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Speaker 3: bitter foods, you might have psychopathic tendencies. And the list
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Speaker 3: and dark chocolate it yes, versually the only thing I'll
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Speaker 3: Which one don't you like? You don't drink I'm not
Speaker 3: a gin drinker.
Speaker 1: See it at the psychopath party though, Katie, So two
Speaker 1: out of three is plenty welcome.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. And if you're not a psychopath, you you
Speaker 3: probably have everyday sadism, it says here, which is a
Speaker 3: person who takes pleasure from ordinary experiences in which cruelty
Speaker 3: is vicarious.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, vicarious cruelty gets me through the day.
Speaker 3: That and a little dark chocolate to nibblon. Exactly. I
Speaker 3: watched down My Cruelty with a nice Gin and Tonic.
Speaker 2: And a little dark chocolate, so satisfying.
Speaker 3: Or a cup of coffee to help you stay up
Speaker 3: later to watch more of the cruelty.
Speaker 1: You know, if there's a good cruelty on TV, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll want a cup of coffee to keep my eyes wide.
Speaker 3: All right, now you're Michael Angelo.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me go back about six months ago. My
Speaker 4: wife and I purchased these tickets to a show that
Speaker 4: was we thought would be high action, entertaining, musical, very cool,
Speaker 4: and so I didn't realize it was the NFL playoff ice. No,
Speaker 4: nothing like that. But I didn't realize it was the
Speaker 4: NFL playoff week and I didn't think ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, before before too.
Speaker 4: So of course this thing comes up and I realized
Speaker 4: it's now the NFL playoff weekend, and I say, you know, look,
Speaker 4: I really don't want to go. She goes, don't worry
Speaker 4: about it. It's going to be great. You know, we
Speaker 4: bought these tickets. There are one hundred dollars. You know
Speaker 4: it's going to be fantastic. You're going to really enjoy
Speaker 4: it. And I thought, all right, I'm going to enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I'll go along.
Speaker 4: So we get to the show and the show's not.
Speaker 2: What we expected.
Speaker 4: It's not any action at all. In fact, it's people
Speaker 4: talking on stage doing an occasional song, talking on stage
Speaker 4: doing it's super.
Speaker 3: Too much Grover, not enough Elmo for Elmo and Ice exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you call it Elma on Ice. But there's the freaking
Speaker 3: blue thing.
Speaker 4: So intermission comes, they say, hey, we got more great
Speaker 4: action for you in the second half. Hang around, and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking I don't want to hang around. So I
Speaker 4: tell my wife. I say, hey, listen, this isn't my
Speaker 4: cup of tea. This is not what you sold it
Speaker 4: as and she goes, yeah, I know, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 4: thought it was something different. I thought it was, you know,
Speaker 4: a different type of show.
Speaker 3: Were you just missing ad game though over this or
Speaker 3: is that what's going on?
Speaker 4: So meanwhile, I'm you know, and we lived about five
Speaker 4: minutes away, and I'm missing the Cowboys and Packers game,
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm just trying to I enjoy NFL football.
Speaker 4: And so I tell her listen, I want to get
Speaker 4: out of here, and she goes, really, you didn't enjoy
Speaker 4: any of this? I said, no, I haven't enjoyed any
Speaker 4: of this at all. I think it's slow. I think,
Speaker 4: you know, the music's not very good, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And so I'm listening this off. Well, I guess I
Speaker 4: was talking too loud. And I must mention that during
Speaker 4: part of the show, one of the speakers talks about
Speaker 4: gratitude and being grateful. So I'm just having a private
Speaker 4: conversation with my wife's you know, it's an oh boy.
Speaker 3: Screaming in the lobby. No, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Being loud, I mean, you know, just regular regular voice.
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, a woman in front of
Speaker 4: us turns around and says to my wife, well, I
Speaker 4: guess he missed the part about gratitude. Oh, so she
Speaker 4: has decided to interject yourself into a private conversation. Wow,
Speaker 4: And so I kind of looked at her and I
Speaker 4: didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: How many teeth did you knock out?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I didn't, but it just.
Speaker 4: Made me more angry, and I said, we're getting out
Speaker 4: of here now, let's go.
Speaker 6: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 4: Grab her by the arm, and I said, you know,
Speaker 4: and she goes and we you know, we go storming
Speaker 4: out and I'm not happy.
Speaker 7: Wow, Michelangelo, get me out of here before I punch
Speaker 7: a woman.
Speaker 4: No, And then she says I caused the scene. Well wait,
Speaker 4: but I was trying to explain to her.
