Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2: Everybody is the j en Vy Jesse Larius Charlamage, the guy.
Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
Speaker 2: in the building, the legend doctor Phil.
Speaker 1: Welcome. Good morning. How is everybody. How you feeling.
Speaker 3: Let's Black and Holly favored.
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing good.
Speaker 3: You got a new book out. We've got issues.
Speaker 4: How you can stand strong for America's soul in sanity?
Speaker 4: I was I think I was watching the watching Fox
Speaker 4: News one night and I saw you go down to
Speaker 4: the border.
Speaker 1: I did. I went down to the border. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a really unusual situation down there. I've and I've
Speaker 1: heard so much about it, but I want to go
Speaker 1: see it for myself, and uh, it's it's not what
Speaker 1: you think when you go down there. You know, first off,
Speaker 1: they tell everybody that there's this big tension between Texas
Speaker 1: and the national folks. That's not true at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're having together, they're working together, and they're their number
Speaker 1: one priority is keeping everybody safe. Coming across that river
Speaker 1: is deep and it's the current is really strong, and
Speaker 1: they're worried to death. People are going to drown and
Speaker 1: some do out there. So these are you know, they're
Speaker 1: just like they're they're just people with a job. You know,
Speaker 1: there's down there trying to do their job.
Speaker 4: So what's the biggest issue, you'd think, like, what's the
Speaker 4: problem with the with the with the actual boarder.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem is we don't know who's
Speaker 1: coming in and and I and I got to be
Speaker 1: real clear, I am very pro immigration. We need people
Speaker 1: in America. This first, this country wouldn't exist without immigrants,
Speaker 1: and we need immigrants. Our birth rate right now is
Speaker 1: one point six. We need two point one just to
Speaker 1: sustain our current infrastructure. We need people in America or
Speaker 1: we can't pay for everything we need for jobs and
Speaker 1: creativity and just the numbers to support the system. We
Speaker 1: need immigrants. But we do need to know who's coming
Speaker 1: in because I think in just the last month, they
Speaker 1: picked up seventeen that are currently on the terrorist watch list,
Speaker 1: and they're not These are not all Mexican citizens that
Speaker 1: are coming They're coming in from Syria, Libya, China. How
Speaker 1: are they winding up at the southern border, And even
Speaker 1: all of those aren't bad. Between twenty ten and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty they had maybe a couple of hundred or you know,
Speaker 1: several hundred Chinese come across the border in that time,
Speaker 1: eleven hundred, twelve hundred. In the first eleven months of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, it was thirty three thousand. Why, you know,
Speaker 1: you really wonder why, and are these people trying to
Speaker 1: escape the Chinese government and all of the problems they
Speaker 1: have being under a communist regime, or are they Chinese
Speaker 1: operatives that are trying to get into this country to
Speaker 1: create problems. I think it's some of both. But how
Speaker 1: are they getting out of China? You just don't wake
Speaker 1: up in China and say, you know, think I'll take
Speaker 1: a flyer, think I'll take a trip and leave like
Speaker 1: you do in America. That's not how it works in China.
Speaker 1: You got to it's a big deal to get out
Speaker 1: of China. And if you've got family there, you got
Speaker 1: a real problem if you just up and leave. So
Speaker 1: big questions about people coming across the border, who they
Speaker 1: are and who they aren't, and and the border guards
Speaker 1: down there aren't trying to close the border, they're trying
Speaker 1: to control the border. And that was a big revelation
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 5: Now I seen you when you were down the border.
Speaker 2: You were saying that you know that fair was that
Speaker 2: there was a lot of drug smugglers coming in, and
Speaker 2: there was a lot of sex trafficking and sex workers
Speaker 2: coming in, and that was one of the biggest fears.
Speaker 1: I'm often I'm seldom without words. And I asked Brandon Judd,
Speaker 1: who's the head of the union for nationally for the
Speaker 1: border guards. He was the former border guard, he's now
Speaker 1: head of the union. I asked him straight up, these
Speaker 1: children that are coming in, they have addresses written on
Speaker 1: their arms, the phone number written on their arms. And
Speaker 1: I say, so we're contacting those people right and saying
Speaker 1: child's coming in with this number. Do you know this child? Yes,
Speaker 1: we do. Are you prepared to take this child? Yes?
Speaker 1: We are. I said, what are we doing to check
Speaker 1: these people out? I said, are we? Is it possible
Speaker 1: that we are using our resources and tax dollars to
Speaker 1: traffic young children into prostitution, if the sex trade selling
Speaker 1: these children or putting them into sweat chops or whatever.
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, it's not possible. We are, Wow,
Speaker 1: we are. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You
Speaker 1: know there's a camera right here over my shoulder. Right,
Speaker 1: you're telling me we're spending United States citizens tax dollars
Speaker 1: to traffic young children into known sex trade or or sweatshops.
Speaker 1: He said absolutely. I said, why have you Why are
Speaker 1: you not talking about this? Why are people not talking
Speaker 1: about this? And he said, because people aren't asking me
Speaker 1: these direct questions like you're asking. And I'm grateful for
Speaker 1: it is all.
Speaker 3: To be able to do that.
Speaker 1: No, of course not. But they're saying, we're overwhelmed down here.
