WEBVTT - The A&G Replay Friday Hour Three

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Jette and no Hee.

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<v Speaker 3>Being I didn't pay off one of my teases during

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<v Speaker 3>the Armstrong and Getty radio show. If you enjoyed these

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<v Speaker 3>bitter foods, you might have psychopathic tendencies. And the list

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<v Speaker 3>is gin and tonics, love them, black coffee every day

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<v Speaker 3>and dark chocolate it yes, versually the only thing I'll

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<v Speaker 3>eat for dessert. All right, I'm two out of three?

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<v Speaker 3>Which one don't you like? You don't drink I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a gin drinker.

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<v Speaker 1>See it at the psychopath party though, Katie, So two

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<v Speaker 1>out of three is plenty welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited. And if you're not a psychopath, you you

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<v Speaker 3>probably have everyday sadism, it says here, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>person who takes pleasure from ordinary experiences in which cruelty

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<v Speaker 3>is vicarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, vicarious cruelty gets me through the day.

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<v Speaker 3>That and a little dark chocolate to nibblon. Exactly. I

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<v Speaker 3>watched down My Cruelty with a nice Gin and Tonic.

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<v Speaker 2>And a little dark chocolate, so satisfying.

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<v Speaker 3>Or a cup of coffee to help you stay up

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<v Speaker 3>later to watch more of the cruelty.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if there's a good cruelty on TV, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll want a cup of coffee to keep my eyes wide.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, now you're Michael Angelo.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let me go back about six months ago. My

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<v Speaker 4>wife and I purchased these tickets to a show that

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<v Speaker 4>was we thought would be high action, entertaining, musical, very cool,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I didn't realize it was the NFL playoff ice. No,

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<v Speaker 4>nothing like that. But I didn't realize it was the

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<v Speaker 4>NFL playoff week and I didn't think ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, before before too.

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<v Speaker 4>So of course this thing comes up and I realized

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<v Speaker 4>it's now the NFL playoff weekend, and I say, you know, look,

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't want to go. She goes, don't worry

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<v Speaker 4>about it. It's going to be great. You know, we

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<v Speaker 4>bought these tickets. There are one hundred dollars. You know

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to be fantastic. You're going to really enjoy

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<v Speaker 4>it. And I thought, all right, I'm going to enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll go along.

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<v Speaker 4>So we get to the show and the show's not.

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<v Speaker 2>What we expected.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not any action at all. In fact, it's people

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<v Speaker 4>talking on stage doing an occasional song, talking on stage

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<v Speaker 4>doing it's super.

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<v Speaker 3>Too much Grover, not enough Elmo for Elmo and Ice exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you call it Elma on Ice. But there's the freaking

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<v Speaker 3>blue thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So intermission comes, they say, hey, we got more great

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<v Speaker 4>action for you in the second half. Hang around, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking I don't want to hang around. So I

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<v Speaker 4>tell my wife. I say, hey, listen, this isn't my

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<v Speaker 4>cup of tea. This is not what you sold it

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<v Speaker 4>as and she goes, yeah, I know, I'm sorry. I

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<v Speaker 4>thought it was something different. I thought it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a different type of show.

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<v Speaker 3>Were you just missing ad game though over this or

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<v Speaker 3>is that what's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>So meanwhile, I'm you know, and we lived about five

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<v Speaker 4>minutes away, and I'm missing the Cowboys and Packers game,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, I'm just trying to I enjoy NFL football.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I tell her listen, I want to get

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<v Speaker 4>out of here, and she goes, really, you didn't enjoy

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<v Speaker 4>any of this? I said, no, I haven't enjoyed any

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<v Speaker 4>of this at all. I think it's slow. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the music's not very good, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I'm listening this off. Well, I guess I

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<v Speaker 4>was talking too loud. And I must mention that during

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<v Speaker 4>part of the show, one of the speakers talks about

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<v Speaker 4>gratitude and being grateful. So I'm just having a private

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<v Speaker 4>conversation with my wife's you know, it's an oh boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Screaming in the lobby. No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>Being loud, I mean, you know, just regular regular voice.

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<v Speaker 4>And all of a sudden, a woman in front of

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<v Speaker 4>us turns around and says to my wife, well, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess he missed the part about gratitude. Oh, so she

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<v Speaker 4>has decided to interject yourself into a private conversation. Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>And so I kind of looked at her and I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 3>How many teeth did you knock out?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't, but it just.