Speaker 3: I said, you know, your wife said you caused the scene,
Speaker 3: or that lady said you caused the scene.
Speaker 4: My wife said I caused the scene. But mind you,
Speaker 4: I was had. I had a regular voice. It was
Speaker 4: a private conversation, and this stranger decided to interject into
Speaker 4: Obviously they were eaves dropping into our conversation. She apparently
Speaker 4: was upset because I didn't.
Speaker 2: Like the show.
Speaker 3: Well's yeah, it's a fine line between somebody eavesdropping on
Speaker 3: a private conversation or being so loud that you are
Speaker 3: they are part of your conversation. That's a fine line.
Speaker 3: It's in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1: Well, see, I almost need to get a decibel reading
Speaker 1: to know where to come down on.
Speaker 3: This one, honestly exactly. I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 3: by definition a scene happened, whether you caused it or
Speaker 3: not is I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that's why we've convened this court of hasty opinions.
Speaker 4: Well, this is why I'm here. I want to know
Speaker 4: did I cause a scene or was this? I thought
Speaker 4: the woman, you know, the strange woman, was completely out
Speaker 4: of line. I would never introduct myself into somebody else's conversation.
Speaker 4: Did you ever do that?
Speaker 3: Yes, Kenny, that's what I was just going to go with.
Speaker 7: You have to think about the person who is standing
Speaker 7: there listening to a couple have a conversation and goes,
Speaker 7: I'm jumping in there. Yeah, I want to get in that.
Speaker 7: I mean that that's some nosy. I don't think you started.
Speaker 3: That is a certain sort of person that said, to
Speaker 3: your right, decides, hey, there's a looks to me a
Speaker 3: married couple. I think I'll jump into the middle of
Speaker 3: their arguments. Not only that, but the superior tone she strikes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I guess you missed the part about gratitude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I'll show you some gratitude.
Speaker 5: I uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that that's one of those things.
Speaker 1: She showed her who she is with that comment. I
Speaker 1: mean not, hey, dude, some of us are really enjoying this.
Speaker 1: Can you let up on the negativity? Even that would be.
Speaker 3: Like what do you?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Do you mind your business? Ignore me?
Speaker 1: Or stand there thinking boy, this a whole has no
Speaker 1: appreciation for fine art.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't tell me her to leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't say anything to her period.
Speaker 1: Like you didn't say anybody who likes this as an
Speaker 1: fing idiot or anything like that.
Speaker 4: No, nothing like that at all.
Speaker 3: Now I'm getting into dangerous territory. How long was this
Speaker 3: uncomfortable between you and your wife?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: It was just like a minute, not very long.
Speaker 3: This wasn't a steely silence all the way home?
Speaker 4: No? No, no?
Speaker 3: But was who made the scene?
Speaker 6: Me?
Speaker 3: Or this woman?
Speaker 4: I argued, this woman created the scene, not.
Speaker 3: Me, right, I volume is the key key question. I
Speaker 3: just can't see you causing a scene. Michaelangelo and causing
Speaker 3: a scene don't go together. No, they don't.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad it was a minor thing
Speaker 3: because the whole steely silence all the way home is
Speaker 3: a Oh, that's a rough one.
Speaker 1: She think you want us to know more about the
Speaker 1: show in question, but I don't want to go there.
Speaker 3: I get the feeling you don't want to go there,
Speaker 3: so so I want to either how old was it
Speaker 3: the woman that butted in?
Speaker 4: Oh, I'd say she was in her fifties, tight late fifties.
Speaker 3: Man, that is certainly an interesting personality trait to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, one thing about the theater is I noticed that
Speaker 4: as soon as we sat down, everybody was much older
Speaker 4: than us, and so I was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 4: a different type of crowd.
Speaker 3: Everybody was older.
Speaker 7: Did that woman look like she might have participated in
Speaker 7: like a woman's march?
Speaker 2: I can see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that there was a rancor.
Speaker 4: But there was two things that bothered me. Two things
Speaker 4: that ranked me was first of all, I don't like
Speaker 4: having my time wasted, and second condescension. Those two things
Speaker 4: I think bug me more than anything.
Speaker 3: Well, just not digging the show. I mean, that's a
Speaker 3: that's a that's a tough one. I mean, if you're
Speaker 3: if you're the person you're with is digging into.
Speaker 2: Sat through that.
Speaker 1: I wasn't exactly digging innumerable, but she wasn't digging it in.
Speaker 4: No, so that wasn't Yeah, that wasn't the issue.
Speaker 3: The issue was dreaming that the show effing sucked. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna start doing that when I hear
Speaker 3: people arguing, I'm just gonna jump in them in like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I think.