Speaker 1: We were sending them on and I said, this is outrageous.
Speaker 1: That take the money out of it, that we're funding it.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that we're trafficking these young children and
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a difference to me whether they're Mexican origin, Syrian, whatever.
Speaker 1: They're showing up unaccompanied and where trafficking come on. That's
Speaker 1: that's heartbreaking to me, absolutely, that we're doing that.
Speaker 3: And that's why I ask.
Speaker 4: Is illegal, because she should in charges be bought up
Speaker 4: on those people who are at the border who are
Speaker 4: allowing those children to get put in the sex traffice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd think so, yeah, And he said a lot
Speaker 1: of these children are getting recycled. You'll see children come through,
Speaker 1: and they'll be with a group to make it look
Speaker 1: like a family, and we'll see that same child cycle
Speaker 1: back through. Here a couple of weeks later, it's the
Speaker 1: same kid.
Speaker 5: What a different family.
Speaker 1: They get through, and then they send them back around
Speaker 1: and put them with another group and they come back
Speaker 1: two or three children come back again.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you what you know, of course,
Speaker 2: from your show. For years, you've been fixing people's relationships,
Speaker 2: fixing people's lives.
Speaker 5: What makes you want to fix America?
Speaker 1: We don't. That's a great question all of our I've
Speaker 1: spent twenty one years at CBS doing the show, and
Speaker 1: what made up the composition of the show is what
Speaker 1: we would get most of the time. Now, sometimes we
Speaker 1: do news stories or whatever, but most of the time,
Speaker 1: probably eighty five nine percent of the time would be
Speaker 1: based on the letters we would get, emails that we
Speaker 1: would get from people writing in, and that determined the
Speaker 1: content of the show. I didn't want to guess at
Speaker 1: what people wanted to hear. We looked at what are
Speaker 1: male made up? And so we had choose what was
Speaker 1: the most common sort of thing we were getting asked.
Speaker 1: And that's changed across time. Think about this. I'm a
Speaker 1: little older than you guys, but when I started doctor
Speaker 1: Phil in two thousand and two, the first text message
Speaker 1: had never been sent. Wow, think about how much has changed.
Speaker 1: The first text had never been people weren't doing emails.
Speaker 1: And then about eight to nine it was like big
Speaker 1: C one thirties flew over the country and dropped smartphones
Speaker 1: on everybody. And that changed the world for evermore. And
Speaker 1: it was the biggest change in our lives since the
Speaker 1: Industrial Revolution. Took place way before our generations, but the
Speaker 1: Industrial Revolution changed everything. Right until that time, we were
Speaker 1: an agricultural world. Ninety five percent of the people worked
Speaker 1: on farms. With the Industrial Revolution, that started changing pretty soon.
Speaker 1: It got down to twenty five. Now it's one percent
Speaker 1: our agriculture. Everybody else's mechanized, working in tect and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff that changed the world. I think
Speaker 1: smartphones and technology is the biggest change since the Industrial Revolution.
Speaker 1: And why think about you're walking around with an iPad
Speaker 1: or a phone in your hand that has more computing
Speaker 1: power than we had when we put the Man on
Speaker 1: the Moon in your hand. I mean, think about that,
Speaker 1: the memory, the speed, the computing power, the number of
Speaker 1: operations you can do per second, you think it has
Speaker 1: been for better or worse. I think it's better, I mean,
Speaker 1: but the unintended consequences of it at that same time,
Speaker 1: just think about it. Nobody was going through life this way,
Speaker 1: you know, head up, looking around, and in eight or nine,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody's head went down looking at
Speaker 1: the screen. Walk around now, look out on the streets
Speaker 1: of New York. Everybody's heads like this. You know how
Speaker 1: many times people check their phones every day?
Speaker 3: Too much?
Speaker 1: Three hundred and fifty two times a day on average,
Speaker 1: That includes old people, not just kids, on average, three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two times a day. Now you're figure
Speaker 1: you sleep eight hours, so that's sixteen during sixteen hours.
Speaker 1: They checked their phone three hund and fifty two times
Speaker 1: during that those waking hours. And at the same time
Speaker 1: that those cell phones came out, we saw the biggest
Speaker 1: spikes in depression, anxiety, and loneliness with young people since
Speaker 1: records started getting kept. And why because they stopped living
Speaker 1: their lives and started watching people live their lives, and
Speaker 1: they started comparing their life to the life they were
Speaker 1: watching being lived on that phone. And the problem was
Speaker 1: the life they were watching was a fiction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we watched.
Speaker 4: They spend so much time watching everybody's highlight reel and
Speaker 4: comparing their real life to a highlight reel, and.
Speaker 1: That highlight reel istake most of the time. I've had
Speaker 1: these influencers on the show and they say, I post
Speaker 1: this reel up and I'm putting on these great clothes
Speaker 1: and all that say so excited going to the NBA
Speaker 1: All Star Game tonight, got floors, seats on the floor
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Says, soon as that video's over,
Speaker 1: I carefully take those clothes off because they have to
Speaker 1: go back. I don't own them, I have to return them.
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford to buy those clothes. And then I
Speaker 1: put my sweats on and put my happy ass on
Speaker 1: the couch. I don't have tickets to the NBA All
Speaker 1: Star Games. I'm just doing that, you know, to get followers.
