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Speaker 3: Let me ask you, because you had one of the
Speaker 3: craziest runs with with Loud, right, but let's suppose we
Speaker 3: had a chance to reverse that and you as an
Speaker 3: artist rewind and you as an artist knowing all you
Speaker 3: know now, what was? What would we be a label
Speaker 3: you would sign to? That's a good question.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 6: I do the vodka labels that are right now, either
Speaker 6: either back then or both.
Speaker 7: Back then, back then.
Speaker 8: I would sign to Loud because the artist always came up.
Speaker 7: Big up yourself, I respect and then I love what
Speaker 7: topped us t D?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, did you go when Kitting Drink and Drake
Speaker 1: was battling? Did you? Who'd you go for?
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't really go for anybody, you did know.
Speaker 6: I was just I thought it was just good for
Speaker 6: hip hop?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What? What was? What? Did you? Was you excited by it?
Speaker 6: I was in Vegas right well, this whole thing was
Speaker 6: going on, and I was just like I was entertained
Speaker 6: right because.
Speaker 3: You you uh was that with Mob Deep and Mob Deep?
Speaker 3: I was going into Pog and that was like a
Speaker 3: little bit more serious.
Speaker 8: So I don't know if you know this park was
Speaker 8: my roommate.
Speaker 7: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Wait? Okay, hell hold holdly gonna describe kidding? Okay? You ahead?
Speaker 6: So on his first album, okay in It sco Pie
Speaker 6: and he wasn't on Death Throw. He was on a
Speaker 6: label called that It was Adrian Gregory's label.
Speaker 7: Okay, this is after Digital Underground.
Speaker 6: Yeah, after the Digital Underground and then the Scope just
Speaker 6: started and they hired me, wow to do all the
Speaker 6: street team and all the marketing. So we set up
Speaker 6: a promotion tal oh, I don't want to down Thursday Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so we get back out of late Sunday night or
Speaker 6: first thing Monday morning. So he would stay with me,
Speaker 6: and I was living like a townhouse in Studio City,
Speaker 6: and I mean and he worked. He would come to
Speaker 6: you officely. He would pack records with me and it
Speaker 6: would be me, this kid Fade Dubinet and it would
Speaker 6: be and our assistant Lisa, and it would be this
Speaker 6: us on the floor shipping packing records. I mean, he
Speaker 6: was a worker like he worked his ass off. Wow.
Speaker 7: Wow, that's It's just to be clear for the audience.
Speaker 7: This is you before LOUD. Before I just know.
Speaker 6: It was SRC, but the market was the Stephen Riffing Company,
Speaker 6: not SRC Records, and Loud just started.
Speaker 7: Just started, yeah, but they hadn't taken off yet now,
Speaker 7: so you're within the scope and this is him after
Speaker 7: Digit Underground, he's about to get or he got his
Speaker 7: deal with.
Speaker 6: In Brendan got a baby trapped.
Speaker 7: Right, Wow, that's amazing thinking what were those conversations like
Speaker 7: with him?
Speaker 6: They would he just wanted to work and win, like
Speaker 6: I mean literally he would you know. He we would
Speaker 6: sit on the floor, we would pack records, we would
Speaker 6: we typed the letter, he would sign the name, he
Speaker 6: would put the letter in the envelope and boom.
Speaker 8: He would smoke cigarettes, weed, you know whatever it was.
Speaker 6: We were, right, we were our officers on Melrose and
Speaker 6: there was a fast food There's a restaurant called Johnny
Speaker 6: Rockets right across the.
Speaker 1: Street, right, so we would go back.
Speaker 6: I mean we would stay that until ten eleven o'clock
Speaker 6: at night, then go to the crib. Right, That's incredible.
Speaker 7: Tuesday was was radio day, and then we'd be on
Speaker 7: the road on Wednesday. Did you did you guys maintain
Speaker 7: a relationship after those times?
Speaker 8: So this is what I was going to say.
Speaker 6: So I went to see uh Tony rich from at
Speaker 6: the House of Blues one night with Open Artists. Right,
Speaker 6: I don't know if he was okay, I know he
Speaker 6: was signed him with a face. Yeah, And I'm walking
Speaker 6: through and I get smack in the back of my head.
Speaker 6: So I got a ball tad, So I don't know
Speaker 6: if it's a love tap or if it's a real right,
Speaker 6: and it's him, And I'm looking at me because you
Speaker 6: don't say low, and I'm like, man, I don't know
Speaker 6: where I stand with you?
Speaker 1: Oh talking about yeah? Okay?
Speaker 6: And he goes, are you talking about them? He goes, man,
Speaker 6: I'm just messing with them so I could be relevant.
Speaker 3: Whoa so Tupac saying that about Mom's Yeah he loved them. Wow,
Speaker 3: I can see that too. I can actually think that.
Speaker 3: Actually that's crazy. Has there ever been an artist that
Speaker 3: you had an opportunity to sign and you didn't sign
Speaker 3: and you regret it?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Who Jay? No?
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned this. M okay, m.
Speaker 7: But Jay by himself was an original flavor with him
Speaker 7: down the original flavor.
Speaker 6: No original flavor was on Atlantic. Jay was was Rockefeller,
Speaker 6: So it was okay. Dame came to the office. We
Speaker 6: wanted to do the deal and b MG wouldn't let
Speaker 6: us do the deal because they were trying to build
Speaker 6: their stuff up like it's not gonna happen, and they.
Speaker 8: Wanted a JV. I was like, give him a JV
Speaker 8: and just give us an over. Who don't know JB
Speaker 8: is a joint vent.
Speaker 1: Holy ship imagine.
Speaker 7: Let's let's imagine Rockefeller flourishing under loud.
Speaker 6: But I also had Gotti before, okay.
Speaker 7: Before before Leo and Russell got him.
Speaker 8: And he'll tell you that too.
Speaker 1: Was that after he was with?
Speaker 8: That was it was? It was Mike Gronamo.
Speaker 1: So wow.
Speaker 6: So we were get to sign Mike. We couldn't get
Speaker 6: the sample click right, holy man. So they say timing
Speaker 6: is everything, right, So.
Speaker 7: You're gonna say Mike Drohn before Blunt Records, Yeah, wait
Speaker 7: before and brought him to you.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: So we were in Paris, yes, and I got to
Speaker 3: see one of the amazing, the most amazing shows period.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say hip hop shows. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about amazing show period. Like I watched you know, I
Speaker 3: always picked this up, but I watched Wu Tang and
Speaker 3: nas like no opening the act, just these guys sell
Speaker 3: out the whole arena.
Speaker 1: But it looked like it.
Speaker 3: Look like a documentary. It looked like they weren't there.
Speaker 3: That's how good it was. And I remember one part
Speaker 3: of the show, Rizard stops the show and he goes
Speaker 3: Steve Rifkin. He stops and he bigs you up, And
Speaker 3: I start to think what other artists grew with their CEOs, Like,
Speaker 3: how y'all grew together.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's too many people that exist.
Speaker 8: Me, Me and Joe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm talking about other than you, motherfucker.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Russell and ll.
Speaker 1: Russell, l Leon and a little bit.
Speaker 8: You know, and you gotta go Jimmy and Dre. Yeah,
Speaker 8: every because a dude.
Speaker 3: Look at Dre, even though he's a phenomenal producer, phenomenal artist,
Speaker 3: I do look at his business mind more with with
Speaker 3: with jim I mean that's beautiful.
Speaker 7: Man, right and then oh yeah, you know, and then
Speaker 7: maybe Stout and Nas.
Speaker 3: They don't really work together still, I think they do deals,
Speaker 3: but I don't think they work, but they're still close. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I think that's beautiful, like to grow with with the
Speaker 3: artists and growing time, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 3: get to know each other's kids, you get to know
Speaker 3: each other's wives and things like that. But I was
Speaker 3: so blown away how he was so articulate and so
Speaker 3: like like like I believed him, you know how somebody
Speaker 3: like you knows say something that like about it. And
Speaker 3: I looked at his face and I was like wow.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just him, It was Unable that was sitting.
Speaker 1: There, and it was like, we're like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? I thought that was special? Do you do
Speaker 1: realize how special that?
Speaker 10: In this stuff?
Speaker 6: I mean, we all, I mean risus family right, the
Speaker 6: way I considered Joe family, the way I consider you family.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: We all grew up together. It's like they changed my life.
Speaker 6: I changed their life. And it was just you know,
Speaker 6: and like you know, and the one thing is, you know,
Speaker 6: we never fought over money, and I won't fight over money. Wow, right,
Speaker 6: iized that, so like we could have a disagreement about
Speaker 6: a marketing, but not even about how much we was spending.
Speaker 7: You know, let's do this, let's do that.
Speaker 6: You know, when I got them on the Rage Against
Speaker 6: the Machine tour right right, if we finished that tour,
Speaker 6: to me, that would have been the biggest selling hip
Speaker 6: hop album of all time, right, I mean it was
Speaker 6: a double album we debut. That was that when they
Speaker 6: owned that was Wu Tang forever?
Speaker 1: Okay? Was that when they got bafed for ninety.
Speaker 6: Seven yeah, cool, so, and then we had the Rage
Speaker 6: Against Machine tour, and you know, unfortunately for us, the
Speaker 6: tours started in all the cities that we already had
Speaker 6: on lock Wow right, and we had that you know,
Speaker 6: first hip hop million dollar video right with Triumph and.
Speaker 1: Then Obamatoma Lee Bad. So I'm getting a class back.
Speaker 6: So what happened was, you know, we scanned, which means
Speaker 6: records sold in those days, we sold I think six
Speaker 6: hundred and something thousand first week debuted and it was
Speaker 6: a double album, so it really is a.
Speaker 7: Million two right, so ninety four percent.
Speaker 6: Around the world, number one every country, and then the
Speaker 6: tours without radio too.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Right, the hot ninety seventh thing came right, we got
Speaker 6: hit right, But now I was like, all right, don't
Speaker 6: worry about the tour, it's going to start and the
Speaker 6: videos dropping.
Speaker 8: So you know, we.
Speaker 6: Debuted at six hundred, you go down, and now the
Speaker 6: record starts coming up again and we're averaging around three
Speaker 6: hundred thousand a week. And the tour now we're going
Speaker 6: into the Midwest. Like when I'm saying the Midwest, like Nebraska, Cleveland, Indiana,
Speaker 6: like Marcus that we've never been in marks that we
Speaker 6: haven't sold, and we're talking about thirty forty thousand seeds,
Speaker 6: and if we finished that tour, we would just in
Speaker 6: fifteen to twenty million hours easy.
Speaker 1: And that's just that was just in America. Was that
Speaker 1: all we were.
Speaker 8: Starting, were going to naturally.
Speaker 3: But I'm just talking about the message because because then
Speaker 3: because you know me and you've been overseas a couple
Speaker 3: of times together. But I wish the fans could understand
Speaker 3: how sometimes overseas more kind of appreciates it, like.
Speaker 6: You know, they know it better than we know it.
Speaker 6: They appreciate it because they can't touch it.
Speaker 3: So I want to know the first time you met Woo,
Speaker 3: because it was it was it you met Rizza first.
Speaker 6: I met Rizza thirty ministry for the rest of their guys.
Speaker 6: So I met him on my birthday March second, nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety three. Okay, wow, and Rizzi just I've been trying
Speaker 6: to reach him since the beginning of the year. And
Speaker 6: I'm in New York for my thirty first birthday and
Speaker 6: I'm working out of the RCAA building and I think
Speaker 6: it was on sixth Avenue at the time, in like
Speaker 6: forty third Street, and they said there's a Prince Rakeeen.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm like, you're kidding me. What you
Speaker 1: didn't know Prince Rackeen was VISI.
Speaker 8: No, there was no Riza yet.
Speaker 7: It was just Prince knew him already, yes, because he
Speaker 7: was already an artist that was out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I didn't know him personally. I knew who
Speaker 6: he was, right right. But I say, you were looking
Speaker 6: for him already. I've been trying to reach him. He
Speaker 6: didn't have financering machine like I mean, like all that.
Speaker 6: You know if you saw the show, like you really?
Speaker 8: So he shows up.
Speaker 6: I'm with East Swist from the Alcoholics chelt East right.
Speaker 6: So the office is no bigger than this table right right,
Speaker 6: And he comes and he goes the guys who downstairs
Speaker 6: you might if they come up.
Speaker 8: I'm like, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 6: So you know it was not of them, no, right,
Speaker 6: So I can picture this, right. So they come up
Speaker 6: to say, we got a video, right, yeah, protect your next.
Speaker 6: So they put the video in and they start performing.
Speaker 6: So some guy comes in a jumpsuit, so I don't
Speaker 6: know if he's in the metal, I don't know who
Speaker 6: he is.
Speaker 7: He comes and slams the doors.
Speaker 1: That's that ship comes in.
Speaker 6: It goes out. I've never seen him again. I still
Speaker 6: got a million dollar check waiting and I signed him
Speaker 6: just I don't know if they set me up and
Speaker 6: they hired this guy to come in as an actor,
Speaker 6: if he.
Speaker 1: Really never asked them, if they didn't see I mean.
Speaker 6: Beings like you know, Rizza is like, he gives me
Speaker 6: a smile, and.
Speaker 1: We signed him.
Speaker 7: You know, the deal was done with in like two weeks.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow?
Speaker 3: And I noticed this is a cliche kind of question, right,
Speaker 3: but some people could just see talent off the top,
Speaker 3: and sometimes the tallet has.
Speaker 1: To be proven. Did you no off top by looking
Speaker 1: at I mean the energy, like, how do you not?
Speaker 6: I mean dirty doing his verse to protect your neck
Speaker 6: like standing on the desk. I mean I meant, I mean, wow,
Speaker 6: did I know thirty five years later that that yeah,
Speaker 6: because we take it for granted now.
Speaker 7: But even the name Wu Tang clans sound crazy?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean you know that W to me is
Speaker 6: in the top five brands in music, right. You have
Speaker 6: the Rolling Stones tongue, you have the Grateful Dead Skull,
Speaker 6: you know, and then the wou w you know, And
Speaker 6: I know, so.
Speaker 3: That's what's a fucking amazing, man, this is hip hop music.
Speaker 3: Hip Hop was predominantly at this time was not known
Speaker 3: to cross over, and when it did cross over, it
Speaker 3: was looked like, oh, it's almost frowned upond Wu Tang
Speaker 3: was one of these groups that cross over that no
Speaker 3: one that they never compromised their music. It always stood
Speaker 3: the same, always down the street. Was there ever a
Speaker 3: time where they try to change that? Like now I'm
Speaker 3: talking about not the group I'm talking about who signed
Speaker 3: with BMG and all these other like.
Speaker 6: If they did, I would tell them to go fuck them, right,
Speaker 6: because I never considered myself an A and R guy.
Speaker 6: To this day, I don't consider myself an R G.
Speaker 6: I consider myself a marketing and a promotion guy. Right,
Speaker 6: So you know I own the name Street Team, right,
Speaker 6: and that's all fire.
Speaker 8: I knew how to do.
Speaker 6: Like you know, when I left from Loud to start
Speaker 6: SRC Records, you know, I thought I was gonna build
Speaker 6: Loud Point too, right, but Universal didn't understand Street Records, right,
Speaker 6: you know. And God blessed me with a kon, God
Speaker 6: blessed me with David Banner right with that, you know,
Speaker 6: and then it was like I found something. We just
Speaker 6: moved and I just found some thing where you know,
Speaker 6: Akon had the number one and number two pop record
Speaker 6: in the country at the same time. And who was
Speaker 6: it clapped at? It was smacked that, sack that and
Speaker 6: I want to fuck you.
Speaker 1: And I want to fuck to every Voga records.
Speaker 6: One was with them and then you know the other
Speaker 6: one was with Snoop right and like, and the universe
Speaker 6: was saying, you got to move one of the records
Speaker 6: and I was like, you laughed in my face and
Speaker 6: I said, this will be the biggest shot outs in
Speaker 6: my career.
Speaker 8: I was like, nah, you guys are gonna lose your
Speaker 8: bonus on this one.
Speaker 1: Do you think Akon created afrobeats?
Speaker 6: I don't know if you created afrobeats, but he has
Speaker 6: a big he has a big saying.
Speaker 1: You know, he was promoting going to Africa first.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's from Africa.
Speaker 3: I'm walking around, joking around, joking around. What's what's your
Speaker 3: favorite era of music?
Speaker 8: Nineties nineties?
Speaker 3: You remember early nineties or late nineties, middle nineties or
Speaker 3: just in the nineties period.
Speaker 7: I'm going to say, like from ninety two to you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, ninety two, Okay, that's where who dropped.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, who dropped ninety three? When the Digital Underground drop.
Speaker 6: That's late eighties, late eighties, eighty ninety nine, ninety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what is that? That's when did you do underground?
Speaker 7: And so when you're starting your label and you're saying
Speaker 7: you to go back because it's a big deal, you
Speaker 7: said you trademark Street Team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I trade trade. I trademark Street Team after the label.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I didn't even want a label.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 6: I was like, I was, you know, my late twenties.
Speaker 6: I was making six figures, you know, and I thought
Speaker 6: I was rich. You know, I was cool. I would
Speaker 6: leave the office every day. I mean, if you were,
Speaker 6: but you know, at that time, for sure, I was
Speaker 6: leaving the office every day at three o'clock, go to
Speaker 6: the park, play ballf for two hours, come back to
Speaker 6: your office, do my reports. And and somebody said you
Speaker 6: got to have a label. I was like, nah, I'm cool.
Speaker 6: And they ended up calling my father.
Speaker 8: So I'm in this.
Speaker 6: I'm staying at the hotel on fifty fourth Street, and
Speaker 6: he said I need to talk to you, and no,
Speaker 6: actually I was just saying at I was staying at
Speaker 6: my partner at rich Isacson's apartment, yeah. He goes, I
Speaker 6: need to talk to you. And I'm like, all right,
Speaker 6: I'll have a bunch of you tomorrow. He goes, no,
Speaker 6: come to the house.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 6: My dad lived in Long Island, which was forty five minutes.
Speaker 6: I'm like, Dad at ten o'clock, he goes, I don't
Speaker 6: give a fucket over here.
Speaker 7: Now he put out the first hip hop record.
Speaker 6: Yes, and you know when he when my dad talks
Speaker 6: like that, I really you know, it's not smart to
Speaker 6: say no to anybody. So I take the Long hon
Speaker 6: rail row take the train, and he said, Paul Marshall
Speaker 6: called me. I'm like okay, and he goes, you turned
Speaker 6: down a label. I'm like yeah, he goes, you're a
Speaker 6: fucking idiot. He goes, you know why. I was like,
Speaker 6: you know, it's not the first time you've called me
Speaker 6: an idiot, and just like why, dad, He goes. With
Speaker 6: the company that you have, now, you're doing extremely well,
Speaker 6: but you're only as good as your last contract. M
Speaker 6: you want a brothers, you can get fired and then
Speaker 6: you're left with your dick in your hand. With this
Speaker 6: having a record company, you own something, you're making money
Speaker 6: while you're sleeping right right, And I couldn't disagree with
Speaker 6: him on that.
Speaker 7: But before you get into that part, what I wanted
Speaker 7: to find out is how did you get into the
Speaker 7: street team and marketing side and things like what drove
Speaker 7: you there?
Speaker 6: So I was major lea dyslexic as a kid. I
Speaker 6: don't know how to read it right till I was
Speaker 6: fourteen fifteen years old, Wow, And I was in Jeuviie
Speaker 6: and just I was getting in a lot of trouble
Speaker 6: and my grandfather was living down here. And my grandfather
Speaker 6: was a I don't know what he was, but he
Speaker 6: was a tough motherfucker right. And he called me and
Speaker 6: he says, you got to change I was eighteen, nineteen
Speaker 6: years old. He says, you got to change your life.
Speaker 6: I'm like, what do you mean. He goes, I want
Speaker 6: to be like you. He goes, this is why I'm
Speaker 6: living down here now, don't I don't want to be
Speaker 6: that what I was. He goes, you could end up
Speaker 6: dead or in jail. And he goes going to the
Speaker 6: music business. I said, my father wants nothing to do
Speaker 6: with me. He goes, I'll take care of that. And
Speaker 6: two weeks later he calls me. He goes, pick me
Speaker 6: up Eastern Airlines at JFK.
Speaker 1: Your father's signed James.
Speaker 8: Yeah, my dad's timed James Brownton.
Speaker 6: And we went into the city and we sat down
Speaker 6: with my father and uncle and they said, we're gonna
Speaker 6: put you on the road, so you'll you'll fly back
Speaker 6: to Florida with Grandpa and then from there and they
Speaker 6: gave me around. You know, I drove from Fort Lauderdale
Speaker 6: to make in Georgia, then to Atlanta, Alabama. Don't get
Speaker 6: there's no GPS, no matter, right, I'm just learning how
Speaker 6: to read like so remember, you know, so it's like
Speaker 6: I would call the stations. So if I'm making Georgia,
Speaker 6: I would call the station in Atlanta say how do
Speaker 6: I and literally write directions?
Speaker 1: Then, right, I.
Speaker 8: Didn't I didn't even know. I didn't even know how
Speaker 8: to read the map.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was so but I'm eighteen years old
Speaker 6: hanging out with forty fifty year olds, and I was like,
Speaker 6: let me go to the colleges.
Speaker 7: Right, what are we going to talk. We're going to
Speaker 7: talk music, We're to talk sports, we're gonna talk girls.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 8: That was never really about money, right, So.
Speaker 6: That was only supposed to be three months and it
Speaker 6: lasted three and a half years.
Speaker 8: So when I was.
Speaker 6: Done, I actually got really good at it, and I
Speaker 6: just kept in touch with a lot of the college DJs.
Speaker 7: And when I moved out to LA, I was managing.
Speaker 6: I moved out to LA to start managing New Addition
Speaker 6: and then after that ran its course, I needed to
Speaker 6: do something, so I started calling the record labels.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'll help promote your hip hop records.
Speaker 7: And that's when I put the whole TLD to.
Speaker 3: Hip hop record help promote, Oh promote, Okay, okay, but
Speaker 3: you went to manage New Addition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, al must pushed as you get at that time.
Speaker 1: So this is a great story.
Speaker 8: Did a good story.
Speaker 6: So we're in Saint Thomas, h they're performing at Hal Jackson.
Speaker 6: Remember how Jackson from wbls OOP. I'm sorry, not that old,
Speaker 6: all right, So how jack he was the one of
Speaker 6: the owners of blis Hal Jackson's Talented Team contest. And
Speaker 6: we're flying back from St. Thomas to LA and they're
Speaker 6: talking about how many they went through. I thought they
Speaker 6: were talking about for the weekends.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: They're talking about per day day right. So when it
Speaker 6: came up to mind, I thought I did good, right,
Speaker 6: They said, you were doing that per day and I
Speaker 6: was like, no, I did that for the weekend. They said,
Speaker 6: now we're talking about per day.
Speaker 3: I gotta smell the ass. And because for urs of
Speaker 3: R and B different there are different times too.
