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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am your

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Speaker 1: And the guy that's stopping by today for a drink

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Speaker 1: in conversation is a former NFL great. He's a pro bowler,

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Speaker 1: Mister Adam Jones. You want to be called Adam or

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Speaker 1: do you prefer to be called pac Man? I'm Adam

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Speaker 1: when I signed my checks. All my friends, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: so where are you and give us a little and

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Speaker 1: tell us about what you got going on. I'm here

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Speaker 1: in my facility at twelve fifty eight West Ohio Pike.

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Speaker 1: Here in a million Ohio, I have six thousand square

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Speaker 1: I don't like the Shade Shade Club, but we got everything.

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Speaker 1: What is what's up? Guys? I watched this knock Show

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Speaker 1: football or you training guys for fighting? O? Both? I'm

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Speaker 1: And you did that at an elite level. What made

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Speaker 1: taking medicine, that's a sign of weakness. That ain't nothing wrong.

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00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: We ain't nothing wrong with you. And if I knew

426
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: what I knew now, I probably couldn't say so many

427
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: people in my hood because I know I know him

428
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: a little off the wall, but I haven't seen some

429
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: jobles that off the wall that was so talented. Man

430
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: he was he was he was grabbing quarters off the

431
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: back board. How did this dude not make it right right?

432
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: And that that we we've all seen that Pack Like,

433
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't the most talented guy, but I was the

434
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: guy that had the most level head. I had a

435
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: great I had a grandmother that pointed me in the

436
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: right direction to say, well, you're going this school, you

437
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: gonna do this and do that. With some of the

438
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: other guys that they didn't want to go to school,

439
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, you ain't got to go to school.

440
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: If they had just had someone in their corner like

441
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: I had in my corner. There's no question in my

442
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: mind because they had the physical abilities right. And that's

443
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: why I get my grandma all the credit. She set

444
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: me in the house and you know how it is

445
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: in project all you wanna do is go out and

446
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: play football and basketball. Yep, my my my six or

447
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: seventh Verde year, I can't think which one. It was.

448
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: Sixth grade year. I sat in the house and get

449
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: hooked on funnies for the whole year. I always been

450
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: good with numbers and everything, Catholic divide and everything, and

451
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: she made me. I missed the whole a u H

452
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: season and you know we was pretty good, like I

453
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: got my full five national championships. I was like, I

454
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: better learn how to read book. At this sitting in

455
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: the house with grandma. Not the move you up? You

456
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: say you fought every day. What was it about that

457
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: made you? Something with it? Something that they said because

458
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: I would get up sat You know, look, I didn't

459
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: have any money and I was wearing hand me downs

460
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: my brothers three years older. So when he out grew

461
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: something that was gonna mean they was gonna be the

462
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: perfect size for me. And sometimes the knee my grandmother

463
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: was so patches over the knee because they don't head him,

464
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: been on his knees and wore a hole in them.

465
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: And I got holy, so I've gotten hand me down.

466
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: So somebody to make fun of me? You know, a bro?

467
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: Why are you making fun? So I'm gonna want to fight?

468
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: What was it? Was it something they said? Was it

469
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: something they did? Or was it just you was an

470
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: angry kid because of the trauma that you had experienced

471
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: at a younger age, well younger, I would say, when

472
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: I was younger, it was it was It was a

473
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: mixture of both, you know what I mean, with the

474
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: trauma and the anger issues. And you know what I mean,

475
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: and plus where I was at, like you follow every

476
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: day in boat rocket banking. If you if you try

477
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: to kill each other, but if you lose the basketball game,

478
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: you're ready to fight. You know what I mean? Hard file,

479
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: You get hard file. You gotta fight. Oh yeah, you

480
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: found me two times if we played touch for about utasky,

481
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: I got to get you. Oh yeah yeah. And that's

482
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: just how we grew up man. And and I did

483
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: did have anger issues, shit still do sometimes today. If

484
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: I ain't going back and checking checking all the stuff,

485
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's why I try to

486
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: visit the past, but don't stay in the past. But yeah,

487
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, of course I've had that. I've been through

488
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, But the environment I grew up

489
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: and everybody like we went to other projects to fight

490
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: other kids. We we I like the college they got

491
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: now we had them back in two thousand, I mean,

492
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. How has kids change? Adam Jones? Because