Speaker 1: They're just like everybody else. But all these other people
Speaker 1: are watching this and saying, God, what a loser am I.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to any game. I don't have clothes
Speaker 1: like that, And so by comparison, their self esteem and
Speaker 1: their self worth goes down, and they say it's terrible.
Speaker 4: I think small phones have ruined the sanity of America,
Speaker 4: and I don't think that. I think in the long run,
Speaker 4: we're going to realize it wasn't what we thought. It
Speaker 4: wasn't as good as we thought it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the downsides are huge.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the phones. It's social media more
Speaker 3: so than anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely social media. People don't know. But to
Speaker 1: answer your question, why am I focused on America? The
Speaker 1: question started changing, the questions started changing. People start saying,
Speaker 1: you know, my kids. When I turned sixteen, when I
Speaker 1: was three hundred and fifty five days, twenty three hours
Speaker 1: and fifty nine minutes old, I was standing at the
Speaker 1: DMV to get my driver's license. Right. I wanted that
Speaker 1: license because it's freedom. You're right, you can get out
Speaker 1: and go. And my first car, my older sister gave me.
Speaker 1: It was a Saratoga. It was a Plymouth or Chrysler Saratoga.
Speaker 1: I forget what it was. It would only go She
Speaker 1: gave it to me because it would only go thirty
Speaker 1: eight miles an hour. At thirty nine, it started shaking
Speaker 1: so bad because the front end was gone. But I
Speaker 1: was so glad to get it because it was freedom right.
Speaker 1: They don't even get their driver's license when they turned
Speaker 1: sixteen anymore, I don't care. They date later, they start
Speaker 1: having sex later, they engage with the world later. On average,
Speaker 1: they have less than one good friend because they live
Speaker 1: for followers and clicks and all that. So they're not
Speaker 1: developing emotionally, and you know, they're depressed, anxious, and lonely.
Speaker 1: So the downside is really bad. So the questions started changing.
Speaker 1: I had to start dealing with cyber bullying, cyber predators
Speaker 1: pretending to be a fourteen year old guy getting a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl to come out of her bedroom
Speaker 1: window and meet them at midnight, and they got there
Speaker 1: and it was a forty five year old pedophile that
Speaker 1: abducted them and took off. You know, all of these
Speaker 1: the questions started changing, and they've continued to change now
Speaker 1: where kids are concerned about parents are concerned what are
Speaker 1: their kids getting exposed to at school? Are they getting
Speaker 1: groomed on the internet. You know, they think they're back
Speaker 1: there playing a video game. They don't realize those video
Speaker 1: games are Internet capable, and so they're in chat rooms
Speaker 1: while they're playing the game. You know, things like that,
Speaker 1: And then all of these issues that are now pounding
Speaker 1: on families because I think, I think families in America
Speaker 1: are under attack, and I think I think the family
Speaker 1: unit is the backbone of America, and if that's under attack,
Speaker 1: then America gets weakened. And somebody's got to stand up
Speaker 1: and call this stuff out. And those are the questions
Speaker 1: I'm getting. And I didn't want to write another book.
Speaker 1: You know, you've written books, and I felt into a
Speaker 1: lot of work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got another one coming out soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how much work is it?
Speaker 3: See? This one took me five six years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. And that's time away from family.
Speaker 1: You got to go get in the room by yourself.
Speaker 1: You got to sit down. They're writing and stuff out.
Speaker 1: This is the longest book I've written. It's one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand words, and you probably write three or four hundred
Speaker 1: thousand to get those hundred thousand. It's a lot of work,
Speaker 1: a lot of solitude, a lot of but I felt
Speaker 1: like I had to write this book. Somebody's got to
Speaker 1: call this stuff out. Yeah.
Speaker 4: In the book, you say, in too many instances, we've
Speaker 4: gotten rid of the most important American trade, self determination
Speaker 4: and replaced it with victimization. We've gotten rid of conversation
Speaker 4: and replaced it with cancelation.
Speaker 1: More on that, Well, this cancel culture should be a
Speaker 1: council culture. You know, if you catch somebody with the
Speaker 1: wrong words in their mouth, if you catch somebody that
Speaker 1: is run a foul or some rule or some guideline
Speaker 1: or something, this cancel culture is on them like a
Speaker 1: pack of dogs. And you find some tweet or some
Speaker 1: posts that somebody did years ago, and maybe they're up
Speaker 1: for a job now, promotion now, or they're they're in entertainment,
Speaker 1: they're going to host something or get a big part
Speaker 1: in a movie or whatever. But it's not just entertainment people,
Speaker 1: it's everybody. HR departments go back and find something and
Speaker 1: drag it up now into the future. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're fifteen, sixteen, ten years old, you're brain didn't through growing.
Speaker 1: You do stupid stuff, you say stupid things, you get drunk.
