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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Alli. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and man, it's a Friday. It means we are now

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Speaker 1: less than three weeks out from the start of the uh,

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Speaker 1: the first day of the NFL Draft. Yeah this uh,

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Speaker 1: this time three weeks from now, we'll be talking about

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Speaker 1: who the Steelers are going to take at thirty one

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Speaker 1: and that will be an interesting conversation. Yeah, conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of different ways you can go there,

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Speaker 1: but much of it will depend on who they take

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Speaker 1: in the first round. And with that in mind, I

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Speaker 1: you know, the other night, I was sitting around and

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I'm gonna just put together

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Speaker 1: a list of seventeen players I think the Steelers would

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Speaker 1: take at seventeen if they were available, and you then

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Speaker 1: sent me a similar list, So I thought we'd go

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Speaker 1: through those here. Yeah, okay, good. And so at the

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Speaker 1: top of both of our lists is defensive tackle Jalen Carter. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think he's the best player in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a big a need area or want

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Speaker 1: once and needs in the draft are different. I want

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Speaker 1: a tremendous defensive tackle. I've never sat down with the

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Speaker 1: young man. We know that there's some stuff going on,

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Speaker 1: but we get this Cam Hayward fella and this Mike

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Speaker 1: Tom dude that I think could probably manage the young

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Speaker 1: man reasonably well and flourish TJ. Watt and Larry Ogunjobi

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Speaker 1: that he could play next to an Alex Highsmith. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there would, you know, be plenty of guys there who

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Speaker 1: his talent, which is tremendous. Yes, he's number one for me.

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Speaker 1: At number two, we both put Will Anderson, and I

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Speaker 1: understand that outside linebacker isn't a need for this team. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but if somehow, some way, some if Will Anderson fell

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Speaker 1: to seventeen, you take him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: so you'd laid this out, but I just kind of

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Speaker 1: want to reiterate that we do this every year. Last

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Speaker 1: year we did a top twenty. This year we do

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Speaker 1: a top seventeen. You and I did not include Stroud

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Speaker 1: Young all those dudes. I just came up with seven,

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Speaker 1: as did you before me. Seventeen guys the Steelers would

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Speaker 1: be most comfortable to take when they're on the clock

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Speaker 1: at seventeen. Yeah, So it also didn't we didn't include

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Speaker 1: going to take him. Yeah, every one of those that

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Speaker 1: goes off the board is gravy and either eliminates a

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Speaker 1: guy from this list or allows you to trade down one, two, three,

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Speaker 1: four more spots and still get a guy from the list.

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Speaker 1: And to be honest, Jayalen Carter, Willie Anderson, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: Those guys aren't going to be available, right, So sure

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Speaker 1: Willie Anderson's two for me as well. Great, we're not

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Speaker 1: going to get them in Black and Gold Day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I had Tyree Wilson at three. You have him at seven,

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Speaker 1: say at eight, find a little bit since I sent you,

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Speaker 1: But it's very similar. Yeah, he's not gonna be there,

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Speaker 1: but at least he's a guy. I'm like Anderson, like

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Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson. You can say, hey, Tyree, you know, put

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Speaker 1: on ten fifteen pounds and we're going to use you

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Speaker 1: as a defensive end. M Like I didn't. I had

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Speaker 1: trouble with Miles Murphy and Lucas van Nest for that

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Speaker 1: regard too, Like are they just an outside linebacker or

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Speaker 1: are they more or even the day they would arrive here,

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Speaker 1: they could kick inside on third and eight, So I

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Speaker 1: understand the value. I'm sure you would gladly give up

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth pick for Tyree Wilson right now, not that

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Speaker 1: that's even close to an option. You just figure it out. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I did want to talk more about Miles Murphy

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Speaker 1: will do that in here in a second. At four.

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Speaker 1: I have Kristi Gonzalez at four. You have him at three.

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Speaker 1: I have him at three, right, Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: especially for the Steelers. I think there's a Witherspoon versus

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Speaker 1: Gonzales conversation out there amongst draft nicks. I'll think Gonzala

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Speaker 1: the size and the athletic ability. Yeah. Now, you had

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Speaker 1: that's that's right where the difference comes out. That was

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Speaker 1: all right, uh it's six. I have Miles Murphy and

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Speaker 1: here's why. Okay, so he didn't he didn't work out

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Speaker 1: saw the numbers, Matt, it was awesome. Yeah, four five, four, five,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you're even wrong. It's just does

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Speaker 1: Murphy would be helpful. To any defense. Yeah, you'd figure

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, but you'd figure it out and just give

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Speaker 1: me a disruptive defensive lineman. Period. Yeah. Now six or five,

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Speaker 1: best receiver in this draft. I think he's special, and

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Speaker 1: To me, if he's there at at seventeen, even over

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Speaker 1: if he can't play outside, your offense is drastically better.

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Speaker 1: We both think he can, but he doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: unless Johnston Pickett really gets hurt for a high defensive APPS.

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Speaker 1: why I put them ahead of Smith and Jigba. I

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Speaker 1: think the pass rushers, in the defensive tackles that are

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Speaker 1: the two tackles are fine prospects, but there are more

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Speaker 1: there's some faults in their game. Johnson can stand to

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Speaker 1: I have Paris Johnson at eight, Roderick Jones at nine.

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Speaker 1: the order that they liked them exactly exactly. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: having a conversation with Darnell this week last week to

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean the whole left right stuff we've

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Speaker 1: git the tight ends for that matter, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: So any of those which it's just fine. The Steelers

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Speaker 1: We know that, we know that I like the group,

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Speaker 1: but I did not include them on purpose. But there

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Speaker 1: could be one that falls that you're happy about, or

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Speaker 1: maybe someone loves Jordan Addison more than you and I do.

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Speaker 1: So it is a good exercise, and it's hard to rank.

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Speaker 1: You know, Paris Johnson or Smith and jakebo I could

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Speaker 1: Probably won't matter. But Brian branch Verse Deante Banks, Well,

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Speaker 1: stee there's draft room here. They'll maybe not right now,

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Speaker 1: Those are the conversations that we have. I mean, probably

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Speaker 1: what's happening right now is they're ranking all of the receivers,

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Speaker 1: Today's receiver day, tomorrow's guard day, whatever, and then you

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Speaker 1: And we really have to have a distinct order. Absolutely, Hey,

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