Speaker 1: But there was a different times where they had to
Speaker 1: come see you.
Speaker 3: There was no Instagram, there was the count in fantasize.
Speaker 7: They had to go and see you. It was a
Speaker 7: little different things, but.
Speaker 6: That was that was after the new edition was new
Speaker 6: audition was like eighty six.
Speaker 1: How many people in his room? Mighty took your mom's down.
Speaker 6: This is fact, but but but this was a great
Speaker 6: thing with new addition. The reason why I let Wu
Speaker 6: Tang do all their solo records because to.
Speaker 7: Me, the group was always bigger, bigger than the whole.
Speaker 6: So when Ralph wanted to do a solo record, that's
Speaker 6: why we put Johnny in the group and everything else. Ralph, Treasurent,
Speaker 6: we all said, the group will still be bigger than
Speaker 6: the solo.
Speaker 1: So that's how I lay until Bobby Brown started. That
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense to.
Speaker 6: Bobby sold more records, but touring Michael sold more records
Speaker 6: than the Jackson five. But Michael could have toil the
Speaker 6: way that right when Michael went back with the Jackson
Speaker 6: five for that victory tour that you know, and that
Speaker 6: day that was that was the biggest tour in the
Speaker 6: world ever.
Speaker 7: Now, but this is crazy because it makes sense how
Speaker 7: you would have had that foresight to make that type
Speaker 7: of deal with Wu Tang because based on that what
Speaker 7: you went through with new addition total sense.
Speaker 3: But at that time, uh, because I believe Wu Tang
Speaker 3: was on Loud, but you actually let Math go to
Speaker 3: Depth Jam.
Speaker 1: You had to give per mission for that or that
Speaker 1: was that's what he's saying. He got that. That's where
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 8: Because a new edition.
Speaker 6: So when I signed and they gave me, I wasn't
Speaker 6: gonna say no no matter what, because it was about
Speaker 6: survival of the fitish right, So I was like, go ahead,
Speaker 6: if we can match it. I didn't have the money
Speaker 6: to match it, and it wasn't even crazy money match
Speaker 6: match Steph.
Speaker 7: Jams the oar.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but then you had Genius some believe was one
Speaker 6: Geffen Dirty was on Electra and and we ended up
Speaker 6: having Right and Deck.
Speaker 7: So when they already had those deals before, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: that was after Jesse had math had dirty?
Speaker 6: Was that Electra Then when protection Neck and the teacher
Speaker 6: d Man came, def Jam came and got mad.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Now did Leo had to actually have a
Speaker 3: mission for that or well under yes, But but it
Speaker 3: was really that said, you know, this is what we.
Speaker 7: Wanted because that's how you did the deal that it
Speaker 7: would allow those things.
Speaker 3: But but what was the agreement as long as Wu
Speaker 3: Tank get back together, that you'll.
Speaker 1: Be with that. That's fucking genius.
Speaker 3: It sounds so simple nowadays because we've seen so many
Speaker 3: examples of it, but prior to that we have noticeas
Speaker 3: on examples of it. And I never even put two
Speaker 3: and two together with the new additions, right, and we
Speaker 3: take into just.
Speaker 7: Now we could take for granted the fact that had
Speaker 7: you not experienced what you a new addition, you might
Speaker 7: not have done that type of deal. We might not
Speaker 7: have had the Wu tang on the way we have
Speaker 7: them today.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 7: And shut out the new addition though for being a
Speaker 7: part and shout out to Hiram Hicks too.
Speaker 3: It's genius because in a certain way, when you have
Speaker 3: artists that's making these albums where all the artists is
Speaker 3: on the group. It's like they're actually helping these other
Speaker 3: labels to help them promote not only the group, but
Speaker 3: other artists like you know what I mean, Like like
Speaker 3: for instance, ghost Face album, I remember him, I remember him?
Speaker 1: What is the Supreme Client Cells is.
Speaker 3: The other one where Ray Raycorn is right there. So
Speaker 3: it's like, you know it is in your best interest as.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the bigger they are the bigger, right And no,
Speaker 6: forget they would pay us, not Rizzo, but Sony would
Speaker 6: pay us, Elector would pays, would pay us for the
Speaker 6: clear samples of the artists to market the record.
Speaker 1: What the fuck did they about they're playing?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had expertise and I had the blue plane.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know how to promote him? You already sold
Speaker 3: millions of records with them as the.
Speaker 7: Crew, and the branding ultimately helps the group because they're
Speaker 7: all screaming Wutan at the end of the day and
Speaker 7: exactly Wu Tang is on left.
Speaker 3: Did you ever did you ever see streaming? Like did
Speaker 3: you see this coming?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 6: Man, let me right before I got the Florida Okay,
Speaker 6: you know in twenty thirteen, I had my heart attack, right,
Speaker 6: and I stopped working from twenty thirteen to today. My
Speaker 6: Catalog has done twenty three billion streams.
Speaker 1: I called my lawyer. Yeah, on my way, here.
Speaker 6: Me some fucking money, right, Because the truth is I
Speaker 6: sold the company and I think it generated.
Speaker 1: I don't really know.
Speaker 6: The math, but my son said it was like one
Speaker 6: hundred and forty million dollars and this is Catalog, right.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you sold the catalog I sold. I got sick.
Speaker 6: I didn't think I was going to lift, so I sold.
Speaker 6: I think Akon's like fourteen billion at them out of it, right,
Speaker 6: But I am sorry.
Speaker 8: Right, And then you have Joe with lean back.
Speaker 6: That's I think two right, And I was like, somebody
Speaker 6: should throw me something right.
Speaker 1: Very true. I agree with you. Who would it be?
Speaker 8: The universal?
Speaker 1: Universal?
Speaker 3: Universal motherfuckers, get your life together, make sure you break Steve.
Speaker 1: But that's Jamie. I got another one, Jamie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I wanted to pick quick Thomas line, but
Speaker 3: I guess we got to wait for if you could.
Speaker 1: Do it twice. If so, Cassidy, Casside will be here soon,
Speaker 1: explain explain this relationship. So we wait for him. No,
Speaker 1: he let me say it first, and then.
Speaker 7: I haven't called.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 6: So Cassie's like a son to me right. I gave
Speaker 6: him his first record deal with O Neil McKnight. But
Speaker 6: when I had sr C, we threw probably the best
Speaker 6: party in the history of parties two thousand and seven
Speaker 6: at my house. Right after the beat et or so
Speaker 6: during COVID he calls me. He goes, I need you
Speaker 6: to see something immediately, and like please, it's gonna take
Speaker 6: thirty minutes. So he sent him talking to me and
Speaker 6: he sends me this video of a show called Pastor Mic.
Speaker 6: So I watch it and I said, this is going
Speaker 6: to change your life. This is going to change my life.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make a deal for you on tv.
Speaker 2: M.
Speaker 6: And we made a deal with b ET and then
Speaker 6: we discussed. I got a call that somebody said that
Speaker 6: they want to make this a tour.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 6: So Shelby Joyner, who has Black Promoters Coalition called. We
Speaker 6: did a deal with Shelby for like eight nine cities
Speaker 6: and and did extremely, extremely well.
Speaker 8: And now we have this residency in Vegas with Live Nation.
Speaker 1: And now who who is we know?
Speaker 6: Uh By Joe and Dougie Fresh, doug Dougy Fresh, sick
Speaker 6: Rick and then we have Ray and Goals coming one
Speaker 6: night public Enemy Coming, one Night, Akon Coming for a weekend,
Speaker 6: Jermaine and the Bratt one night, laurrange In Too Short,
Speaker 6: one night. That's gonna be for the month of July
Speaker 6: and Vegas. Yeah, we're gonna start off just one month.
Speaker 1: Do you think, what do you Is residency something that's good?
Speaker 8: I think so.
Speaker 7: I mean, look how it restarted Ush's career. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: it's it seems like, I mean, depending on the caliber
Speaker 7: of artists. But the money that, at least in Vegas
Speaker 7: they're giving up for these residencies is crazy.
Speaker 6: That's why we need that. That's why we need to
Speaker 6: do this residency with you guys. You'll make more money
Speaker 6: than you'll love them make in your life.
Speaker 3: You didn't have a residency, But I don't know if
Speaker 3: you remember after all your Becando hit number one, I
Speaker 3: got highed for the like all the Wednesdays of one month,
Speaker 3: you don't remember, Like I kept going out just one place,
Speaker 3: same exact place, did the same exact show. Can't Coo
Speaker 3: in Mexico? Yes, yes, So, I don't know if that
Speaker 3: was considered.
Speaker 7: The rest of that was because these deals in Vegas
Speaker 7: are totally.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so Vegas again, like if you have merged, right,
Speaker 8: And why.
Speaker 1: Is residency so so popular in Vegas?
Speaker 6: Because everybody's in Vegas for the weekend for in those hotels.
Speaker 7: They need to attract the people to get him in
Speaker 7: the casino, and this is what's attracting them. Show no, No,
Speaker 7: it could be weekly, it could be relaxed, buddy, one
Speaker 7: time to make a republic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do it.
Speaker 1: You can do it. We can do it.
Speaker 7: There's people that do it every day.
Speaker 8: All right, Cassidy, ten minutes out?
Speaker 7: Okay, your your your residency once a year.
Speaker 3: You got like because I remember like the residency when
Speaker 3: I first heard of something like that, it was like
Speaker 3: the rat pack type of thing.
Speaker 7: It was like, that's that's the original residenced.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm my bugget no, that's.
Speaker 6: The originally that was Frank Sammy at the beginning of
Speaker 6: Jean Lewis, Sammy, Well you said Sammy, Frank, Dean Lewis,
Speaker 6: Jerry Lewis, and then then there's you know some you know,
Speaker 6: they had their own beefs.
Speaker 3: So so I also remember you had something to do
Speaker 3: with Mary's residency.
Speaker 1: Was that the truth or would you would manage her
Speaker 1: at the time?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was a it was a quick stint. What
Speaker 8: it was quick?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 8: Yeah, they wanted her to replace Usher.
Speaker 1: Wow, and she didn't take it, or she did.
Speaker 6: She had to deal with Live Nation to do this tour.
Speaker 6: So she's gonna do the tour first.
Speaker 3: Okay, and you're I heard you say this a couple
Speaker 3: of times. You're down with Live Nation now yeah?
Speaker 1: What what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 8: I'm round the FID who manages Usher.
Speaker 6: Is probably the biggest management company in Live Nation, and
Speaker 6: he's a good friend. Then he said, come in giving
Speaker 6: you know, an empty whiteboard to do whatever the hell
Speaker 6: you want to do.
Speaker 3: So and so, so what does that mean that you're
Speaker 3: you're more on the concert side. I could do whatever
Speaker 3: I want a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So if it's Cassidy, if it's Mary, if it's like
Speaker 6: if we could get the residency with you guys, I'm
Speaker 6: starting out.
Speaker 7: Doesn't mean you have to live there, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: It just means you're gonna be there.
Speaker 1: Consecution.
Speaker 7: It probably originated like those guys used to have penthouses
Speaker 7: in the in the hotels back in the day, So it.
Speaker 1: Probably started with that.
Speaker 7: That's probably where the name probably, I mean, at least
Speaker 7: he's using a word understanding.
Speaker 3: What it means, so I guess I guess that's the
Speaker 3: point that if it is trying to say, is it
Speaker 3: has to be because you don't want to fly back
Speaker 3: and forth.
Speaker 1: You live in New York. You might want to stay
Speaker 1: there the whole month.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean, like because now we're
Speaker 6: gonna have a good time. You know, my uncle has
Speaker 6: his restaurant down there, so it's like, what's the name
Speaker 6: of the restaurant picking up Piero's. Piero's sounds good.
Speaker 3: One thing I know about Steve, he knows how to eat,
Speaker 3: so you know, I mean, the best, best, the best.
Speaker 5: You got some good eat with Steve Nobles.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Remember you ain't got to blow
Speaker 1: it up, damn.
Speaker 3: Because other people listening, Sonny, Yeah, oh yeah, Oh that
Speaker 3: wasn't no, that wasn't Noble. That was the original one,
Speaker 3: the first None of us knew how to order.
Speaker 7: That what.
Speaker 3: Little things like I don't know if I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was like this the whole time, but it
Speaker 3: was only raw and we couldn't like, we couldn't like,
Speaker 3: we couldn't defrigerate.
Speaker 6: What what was what was what was good? I mean,
Speaker 6: but we were in Paris. Yes, he was eating at
Speaker 6: the final stress. I was like what me.
Speaker 3: And Sonny was I think we were texting each other
Speaker 3: like which one.
Speaker 1: Is what we could We couldn't. We couldn't get the savon.
Speaker 5: Right, guys, don't worry anything. You guys want I got
Speaker 5: that said, I want to stop something that looked like
Speaker 5: fire fresh from.
Speaker 3: By the way, but by the way, that's that's the crazy.
Speaker 3: That's crazy because that.
Speaker 1: Night walking we walked to see Steve. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember.
Speaker 3: Sonny and Diego where where are die Go at? We
Speaker 3: walked to see Steve and we saw NICs right before
Speaker 3: we walked and see it was like a legendary nights
Speaker 3: were like who the point just walks into l A
Speaker 3: and you see fucking nas basketball sitting down there. So
Speaker 3: we're sticking to thee naves. We take a picture and
Speaker 3: then I tell Nas the name of the restaurant. Was
Speaker 3: the name of the restaurant about I came to pronounce it,
Speaker 3: you know my dislexias, and.
Speaker 1: I was like you could get in it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, Steve, and then like apparently
Speaker 3: come other people called me and I was saying that
Speaker 3: that's where I'm at and it's like you can get
Speaker 3: did you get in there?
Speaker 7: Like no one could get a reservation.
Speaker 1: And that's that.
Speaker 3: From that moment on, I knew Steve was a rest
Speaker 3: of guarda.
Speaker 1: You know, they looked at Steve.
Speaker 3: They was like, you know, I tell you this, and
Speaker 3: you tell me if there's this works works out for you.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite CEOs that I got to work with,
Speaker 3: you know me and you are friends. We never actually
Speaker 3: got to work right, but one of my favorite CEOs
Speaker 3: is Leo Combs, and Leo Comes would show me how
Speaker 3: he would walk in a restaurant and he knew everybody.
Speaker 1: When I tell you everybody.
Speaker 3: He knew the guy mopping, he knew the person wiping
Speaker 3: the tables, he knew the owner, he knew the matre d,
Speaker 3: he knew the person that walk you and give you
Speaker 3: the menus.
Speaker 1: He knew everybody.
Speaker 3: So it was a strategy for him because when you
Speaker 3: walk into a place and everybody knows you, it's hard.
Speaker 1: For me for you to say no to that person.
Speaker 3: Like I knew he was tricking me this whole time,
Speaker 3: but then I started to do it.
Speaker 11: I started when you eat it the same at every
Speaker 11: at every time. Look so.
Speaker 5: And a half hours.
Speaker 1: We know.
Speaker 3: So I mean that is a skill though, right, because
Speaker 3: I mean even like even like something.
Speaker 1: Simple like here.
Speaker 3: Back from here, Okay, even when you think of something
Speaker 3: like simple like Cheers. Cheers told us sometimes you want
Speaker 3: to go where everybody knows your name. It was something
Speaker 3: something simple like that. And I remember me always doing that,
Speaker 3: me frequent into the same restaurant. But I did during COVID.
Speaker 3: During COVID, nobody could get a carbo on reservation.
Speaker 1: Oh well, it's not destroying.
Speaker 3: Every like posting it people were like people people would
Speaker 3: hate it so much.
Speaker 1: But I learned that.
Speaker 3: I learned it from the York But I also do
Speaker 3: so is that something you do with your artists too,
Speaker 3: like you bring them to these restaurants and put them
Speaker 3: on or.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a good restaurant, like it's not.
Speaker 6: I'm not that way where you know, I'm not really flashy,
Speaker 6: so I'm not I'm not trying to show up.
Speaker 8: So when I started going to my Tahisa, yeah that.
Speaker 6: Was really after my heart I mean I was I've
Speaker 6: been going since ninety healthy, healthy, so when I had
Speaker 6: my heart attack, No Boos truly a real friend, so
Speaker 6: he would I would come and he would say, this
Speaker 6: is what you have in tonight.
Speaker 7: He would charge me, but he was like your dietician.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking that's fucking fly. He knew you. Oh
Speaker 1: that's kind of ill.
Speaker 3: I think I thought I was special about getting chicken
Speaker 3: pomeago on the cupbo got no movie telling Let me
Speaker 3: just what you're eating. That's that's fucking fire. What is
Speaker 3: your favorite restaurant in the.
Speaker 1: World, in the world, in the world.
Speaker 6: There's an old school Italian restaurant in New York on
Speaker 6: forty third between second and third called Piero's Pueros, that's
Speaker 6: what Pietro's Pietro's Pietro. And then my uncle's restaurant in
Speaker 6: Vegas is called Piero's. Yeah yeah, Piero's in Vegas and
Speaker 6: Pietro's in the city.
Speaker 3: So so it's safe to say your favorite food is Italian.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, okay, there what the chicken pot at Pietro's,
Speaker 6: you had it?
Speaker 1: No shit? And my uncle's.
Speaker 5: Restaurant massive, the one because we go.
Speaker 1: The one on forty third is.
Speaker 5: Crazy.
Speaker 1: Compare it to Raos, Well you like better? I see
Speaker 1: you want you want? Tommy Ma told up in Rails.
Speaker 1: I see y'all.
Speaker 8: I like, I like Beatrix.
Speaker 6: Rails is more of a vibe like yeah, I mean
Speaker 6: you got your reserve table, you have everything, but okay,
Speaker 6: food wise.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you an old wives tale.
Speaker 3: They always said that Raos it was five tables, right,
Speaker 3: they said, no, excuse me, they said it's five five
Speaker 3: on mafia families right, But in Rails they have six tables.
Speaker 7: So you said they had a table for every family.
Speaker 7: That is what you're saying. Yeah, that's no, I don't
Speaker 7: know that's one. I don't even think that's a room.
Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent like how they sell rals, Like yo,
Speaker 3: five Italian families bought these tables and then so it's
Speaker 3: like you like, yeah, so it's like you got this
Speaker 3: experienced where in Rails it's six tables. And I always
Speaker 3: wanted to ask, like, somebody who's close to that world,
Speaker 3: is there.
Speaker 1: A secret family that we don't know about?
Speaker 8: No, I think that.
Speaker 7: Security I have no The Canadians, they would say, the Canadian, Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a Drake.
Speaker 7: You remember we went to Vancouver.
Speaker 1: No you don't remember. No, man, I'm not gonna say that.
Speaker 7: Homie was putting us that.
Speaker 1: I always want to.
Speaker 7: Hell, yeah, yes, yes, yes, So.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna make one call.
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I left the hotel two hours and forty five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: But but I don't know how you all got here.
Speaker 2: You must have been coming from a different direction. I'm
Speaker 2: flattered you guys came. I called Steve. I said, I'm
Speaker 2: guessing no one's coming. He said, I'm almost there.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 4: He called me and said, you guys are all here.
Speaker 2: I was parked on one street, bumper to bumper, four
Speaker 2: feet of water.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't even know how we got past it.
Speaker 2: But I can't believe you guys all made it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't play some games we don't play.
Speaker 2: We're very serious to be here and flattered that you
Speaker 2: guys made it here. I thought this for sure was
Speaker 2: a cancellation, but I'm so happy we made it through.
Speaker 3: The You're one of the you're one of the biggest
Speaker 3: DJs on the planet, right, you got to You got to.
Speaker 2: That's a very big statement. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: accept it, but I'm flattered that you say that. But
Speaker 2: I don't know if that.
Speaker 1: You are true.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that so many people have great
Speaker 3: relationships with you. Is how did how did you develop that?
Speaker 3: Is that something that that you do? You did on purpose?
Speaker 1: So that's something that you developed a long time.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been djaying since I was ten years old. Wow,
Speaker 2: so hm, it's been three decades of relationships. And I
Speaker 2: think at the foundation of every career and every life,
Speaker 2: not to sound over you know, poetic, but his relationships.
Speaker 2: And you know, as a ten year old kid, I
Speaker 2: never dreamt of doing any of the things I've done
Speaker 2: as a DJ. My only dream as a ten year
Speaker 2: old DJ was for my favorite rappers to know my name.
Speaker 2: If you'd have told me when I was ten years
Speaker 2: old that Trench would know my name, I would I
Speaker 2: could have died a happy kid.
Speaker 4: So that was really the only dream I ever had.
Speaker 2: And in celebrating my heroes, I developed relationships with nearly
Speaker 2: all of them. And I think the greatest gift of
Speaker 2: my career thus far, by far, has been developing friendships
Speaker 2: with those who I idolized as a child. By far,
Speaker 2: the greatest gift of not only my career, of my life.
Speaker 3: I like that let me ask me, let me ask
Speaker 3: you to hi, let me ask you a low. Has
Speaker 3: there ever been somebody that you looked up to that
Speaker 3: you was as a ten year old kid and you
Speaker 3: met them and he was like, because I've met plenty
Speaker 3: that disappointed me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The one person that comes to mind, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if this is going to sound cliche if you've
Speaker 2: heard this before, is actually no one in the music
Speaker 2: business or hip hop. Everyone in music and hip hop
Speaker 2: always actually really treated me as their fans with kindness,
Speaker 2: And to this day, when I meet someone new, I
Speaker 2: couldn't even think of a negative encounter. But I had
Speaker 2: one negative encounter with Michael Jordan once as a child.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't a sports fan. I was never a
Speaker 2: sports fan. I only cared about Michael. You was a
Speaker 2: DJ when this encounter happened, or I was?
Speaker 1: I was?
Speaker 4: I was a child.
Speaker 1: Okay, turns hele Okay, cool.
Speaker 6: Cool.
Speaker 2: So the answer is yes, But he would have never
Speaker 2: known I was a kid. I was twelve thirty.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand where's going good.
Speaker 2: Michael I DJ, Michael Jordan's you know, birth Since then, So.
Speaker 4: I'm on a family vacation.
Speaker 2: And someone tells us that Michael Jordan is in the
Speaker 2: lobby lounge, and I think I was wearing the elevens,
Speaker 2: but not the padd of leather elevens, you know, the
Speaker 2: low ones with the net, the gray concrete.
Speaker 4: And then they had the net in them.
Speaker 2: They were like the summer elevens, but they looked nothing
Speaker 2: like the pedal leather. So someone tells me Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: is in the is in the lobby lounge, and I
Speaker 2: go down there and he's in a meeting.
Speaker 4: He's having a drink with a guy.
Speaker 2: And I walk up to him very politely, and I
Speaker 2: thought I thought I could get away with it because
Speaker 2: I was a child. I don't think I would have
Speaker 2: walked up to him as a twenty year old.
Speaker 4: And I said, could you sign my shoe?
Speaker 2: And he said something like I'm having a drink right now,
Speaker 2: so and that was it and I walked away.
Speaker 4: It was the no. It was the only disappointing moment.