Speaker 1: I think we should have breathalyzers on social media where
Speaker 1: you got to you blow point eight, You can't you
Speaker 1: can't type, and cancel culture seizes on that and jumps
Speaker 1: on that kind of stuff, and I think that's terrible.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of George Orwell's nineteen eighty four where
Speaker 1: they had language police and new speak and you can
Speaker 1: only use these words. And I've done shows on words
Speaker 1: we can't use anymore. And you see these colleges and
Speaker 1: universities that, like some of these schools now don't have
Speaker 1: admissions office to the school because that suggests somebody is
Speaker 1: going to be rejected, so they now have office of
Speaker 1: enrollment management.
Speaker 5: Think it's too soft now?
Speaker 1: I do. And I think when those kids get out
Speaker 1: of college and get out into the dog eat dog world,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna cheer them up and spit them.
Speaker 4: Out, but they're not gonna go into the world. They're
Speaker 4: gonna stay in the house and be on AI beyond,
Speaker 4: be in the metaverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably right.
Speaker 3: They're gonna create their own.
Speaker 2: Do you think even with parenting now it's it's too soft, right?
Speaker 2: We come from an era where it's I know, people say,
Speaker 2: you know, if something happens, your pops or your mom
Speaker 2: encourage you to get it back up there and go
Speaker 2: the next day.
Speaker 5: With now it's like it's more victimization.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we have these concierge parents. They fill out
Speaker 1: the kids application for school. Uh, if he has a
Speaker 1: con he or she has a conflict with a professor,
Speaker 1: the parents shows up and does the argument, Uh for
Speaker 1: the child. That's not how it works. You know, the
Speaker 1: employer is not gonna think your kid is precious. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna think they're the most precious little in the world.
Speaker 1: They're going to fire their dead ass, get somebody in
Speaker 1: there to do the job. And we're not preparing the
Speaker 1: kid for the next level of life. And we've got
Speaker 1: to do that. We ar getting it is too soft.
Speaker 4: The reason I do agree that parents should be showing
Speaker 4: up to talk to these adults sometimes because to the
Speaker 4: point you're making in this book, Man, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of unstable people out here. There's a lot of unstable adults.
Speaker 4: And sometimes when I'm hearing my daughter, who's fifteen, talk
Speaker 4: to some of these teachers, just the way she's describing
Speaker 4: about describing.
Speaker 3: Them, I'm like, something's not right. So I think I
Speaker 3: need to go talk to this parent.
Speaker 4: And I'm talking to this teacher and I've seen it firsthand,
Speaker 4: looking in these eyes, like, yeah, something's not right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. We've got some people that are way
Speaker 1: out of bounds, and parents need to step in, But
Speaker 1: they don't need to smooth out every bump in the childhood.
Speaker 1: Some kids, I think all kids need to fall and
Speaker 1: scrape their knee. Kids need to resolve some issues. You know,
Speaker 1: A kid that's been bullied a little bit, a kid
Speaker 1: that's been experienced some failure, a kid that's been through
Speaker 1: some tough issues is going to be better equipped for
Speaker 1: life than a kid that's never been allowed to experience
Speaker 1: any that. A kid that's been success only journey throughout
Speaker 1: their life. That you know, during the pandemic, these parents
Speaker 1: that went around wiping everything down with these sanitary wipes
Speaker 1: and stuff. Their kids when they got back out in
Speaker 1: the world had terrible coals and flu because their immune
Speaker 1: system got weakened because mom was going around wiping everything
Speaker 1: down so much that their immune system didn't have to work,
Speaker 1: and so they were more vulnerable when they got back
Speaker 1: out there. It's the same way with life. Have you
Speaker 1: guys ever looked into these trigger warnings, any trigger warning,
Speaker 1: like the majority of colleges use trigger warnings. I looked
Speaker 1: at one the other day. They had a trigger warning
Speaker 1: for Romeo and Juliet said, alert suicidality. Well, spoiler alert, come.
Speaker 4: On I wonder if people would even come to that
Speaker 4: conclusion about that movie if you didn't tell them beforehand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, you probably just watched.
Speaker 4: The movie and get something totally different from it. But
Speaker 4: I think that they're telling people what to feel.
Speaker 5: Or they're protecting their own ass.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. All these trigger warnings they talk about.
Speaker 1: You know, this might have some violence in it, This
Speaker 1: might have something about raping it. This might have something
Speaker 1: about sex or drugs, sex, drugs, drug addicts, addiction, or whatever.
Speaker 1: The truth is, there's been a there is a big
Speaker 1: body of research about this that says trigger warnings do
Speaker 1: not work. In fact, trigger warnings create the anxiety that
Speaker 1: they're trying to keep you away from. Just seeing the
Speaker 1: trigger warning creates the anxiety. Not only do they not work,
Speaker 1: they're a negative. And the fact is there's a there's
Speaker 1: evidence and what we call evidence based treatments that say,
Speaker 1: that's not how you handle that. If somebody is sensitized
Speaker 1: to that sort of thing, what you do? There are
Speaker 1: treatments for that. There's evidence based therapies such as systematic desensitization,
Speaker 1: immersion therapy, dialectical behavior therapy where you teach someone to
Speaker 1: learn to cope with it. You don't put them in
Speaker 1: another room so they can avoid it, because when they
Speaker 1: get out in life, they're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: avoid it. So you teach them coping skills so when
Speaker 1: it pops up, they know how to handle that. So
Speaker 1: there's a huge body of literature out there that says
Speaker 1: trigger warnings don't work. Those colleges have the same access
Speaker 1: to that literature that I do, which means they know
Speaker 1: they don't work, just like I know they don't work.
