don't f with the media.

2747
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:20,080
Speaker 2: You're in a sense saying, but if he honest, I've

2748
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:22,320
Speaker 2: always been feared to us. You know, I said, we

2749
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:25,680
Speaker 2: ain't friends, we gonna be friends because you don't like

2750
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:28,280
Speaker 2: the media that way. Lebron gonna feel the way he

2751
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:31,320
Speaker 2: gonna feel plenty of other players, but most players in

2752
02:26:31,480 --> 02:26:34,240
Speaker 2: all professional sports, I'm very cool with. The ones that

2753
02:26:34,360 --> 02:26:37,240
Speaker 2: have a problem with me are the ones that don't

2754
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:39,600
Speaker 2: talk to me, because if you talk to me, you

2755
02:26:39,640 --> 02:26:42,800
Speaker 2: ain't gonna have no problem. Because guess what, I'm either

2756
02:26:42,840 --> 02:26:44,520
Speaker 2: gonna be right or I'm gonna be wrong. And if

2757
02:26:44,520 --> 02:26:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, I'm gonna admit it, not privately, publicly. I'm

2758
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:49,160
Speaker 2: not gonna say something to you about you publicly and

2759
02:26:49,280 --> 02:26:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, and then privately I'm about it. Nah, y'all

2760
02:26:52,360 --> 02:26:55,199
Speaker 2: see me do it. I'll go on to air my bad.

2761
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:58,280
Speaker 2: I was wrong. You see what I'm saying. But if

2762
02:26:58,320 --> 02:27:01,720
Speaker 2: I'm right, I ain't bunch. This is where I stand.

2763
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:05,160
Speaker 2: And so if you one of those cats, you got

2764
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:09,879
Speaker 2: a lot of brothers. They chirp, they talk, and it's real,

2765
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:14,200
Speaker 2: real easy to talk shit about me when you're talking

2766
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:18,480
Speaker 2: to somebody else, but when you talking in front of

2767
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:21,840
Speaker 2: my face and I get a chance to respond with

2768
02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:26,680
Speaker 2: my truth. I asked one simple question. Have you encountered

2769
02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:30,320
Speaker 2: any of them that have said they're willing to do that?

2770
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:34,720
Speaker 2: You ain't seeing neary one of them because they know

2771
02:27:35,800 --> 02:27:36,120
Speaker 2: they know.

2772
02:27:36,440 --> 02:27:38,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the reason why you and Michael Jordan

2773
02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:40,879
Speaker 1: get it loong, is because y'all both don't accept betrayal.

2774
02:27:41,720 --> 02:27:44,360
Speaker 1: Like as soon as someone kind of like I feel

2775
02:27:44,400 --> 02:27:45,680
Speaker 1: like I feel like I feel like y'are are the

2776
02:27:45,720 --> 02:27:46,960
Speaker 1: same like when it comes to that.

2777
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:48,240
Speaker 3: That's the reason why I.

2778
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:51,640
Speaker 2: Don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think

2779
02:27:51,640 --> 02:27:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think that's it. I think

2780
02:27:54,280 --> 02:27:58,680
Speaker 2: that again, it's like your brother, I'm not a black man.

2781
02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm a brother. I love my people, you know. And

2782
02:28:02,120 --> 02:28:06,039
Speaker 2: when I think about you know, listen, I'm not anti anything.

2783
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm not anti white. But when I think about immigrants,

2784
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:11,360
Speaker 2: when I think about Latinos, Hispanics in this country and

2785
02:28:11,879 --> 02:28:14,440
Speaker 2: black folks, to me, we all the same. We're brothers,

2786
02:28:14,480 --> 02:28:17,440
Speaker 2: We in the same plight, you know. And I'm always

2787
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:20,400
Speaker 2: look out. But sometimes looking out ain't telling you what

2788
02:28:20,520 --> 02:28:21,920
Speaker 2: you want to hear. It's telling you what you need

2789
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:26,040
Speaker 2: to hear. And you got cats that because of that,

2790
02:28:26,200 --> 02:28:29,640
Speaker 2: they try to paint a picture and create this imagery

2791
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:32,480
Speaker 2: about you so others will see you in a certain way.