Speaker 2: But as as an adult, I can appreciate why Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan doesn't sign every shoe he's asked to sign, so
Speaker 2: I wasn't left. If I was left a little salty,
Speaker 2: then I was not. As an adult, especially when your
Speaker 2: signature is worth however much money, I can only imagine
Speaker 2: you're not just going to be.
Speaker 4: Signing every sneaker that comes your way.
Speaker 2: But that really is the only negative encounter that I
Speaker 2: can even imagine. I've been really blessed. I have found
Speaker 2: that all my heroes, especially in music, have have really
Speaker 2: proven to me why they're legends. And I mean I
Speaker 2: could give you, you know, example after example, but so.
Speaker 4: I think run in DMC.
Speaker 3: I think that's why we always have one like a
Speaker 3: hat like that, you're paying homage to Run DMC to.
Speaker 2: So when I was a kid, I idolized run DMC
Speaker 2: and I idolized Michael Jackson, and.
Speaker 1: I can see them both. Yeah, see both.
Speaker 2: And you know I always thought as a kid that
Speaker 2: everyone I looked up to looked like a superhero. You know,
Speaker 2: as I was saying a minute ago, I was never
Speaker 2: into sports. I was into Michael Jordan for the clothes
Speaker 2: and the speakers. I was never into sports. I was
Speaker 2: into hip hop, right, So hip hoppers were my superheroes.
Speaker 2: They were my Michael Jordan, they were my Superman and
Speaker 2: Spider Man. Well, and so I looked up to grand
Speaker 2: Master Flash Cool Heirk in Africa, Bambada, and not because
Speaker 2: I knew much about them as a young kid.
Speaker 4: I knew later on as a teenager.
Speaker 2: I researched them as a young teen, But eight nine ten,
Speaker 2: I don't think I knew much about them, but I
Speaker 2: knew what they looked like, and they looked like superheroes.
Speaker 2: Cool heirk in the convertible with the speakers. I know
Speaker 2: you guys know that image and flash with the outfits.
Speaker 4: They literally looked like superheroes and.
Speaker 1: Alone on that one, I.
Speaker 2: Was enamored by that, and they later influenced my career
Speaker 2: and how I dj'. But initially I didn't know about
Speaker 2: all that, but I just knew what they looked like,
Speaker 2: and they look like superheroes.
Speaker 4: And then you cut to run DMC.
Speaker 2: Three superheroes times a thousand. You know, if an alien
Speaker 2: came from outer space to this day and said what
Speaker 2: is hip hop? And you could only show them one thing?
Speaker 2: You couldn't show them ten examples, you could only show
Speaker 2: them one thing. I think I still might show them
Speaker 2: run DMC and jam aster J. And if I could
Speaker 2: only play them one thing, I think I might play
Speaker 2: them Sucker MC, because that looks and sounds like hip
Speaker 2: hop to me, and I know that's different with everyone
Speaker 2: that's not fact. But so they were my superheroes, and
Speaker 2: I always wanted as my career grew to to not
Speaker 2: necessarily look like them, but to have a look like them.
Speaker 2: And so I think I started experimenting with hats because
Speaker 2: of Run DMCGM, Master J and Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: I think I were.
Speaker 7: How early were you starting to experiment with the look?
Speaker 2: It gets started in my late teens, early twenties, but
Speaker 2: by my late twenties became really solidified. I don't think
Speaker 2: the boter hat became my signature to my late twenties,
Speaker 2: but I mean every kind of bit of my style
Speaker 2: I could trace back to someone in something where my
Speaker 2: pants really short, that's Michael Jackson. Every little bit is
Speaker 2: some kind of influence in a blender.
Speaker 4: As a kid, I idolized Bobby Brown.
Speaker 2: He's also become a friend, and he just looked like
Speaker 2: the coolest person on earth.
Speaker 4: The leather outfits. I got that from him.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've been idolizing people for a long time,
Speaker 2: and of those people are my friends today, but they're
Speaker 2: still my idols. And I say to my idols that
Speaker 2: have become my friends, I'll say to them, I'll say
Speaker 2: I'll say to Run, I'll say Joey.
Speaker 4: No matter how close we grow, Joey I get, I get.
Speaker 2: To call jo you don't call him Joey.
Speaker 1: I don't quote nobody.
Speaker 3: I call all my hip hop heroes by the hip
Speaker 3: hop names.
Speaker 4: So he has three names, right, Joey Rev.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So, but but i'd say Joey or Run.
Speaker 2: I do call him Run. I don't call him Rev.
Speaker 2: I'll say Joey or Run. I'll say, no matter how
Speaker 2: close we go, I'll say, no matter how close we
Speaker 2: grow as friends, you will never stop being Run to me.
Speaker 2: And I think those two things can coexist. I think
Speaker 2: you can idolize your friend. I think you can look
Speaker 2: up to your friends. I think you can admire your friend.
Speaker 1: I'll tell that to all the time, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: dumb down my fanness, the fact that we're friends.
Speaker 2: I was at a birthday dinner in La two nights ago,
Speaker 2: and it was for one of my best friends, Mark Burnbaum,
Speaker 2: who's owner of Catch, the restaurant Catch.
Speaker 7: I love the flow continue.
Speaker 2: So I walked into the to the restaurant that maybe
Speaker 2: fifty people there a cocktail hour, ready to sit, and
Speaker 2: I run right into nas in ll So they were
Speaker 2: walking to sit. I walked with them, and for the
Speaker 2: next three hours, the three of us sat and had
Speaker 2: the greatest conversation.
Speaker 4: This was literally three nights ago.
Speaker 1: You nas, yeah, make some noise for you and.
Speaker 4: Let's and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's normal. No, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: look in my phone for three hours. As we all know,
Speaker 2: at a dinner that you know that never happened. You're
Speaker 2: constantly checking your text, you're on Instagram, you're posting the
Speaker 2: birthday nothing.
Speaker 7: It looks on his phone right now.
Speaker 2: And every time, every time someone from the dinner came
Speaker 2: over to me to say, hello, oh a.
Speaker 4: Long time, don't see I kept can we talk later?
Speaker 2: I'm right, I'm listening to Ellen nods and I wanted
Speaker 2: to get rid of everyone, because how often do you
Speaker 2: get to spend realities with Ellen NOAs.
Speaker 4: But here's the point I wanted to make.
Speaker 2: Watching the two of them together, these giants, right, giants
Speaker 2: from Queens Giants was such a beautiful thing. I don't
Speaker 2: even know that three days later, I know yet how
Speaker 2: to put in words. I tried to tell them at
Speaker 2: the end of the dinner and I hope I articulated
Speaker 2: myself so that they understood.
Speaker 4: I think they did.
Speaker 2: First of all, watching Nas talk to one of his
Speaker 2: heroes was first of all obvious that it was one
Speaker 2: of his heroes. You could have come in and know
Speaker 2: nothing about hip hop and you would have known something
Speaker 2: was going on.
Speaker 4: It was a beautiful thing. It was beautiful.
Speaker 2: I told them, I said, this has been the most
Speaker 2: touching experience and watching the respect ELLLL had for Nas,
Speaker 2: and you know, I chimed in here and there, but
Speaker 2: I really just wanted to let them go because I
Speaker 2: don't know how many times they've done that.
Speaker 4: And Nas started quoting.
Speaker 2: Songs off of ELL's first album and talking about their
Speaker 2: favorite songs of each other, and you know, it was
Speaker 2: a beautiful moment. But I'm only bringing this up because
Speaker 2: we were talking about being a fan and a friend,
Speaker 2: and you look at those two who are megastars way
Speaker 2: beyond hip hop culture, just global superstars in so many ways, and.
Speaker 4: You forget sometimes that stars are fans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And watching them together and watching them together was
Speaker 2: so beautiful. And I also think that it speaks to
Speaker 2: a camaraderie and a fraternity like environment in hip hop
Speaker 2: that's truly special.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Maybe basketball has it, maybe baseball, maybe sports has it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know, not my terrorists, but I don't know
Speaker 2: how many businesses in this world that exists in And
Speaker 2: it's clearly more than a business. It's a culture. But
Speaker 2: there's such a fraternity and a camaraderie amongst I think
Speaker 2: people in hip hop, and it was a beautiful thing
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 7: Specific you were witnessing a full circle moment between these
Speaker 7: two artists.
Speaker 3: You know, you're known for DJ and some of the
Speaker 3: biggest parties, right not as hip hops in gentlemen, Have
Speaker 3: you e a DJ for Michael Jackson?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: So, Michael Jackson when he died was one. He was
Speaker 2: the only person that I had never met that I
Speaker 2: wanted to.
Speaker 1: You about to say, DJ is a funeral.
Speaker 2: You met Prince, I've met me so so Prince and
Speaker 2: I performed at the White House together.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Talking about so Prince and I performed at the White House.
Speaker 2: It was one of the many times I DJ at
Speaker 2: the White House years of the Obama administration.
Speaker 1: I need to ask, Okay, did Prince invite you?
Speaker 10: All?
Speaker 1: This was Obama administration.
Speaker 2: So I got a call but I guess I have
Speaker 2: to give some context. Please, over the eight years of
Speaker 2: Obama's administration.
Speaker 1: I've never been invited to the White House.
Speaker 4: Well, it was a special time.
Speaker 2: I don't know that now you can feel exactly like
Speaker 2: what that felt.
Speaker 7: A lot of hip hop'st were going on at the time.
Speaker 2: I just think for so many reasons, I think that's
Speaker 2: that was a time that just.
Speaker 4: It was. Yeah, it was a special moment in time.
Speaker 1: And so did you smell weed at the White House?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't, No, No, I didn't. They'll tell me if
Speaker 1: you did.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So I was the first DJ to ever play
Speaker 2: a presidential inauguration, and I was the first DJ to
Speaker 2: ever DJ the White House. So you know, there's this
Speaker 2: guy I forgot his name, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's still there.
Speaker 3: But okay, can I be fair though, because he didn't
Speaker 3: in w a perform there. So when the interview performed,
Speaker 3: the performed the way he went to a Republican party thing.
Speaker 1: But don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but a group might have had a DJ.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, but you DJ is you did the
Speaker 1: party there? Right?
Speaker 2: So the first time I was at the White House
Speaker 2: was actually not the first, the first presidential inauguration that
Speaker 2: Obama had.
Speaker 4: The first, the first inauguration, his.
Speaker 2: Parties were not at the house, Okay, they were at
Speaker 2: a convention center, and I performed live at one of
Speaker 2: those parties. He didn't have access to the house yet.
Speaker 2: In the first inauguration, you get inaugurated January twenty.
Speaker 4: No, I think you move in that day.
Speaker 2: So you could have, but perhaps that was the reason.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's a big convention hall and there's like
Speaker 2: eight different parties going on, so I was like the
Speaker 2: curator of the music for all the rooms, and I
Speaker 2: played live in one of the rooms. But it was
Speaker 2: fairly impersonal, right. So a year or two later, the
Speaker 2: President is turning fifty and I get a call that
Speaker 2: the President would like you to play his fiftieth.
Speaker 1: Birthday at the White House. That big man.
Speaker 2: So I show up at the White House for soundcheck,
Speaker 2: and it was a moment I'll never forget. There's moments
Speaker 2: in your career. I don't even want to say career,
Speaker 2: there's moments in your life life, yes, where you just
Speaker 2: say how.
Speaker 4: Did I get here?
Speaker 2: You know that song by Talking Heads once in a lifetime,
Speaker 2: And I asked myself how did I get here? As
Speaker 2: the days go right right, so I walk in, I
Speaker 2: go how did I get here? And at that at
Speaker 2: that point, I think I left that night saying this
Speaker 2: was the greatest night of my life because I felt
Speaker 2: that what I did had a little meaning. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wasn't the leader of the free world, but I
Speaker 2: just thought that I left with a little more meaning
Speaker 2: than I had gone in.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, does the president pay?
Speaker 4: I did not accept money from the president.
Speaker 3: But did he say you want the bag or you
Speaker 3: just the first one would have been the DNC. I
Speaker 3: can't second one.
Speaker 2: I can't speak for others, but I never accepted money
Speaker 2: from the president.
Speaker 4: For me, it was an honor they had that the
Speaker 4: thing that you got in.
Speaker 3: Friends as funny as that.
Speaker 5: I want to know that.
Speaker 7: So did it take care of travel at least?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Of course travel and equipment.
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is is my sound guy at
Speaker 2: the time he fully outfitted the White House. So years
Speaker 2: later when the party with prints happened, it's my sound
Speaker 2: guy outfitt this out.
Speaker 1: Like these were.
Speaker 2: Full on parties, full on parties. So what unfolded that
Speaker 2: night after I walked in? I was not even prepared
Speaker 2: for Okay, I'm.
Speaker 4: About to go on.
Speaker 2: And when I say go on, if you're looking at
Speaker 2: the White House, if you can picture the pillars right,
Speaker 2: there's windows.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the room's called.
Speaker 2: I did it ten times, but this is the last
Speaker 2: room on the left, the last window on the.
Speaker 7: Left, Lincoln Room.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: We're not so we're not.
Speaker 2: So we're not talking about a tent or in a
Speaker 2: dndum event area.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the White House.
Speaker 7: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Eleanor Roosevelt designed rooms in the White House, the Blue Room,
Speaker 2: Green Room, Yellow Room, in Red room years ago and
Speaker 2: now they're where the tourists go to see. You see
Speaker 2: the Red room, the Blue room, and next to all
Speaker 2: these rooms is the party room. Coincidentally, the red room
Speaker 2: was the green room, meaning the dressing room.
Speaker 4: So I'm in this red room and.
Speaker 2: I call my grandmother at that time, eighty years old Holocaust,
Speaker 2: you know, survivor came to America with nothing, and I say.
Speaker 1: Mama, guess where I am.
Speaker 4: And she knows, obviously, she says where And I.
Speaker 2: Said, I'm in the Red Room at.
Speaker 4: The White House.
Speaker 2: And you could just hear her having chills down her spine,
Speaker 2: and at that moment I knew that this night, if
Speaker 2: I never did it again, if I never came here again,
Speaker 2: this moment was special. So I get a tap on
Speaker 2: the shoulder and someone says, hi, DJ Cassidy, Stevie Wonder
Speaker 2: would like to talk to you. So I immediately say,
Speaker 2: why is anyone asking my permission for Stevie Wonder to
Speaker 2: come say hello to me?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: Yes, can he please? Where is he? I'll go, hello, Steve.
Speaker 1: He saw you on his way in.
Speaker 2: So already this is starting off bizarre, like overly polite,
Speaker 2: like you know, strange, like.
Speaker 4: Why are you asking it?
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder, of course come interrupt my phone call. I
Speaker 2: literally said, Mama, I'll call you back. I got to
Speaker 2: talk to Stevie Wonder. So Stevie comes up. So let
Speaker 2: me paint this picture. I'm in the Red Room. It's
Speaker 2: a famous room, you can google it, very Louis the
Speaker 2: sixteenth or.
Speaker 4: Nate Versailles, like all gold, red.
Speaker 2: And the party people are in this room right to
Speaker 2: my left, five hundred people and the president is on
Speaker 2: stage thinking Janelle mone for performing, about to bring me on,
Speaker 2: but very casual. This is not a black tie event.
Speaker 2: This was like Sunday afternoon vibes. So Stevie comes up
Speaker 2: to me and goes DJ Cassidy. So I was thinking
Speaker 2: we could do some I've done things with him at
Speaker 2: this point before.
Speaker 4: So he goes Cassidy.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, maybe we could collaborate and I'll come
Speaker 2: on and sit at the keyboard and surprise the President.
Speaker 2: I said, I'd love that. So he goes, maybe I'll
Speaker 2: just do sign Sealed Delivered? Could you drop a beat
Speaker 2: to that? So I'm thinking I have a solid fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes to prepare. What beat I'm gonna loop in serato
Speaker 2: for him to play sign Sealed Delivered.
Speaker 4: That fifteen minutes was fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2: Stevie walks on stage with the guy you know that
Speaker 2: holds his hand, and the next thing you know, the
Speaker 2: President goes, oh, looks like we have a guest unexpected
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder. And Stevie Wonder sits at the keyboard and
Speaker 2: I follow him. I don't know what I'm about to do,
Speaker 2: so I have about thirty seconds to say to myself,
Speaker 2: what beat?
Speaker 1: I just caught that he followed Stevie or stage.
Speaker 2: I followed Stevie on stage because he.
Speaker 4: Wanted me to jam with him.
Speaker 1: Literally stee moddy, so.
Speaker 5: Very independent.
Speaker 2: Yes, So Stevie was being got it, and I knew
Speaker 2: that if I wasn't there, he wouldn't realize I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: He thought I was ready to rock with him. So
Speaker 2: in thirty seconds, I'm thinking, what the hell am I going.
Speaker 1: To do with sign Sealed Delivered?
Speaker 2: So the President still talking, The President now announces Stevie
Speaker 2: Wonder and DJ Cassidy and he plays the first chords
Speaker 2: to sign Sealed Delivered Dan and I pull up Billy
Speaker 2: Squire Big Beat, praying that I have those first four
Speaker 2: bars looped on serato, not looped so I'm sure you
Speaker 2: guys know, but for those listening, Billy Squire Big Beat
Speaker 2: is a song from the seventies, a rock song that
Speaker 2: was first made famous when run DMC used it.
Speaker 4: For here we Go, Here we Go, Here we Go,
Speaker 4: Here we Go, Here Here, Here we Go and.
Speaker 2: Run DMC's performance of here we Go was never recorded
Speaker 2: in a studio, was recorded live at the Fund and
Speaker 2: you can hear Jim Master j going back and forth
Speaker 2: every four bars, and I think there's one or two
Speaker 2: times he kind of messes it up, but he catches
Speaker 2: it r Wow, and then Rick Rubin used it for
Speaker 2: ninety nine problems, so I know it's about the same
Speaker 2: tempo as sign Seal Delivered.
Speaker 12: Right, So Stevie starts singing as that is pretty so long.
Speaker 12: That is still wrong. Baby here here, I am sign
Speaker 12: sealed delivered. I'm yours pool boo boo boo boo boo
Speaker 12: boo boo, poo boo boo.
Speaker 2: And I do that for the next five minutes while
Speaker 2: he not only performs sign Sealed Delivered, but an extended,
Speaker 2: improvised version of sign seals so I can picture it
Speaker 2: like it was yesterday. He's right here, everyone's right here,
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of tilted. They were gonna move me
Speaker 2: out straight. I was on wheels, but because he was there,
Speaker 2: now I'm tilted and I'm cutting up this song, praying
Speaker 2: that I just stay on, you know, on beat. Every
Speaker 2: four bars. Stevie's rocking, and I kind of turned to
Speaker 2: my right. I didn't wear glasses then, so it's probably easier.
Speaker 2: And I see Jay Z and Chris rock the White
Speaker 2: House still and they're nodding their head. You know that
Speaker 2: mean face you make at the studio when you like
Speaker 2: a beat. You know that face and the head nod
Speaker 2: there boom, and I look at them and they see
Speaker 2: me seeing them, and at that moment.
Speaker 4: All the pressure went off.
Speaker 2: Then I was rocking when I saw that, and it
Speaker 2: was one of the greatest moments in my life.
Speaker 1: That's okay in there and it wasn't like the street party.
Speaker 1: Where are you segueing to that?
Speaker 3: He said, this Babo story cot in the way he said,
Speaker 3: Stevie dropped.
Speaker 1: Steve dropping.
Speaker 4: Yo, listen on the way one listen.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what's crazy about Stevie wonder we
Speaker 3: have so many people who come on the show.
Speaker 1: He love Steve.
Speaker 3: Be one of the stories if you have so many,
Speaker 3: because Shack is still the best that Jack said, that's.
Speaker 1: What he was like. He believed like it was believable
Speaker 1: the way he said it.
Speaker 3: Jack said he got in the elevator with Stevie, wasn't
Speaker 3: by himself.
Speaker 1: Just must say. He pressed the butt. He said, what's up,
Speaker 1: Shack up? Yeah, and I think he said he present.
Speaker 4: But after.
Speaker 3: Walking the snow the Rosley said. Roy said he saw
Speaker 3: Stevie walking across the street street on the busy street,
Speaker 3: and he said he went, they went and got him,
Speaker 3: but we right I forget, I forget exactly what he was.
Speaker 2: Everyone a Stevie story that transcends logic because he's actually
Speaker 2: not a logical person.
Speaker 4: But there are really if you think about it.
Speaker 1: Just then doctor called him at five am.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's he's not.
Speaker 2: But that's why there's very few artists that that have
Speaker 2: this level of genius. So it makes sense that most
Speaker 2: of the stories we hear are beyond you know, daily logic,
Speaker 2: because his whole being is is is a superhuman.
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to talk about a different super human. Recently,
Speaker 3: a friend of mine is just released his trailer to
Speaker 3: a movie. Uh, he made me a lego character. His
Speaker 3: name is will What is what is your connection with
Speaker 3: Harrel Williams.
Speaker 2: I've known Pharrell for years and actually Pharrell called on
Speaker 2: me to DJ his three three of his closest friend's weddings,
Speaker 2: DJ Shay's wedding from N E r D and two
Speaker 2: other very close people in his life. So I've known
Speaker 2: Pharrell throughout the years. He's been a supporter of my
Speaker 2: career and on various occasions that were important to him.
Speaker 2: I was kind of his gift to the wedding, which
Speaker 2: is very flattering, I mean and never. I take that
Speaker 2: responsibility very seriously. Get I get nervous to DJ parties
Speaker 2: to this day, especially if it's for someone whom I admire.
Speaker 2: You know, when Pharrell calls you to DJ a party,
Speaker 2: Farrell could call any DJ, and any DJ would go,
Speaker 2: would jump at the opportunity.
Speaker 1: As do I.
Speaker 2: And so when anyone of that stature, with critical ears,
Speaker 2: with extremely critical ears, who most people on Earth hold
Speaker 2: on a very high pedestal, We're not just talking about
Speaker 2: your average producer, someone who's commonly thought of as the
Speaker 2: ears you want to respect you. So when he calls
Speaker 2: me for a wedding of his three best friends, it's
Speaker 2: something I take very seriously. But I could say that
Speaker 2: across the board, whether it's the White House or fell
Speaker 2: or anyone of that nature.
Speaker 4: Beyonce, Beyonce and Jay.
Speaker 7: You worked with them both.
Speaker 4: I did their wedding.
Speaker 1: That's fucking awesome. What kind of DNA?
Speaker 7: What is that?
Speaker 1: NDA? You had to sign for that? And DA?
Speaker 2: I mean it was a long time agoing now, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I just I'm known for reading things over and over
Speaker 2: and not signing them on site. I'm sure I just
Speaker 2: signed it. I do remember I didn't bring anyone I
Speaker 2: was asked not to bring like a side man or
Speaker 2: like a tech. I think I might have been able
Speaker 2: to bring my tech to sound check. It was at
Speaker 2: their apartment in Tribeca. It was very small, you know,
Speaker 2: like you got to understand, no matter how big your
Speaker 2: apartment is in Manhattan, it's still an apartment, right, It's
Speaker 2: still not a house. Okay, So I think I might
Speaker 2: have brought someone for sound check, but no one at night,
Speaker 2: and I remember it being like a marathon, like I
Speaker 2: must have got there and ate. But here's the funny thing.