Speaker 1: You didn't ask me, but I think I'm with him.
Speaker 3: So let's getting some attention in some circles for people
Speaker 3: who watch Saturday Night Live Saturday Night this last weekend
Speaker 3: that there was so much of the cast of breaking
Speaker 3: up and laughing during sketches. I mean, more than I've
Speaker 3: ever seen ever combined in forty years watching the show
Speaker 3: in one episode. And well, an interesting thing about that, Katie,
Speaker 3: You're not old enough to have lived through the Carol
Speaker 3: Burnett Show, which was a big popular sitcom, like the
Speaker 3: number one show in America back in the seventies, but legendary.
Speaker 3: These various clips were Harvey Corman and Tim Conway would
Speaker 3: break each other up and laugh it. As a kid,
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it, and a lot of people enjoyed it,
Speaker 3: and there's still popular YouTube clips, but it would seem
Speaker 3: that there's a limit to how much that you can
Speaker 3: take based on Saturday Night Live. And we're gonna play
Speaker 3: you some examples. There's some famous Saturday Night Live clips.
Speaker 3: I mean Jimmy Fallon used to break up a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean he just for some reason, some people can't
Speaker 3: hold it together as well as other people. And I've
Speaker 3: watched those clips over and over again and cried laughing.
Speaker 3: It was so funny him breaking up. But it's just
Speaker 3: like it's a good flavor, it can't be the whole
Speaker 3: thing or something. Ryan Gosling, the host, for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: he can't make it through thirty seconds of any sketch
Speaker 3: without starting to laugh. That's an interesting personality thing, isn't it.
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is. I don't think it's like
Speaker 1: a question of discipline.
Speaker 3: No no, oh no, no, no, no no no. I
Speaker 3: don't think so either. But it's pretty interesting that you're
Speaker 3: just so giggly even though you've got the script, you've
Speaker 3: rehearsed it over and over again, you know what's coming,
Speaker 3: and you can't keep from busting up, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 3: well I should have maybe started with this. I've I'm
Speaker 3: a Saturday Night Life freak. I've been so into it
Speaker 3: since the first year. I've watched documentaries about it, I
Speaker 3: watched the podcasts where the old cast members talk about
Speaker 3: various sketches. I mean, just I'm super into Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 3: And Lorne Michaels hates it when people break up, like
Speaker 3: that's his rule number one, do not break up during
Speaker 3: a sketch. We wrote these sketches in a certain way
Speaker 3: to be funny, in a certain way. They'll be funniest
Speaker 3: if you don't break up, do it the way you're
Speaker 3: supposed to. I mean, he he hates it. So I
Speaker 3: haven't seen this Ryan Gosling thing. Is the laughter? Does
Speaker 3: it seem forced or is it genuine? No, It's definitely genuine, really,
Speaker 3: and most of it makes me laugh because it's funny
Speaker 3: stuff happening. And then he can't come from like but
Speaker 3: there so the one that's getting so much attention. And
Speaker 3: I read the article on the Hollywood Reporter. Heidi Gardner,
Speaker 3: who's one of the regular cast members, completely lost it
Speaker 3: during the Beavis and butt Heead thing and which you're
Speaker 3: going to hear a clip of here in just a
Speaker 3: little bit, and it's really visual. I don't know how
Speaker 3: well this is going to come across very funny. It's
Speaker 3: just it was. It was a news program. It was
Speaker 3: like one of those town halls, political town halls like
Speaker 3: you'd see on CNN or something like that. And the
Speaker 3: host is talking to Kean Thompson about AI and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Well, Ryan Gosling is over her shoulder, looking
Speaker 3: exactly like Beavis from Beavis and butt Head, I mean,
Speaker 3: like the hair, the outfit, the everything like that. And
Speaker 3: he's just sitting there and very intently listening and everything
Speaker 3: like that. And and when Keenan Thompson points out, sorry,
Speaker 3: just the person behind you looks just like Beavis, and
Speaker 3: Ryan Gosling's looking around, like, who's he talking? But when
Speaker 3: the butt Heead character comes out, who's really got makeup on?
Speaker 3: Honey Gardner turns around and seas him for the first time,
Speaker 3: and then she can't talk for like a minute, and
Speaker 3: at some point the whole thing falls apart and it
Speaker 3: just doesn't work anymore. But uh, and I've got some
Speaker 3: of her quotes about that from a Hollywood reporter I
Speaker 3: could hit you with. Well, let's listen to the clip. First,
Speaker 3: but I.
Speaker 4: Can't just.