493
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that we become different people

494
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: once we have kids, because not only are we trying

495
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: to I tell people what I try to do. I try. Yeah,

496
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I give my kids from

497
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: a financial thing, but I also want to give them

498
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: knowledge that my grandparents and my mom didn't didn't know

499
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: that I can give them, not just give them tangible things,

500
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: but give them knowledge. Because if I buy them a car,

501
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: if I buy them clothes or something, that's gonna as

502
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: soon they're gonna think, you know, they're gonna get tired

503
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: of that. But if I partake this knowledge, knowledge that

504
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: my grandmother and grandfather, my my you know, my mom,

505
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't give me. But if I could give them that,

506
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, my whole thing, man, my kids. You gotta

507
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: realized my my youngest May, my second daughter, was born

508
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: at twenty two weeks right, Okay, we call the priests

509
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: like two times. But she really changed my whole autge.

510
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: When you see them in there and you can't do

511
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: nothing to help them, that that's that will change how

512
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: you think, how you treat people. Everything. But my point is,

513
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, I've been through so much. My kids old

514
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: enough that well they can read everything now and they

515
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: always say that nothing like that. Like I probably if

516
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 1: yelling in the house, it's gotta be an issue. Like

517
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: I can be yelling in the house. You get what

518
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I just try to love them, man,

519
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: and show them some of the things that we ain't have,

520
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, as far as caring and besides Grandma, you know,

521
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: it was it was it was everything was hard. I mean,

522
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: you know, my mom loved me to death, but my

523
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: mom was in she was dibbling in, dabbling and doing

524
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: what she was doing. But my mom always showed me

525
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: love and care for me. But my whole thing with

526
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: my kids is, hey, look, I want y'all to enjoy everything,

527
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: all these fruits of the label. But at the end

528
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: of the day. I don't want to see none of

529
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: y'all go through it. I've been through and I want

530
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: y'all I want, I want. I want y'all to be

531
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: able to go to the stand first, you know what

532
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 1: I mean. It ain't all about just sports, which I

533
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: can't say that because all my kids are talented. But

534
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm big on school and I'm big on praying. Like

535
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: it's nothing that we don't do in our house and pray.

536
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know, but I adopted

537
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: Chris Henry kids too, so they up here with me.

538
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Bubbling man. Man, they are freaks of nature when they

539
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: come to sports and everything. But it's just it's a

540
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: love thing over here in our household. No, I didn't know.

541
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: We love each other hard. We cry together, we pray together,

542
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We do everything together over there.

543
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: What what led you to do that? Pack? Everybody know

544
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: me and Chris was best friends in college. I'm still

545
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: close with this whole entire family. I'm still close with Lane,

546
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: which is which is the boys mom. We're we're inseparable,

547
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: and we was just talking. I was like, Lane, you

548
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta get get the boys, So I can

549
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: take what we've done so far and like maximize it,

550
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we sat down, we've

551
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: been we've been working on this for uh three four years,

552
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: and we finally got it done a couple like six

553
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: seven months ago. And it's just for me. It's it's

554
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: heart warming because I know my man up there just

555
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: sitting up there smiling like, Man, I really appreciate you.

556
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: But the people that don't know you're talking about your

557
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: phone get too tilled up about some much stuff. But

558
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like that was my man, Like

559
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. Like, man, Slim was like

560
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: like this, We was the real poster boys when they

561
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: first started talking about post the Boys, so talking about

562
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: not only was he a teammate of yours in Cincinnati,

563
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: he was a teammate of yours, Chris can't read the

564
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver, a teammate of yours at West Virginia that's

565
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: where you first met. Yeah, you guys were so close.

566
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: You adopted it. I think he has two boys, right, yeah, yeah,

567
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: and you adopted them briefently. Man. That's that's big pack,

568
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: that's huge. Yeah. Yeah, So that's what we're doing, man,

569
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: they unbelievable athletes and we all family of it. So

570
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: in my house, I got five keys seeks tick well

571
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: my sets my oldest one in Atlanta it was Lake, right.

572
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: I got thirteen twelve, that's bubbing man man. Then I

573
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: got Trent, who just turned eleven, and I got a

574
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: little junior who three you about to go on bow?

575
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: You mentioned west Lake, You went to west Lake. Most

576
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: people also know Cam Newton went to west Lake. And

577
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: what people don't know is that you won two state

578
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: championships in west Lake. But you're known as a football player.