Speaker 2: So the only photo of that wedding is me walking
Speaker 2: into the lobby. So apparently they sent me a car
Speaker 2: to pick me up in my apartment. The car never
Speaker 2: showed up, so I took a taxi.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get this correct. Did you us just
Speaker 1: say you took a taxi?
Speaker 2: I took a taxi to their weddings because the car
Speaker 2: service never showed up and I didn't want to be late.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be late, so I left the
Speaker 2: apartment hailed a taxi. This was way before any apps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: All the celebrities are directed from the car services on
Speaker 2: where to go.
Speaker 4: So down the garage.
Speaker 2: Right, So all the paparazzi shots or of the celebrities
Speaker 2: like through the SUVs. But the one shot they have
Speaker 2: of the whole wedding is me walking in the front
Speaker 2: door of the main lobby in my like black velvet texto.
Speaker 4: I took a tax.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Had I not done that, there would have been you know,
Speaker 4: no first song was Was.
Speaker 3: There any black class from them? They're like, oh, nah, okay, now,
Speaker 3: so okay.
Speaker 2: I've done so many events, you know my mouth was
Speaker 2: you know, I never had a big mouth at these things.
Speaker 4: I mean that was part of why I was there.
Speaker 3: It was getting high. Okay, one person around a little bit.
Speaker 3: One thing I know is very private people.
Speaker 1: So how do you get this call? And then how
Speaker 1: do you get the first time you got to work with?
Speaker 2: Right? So I think this was anyone could google it.
Speaker 2: But I think they got married in two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven or was it fourteen?
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I'm thinking it was seven. No,
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't fourteen. I think it was seven. I think
Speaker 2: it was seven.
Speaker 4: It was seven.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about when you got married, sir, And I.
Speaker 4: Think it was April fourth.
Speaker 2: I think they're two thousand and eight April fourth, and
Speaker 2: I think they're lucky. Number is four, so was the fourth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's four to four and blue Ivy ivy is
Speaker 2: a four.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: So I had already been djaying Jay's parties for at
Speaker 2: least five years. Wow, So I got my first call
Speaker 2: from J. I think I was still in school, so
Speaker 2: I must have been maybe twenty. And so I would
Speaker 2: dj all all his parties, his birthdays, then Beyonce's parties
Speaker 2: when he threw them the forty forty club opening in
Speaker 2: Atlantic City and Vegas and all of those and college. Heah,
Speaker 2: I was in college at that point, and so I
Speaker 2: had been doing all his parties. So the call to
Speaker 2: do his wedding was not at all abnormal.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was. It was not abnormal at the time.
Speaker 2: But still, as I say, you know about all these things,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say the same thing every time. Granted,
Speaker 2: look that's the two greatest entertainers of our time. Mind you,
Speaker 2: this is now fifteen years later, even more the greatest
Speaker 2: entertainers of all times.
Speaker 4: Right, Like we knew then, but you know now right,
Speaker 4: and you know they could have anyone, you know, anyone.
Speaker 2: And also This wasn't a wedding where they bring out
Speaker 2: you know, this R and B singer to sing the
Speaker 2: first dance and this band to do now it was
Speaker 2: it was literally just me, wow and control the entire
Speaker 2: party from beginning to end.
Speaker 1: How do you approach that playlist? Do they tell you
Speaker 1: you too?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think there was any talk of music
Speaker 2: other than like the first dance and the entrance song,
Speaker 2: like those songs you know that the bride and room choose.
Speaker 2: I think there was no discussion of music because I
Speaker 2: had been doing this with him now for years. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think they were coming to me to direct it.
Speaker 2: I think they were coming to me for me, you know,
Speaker 2: to do me right. But i'm you know, still to
Speaker 2: this day, and I I mean, I swear to God,
Speaker 2: I think about this sometimes, like when I go to
Speaker 2: her concerts, right like the Renaissance Store, I think about it.
Speaker 2: I sit there thinking about it. I DJ their wedding.
Speaker 2: It still feels like a very big deal to me.
Speaker 2: I don't let those things. I don't allow myself to
Speaker 2: become jaded. I actually keep those memories as memories that
Speaker 2: continue to inspire me and hype me up because the
Speaker 2: two greatest entertainers in the world.
Speaker 4: Could really call anyone.
Speaker 2: You know, their rolodex doesn't exist because they can get
Speaker 2: everyone's number. And so you know, I was as honored
Speaker 2: then as I am now. In fact, I think I'm
Speaker 2: more honored now by the memory. I think then I
Speaker 2: was probably just so in it. But now when I
Speaker 2: look back, I say, damn, you know, thirty people at
Speaker 2: that party.
Speaker 1: Sounds rich to be. Let me. Let me just look.
Speaker 3: I've been analyzing all night. I want to see if
Speaker 3: I'm correct. Is that the Cardia nail and is that
Speaker 3: the Cardia panther?
Speaker 4: No, so there's no I'm not wearing one name brand.
Speaker 1: Okay, break this down for me.
Speaker 4: So the only thing I'm wearing this is very dev
Speaker 4: I respect it, thank you.
Speaker 2: So the only thing that's name brand that I'm wearing
Speaker 2: is my sneakers air Force ones okay, just white air
Speaker 2: Force one so so oh, and Polo Polo shirt. But
Speaker 2: the suit is custom made. I have all my suits
Speaker 2: made on my stage, attire made. Contrary to what many
Speaker 2: people think, it's not more expensive than buying fancy name
Speaker 2: brand clothes.
Speaker 4: It's not at all. But it's not a money thing.
Speaker 4: It's a fit thing.
Speaker 2: It's I never want to walk on stage or walk
Speaker 2: into a party and someone else has my suit that
Speaker 2: they bought at tom Ford or Gucci. And also the
Speaker 2: crazy you know, the crazy ship I wear I could
Speaker 2: never even find in a store. You know, I'm tall
Speaker 2: and skinny. My body never fit things growing up. You know,
Speaker 2: my posture was always bad. I was lanky. I could
Speaker 2: never fit a suit or a tuxedo. So over the
Speaker 2: years I started custom making clothes. So and I buy
Speaker 2: all my fabrics. So I literally like, if someone ever
Speaker 2: says to me, what do you do besides music, I say,
Speaker 2: I make clothes, But I don't make clothes.
Speaker 1: To sell them.
Speaker 2: I don't go to fashion shows. I know nothing about
Speaker 2: the brands on Fifth Avenue. I know very little about
Speaker 2: about the fashion industry.
Speaker 1: Fashion oval.
Speaker 2: I actually would though. You know, the things I do
Speaker 2: buy are cheap, too expensive, there's no there's no rhyme
Speaker 2: or reason. But really most of what I buy are basics,
Speaker 2: the Air Force ones, the polos. But I have fun
Speaker 2: going to the fabric store. All the fabrics I choose,
Speaker 2: the fabric, I choose the buttons. The jewelry is vintage
Speaker 2: that I either bought.
Speaker 5: I didn't care.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the brooch, so the broke. Oh I should
Speaker 2: have said the glasses are name brand, but the the
Speaker 2: brooch and the cuffs are straight vintage stores, antique stores,
Speaker 2: flea markets, estate sales.
Speaker 1: Don't say flee marketers. He's gonna go crazy and but
Speaker 1: but that's what I do. That's what I do. I
Speaker 1: don't think we give him a bow. He goes to
Speaker 1: the bad it's a different free market. He's a.
Speaker 5: Different market. I can already tell that we've been in
Speaker 5: the same.
Speaker 4: I could give you all the spots.
Speaker 7: You know, they used to be a show you got
Speaker 7: shopping together.
Speaker 1: That's so weird that a state sales champion.
Speaker 2: State sales is where you find all the heat because
Speaker 2: the rich old women die.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: People don't know he said when he said, that's people
Speaker 7: that passed and they're selling.
Speaker 1: Off the estate.
Speaker 4: I don't wear a name brand jewelry.
Speaker 2: Nothing is expensive, nothing is real gold or diamonds.
Speaker 1: It's costume jewelry, right, it's costume jewelry.
Speaker 2: I don't walk around with anything expensive, and it's not
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with money. It's just what
Speaker 2: I like I like vintage costume jewelry. The hats are
Speaker 2: all custom made, and I started wearing Boater hats. It
Speaker 2: was I experimented with hats for many years. And so
Speaker 2: there was this hat store in New York where I
Speaker 2: grew up on thirty second and Fifth called JJ Hat Center.
Speaker 1: I used to have a studio on thirty second of Madison.
Speaker 4: So you must know that store was there forever small store.
Speaker 4: So this store was like the classic men's hat store.
Speaker 2: And every time I would go in there, they'd give me,
Speaker 2: you know, something that looked like a run DMC or
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson felterstr And there was always this straw, stiff, thick.
Speaker 4: Boater hat with this brim that was like a it
Speaker 4: was like hard, like a.
Speaker 2: Fucking, you know, weapon, and it looked very old school
Speaker 2: in a stately and I thought maybe I could like
Speaker 2: kind of transform that and it would give me this
Speaker 2: kind of like classic thing, but I would do it,
Speaker 2: you know, in a different way, in a hip hop way,
Speaker 2: or just in a different, you know, modern way. So
Speaker 2: I start experimenting with the boter had it became my signature.
Speaker 1: But then as.
Speaker 2: Styles evolved, I wanted a larger brim. So the machines
Speaker 2: in America can only make the two inch brim, so
Speaker 2: the three inch brim has to be customye. But there's
Speaker 2: only one machine in the world that can make a
Speaker 2: three inch boter hat because of the way the quirk is,
Speaker 2: and that's in Florence, Italy, and one old man has
Speaker 2: that machine, and when he.
Speaker 4: Dies it's a rat.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So I ordered these hats and you get them when
Speaker 2: you get them, and sometimes you never do. And the
Speaker 2: man's literally an eighty year old man making them in
Speaker 2: this one machine that can make make them he can,
Speaker 2: and then the wrong sizes come and they're all padded.
Speaker 2: So it's a triple layer. You see one, two, three
Speaker 2: layers of cork three inch brim hat, So no one
Speaker 2: really has the three inch.
Speaker 4: I mean a straw boater hat. It's kind of a unique.
Speaker 4: I never knew that's what that was. Cool called the
Speaker 4: boter hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never knew that. I never knew. So let
Speaker 1: me ask you.
Speaker 3: You've been all over the world, what is one of
Speaker 3: the strangest places you ever performed?
Speaker 4: At Kazakhstan?
Speaker 1: You ain't performing Borax country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's nothing like present, which is why that
Speaker 2: country tried to sue him.
Speaker 4: I mean with the whole country.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were highly offended for.
Speaker 2: The whole country. Yeah, the whole country. Okay, But one
Speaker 2: interesting thing in Kazakhstan is that they eat horse.
Speaker 7: Excuse me, there's not the only country, though, there's other countries.
Speaker 4: It was the first one that I had been.
Speaker 2: So I go to this country to DJ a black
Speaker 2: tie gala like what you would imagine. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of an American example, but they're all like European
Speaker 2: galas that would acquaint to that, you know, like a
Speaker 2: gala in can Am Far but in Kazakhstan. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm seated, I'm a guest before I go on stage,
Speaker 2: and every single portion of the meal was horse meat.
Speaker 2: So that was a bizarre experience.
Speaker 1: Walked, walked the horse.
Speaker 7: This is your office.
Speaker 4: Have you ever had kasaks?
Speaker 7: Have you had then the horse?
Speaker 3: The former US s are No, okay, we had him
Speaker 3: speak about it earlier.
Speaker 7: I had buffalo, buffalo, buffalo wings.
Speaker 3: You were you were going to say something, sir, Oh no, no,
Speaker 3: no oh, yeah, So we spoke about Steve. You spoke
Speaker 3: about it earlier. But how did you come up with this?
Speaker 3: Past of my idea. Was it during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in April twenty twenty, early pandemic, early when
Speaker 2: no one really knew what was going on. When I was,
Speaker 2: you know, cleaning my groceries with Clorox wipes, that whole era,
Speaker 2: I was facetiming one night with my friend and mentor,
Speaker 2: Verdeen White of Earth Wind and Fire, whom I mentioned
Speaker 2: earlier when we started Nice Floors continue, And so Verdeen
Speaker 2: has been a hero of mine as far back as
Speaker 2: I can remember, and I can tell you the story
Speaker 2: about how we met after.
Speaker 4: But he and I go to dinner every now and then,
Speaker 4: once every couple of months.
Speaker 2: So I called him to check in on him in
Speaker 2: this crazy time, and we were facetiming. Now, for those
Speaker 2: who know Verdeen, everything I say about my clothes and
Speaker 2: my fashion, he's times a thousand. I mean, he's the originator.
Speaker 2: He's the originator. And so I FaceTime him and he's
Speaker 2: sitting on his couch and like red silk pajamas, looking
Speaker 2: like verdein White should And while I'm facetiming with him,
Speaker 2: the Earthwind song That's the Way of the World comes on.
Speaker 4: My son no speakers in the bat.
Speaker 2: And verdein hears his own song and he begins to
Speaker 2: casually sing along. Hearts of Fire Create Love Desire. So
Speaker 2: this ballad on a regular day gives me chills. It's
Speaker 2: one of those ballads that just touches me. But in
Speaker 2: this moment, those chills were multiplied. It's a crazy time
Speaker 2: in the world. I was literally alone for three months.
Speaker 2: I didn't have I didn't have human contact for three months.
Speaker 2: But at that point it was still new and he
Speaker 2: starts singing along the first three months and he starts
Speaker 2: singing along just like nothing, to his own song. And
Speaker 2: I didn't take that moment for granted. I said to
Speaker 2: myself as he's talking, how fortunate am I to have
Speaker 2: relationships with so many of my musical heroes, and how
Speaker 2: fortunate am I to be able to experience their music
Speaker 2: in this intimate way.
Speaker 4: It's crazy how we started this conversation.
Speaker 2: However many you know now it's you know, an hour maybe,
Speaker 2: and it all comes back to the same thing, because
Speaker 2: the first things you asked me were about my heroes
Speaker 2: and my friendships and relationships, and that's what sparked the
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 4: So I said to myself at that moment.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a way for me to give people around
Speaker 2: the world during this crazy time the feeling that I
Speaker 2: have right now, at this moment, of interacting with their
Speaker 2: favorite artists and experiencing their favorite songs in.
Speaker 4: A more personal way than ever before. And a light
Speaker 4: bulb went off, and I imai. I immediately envisioned what
Speaker 4: became past the mic.
Speaker 2: I envisioned myself in my living room in front of
Speaker 2: the fireplace with the palm trees and the flamingo wallpaper
Speaker 2: and the lights dim down low, and I envisioned myself
Speaker 2: dropping iconic hip hop and R and B records and
Speaker 2: bringing on screen the legendary hip hop and R and
Speaker 2: B icon who sings that song to sing along.
Speaker 4: And I said, Fortina, I got to call you back.
Speaker 4: And I called my editor Ian.
Speaker 2: And I said Ian, I said, we all know on
Speaker 2: zoom and FaceTime, if I trigger a song, no one
Speaker 2: can sing along in real time.
Speaker 4: They'll be five seconds late.
Speaker 1: How can we do it?
Speaker 4: And forty eight hours later we.
Speaker 2: Concocted a way to break the code and have me
Speaker 2: trigger songs and have people sing along in real time.
Speaker 2: And I started calling every icon of nineteen seventies and
Speaker 2: eighty R and B that I had relationships with. Now
Speaker 2: I knew I couldn't call people that I had never
Speaker 2: met because the.
Speaker 4: Idea was so crazy. No one would do this.
Speaker 1: They had to have some level of trust in me.
Speaker 2: And so I called back for Dean and his partner
Speaker 2: in crime from Earth Win and Fire, Philip Bailey and
Speaker 2: Cool from Cool in the Gang and Patrese Russian and
Speaker 2: Ray Parker Junior and Chryl Lynn and Howard Hewitt and
Speaker 2: Steve Arrington, and I said, guys, I have this idea.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit in my living room in front of
Speaker 2: my turntables, and every time I drop one of your records,
Speaker 2: You're gonna pop on screen to sing along.
Speaker 1: Right now, did verses come out before this or the
Speaker 1: d Nice? Is this before that or this just after
Speaker 1: the same time.
Speaker 4: It's all around the same time.
Speaker 1: Come to fish. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: D Nice started djaying on Instagram Live almost immediately when
Speaker 2: the lockdown started, so that probably preceded this phone call
Speaker 2: versus I'm forgetting the exact month they started, but I
Speaker 2: think it was all around the same few months, March, April, May, June, July.
Speaker 1: It was all.
Speaker 4: It was all very much happening, and.
Speaker 2: I start calling everyone, and shockingly, everyone says yes, except
Speaker 2: Philip Bailey of Earth Wind and Fire. So I called
Speaker 2: Redeen and I Goverdeen, can you talk to your you know,
Speaker 2: best friend of you know, fifty years And he goes,
Speaker 2: you know, Philip is very cautious and he likes to
Speaker 2: understand what he's doing. So I called Phillip's daughter, Trinity.
Speaker 2: I said, Trinity, can you help me? And finally I
Speaker 2: finished the entire episode.
Speaker 8: You never told me that? He said no.
Speaker 6: He said no, no, my best friends, you know, at
Speaker 6: your birthday party when I wanted to strangle.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I wasn't ready. It wasn't ready. I wasn't
Speaker 1: ready send a block.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of things we got to put a
Speaker 7: pin in. That's one we'll yeah.
Speaker 4: So I filmed the whole show and edited the whole show.
Speaker 2: Now, some things that people don't realize about the show
Speaker 2: is the show took me anywhere from four to eight
Speaker 2: weeks to create, to conceptualize, to playlists, to reach out
Speaker 2: to the artists, to film them all individually, and then
Speaker 2: to put everything together.
Speaker 4: So it looked like I never got up from the chair.
Speaker 2: So the first episode is now assembled, and it's for
Speaker 2: Dean White playing bass on the song that inspired the
Speaker 2: whole thing, that's the way of the World. Into Sayita
Speaker 2: Garrett doing her duet with Michael Jackson. I just can't
Speaker 2: stop loving you and to picture He's Russian to and
Speaker 2: remind me into Denise Williams, so on and so on,
Speaker 2: and now there's twenty R.
Speaker 1: And B icons.
Speaker 2: And I called Philip Bailey's daughter and I say, can
Speaker 2: I please speak to your dad? So she puts them
Speaker 2: on the phone.
Speaker 1: I go film.
Speaker 4: The thing I was talking about.
Speaker 1: He said yeah.
Speaker 2: I said, look, I finished the whole episode. I left
Speaker 2: the space for you to sing with Maurice White. Maurice White,
Speaker 2: who died I think now about ten years ago, the
Speaker 2: founder of the group. He sings half the song. The
Speaker 2: song is Maurice White and Philip Bailey. I said, I
Speaker 2: want you to sing with Maurice White. So I said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you the episode. Okay, let's schedule
Speaker 2: a time to do it. I'm going to send it
Speaker 2: to you. If you don't love how this turned out,
Speaker 2: we never had the call. Good but on everything I've
Speaker 2: ever said, on everything we've ever collaborated on, and we
Speaker 2: had collaborated on a few things. I said, give me
Speaker 2: thirty minutes of your time and you have my word
Speaker 2: that you'll be proud of the product. So he did it,
Speaker 2: and I edited it and I sent it to him,
Speaker 2: and five minutes later his daughter texted me in said approved.
Speaker 2: And that was the beginning of what became something I
Speaker 2: could have never ever imagined. And I finished this episode
Speaker 2: in late May early June, and I didn't premiere it
Speaker 2: till a month later, and I texted it to Steve,
Speaker 2: who didn't know anything about it at that point, and
Speaker 2: I said, Steve, watch this and call me back.
Speaker 3: And you had you had recorded it online on Instagram Live.
Speaker 3: I would no, no, no, no, you just pre recorded.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Instagram had nothing to do with past the
Speaker 2: Mike Evra YouTube. It was premiered on YouTube, and it
Speaker 2: was never filmed on Instagram Live or Zoom or any
Speaker 2: of the common apps we use.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: It was a show that I filmed individually, edited.
Speaker 2: But when you couldn't go to anyone's house, it was
Speaker 2: quite a puzzle to put together on how to teach artists,
Speaker 2: some of whom at that time were over the age
Speaker 2: of seventy the computers, so I sent it to Steve. Now,
Speaker 2: before I sent it to Steve, I had sent this
Speaker 2: to every block, every website, every magazine, every network, and said,
Speaker 2: would you premiere this for me? Now? You know, like
Speaker 2: a new single, premiere's, new music video premiere. It's a
Speaker 2: little vanity thing. It's not a big deal. Couldn't get
Speaker 2: one person's a premiere?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And my YouTube subscribership was low. I'm not a YouTuber.
Speaker 2: I have a basic subscribership. I've had six music videos.
Speaker 2: So I send it to Steve Rifkin, who's my dear
Speaker 2: friend and mentor for many years, and I say, Steve
Speaker 2: watched this.
Speaker 4: Now he has no idea what he's about to watch.
Speaker 2: So he calls me twenty eight minutes later and says,
Speaker 2: this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. And I
Speaker 2: said since COVID And he said no. Ever, he said,
Speaker 2: this is going to change your life. And it changed
Speaker 2: my life really.
Speaker 7: Because I feel like we're hearing all the name dropping
Speaker 7: that you can, that you're saying, and all the things
Speaker 7: that you've done up to this point. But I want
Speaker 7: to go further back. How does this ten year old
Speaker 7: DJ who starts to get these turntables, starts djaying you're
Speaker 7: in Then you go to the high school college. What
Speaker 7: is the break that makes you feel that, Okay, there's
Speaker 7: something here, I could really do this, I could do
Speaker 7: a career in this view. What's the break, what's the
Speaker 7: what's the thing that starts to get these people to
Speaker 7: call you to do these parties, to give you these
Speaker 7: these collaborations, connects you with these artists.
Speaker 2: There were many moments, and I'll tell you as as
Speaker 2: many as you want to hear. But I mean started
Speaker 2: when I was ten years old, and I DJed every
Speaker 2: single possible opportunity. I had to be in front of people.
Speaker 2: I never enjoy DJing in my bedroom. I was never
Speaker 2: a real scratch master. I was never that guy. I
Speaker 2: was never a competition style titles. I was never a
Speaker 2: turntable list.
Speaker 4: I was a part DJ.
Speaker 2: So there's only so much you can do in your room.
Speaker 2: Can't practice routines. You need to be in front of.
Speaker 4: People because you feet off the crowd.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I would DJ every Rinky Dink school carnival.
Speaker 1: The first two guests who drink the monster.
Speaker 4: Yea, really.
Speaker 1: We appreciate Yeah, we appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we just raised the value, but guests usually
Speaker 4: just go.
