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Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.

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Speaker 2: Michael Very Show is on the air. There's no need

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Speaker 2: to hear under Dog.

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Speaker 3: Get here.

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Speaker 4: My three highs from Houston last night.

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Speaker 1: Number one, DJ Daniel's father lifting him high to receive

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Speaker 1: his new Secret Service back.

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Speaker 5: Joining us at the gallery tonight is a young man

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Speaker 5: who truly loves our police. His name is DJ Daniel.

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Speaker 4: He is thirteen years.

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Speaker 5: Old, and he has always dreamed of becoming a police officer.

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Speaker 5: But in twenty eighteen, DJ was diagnosed with brain cancer.

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Speaker 5: The doctors gave him five months at most to live.

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Speaker 5: That was more than six years ago.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, I haven't.

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Speaker 6: Thought, and tonight, DJ, We're going to do you the

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Speaker 6: biggest honor of them all.

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Speaker 4: I am asking our new.

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Speaker 5: Secret Service Director, Sean Curran to actually make you an

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Speaker 5: agent of the United States Secret Service.

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Speaker 2: You have five months to live.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep on going into my gas tanks, one out,

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Speaker 3: and that's when God calls you home.

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Speaker 2: You never know when God's gonna call you home.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for my dad.

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Speaker 3: I know he's pretty proud of proud of me, and

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty proud of him too. And I'd like to

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Speaker 3: thank President Trump because if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Be here today.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about that is it Rachel might now is bitter,

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Speaker 1: evil words which offended DJ daniels father, the OTIS and

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Speaker 1: Navy veteran so much. She said, Trump's acting like he

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Speaker 1: was the one who treated this young man as his doctor,

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Speaker 1: and that he is the reason the boys alive. You

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Speaker 1: realize Trump never said that. What she's offended by is

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Speaker 1: the statement of the young man himself, Houston's own DJ

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Speaker 1: Daniel when he said, I'm thankful to President Trump. Without him,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here. He's not saying he gave me chemo,

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Speaker 1: he carved part of the tumor out of my head.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, he invited me to wear my Houston Police

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Speaker 1: father by my side, wearing a Texas flag as his shirt.

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Speaker 1: Extra shirt flag is very popular, especially at rodeo time.

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Speaker 1: A lot of folks wear these to the rodeo. On

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Speaker 1: this rodeo time, it was actually the first night of rodeo.

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Speaker 1: He was saying, the President brought me here. If the

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Speaker 1: News right now. I wouldn't be telling my story. As

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Speaker 1: of this morning, Davar Jay had been deputized by nine

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ensure I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, assure you that there are going to be more

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'll tell you a story. I got

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Speaker 1: night doing my homework. This the otis Daniel. There's a

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Speaker 1: But in the midst of all this story is the Dad, Oh,

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Speaker 4: Come up. You don't like this.

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Speaker 1: And so when Elon and Doge started going into the

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Speaker 4: Zar, what's going on in Texas?

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Speaker 1: You got Jasmine Crockett, You've got Al Green making a

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Speaker 4: What is going on?

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Speaker 1: And I say, listen, let me tell you something. There

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Speaker 4: And if you've seen lunesobw you understand.

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Speaker 1: So my friend Ken Wise, who was just a big

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Speaker 1: The Alamo fell. My son's name's Crockett, because of Davy Crockett.

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Speaker 1: She sat at his desk. I mean, we're kind of

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Speaker 4: So I was calling him to talk to about.

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Speaker 1: All that in Alamo, and he said, well, you might

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Speaker 4: So we have to be.

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Speaker 1: Careful what's going on not only in our schools, but

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Speaker 1: even in the Texas State Historical Society, a state that

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Speaker 7: Well, Michael, great to be on with you. I think

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Speaker 7: the main Alamo was under siege for many days. This

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Speaker 7: Well, I will let me begin. First of all, I

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Speaker 7: Overruled over. It's the same. It was founded in eighteen

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Speaker 7: Me if you would, all right, the bylaws of the

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Speaker 1: But it's not unlike what's going on. I've seen churches

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Speaker 7: Well, that's right, and history, Texas history belongs to everybody.