2792
02:28:33,879 --> 02:28:37,280
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's jacked up. That's really messed up.

2793
02:28:37,720 --> 02:28:41,080
Speaker 2: But it's okay. Keep doing what you're doing because it's

2794
02:28:41,240 --> 02:28:43,600
Speaker 2: sooner or it's later. You're gonna have to deal with

2795
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:47,920
Speaker 2: me because I'm not going away. And that's how I

2796
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:51,920
Speaker 2: roll with it. It's like you're not gonna I remember everything.

2797
02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:55,280
Speaker 2: And like I told you at the beginning, you got

2798
02:28:55,400 --> 02:28:58,400
Speaker 2: cats in the league, yo. Bro. They they talking about me,

2799
02:28:58,440 --> 02:29:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm talking about corporate America, talking about Hollywood, I'm talking

2800
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:03,720
Speaker 2: about Madison Avenue or they talking a lot of shit

2801
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:06,160
Speaker 2: and they don't know who I know and how it

2802
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:09,160
Speaker 2: gets back to me. But it all gets back to me.

2803
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:11,879
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the steven A movie and the documentary.

2804
02:29:11,959 --> 02:29:14,240
Speaker 1: But let me just yes, it's still quick. Thomas Nae,

2805
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:16,240
Speaker 1: Rihanna or Beyonce.

2806
02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:19,200
Speaker 2: Beyonce all day listen Navy of Blue Navy. First of

2807
02:29:19,240 --> 02:29:20,680
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what the hell blue Navy was

2808
02:29:20,760 --> 02:29:23,680
Speaker 2: n't til last year. Okay, let me get that straight. Secondly,

2809
02:29:24,120 --> 02:29:26,960
Speaker 2: I want to emphasize this. I love me some.

2810
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:30,320
Speaker 3: I love Rihanna.

2811
02:29:30,760 --> 02:29:32,560
Speaker 2: I buy her music. I paid for it. Ain't get

2812
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:35,400
Speaker 2: shit for free, but I paid for it the whole bit.

2813
02:29:35,800 --> 02:29:40,840
Speaker 2: She's phenomenal. Okay, I love her. I appreciated a whole bit.

2814
02:29:40,959 --> 02:29:43,280
Speaker 2: And when I compared her to Beyonce on the Sherry

2815
02:29:43,360 --> 02:29:46,120
Speaker 2: Sheppard Show, that pissed a few people. All Oh no,

2816
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:49,320
Speaker 2: what happened was is that I was promoting my book.

2817
02:29:49,800 --> 02:29:52,600
Speaker 2: As Sherry Shepard said, we need you to come on here.

2818
02:29:52,680 --> 02:29:55,560
Speaker 2: We want to create a first take atmosphere, so we

2819
02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:58,720
Speaker 2: want to create a debate. And I know that you

2820
02:29:59,160 --> 02:30:01,800
Speaker 2: are a support of Beyonce, so feel free to bring

2821
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:05,120
Speaker 2: that up. And then they talked about Reread performing at

2822
02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:07,640
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and I'm like, yo, you you saw

2823
02:30:07,720 --> 02:30:10,920
Speaker 2: it Beyonce did you got to measure up? Because this

2824
02:30:11,080 --> 02:30:17,040
Speaker 2: is Beyonce. Now, let me be very very clear. I

2825
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:19,320
Speaker 2: went to the Taylor Swift consent. She was off the

2826
02:30:19,400 --> 02:30:26,840
Speaker 2: chain two thousand dollars. Both my daughters promise their ten

2827
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:30,680
Speaker 2: friends twenty thousand dollars and turn down. I need a drink.

2828
02:30:33,320 --> 02:30:38,040
Speaker 2: But you enjoyed yourself, Yo, bro, I couldn't. I could

2829
02:30:38,120 --> 02:30:40,720
Speaker 2: not believe how much fun I had. I said, tell

2830
02:30:40,800 --> 02:30:44,080
Speaker 2: Swift off the change. She did. She did. She did

2831
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:48,440
Speaker 2: that that I mean she got She told me she

2832
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:56,359
Speaker 2: can we calm down the breaks. There's only one Beyonce.