Speaker 1: Straight with the drinks.
Speaker 3: I re appreciate y'all, but ahead can't continue.
Speaker 2: So I DJed every possible thing I could, and I
Speaker 2: brought my milk rates of records and my turntables to school,
Speaker 2: and although it sounds silly, it gave me my first
Speaker 2: experiences in front of anyone. Now I didn't value these
Speaker 2: kids musical opinion. In fact, I kind of had disdain
Speaker 2: for it. I wanted to be in real life. But
Speaker 2: as a sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade kid, and
Speaker 2: then into high school, it was a beginning school homecoming parties,
Speaker 2: school dances, school proms, and then in this era of
Speaker 2: New York, there were a lot of underage nightclubs that
Speaker 2: were just out in the open, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how this existed, but there were full
Speaker 2: on nightclubs that high school kids.
Speaker 4: Went to and everyone knew it and there was no party.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I started djaying some of these parties, and that
Speaker 2: was kind of chapter two because I was out there.
Speaker 2: And then one thing led to another, and I met
Speaker 2: some party promoters who at the time I thought and
Speaker 2: were real deal party promoters in actual New York City nightclubs,
Speaker 2: and I went from doing these kind of high school
Speaker 2: underage parties to actual New York hotspots to some degree.
Speaker 2: No no, no, by this I'm now seventeen, eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 2: That would have been crazy if he was sad. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I had to learn how to use the turntable first,
Speaker 2: and those clubs were really the first exposure to real.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 2: You know, in the nineties, everyone wanted to be an
Speaker 2: intern for a hip hop label, and if I was
Speaker 2: old enough at the time, I would have wanted to
Speaker 2: intern for Steve at Loud Records. That was you know,
Speaker 2: there were a few labels you would have interned at,
Speaker 2: you know as a Dream Loud Records, Deaf Jam Records.
Speaker 7: I remember when he was thirteen years old, he would
Speaker 7: be at the office and would give him.
Speaker 2: Records because you know, back in the day there was
Speaker 2: aviously no Internet and the only way to get the
Speaker 2: newest hot record was to get it from the record label.
Speaker 2: To be in the record pools. Being in the record
Speaker 2: on their list that.
Speaker 1: Was years old, you already had a name in the industry.
Speaker 2: I had no name, but I was meeting everyone I could,
Speaker 2: and when somehow gets a Loud Records.
Speaker 7: You know, the babysitter was dating somebody that worked for me.
Speaker 4: Oh ship, that was So that's what was one in.
Speaker 4: That was one in.
Speaker 1: That was was fucking everything.
Speaker 6: And the babysitter, wait, his baby baby sitter, bab was
Speaker 6: fucking comb who controlled every beautiful woman in New York City.
Speaker 2: And the babysitter was also very good friends with Stretched Armstrong.
Speaker 2: Shut babysitter baby had two babysitters and Diane. I'm sure
Speaker 2: they might hear this. That's why I just shouted them out.
Speaker 2: And and they were friends, were Stretched Armstrong. They were
Speaker 2: friends with someone who worked for lab Rec't.
Speaker 4: So yeah it was. And so that wasn't the moment
Speaker 4: that changed the game.
Speaker 2: But I had my antennas out right, and so what
Speaker 2: I was saying was, you know, you wanted to intern.
Speaker 2: So so one of the places I interned as a
Speaker 2: high schooler was actually not for someone in the music business,
Speaker 2: but in the fashion business. But in this era, djaning
Speaker 2: for this person was as good as djang at a
Speaker 2: record label. Can anyone guess what that might be? Andy
Speaker 2: Hill figure? So I so I interned for Tommy Hill
Speaker 2: Figure's brother Andy now Tommy Hill Figure in the mid
Speaker 2: to late nineties was a revolving door of hip hop artists.
Speaker 2: So being an intern for Andy Hill Figure met you
Speaker 2: folded rugbies and polos for q Tit and for Ray Kwan,
Speaker 2: and for Snoop and and so that was another kind
Speaker 2: of path that led me out into the world. I
Speaker 2: remember Andy Hill Figure took me to Andre Herrel's white
Speaker 2: party at Tavern on the Green in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: I was fourteen, so Andre Herrel became a very dear
Speaker 2: friend and mentor to me. When he passed, I was
Speaker 2: filming past the mic and I always wished he could
Speaker 2: have seen it because so much of what I do
Speaker 2: on the microphone comes from Andre Herrel. But that's I
Speaker 2: want to get to that, because that's a whole important.
Speaker 4: Piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 2: But so the Hill Figures bring me to Tavern on
Speaker 2: the Green in Central Park for Andre Heral's fa aimed
Speaker 2: white party, and I remember watching Kid Capri m tear
Speaker 2: down that party. Now you have to remember I've only
Speaker 2: maybe been to three parties. It wasn't like I had
Speaker 2: been to thirty of these. I know, Kid Capri killed
Speaker 2: that one more than the other twenty nine. I hadn't
Speaker 2: been anywhere.
Speaker 4: I just heard about it.
Speaker 2: So I'm watching Kid Capri, He's a master, the master,
Speaker 2: and I'm watching Andre Herrel MC the party, and I
Speaker 2: can picture myself where I was standing a tavern on
Speaker 2: the green and I looked at Andre and I looked
Speaker 2: at Kid Capri and I said, I want to do that,
Speaker 2: and that became one of my goals.
Speaker 1: God damn, it makes a noise for that.
Speaker 4: So I want to tell you something else.
Speaker 2: So the years, I think two thousand and two, I
Speaker 2: interned for def Jam as well in those years. And
Speaker 2: now I'm just making a name for myself. So I'm
Speaker 2: finally getting the records from the labels without having to
Speaker 2: beg And it's two thousand and two and the hottest
Speaker 2: record in the clubs is a song called nothing Oh
Speaker 2: Goddamn by Noriega. And maybe I went to and excuse
Speaker 2: my voice to damn a little horse, but good, you
Speaker 2: need some more water even no, I'm.
Speaker 4: Good, but that's why I'm drinking a lot. So I
Speaker 4: am a little horse.
Speaker 2: So I hear Flex playing this record, you know, over
Speaker 2: and over and over, and I'm now knee deep in
Speaker 2: the club, so I know this is the hottest record.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm DJing at Cheetah on twenty first Street.
Speaker 3: Twenty first threet of Justice is right down the blot, Yeah,
Speaker 3: across the Yeah.
Speaker 5: How old?
Speaker 4: I was twenty one?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I.
Speaker 4: Don't have to record?
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So I go to Fat Beats. They don't have the record.
Speaker 2: I go to Rock and Soul they have a bootleg.
Speaker 2: I don't want a butleg. So I was always like
Speaker 2: a sonic, you know. So I go to def Jam
Speaker 2: and I say, I need two copies of nothing.
Speaker 4: What I tell you. They didn't want to give me
Speaker 4: two copies.
Speaker 6: It was so.
Speaker 2: It was so on fire. It's like the scene and
Speaker 2: Crush Groove when they're printing. It's like that or King
Speaker 2: of Rock in the movie, and they can't keep them
Speaker 2: on the ses. I couldn't get a copy. So they
Speaker 2: finally give me two copies. And I go home and
Speaker 2: I put on the turntable to practice a few things
Speaker 2: and it skips.
Speaker 4: So I take it off and I put on the
Speaker 4: double and it skips.
Speaker 1: I worked the record out here.
Speaker 4: Oh so, don't kill my punchline.
Speaker 2: So I go to def Jam back the next day,
Speaker 2: and I wish I remembered who was doing the streets team.
Speaker 1: Well, he was ahead of it.
Speaker 2: It definitely could have been Rob Love. All right, let's
Speaker 2: make it Rob up. So I go into Rob Love's office.
Speaker 2: It's definitely and I say I need too, And so
Speaker 2: I say I need two more. He says, said, no,
Speaker 2: he just gave you two. You begged for them yesterday.
Speaker 2: I said, they're skipping at an integral part of the song.
Speaker 2: It's not even the third verse, it's like at the beginning.
Speaker 2: So I said, he goes, well, those are your two.
Speaker 2: I said, the whole batch is fucked up.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: He goes, you're crazy to get out of here. So
Speaker 2: I say, you have a turntable here? He says yeah.
Speaker 2: I said, who whose office is the turntable in? So
Speaker 2: whose ever office that was? And we take the vinyl
Speaker 2: and I say to him, take two vinyl from anywhere
Speaker 2: in this stack top middle bottom. I'm like David Blaine
Speaker 2: with the cards. Just pick a vinyl. So he puts
Speaker 2: them on same spot, same spot, same pot. I said,
Speaker 2: I just discovered a flaw in you're pressing.
Speaker 7: I did.
Speaker 1: I did hear it, but I didn't remember it, Like
Speaker 1: how he just described.
Speaker 4: The whole pressing was fucked up.
Speaker 1: But this is what's ill.
Speaker 7: This is how big the record was. People were still
Speaker 7: playing the fucking record. You can't stop a hit record,
Speaker 7: and you can't stop wearing the mouth right.
Speaker 2: So, at the end of the day, and in my
Speaker 2: early days of djaying, when I felt I don't want
Speaker 2: to say when I was getting hot, When I felt
Speaker 2: I was getting hot, I'm not. I'm in no place
Speaker 2: to say I was getting hot. That's for other people
Speaker 2: to say. But when I felt I was getting a
Speaker 2: little hot.
Speaker 4: There were there were four hip hop.
Speaker 2: Records of that era that were the biggest and greatest
Speaker 2: club records ever at that time, and they have also
Speaker 2: had to test the time and remain songs that kids
Speaker 2: in their twenties now it's in every word too, and
Speaker 2: those songs are jay Z, give it to Me, gnoring
Speaker 2: nothing for else, fifty in the club, and lean back.
Speaker 10: Now you.
Speaker 2: There's no way to explain what those songs did if
Speaker 2: you aren't there. You can try some things.
Speaker 4: You just have to feel.
Speaker 2: You can't explain what it was. We could play the
Speaker 2: song four times in a row and it was a
Speaker 2: magical moment in New York. And you know, I always
Speaker 2: tell people there's a lot of things that allow your stars.
Speaker 4: To align in life. It's not just talent, it's not
Speaker 4: just luck.
Speaker 2: There's so many stars that have to align, and one
Speaker 2: of them is being a New Yorker who rose to
Speaker 2: prominence in the era of that music.
Speaker 1: That's luck.
Speaker 2: Because if I was coming of age now in New York,
Speaker 2: I don't think my life would have taken the same
Speaker 2: course because the music is different.
Speaker 1: It's still disposable now.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like, yeah, and hip hop is different.
Speaker 1: DJ culture is different, is different now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I was.
Speaker 2: I was coming of age. I don't even want to
Speaker 2: say rise to prominence. I was coming of age in
Speaker 2: an era of New York hip hop that was magical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I agree, And it gave me a platform because those parties,
Speaker 2: as you talk about the hot parties, the exclusive parties,
Speaker 2: you can't DJ them if they're not happening, and they
Speaker 2: were happening, and they were happening in my backyard. And
Speaker 2: all the music you played at those parties was being
Speaker 2: recorded in my backyard from people who grew up in
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 4: And that's the stars aligning.
Speaker 2: You could have been born anywhere else, so you could
Speaker 2: have you could have been brought up anywhere else.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to stop for a second. I want
Speaker 3: to let you know that our show is about giving
Speaker 3: people their flowers. You know why they alive, you know,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, why they could smell them. Man,
Speaker 3: we wanted to give y'all both even though.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, so before you start, quick time, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: take a quick piss.
Speaker 4: Well I was gonna thank you on air, but I'll wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh ship, look soone me flooded.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because to stop we're sleeping here tonight.
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't. I couldn't believe it though, but we did.
Speaker 3: Didn't make it right there you go, we we.
Speaker 10: We are.
Speaker 1: We almost crashed, by the way. I'm just let you know.
Speaker 5: I don't know what was that.
Speaker 3: That's honey, Did you just take a shot of honey?
Speaker 3: That this was the dangerous on the way to work
Speaker 3: is the most dangerous has ever been. We were swerving.
Speaker 3: We couldn't get here.
Speaker 4: We could uh, but uh, I can't believe you came.
Speaker 2: I kept thinking Steve was gonna call and say everyone's
Speaker 2: not coming or left.
Speaker 4: I mean it was not water.
Speaker 3: Because once, yeah, once I hit Steve and I was
Speaker 3: like you know, and he was like, let's let's let's
Speaker 3: make it happen.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, let's just let's
Speaker 1: just let's just do it. Let's just make it. But
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I regredit on the way here because I was so scared,
Speaker 3: Like like at first it was it was it was like,
Speaker 3: was that the not exciting?
Speaker 1: I didn't want to I want to limits? Yeah, right, I.
Speaker 5: Saw cars on the water and then we got to
Speaker 5: the highway and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not a good idea. It was not
Speaker 1: a good idea. I was scared of. Yeah, that was us,
Speaker 1: so hold on, Yeah, I was scared.
Speaker 3: So look, literally, let me ask, because you said you
Speaker 3: did a whole bunch of past mics, what made you
Speaker 3: pick for your residency right one of us in Vegas?
Speaker 7: What made you pick these artists?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 1: Actually both? You know what I mean? Which whoever want
Speaker 1: to go first? How did you make the decision.
Speaker 8: Before you go?
Speaker 6: Yeah, when it comes to curating music, I feel he's
Speaker 6: probably the best DJ in the world I respect when
Speaker 6: it when it comes to somebody curating the show.
Speaker 7: So he's always going to come with the mural, right,
Speaker 7: And then I'll say you know what, maybe.
Speaker 8: Had this color ad that color. But to me, he's
Speaker 8: one of the best DJs in the RW.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to question his th Sometimes I'll say,
Speaker 6: you're out of your fucking mind on this, but I mean,
Speaker 6: he puts us face, he puts this together, so.
Speaker 3: I'm really time. I'm not going to question his curation. Okay,
Speaker 3: So before you say this, how does this work? Does
Speaker 3: the Vegas registery reach out to you and then you
Speaker 3: say to Steve, Yo, listen, listen, how does this work?
Speaker 2: So first of all, thank you, Steve, because those are
Speaker 2: very very big, very big words to say the greatest
Speaker 2: of anything. And I just want to I want to
Speaker 2: answer your question. But can I take sixty seconds just
Speaker 2: to say that I'm a product of so many people,
Speaker 2: I'm a product of Dougie Fresh. Without watching him over
Speaker 2: the years, I would have no idea how to unite
Speaker 2: artists on stage. He's the godfather of that and in
Speaker 2: many ways has I don't want to say past me
Speaker 2: the torch allowed me to hold the torch, and he's
Speaker 2: another hero that has become a dear friend. And and
Speaker 2: I studied of course Flash HRK and Bambada, but also
Speaker 2: Kid Capri and SNS and Funk Master, Flex Legend, And
Speaker 2: without all of those people I just named, and Andre
Speaker 2: Herrell as a Master of the microphone, there would be
Speaker 2: no DJ Cassidy and certainly no Past the Mic. I mean,
Speaker 2: everything I say on the Mic is all of those
Speaker 2: guys in a blender, right. So there were chapters to
Speaker 2: this journey. You know, I told you the story of
Speaker 2: the first episode. After the first episode, I knew I
Speaker 2: wanted to celebrate my hip hop heroes. And whereas the
Speaker 2: first episode started with earth Wind and Fire, the second
Speaker 2: episode started with Run DMC. And when from Run DMC
Speaker 2: to Elo cool J, you got DMC two Run and yep,
Speaker 2: and they did Sucker mcs together, and then LL did
Speaker 2: Radio and then Chuck d did Rebel without a Pause,
Speaker 2: and then Rock Him did Eric be as President, and
Speaker 2: then Dougie Fresh did the show and Big Daddy Kane
Speaker 2: did Warm it Up. And you know, over twenty five
Speaker 2: artists were on that show, most of which who then
Speaker 2: joined us at my Radio City Past the Mic show
Speaker 2: last summer, which was a full circle moment. But and
Speaker 2: then after volume two, there was a volume three where
Speaker 2: I wanted to pay homage to my R and B
Speaker 2: heroes of the nineties the New Jack Swing era, and
Speaker 2: that show featured Keith, Sweat and Boyce to Men and
Speaker 2: TLC and SWV and all six members of New Edition
Speaker 2: and then in a very long story short, the show
Speaker 2: went from Steve Rifkin to Jesse Collins, renowned television producer
Speaker 2: of every award show known to man, to Connie Orlando
Speaker 2: at BET. Volume one that I did completely on my own,
Speaker 2: premiered in July, Volume two, August, Volume three, October Volume four,
Speaker 2: a television special November twenty nine, five weeks later that
Speaker 2: over two million TVs watched.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to speak free, I'm curious or
Speaker 4: your opinion.
Speaker 2: I could have never, in my wildest imagination thought that
Speaker 2: that would become a full on television special in a
Speaker 2: matter of five weeks, with millions of TVs tuned into
Speaker 2: in on its first airing.
Speaker 6: I told you your life was going to change. So
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I mean, I knew
Speaker 6: what this was and I knew how he curated. Let
Speaker 6: me ask something.
Speaker 7: The first one that you did was everybody involved in it,
Speaker 7: strictly off of all the relationships you've been like it
Speaker 7: wasn't It wasn't about like you're hiring these people to
Speaker 7: do this.
Speaker 1: It was all.
Speaker 2: Relither people that were in my phone or people those
Speaker 2: people knew and conference in right.
Speaker 7: Right, but really because it's important for people to understand
Speaker 7: like the power of relationships.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's go through it.
Speaker 2: If I can remember so Berdein and Philip, I've told
Speaker 2: you that story, Sayita Garrett, who wrote and Man in
Speaker 2: the Mirror from Michael Jackson and saying on I just
Speaker 2: can't stop love.
Speaker 4: Ain't you is a dear friend?
Speaker 2: But Terrees Russian who sings Remind Me, which has been
Speaker 2: sampled and hip hop a thousand times and Forget Me nots,
Speaker 2: which became men in Black. I called her directly, she
Speaker 2: was a friend. Howard Hewett of Shalamar called him directly.
Speaker 1: Who else?
Speaker 2: Ray Parker Junior called him directly. I said, Ray, you
Speaker 2: played on to be Real by Sherylynn right?
Speaker 4: He said yeah.
Speaker 2: I said, do you keep in contact with her? He said,
Speaker 2: of course, now she's on the phone. And the list
Speaker 2: goes on. When I called Big Daddy Kane to take
Speaker 2: part in volume two, I looked at my text. I
Speaker 2: hadn't spoken to Big Daddy Kane in six years. I
Speaker 2: don't call Big Daddy Kane, but I do have his number,
Speaker 2: and I called him in July of twenty twenty, so
Speaker 2: almost four years ago, and he picks up the phone
Speaker 2: and goes, hey, Ca, if you're calling me about that
Speaker 2: past the mic thing I'm in. And those were the
Speaker 2: kind of answers I was getting strictly based on Volume one,
Speaker 2: and so Volume one, two and three were just a snowball.
Speaker 2: And by the time it went from Steve to Jesse
Speaker 2: Collins to Kanye Orlando, it's now a series of bet specials.
Speaker 2: And it went from twenty five thousand people watching on
Speaker 2: YouTube Live to one hundred on YouTube Live to maybe
Speaker 2: quarter a million to literally Nielsen ratings like two point
Speaker 2: one million televisions on the first airing, and long story
Speaker 2: short after seven television specials and ten episodes all together,
Speaker 2: I had passed the mic to two hundred and twenty legends.
Speaker 2: And those two hundred and twenty legends spanned forty years
Speaker 2: of hip hop and R and B, earth Wind and Fire,
Speaker 2: Gladys Knight, Patti LaBelle, Charlie Wilson, Hall and Oates, New Edition, TLC,
Speaker 2: S w V, and Vogue, He sweat Teddy Reiley and
Speaker 2: that was just the first three, and then Missy Elliott,
Speaker 2: Y Cleve, Jean, Buster Rhymes, Wu Tang Clan, Ice Cube,
Speaker 2: Sean Paul, Shaggy, super Cat, Maxy Priest. I mean, we
Speaker 2: did a whole we do anything you guys, super Cat
Speaker 2: so and we did, and we did a whole episode
Speaker 2: of reggae music. And I want to thank this amazing woman,
Speaker 2: Sharon Burke. Sharon Burke is kind of like the mayor
Speaker 2: of reggae music. And I met Sharon because she helped
Speaker 2: me get Shaggy. No, I'm sorry, she helped me get
Speaker 2: show me get Beanie Man on a previous episode, and
Speaker 2: we hit it off and I called and I said,
Speaker 2: I told b Et, I want to do the next
Speaker 2: episode all reggae.
Speaker 4: I said, will you co produce it with me?
Speaker 1: And she did and we.
Speaker 2: Produced this episode that featured Shaka de mis Imploied Terror,
Speaker 2: Fabulous sister Nancy doing bumb Bomb. And you know, her
Speaker 2: story is incredible. She deserves her flowers because that song
Speaker 2: has been used.
Speaker 7: I think she got a documentary right now. They've got
Speaker 7: a documentary about it right now.
Speaker 4: Right So it all just came full circle.
Speaker 2: She never made a sense from this track or the
Speaker 2: top line or the song for years, and so she
Speaker 2: was on the show. And so Sharon calls me and says,
Speaker 2: you have to come to Kingston for the premiere. So
Speaker 2: I'm used to watching the show in my living room
Speaker 2: with a couple of friends. I never did anything, She says,
Speaker 2: you know, just after COVID we're just flying again. She
Speaker 2: said you have to come to Kingston. And so I've
Speaker 2: never been to Jamaica, let alone Kingston. And so Sharon
Speaker 2: throws this event for me and all the artists who
Speaker 2: were on the show, the mass majority of live in Kingston,
Speaker 2: so they all came.
Speaker 4: Junior Reid who did want Blood on the show.
Speaker 2: And words can't really explain what I felt on that trip,
Speaker 2: you know, for me past the mic was and in
Speaker 2: some sense it still feels like my living room show,
Speaker 2: in which I'm surprised if anyone who I don't know
Speaker 2: has ever heard of it. So when I walk into
Speaker 2: Kingston and everyone knows that the show's happened, it hasn't
Speaker 2: even aired yet, and everyone knows it's airing, and there's
Speaker 2: a whole show dedicated to reggae. It was really it
Speaker 2: was quite a feeling, and honestly, in many senses, I
Speaker 2: have favorite episodes for different reasons, but that's my favorite
Speaker 2: episode because I think we stepped out of the comfort
Speaker 2: of hip hop and arm beat to some respect. But
Speaker 2: as a kid, dance hall music was hip hop. Yea,
Speaker 2: you know, I learned dance hall music through funk Master Flex.