Speaker 2: Oh, my gott, are you sious? What I think that's
Speaker 2: a valid question.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 9: Now, they're a gentleman behind you that looks like butthead professor.
Speaker 1: Just because our audience members aren't as informed on the
Speaker 1: issue as you doesn't make them butts.
Speaker 3: Butt head from the cartoon. He beaves a three. He
Speaker 3: really like to move on and discuss AI. So would
Speaker 3: you like him to move?
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 9: The man with the gray shirt and exposed gums, sir,
Speaker 9: kindly move seats.
Speaker 5: She's talking to you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I am so sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm confused.
Speaker 3: I'm just here to learn about AI, so you know.
Speaker 3: And then they set to get him out of the
Speaker 3: line of view of the AI experts, so he's not
Speaker 3: they're not distracting. They the person who looks like Beavis,
Speaker 3: whose name is like Ralph, and the guy because I
Speaker 3: don't they don't even know what they're talking about. I've
Speaker 3: never heard of this cartoon, they say. But they sit
Speaker 3: him next to each other and they're sitting the same way,
Speaker 3: and then they're laughing at things. So I have I
Speaker 3: have two comments.
Speaker 1: Number one, it's not her fault that Keenan Thompson is
Speaker 1: the funniest human being ever and everything he says is hilarious. Secondly,
Speaker 1: the answer is the audience that they loved it. They're
Speaker 1: laughing so hard they were crying. Stop, there's the end
Speaker 1: of discussion. Let's all have fun, people, come on, we
Speaker 1: don't need more fun.
Speaker 3: From the sound of it.
Speaker 7: It also kind of sounds like they might have set
Speaker 7: her up for that, like they hid from her what
Speaker 7: that cast member was gonna look like, just for the
Speaker 7: shock value.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what I was wondering is because they do
Speaker 3: dress rehearsal right before they do the show, which I
Speaker 3: can't imagine what a long, grueling night that is. They
Speaker 3: do a full dress rehearsal and then do the show.
Speaker 3: But but they didn't put the prosthetics on, and he
Speaker 3: had these prosthetics on his face that made him look like, yeah,
Speaker 3: butt head is an odd looking human and so she
Speaker 3: hadn't seen him before. And then she turns around asking
Speaker 3: to move, and then and then when she couldn't talk
Speaker 3: for like a minute. But so that was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, a third of the way through the show,
Speaker 3: and Ryan Gosling broke up every sketch. Well, by the
Speaker 3: time he gets toward the end of the show and
Speaker 3: like the sketches toward the end is like, all right, okay,
Speaker 3: can you just I mean I actually was and Henry,
Speaker 3: I was watching with my son. Henry said that ruins
Speaker 3: it when they laugh, and because we watched a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of them, and I mean, there must just be
Speaker 3: a limit to it, because like famously, like I said,
Speaker 3: those Carol Burnett clips are the most famous Carol Burnett
Speaker 3: clips of all time of a very popular comedy show
Speaker 3: when they would break each other up. Maybe it's just
Speaker 3: a limit. Maybe that's it. Oh sure, yeah, yeah. The
Speaker 3: odd that Ryan Gosling cannot get through a line without laughing.
Speaker 1: I think it's like people who cry a lot versus
Speaker 1: people who cry a little. It's just it's part of
Speaker 1: your your makeup. Which reminds me of my favorite conundrum, Katie.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever hit this hit you with us.
Speaker 1: I may have if I have, forgive me, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: getting old. Have I ever done the I told you
Speaker 1: the one about punching yourself in the face.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I punch myself in the face so
Speaker 1: hard it makes me cry, does that make me a
Speaker 1: tough guy or a.
Speaker 3: Huh, you know, I've never heard of it. That that's
Speaker 3: like Einstein level riddle right there. Yeah, you gotta get
Speaker 3: Oppenheimer on that one. It's got quantum mechanics in it
Speaker 3: or something makes you a mental case.
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Speaker 3: I really like to know what's hot. I just partially
Speaker 3: I think it's good for the radio show. Partially, I
Speaker 3: just I'm interested in note. I like to know if
Speaker 3: there's a super hot band, super hot movie, super hot whatever,
Speaker 3: clothing style, whatever. I just like to know. And so
Speaker 3: the other day I'm walking through the newsroom and Jensen,
Speaker 3: who you may have heard on our show before, she's
Speaker 3: in the newsroom. She said, do you watch The Bear?
Speaker 3: I said, to what now? She said, it is my
Speaker 3: favorite show of all time, not just my favorite show
Speaker 3: right now, it's the best TV show ever. And I thought, wow,
Speaker 3: we ought to have you on to talk about it.