579
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: So with sport did you love more when you were

580
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: in high school? Football of basketball? So let me tell

581
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: you this story. I had. I had pretty much every

582
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: school that offered me in football, but sih Alabama, I

583
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: mean not Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Clemson. It was probably

584
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: the three schools that didn't offer okay, and I had

585
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: like Georgia Tech, West Virginia, NC State, LSU in basketball. Right.

586
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: So I told my coach, I was like, look, man,

587
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: think about signed this basketball scholarship at Georgia Tech. He

588
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: looked at me, he said, hey, food, you five nine,

589
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: it's only one. This is only one Ablan Arson, you

590
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: got all these officers, you're gonna take a chance to

591
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: go play basketball. You shot my whole dreams down. So

592
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know what. So I end

593
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: up going to West Virginia because I was supposed to

594
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: play both sports, and then the coaching staff changed and

595
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: they wanted me to cut my hair. At that time,

596
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't come my hair. So I end up playing

597
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: football and it all worked out for the best. Drafted

598
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: number six over all to the Tennessee Titans. They put

599
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: certain clauses in your contract because you had a couple

600
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: of incident incidents at West Virginia. They put these clauses

601
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: in your contract. You were upset about that. So it

602
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: seems like going in you and the Tennessee Titans had

603
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: a kind of a tense relationship, a continual relationship from

604
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: the jump. But really you know what, you know, well,

605
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm older now and I look back, it wasn't really

606
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: no tension relationship. And I want to say my condoleans

607
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: go out too. Floyd Reese family. I know he just

608
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: passed away. He changed my life, you know. Him and

609
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Gary Shark as far as back then, which was my

610
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: agent back then. Gary Shark Floyd changed my life. He's

611
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: been nothing but good to me. At that time, bro,

612
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: I was just moving too fast. I didn't understand that

613
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: I can do what I wanted to do, but I

614
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: couldn't do with my ass out of the street. So

615
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, you living, you learn, and you take the punches,

616
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and it builds you up, you know, and to tie

617
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: you down. But it can't do that but help you,

618
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: you know. So I learned from that situation. But I

619
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: love I loved everybody in Tennessee. It's not one person

620
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: in that in that office or in the stadium that

621
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: can say they had a problem with me, like I've

622
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: never had a problem with the upstairs. Yeah I was.

623
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: I was doing too much at the time. They had

624
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: to protect their investment. Hey brother, you don't want to

625
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: do we gotta tell you. We gotta ship you on

626
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: up out there. And if you want to get shipped

627
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: up out of here the other two million dollars that

628
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: we owe you, we gotta sign it up. If not,

629
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep you right here. So you know, you're living,

630
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: You learn, and and things happen. But I have no

631
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: no ill feeling. I think Bud Adams and the old

632
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: Adams family. It was great to me. Now you were

633
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: in the two thousand five draft class, Aaron Rodgers still playing,

634
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: Frank Gore, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Richard Incognito. I was a Frank

635
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: killing the team. But Ryan Fitzpatrick and Richard Incognito, Aaron Rodgers,

636
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: I was still playing. Do you think you're like, you

637
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: know what if I had been taken better care of

638
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: myself on the front end, done things the right way

639
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: on the front end, No, then what I know now?

640
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: Do you think you could have still been playing? Well?

641
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: I was the last I was the last defensive player

642
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: playing in my in my draft plass. I got to

643
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: pack myself on the back pretty good. It was. It

644
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: was a lot of us out there right now. The quarterbacks.

645
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could have outplayed the quarterback.

646
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: They get all the protection. You can't hit them hard,

647
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: you can't. They don't get hit. They don't tell nothing,

648
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's kind of hard

649
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: to out play the quarterback. But far as everybody else,

650
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: I'll play they ass except Frank Gordon. That's my number.

651
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Respect to Frank Bor that's like one of my close friends.

652
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: He worked hard. He take care of everybody, you know

653
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. He he had a great career, but

654
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: far as the rest of him go down the least

655
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: I'll played all of them and lasted long, longer than U.