Speaker 2: That was my in to knowing Super Cat Records. I
Speaker 2: learned it through hip hop, just like I learned soul
Speaker 2: music from hip hop. So after ten episodes, two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty icon spanning forty years, and then Steve gets
Speaker 2: an email from the Black Promoter's Collective, who's an independent
Speaker 2: concert promoter who was very hot that year with the
Speaker 2: New Edition tour and the Mary Tour and the Maxwell Tour,
Speaker 2: and they said, have you thought about taking the show
Speaker 2: on the road, And of course we had, but they
Speaker 2: saw the vision. And over the past year we've been
Speaker 2: putting on past the Mic live concerts across the country
Speaker 2: and I've been walking out in front of arenas.
Speaker 4: That are sold out with ten to fifteen thousand people.
Speaker 2: And there's no feeling like this because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, this whole thing started with this little
Speaker 2: idea of calling artists and convincing them to do this
Speaker 2: crazy concept to bring celebration to people at a crazy time,
Speaker 2: and it turned into a celebration of the soundtrack of
Speaker 2: our lives. It turned into a celebration of our favorite
Speaker 2: songs and our favorite artists, a celebration of our heroes.
Speaker 4: And so I have this incredible.
Speaker 2: Over the past year, I've had this incredible opportunity every
Speaker 2: month to walk on stage and experience that celebration in
Speaker 2: front of ten to fifteen thousand people with my heroes
Speaker 2: on stage, and every one of those shows has been
Speaker 2: a unique show. The show in North Carolina was different
Speaker 2: than the show in New Jersey. It was different from
Speaker 2: the show at Radio City. So every show is like
Speaker 2: a special event curated specifically for that time and place.
Speaker 2: And the show at Radio City was the greatest night
Speaker 2: of my life. Sugarhill Gang, Curtis, Blow, Cool Mo, D, Busy,
Speaker 2: b krs one mc shan. But listen to what I
Speaker 2: just said though on one stage, Cool Mo, D, Busy,
Speaker 2: B mc shan, krs one, Infamous Beefs, and Naughty My
Speaker 2: Nature and Rock came in, Big Daddy Kane and Karras
Speaker 2: one and Dougie Fresh and Slick Rick and Lords of
Speaker 2: the Underground and the Fushnickens and EPMD and.
Speaker 4: I will never forget every minute of that night. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think it can be topped. It's it's my
Speaker 4: thriller now.
Speaker 2: It's like in its own I just I can't touch
Speaker 2: that in my own in my own heart and soul.
Speaker 2: It was everything that I ever dreamt of. And I
Speaker 2: felt I don't feel it often, but I felt that
Speaker 2: night that I had made some contribution, that I did
Speaker 2: something for the music and the culture that gave me life,
Speaker 2: life and identity. And you know, I remember some artists
Speaker 2: saying that night that they had never been to Radio City.
Speaker 2: And I got a call from Roxanne Chante the next
Speaker 2: morning telling me just that, and so it's it's it's
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about a lot of memories early on.
Speaker 2: I think in one of the stories I said at
Speaker 2: that time, that was the greatest night. This was the
Speaker 2: greatest night of my life. So all this led to Vegas.
Speaker 2: And and you know you asked about the artist and
Speaker 2: how did you pick those artist? It's always been I
Speaker 2: just want to say about the artists, right, I'm really
Speaker 2: just the messenger. I'm just really I have the fortunate
Speaker 2: position of being a bridge, right and if I'm nothing
Speaker 2: else in my life but that bridge, I'm happy with that.
Speaker 4: And I really feel.
Speaker 2: Again, sorry for this voice, but I really feel that
Speaker 2: this is going to sound very poetic. But I feel
Speaker 2: in all episodes and shows that passed the mic, the
Speaker 2: artists have chosen themselves. I think it It was always
Speaker 2: just clear, you know when when when Steven live Nation
Speaker 2: first started talking about Vegas, I was immediately inspired by
Speaker 2: the shows that we think of as the iconic Vegas shows.
Speaker 1: The rat Pack, That's what I said earlier. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: said that we were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 4: Elvis Presley, Liberaci. Steve always calls me Liberaci, so.
Speaker 1: He definitely did.
Speaker 4: So I can't wait to hear what was said before
Speaker 4: I got here.
Speaker 2: So, the rat Pack, Elvis, Presley, Liberachi, Wayne Newton.
Speaker 1: And these are the first people with residencies.
Speaker 2: They were the first ones to have a long term,
Speaker 2: the most definitive residencies.
Speaker 4: There were people in between.
Speaker 1: H I'm sorry for cutting it.
Speaker 8: I did forget.
Speaker 1: My father did bring Elvis to Vegas. He brought him
Speaker 1: to Elvis. He brought Elvis to Vegas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the International Hotel, and he's told me that before.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So so that's that's the DNA of this conception. And
Speaker 2: when this started, I didn't know that. As the esthetic
Speaker 2: and vibe started to form, he told me that. So
Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated with old world Las Vegas, with
Speaker 2: Freemont Street, the old hotels, the gangster stories, the neon signed,
Speaker 2: the lights, the glamour.
Speaker 7: The black and white of it all, the mob exactly
Speaker 7: black and white of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the black and white of it all, even though
Speaker 2: it was actually very bright, very bright. So I thought
Speaker 2: about the rat Pack, and I thought about.
Speaker 4: Who are they? Were they unknowns? Now they were five stars?
Speaker 1: Is that we saw a flyer? When you see the
Speaker 1: basket of min it's like almost like the rat Pack.
Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even think of that exactly.
Speaker 2: So the rat Pack is five stars Frank Sinatra, Sammy
Speaker 2: Davis Junior, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop, and Peter Lawford.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So these guys were singers, actors, comedians. They didn't need
Speaker 2: each other. They were stars.
Speaker 4: But what did they do?
Speaker 2: They came together and formed an ensemble that the world
Speaker 2: had never seen. That you could only see in one.
Speaker 1: Place, and that place was Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: And remember how we started, And I said, if an
Speaker 2: alien came from outer space and said, what is hip hop?
Speaker 2: I would show him a picture run the MCGM massage
Speaker 2: and playing this is the Sucker. If an alien came
Speaker 2: from out of space and said what is Las Vegas?
Speaker 2: I would show them rap back. So I thought there
Speaker 2: was an opportunity to create something groundbreaking and something trailblazing.
Speaker 2: There is very little hip hop in the concerts space
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. There is almost no hip hop in
Speaker 2: the residency space. Yeah, and they have new September and
Speaker 2: that's brand new so and drink chams were coming soon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, we need you.
Speaker 3: In July, Usha and Ussher and Ushia even though marriage
Speaker 3: considered a hip hop overall, they don't polyse.
Speaker 2: Because Usher and There's been a bunch of R and
Speaker 2: B for sure, okay, but virtually, with maybe one or
Speaker 2: two exceptions, there's been no hip hop in the residency space,
Speaker 2: very little in the concert space. And certainly DJs have
Speaker 2: always existed in Vegas in the world of nightlife, but
Speaker 2: not in the world of concerts. So I saw a
Speaker 2: tremendous opportunity to take inspiration from those that made Vegas
Speaker 2: what it is and to redefine it through a hip
Speaker 2: hop lens, through a New York lens largely, and to
Speaker 2: create an ensemble cast of five artists that all have
Speaker 2: their global careers, that don't need to come together, but
Speaker 2: choose to come together to create a once in a
Speaker 2: lifetime experience that you can only see in Vegas and
Speaker 2: all roads led to Job Rule, Fat Joe Slick Rick,
Speaker 2: and Dougie Fresh and myself as the core five.
Speaker 13: Our Rule has coined us the rap pack Mmm looks
Speaker 13: and you know, every night, so it's every night this goes.
Speaker 4: So it's it's, it's.
Speaker 7: It's because it's just as long as there's every week
Speaker 7: every night.
Speaker 8: This is every weekend for the month of July, every weekend.
Speaker 4: Yes, Friday Saturday. So on night one.
Speaker 2: We have Ray Kwan and ghost Face as our special
Speaker 2: guests every night one, No just on night one of
Speaker 2: the residency, every first night of the weekend. On on
Speaker 2: night two of the Residency, we have Public Enemy joining
Speaker 2: us on stage.
Speaker 4: Now, I just want to talk about this for a second.
Speaker 2: Public Enemy, first of all, has only performed once in
Speaker 2: America in seven years wow, meaning seven years ago right right.
Speaker 2: Out of all the people involved in the residency, for
Speaker 2: some reason, Chuck has been the person who has hosted
Speaker 2: the ad for the show.
Speaker 4: More than anyone. I cannot tell you what that means.
Speaker 2: There's really no words to explain how I feel when
Speaker 2: I see Past the Mic live on Chuck the Instagram
Speaker 2: the Ultimate Truth like capital t r U t H,
Speaker 2: there's no more truth. Night three and four we are
Speaker 2: welcoming a global icon a Steve Rifkin label mates and
Speaker 2: Discovery Akon and Night five we are welcoming Jermaine dupri
Speaker 2: and De Brat together doing something.
Speaker 4: Very special that we're Carl curated.
Speaker 2: And Night six we're welcoming too Short and War and
Speaker 2: g and it's going to be very special night. Obviously
Speaker 2: Vegas is in the West Coast, so that's going to
Speaker 2: be a particularly.
Speaker 7: And just to be clear for the people watching listening,
Speaker 7: when you say welcoming to the addition to fact, Joe.
Speaker 1: In addition, right, and the.
Speaker 6: Great thing about the month of Live for this year
Speaker 6: is you have the NBA Summer League in Vegas, but
Speaker 6: you also have the Olympic team practicing. Oh so pretty
Speaker 6: much eighty five percent of the NBA. It's going to
Speaker 6: be in Vegas, So this will literally be the number
Speaker 6: one residency for the month of Joe.
Speaker 2: The hotels is that Seasons Seasons, okay, plan in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: owned by Caesars so and and when this all started,
Speaker 2: Steve was very adamant about July. You know, I'm not
Speaker 2: a sports guy. As I've said several times, Steve is
Speaker 2: and so Steve goes No, I go to Vegas every July.
Speaker 4: It's you can feel the energy, the culture. We have
Speaker 4: to do it in July.
Speaker 1: And he was right.
Speaker 2: And you know, Jaw and Joe and Rick and Doug
Speaker 2: and myself are designing inexperience like you've never seen before.
Speaker 2: If you've been to a past to my concert over
Speaker 2: the past year, you've seen a three hour continuous show
Speaker 2: with no intermission and no breaks and no moments of
Speaker 2: silence and no opening acts and no headliners. It's straight
Speaker 2: one hundred miles per hour from eight pm to eleven pm.
Speaker 2: But in Vegas, we're taking that and multiplying it times ten.
Speaker 8: So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: We are creating a show that is more interweaved and
Speaker 2: collaborative than ever before.
Speaker 6: If I didn't believe in this, I was supposed to
Speaker 6: do Allow thirty on July fifth, and knowing what he does,
Speaker 6: I said, Cassidy, I'm gonna shut my show down. And
Speaker 6: I was doing the big theater T Mobile which hold
Speaker 6: twenty two thousand people, and I had WU three six,
Speaker 6: I had everybody, and I debit it for this. That's
Speaker 6: how much I believed in this. Because even though it's
Speaker 6: a month, this is going to be you know when
Speaker 6: he mentioned Wayne Newton or you know, this is going
Speaker 6: to be, this is gonna last. Because what they're doing
Speaker 6: is it's an experience. It's just not a typical hip
Speaker 6: hop show. This is really going to be a real
Speaker 6: fucking experience and take it to a whole different place.
Speaker 1: I respect that. I think I'm giving you a contact. Huh,
Speaker 1: he's not. I keep looking. I'm like he said, Aye, man, I.
Speaker 2: Was losing my voice before I got it. I was
Speaker 2: losing the voice already, but now it's taken to a
Speaker 2: different level.
Speaker 1: You want to explain him the rules with quick Thomas Live.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, actually just hitting me back, and I was
Speaker 7: just time you got you play quick time already with us.
Speaker 7: Once you're you're new to quick time. So this is
Speaker 7: what we canna give you two, two different.
Speaker 1: I lost my choices. Choices.
Speaker 7: You get to pick one, and we don't drink. If
Speaker 7: you say both are neither. We all drink, but you're not.
Speaker 7: You guys aren't drinking. So you get to pick.
Speaker 1: He could be your designated drinker. This I got some drinking.
Speaker 1: Shout to us to drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right here they drink, right, Yeah, you're my drinker.
Speaker 1: You drink. Who's drinking?
Speaker 7: You're my driver?
Speaker 8: Hey, come.
Speaker 7: He's not going to be I can bring it.
Speaker 8: He drinks, right, Come on, you're my teammate.
Speaker 5: You gotta drink.
Speaker 7: You got one hair?
Speaker 1: You got I got with the hoodie? What you want?
Speaker 10: You want?
Speaker 4: I can't have the driver.
Speaker 1: Driver.
Speaker 7: I mean, let's go away. I'm funked up right now.
Speaker 7: You got Sonny, Sonny, listen, we.
Speaker 1: Got Yeah, you got the fleet market show. You gotta relax.
Speaker 4: I don't think you're gonna have to drink at all.
Speaker 7: What we call I don't know, because now it's too
Speaker 7: free to contest. If he State sales Champs, the state champs,
Speaker 7: this is yeah.
Speaker 1: Bring up? Come on, who's producing the.
Speaker 4: Hold on?
Speaker 1: Bring up? Bringing back I take the first two. I'm
Speaker 1: give the let's get his drinker up there.
Speaker 7: But where's this drinker?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 5: Happened to me?
Speaker 1: Man, I can't even talk anybody.
Speaker 7: Hey, yeah, let me do the first two. I'm giving
Speaker 7: them both to Steve.
Speaker 1: Let care, I want his man Go ahead, man, you
Speaker 1: can sit next to it.
Speaker 5: Doesn't We got to stay right here for you?
Speaker 4: What what if I just answer everything and no one
Speaker 4: has to drink.
Speaker 1: Both for y'all going bounce back and forth. So because
Speaker 1: you explained of that, if you say both, yeah.
Speaker 7: We're giving you to let me say it because I
Speaker 7: don't know why the fuck I can't even talk. But
Speaker 7: you get two choices.
Speaker 1: You say this or that.
Speaker 7: If you pick one, nobody drinks. If you say both
Speaker 7: or neither.
Speaker 1: Correct, I got it. We all drink. That's it.
Speaker 4: I get it right.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna start with you, Steve Tupac or d
Speaker 3: m X both, but when they're not drinking.
Speaker 1: Silo Hello, sollo.
Speaker 7: Drinking cheers cheers, cheers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Also to you against my life this moment,
Speaker 3: wanted this one. Yeah, I think you're gonna I think
Speaker 3: you're gonna let me not, let me not leave the
Speaker 3: witness yeah, don't lead the winnows m O P or
Speaker 3: mob D Come on, no hear?
Speaker 8: I mean, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: It should be sense? And I mean they're both loud.
Speaker 6: I mean, how can I Oh yeah, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: About people's first Yeah, no, this is not this. There's
Speaker 3: a guy who white questions over there. I wouldn't say both,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean the witness.
Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna you know, I had more records with
Speaker 6: Mob Deep, okay, than I did with m O P.
Speaker 6: So you're saying, but Annie Up might be one of
Speaker 6: my favorite records of all time.
Speaker 9: Christmas cop out Rift, damn you all right, man, let's go,
Speaker 9: all right, let's go Cassidy NOAs or Kiss Jada Kiss.
Speaker 1: To be exactly, m hmm.
Speaker 4: I would like to answer elaborate.
Speaker 7: You can say why your criteria, why you would say
Speaker 7: one or the other or both?
Speaker 1: Nos.
Speaker 2: My my favorite album of all time is Illmatic, and
Speaker 2: it holds a very special place in my heart, and
Speaker 2: so anything that includes NAS might go to NAS because
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's fair, all right, Steve Pete rock and you
Speaker 7: gotta he did he did it masterfully. So I mean
Speaker 7: I'm not as smart as she is.
Speaker 1: You are you have to be.
Speaker 14: Wow, man, Let's let's just say, oh, they are both louder.
Speaker 14: I mean you can say, bo I ain't mad at
Speaker 14: both goth Steve. Let them give me a real question,
Speaker 14: all right, let me do this one.
Speaker 1: You can do that.
Speaker 7: I'm not talking to anymore. Let's go Wu Tang or
Speaker 7: n w A Wu Tang. Hello fast, I'm from New York.
Speaker 7: You know, it's just it's a good I experienced it.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking.
Speaker 2: It's not music versus music for me, It's just memories
Speaker 2: versus memories. I experienced it in a different way as
Speaker 2: a New Yorker. I experienced n w A in the
Speaker 2: moment more secondhand. So I don't I don't have the
Speaker 2: same kind of memories with that music. Although I love
Speaker 2: it and I know every word, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: experience it the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's one of my favorite arguments on drinking
Speaker 3: chances with you and Tony yo yo the same. But
Speaker 3: I feel like that he just broke it down, No, bro,
Speaker 3: because that's right, he broke it down.
Speaker 1: When he broke it down, the experience, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what I meant by it, Like I'm not bringing,
Speaker 3: but still no, I still Tony ye Hill completely missco
Speaker 3: screwed the whole thing.
Speaker 4: I told him who it was.
Speaker 7: He did not like it, and an engage in argument.
Speaker 1: I love it beautiful.
Speaker 15: Ye asked you top five rappers of all times? Yeah,
Speaker 15: and I've always been the biggest ice Cube fan. I
Speaker 15: said ice Cream was my in my top five. He
Speaker 15: was my number one, and he didn't like to hantswer
Speaker 15: ice Cube did past the mic. Yeah, ice Cube did
Speaker 15: do past the mike. He was the two hundred and
Speaker 15: twentieth artist.
Speaker 3: God damn big of ice Cube. Wherever you at, needs
Speaker 3: you back on drink chaps. Okay, jay Z a big
Speaker 3: daddy king.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with jay Z.
Speaker 7: Look at you answering that.
Speaker 3: I'm going with you, and then I'm coming something even
Speaker 3: on this one. And you can say it at the
Speaker 3: same time. If you want Big Pun or Biggie Smalls.
Speaker 1: M Stee, you go first. I'm going.
Speaker 8: I just have to say he's my heart Pun.
Speaker 1: I'll say Biggie.
Speaker 8: Okay, who do you need to say that?
Speaker 1: Technically you do?
Speaker 8: I mean to say, we're not gonna be Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a shot.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you seems questions are really fair. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're making between I.
Speaker 7: Think you've got to be on there good. I think no, no, no, Look,
Speaker 7: I mean I obviously I can't for you in your mind,
Speaker 7: you can't. But when we're telling our guests to have
Speaker 7: their criteria, was very close to you.
Speaker 3: So by that, that's why I wouldn't I wouldn't let that.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't let that change my decision. I kind of
Speaker 3: think that they both lived a short career, like they
Speaker 3: both had so much more to go, So I would
Speaker 3: say both, we're not really.
Speaker 7: Talking about careers because remember we're telling the guests it's
Speaker 7: whatever your criteria, that's my.
Speaker 1: I just not.
Speaker 2: But don't we don't we expect Steve to favor those
Speaker 2: artists his careers that he absolutely guided.
Speaker 7: That's why he's been so great guiding those careers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the only hard questions for Steve are
Speaker 2: not a loud artist for someone else's when it's too
Speaker 2: loud artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's why we're gonna go to this wo
Speaker 1: project Pat Flip. It's just not fair.
Speaker 4: You're killing him project Pat?
Speaker 1: Wow? You big?
Speaker 6: There a reason in there that you big? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: Flip was the last artist. I signed the lad before
Speaker 6: they kicked me out, so I had the record with him,
Speaker 6: but with Project Pat and Hypnotized Minds and three six.
Speaker 6: I don't think you guys realized it.
Speaker 7: Was Project Pat first before Unfield three three six came first.
Speaker 1: And then then you know, you know Pat was Pat
Speaker 1: and Juicy are brothers, right, brothers like that?
Speaker 6: Blood blood brother I'm almost positive blood brothers.
Speaker 1: Wow, Google, you said another? He said, I'm gonna go somewhere.
Speaker 3: They were like, he didn't know, We're gonna google this motherfucker.
Speaker 16: You got technology, you know, but we had you know,
Speaker 16: we had two monster records with Pat and the Chicken
Speaker 16: and then and then he got in trouble and what else?
Speaker 8: And then he got no. Then he got in trouble.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, so.
Speaker 5: Well, wow, I never knew that.
Speaker 1: He said, what I listen, take a shot for no reason.
Speaker 1: I'm taking I'm gonna tak a shot. I don't know why.
Speaker 7: I don't want I'm like, no, no, stas man.
Speaker 3: I just always love to see Project God name Project Past.
Speaker 5: He's telling you where he's coming from, and he definitely don't.
Speaker 10: So what should call you?
Speaker 7: Fleet Market, Sunny.
Speaker 1: State, s Sunday State, sales.
Speaker 4: I'm not taking anything away from clip.
Speaker 7: Artist dude w B T. I mean.
Speaker 8: A few a few years ago, Flip Kane.
Speaker 7: Flippers, we would yeah you know, Flip yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 7: what we want.
Speaker 1: That's what you want.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, Pat can't packed came, three to six came,
Speaker 6: So now Flippers don't know.
Speaker 8: So I'm just saying, I mean, he's.
Speaker 1: A drink Chambala la, Okay, we'll move on.
Speaker 4: You got it from Motana Ross, French Montana, you.
Speaker 7: Don't have bunny style.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe it's a cop out.
Speaker 2: I have a personal relationship with him, so I just
Speaker 2: I just connect him in a different way. I love
Speaker 2: Rick Ross, but you know, I've seen French in the studio.
Speaker 2: I kind of been there. I just have different experiences
Speaker 2: for me. You know, these questions aren't just like who's
Speaker 2: a better lyricist.
Speaker 7: We actually respect both people.
Speaker 1: We always mention. Yeah, it's about it's.
Speaker 2: About just having these conversations everything conversation Who you know,
Speaker 2: who do I connect with on some kind of level.
Speaker 2: You know, Nas to me is cheating because that album,
Speaker 2: to me, just is the greatest. So most questions will
Speaker 2: be him. You know, French, I know is a person
Speaker 2: I hung out seen him records. I just feel it
Speaker 2: in a different way.
Speaker 1: You look, you go to the same karate class with some.
Speaker 3: Fresh ones rap Smockfield, I got the next one. Okay,
Speaker 3: go ahead, my bad all right, Steve u g K.
Speaker 3: Out casts. No excuse me, You're getting much harder questions
Speaker 3: than me. I'm gonna say, out casts, okay, any reason why?
Speaker 6: I mean they want album of the Year was a
Speaker 6: double album? Oh yeah, I forgot and you know l
Speaker 6: A and you know Face like brothers to me. So
Speaker 6: I was just closer to them. That's La eating baby Face.
Speaker 6: I like how you like seldomly say like some of.
Speaker 7: The through the executive reason why.
Speaker 1: Artist?
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask y'all both, but I'm gonna start
Speaker 3: with you, so I think I know your answer.
Speaker 1: Ready illmatic or ready to die.
Speaker 8: Ill madic?