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<v Speaker 4>Made me more angry, and I said, we're getting out

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<v Speaker 4>of here now, let's go.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 4>Grab her by the arm, and I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and she goes and we you know, we go storming

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<v Speaker 4>out and I'm not happy.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow, Michelangelo, get me out of here before I punch

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<v Speaker 7>a woman.

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<v Speaker 4>No, And then she says I caused the scene. Well wait,

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<v Speaker 4>but I was trying to explain to her.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, you know, your wife said you caused the scene,

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<v Speaker 3>or that lady said you caused the scene.

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<v Speaker 4>My wife said I caused the scene. But mind you,

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<v Speaker 4>I was had. I had a regular voice. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a private conversation, and this stranger decided to interject into

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously they were eaves dropping into our conversation. She apparently

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<v Speaker 4>was upset because I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Well's yeah, it's a fine line between somebody eavesdropping on

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<v Speaker 3>a private conversation or being so loud that you are

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<v Speaker 3>they are part of your conversation. That's a fine line.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in the eye of the beholder.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, see, I almost need to get a decibel reading

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<v Speaker 1>to know where to come down on.

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<v Speaker 3>This one, honestly exactly. I mean, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>by definition a scene happened, whether you caused it or

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<v Speaker 3>not is I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why we've convened this court of hasty opinions.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is why I'm here. I want to know

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<v Speaker 4>did I cause a scene or was this? I thought

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<v Speaker 4>the woman, you know, the strange woman, was completely out

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<v Speaker 4>of line. I would never introduct myself into somebody else's conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you ever do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Kenny, that's what I was just going to go with.

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<v Speaker 7>You have to think about the person who is standing

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<v Speaker 7>there listening to a couple have a conversation and goes,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm jumping in there. Yeah, I want to get in that.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean that that's some nosy. I don't think you started.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a certain sort of person that said, to

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<v Speaker 3>your right, decides, hey, there's a looks to me a

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<v Speaker 3>married couple. I think I'll jump into the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>their arguments. Not only that, but the superior tone she strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I guess you missed the part about gratitude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, I'll show you some gratitude.

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<v Speaker 5>I uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that that that's one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>She showed her who she is with that comment. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean not, hey, dude, some of us are really enjoying this.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you let up on the negativity? Even that would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what do you?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you mind your business? Ignore me?

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<v Speaker 1>Or stand there thinking boy, this a whole has no

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<v Speaker 1>appreciation for fine art.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't tell me her to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you didn't say anything to her period.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you didn't say anybody who likes this as an

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<v Speaker 1>fing idiot or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, nothing like that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm getting into dangerous territory. How long was this

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<v Speaker 3>uncomfortable between you and your wife?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>It was just like a minute, not very long.

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<v Speaker 3>This wasn't a steely silence all the way home?

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<v Speaker 4>No? No, no?

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<v Speaker 3>But was who made the scene?

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<v Speaker 6>Me?

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<v Speaker 3>Or this woman?

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<v Speaker 4>I argued, this woman created the scene, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, right, I volume is the key key question. I

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<v Speaker 3>just can't see you causing a scene. Michaelangelo and causing

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<v Speaker 3>a scene don't go together. No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad it was a minor thing

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<v Speaker 3>because the whole steely silence all the way home is

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<v Speaker 3>a Oh, that's a rough one.

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<v Speaker 1>She think you want us to know more about the

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<v Speaker 1>show in question, but I don't want to go there.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the feeling you don't want to go there,

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<v Speaker 3>so so I want to either how old was it

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<v Speaker 3>the woman that butted in?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'd say she was in her fifties, tight late fifties.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, that is certainly an interesting personality trait to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, one thing about the theater is I noticed that

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as we sat down, everybody was much older

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<v Speaker 4>than us, and so I was like, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 4>a different type of crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody was older.

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<v Speaker 7>Did that woman look like she might have participated in

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<v Speaker 7>like a woman's march?

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<v Speaker 2>I can see that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that there was a rancor.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was two things that bothered me. Two things

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<v Speaker 4>that ranked me was first of all, I don't like

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<v Speaker 4>having my time wasted, and second condescension. Those two things

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<v Speaker 4>I think bug me more than anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, just not digging the show. I mean, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>that's a that's a tough one. I mean, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>if you're the person you're with is digging into.

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<v Speaker 2>Sat through that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't exactly digging innumerable, but she wasn't digging it in.

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<v Speaker 4>No, so that wasn't Yeah, that wasn't the issue.