Speaker 3: And then weirdly, in the next forty eight hours, I
Speaker 3: came ross a couple of different articles or tweets or
Speaker 3: whatever from people saying this season of The Bear might
Speaker 3: be better than last season. It's my favorite TV show
Speaker 3: of all time. We brought it up on the radio show.
Speaker 3: We got a number of text people say it's my
Speaker 3: favorite show ever ever. That's a heck of a thing
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: A story about a guy who takes a trained bear
Speaker 1: around the country playing county fairs makes the thing dance yeah,
Speaker 1: it on cocaine occasionally. It's a guy who drives from
Speaker 1: town to town in an old truck, engaging in street fights,
Speaker 1: and he's got this charming bear that rides with him.
Speaker 3: That sounds terrific solves people's problems. Anyway, We got a
Speaker 3: couple of clips from The Bear. It's actually it's a story.
Speaker 1: About the guy who's like a brilliant, gifted chef and
Speaker 1: his brother runs a Chicago sandwich shop, dies and he
Speaker 1: has to take over the family business.
Speaker 3: That's the broad outlines, or the very basic outline. Cool,
Speaker 3: here's the first clip. This is a delicate ecosystem, but
Speaker 3: it's held together by a shared history, a love. I
Speaker 3: have every intention of turning this into a actable place
Speaker 3: of business. That's funny. The music reminds me. I'd read
Speaker 3: a couple of different places that the soundtrack for the
Speaker 3: Bears just fantastic. That's one of the things that draws
Speaker 3: people in. But I did ask b Willco there in
Speaker 3: the background. The only the only way I can watch
Speaker 3: a TV show is if my kids can watch it.
Speaker 3: So I asked Jensen. I said, is it okay for kids?
Speaker 3: She said absolutely not. And I guess this next clip
Speaker 3: will make that evident. It's some of the tension in
Speaker 3: the kitchen. Let's hear it, Debra, make sandwiches.
Speaker 9: Don't stop making sandwiches.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make three sections.
Speaker 9: Okay, They're gonna be wet hot.
Speaker 3: I'm sweet, all right, I'm gonna take green tape. Make
Speaker 3: those sections. Louis, I want you to get the sandwiches.
Speaker 3: Put them on the corresponding sections. Yea sweet labeled?
Speaker 4: Yes, he Mark gonna fire every single chicken we have, please? Okay, Ritchie,
Speaker 4: do you even know how to do pricelel okay marks?
Speaker 1: Where are we on?
Speaker 6: Cakes?
Speaker 2: Get in there?
Speaker 3: What's Marcus?
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Still working on this?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 3: What are you tripping for? It doesn't make a difference.
Speaker 4: There's four kicks.
Speaker 3: And still they're not even cut yet.
Speaker 6: That's what.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 4: I'm doing them in.
Speaker 3: Five at them and everything, fire everything, Okay, I'll fire
Speaker 3: everything now. I just was finishing Marcus and step out.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Talk to Mark now. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We're firing seventy six piece, thirty four chickens, okay, twelve
Speaker 1: French fries.
Speaker 3: Twelve mash oh.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing at deli version Gordon Ramsey. Yeah, I'm intriguing. Wow,
Speaker 3: heard sandwich from people I've from people have known who
Speaker 3: worked in kitchens. That is a relatively accurate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, It's like if the Sopranos were making sandwiches.
Speaker 3: I'll check it out. I'll probably watch an episode tonight.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there's obviously, if people are raving about it, there's
Speaker 1: there's much more to it than the mechanics or what
Speaker 1: can be described pa Oh yeah, obviously, if you can,
Speaker 1: if you can give a good flavor, if your pardon
Speaker 1: the fun pun of the show with a thirty second clip,
Speaker 1: and ain't ain't that great?
Speaker 3: It ain't that's probably a bad show, right exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like a song you love the first time you hear,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to bother you by the third time, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in being a pigheaded idiot, it took me a
Speaker 1: while to understand that great documentaries are all about people.
Speaker 1: They're all about humankind and our struggles and whether it's well,
Speaker 1: it's a story about a guy who trims bears fingernails
Speaker 1: at a zoo, and I'm thinking, I don't have any
Speaker 1: particular interest in bears fingernails, but it's an award winning documentary.
Speaker 1: Just watch it. It's gonna end up being about life,
Speaker 1: right anyway, do.
Speaker 2: We have time for that? While I suppose the podcast we.
Speaker 1: Can make it as long as we want to, where
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan we got three hours left, no, thank you,
Speaker 1: my froat already hurts.
Speaker 2: At the end of the.