656
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: All the dvs. I don't even know it was if

657
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: it was a DD in my last four or five years,

658
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: your rookie year, you got an opportunity to play with

659
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Steve McNair I know, I know, Matt, what what type

660
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: of what type of person? What type of player? With

661
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: Steve McNair man. Steve was everything man, He'll get you

662
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: the shirt off his back, you know what I mean.

663
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Don't even know if I compare nobody Steve Man like

664
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: that was my dude. I actually was with him two

665
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: weeks before he passed away when he was out shooting

666
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: Joe's versus Provos, right, yep, yep. But he was unbelievable

667
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: man like Steve was Steve Man. He was up up, up,

668
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: up tempo, guy, cool, chilled down to itself, cracked jokes.

669
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: He loved everybody. Man Steve, Steve, Steve was one of

670
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: a kind. In two thousand and seven, you were suspending

671
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: for the entire season. They took all your money. You

672
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: don't get no money. When you get suspending, you don't

673
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: get no money. Do you take him? Do you believe

674
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: did the commissioner Goodell? Did he handle that properly? Uh?

675
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: Is there's something that that you knew that they didn't

676
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: know that could have maybe steal from it, maybe not

677
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: get up entire you or maybe get six games? What

678
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: what trade? I got the entire I got the entire

679
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: year just because of who I was. And the night

680
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: before I went and met him, he has somebody following

681
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: me and I went to the Script Club in New York.

682
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: Pack came on, Pat, you know that I'm being honest.

683
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. That's why I got suspitted. They ain't

684
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: tell him the people that people don't know that. I

685
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: don't really think that it was about what had happened.

686
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: The point was, I think he was like, damn, you

687
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: ain't realizing what the matter is at hand. Right here,

688
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: right now, I'm going, I'm you're coming to me, commissioner,

689
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: and you take over here talking about you going to

690
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: eat some wings at the Script Club. You know, at

691
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: at twenty years old, twenty one, I wouldn't have never

692
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: thought that was a problem. I'm from Elm the Script

693
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Club to eat wings. People don't believe it. Yes, really,

694
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: magic fit got the wing. They five? They five for

695
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: real though, Man Cheetah got a steak that's better than

696
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: any steakhouse I've ever been to. What he to put

697
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: it out like that? What man cheata? Oh my god.

698
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: So but at the time, you know what I mean,

699
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say I was being rebellion because I

700
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: wasn't being rebellion. It was more of young and dumb

701
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: being a product of the environment, you know what I mean.

702
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: I ain't I didn't have nobody that be like, hey, pack,

703
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: don't do that shit. You're going to meet the commission,

704
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And at that time I

705
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't want to listen. Nobody can want Nobody helped

706
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: me out before that. That was my whole point, Like

707
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: what is it when I was broke time I got

708
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: all this money? Is hey, what youren't supposed to do this? Hey,

709
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: why you don't supposed to do that? And I've been

710
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: suffering twenty one years, right, I ain't got a pair

711
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: of shoes to go to school, cards and good luck

712
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: came all the way home from college when my grandma

713
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: passed away. Didn't even want to go back to school.

714
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: If you wanted for coach coming to get me, I'd

715
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: probably still be in Atlanta right now. I ain't even

716
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: have a family member, a friend or that A man.

717
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: Get your ass up. Man, you're way too You're way

718
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: too good to be trying to sit here at home

719
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: right So it was it was more of a learning

720
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: point for me, Shay, and I really think God do

721
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: things for a reason, and that was that. That was

722
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: my story. You know, He did that for a reason

723
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: for me to learn and be an example for some

724
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: of these other kids. And pump your brakes, man, pump

725
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: your brakes sometimes and trying to see what the bigger

726
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: picture is. You know, you leave Tennessee, you go to Dallas.

727
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: Deon is your mentor because he's in Dallas. He's been

728
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. He knows what it's like to be

729
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: a Cowboy player. In Dallas, it's a whole different ball game. Everybody,

730
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: all NFL teams can't say what it's like. It's nothing.

731
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: It's nothing like Dallas, no period, nothing. So why what

732
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: happened in Dallas? Because it seemed like it was going

733
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: well and then all of a sudden you got released.

734
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: It was it was going great, and I went out

735
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: one night and Jerry had me on these the securities

736
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: guard guards with me, and you know how we we,

737
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: you know how we play in the locker room. So

738
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: I go to the bathroom. This honest guard's true story.

739
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: I go to the bathroom my security guard, he repeating.