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Speaker 1: We are talking to Judge Ken Wise, who, in addition

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Speaker 1: He has a podcast which I highly recommend to you

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Speaker 7: Well, what I was going to say is that it's

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Speaker 7: and so it's really not about keeping the bad stuff out.

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Speaker 7: That's not what this is all about. What it's about

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Speaker 7: is including everything. And that's the problem. Certain viewpoints want

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Speaker 7: to exclude things, and you can't do that because you

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Speaker 7: don't get a fair picture of your society. And history

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Speaker 7: is not very useful if it's not inclusive of every

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Speaker 7: part of your history. And that's what ended up happening

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Speaker 7: is certain people wanted to exclude other points of view

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Speaker 7: and that just should not be done. But it went

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Speaker 7: beyond that, and they tried to man did in fact mismanage,

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Speaker 7: mishandle the association. The court saw it for what it was,

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Speaker 7: and we've got it back on the right track now.

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Speaker 7: And the example I was going to give was I

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Speaker 7: kept hearing, or kept being called, among others, amateur historians,

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Speaker 7: as if that's something less than somebody who cares a

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Speaker 7: lot about history. So I enrolled in graduate school and

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Speaker 7: to get a master's in history, which I will finish

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Speaker 7: in May of this year, because I wasn't going to

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Speaker 7: just put that right to bed. I mean, you and

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Speaker 7: I both share a law degree, which is essentially a

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Speaker 7: PhD on steroids, but I wanted masters in history, so

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Speaker 7: we're going to take this in.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make you feel a lesser manned

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Speaker 1: by any measure, but as you know, I have two Yeah, listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have to go to a university

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Speaker 1: to learn.

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Speaker 4: I have people.

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Speaker 1: I got an email this morning from somebody who referred

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Speaker 1: to your podcast as a university experience. We just put

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Speaker 1: my dad in an assisted living center, and so my

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Speaker 1: wife said, hey, you got to get up here at

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Speaker 1: two o'clock in the middle of the in between my

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Speaker 1: morning and even show. You got to get up here

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Speaker 1: at two. Your dad's excited. I'm taking him to a

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Speaker 1: Texas history lecture. So I raced over there out of

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Speaker 1: the studio.

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Speaker 4: Ramon said, what are you doing. I got to go

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Speaker 4: to this lecture with my dad.

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Speaker 1: So it was his second or third day at the

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Speaker 1: new facility, and we're sitting in there and there had

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Speaker 1: to be one hundred assisted living residents listening to this

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Speaker 1: woman talk about the Battle of Santa Cento and my dad.

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Speaker 1: I reached out and held his hand and my dad

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Speaker 1: was clinching at points that we've talked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: together the eighteen minutes. Every time she would say, all right,

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Speaker 1: and what did we call the two things that they

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Speaker 1: you know, chanted or that their war cries, they went

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Speaker 1: in and all the people cheered out. It's exciting, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and my wife afterwards said, it's like your dad gets

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Speaker 1: to go to the university, never got to go to

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Speaker 1: you know. Hearing you talk and listening to your podcast,

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Speaker 1: it's called whys on Texas. People who study lifelong students,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean getting a degree. People who study as long,

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Speaker 1: who read, who engage, who learn, who watch documentaries, they're

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Speaker 1: happier people. You're using a part of your brain. That's

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Speaker 1: very positive. But anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead, sir.

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Speaker 7: No, No, that's I'm glad to hear that story. People

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Speaker 7: love Texas history. I give well over one hundred talks

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Speaker 7: a year from seventh graders on up to assisted living facilities.

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Speaker 7: People love to hear it. They never get sick of

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Speaker 7: hearing it. And if you hear as much history of

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Speaker 7: wherever you live as possible. You're going to be a

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Speaker 7: better citizen of wherever you live. And that's just the

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Speaker 7: way it is. And I think it's really important. There

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Speaker 7: are times of upheaval in all societies wherein some would

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Speaker 7: argue we're in a time like that nationally, Well, we

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Speaker 7: better go back and study what works and what doesn't.