2833
02:30:57,160 --> 02:31:01,120
Speaker 3: You had to say. Nobody in the planet of Stephen A.

2834
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Smith.

2835
02:31:02,800 --> 02:31:07,680
Speaker 3: There is no female artist ever that has. And I

2836
02:31:07,800 --> 02:31:10,680
Speaker 3: love to me some Janey Jackson control, rhythm.

2837
02:31:11,800 --> 02:31:18,280
Speaker 2: Control and rhythm nation me please, I love you, frankly,

2838
02:31:18,360 --> 02:31:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean listen the Queen, Mary j Queen. Come on, Nobody, Nobody,

2839
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:30,400
Speaker 2: yess Keys Whitney. Whitney's phenomenal.

2840
02:31:30,600 --> 02:31:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean coming with nobody to me.

2841
02:31:33,800 --> 02:31:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm talking about to me, nobody, right, that's that far,

2842
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:42,440
Speaker 2: that's fair, comes before Beyonce. So it's just an example

2843
02:31:42,480 --> 02:31:45,600
Speaker 2: of what I'm talking about so you did behind you

2844
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:56,800
Speaker 2: because like like, but let me tell you, let me

2845
02:31:56,920 --> 02:31:59,320
Speaker 2: tell you this. You under said, I ain't a quote

2846
02:31:59,360 --> 02:32:01,960
Speaker 2: unquote member want to be hot, but if I was

2847
02:32:02,120 --> 02:32:02,360
Speaker 2: going to.

2848
02:32:02,360 --> 02:32:03,959
Speaker 3: Be a member of AHA, it would be be.

2849
02:32:09,080 --> 02:32:13,959
Speaker 2: Beyonce. Beyonce is so bad as in great, I wouldn't

2850
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:18,560
Speaker 2: mind them calling me Stephen B. Smith. I mean, this

2851
02:32:18,600 --> 02:32:27,440
Speaker 2: ship ain't nobody, Ain't nobody beyond me, Ain't nobody Beyonce, Steve.

2852
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:29,040
Speaker 3: Let me just say thank you so much.

2853
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:33,320
Speaker 1: We gotta do everything that I thought you would be

2854
02:32:33,879 --> 02:32:36,599
Speaker 1: and more superceeded my expectations.

2855
02:32:37,160 --> 02:32:39,240
Speaker 3: You are exactly who you are, and.

2856
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Like I said, I can speak to you all day

2857
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:45,360
Speaker 1: like this, I'm just running for the seventeen hour.

2858
02:32:46,440 --> 02:32:48,360
Speaker 2: Bro let me get you look at your problem.

2859
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:52,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to stay on you, you know why, because

2860
02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:58,920
Speaker 1: this is this should be a promoted more like you know,

2861
02:32:59,080 --> 02:33:01,960
Speaker 1: us just bigging up each other. You great, whether you

2862
02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:04,320
Speaker 1: came in the drink cans or not. You great, one

2863
02:33:04,360 --> 02:33:07,080
Speaker 1: of you know, one of the greatest out there. I

2864
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:07,800
Speaker 1: wanted to thank you.

2865
02:33:07,879 --> 02:33:08,280
Speaker 3: I'm wanted to.

2866
02:33:08,400 --> 02:33:11,480
Speaker 1: I was so impressed, so happy that when we finally

2867
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:16,200
Speaker 1: booked you, I was like, what I couldn't sleep last night.

2868
02:33:16,879 --> 02:33:21,959
Speaker 1: I was just like I was cause because I always

2869
02:33:22,320 --> 02:33:24,240
Speaker 1: want to give you your props. I always want to

2870
02:33:24,280 --> 02:33:26,880
Speaker 1: tell you how how dope you are, how ill it is.

2871
02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:29,560
Speaker 1: And I ended with this one story you gave. You

2872
02:33:29,640 --> 02:33:32,440
Speaker 1: gave me one of the most humblest pies ever.