740
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: So I pushed him, like on his butt, like little

741
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: lap type. He pissed all of his ship. He gets

742
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: get like, it's so mad. I had a nervous one

743
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: from me come on my security. So that was a

744
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: whole other situation and I whooped it. Jerry was like, God, damn,

745
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: how are you gonna beat up the security that I

746
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: got you. I'm like, bro, I was just playing with him.

747
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: He got mad because I pushed him and he pissed

748
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: on him self and I wasn't really trying to do

749
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: and he just swung So hold on, So I see

750
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: that was not the story. No, yeah, yeah, for real,

751
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: this is for real, Nusha. You're getting the wrong. Oh.

752
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: I know, I know you're telling me the truth. But

753
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, the story that they had out is that

754
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: the security guard tried to wake you up from from

755
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: a hangover and y'all fail. No, So the real real,

756
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: wake me up, no one hang over. So the real

757
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: is you were joking around. He peered on his peed

758
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: on his head and got upset at you, and you

759
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: beat up the security guards. Yeah, well you need to

760
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: new security guards called the undertake the un the truth.

761
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: First of all, anybody that can can beat up their security,

762
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: they need new security because the guy to be the

763
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: guy to being protected shouldn't be able to beat up

764
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: security guard pact man. That's first and foremostat Jesus Christ. Okay,

765
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: you get released from Dallas and you go to Cincinnati, right, yep,

766
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: Cincinnati seems like a perfect place for you. You're former

767
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: teammates there, Ocho Sinko, Marvin. I love Marvin marviaret with

768
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: me in Denver. I love Marvin Lewis. There's nothing not

769
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: to like about Marvin. Marvin just wants you to go Martina,

770
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: take look, do the right thing. I want you to

771
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: play hard. Cincinnati's a really tough place to play because

772
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: Mike brown is cheap. Mike Browne gonna spend no money.

773
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: You practice it right on the overpath people park watch

774
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: you practice partner cart right down there in the state.

775
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: Watch you practice so you know I high school it

776
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: is like high school. It seemed to me that you

777
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: enjoyed playing in Cincinnati more than than you enjoy playing

778
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: in any other place. I did, I would. I'm not

779
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say that, because I enjoyed playing in

780
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: Tennessee too, But I enjoyed playing for Coach Lewis. Yeah.

781
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: He slowed everything down for me and really like, look back,

782
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: this is your last chance, bro, if you got to

783
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: come stay with me. I wanted this to work for you.

784
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: And he was probably one of the only coaches besides

785
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: Coach Fisher that I had at that point that I

786
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: really knew, like he meant what he was saying, and

787
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: he really cared about and I just tried to do

788
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: whatever I can do and take it and run with it,

789
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: you know. And it started off kind of shaky with

790
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: the injuries and picked that thing up, man, and start

791
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: playing some of the best football that I ever played. Part.

792
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: You gotta say it once they said that you would

793
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: pick your friends over the NFL. You still feel that fame?

794
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: Who the hell said that? You said that? Yeah? How

795
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: old was I? When I said, I'm pretty sure you

796
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: in your twitties? Man? Them they all gone, Now what

797
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: I happened, now anybody else, she got quiet and I

798
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: got him Yo. But but you know, but Pack real talk.

799
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: You know, look, there are people that you come up

800
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: with that you feel have your best interests, But when

801
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: you look back on it, they had their best interest

802
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: in mind, and their best interest was with you. And

803
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: they didn't tell you what you needed to know. They

804
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: told you what you wanted to hear. Because that they

805
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: tell you the truth, Pack, you will stop the bus

806
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: and make the ass get off. So I gotta tell

807
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: Pack everything that he wanted to hear it. Yeah, Pack,

808
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: you right, Pack, Let's go on over there. Man forget

809
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: in the NFL woa, whoa whoa whoa brou And now

810
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: that you look back on it, you much older. You're like, Man,

811
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: I had to I let them joke lead me down

812
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: the path that I should have never been on. I

813
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: might have had two of my boys to come to

814
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: a brouh. You just you need a chail bro you

815
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: need leaving annabroh. Maybe two. But at the end of

816
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: the day, I don't blame nobody because all of the

817
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: decision came from me making him. I've always been an

818
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: Alfa maker. I've always said, what's gonna happen. I've always led,

819
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: led by example. I've always been the leader of whatever

820
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: I've been in, you know what I mean, or whoever

821
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: I've been around, because I've always led and lead by example.