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<v Speaker 3>The issue was dreaming that the show effing sucked. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm gonna start doing that when I hear

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<v Speaker 3>people arguing, I'm just gonna jump in them in like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't ask me, but I think I'm with him.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's getting some attention in some circles for people

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<v Speaker 3>who watch Saturday Night Live Saturday Night this last weekend

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<v Speaker 3>that there was so much of the cast of breaking

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<v Speaker 3>up and laughing during sketches. I mean, more than I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever seen ever combined in forty years watching the show

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<v Speaker 3>in one episode. And well, an interesting thing about that, Katie,

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<v Speaker 3>You're not old enough to have lived through the Carol

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<v Speaker 3>Burnett Show, which was a big popular sitcom, like the

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<v Speaker 3>number one show in America back in the seventies, but legendary.

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<v Speaker 3>These various clips were Harvey Corman and Tim Conway would

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<v Speaker 3>break each other up and laugh it. As a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed it, and a lot of people enjoyed it,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's still popular YouTube clips, but it would seem

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<v Speaker 3>that there's a limit to how much that you can

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<v Speaker 3>take based on Saturday Night Live. And we're gonna play

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<v Speaker 3>you some examples. There's some famous Saturday Night Live clips.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean Jimmy Fallon used to break up a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he just for some reason, some people can't

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<v Speaker 3>hold it together as well as other people. And I've

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<v Speaker 3>watched those clips over and over again and cried laughing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so funny him breaking up. But it's just

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<v Speaker 3>like it's a good flavor, it can't be the whole

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<v Speaker 3>thing or something. Ryan Gosling, the host, for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 3>he can't make it through thirty seconds of any sketch

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<v Speaker 3>without starting to laugh. That's an interesting personality thing, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 8>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it is. I don't think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a question of discipline.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, oh no, no, no, no no no. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think so either. But it's pretty interesting that you're

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<v Speaker 3>just so giggly even though you've got the script, you've

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<v Speaker 3>rehearsed it over and over again, you know what's coming,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can't keep from busting up, right, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>well I should have maybe started with this. I've I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a Saturday Night Life freak. I've been so into it

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<v Speaker 3>since the first year. I've watched documentaries about it, I

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<v Speaker 3>watched the podcasts where the old cast members talk about

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<v Speaker 3>various sketches. I mean, just I'm super into Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 3>And Lorne Michaels hates it when people break up, like

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<v Speaker 3>that's his rule number one, do not break up during

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<v Speaker 3>a sketch. We wrote these sketches in a certain way

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<v Speaker 3>to be funny, in a certain way. They'll be funniest

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't break up, do it the way you're

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to. I mean, he he hates it. So I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen this Ryan Gosling thing. Is the laughter? Does

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<v Speaker 3>it seem forced or is it genuine? No, It's definitely genuine, really,

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<v Speaker 3>and most of it makes me laugh because it's funny

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<v Speaker 3>stuff happening. And then he can't come from like but

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<v Speaker 3>there so the one that's getting so much attention. And

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<v Speaker 3>I read the article on the Hollywood Reporter. Heidi Gardner,

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<v Speaker 3>who's one of the regular cast members, completely lost it

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<v Speaker 3>during the Beavis and butt Heead thing and which you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hear a clip of here in just a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, and it's really visual. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>well this is going to come across very funny. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just it was. It was a news program. It was

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<v Speaker 3>like one of those town halls, political town halls like

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<v Speaker 3>you'd see on CNN or something like that. And the

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<v Speaker 3>host is talking to Kean Thompson about AI and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that. Well, Ryan Gosling is over her shoulder, looking

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<v Speaker 3>exactly like Beavis from Beavis and butt Head, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>like the hair, the outfit, the everything like that. And

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<v Speaker 3>he's just sitting there and very intently listening and everything

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<v Speaker 3>like that. And and when Keenan Thompson points out, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>just the person behind you looks just like Beavis, and

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Gosling's looking around, like, who's he talking? But when

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<v Speaker 3>the butt Heead character comes out, who's really got makeup on?

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<v Speaker 3>Honey Gardner turns around and seas him for the first time,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she can't talk for like a minute, and

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<v Speaker 3>at some point the whole thing falls apart and it

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<v Speaker 3>just doesn't work anymore. But uh, and I've got some

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<v Speaker 3>of her quotes about that from a Hollywood reporter I

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<v Speaker 3>could hit you with. Well, let's listen to the clip. First,

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<v Speaker 3>but I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't just.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my gott, are you sious? What I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a valid question.

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<v Speaker 6>No.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, they're a gentleman behind you that looks like butthead professor.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because our audience members aren't as informed on the

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<v Speaker 1>issue as you doesn't make them butts.