2873
02:33:33,320 --> 02:33:33,600
Speaker 2: Hm.

2874
02:33:34,959 --> 02:33:40,040
Speaker 1: We was in complex con I walked through and I

2875
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:43,800
Speaker 1: watched you so much that I thought I met you

2876
02:33:43,959 --> 02:33:45,520
Speaker 1: before and I had never met you.

2877
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:49,959
Speaker 2: And I walked in with Stephen Dale was a calm down.

2878
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:54,320
Speaker 3: We were were in the environment.

2879
02:33:54,360 --> 02:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say the people that was there,

2880
02:33:56,160 --> 02:33:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, it was a lot of big, big dogs

2881
02:33:58,040 --> 02:34:02,280
Speaker 1: there and I you you made my fans make sense.

2882
02:34:02,360 --> 02:34:05,280
Speaker 3: Now let me make that make sense for years for.

2883
02:34:05,360 --> 02:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I've been famous twenty five years, twenty three of them,

2884
02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:11,920
Speaker 1: which been great. But fans will come up to me

2885
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:15,440
Speaker 1: and they'll talk to me. And what I realized is

2886
02:34:16,680 --> 02:34:18,320
Speaker 1: they thought they knew me and talk to you like

2887
02:34:18,360 --> 02:34:18,760
Speaker 1: they knew you.

2888
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:20,520
Speaker 2: And I did that to you.

2889
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:24,640
Speaker 3: You you you almost was looking out for me. You

2890
02:34:24,760 --> 02:34:26,080
Speaker 3: was like you little too grouping out.

2891
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:30,560
Speaker 1: No you saying that was like But I would never

2892
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:33,480
Speaker 1: take that moment back because I meant it a minute then,

2893
02:34:33,800 --> 02:34:34,560
Speaker 1: and I mean it now.

2894
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:35,160
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

2895
02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Takes nothing away from me as a man. Tell you

2896
02:34:37,480 --> 02:34:40,960
Speaker 1: how great you are to your motherfucking face and mean it.

2897
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:43,720
Speaker 1: It does not take away from me as a fan.

2898
02:34:44,400 --> 02:34:45,920
Speaker 1: I want you to continue to do what you do

2899
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:49,120
Speaker 1: if you ever need us. I appreciate that any show

2900
02:34:49,160 --> 02:34:55,480
Speaker 1: you got fifteen thousand shows and you produce it shows

2901
02:34:55,720 --> 02:34:58,080
Speaker 1: you're being an executive producer and producing shows.

2902
02:34:58,760 --> 02:35:02,080
Speaker 3: That shit is so dope. Man, we appreciate you just superseded.

2903
02:35:02,320 --> 02:35:02,440
Speaker 4: Well.

2904
02:35:02,480 --> 02:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Listen, man, let me say. Let me say this man,

2905
02:35:04,280 --> 02:35:05,520
Speaker 2: first of all, minted to be on the show, I

2906
02:35:05,560 --> 02:35:07,080
Speaker 2: think y'all do a great job. I love the fact

2907
02:35:07,080 --> 02:35:09,080
Speaker 2: that y'all been celebrated. You've been doing this for eight years.

2908
02:35:09,720 --> 02:35:12,600
Speaker 2: You've been very very successful at it. You know, you

2909
02:35:12,959 --> 02:35:14,880
Speaker 2: set the stage. You set the stage for a lot

2910
02:35:14,920 --> 02:35:16,640
Speaker 2: of people, and you're giving a lot of people an

2911
02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:20,040
Speaker 2: opportunity to really really do their thing, making them feel comfortable,

2912
02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:22,120
Speaker 2: asking the right questions and doing all of that stuff.

2913
02:35:22,120 --> 02:35:24,480
Speaker 2: And the biggest thing that y'are preaching about is togetherness.

2914
02:35:24,560 --> 02:35:24,720
Speaker 4: Man.

2915
02:35:25,080 --> 02:35:27,120
Speaker 3: Listen, when I've heard Kendrick and.