822
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: So if if I had to blame anybody, I would

823
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: just look in the mirror and blame myself, like I did,

824
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And all the outside I

825
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: know it sound cool, but in this world, that can

826
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: make me do something that I don't want to do. Right. So,

827
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: like I said, my story it ain't like everybody a story,

828
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. God did my story different?

829
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: Because really I supposed to be probably dead or in jail, right,

830
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: but he said, me through these things and build me

831
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: up and knock me down and build me back up

832
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: so I can help some of these kids out, and

833
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: help my own kids out, help my nieces and nephews,

834
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the little hims. Because at

835
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like he took it all

836
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: the way but and built it right back up for me.

837
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: Like how I can't be no more, no more thankful

838
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: than that, Like all right, you can't do them, but listen,

839
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: at this point, right now, we're gonna have you're gonna

840
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: have a heac up, whatever stuff gonna happen. But at

841
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I don't, I don't hang

842
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: with don't. I'm normally either me or two more other dudes,

843
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: or however I am. But like I'm cautious away I go.

844
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: I try to eliminate certain situations, you know what I mean.

845
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: So at this point, man, I'm trying to be a

846
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: model for my boys. Man, it's way bigger than it's

847
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: way bigger than me, you know what I mean. I

848
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: don't have my fun to do whatever I wanted to

849
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: do for the last twenty well on thirty one years, right,

850
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now it's tying to be

851
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: a parent and enjoy, enjoy, enjoy something, you know what

852
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean. Pat, let me ask you a question. How

853
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: was it on the same defense you and Volunteer's birth.

854
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. Man. You know that

855
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: man was doing some dirty play. During dirty play, pack man,

856
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: all this dirty man, I cannot let you see him.

857
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: Look come on, but some of it with nine percent

858
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: of it, hold on ninety percent of the outside. Not

859
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at the place. Yeah,

860
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: he has some dirty place. I ain't saying he didn't

861
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: have no dirty place, but like, come on, man, come on,

862
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: like some of it though, but Pat, you know at

863
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: the beginning, at the beginning, at the beginning, I will

864
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: admit okay, because I said, look, just the thirty seven

865
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: year old Pack. Tell let me tell you what I thought.

866
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: I said, look, man, eight games, I know how much

867
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: money you can pay. They not getting you this money

868
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: back to you. Gotta figure out it. He like, Man,

869
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I like, bro, you gotta figure

870
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: out of the way. And I will say, bro, he tried, Bro,

871
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: he tried. I don't care what nobody to say. He tried.

872
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: He tried. Like the end of hit Bright came on,

873
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: like the end of hit was you've seen the end

874
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: of here. I think that was the last one. Yeah,

875
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: was that a bad hit? It was? It says, no, no, no,

876
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it. Once you get you Pack, you

877
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: know how it is. Once you're getting that reputation, Once

878
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: you're getting that reputation, your reputation procede you. So it

879
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that he went to another team. Everybody still

880
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: remember what he was doing when he was in sensity

881
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: in Sensey, So it didn't matter. But he was good

882
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: enough player pack the games. Most of the games that

883
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: Bunted got in trouble on was what what game? Tell

884
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: me what what team? We was playing? Steelers? And then

885
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 1: is the thirtiest team in the league? Come on? Man?

886
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: Pouncey was the other sinner name in Tartnito. No you

887
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: But see here is the thing. But here's the thing.

888
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: They hit on Ab. You don't think they hit on

889
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Ab with dirty man. That man Ab winked at us

890
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: many crazy and then my boy Aby winked a US

891
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: Man sweater. God, man, God strike me down. You know,

892
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm a god fear man. I prayer that God strike

893
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: me down. If he did not wink us, he got you,

894
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: I swear to gud on the ground. I cannot make

895
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: this up. Man. The man winked at us. And you

896
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna tell you know. Yeah, I'm gonna tell

897
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: you the Undergod you whether they like it or not, Yeah,

898
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: tell oh he comes up your block off. Yeah yeah,

899
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: we we we got it down to like where at

900
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: least should have been way manageable. Then every time he

901
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: hit somebody it was fifteen yards bruh. But but here's

902
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: the thing. Sometimes guys are not talented enough and they

903
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: do things outside of the scope of the game. He

904
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: was talented enough. You know. That was the only reason

905
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: he didn't get drafted, because he was doing that boy job.