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<v Speaker 3>Butt head from the cartoon. He beaves a three. He

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<v Speaker 3>really like to move on and discuss AI. So would

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<v Speaker 3>you like him to move?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 9>The man with the gray shirt and exposed gums, sir,

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<v Speaker 9>kindly move seats.

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<v Speaker 5>She's talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just here to learn about AI, so you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they set to get him out of the

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<v Speaker 3>line of view of the AI experts, so he's not

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<v Speaker 3>they're not distracting. They the person who looks like Beavis,

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<v Speaker 3>whose name is like Ralph, and the guy because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't they don't even know what they're talking about. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never heard of this cartoon, they say. But they sit

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<v Speaker 3>him next to each other and they're sitting the same way,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they're laughing at things. So I have I

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<v Speaker 3>have two comments.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, it's not her fault that Keenan Thompson is

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<v Speaker 1>the funniest human being ever and everything he says is hilarious. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is the audience that they loved it. They're

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<v Speaker 1>laughing so hard they were crying. Stop, there's the end

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<v Speaker 1>of discussion. Let's all have fun, people, come on, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need more fun.

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<v Speaker 3>From the sound of it.

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<v Speaker 7>It also kind of sounds like they might have set

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<v Speaker 7>her up for that, like they hid from her what

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<v Speaker 7>that cast member was gonna look like, just for the

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<v Speaker 7>shock value.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So what I was wondering is because they do

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<v Speaker 3>dress rehearsal right before they do the show, which I

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<v Speaker 3>can't imagine what a long, grueling night that is. They

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<v Speaker 3>do a full dress rehearsal and then do the show.

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<v Speaker 3>But but they didn't put the prosthetics on, and he

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<v Speaker 3>had these prosthetics on his face that made him look like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>butt head is an odd looking human and so she

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't seen him before. And then she turns around asking

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<v Speaker 3>to move, and then and then when she couldn't talk

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<v Speaker 3>for like a minute. But so that was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, a third of the way through the show,

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<v Speaker 3>and Ryan Gosling broke up every sketch. Well, by the

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<v Speaker 3>time he gets toward the end of the show and

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<v Speaker 3>like the sketches toward the end is like, all right, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>can you just I mean I actually was and Henry,

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching with my son. Henry said that ruins

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<v Speaker 3>it when they laugh, and because we watched a whole

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of them, and I mean, there must just be

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<v Speaker 3>a limit to it, because like famously, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>those Carol Burnett clips are the most famous Carol Burnett

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<v Speaker 3>clips of all time of a very popular comedy show

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<v Speaker 3>when they would break each other up. Maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 3>a limit. Maybe that's it. Oh sure, yeah, yeah. The

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<v Speaker 3>odd that Ryan Gosling cannot get through a line without laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like people who cry a lot versus

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<v Speaker 1>people who cry a little. It's just it's part of

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<v Speaker 1>your your makeup. Which reminds me of my favorite conundrum, Katie.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever hit this hit you with us.

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<v Speaker 1>I may have if I have, forgive me, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting old. Have I ever done the I told you

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<v Speaker 1>the one about punching yourself in the face.

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So if I punch myself in the face so

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<v Speaker 1>hard it makes me cry, does that make me a

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<v Speaker 1>tough guy or a.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh, you know, I've never heard of it. That that's

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<v Speaker 3>like Einstein level riddle right there. Yeah, you gotta get

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<v Speaker 3>Oppenheimer on that one. It's got quantum mechanics in it

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<v Speaker 3>or something makes you a mental case.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, more Jack your

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<v Speaker 3>I really like to know what's hot. I just partially

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's good for the radio show. Partially, I

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<v Speaker 3>just I'm interested in note. I like to know if

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<v Speaker 3>there's a super hot band, super hot movie, super hot whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>clothing style, whatever. I just like to know. And so

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<v Speaker 3>the other day I'm walking through the newsroom and Jensen,

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<v Speaker 3>who you may have heard on our show before, she's

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<v Speaker 3>in the newsroom. She said, do you watch The Bear?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, to what now? She said, it is my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite show of all time, not just my favorite show

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<v Speaker 3>right now, it's the best TV show ever. And I thought, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>we ought to have you on to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then weirdly, in the next forty eight hours, I

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<v Speaker 3>came ross a couple of different articles or tweets or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever from people saying this season of The Bear might

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<v Speaker 3>be better than last season. It's my favorite TV show

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<v Speaker 3>of all time. We brought it up on the radio show.