Speaker 1: No madic.
Speaker 2: Illmatic too, but ill madic ready to die in reasonable
Speaker 2: doubt is always a fun and difficult conversation because there's like.
Speaker 4: No wrong answer.
Speaker 1: It's I don't think it is no wrong as.
Speaker 2: I said, NOAs, but I mean all all three and
Speaker 2: I threw in a third wait, didn't, didn't, didn't. Kendrick
Speaker 2: just post something about reasonable doubt and allmatic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw.
Speaker 2: I don't know if because he said reasonable talk amongst yourselves.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he put reasonable doubt over ellmatic. I saw
Speaker 7: something he was like following me. I don't know where
Speaker 7: that came from. I think it was a Twitter post
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 17: I think, you know, my Street team, my New York
Speaker 17: Street Team would have fights in the office about reasonable
Speaker 17: doubt and maadic like you know, but in the Arab
Speaker 17: when Buddha was was in this, it was Buddha, Goby
Speaker 17: and oh j I mean it was was it was
Speaker 17: all of them and definitely, I mean they literally would
Speaker 17: go at.
Speaker 1: Each other.
Speaker 8: And you know when reasonable that came up, they did
Speaker 8: that independently. So you really but that wasn't the question though, right, No.
Speaker 1: Great conversation regardless.
Speaker 4: Yeah, reasonable I just feel like it's the third.
Speaker 7: But but but at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 7: Bigs Jay and Dane they did that ship themselves.
Speaker 6: You know, they didn't have a Sony muscle. They didn't
Speaker 6: have That was what freezing priority originally. Yeah, it was
Speaker 6: freeze and was a priority.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it's crazy that you think that like three masterpieces
Speaker 2: that really just kind of changed everything. Like I agree,
Speaker 2: all came out in a consolid the amount of time.
Speaker 2: I mean because when the two of them were ninety four, right,
Speaker 2: and when it was ninety six.
Speaker 1: And because reasonable doubt was ninety six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so ninety four, ninety four, ninety six. But
Speaker 2: it's just to me crazy when these conversations happened. I
Speaker 2: think all the answers are the right answers because when
Speaker 2: you talk about to these three, there's no wrong It's
Speaker 2: like off the wall and thriller, like, there's no wrong
Speaker 2: answer there me.
Speaker 1: Personally, let me just reiterate kind of what you were
Speaker 1: saying earlier.
Speaker 3: Atmatic changed my life like personally, but so did the others,
Speaker 3: but in a different way. But Ellmatic was the first
Speaker 3: time I identified with rap music when I actually I
Speaker 3: knew where this guy was talking about without me having
Speaker 3: to even be there, Like just listening to that, I
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck? Like the way he was
Speaker 3: describing certain things, I was just like, go into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so there. I was so there, Got
Speaker 1: you want to go to the next one.
Speaker 2: I haven't made one person drink, by the way, I
Speaker 2: haven't you drink, but not because of me.
Speaker 4: I haven't said I haven't said both once.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold you so, let me ask
Speaker 1: this one. Now, you're gonna make him drink Fat Joe
Speaker 1: or j.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let him drink.
Speaker 5: They're gonna take it versatile.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to take a shot of that, Honey,
Speaker 1: don't cancel your register, said drink.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to sell tickets, ladies and gentlemen. Drink away.
Speaker 7: Cheers.
Speaker 3: Great answer, because you know they just did verses too,
Speaker 3: you know, remember back then?
Speaker 1: So yeah, and they had together.
Speaker 4: That's you knew you were getting me there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: If you come with Slick.
Speaker 2: Record Zugie Fresh, you're getting the same answer.
Speaker 1: Let's go with that.
Speaker 4: Drink, right, Slick Rick and Zugie Fresh, Let's drink.
Speaker 1: Let's drink. Okay.
Speaker 7: I'm not giving this question to Steve because I feel
Speaker 7: like I know we all go with it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 7: Cassidy beating nuts with alcoholics, yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh shit, I would say be nuts. Okay, because
Speaker 4: as a DJ, you stay in New York.
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest. You you very New York.
Speaker 2: They had two songs off the Books and Watch Out Now,
Speaker 2: which were big DJ records. They were big club party
Speaker 2: songs be Nuts at two Big Big and they started
Speaker 2: as a very hardcore group. Yeah, and they had some
Speaker 2: big Was that Pun's first published verse? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's what his big big hit first hit, you know.
Speaker 6: But the great thing about both both groups, you know,
Speaker 6: even though I really talked basketball, I have to go
Speaker 6: baseball here, like the Alcoholics, you know, the number two
Speaker 6: hit it and the number six hitter are so fucking important, yes, right,
Speaker 6: And to me, like I knew what I was going
Speaker 6: to get with both groups. I knew I was going
Speaker 6: to sell three hundred and something thousand records. What was
Speaker 6: your group with the Licks and the beat Nuts. I
Speaker 6: knew they would be just going to get on base
Speaker 6: exactly what they were just going to get on base
Speaker 6: and somebody else was first for you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I inherited the beat.
Speaker 7: Right and all them.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I knew what
Speaker 6: I had. It was like putting like the Yankees together, right,
Speaker 6: so they lab were they on first?
Speaker 4: Relativity?
Speaker 7: Relativity?
Speaker 1: Relativity beating us relatives? Yeah, that's just saying I inherited
Speaker 1: Joe relative as well.
Speaker 7: Right, Both amazing legendary groups.
Speaker 5: I always thought a baseball roster one do not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I always loved when a hip hop group
Speaker 2: that wasn't known for making party records made one just
Speaker 2: by chance, of course, because it was so natural and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's organic. You got the sense no one was trying
Speaker 2: to make a club record or a party record or
Speaker 2: anything that it crossed over in any way. But those
Speaker 2: two records, it was just like this organic. Well, the
Speaker 2: females were dope producers themselves.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were exactly. They were one like they were twins.
Speaker 6: One's East coast, one's West coast, you know, as I felt.
Speaker 7: The same way alcoholic No, no, but literally twins, he said.
Speaker 5: One from one place to one.
Speaker 1: But they would have seen it.
Speaker 5: They were just from the East coast, once from the west.
Speaker 1: And the no that they have, yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: were both.
Speaker 6: They were both contained. But the but the licks on
Speaker 6: the West coast, you mean make room only when I'm dropped.
Speaker 6: The next level were tremendous, tremendous, tremendous club records.
Speaker 7: Yea, and coming from King t Yeah, like that whole
Speaker 7: lineage was crazy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm sending this to you, Cassidy Timberland or
Speaker 1: Swiss Beats, Swiss.
Speaker 7: Going.
Speaker 1: He's not trying to get you all.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm right, I don't know. We were waiting
Speaker 7: for seventeen hours today.
Speaker 3: By the way, I wanted to announce that to you.
Speaker 3: We they rappers. We have so much of a bad
Speaker 3: name coming late today. We had one of the famous
Speaker 3: DJs in the world and one of the biggest executives
Speaker 3: in the world, and they were both late.
Speaker 4: But it was rappers.
Speaker 1: We all stop this getting for.
Speaker 4: The record for the five feet of water.
Speaker 1: Just take it. Just take it, Cassidy. But we were
Speaker 1: all here though.
Speaker 2: I know that it's very true, and I still don't
Speaker 2: understand how you guys a marine flood with five ft away.
Speaker 7: The sneakers are still fucking spotless.
Speaker 1: Did you see that? That's the difference. We are literally
Speaker 1: in the trenches. The next one, let me see, Barker,
Speaker 1: what is the next one?
Speaker 7: Artifacts of Cela Dwellers because they were online. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 7: I mean, they're both dope, but I would have said
Speaker 7: advanced the boardwalk funk flex or DJ clue funk flex.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Let me explain answers, but I haven't explained the past few,
Speaker 2: but record.
Speaker 1: Explain the answers. What flex and clue I will love that.
Speaker 2: What was the last one I wanted to explain? I
Speaker 2: guess it's past the point. Swiss and Tim never mind,
Speaker 2: but I'll explain Flex and.
Speaker 7: Okay, you can explain both. It's okay. We waited for
Speaker 7: you all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got seventeen hours. I got three hours.
Speaker 2: He told you one White House story. There's many many
Speaker 2: more to go. One involving the song fight the Power.
Speaker 2: We can come back to that later. So what's that
Speaker 2: Flex and clue? Yeah, so both are friends of mine
Speaker 2: and mentors of mine. Came before me, looked up to both.
Speaker 2: Flex just symbolizes something that is, you know, to me
Speaker 2: growing up, it was like Hulk Hogan and funk Master Flex.
Speaker 4: I always compare Flex to Holk Hogan.
Speaker 2: You know how in the WWF they kept on taking
Speaker 2: the belt away, like they kept trying to take the
Speaker 2: belt away from Hulk, And whoever they made champion couldn't
Speaker 2: be Champion Ultimate Warrior. He just wasn't Hulk. Macho man,
Speaker 2: he just wasn't Hulk Rick Flair, he just wasn't Hulk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: ro limos woo, Yes, no one is funk Master Flex.
Speaker 2: It's why since I was in the sixth grade, I
Speaker 2: still hear the same voice on the radio. How uncanny
Speaker 2: is that? Think of how how hip hop music has
Speaker 2: changed from nineteen ninety three to twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 2: yet the person at the helm of it in New
Speaker 2: York City is the same voice.
Speaker 4: How insane is that?
Speaker 2: And he defies everything that everyone always thinks about hip
Speaker 2: Hop's a young man's game, you know, there's you know,
Speaker 2: there's a revolving door. You know, everything that's everyone said
Speaker 2: over the years. It's not really true in every sense
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: It's not but people say it. But isn't he like
Speaker 2: one of the greatest examples of how that's not true. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: And so for me, there's you know, hard to get
Speaker 2: a ticket, hard to get a ticket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: We still went to New York twice, like just you know,
Speaker 3: since you know, we work out here, and I literally
Speaker 3: sometimes can't enjoy my city unless I listen to Flex
Speaker 3: on the radio and I see him tear it down. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I love if there's a hit record that he's playing
Speaker 3: he tells people.
Speaker 1: To pull over. I love it.
Speaker 3: When he told people go on the cash register, I
Speaker 3: was like, wait a minute, this might be too far.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I love that. That makes me feel like
Speaker 3: I'm back home.
Speaker 8: Yeah, passionate.
Speaker 4: I mean he's home. I love Clue too, don't get
Speaker 4: it too love.
Speaker 1: I love Clue too.
Speaker 2: I love and Clude changed the game in many ways,
Speaker 2: and no one else did. THET albums of course too.
Speaker 2: But you know what you just said is so it's
Speaker 2: so Surreally, he's like the voice of home.
Speaker 1: Like like like when he.
Speaker 3: Says pull over, sometimes I pull over, Like I literally
Speaker 3: listened pull over New York City.
Speaker 1: I'm like he'll say something crazy like.
Speaker 7: Don't rock up your window.
Speaker 1: I listened to it.
Speaker 3: It's like, so I remember, I remember where it was.
Speaker 3: Drake and Meek was battling right, and this was like
Speaker 3: this was like the first King Drink and you know
Speaker 3: Ken Drinck and Drake is now the biggest battle. That
Speaker 3: is the biggest battle ever. But at this point, Meek
Speaker 3: and Drake was the biggest. And I remember Flex saying
Speaker 3: I got this record. I literally missed my flight. I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't get on the this is before
Speaker 3: like I was on a plane. It's like that I
Speaker 3: could I could have still caught my flight. Like an idiot.
Speaker 1: I'm at the airport. I'm damn there down the block.
Speaker 1: This is when you flew commercial listen.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, I said, hold up, I can't
Speaker 3: get on this flight knowing how you know, hip hop
Speaker 3: just fails without I got to hit listen to both
Speaker 3: both of these ships going on.
Speaker 1: Come to find down they have no record. Yo.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I missed the flight. It was everything,
Speaker 3: but it was It meant so much. Even if I
Speaker 3: probably would have been offered, YO, just listen to the
Speaker 3: Apple on the flight.
Speaker 1: You know you have Wi Fi.
Speaker 3: Even if I even offered that, I probably wouldn't have
Speaker 3: wanted to do it, because you know why, I wanted
Speaker 3: to be in the city listening to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a different feeling. And Flex has always gave.
Speaker 4: Me that, like it's a different film Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: He plays classics, and he uses only vinyl, and he
Speaker 2: brings viral up to the station. He's done it for overtime,
Speaker 2: and I really know that, and I rarely miss the
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve and that for someone reason. Hearing him play
Speaker 2: hip hop from the seventies and eighties and soul music
Speaker 2: from the seventies and eighties, now it feels like Christmas
Speaker 2: Eve to me because it's really that music is really
Speaker 2: the sound of celebration. It's probably why I would imagine
Speaker 2: he he he chose that night to play that music.
Speaker 2: And you know, I moved to LA six years ago
Speaker 2: and I've listened to that on so notes. And to
Speaker 2: compliment what you just said, it's not the same. You
Speaker 2: gotta be there.
Speaker 1: You gotta be there. You gotta be out of the city.
Speaker 3: You gotta like, look at the guy with the frank stand,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You gotta look at the
Speaker 3: guy you know that's walking by selling peanuts, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that shit is like it like
Speaker 3: like I immediately get mad when I go back to
Speaker 3: New York City.
Speaker 1: You have to.
Speaker 3: We have a certain type of anger that comes with
Speaker 3: the city. And if you don't, you know, if you've
Speaker 3: got to be a little bit mad when you land back.
Speaker 3: You gotta just look at somebody, look at you know, well,
Speaker 3: because if not, the city will hit you up.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's a beautiful, negative, most beautifulest place
Speaker 3: on the earth.
Speaker 1: But that energy you have to match it that.
Speaker 7: You cannot not be a lion in the lion's cage.
Speaker 1: Well setting even if you're not a lion. You Why
Speaker 1: are you in that lion's cage?
Speaker 3: You better act like it, get your get your ass
Speaker 3: out of there because you that.
Speaker 7: But all right, cool, let's go to the next one.
Speaker 7: Let's see what we got. Definitely you take this podcast
Speaker 7: of radio.
Speaker 1: I'm with you guys podcast radio.
Speaker 3: By the way, you just want to be let me
Speaker 3: just point out that you're the first person that I
Speaker 3: ever see honey.
Speaker 1: Like, like, like, did you plan this out? That shot
Speaker 1: takes two hours to get done.
Speaker 2: I'm losing my voice, so I asked the hotel for
Speaker 2: these little jars of honey.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you knew this was happening. So it's not
Speaker 1: my weed. It's not like that.
Speaker 3: Cool Now I'm thinking. I'm thinking, I'm like, yo, man,
Speaker 3: this is not right. The fans gonna look at this and.
Speaker 10: Like what is.
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Like? Cool? So I he's so everyone knows. Nor did
Speaker 1: I try to out trying to smoke him the fuck out?
Speaker 3: No, he already knew his voice was cracking. Here he
Speaker 3: had pre honey. I never seen somebody with pre honey.
Speaker 3: That ship is fucking fantastic. I ain't gonna lie. I'm like,
Speaker 3: still your still your idea? Get you publishing on it though. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it to Okay, three six Mafia or a.
Speaker 1: Boy m J.
Speaker 4: You're giving him very tough, loud affiliated.
Speaker 3: Questions six and I'm going to you too, three six Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is definitely you brand Nubian or tribecal.
Speaker 2: Quest tribe called quest you just RAPI fire. I'm very
Speaker 2: definitive in my hip hop emotions.
Speaker 1: Do you would you like to explain it? Because I
Speaker 1: know you've you didn't like that.
Speaker 4: Could explain that you could?
Speaker 1: Can you please? Yeah?
Speaker 2: My other favorite album of all time is Midnight Marauders. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 2: so they're not going to lose too many questions.
Speaker 1: Okay, where was you at when you first heard mid
Speaker 1: Right MARDs?
Speaker 2: That was twelve, about the same age as Elmatic, maybe
Speaker 2: a year younger.
Speaker 4: I think you can tell like.
Speaker 2: Kind of the era people grew up in in many
Speaker 2: cases by what their favorite hip hop albums are, because
Speaker 2: my three came out in like a three year time span,
Speaker 2: the thirdest Cuban links.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, they definitely been setting you up all night.
Speaker 3: By the way, it's your friend mister Lee who fucking
Speaker 3: writes these questions, So don't don't look at me, mister
Speaker 3: Lee and Hazard a sound.
Speaker 1: Exhibit or Rascal.
Speaker 4: You're really doing this? This this guys, that's not good.
Speaker 6: I mean they're best friends, they're extremely close, but don't
Speaker 6: you know you go with the ex Yeah.
Speaker 8: Do you remember when me and next had an argument? No,
Speaker 8: and me and you, you would come by the office
Speaker 8: to say.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay, you back town. Recently, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: you had an argument yesterday. What happened?
Speaker 2: No, Jesus Jesus you you really haven't given Steve the
Speaker 2: hardest one of this category.
Speaker 4: Okay, es if you don't go there, I kind of
Speaker 4: want to. I kind of want to throw it out there,
Speaker 4: throw it out you want to take.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna ask the three of you. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: and rak Onon or ghost Face.
Speaker 1: Both? Okay, shot crowd. I'm proud because is really both wall.
Speaker 4: Wait, we're getting there. Okay, give up your answer yet.
Speaker 4: We're waiting for you.
Speaker 2: This is opening act, right, Okay, Yeah, this is the
Speaker 2: same question, the same question, Nori.
Speaker 4: Yeah, rak One the chef or ghost Face killer.
Speaker 3: I just said both. You said both of ye What
Speaker 3: that means the shot took it. Yeah, yeah, I said both.
Speaker 4: Steve Rifkins, I'm saying both, so we we I mean,
Speaker 4: you dank a hard question.
Speaker 1: That's like saying which kid you like better? Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 9: For me.
Speaker 1: It's like saying which foot you like better? I like? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, ask no, Yes, Premiere or Pete Rock? Okay?
Speaker 1: Got me? And I'm taking it back. Can you one more?
Speaker 1: And taking it back? Okay?
Speaker 2: And so we asked the same question to others. You
Speaker 2: a different one ahead, but I'm gonna ask the same
Speaker 2: to you. I'm curious what you he took a shot already.
Speaker 1: No, no, I didn't, but I would take a shot
Speaker 1: and say.
Speaker 4: Both, say both, Steve, DJ, Premier, Pete.
Speaker 1: Rock both definitely got the next one? All right? I
Speaker 1: can't do one more?
Speaker 7: Yeah, please go on more around for you?
Speaker 1: Yes, three three is my lucky numbers. Three and holding
Speaker 1: on to that rock him where big Daddy came? Okay,
Speaker 1: got me gain, Yeah that's what the game was. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna fight you. I'm not gonna fight what was it?
Speaker 1: What was it? A yein rock came my big Daddy game. Okay,
Speaker 1: now it's back to me.
Speaker 7: I passed the mic back digital analog.
Speaker 4: Is it DJ or a listener?
Speaker 1: It's your criteria game all night.
Speaker 4: Digital?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I just like having more songs with me. There's so
Speaker 2: much I like about Vinyl better. But having a million
Speaker 2: songs is better than having a thousand.
Speaker 1: Like, you couldn't have win just the crack.
Speaker 4: I missed a lot.
Speaker 1: You couldn't have went to jay Z and Beyonce's wedding
Speaker 1: with Vinyl.
Speaker 4: Oh, no I did. I went all over the world
Speaker 4: with Vinyl.
Speaker 1: Because they use only one guest invited, right, he was only.
Speaker 2: You, and I would have had to carry my own crates.
Speaker 2: You to carry your own I did that for many years.
Speaker 5: God damn it.
Speaker 1: That's made some noise for that.
Speaker 2: Any DJ that was worth anything to carry their own
Speaker 2: creates for a while. Eight crates in the trunk of
Speaker 2: a New York time. See one in the front, one
Speaker 2: in the back. You could bring eight crates in a cab, but.
Speaker 7: I ain't doing the cab though.
Speaker 5: That's horrible.
Speaker 1: Damn, I don't even like that's that's so yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stick to the trunk.
Speaker 2: One in the front, one in the back. But it
Speaker 2: took five cabs to get one that let you do that.
Speaker 1: Diego couldn't even put up pizza in here today.
Speaker 5: He smell.
Speaker 1: He said, you carry the person.
Speaker 2: So listen to this.
Speaker 1: One night we were talking.
Speaker 3: Is the strongest guy on the strongest guy with the
Speaker 3: pizza pizza one of the strongest guys strong carry crates
Speaker 3: in the New York City taxi cab?
Speaker 1: Can you look at my front? Untell? What the hell
Speaker 1: is going on?
Speaker 2: In many In many instances in New York, you know,
Speaker 2: they would block the street off. So we talked about
Speaker 2: Cheetah for instance, right, I love so Cheetah was on
Speaker 2: twenty first Street between fifth and sixth Avenues, so if
Speaker 2: the club was extra popping, they would barricade the whole
Speaker 2: street on Fifth Avenue and sixth Avenue, and Cheetah was
Speaker 2: smacked in between fifth and sixth. So I would walk
Speaker 2: out of there a four point thirty and no cars
Speaker 2: could get through the club. So I was carrying a
Speaker 2: crate out of time to Fifth Avenue and had someone
Speaker 2: watch them while I went back and got the rest.
Speaker 8: So before Cheetah, it was a club called Privatize.
Speaker 6: Oh sound sound forty fifth Street, twenty first Street Privatized, right,
Speaker 6: It was just I.
Speaker 1: Got too excited.
Speaker 7: Strip club, Yeah, vip down the road, let me.
Speaker 1: Call myself down Yeah yeah, but okay, Private Eye privatized
Speaker 1: and it was the first video club. What does that mean?
Speaker 6: The club was full all videos. They would But what
Speaker 6: he did, like with past the mic it was the
Speaker 6: recorded is the DJ would play.
Speaker 1: The eighty three.
Speaker 7: Yes in sync with the DJ the videos playing Yeah,
Speaker 7: like it was.
Speaker 8: I mean it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was amazing and the most beautiful woman in the
Speaker 1: world with it.
Speaker 2: A crazy, a crazy thing about Steve is, you know,
Speaker 2: much of the public associates Steve with Loud Records and
Speaker 2: hip hop New York hip hop.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, O.
Speaker 2: But Steve could tell you a place in time, in
Speaker 2: a story for every classic R and B record. You know,
Speaker 2: I do fancy myself somewhat of an encyclopedia. There's of
Speaker 2: course people who could you know, taught me. But every
Speaker 2: record I ever play or love or mentioned, there was
Speaker 2: an you know on the show pass to my Steve
Speaker 2: worked the record as a twenty year old, or Steve
Speaker 2: brought the record Frankie Crocker, or some crazy story that
Speaker 2: Steve was involved.
Speaker 4: He's like the far risk gump of like R and
Speaker 4: B promotion of the early eighties.
Speaker 7: We kind of already found out with this new addition
Speaker 7: added story.
Speaker 5: With you, it's always so new.