2916
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:29,000
Speaker 2: Drake and j Cole, I went on my pocket and

2917
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:33,120
Speaker 2: I'm like yo, as long as it's non violent, go

2918
02:35:33,240 --> 02:35:35,600
Speaker 2: ahead with the lyrics. That's part of the business, the

2919
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:38,320
Speaker 2: whole bit. But as long as it's not, just keep

2920
02:35:38,400 --> 02:35:40,840
Speaker 2: it safe and the whole bit. There's money to be

2921
02:35:40,959 --> 02:35:43,320
Speaker 2: made out here for all of us. Some gonna make

2922
02:35:43,400 --> 02:35:45,360
Speaker 2: more than others, but that ain't the point. The point

2923
02:35:45,440 --> 02:35:47,320
Speaker 2: is we could all live well, we could always make

2924
02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:49,600
Speaker 2: it happen. And for me personally, you know, one of

2925
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:51,760
Speaker 2: the things that I do religiously is I go on

2926
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:53,840
Speaker 2: a lot of these podcasts because me being in the

2927
02:35:53,879 --> 02:35:56,560
Speaker 2: position that I'm in, I know when people invite me,

2928
02:35:56,600 --> 02:35:58,360
Speaker 2: a lot of times they think I won't show up.

2929
02:35:58,760 --> 02:36:02,280
Speaker 2: But guess what cats did it for me when I

2930
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:04,720
Speaker 2: brought up Isaiah and others, and they did it for me.

2931
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:08,080
Speaker 2: And the least I can do is do my part

2932
02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:10,320
Speaker 2: to help and let the world know. You see these

2933
02:36:10,360 --> 02:36:12,960
Speaker 2: brothers out here doing this stuff. I support them. You know,

2934
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:15,440
Speaker 2: my style is different from other people. I'm a product

2935
02:36:15,480 --> 02:36:18,680
Speaker 2: of corporate America who's venturing out on my own. But

2936
02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:20,520
Speaker 2: one of the things y'all got to remember to give

2937
02:36:20,600 --> 02:36:23,760
Speaker 2: y'all selves credit for. And I'm not talking about just y'all,

2938
02:36:24,040 --> 02:36:26,440
Speaker 2: but so many others who are doing this. See the

2939
02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:28,480
Speaker 2: athletes are different. You had your money and then you

2940
02:36:28,600 --> 02:36:31,520
Speaker 2: did it. I'm different because I had ESPN and my

2941
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:34,840
Speaker 2: career at Fox and newspaper business all this stuff before

2942
02:36:34,879 --> 02:36:37,000
Speaker 2: I did it. You got a whole bunch of cats

2943
02:36:37,080 --> 02:36:40,480
Speaker 2: that bet on themselves and go out there and did it.

2944
02:36:40,879 --> 02:36:43,440
Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is there's a level of courage

2945
02:36:44,480 --> 02:36:47,440
Speaker 2: that you showed, this belief in yourself that you could

2946
02:36:47,480 --> 02:36:49,920
Speaker 2: do what you're supposed to be doing. And as a

2947
02:36:50,040 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 2: result of that. Never forget that, because there's a lot

2948
02:36:53,080 --> 02:36:56,280
Speaker 2: of people who got a lot of ability but don't

2949
02:36:56,320 --> 02:36:59,440
Speaker 2: have courage, and you're looking at one of them who

2950
02:36:59,520 --> 02:37:03,600
Speaker 2: spent year not having courage. I was raised by a

2951
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:06,360
Speaker 2: mom that punched the clock as a registered nurse and

2952
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:08,520
Speaker 2: believe in putting your head down and going to work

2953
02:37:08,520 --> 02:37:11,039
Speaker 2: and coming home and all that other stuff. It wasn't

2954
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:13,640
Speaker 2: until later on in my life, in my mid forties

2955
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:16,160
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, that I had an entrepreneurial spirit.

2956
02:37:16,440 --> 02:37:18,040
Speaker 2: But it still took me a while to get to

2957
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:20,039
Speaker 2: that point because I was an employee and they got

2958
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:22,280
Speaker 2: you under contract and they can restrict your rights and

2959
02:37:22,600 --> 02:37:27,119
Speaker 2: all of this other stuff because of y'all. People like y'all,

2960
02:37:27,959 --> 02:37:32,080
Speaker 2: people like me, even in my fifties, are gaining more

2961
02:37:32,200 --> 02:37:33,920
Speaker 2: courage than I ever had in my life.