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<v Speaker 3>We got a number of text people say it's my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite show ever ever. That's a heck of a thing

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<v Speaker 3>to say.

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<v Speaker 5>So.

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<v Speaker 1>A story about a guy who takes a trained bear

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<v Speaker 1>around the country playing county fairs makes the thing dance yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it on cocaine occasionally. It's a guy who drives from

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<v Speaker 1>town to town in an old truck, engaging in street fights,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got this charming bear that rides with him.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds terrific solves people's problems. Anyway, We got a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of clips from The Bear. It's actually it's a story.

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<v Speaker 1>About the guy who's like a brilliant, gifted chef and

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<v Speaker 1>his brother runs a Chicago sandwich shop, dies and he

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<v Speaker 1>has to take over the family business.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the broad outlines, or the very basic outline. Cool,

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<v Speaker 3>here's the first clip. This is a delicate ecosystem, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's held together by a shared history, a love. I

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<v Speaker 3>have every intention of turning this into a actable place

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<v Speaker 3>of business. That's funny. The music reminds me. I'd read

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of different places that the soundtrack for the

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<v Speaker 3>Bears just fantastic. That's one of the things that draws

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<v Speaker 3>people in. But I did ask b Willco there in

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<v Speaker 3>the background. The only the only way I can watch

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<v Speaker 3>a TV show is if my kids can watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I asked Jensen. I said, is it okay for kids?

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<v Speaker 3>She said absolutely not. And I guess this next clip

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<v Speaker 3>will make that evident. It's some of the tension in

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<v Speaker 3>the kitchen. Let's hear it, Debra, make sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 9>Don't stop making sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna make three sections.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, They're gonna be wet hot.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sweet, all right, I'm gonna take green tape. Make

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<v Speaker 3>those sections. Louis, I want you to get the sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 3>Put them on the corresponding sections. Yea sweet labeled?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he Mark gonna fire every single chicken we have, please? Okay, Ritchie,

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<v Speaker 4>do you even know how to do pricelel okay marks?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are we on?

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<v Speaker 6>Cakes?

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<v Speaker 2>Get in there?

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<v Speaker 3>What's Marcus?

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<v Speaker 4>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Still working on this?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you tripping for? It doesn't make a difference.

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<v Speaker 4>There's four kicks.

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<v Speaker 3>And still they're not even cut yet.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what.

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<v Speaker 3>I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing them in.

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<v Speaker 3>Five at them and everything, fire everything, Okay, I'll fire

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<v Speaker 3>everything now. I just was finishing Marcus and step out.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to Mark now. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>We're firing seventy six piece, thirty four chickens, okay, twelve

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<v Speaker 1>French fries.

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve mash oh.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing at deli version Gordon Ramsey. Yeah, I'm intriguing. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>heard sandwich from people I've from people have known who

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<v Speaker 3>worked in kitchens. That is a relatively accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Wow, It's like if the Sopranos were making sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll check it out. I'll probably watch an episode tonight.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's obviously, if people are raving about it, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's much more to it than the mechanics or what

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<v Speaker 1>can be described pa Oh yeah, obviously, if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can give a good flavor, if your pardon

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<v Speaker 1>the fun pun of the show with a thirty second clip,

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<v Speaker 1>and ain't ain't that great?

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<v Speaker 3>It ain't that's probably a bad show, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a song you love the first time you hear,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably going to bother you by the third time, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And in being a pigheaded idiot, it took me a

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<v Speaker 1>while to understand that great documentaries are all about people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all about humankind and our struggles and whether it's well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a story about a guy who trims bears fingernails

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<v Speaker 1>at a zoo, and I'm thinking, I don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>particular interest in bears fingernails, but it's an award winning documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Just watch it. It's gonna end up being about life,

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<v Speaker 1>right anyway, do.

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<v Speaker 2>We have time for that? While I suppose the podcast we.

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<v Speaker 1>Can make it as long as we want to, where

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan we got three hours left, no, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>my froat already hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Radio show, came across this Twitter thread that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was absolutely terrific, and we'll post a link for you

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<v Speaker 1>at Armstrong and Getty dot com. It's an analysis of

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<v Speaker 1>how Julius Caesar.

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<v Speaker 3>Started his political career.