Speaker 1: Boom alight we moving on to the next one. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh god, I got, I got, I got hold up?
Speaker 7: Will be in her trap called quick. We said that
Speaker 7: I was in the bathroom. You didn't exhibit too?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, you you said Kanye too?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Kanye or Pharrell? I'm going with you Pharrell, Like, do
Speaker 1: we take a shot because they're not on the same level.
Speaker 7: Your connection with Yate? How did that form so so strongly?
Speaker 18: I didn't know him, Like when like his first few albums,
Speaker 18: he was at Matahisa at the restaurant, at the restaurant
Speaker 18: and I was there and Noboo comes up to me
Speaker 18: and says, you know Kanye.
Speaker 7: I said, actually no, I said, can you go back
Speaker 7: to him and see if it's okay.
Speaker 1: To say hello?
Speaker 7: So do you remember when you guys did to drink
Speaker 7: champs in my office in La Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 6: I had a concept to do an album where I
Speaker 6: took nine of the most relevant rappers in like twenty seventeen,
Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, and Redo thirty six Chambers.
Speaker 1: And I wanted, wait, wait, okay, you going keep going? Wait?
Speaker 1: Wait wait?
Speaker 7: What was resil?
Speaker 8: And honest yeah, me and ris were partner really.
Speaker 7: Yeah and that was like every song that redo the
Speaker 7: whole album.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 8: And I wanted Yay to be Risen.
Speaker 1: Mm wow.
Speaker 8: We didn't.
Speaker 6: I could have called Scooter, but I knew Scooter as
Speaker 6: a manager. No matter, even though I raised Scooter, I
Speaker 6: would be he would.
Speaker 1: Have blocked it.
Speaker 6: And he just happened to be there. I said, is
Speaker 6: it all right if I come by tomorrow or whatever?
Speaker 6: He says please, And he's a huge basketball fan and
Speaker 6: he had a game every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and he says,
Speaker 6: you play ball. I said, yeah, but I just had
Speaker 6: heart surgery, so I didn't know how. I said, okay,
Speaker 6: if I bring my son, and I don't like to
Speaker 6: lose it. So you know, my son played college ball,
Speaker 6: so so I brought my son, and.
Speaker 1: You know, he was on my team.
Speaker 8: And with my son on the team, you know, we
Speaker 8: didn't lose a game. So it was cool and we
Speaker 8: you know, and we just started talking.
Speaker 6: And then I saw what type of sneakers though it
Speaker 6: He goes, they're gonna be the easy basketball shop. And
Speaker 6: I said, that's another big dollars for you right there.
Speaker 6: And I said, you know, I consulted Nike, you know,
Speaker 6: for Alicia. I was feel nice personal consultant, and he
Speaker 6: literally pretty much hied me on the spot.
Speaker 1: Wow mhm.
Speaker 7: And that relationship has been tested, yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean there's times when he hates my guts, like
Speaker 6: you know, and there are times that he loves me
Speaker 6: to death.
Speaker 1: But I'll always be that from right, even when I
Speaker 1: just even when I disagree with him.
Speaker 3: You guys saw it that one time when yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: don't man, he felt like you wanted to address that.
Speaker 1: Huh, I said, we felt like you wanted to address that?
Speaker 1: But then or now? Uh right?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 19: Yeah, no, I mean finally make sense. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 19: I know he has a heart of goals, right, and
Speaker 19: you know what he means basically. And if you remember
Speaker 19: when I hugged him that I was a true it
Speaker 19: wasn't a fake, you know hug and I was like,
Speaker 19: whoever is wherever it came from?
Speaker 1: He just said it wrong, right, and and that's what
Speaker 1: it it was.
Speaker 19: You know, if I said, hey, you know what, I
Speaker 19: need to borrow five million dollars just you know, he
Speaker 19: was happy to see.
Speaker 8: He would he would give me the money.
Speaker 7: That's without that's what That's not what we're talking about, though. No,
Speaker 7: so I I just think he has a hard time
Speaker 7: communicating really what he wants to say.
Speaker 1: And and then that's all and that's all it is, right,
Speaker 1: Kendrick or Drake.
Speaker 2: Huh No, got what he's Jesus, No, it's not really
Speaker 2: got him. It's not a both or the ear. I
Speaker 2: just have different Well you have to answer one. Steve
Speaker 2: got him. Okay, Kendrick, you're not like us. I gotta
Speaker 2: be honest with you. It has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: the with the Beef records, no, but but I'm just
Speaker 2: saying I am.
Speaker 1: But they're not like Uh.
Speaker 4: I just feel musically the songs.
Speaker 2: That I'm going to listen to forever there there there
Speaker 2: are songs in Kendrick's catalog.
Speaker 4: Musically that to me are just deep, just on another level.
Speaker 2: And so for one word answer Kendrick, but you know
Speaker 2: it's obviously way more complex. But having nothing to do
Speaker 2: with it. That wasn't a who won the beef question.
Speaker 2: We're just having fun with it. How about you, Kendrick,
Speaker 2: Steve hesitate. He said, they're not like us not.
Speaker 1: Like, but but if you if you look at my
Speaker 1: heritage of music, right, who who? Who is Kendricks?
Speaker 8: I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1: It's Prodigy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the reason why he started rapping.
Speaker 7: He says, Prodigy.
Speaker 1: Google it again, he's gonna save Please. Hey, Google, I
Speaker 1: like how Steve knows the room. What you said? He said?
Speaker 1: He said, google us under the influence.
Speaker 7: That's a horridful.
Speaker 1: Jesus, Jesus. All right, yeah, but you tell us when
Speaker 1: they when Hey, hey, Google's not that slow, bro, It's
Speaker 1: called high speed internet. Bro, don't blame it on the
Speaker 1: rain neither. Why do you both have just say Kendrick
Speaker 1: and Prodigy?
Speaker 10: M hm.
Speaker 1: A little okay? Well yeah, all right, he's on you
Speaker 1: let us know when you find it. He's on dialogue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what kind of Yeah you you on.
Speaker 5: On analog?
Speaker 1: That's present? Yeah? What happened?
Speaker 7: And Prodigy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You that's all you got?
Speaker 3: All that?
Speaker 1: Holy? We better, bro? Better?
Speaker 7: What's worry? Don't talking to sese?
Speaker 1: What's will? I am ship that?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 1: I well?
Speaker 2: I am right?
Speaker 1: No, you know you're a law bro. You're ce Iah
Speaker 1: the next one.
Speaker 5: You got a name?
Speaker 1: She got what Kenner said?
Speaker 7: Kendrick noted Prodigy's influence on his early style and development
Speaker 7: as its writer, and an MC describing the original recording setup.
Speaker 5: It's weird.
Speaker 8: Right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, not all of us went to school. That's
Speaker 5: why you gotta read it.
Speaker 7: You school, Google, bro, You know you can spell it
Speaker 7: roll and Google says, no, this is what you mean.
Speaker 3: At the next one, We're fucked in the future.
Speaker 4: I heard the next one.
Speaker 1: You heard it, right, I know Steve's answer.
Speaker 7: Dead Present Clips was that to me?
Speaker 8: It's a.
Speaker 1: Both.
Speaker 6: I mean, as much as I love Pusher, I mean
Speaker 6: I'm going with Dead Press.
Speaker 1: Now you too. And hip Hop is.
Speaker 8: One of my top five records of all time.
Speaker 7: I love that record, A pivotal record.
Speaker 1: You may between y'all, and I mean, I think that record.
Speaker 7: Means a lot to hip hop.
Speaker 2: Clips, his first album is one of my favorite hip
Speaker 2: hop albums in the past twenty years. Well now it's
Speaker 2: twenty years. God willing will and I love the Clips
Speaker 2: really really, I'm not telling you what I mean.
Speaker 6: But the Dead Press, I mean, at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, I mean that record to this day will
Speaker 6: still be played everywhere.
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the last question for the interview, But
Speaker 3: this is the last question for a quick time with live.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to lead the witness. Don't lead
Speaker 1: the witness. Both for y' all you can answer at
Speaker 1: the same time. Just to look way.
Speaker 7: One of the questions the whiz.
Speaker 1: Loyalty or respect loyalty same? Please we need both explanations.
Speaker 1: Why for for me? I grew up.
Speaker 7: If you aren't loyal, You'll be swimming somewhere. Man, You've
Speaker 7: been swimming with the fishes. And listen, not for nothing, Steve,
Speaker 7: but you've been giving Martlasky vibes the whole time.
Speaker 3: We've been always so we know, we know, Bro, you
Speaker 3: got it shut out to your family.
Speaker 2: I think loyalty precedes respect if you're not loyal to
Speaker 2: people who are going to respect you both.
Speaker 1: This is the thing.
Speaker 7: You can't pick both, right, But it's the thing the
Speaker 7: game was to not to not say both.
Speaker 2: It's not the goal to make decisive decisions.
Speaker 7: It's decisive for you. Whatever is decisive. What is your
Speaker 7: decisive right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: So I'm saying it's not both.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, no, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 7: But wouldn't both in this situation be the ideal situation?
Speaker 2: This is why I'm always getting I thought, you have
Speaker 2: to choose one of the other you could only have,
Speaker 2: but you've you've been choosing too well, not you going
Speaker 2: crazy with got a second?
Speaker 4: Hold on a second.
Speaker 2: With every every single pair you've mentioned, not one of
Speaker 2: us have disliked the other.
Speaker 4: It was always which.
Speaker 1: Right, right?
Speaker 4: So respect loyalty, it's which one if you could only
Speaker 4: have one.
Speaker 7: But there's two different things, to be honest with you,
Speaker 7: But if you had the idea, if you could ideally
Speaker 7: have both, you would have people say to both of
Speaker 7: all the questions on everything they have. They have a
Speaker 7: hard time saying one. Well, because you, guys, I think.
Speaker 5: Two different things.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear you right now. There are
Speaker 1: there are, there are two different blocks.
Speaker 8: At the end of the day.
Speaker 6: You can respect somebody and not be loyal to them, right,
Speaker 6: And you could be loyal to somebody and that and
Speaker 6: not respect them.
Speaker 7: But if you look in a great world where you
Speaker 7: could say, hey, I want you to but it's loyal
Speaker 7: and respect me, yeah, I mean yeah that I would.
Speaker 6: I would love for the whole world to be loyal
Speaker 6: to me, to respect me, to do But at the
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, how I grew up.
Speaker 6: It's about loyalty. You always got you always got to
Speaker 6: go into somebody's house.
Speaker 7: Well, now is we often get respect more than loyalty, right,
Speaker 7: That's what we often get.
Speaker 3: Anything else I would say, like a fifty five not
Speaker 3: I'd say more.
Speaker 7: People say I would prefer they respect me because they
Speaker 7: say loyalty.
Speaker 1: People because it's limits.
Speaker 7: They say, rights.
Speaker 4: Comes from quality. I mean, people.
Speaker 1: Respect you if you if you if you look at
Speaker 1: Rock Nation.
Speaker 6: Or any you know, if it's Kevin Hart's company, Jay's company,
Speaker 6: they're all so loyal to each other. It's a it's
Speaker 6: a beautiful thing to watch. I mean, it really is
Speaker 6: the reason why Loud one we were a team, you
Speaker 6: know from the art. I mean thirty years ago. Like
Speaker 6: I still have a relationship with Joe. I mean when
Speaker 6: I was gone for thirty five minutes, I was on
Speaker 6: the phone with Rizza.
Speaker 9: I have.
Speaker 7: I was like that, but no, no, no, but you're
Speaker 7: taking a ship talking to Rise at the same time.
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: No, No, let me say something.
Speaker 2: After the BT Hip Hop Awards that you are part
Speaker 2: of two years ago, Loud was honored, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you guys were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won.
Speaker 2: Maybe, So after after the awards we went to dinner.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I was gonna ask if you were there.
Speaker 2: You were there, okay, So Fat Joe made a little
Speaker 2: speech and he says something about Steve that was so
Speaker 2: dead on that he't capitalizes Steve to me, he said,
Speaker 2: first of all, who gets ten or more of their
Speaker 2: four more artists artists to show up for a tribute.
Speaker 2: Then he said who gets them to rehearse? Then he
Speaker 2: said who gets them to rehearse the day before and
Speaker 2: the day of? And then he said who gets them
Speaker 2: to rehearse the day before and the day of and
Speaker 2: say nothing but nice things?
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. We was there to witness at hold and
Speaker 1: he used the.
Speaker 7: Back We were definitely there, so we so we we
Speaker 7: finalized this this love and loyalty, love and loyalty, loyalty respect.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: See, I think the entire game I was under the
Speaker 2: impression was to pick because if you're supposed to say
Speaker 2: both and I would like to renag on my Swiss
Speaker 2: and Timberland and my.
Speaker 4: And I thought you had to choose a favorite.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to.
Speaker 7: It was preferably to your criteria. You could pick one
Speaker 7: or the other or.
Speaker 2: Both, right, But I thought the cop out is saying
Speaker 2: both the cop right, it's the cop out.
Speaker 7: Okay, so all right, but you're actually the way you're
Speaker 7: saying it, you're right, man, that you're fucking right, And
Speaker 7: it sucks because.
Speaker 1: You're saying.
Speaker 2: No, no way.
Speaker 12: Steve says to me every day, you can't debate the
Speaker 12: guy right, because the way I'm trying to argue it
Speaker 12: is like, if I had the choice, these are the two,
Speaker 12: I would want both of those things.
Speaker 7: But then you're saying the way we put the game
Speaker 7: up is the cop.
Speaker 8: So let me tell you a funny story.
Speaker 1: So this is passing.
Speaker 6: Mic is really it's his baby, like I'm an uncle
Speaker 6: or a grandfather. Right, So when I really disagree with
Speaker 6: them on something, my fiance, she she knows how to communicate. Right,
Speaker 6: it takes me two weeks. I'll streaming him for two weeks,
Speaker 6: something about himself, hang up the phone. I mean, I
Speaker 6: won't talk to him, Mike. I I gotta get I
Speaker 6: gotta get myself ready, knowing I got to get myself
Speaker 6: two weeks because I know how he's gonna come back
Speaker 6: with the fucking thing. No when he has a vision
Speaker 6: there's no fucking way you could change his mind. So
Speaker 6: I got to come with every fucking fact, possible reason.
Speaker 6: And Aliyah, she really knows how to communicate. Well, so
Speaker 6: your wife, that's your wife fiance. Yeah, so I'm like
Speaker 6: rehearsing every fucking day for two weeks, pacing back and
Speaker 6: forth in my bedroom to go at this motherfucker.
Speaker 7: So it's very rarely that you're gonna win a debate
Speaker 7: with him.
Speaker 1: You have to go a different way around.
Speaker 4: So again, I haven't found the way.
Speaker 8: I just said, there's no fucking way.
Speaker 7: Listen, I don't think you really answered when I told
Speaker 7: when I asked you like that moment, those things that
Speaker 7: that moment that really I know you said, there's many right,
Speaker 7: it's hard they got you down, but no, no, but
Speaker 7: there has to be this pivotal thing that happened between
Speaker 7: a moment that you're just this DJ kid and then
Speaker 7: you become this other thing.
Speaker 4: Again. I think I know it sounds it's not a
Speaker 4: copy out of an answer. There were there was like
Speaker 4: a five year.
Speaker 2: Span from age an era, Yeah, age seventeen to twenty
Speaker 2: three or eighteen to to you know, seventeen to twenty
Speaker 2: two or eighteen to twenty three, maybe a five year
Speaker 2: span where every opportunity really snowballed into the next and
Speaker 2: all those things, from the school parties to the internships.
Speaker 1: To the first celebrity.
Speaker 2: Seeing me DJ all led to what came next, and
Speaker 2: everyone heard me at someone else's party and ended up
Speaker 2: calling me.
Speaker 4: And by the time I was in my low twenties,
Speaker 4: I became known.
Speaker 2: For playing not only celebrities parties, but hip hop celebrities parties.
Speaker 2: And I think over the years when I get asked
Speaker 2: most like, what why do you think that happened? Why
Speaker 2: did you end up the guy at that time in
Speaker 2: your life playing for the heavyweights of hip hop? And
Speaker 2: I always I hate answering that question because I don't
Speaker 2: like speaking for the people who called on me.
Speaker 4: The truth is only they know.
Speaker 2: But I think the real answer is why I was
Speaker 2: the DJ that all these hip hop heavyweights was calling
Speaker 2: was because of soul music. I don't think any of
Speaker 2: them were necessarily like a jay Z, attracted to me
Speaker 2: because of the way I played hip hop. Now, I'd
Speaker 2: like to think I played hip hop just greatly, yes, immaculately,
Speaker 2: But I think what that one special draw was was
Speaker 2: how I played the soul music of the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 2: and that music wasn't how I started. I was a
Speaker 2: hip hop kid, I thought very early on in life.
Speaker 2: I thought that to fully embrace hip hop, you had
Speaker 2: to hate everything else. I thought that to really be
Speaker 2: a part of hip hop, you had to hate.
Speaker 7: Rock and roll and everything else when hip hop is
Speaker 7: sampling all of this.
Speaker 2: And so we talked about Cool Hark, Africa, Bimbad, and
Speaker 2: Grandmaster Flash earlier. And remember when I said, I knew
Speaker 2: what they looked like, but I didn't know about them.
Speaker 2: So once I was a little older in twelve thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 2: and I learned about them. I learned that they weren't
Speaker 2: playing hip hop music because there was no hip hop music.
Speaker 2: They were creating what became hip hop music through playing
Speaker 2: R and B, soul, funk, disco, rock and roll, Latin music,
Speaker 2: and all kinds of music. And that fascinated me and
Speaker 2: made me want to be this encyclopedia of music. And
Speaker 2: that journey led me to the sole music of the
Speaker 2: seventies and eighties, which in many ways became not what
Speaker 2: I played everywhere for everyone, but in many ways became
Speaker 2: my signature sound.
Speaker 8: Can I say something. I threw a party at my
Speaker 8: house after the B E. T.
Speaker 20: Walls Is it two thousand and seven around and I
Speaker 20: must have had five hundred of my closest friends at
Speaker 20: my house. Well and and I mean name some of
Speaker 20: these closest friends.
Speaker 6: I mean I'm joking the famous people and the most
Speaker 6: the most famous people in the world, like the Who's
Speaker 6: not the B List? Not to C List that AA
Speaker 6: from Barba streisand on down Jesus at the house right.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 1: He was the DJ.
Speaker 6: So then no, he it was two thousand, it was
Speaker 6: two thousand and seven, it was it was the beat.
Speaker 6: He was an after party. The party started at two
Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning and it went to ten o'clock
Speaker 6: in the morning.
Speaker 7: Quincy Jones came up to me, who was like a
Speaker 7: father to me. He says, where's Barbara. I'm like, Barbara who?
Speaker 7: And he goes Barbara Streis and I goes, she's here.
Speaker 7: He goes, yeah, she was just over there.
Speaker 2: Let you go.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, it was the craziest thing.
Speaker 6: And again when before he got here, when I talked
Speaker 6: about how he just curates, he had those five hundred people.
Speaker 8: When I'm saying a.
Speaker 1: Lil Wayne.
Speaker 8: That was the day his album came away.
Speaker 6: He scanned over a million units from Lil Wayne on
Speaker 6: down to every major basketball player. I mean, and it
Speaker 6: was he had when I'm saying, that whole fucking house
Speaker 6: in the palm of his hands.
Speaker 8: But I did get him one time.
Speaker 7: Not at two thousand and seven, he says he has
Speaker 7: never been punk before.
Speaker 8: Again, right and again. It took me a month to
Speaker 8: set this up.
Speaker 2: They know the background of your pranks. No, I mean,
Speaker 2: you got to give otherwise it makes this.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'll go into death to get somebody like
Speaker 6: like he's famous for this prank, big expansion, original punk.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So remember I before he was here, I said, I
Speaker 6: gave him a record, Dearly Head On Neil McKnight signed
Speaker 6: to his label, and we do this record, and we
Speaker 6: were talking about something where he goes, I'll never be pumped.
Speaker 1: It's like all right.
Speaker 6: So a month later I invite him out to later
Speaker 6: have dinner at my house. I hired ten stompmen to
Speaker 6: come through the glass windows and to kidnap.
Speaker 4: Us, like they were gonna tie us up.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: I was gonna spend seventy five thousand dollars to get
Speaker 6: his ass, so I don't, so, you know.
Speaker 4: So we go over to the house, we have some drinks,
Speaker 4: it down for dinner as a chef, and.
Speaker 6: For whatever reason, my head of security and we're literally
Speaker 6: I'm here, he's right there, comes and he goes, I'm
Speaker 6: doing a walk and he dropped a gun right, which
Speaker 6: wasn't part of the prank.
Speaker 8: And he just puts his gun right on the table.
Speaker 8: He passed out.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. He saved me seventy five grand I didn't
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 4: Like, never happened.
Speaker 1: Never happened. That was the prank.
Speaker 8: Holy, No, they were literally gonna.
Speaker 4: Was out laughing.
Speaker 2: He couldn't even tell the story for for for a
Speaker 2: half an hour. And he said, I have ten people
Speaker 2: outside for hey to tie us up and kidnapped.
Speaker 1: And this is going to be on the real No,
Speaker 1: this is this.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, not that.
Speaker 1: Holy taking a shot of that.
Speaker 5: Shot.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, pick up these new monster cups they.
Speaker 5: Monster bro. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I think we did it all right, we did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's let's let's let's talk to the people
Speaker 3: one more time.
Speaker 1: When is the resident start?
Speaker 2: So? D J.
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Speaker 6: If you trust my taste in the artist that I
Speaker 6: signed and no, no, but I'm just saying in general
Speaker 6: this show, this show is just as special as every
Speaker 6: artist that I signed. I would not have I would
Speaker 6: not have stick my neck out to Live Nation and
Speaker 6: trond La Feet to say we got to get this
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Speaker 1: By the way, tell them they are to us. We
Speaker 1: risked our life coming out tonight.
Speaker 3: Around swimming an alligator my calmost diggle foul.
Speaker 5: All still let's still still.
Speaker 1: Damn And they said tomorrow even me work, I get me.
Speaker 1: Oh there there, there you go.
Speaker 5: The pictures.
Speaker 1: Why are we taking pictures?
Speaker 5: Sign I come on? The audio might come on. The
Speaker 5: picture your out your mic picture?
Speaker 1: You know norm we get it today. We take youre film.
Speaker 5: By the labious. Let me guess something.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've committed. Once I commit.
Speaker 5: Don't see you.
Speaker 1: I could have a pachuca got the army mine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they just get some pictures with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're gonna have to do dry hands.
Speaker 5: I can't believe that.
Speaker 10: The work.
Speaker 5: I thought we're going into the sun break. You want
Speaker 5: your hard up the legacy. Let me take some pictures.
Speaker 1: Drink yeah.
Speaker 5: Right here, Yeah, gonna stop. It's not sound.
Speaker 1: The ring so when it got dar it's boldy.
Speaker 5: That That's why I'm going to the gun draw No.
Speaker 1: Yo yo cha, I got a rock.
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