Speaker 1: But yet they continue to use them. Why they're virtue signaling.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to show, Hey, we're super sensitive over here,
Speaker 1: so come give us your money. And I think they
Speaker 1: know they're doing the kid wrong, they know they're doing
Speaker 1: the student wrong. They do it anyway.
Speaker 4: I want to go back to the border right because
Speaker 4: you called out the Vice President Kamala Harris and the
Speaker 4: Biden border crisis, and you called it the humanitarian crisis
Speaker 4: unlike anything we've ever seen before. Is it fair to
Speaker 4: blame Justice administration for what's going on?
Speaker 1: To the board, No, And I didn't call them out.
Speaker 1: I said the current administration is doing it about this
Speaker 1: started under the previous administration, it started jumping up. Nobody's
Speaker 1: handled this. The Republicans haven't handled it, the Democrats haven't
Speaker 1: handled it. It's gotten worse now because there was an
Speaker 1: order in place to hold in Mexico. They took that
Speaker 1: down and so they don't stop them in Mexico now.
Speaker 1: So that caused an influx. But this has never been
Speaker 1: a healthy situation. And I'll tell you why. For years.
Speaker 1: If you, let's say, you want to do it right,
Speaker 1: so you process in, you ask for you know, the
Speaker 1: proper you go through the proper channels, and so you're
Speaker 1: going to get a court date. The average is at
Speaker 1: least seven years. If you truly are concerned for your
Speaker 1: family safety and well being, who's going to wait seven years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm at you say, I'm as here and so I
Speaker 1: need I need help. I need to get out of this.
Speaker 1: I'm in danger. I need to come here for help.
Speaker 1: It's great, here's your court date. Check back with us
Speaker 1: in seven years. If they're truly in a dangerous situation,
Speaker 1: chances are pretty good they'll be dead in seven years.
Speaker 1: You can't give people a seven year date and expect
Speaker 1: them to just say, okay, well we'll go back and
Speaker 1: get shot at or starved, or go through all of
Speaker 1: the dangers that we're going through. What do you expect
Speaker 1: people to do? If I was in another country and
Speaker 1: I truly felt like they were going to come around
Speaker 1: with jack boots and kick my door in and kill
Speaker 1: my children or me or put us all in jail
Speaker 1: or whatever you be. Mice would be in that river.
Speaker 1: That's what it took. I'm going to protect my family.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you absolutely do whatever you have to do. We
Speaker 1: can't cross system the exactly. You can't create a system
Speaker 1: that's broken and then criticize people for doing what they
Speaker 1: have to do to save them selves down. A lot
Speaker 1: of people aren't really in that situation. They just say
Speaker 1: they are. But how do you sort that out? Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing you do is, we don't need eighty
Speaker 1: six thousand new IRS agents. How about eighty six thousand
Speaker 1: new people in the in the border system where we
Speaker 1: can process people and get them in here. Right A,
Speaker 1: we need them and by they want to come here,
Speaker 1: let's let's meet people where they are, let's accommodate their needs,
Speaker 1: let's get them here.
Speaker 4: But you know that's also the other issue, right A
Speaker 4: lot of people in this country feel like they're accommodating
Speaker 4: the needs of the migrants more so and accommodating the
Speaker 4: needs of the everyday American. They're looking at these migrants
Speaker 4: and they feel like they're getting basic necessities like shelter,
Speaker 4: you know, like like food, and they're starving in the
Speaker 4: cities that they're in. That's the other issue that's popping
Speaker 4: up now.
Speaker 1: And that's true in some situations. I mean they are
Speaker 1: it is a crisis. So they're saying, your situation, you've
Speaker 1: found a way to get from day to day to day.
Speaker 1: These people are showing up and they're standing in the rain.
Speaker 1: That's a humanitarian crisis. So we're reacting to the America.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course it is. And two wrongs don't
Speaker 1: make a right. You can't leave these people standing in
Speaker 1: the rain. You've been ignoring these people all this time.
Speaker 1: Those two wrongs don't make a right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, America does not do a good job at solving
Speaker 4: problems at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I put forth in the book ten principles for
Speaker 1: a healthy society, and one of them is stop trying
Speaker 1: to win arguments and focus on solving problems. And there's
Speaker 1: a huge difference between winning an argument and actually solving
Speaker 1: a problem. If you're going to solve a problem, and
Speaker 1: you can tell when you're talking to somebody whether they're
Speaker 1: trying to win an argument or they're actually trying to
Speaker 1: come up with an action oriented solution to change a situation.
Speaker 1: If it's the latter, they'll sit down and say, Okay, first,
Speaker 1: let's see what we agree on. I know we have differences,
Speaker 1: but let's see what we agree on. Now, how can
Speaker 1: I help you get what you need? How can you
Speaker 1: help me get what I think is important? And let's
Speaker 1: come up with some action steps to change this versus
Speaker 1: yelling at each other or being a right fighter. If
Speaker 1: you put a gun to their head and said all right,
Speaker 1: you need to come up with an action plan in
Speaker 1: five hours or we're going to pull the trigger, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you things would get done. Yeah. Now, we just
Speaker 1: can't do that. But the problem is we got people
Speaker 1: in charge of solving problems that don't really want to
Speaker 1: solve them because their job depends on having that problem.