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<v Speaker 1>And this historian said he was Rome's second greatest orator

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<v Speaker 1>after Cicero. And here are nine lessons from a brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>early speech of his that made his career take off,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wasn't as a young man. He came from

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<v Speaker 1>a good family, but he wasn't really taken very seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>He was deep and dead.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a reputation as a playboy. He had kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a Matt Gaitsitz's reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>If I may, he.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, I got this idea for a salad. Nobody would listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, raw eggs, What are you crazy? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>In sixty three BC, the conspiracy of Cataline was unearthed.

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<v Speaker 1>Evidence came forward to plots to murder senators, burned the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Rome, overthrow the republic. You can look more

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<v Speaker 1>into it if you want. But the Senate in Rome

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<v Speaker 1>declared martial law to avert the danger and said, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>that the danger is so severe there's no time for trials.

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<v Speaker 1>We've just got around these people up and execute them.

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<v Speaker 1>And Caesar thought that was a bad idea, and he

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<v Speaker 1>delivered a speech in the Senate against summary execution. And

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<v Speaker 1>according to this historian, his speech is a master class

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<v Speaker 1>in swaying a group gripped by fear and anger away

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<v Speaker 1>from acting on their urges. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go through all of this, but we'll do part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Number one, name the emotions your audience is feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of this if to you who are like

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<v Speaker 1>more intuitive, persuasive, You're good at you know, you're good

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<v Speaker 1>at speaking and influencing people. It's maybe a little obvious

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<v Speaker 1>to you, but I just thought it was interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see it. So naing the emotions your audience is feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that you need them to not act on. Chris Voss

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<v Speaker 1>calls this tactical empathy. Caesar begins by doing this in

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<v Speaker 1>order to clear a little room for reason. Quote members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Senate, all men who deliberate upon difficult questions

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<v Speaker 1>had best be devoid of hatred, friendship, anger, and pity.

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<v Speaker 1>When those feelings stand in the way, the mind cannot

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<v Speaker 1>at all easily discern the truth. And no one has

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<v Speaker 1>ever served at the same time his passions and his

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<v Speaker 1>best interests. When you apply your intellect, it prevails. If

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<v Speaker 1>passion takes control, it is master, whereas the mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Is entirely impotent.

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<v Speaker 3>That has been my experience.

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<v Speaker 2>It has absolutely been my experience.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be incredibly unpopular in politics today, where anger

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<v Speaker 1>and passion and yeah is like it's the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that matters practically. Oh, I read another study the other

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<v Speaker 1>day as a tangent that people are much easier to

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<v Speaker 1>mislead when they're anger. When they're angry, you can convince

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<v Speaker 1>them of about anything if it feeds their anger.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, that's an interesting thought, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought, yeah, I kind of got hung up on that

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<v Speaker 1>because I thought, yeah, not only another person can convince

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<v Speaker 1>me of something when I'm angry, but I can convince

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<v Speaker 1>me of stuff that later, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not healthy, it's not good that other person isn't

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of that.

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<v Speaker 3>You're more easy to mislead when you're angry. Anyway. Caesar

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<v Speaker 3>went on to say, you're gonna have a really giant baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a plan for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see. But that's not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Number Two, tell us story as quickly as possible, or several, preferably,

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<v Speaker 1>stories that appeal to the audience's identity. Stories from history

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<v Speaker 1>are good, especially if you're talking to a group, Caesar

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<v Speaker 1>said in the Punic Wars, although the Carthaginians, both in

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<v Speaker 1>peace time and during truces, often did many abominable deeds,

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<v Speaker 1>our ancestors never did likewise when they had the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>but they took into consideration what conduct would be consistent

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<v Speaker 1>with their dignity, rather than what action could be justified

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<v Speaker 1>against the Carthaginians, so appealed to the shared history of

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<v Speaker 1>the group. Number three, make very clear what the story

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<v Speaker 1>means and how it relates to your point. Caesar's point

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<v Speaker 1>in the speech is showing restraint was essential to the

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<v Speaker 1>Romans coming to dominate the world. That was one of

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<v Speaker 1>their best qualities. Restraint is in your best interests you likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Senate must see to it that the

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<v Speaker 1>villainy of Popelius, Lentilus, and the rest do not have

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<v Speaker 1>more weight with you than your own dignity, and that

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<v Speaker 1>you do not take more thought for your anger than

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<v Speaker 1>for your good name. Number four affirm emotions while making

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<v Speaker 1>clear they are not relevant to the decision, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>other voices are actively trying to stir up those emotions

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<v Speaker 1>against your advice. Again, empathy plus reason. Are they trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get us angry? We're already angry. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what he said. Most of those who have expressed

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<v Speaker 1>their opinions before me have deplored the lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>nation in well structured, grand language. They recounted the horrors