Speaker 1: Radio show, came across this Twitter thread that I thought
Speaker 1: was absolutely terrific, and we'll post a link for you
Speaker 1: at Armstrong and Getty dot com. It's an analysis of
Speaker 1: how Julius Caesar.
Speaker 3: Started his political career.
Speaker 1: And this historian said he was Rome's second greatest orator
Speaker 1: after Cicero. And here are nine lessons from a brilliant
Speaker 1: early speech of his that made his career take off,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't as a young man. He came from
Speaker 1: a good family, but he wasn't really taken very seriously.
Speaker 2: He was deep and dead.
Speaker 1: He had a reputation as a playboy. He had kind
Speaker 1: of a Matt Gaitsitz's reputation.
Speaker 2: If I may, he.
Speaker 3: Said, I got this idea for a salad. Nobody would listen.
Speaker 2: Exactly, raw eggs, What are you crazy? Anyway?
Speaker 1: In sixty three BC, the conspiracy of Cataline was unearthed.
Speaker 1: Evidence came forward to plots to murder senators, burned the
Speaker 1: city of Rome, overthrow the republic. You can look more
Speaker 1: into it if you want. But the Senate in Rome
Speaker 1: declared martial law to avert the danger and said, essentially
Speaker 1: that the danger is so severe there's no time for trials.
Speaker 1: We've just got around these people up and execute them.
Speaker 1: And Caesar thought that was a bad idea, and he
Speaker 1: delivered a speech in the Senate against summary execution. And
Speaker 1: according to this historian, his speech is a master class
Speaker 1: in swaying a group gripped by fear and anger away
Speaker 1: from acting on their urges. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: we'll go through all of this, but we'll do part
Speaker 1: of it. Number one, name the emotions your audience is feeling.
Speaker 1: And some of this if to you who are like
Speaker 1: more intuitive, persuasive, You're good at you know, you're good
Speaker 1: at speaking and influencing people. It's maybe a little obvious
Speaker 1: to you, but I just thought it was interesting to
Speaker 1: see it. So naing the emotions your audience is feeling
Speaker 1: that you need them to not act on. Chris Voss
Speaker 1: calls this tactical empathy. Caesar begins by doing this in
Speaker 1: order to clear a little room for reason. Quote members
Speaker 1: of the Senate, all men who deliberate upon difficult questions
Speaker 1: had best be devoid of hatred, friendship, anger, and pity.
Speaker 1: When those feelings stand in the way, the mind cannot
Speaker 1: at all easily discern the truth. And no one has
Speaker 1: ever served at the same time his passions and his
Speaker 1: best interests. When you apply your intellect, it prevails. If
Speaker 1: passion takes control, it is master, whereas the mind.
Speaker 2: Is entirely impotent.
Speaker 3: That has been my experience.
Speaker 2: It has absolutely been my experience.
Speaker 1: That would be incredibly unpopular in politics today, where anger
Speaker 1: and passion and yeah is like it's the only thing
Speaker 1: that matters practically. Oh, I read another study the other
Speaker 1: day as a tangent that people are much easier to
Speaker 1: mislead when they're anger. When they're angry, you can convince
Speaker 1: them of about anything if it feeds their anger.
Speaker 3: Oh really, that's an interesting thought, and I.
Speaker 1: Thought, yeah, I kind of got hung up on that
Speaker 1: because I thought, yeah, not only another person can convince
Speaker 1: me of something when I'm angry, but I can convince
Speaker 1: me of stuff that later, I think.
Speaker 2: That's not true.
Speaker 1: That's not healthy, it's not good that other person isn't
Speaker 1: guilty of that.
Speaker 3: You're more easy to mislead when you're angry. Anyway. Caesar
Speaker 3: went on to say, you're gonna have a really giant baby.
Speaker 3: I got a plan for that.
Speaker 2: Let's see. But that's not enough.