2962
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:38,119
Speaker 3: And so it ain't resent. It's gratefulness.

2963
02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:41,119
Speaker 2: It's gratitude that I feel for y'all, that I feel

2964
02:37:41,160 --> 02:37:43,720
Speaker 2: for so many people in this space that's doing so

2965
02:37:43,959 --> 02:37:46,640
Speaker 2: much of what y'all doing. I'm gonna get mine, I'm

2966
02:37:46,680 --> 02:37:49,280
Speaker 2: aa strive to get mine, but I'll be damned if

2967
02:37:49,280 --> 02:37:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna help it. Every opportunity to help others

2968
02:37:52,200 --> 02:37:54,520
Speaker 2: along the way get theirs, and y'all a two of

2969
02:37:54,600 --> 02:37:58,240
Speaker 2: those people this team are definitely so anytime y'all want

2970
02:37:58,280 --> 02:37:59,320
Speaker 2: me on, I'm happy to come back home.

2971
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:05,720
Speaker 1: It's you said something that was one of the most

2972
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:10,960
Speaker 1: prolific things I ever heard. You said, sometimes all of

2973
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:14,760
Speaker 1: us don't got to be equal. You're only promised. We're

2974
02:38:14,840 --> 02:38:19,039
Speaker 1: only for opportunity, deserving of equal opportunity, deserving.

2975
02:38:18,720 --> 02:38:21,680
Speaker 3: Of ego opportunity. Yes, that shit blew my mind.

2976
02:38:21,720 --> 02:38:24,400
Speaker 1: It's the truth, and most of us do have the

2977
02:38:24,440 --> 02:38:28,120
Speaker 1: same ego opportunities. We don't capitalize off, we don't deserve

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Speaker 1: the same equal results you.

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Speaker 2: All of us work with people, work for people, or

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Speaker 2: have people under us who either work better and produce

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Speaker 2: more or work worse and produce less. People who produce

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Speaker 2: less and don't work as hard as me don't deserve

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Speaker 2: what I deserve. Okay, you know, everybody that's poor don't

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Speaker 2: deserve to be poor, but some of them do. Everybody

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Speaker 2: that's rich don't just be rich, but some people don't

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Speaker 2: deserve to be rich. You see what I'm saying. It's like,

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Speaker 2: that's the way it is. And when you accept that,

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Speaker 2: what you do is attach a level of accountability to

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Speaker 2: those that are trying to make things happen. Are you

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Speaker 2: really trying to make it happen? Are you really exhausting

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Speaker 2: yourself doing all that you need to do in order

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Speaker 2: to achieve what you have to If you're doing all

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Speaker 2: of that, God bless you.

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Speaker 3: More power to you. What help do you need? If

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Speaker 3: you're a lazy ass person, don't come in my direction.

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Speaker 3: I got no use for you.

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Speaker 2: I got family members who lazy as hell. They ain't

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Speaker 2: employed by me. The people are employed by me or

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Speaker 2: people I know gonna work. And by the way, if

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Speaker 2: I see them and they being lazy, they gonna get fired. Period.

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Speaker 3: It's about production.

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Speaker 2: It's about getting the job done, because if they don't

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Speaker 2: get the job done, they inhibit your ability to get

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Speaker 2: the job done.

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Speaker 3: And you're the one that's gonna suffer.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 2: Do not let somebody bring you down. You can't bring

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Speaker 2: everybody with you. Some people you got to lead their

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Speaker 2: ass home. Look at them, you supplement them, all right.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna look out for you a little bit, try

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Speaker 2: to give you an edge up here. You go and

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Speaker 2: inspire them as much as you can. But you can't

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Speaker 2: roll with me because if I believe I'm here and

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Speaker 2: I believe this is what is required, I can't have

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Speaker 2: you here, especially you gonna bring me down.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I gotta go fast.

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