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<v Speaker 1>of the war, the wretched fate of the conquered, the

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<v Speaker 1>rape of maidens and boys, children torn from their parents' arms,

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<v Speaker 1>matrons subjected to the will of the victor's shrines and houses, pillaged, bloodshed,

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<v Speaker 1>knacks of arson, in short everywhere, arms and corpses, gore

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<v Speaker 1>and lamentation. But by the immortal gods, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>aim of that eloquence? Was it to make you detest

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<v Speaker 1>the conspiracy? You know, if this is the second greatest

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<v Speaker 1>orator in Rome, then I believe the guy's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta read more. Cisserah, that is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, number five.

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<v Speaker 1>Praise your opponents, good intentions, build common ground with the

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<v Speaker 1>real people you need to persuade.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't do any of that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Not really. And he mentions one of the guys who's

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of it. He calls him a

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<v Speaker 1>gallant and dedicated man who said what he said out

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<v Speaker 1>of patriotism. I know this man's character and such his moderation.

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<v Speaker 1>So he singles out one of his main opponents, praises

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<v Speaker 1>him up and down, and by the way slips in

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<v Speaker 1>in moderation is his greatest quality. It happens to be

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm arguing for anyway. Number six appeal to tradition

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<v Speaker 1>and self explanatory. Number seven cite more history to show

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<v Speaker 1>this is a dangerous precedent going in the other direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Number eight recommend an alternative. He recommended that they have

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<v Speaker 1>the guilty guys all their assets confiscated, and then be

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<v Speaker 1>sent to prisons throughout Italy, probably to await a trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the danger passed, who everybody could calm the f down? Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>then here's the twist, plot twist. The Senate was swayed

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<v Speaker 1>at first, but then Cato the Younger delivered a speech

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<v Speaker 1>in favor of execution. The Senate adopted Cato's proposal and

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<v Speaker 1>recommended Cicero execute the prisoners.

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<v Speaker 2>So Caesar lost.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, but that brings us to number nine. Taking stance

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<v Speaker 1>for moderation can be good even if you lose. Caesar

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<v Speaker 1>probably knew he wouldn't win, but he had an additional motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>Cataline raised an army of ten thousand by championing the

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<v Speaker 1>interests of the poor, down trodden, disaffected at Rome the

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine percent. When Catline failed and died, the poorn

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<v Speaker 1>down trodden remembered Caesar as a champion of their lost

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<v Speaker 1>cause because he was reasonable and just, and indeed he

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<v Speaker 1>became the emperor and then number ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Crutons are the key to my salad. They allow a

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<v Speaker 3>crunch that you wouldn't otherwise have.

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<v Speaker 1>Anchovies are no.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I am staunchly pro anchovy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm disgusted by anchovies. There are fishers, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not or something?

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<v Speaker 3>They are a fisher something?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a fish or a rat, A fish or a

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<v Speaker 1>shoe string.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're a fish. Very salty. Sounds disgusting.

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<v Speaker 4>Listeners, look for the new show I See You through

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<v Speaker 4>the smoke. This is when a blind neighbor teaches Jack

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<v Speaker 4>Armstrong barbecue techniques and wonderful friendship reform.

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<v Speaker 3>What your view on Ben affleck smart guy, dumb guy,

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<v Speaker 3>hot guy, don't care. He's not bad looking, He's all right.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the world's sexiest man once for People magazine, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the last once. He's dead sexy. You can't deny it,

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<v Speaker 1>but he I think.

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<v Speaker 3>He comes off as a dope, which makes you less sexy.

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<v Speaker 3>And in all a.

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<v Speaker 7>Lot of the photos I've seen of him, at least recently,

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<v Speaker 7>he always looks mad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's a drunk, so uh, there's that. Drunks Unless

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<v Speaker 3>you you know, find a way to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Tend to be quite unhappy when they're not drunk.

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<v Speaker 2>So I came across this.

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<v Speaker 1>This was Ben Affleck in two thousand and three talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the future of entertainment, and I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how much he nailed. Michael, we can stop

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<v Speaker 1>this right and restart it? You know, stop now, it's

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<v Speaker 1>completely impossible. Yes, of course we can. You all right,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead roll it.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe that the industry has been too slow to

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<v Speaker 5>embrace and adopt these paradigms. If you look at historically

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of technologies, in terms of consumer based technologies,

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<v Speaker 5>you have like basically share where that introduces the consumer

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<v Speaker 5>to it at no cost, at which point the consumers

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<v Speaker 5>on the hook they figured out, they've worked out the kinks,

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<v Speaker 5>they figured out how it interact with it and how

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<v Speaker 5>to exploit it, and then you trye to feed in.