Speaker 1: Number Two, tell us story as quickly as possible, or several, preferably,
Speaker 1: stories that appeal to the audience's identity. Stories from history
Speaker 1: are good, especially if you're talking to a group, Caesar
Speaker 1: said in the Punic Wars, although the Carthaginians, both in
Speaker 1: peace time and during truces, often did many abominable deeds,
Speaker 1: our ancestors never did likewise when they had the opportunity,
Speaker 1: but they took into consideration what conduct would be consistent
Speaker 1: with their dignity, rather than what action could be justified
Speaker 1: against the Carthaginians, so appealed to the shared history of
Speaker 1: the group. Number three, make very clear what the story
Speaker 1: means and how it relates to your point. Caesar's point
Speaker 1: in the speech is showing restraint was essential to the
Speaker 1: Romans coming to dominate the world. That was one of
Speaker 1: their best qualities. Restraint is in your best interests you likewise,
Speaker 1: members of the Senate must see to it that the
Speaker 1: villainy of Popelius, Lentilus, and the rest do not have
Speaker 1: more weight with you than your own dignity, and that
Speaker 1: you do not take more thought for your anger than
Speaker 1: for your good name. Number four affirm emotions while making
Speaker 1: clear they are not relevant to the decision, especially if
Speaker 1: other voices are actively trying to stir up those emotions
Speaker 1: against your advice. Again, empathy plus reason. Are they trying
Speaker 1: to get us angry? We're already angry. In other words,
Speaker 1: here's what he said. Most of those who have expressed
Speaker 1: their opinions before me have deplored the lot of the
Speaker 1: nation in well structured, grand language. They recounted the horrors
Speaker 1: of the war, the wretched fate of the conquered, the
Speaker 1: rape of maidens and boys, children torn from their parents' arms,
Speaker 1: matrons subjected to the will of the victor's shrines and houses, pillaged, bloodshed,
Speaker 1: knacks of arson, in short everywhere, arms and corpses, gore
Speaker 1: and lamentation. But by the immortal gods, what was the
Speaker 1: aim of that eloquence? Was it to make you detest
Speaker 1: the conspiracy? You know, if this is the second greatest
Speaker 1: orator in Rome, then I believe the guy's right.
Speaker 3: I gotta read more. Cisserah, that is so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, number five.
Speaker 1: Praise your opponents, good intentions, build common ground with the
Speaker 1: real people you need to persuade.
Speaker 3: We don't do any of that anymore.
Speaker 1: Not really. And he mentions one of the guys who's
Speaker 1: on the other side of it. He calls him a
Speaker 1: gallant and dedicated man who said what he said out
Speaker 1: of patriotism. I know this man's character and such his moderation.
Speaker 1: So he singles out one of his main opponents, praises
Speaker 1: him up and down, and by the way slips in
Speaker 1: in moderation is his greatest quality. It happens to be
Speaker 1: what I'm arguing for anyway. Number six appeal to tradition
Speaker 1: and self explanatory. Number seven cite more history to show
Speaker 1: this is a dangerous precedent going in the other direction.
Speaker 1: Number eight recommend an alternative. He recommended that they have
Speaker 1: the guilty guys all their assets confiscated, and then be
Speaker 1: sent to prisons throughout Italy, probably to await a trial.
Speaker 1: Once the danger passed, who everybody could calm the f down? Ah,
Speaker 1: then here's the twist, plot twist. The Senate was swayed
Speaker 1: at first, but then Cato the Younger delivered a speech
Speaker 1: in favor of execution. The Senate adopted Cato's proposal and
Speaker 1: recommended Cicero execute the prisoners.
Speaker 2: So Caesar lost.
Speaker 1: Ooh, but that brings us to number nine. Taking stance
Speaker 1: for moderation can be good even if you lose. Caesar
Speaker 1: probably knew he wouldn't win, but he had an additional motivation.
Speaker 1: Cataline raised an army of ten thousand by championing the
Speaker 1: interests of the poor, down trodden, disaffected at Rome the
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent. When Catline failed and died, the poorn
Speaker 1: down trodden remembered Caesar as a champion of their lost
Speaker 1: cause because he was reasonable and just, and indeed he
Speaker 1: became the emperor and then number ten.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a fish or a rat, A fish or a
Speaker 1: shoe string.
Speaker 3: No, they're a fish. Very salty. Sounds disgusting.
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Speaker 3: What your view on Ben affleck smart guy, dumb guy,
Speaker 3: hot guy, don't care. He's not bad looking, He's all right.
Speaker 3: He was the world's sexiest man once for People magazine, Oh.
Speaker 1: Oh the last once. He's dead sexy. You can't deny it,
Speaker 1: but he I think.
Speaker 3: He comes off as a dope, which makes you less sexy.
Speaker 3: And in all a.
Speaker 7: Lot of the photos I've seen of him, at least recently,
Speaker 7: he always looks mad.
Speaker 3: Well, he's a drunk, so uh, there's that. Drunks Unless
Speaker 3: you you know, find a way to deal with it.
Speaker 3: Tend to be quite unhappy when they're not drunk.
Speaker 2: So I came across this.
Speaker 1: This was Ben Affleck in two thousand and three talking
Speaker 1: about the future of entertainment, and I was blown away.