906
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: Tas was talented. He could play. He didn't have to

907
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: do any of that stuff a pack and you know it.

908
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. He played with the seat He

909
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: played without a seatbelt. You know, that's all I'm gonna say.

910
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: Them linebackers difference, You know that. Oh yeah, yeah, you

911
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: were playing what they get to do to you. But

912
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: it's a different game now. But you know when I

913
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: came up in the early night and everything went what

914
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: they they were really knocking. They were really knocking your

915
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: block off. You go over the middle and dare you

916
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: to come back? Dare you to come back? Friday Charleston,

917
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 1: West Virginia three one minute? So when when? So what?

918
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: What if the headline is gonna read Saturday more? Adam

919
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: Pacman Jones first career fight is how is the new

920
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: uh rough and rowdy chimp? Adam Pacman Jones, how gonna

921
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: right hold again? So you're gonna win the bell and retire?

922
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: Hell no, I'm not retiring. I told you now. This, this, this,

923
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: this won't be my my only fight, regardless of how

924
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: this go. When I whip him up, how bad I

925
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: beat him. So I got a couple more things I'm

926
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: working on. So you know, I really want to fight.

927
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: Oh you want to fight Pat? I want to fight

928
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: the boy over there who fighting Sunday. If he can

929
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: get down to one hundred and eighty two pounds. Oh, Jake, Jake, Paul,

930
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah you Hey, I'm not Nate. I promise you that.

931
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be. I don't know

932
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: if he's gonna get He probably walking around. He probably

933
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: walking around. They say you can get down to one

934
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: eighty what he wad one ninety three this fight? Yeah,

935
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: it kind of fat thought, yeah, and so he probably

936
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: dehydrated just to make that. But he going to the ring.

937
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: He probably walking in the ring at two two o five.

938
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: All right, how about this? Then after I handle my

939
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: business this Friday, you you you come up with me

940
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: a hit list? Okay, you want you want somebody on

941
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: the celebrity circuit that you would go ahead? I don't know,

942
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: but I mean that would be I'll be I'll watched

943
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: that fight. I play to watch that fight. If you

944
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: fight Jake Paul at one at one eighty, how about

945
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: you wearing not past ye right now one seventy, Well,

946
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: fight wads one seventy five, So I'm right there at

947
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: it on seventy six. Yeah for you. He need to

948
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: come down to one eighty. Yeah, and then he could

949
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: be fup over night because because Nate Wade one fifty

950
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: eight one eighty, he walked in the ring and Nate,

951
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean he only got that he was one ninety eight,

952
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: so he probably walked the ring at ten. That's too much,

953
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: that's too that's too big for Nate. Yeah, way too

954
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: being for Nate. Man. I don't even know who, who

955
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: who who gave Nate the idea to go sign himself

956
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: up for a dummy league? All money with lated he

957
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: got an age, not anymore. All money ain't good money. Nope,

958
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: you gotta tell him Sney just not good money. And

959
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: you can't make me. No mean, I'm gonna tell you.

960
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: He gotta get down for me to fight him. I'm

961
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: not fighting him at two hundred pounds. No, no, no,

962
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: should you No? But don't make business sense for me.

963
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: But if he here's the thing, Nate let his ego

964
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: get involved, and you know when you're fighting, you can't

965
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: let your ego get involved. Man, I'm a business business man.

966
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: Dare you go pack? Good luck? You know I used

967
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: to see you around the A. I'm out in the

968
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: La nine, so I hadn't seen you in a while.

969
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: But we're gonna link back up when I get back

970
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: down today. I know you dined there every so after

971
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna grab a bye to eat. I beat your

972
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: the barbershop, Peter screet. You know we get h cut

973
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: up and you know what in the other option hook

974
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: baby Hey, good luck pas preculationship and glad to see

975
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: you're doing well. Bro, Thank you brother. All my life,

976
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: then running all my life, sacrifice, hustle baby price, One

977
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: slice got the Bronner dice to swath all my life.

978
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life, up all my life

979
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: and running all my life. Sacrifice hustle baby price, one

980
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: slice got the brother, dice to swath all my life.

981
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life