Speaker 1: They need that problem justify their existence. They need that
Speaker 1: problem to maintain this huge bureaucracy, to maintain this big budget,
Speaker 1: this big agency. They need that problem to exist. I
Speaker 1: think we've got people in charge of solving problems that
Speaker 1: are not problem solvers.
Speaker 4: Who you think would be the best person to solve
Speaker 4: the problem at the board to trum Trumpelbiden.
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of them made any traction
Speaker 1: on it. I think you need to get somebody down there.
Speaker 1: I think if the government would step back and let
Speaker 1: somebody go down there that had a budget and was
Speaker 1: accountable for it, you could work this out. You could
Speaker 1: work this out. It's you know, the government gets involved,
Speaker 1: and that's why they pay three hundred and forty five
Speaker 1: dollars for ten dollars hammer. If you've got somebody involved
Speaker 1: that's accountable to the bottom line, they would figure this out.
Speaker 1: You would vet these people, get them in here and
Speaker 1: put them to work. We need the people, We need
Speaker 1: the workers. We need the workers. This is such a
Speaker 1: difficult situation, but is also a solution to an important problem.
Speaker 1: We need these migrants in America. We need them.
Speaker 2: A lot of people say, why do you think People
Speaker 2: say that, you know, the migrant's taking our jobs.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, they may be taking some jobs at
Speaker 1: the low low end of the employment continuum, but I
Speaker 1: think that is much less of a problem than people
Speaker 1: really think it is. And a lot of these migrants
Speaker 1: coming in are a lot more educated than people think
Speaker 1: they are. I mean they're they're coming in with a
Speaker 1: lot of them are coming in with bachelor's degrees. A
Speaker 1: lot of them are coming in with skill sets uh
Speaker 1: in in carpentry, plumbing, electrical that really have something to contribute.
Speaker 1: And we've got a supply chain that's paralyzed, You've got
Speaker 1: problems getting capacitors, you've got you've got all kinds of
Speaker 1: things that have slowed down commerce that so many migrants
Speaker 1: could help.
Speaker 4: Why do people act like what's happening currently in America
Speaker 4: is normal?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Why are we acting like this? All of this stuff
Speaker 3: is normal?
Speaker 4: It's like this especially in politics, Like you got a
Speaker 4: guy who's got ninety one criminal charges for foreigndictments too, impeachments,
Speaker 4: you know, lettingn attempted call it his country, Like why
Speaker 4: are we acting like this is just business as usual?
Speaker 1: I think part of it is I've got a study
Speaker 1: that I talk about in the book that goes back
Speaker 1: to nineteen fifty and compares it to now. The percentage
Speaker 1: of people that are afraid to express their opinion has
Speaker 1: tripled in the last seventy five years. People are afraid
Speaker 1: to speak up.
Speaker 4: That's your principal number six, right, Yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 4: say salentges so this can remain comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because now people say, if I say something, it's
Speaker 1: gonna piss somebody off and they're gonna come after me.
Speaker 1: I'm better off just keep my mouth, shut my head down.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything. I'm not gonna say anything now.
Speaker 1: I don't talk politics for a different reason. I don't
Speaker 1: know enough about it to talk about it. I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of people that talk about it know
Speaker 1: enough about it talk about it. I'm just willing to
Speaker 1: admit it.
Speaker 3: But you've got common sense, though, you know right from wrong.
Speaker 4: I do, and I know policies and legislations and all that,
Speaker 4: but we can look with our eyeballs and see when
Speaker 4: something isn't right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, That's what I said when Hamas
Speaker 1: attacked Israel. I don't know geopolitics. I don't know all
Speaker 1: of that, and I don't know the several thousand year
Speaker 1: history of that part of the world. But I know
Speaker 1: when an infant is murdered in their crib, that's wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't need to be a politician
Speaker 1: to know that's wrong. And when I was listening to
Speaker 1: all that and I was going to speak on it,
Speaker 1: I talked to the Israeli Consulates that I am going
Speaker 1: to speak on this because I think it's terrible. I
Speaker 1: was hearing things on college campuses that were so close
Speaker 1: to what the Hitler youth rallies were saying. I thought
Speaker 1: I'd never hear that in my lifetime, but I said,
Speaker 1: I got to see this with my own eyes. I
Speaker 1: can't go just on hearsay. And so the IDF, Israeli
Speaker 1: Consolate and the Israeli Defense Force came to my house
Speaker 1: underguard with classified footage and showed me what had gone
Speaker 1: on in that invasion, with footage that's still not been released.
Speaker 1: And I knew then that what I was hearing was
Speaker 1: was true and accurate.
Speaker 4: But then you got Gossham where it's thirty thousand dead
Speaker 4: in Gossam. They say mostly those people are women and children.
Speaker 4: So it's just like it's the same.
Speaker 1: You know, No, it's not the same.
Speaker 3: You don't think it's the same.
Speaker 1: Hell no, it's not the same. Someone one that is
Speaker 1: killed in an act of war. Dropping a bomb and
Speaker 1: there's collateral damage is not the same as invaders coming
Speaker 1: in and attacking non combatants and killing children in their beds.