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Speaker 7: And everybody's story deserves to be told. Now, I'll tell

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Speaker 7: you there were time periods when everybody's story wasn't told,

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Speaker 7: and hopefully we're through those time periods. And everybody's story

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Speaker 7: deserves to be told. And this is a wonderful country

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Speaker 7: in a wonderful state, and it's important for all historians,

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Speaker 7: amateur or not, to get out there and learn and

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Speaker 7: tell these stories, the real stories. I mean, you got

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Speaker 7: to do your research, you got to do it well.

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Speaker 7: You've got to write well, you got it to speak well

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Speaker 7: and tell the truth. And I don't think it's somebody

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Speaker 7: something you used.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that folks tried to create barriers. They

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Speaker 1: like everybody likes to be a gatekeeper, to give themselves

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Speaker 1: all the authority. They don't want a big tent. And

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Speaker 1: you said they would refer to people as amateur historians

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Speaker 1: because they're not experts. They don't have a certificate on

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Speaker 1: the wall.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you we've seen that in media judge wise.

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Speaker 1: We've seen how the citizen journalists who you know, the

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Speaker 1: blog or the and I'll tell you this, some of

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Speaker 1: the best true journalism coming out today is being done

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Speaker 1: by citizen journalists. And the Trump administration recently recognizing that

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, the Associated Press is not going to

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Speaker 1: decide who is going to report on what we say

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Speaker 1: every day to the people while in the White House.

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Speaker 1: We're going to pick some citizen journalists to do that

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Speaker 1: because they're putting out good work. So I think you're

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Speaker 1: seeing this, and this is why I asked you to

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Speaker 1: be our guest. This isn't about the Texas Historical Society

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Speaker 1: or association. You can go read that for yourself. This

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Speaker 1: is about caring enough about every aspect of life your church,

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Speaker 1: your school, your household, your workplace to step in and

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Speaker 1: say we're not going to allow wokeism, We're not going

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Speaker 1: to allow nonsense. We're not going to perpetuate that problem.

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Speaker 1: You know, a judge like this, it would have been

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Speaker 1: easier for him not to take on this fight so

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Speaker 1: to do it is because you do it because it's the.

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Speaker 4: Right damn thing to do. I'm not sure, and I

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Speaker 4: want to give I'm not sure you want.

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Speaker 1: To add to J Brian Yes, go ahead, please.

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Speaker 7: I want to give JP Briant a lot of credit.

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Speaker 7: The board, unanimously, everybody on the board invited him to

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Speaker 7: be the executive director of this association at a time

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Speaker 7: where it was critical, and he did it. And he

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Speaker 7: has spent a ton of time on this and has

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Speaker 7: done a great job. He's working on the details. We're

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Speaker 7: in better financial shape than we've ever been. We went

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Speaker 7: from publishing measily one book a year to now we've

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Speaker 7: got four we're going to publish this year. We published

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Speaker 7: a Southwestern Historical Quarterly uninterrupted since in eighteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 7: Then we've got now over one hundred articles. And I

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Speaker 7: don't want this to be academic versus non academic. That's

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Speaker 7: not it. Academic history is critical. The disciplined practice of

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Speaker 7: history is critical and be done in such a way

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Speaker 7: that's inclusive and useful to the population. And we just

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Speaker 7: had a few people that lost sight of.

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Speaker 4: That, and that's unfortant.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, that's where you step in and step up.

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Speaker 1: Judge can Wise, thank you for being our guest. And

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Speaker 1: I want to tell every single one of you out there,

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Speaker 1: whatever state you're in, whatever you're doing in life.

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Speaker 4: This woman who spoke to my father's.

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Speaker 1: Assistant living facility where all the foot she wasn't a

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Speaker 1: history teacher, she wasn't a university professor. She was a

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Speaker 1: woman who started reading and she wanted to share what

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Speaker 1: she learned with all the residents. Teach a Sunday school

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Speaker 1: class at your church. Don't be a well I could

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Speaker 1: never do that.

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Speaker 4: Yes you can. You are called to give back.

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Speaker 1: These talents are yours to share.

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Speaker 4: Don't iide you light under a bushel Ramon, have a

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Speaker 4: great evening

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Speaker 5: Gentleman, elstolity, thank you, and have a good night,