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<v Speaker 6>The consumer historically has been willing to pay that fee.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think annual subscription based system is one

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<v Speaker 5>that works. You have the music business three point four

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<v Speaker 5>billion dollars a year business, okay, which is largely about

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<v Speaker 5>one point seven million people in the country, spending two

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<v Speaker 5>hundred dollars a year. That same people would spend those

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<v Speaker 5>two hundred dollars a year each year to have us

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<v Speaker 5>access to basically the entire library.

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<v Speaker 1>But just in music.

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<v Speaker 5>And of course you continue to read your subscription because

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<v Speaker 5>you pay for new music. World would be paid more

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<v Speaker 5>directly to the to the artists. You have less overhead,

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<v Speaker 5>you pay no shipping packaging, and you pay no You

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<v Speaker 5>know that there's this mammoth amount of executive at music

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<v Speaker 5>companies that are glowing off a lot of that money.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe that paradigm is the most effective productive. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the paradigm that Adam Smith would most want. I think

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<v Speaker 5>the air inefficiencies in the market now and I think

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<v Speaker 5>they're being worked out, and I think file sharing is

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<v Speaker 5>pushing the industry towards that balance because you know it's

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<v Speaker 5>because of its availability right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, eventually it's just going to be video on demand,

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<v Speaker 3>movies on demand, because bottom line is going to eventually

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<v Speaker 3>affect your guys's pocketbooks if piracy containers, there.

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<v Speaker 5>Is piracyper movies, and it will be it'll be moves

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<v Speaker 5>on demand, but it'll be a tiered structure. It will

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<v Speaker 5>be like if you want to watch it first weekends,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe it won't be available first weekend, but then if

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<v Speaker 5>you want to watch it, you know, you'll pay more.

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<v Speaker 6>And then as it goes to another stage and its release,

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<v Speaker 6>it'll become less expensive. But there's a lot more adoption

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<v Speaker 6>that has to happen technologically speaking right now before people

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<v Speaker 6>can watch movies or at least integrate in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>the PC web connection.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the catechnology is not quite there yet, but it.

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<v Speaker 5>Will be within I would say five years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty impossive. And he drops in Adam Smith in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I changed my mind about Ben Affleck.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know how far ahead of his

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<v Speaker 1>time was, but if I'd been listening to that and

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<v Speaker 1>had some cash around, I might have thought, Wow, people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be streaming music instead of buying it physically.

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<v Speaker 1>I ought to get on the ground floor of whoever's

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<v Speaker 1>doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember what was going on in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and three, that's clear back in like Napster days, wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>it Like.

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<v Speaker 7>That's exactly because I was trying to think, why would

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<v Speaker 7>he be talking about this? But this is when Napster

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<v Speaker 7>and LimeWire were really big for people pirrating music.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Michael, you or someone that you knew, not you,

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<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't do that. Now I've someone you knew used

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<v Speaker 3>to get pirated movies like somehow do you remember how

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<v Speaker 3>they had all.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorts of burning DVD software that yeah, people could do and.

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<v Speaker 3>They would just find him on websites online.

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<v Speaker 4>You could find him online, you could uh take to

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<v Speaker 4>physical media and then copy it. There are things that

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<v Speaker 4>got around the You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Can that same person still do that to this day

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<v Speaker 3>or is it harder now?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can definitely do it today. But it just

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<v Speaker 3>not makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Find point that's yeah, it doesn't make many sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess Ben Affleck's point was what you're calling

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<v Speaker 1>pirrating and and file sharing and all that is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>the way things are going and and and.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you didn't he didn't catch his his uh term

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<v Speaker 3>and for whatever reason, his Boston accent was really coming

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<v Speaker 3>out there. Did he not work as hard back then

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<v Speaker 3>to get rid of his his share where it's wicked

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<v Speaker 3>kiss and smart the share where.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to have the shareware.

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<v Speaker 3>That was kind of funny. Oh yeah, with the sharewere.

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<v Speaker 8>Packy cots, Jimmy's getting He's got shareware for you. You

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<v Speaker 8>give you a floppy diss just take it from him. Well,

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<v Speaker 8>it's another How smart is that Celebrity Wednesday?

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<v Speaker 3>Next Wednesday will do Leonard DiCaprio Idiot or Genius, Armstrong

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<v Speaker 3>and Getty