Speaker 1: That there's no moral equivalent to that.
Speaker 4: You don't think that we should at least try to
Speaker 4: protect the innocent.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But you can't invade and then go back and
Speaker 1: hide in a school and say, okay, here I am,
Speaker 1: so you can't you can't attack me now because I'm
Speaker 1: hiding in a school. No, you can't hide in a
Speaker 1: school and be safe. And if you did, first off,
Speaker 1: that's a war crime to do that, and you can't
Speaker 1: do that. Is it terrible that all of these people
Speaker 1: are being killed Palestinians in the Gaza. Is that's horrible?
Speaker 1: And I think every effort needs to be made to
Speaker 1: minimize that, to hold that down, and anything that can
Speaker 1: be done to make surgical assaults and get into those
Speaker 1: tunnels and do everything you can to not harm civilians,
Speaker 1: certainly children or whatever. That you should be held to
Speaker 1: the highest possible standard in that regard.
Speaker 4: So if we saw that at America, if somebody went
Speaker 4: to a school a mass shooter, and you know, the
Speaker 4: people showed up in the school and they said, hey,
Speaker 4: we got to blow up the whole school in order
Speaker 4: to get the mass shooter.
Speaker 3: We would not go for that doctor.
Speaker 1: Of course, not, of course not. That would be horrible
Speaker 1: and unacceptable. You can't do that. But you can't let
Speaker 1: these people come and do what they did and then
Speaker 1: run back and hide among innocent people. And everybody says,
Speaker 1: well, we need a ceasefire. We had a ceasefire on October sixth,
Speaker 1: we had a ceasefire. Then on October seventh they did this.
Speaker 1: So what are you supposed to do? You have to
Speaker 1: try to root these people out, and there's not a
Speaker 1: there's not an easy way to do that. And I
Speaker 1: hope and pray the Palestinians will run Hamas out of
Speaker 1: there and and you know, get them out because I
Speaker 1: don't think it's about Palestine. I think it's about Iran.
Speaker 1: But I'm not a politician, and I certainly don't understand
Speaker 1: the geopolitical forces that are there. And what bothers me
Speaker 1: as much as anything is that we've got American students
Speaker 1: that are cheering on these murderers. I mean instantly I
Speaker 1: saw a sign, you know, gaze for Palestine. Well, games
Speaker 1: would get killed and walk that into the guys the
Speaker 1: strip and see how far you get me? Are they
Speaker 1: not teaching them critical thinking?
Speaker 4: No, I don't that That goes back to what we're
Speaker 4: talking about with social media. I truly feel like a
Speaker 4: lot of folks go on social media and they go
Speaker 4: on there to see how they should feel about something,
Speaker 4: like how you can sit here and say I don't
Speaker 4: know about this issue, or I can say I don't
Speaker 4: know about the issue.
Speaker 3: They won't do that.
Speaker 4: They'll go on social media and see what the math
Speaker 4: majority of people on social media are thinking about something,
Speaker 4: and they start parroting those talking points. And that's not
Speaker 4: just with that situation, that's just with a lot of situations.
Speaker 1: Well, I saw a staff the other day that and
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't go into much detail on it because
Speaker 1: I don't have the resource at the front of my brain.
Speaker 1: But a scary number, I mean, I'm talking way over
Speaker 1: fifty percent of young people get one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: their news from TikTok.
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. That's horrible.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent of their news, not like they get
Speaker 1: some and they don't verify it. One hundred percent of
Speaker 1: their news from TikTok. And I put a clip up
Speaker 1: of my trip to the border. Just a small clip.
Speaker 1: It was maybe twenty seconds, thirty seconds. I posted it
Speaker 1: up on Facebook and Instagram and it was a part
Speaker 1: of me talking to him about trafficking these children, and
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen eighteen seconds, and it was up about fifty
Speaker 1: minutes and going viral super fast. I mean, like tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of views in a matter of just a
Speaker 1: few minutes. It was just going just straight vertical and
Speaker 1: then bang, it just stopped. I mean it didn't like
Speaker 1: slow down or like people lost interest in it. It
Speaker 1: stopped and got it got shut down. Wow, they just
Speaker 1: the algorithm. They just shut it down and you couldn't
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 4: That happens to a lot of our content too, especially
Speaker 4: anytime you're talking politics and anything like that.
Speaker 3: YouTube has been suppressing us for some years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was shut down on the YouTube and it
Speaker 1: was shut down on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about that?
Speaker 4: I feel like what you said in chapter seven, we're
Speaker 4: doing our enemies work for them, because you know, you're
Speaker 4: stifling freedom of speech and you're you know, not letting
Speaker 4: people see the truth for themselves, and you're just letting
Speaker 4: them run with this false information that maybe out they're
Speaker 4: on social media about a lot of these these things
Speaker 4: that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's see, here's the thing. We're guaranteed free speech under
Speaker 1: the First Amendment, but what it says is the government
Speaker 1: will pass no law. Okay, and the government hasn't. We're
Speaker 1: doing this to each other. We're muzzling each other. What
Speaker 1: the hell is up with that? Right, We're mussling each other.