Speaker 1: You know how much he nailed. Michael, we can stop
Speaker 1: this right and restart it? You know, stop now, it's
Speaker 1: completely impossible. Yes, of course we can. You all right,
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Speaker 5: I believe that the industry has been too slow to
Speaker 5: embrace and adopt these paradigms. If you look at historically
Speaker 5: in terms of technologies, in terms of consumer based technologies,
Speaker 5: you have like basically share where that introduces the consumer
Speaker 5: to it at no cost, at which point the consumers
Speaker 5: on the hook they figured out, they've worked out the kinks,
Speaker 5: they figured out how it interact with it and how
Speaker 5: to exploit it, and then you trye to feed in.
Speaker 6: The consumer historically has been willing to pay that fee.
Speaker 5: I think I think annual subscription based system is one
Speaker 5: that works. You have the music business three point four
Speaker 5: billion dollars a year business, okay, which is largely about
Speaker 5: one point seven million people in the country, spending two
Speaker 5: hundred dollars a year. That same people would spend those
Speaker 5: two hundred dollars a year each year to have us
Speaker 5: access to basically the entire library.
Speaker 1: But just in music.
Speaker 5: And of course you continue to read your subscription because
Speaker 5: you pay for new music. World would be paid more
Speaker 5: directly to the to the artists. You have less overhead,
Speaker 5: you pay no shipping packaging, and you pay no You
Speaker 5: know that there's this mammoth amount of executive at music
Speaker 5: companies that are glowing off a lot of that money.
Speaker 5: I believe that paradigm is the most effective productive. That's
Speaker 5: the paradigm that Adam Smith would most want. I think
Speaker 5: the air inefficiencies in the market now and I think
Speaker 5: they're being worked out, and I think file sharing is
Speaker 5: pushing the industry towards that balance because you know it's
Speaker 5: because of its availability right now.
Speaker 3: Well, eventually it's just going to be video on demand,
Speaker 3: movies on demand, because bottom line is going to eventually
Speaker 3: affect your guys's pocketbooks if piracy containers, there.
Speaker 5: Is piracyper movies, and it will be it'll be moves
Speaker 5: on demand, but it'll be a tiered structure. It will
Speaker 5: be like if you want to watch it first weekends,
Speaker 5: maybe it won't be available first weekend, but then if
Speaker 5: you want to watch it, you know, you'll pay more.
Speaker 6: And then as it goes to another stage and its release,
Speaker 6: it'll become less expensive. But there's a lot more adoption
Speaker 6: that has to happen technologically speaking right now before people
Speaker 6: can watch movies or at least integrate in terms of
Speaker 6: the PC web connection.
Speaker 3: You know, the catechnology is not quite there yet, but it.
Speaker 5: Will be within I would say five years.
Speaker 3: That's pretty impossive. And he drops in Adam Smith in there.
Speaker 3: I changed my mind about Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how far ahead of his
Speaker 1: time was, but if I'd been listening to that and
Speaker 1: had some cash around, I might have thought, Wow, people
Speaker 1: are going to be streaming music instead of buying it physically.
Speaker 1: I ought to get on the ground floor of whoever's
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what was going on in two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, that's clear back in like Napster days, wasn't
Speaker 3: it Like.
Speaker 7: That's exactly because I was trying to think, why would
Speaker 7: he be talking about this? But this is when Napster
Speaker 7: and LimeWire were really big for people pirrating music.
Speaker 3: Now, Michael, you or someone that you knew, not you,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't do that. Now I've someone you knew used
Speaker 3: to get pirated movies like somehow do you remember how
Speaker 3: they had all.
Speaker 4: Sorts of burning DVD software that yeah, people could do and.
Speaker 3: They would just find him on websites online.
Speaker 4: You could find him online, you could uh take to
Speaker 4: physical media and then copy it. There are things that
Speaker 4: got around the You know.
Speaker 3: Can that same person still do that to this day
Speaker 3: or is it harder now?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can definitely do it today. But it just
Speaker 3: not makes sense.
Speaker 4: Find point that's yeah, it doesn't make many sense.
Speaker 1: So I guess Ben Affleck's point was what you're calling
Speaker 1: pirrating and and file sharing and all that is clearly
Speaker 1: the way things are going and and and.
Speaker 3: Well you didn't he didn't catch his his uh term
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, his Boston accent was really coming
Speaker 3: out there. Did he not work as hard back then
Speaker 3: to get rid of his his share where it's wicked
Speaker 3: kiss and smart the share where.
Speaker 2: You got to have the shareware.
Speaker 3: That was kind of funny. Oh yeah, with the sharewere.
Speaker 8: Packy cots, Jimmy's getting He's got shareware for you. You
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