Speaker 1: That's what's so disturbing to me. And you said, you
Speaker 1: asked the question that I should have been asking a
Speaker 1: long time ago, So I'll probably steal that and take
Speaker 1: credit when you're not around. Why are we acting like
Speaker 1: this as normal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1: This going on. You know, they're shutting down y'all's content.
Speaker 1: They're shutting down my content. And they shut it down
Speaker 1: because it was border and children and it and people
Speaker 1: were getting up so by the oh no, we can't,
Speaker 1: we can't have this, we can't have this. And this
Speaker 1: wasn't me out there spewing hate or something. And it
Speaker 1: was really interesting. I think what feeds the what feeds
Speaker 1: the algorithm sometimes and gets it on the attention of
Speaker 1: the people that go nope, is fifteen percent of the
Speaker 1: comments that we went our cyber security people went in
Speaker 1: and looked at this. I can I can show it
Speaker 1: to you. Fifteen percent of the comments were from a
Speaker 1: Chinese website that's locked. You can't get into it. But
Speaker 1: it's from a Chinese website that was posting this stuff up,
Speaker 1: probably saying this is horrible, should be taken down, horrible
Speaker 1: taking down, horl taken down, but you can't get it.
Speaker 1: It's in Chinese and my Chinese is a little rusty,
Speaker 1: but you can pull up the site, but you can't
Speaker 1: get on it's locked. And fifteen percent of the comments
Speaker 1: on that video we're from it from one Chinese website.
Speaker 3: We've done that before.
Speaker 4: We've looked at uh, like you know, you'll see these
Speaker 4: attacks that will happen sometimes, you know, and people will
Speaker 4: be saying certain things, you like, where's this narrative coming from?
Speaker 4: And so we've done like a digital forensics and it's
Speaker 4: been the same thing.
Speaker 3: Like a bunch of bots from India.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people think that when we talk about bots
Speaker 1: that you know, you got somebody in their grandmother's basement
Speaker 1: and they've got like ten phony accounts or something. These
Speaker 1: bot farms are in the millions, that's right.
Speaker 3: They do camp, it's a campaign. People will go hire
Speaker 3: people to do campaigns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's in the millions. And they change and
Speaker 1: some of these these bots, these phony accounts are like
Speaker 1: ten or twelve years old, and they have followers and
Speaker 1: they follow each other. It's it's all intertwined. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sound like anspiracy theorist here, but this is totally verifiable.
Speaker 1: And they'll just change the content that they're putting out.
Speaker 1: It can be, you know, about the economy, and then
Speaker 1: it can be about hate speech, or it can be
Speaker 1: about they just change what they talk about. But they're
Speaker 1: in the million. And if you if you say something
Speaker 1: that's controversial and they put a bot farm after you,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it seems like the entire
Speaker 1: world hates this woman. And if you parse out all
Speaker 1: of the bots, and then those bots start driving opinion,
Speaker 1: and then real people start comments and say they jump
Speaker 1: on the bandwagon, it's it's it's insane, and that's that's
Speaker 1: a bad consequence of technology.
Speaker 4: And it's not even just social media to it's the
Speaker 4: news networks, right because Fox News, like say, if I'm
Speaker 4: having a conversation and I'm I'm critical of Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: and I'm saying he's a threat to democracy, but I'm
Speaker 4: also saying, hey, Joe Biden is an uninspiring candidate, right.
Speaker 4: Fox News will take the uninspiring candidate clip, amplify that
Speaker 4: all on their platform all day long, and then the
Speaker 4: people on the left, instead of focusing on what I
Speaker 4: said about Trump and him being atten democracy, they'll focus
Speaker 4: on the.
Speaker 3: Clip that Fox News pushed out there. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: who are y'all working for?
Speaker 4: Fox Newles knows how to push their narrative.
Speaker 3: I feel like seeing MSNBC don't really know how to
Speaker 3: push their.
Speaker 1: And the reason is they don't know how to identify
Speaker 1: an enemy and target that and go at it in
Speaker 1: a targeted fashion. And that's the thing. If you're going
Speaker 1: to do this effectively, You've got to get an identified enemy,
Speaker 1: an identified enemy to rally around, rally the troops around
Speaker 1: that enemy, that comment, and it's the cause celebrate, and
Speaker 1: that's what makes a campaign to shut somebody down or
Speaker 1: get people to really get up in arms. You got
Speaker 1: to identify an enemy, identify the cause, and then set
Speaker 1: forth an agenda. And that's what mainstream America doesn't.
Speaker 4: Do very well, and the left does it. But they
Speaker 4: do it to their own. Yes, the right stay focused.
Speaker 3: On the left and taking them out. The left end
Speaker 3: up taking out each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're doing it to ourselves.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we've got issues.
Speaker 2: The new book is out right now, How you can
Speaker 2: stand strong for America's soul insanity, Doctor Phil.
Speaker 5: We appreciate you for joining us. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: You don't come up here enough, doctor, because I want
Speaker 4: to talk to you about why do you feel in
Speaker 4: the medical industry is pushing transgender ideology on children?
Speaker 3: But I guess maybe we'll save that for another time.
Speaker 1: We'll do it another time, because what we want to
Speaker 1: talk about. Thank you guys for having me.
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