WEBVTT - Come Over | EP 2 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:03.520 I got an email from Laura. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:09.040 The email set urgent and I opened the email and 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:13.160 she's like, I'm pregnant and I had a positive pregnancy 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.880 test embedded in the email, and now I'm seeing. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.920 Proof of something. I just remember thinking, oh fuck. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.400 About eleven days earlier, former Bachelor Clayton Eckered hung out 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:31.240 with a woman named Laura Owens. They hooked up, but 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:31.960 here's the thing. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.200 We never slept together, we never had sex. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.120 When Clayton received that email from Laura saying she was 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.920 pregnant by him, he was in disbelief. He didn't believe 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.000 the photo of the test could be real, so he 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.800 invited Laura to his apartment again. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.919 The reason I invited her over was to get her 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:54.920 to take a pregnancy test right in front of me. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.760 Laura agreed to come over, but she was a step ahead, 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.000 already emailed Clayton the photo, but she brought the positive 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.160 pregnancy test with her to show him in person. It 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.080 was one of those at home tests where one line 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:13.440 means not pregnant and two lines means pregnant. On the 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.280 test Laura brought, Clayton could. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.479 See one very very present line and the other one 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.160 was like slightly there. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.600 Clayton did not see that coming well. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.039 I was having a hard time believing it because we 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.160 didn't have sex. So I wanted her to take a 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:31.880 test in front of me so that I could see 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:32.600 it with my own eyes. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.160 Clayton told Laura he'd already purchased a test of his 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.280 own and asked her if she'd mind taking a second test. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:44.400 I figured once I pulled out that surprise pregnancy test 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.360 she would decline to take it, that that would be 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:48.000 the end of it all. 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.600 But unfortunately, that's not what happened. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.720 When he asked her to take the second test. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.000 She was like, Okay, yeah, I'll do it. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.680 Laura went into the bathroom, took the test, and for 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.720 the next next few minutes, all Clayton could do was 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.520 wait for the truth to come to light. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.000 It was a torturous five minutes that felt like an 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:15.480 eternity because I knew that a line either was or 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:20.760 was not going to appear, and that singular line would 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.080 dictate the outcome of my life. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.000 I'm Stephanie Young, and this is love trapped. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:39.079 There's no way you'd better believe. I'll be raising holy. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:47.000 Hellless if you ever, ever, ever, ever. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:58.360 Trastic We're going to go back to the night in question, 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.640 the night when Laura Wins came over to Clayton's apartment 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.720 for a hookup. Clayton didn't know it at the time, 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.000 but that night would change his life forever. It would 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.919 set off a chain of events that would lead to 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.960 a criminal investigation, and it would lead me, a curious podcaster, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.040 to Clayton Eckerd's door. Hi, Clayton's good to see you again. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.640 He stuff is good to see you, so I should 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.240 probably tell you how I got here. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.760 Right, Let's go back to May of twenty twenty three. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.640 Clayton wasn't in a good place at the time. He 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.880 was despised by Bachelor Nation and what felt like the 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.280 entire Internet. He also had just met up with his ex, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.160 Susie Evans. He met her on The Bachelor. They dated 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.760 for almost a year after they filmed the show, but 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.560 eventually broke things off. Clayton was still torn up about. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.800 It, and I thought, man, maybe this was a mistake 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.680 to break up. Maybe in another world, if we didn't 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.880 experience all this pain, we could have made it work. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.880 We've all been there, right. You see your ex and 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.480 you suddenly start wondering if breaking up was a mistake. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.160 I was struggling, and I remember I crying my eyes out. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.760 This wasn't just any breakup. Clayton and Susie had announced 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.120 their split on a joint Instagram post a few months earlier. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.520 Nearly one hundred thousand people liked this post. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:25.039 I definitely remember just the hate of the trill that people. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:25.280 Had for me. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.200 The comment section was particularly brutal. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.159 I remember reading comments like, Oh, this man got to 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.279 have his cake and eat it too, after everything he did, 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:34.760 he didn't have. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:35.640 To suffer at all. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.799 Susie deserves so much better than this guy, this monster, 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.560 this mess, this loser. I mean I saw all of it. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.080 It was like as if she was dating the worst 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:47.680 man alive. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.960 Clayton had taken a hard fall from Grace and was 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.880 adjusting to his new life as a real estate agent 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.919 in Scottsdale, Arizona. There he was a big fish in 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.680 a small pond, but his experience on the Bachelor left 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:03.599 him feeling hollow. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.400 You come off the show and it's like your dope 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.720 mean goes from being at like maximal level. It just 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.080 knows diving. I was depressed. I was basically like having 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:13.000 withdrawal effects. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.800 To help him cope, he turned to weed. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:21.599 Sometimes I was getting high to feel that intense high 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:22.960 that I felt. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:23.680 When I was the bachelor. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.880 It wasn't always weed. Sometimes it was sex or pizza 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:30.320 and on a good night. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.000 A combination of all three dope mean releasing activities, which 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.560 is typically eating really good food, having sex. I just 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.960 mash them all together so I could get something close 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:40.720 to that feeling. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.520 I was surprised at how honest Clayton was about this 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.520 period of his life. But as we heard last episode, 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:52.520 that's Clayton honest, maybe to a fault. In this case, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:58.359 his oversharing tendency is actually helpful because every detail of 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:03.800 what happens next is important. It all started with a 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.040 message on LinkedIn. We've had it read by a voice actor. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.680 Hi, I'm looking to connect with similar minded young entrepreneurs 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.279 in Scottsdale. I see that you work for and I 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.560 actually contacted them recently. They were going to connect me 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.279 with someone who could help me find investment properties, but 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.239 haven't yet. Let me know if you can help. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.440 Laura saw that Clayton had just started as an agent 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.720 and reached out. Clayton shared his phone number to get 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:31.400 the ball rolling. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.200 Laura reached out. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.560 She was looking to buy an investment property and I 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.720 had just got my reallder license, so I was looking 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.400 to secure my very first deal. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.720 Clayton sent over the screenshots of their initial messages. They 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.960 spent a few days texting, and during the chat, Laura 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.160 mentioned that she was a competitive equestrian, and then on 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.279 Saturday night, May twentieth. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:59.120 She sent me a photo of her standing by her horse. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.320 In the photo, Laura has her backside turned to the camera. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.919 She's petting a dark brown horse. She's wearing a crop 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.440 top and beige riding leggings. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.520 And let's just call it for what it is. She 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:12.800 had a nice ass. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.760 When I first heard about this photo, I really thought 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.920 it was going to be way more revealing than it was. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.040 That's the mind of a man right there for you. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.120 It doesn't take much. The imagination takes us the rest 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:24.720 of the distance. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.840 Clayton was at home assembling ikea furniture. He'd already popped 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:31.320 an edible. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.680 I saw the photo and I was high and saw 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.400 my mind, you know, wasn't thinking clearly. It was more 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.880 so just thinking about what's in front of me in 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.600 that moment. But I was like, look, why don't we 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:44.160 just hang out. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.520 Laura agreed to come over that night. I asked Clayton 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.600 the obvious, this was a hookup, right, Yeah. It was 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.760 around eight pm. Laura was buzzed up to Clayton's apartment. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.640 He opened the door to find a small woman smiling 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.480 up at him. She had long, dark hair, and she 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.360 was dressed casually in a T shirt and leggings. By 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.560 the time Laura arrived, Clayton was stoned. He'd taken ten milligrams, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.520 which would send me to outer space, but that was 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.560 his baseline. It just makes him chattier and makes the 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.520 night more enjoyable, more chill, That's what he was. After 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.120 a relaxing evening, he offered Laura an edible two. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.120 I said, hey, if you what one, I took one, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:29.920 you're welcome to have it, and she said, yeah, sure, 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.240 I'll take one. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.160 So they got high together and started talking. The conversation 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.040 wasn't exactly for play. It was actually pretty intense. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.080 We talked about mental health and how you know, I'd 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.839 struggled with feeling like I was enough and she also 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.160 struggled with feeling like she was enough in her life 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.120 with her family, because her family was super accomplished, and 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:52.680 she always felt like she was in the shadows of 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.240 her father and her mom and even her sister who 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.880 has a kid AND's married, and so she feels like she's, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.440 you know, has to live up to those expectations, and 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.520 so that's caused her to feel like the black sheep 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.960 of the family. And so I told her, like, I 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.720 felt the same way, you know, in my life. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.520 But my middle brother, he was the superstar athlete. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.240 I was the one in his shadows, always trying to 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:15.559 measure up to his success. 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.319 They bonded, and after an hour or two of talking 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:20.240 on the couch. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.600 I told her to like, come over closer to me, 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.679 and she did, and then that's when we started hooking up. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.400 And if you're wondering why we're about to go into 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.679 this level of detail, I promise it becomes important to 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:32.200 the story. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.240 She gets on top of me, but then she stopped 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.160 me and was like, hey, I don't want to have 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:43.560 sex tonight, And I said, okay, yeah, that's totally fine. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.320 She's like, not on the first night. We can do 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.880 it at a later point. This just gives you another 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.320 reason to like see me again. 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.960 Laura was still down to hook up, but wanted to 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.520 keep penetrative sex off the table for the first night. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.240 According to Clayton, they headed to the bedroom and had 0:09:59.400 --> 0:09:59.960 oral sex. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.200 When we lay there, we fall asleep in. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.400 The bed, and a few hours later we. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.080 Wake up, start making out again. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.640 She does oral again, and then she ran to the bathroom, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.040 like immediately after. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.400 The next morning, Clayton was hit with a wave of regret. 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.680 Laura was his client, this could be his first real 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.240 estate deal, and he might have just blown it, so 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.400 to speak. He started kicking himself for crossing a professional boundary, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.760 but Laura was still interested in working with him. In fact, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.760 the two of them made plans later that afternoon to 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:39.840 look at a couple homes. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.760 She ended up staying overnight, stayed until the early morning. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.720 She then laughed, I went to church, cleared my mind, 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.600 and then ended up meeting back up with her to 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:51.880 show homes later that day. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.079 Clayton wanted to keep Laura as a client, so at 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:57.640 the end of their home tours. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.560 She's all in his happy mood and I felt really bad, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:01.920 So I was like, we got to talk. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.880 Sitting in his car, he found the right moment to 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.720 finally tell her what was on his mind. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:13.200 I feel bad because I didn't explain my intentions last night. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.439 I'm not looking to date, and my intentions were to just. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.760 Have a fun night. That was just a one time thing, 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:22.800 and I want you to know that. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.600 Because I don't want there to be miscommunication going forward. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.520 She quickly jumped in and said, no, no, don't have 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.880 to apologize at all. Like, I'm so grateful, I'm happy 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.559 last night happened. I had so much fun. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.480 Clayton had fun too, but he felt like he'd crossed 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.080 a professional line and that wasn't how he wanted to 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.640 start off his real estate career. So he offered to 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.880 make it right with Laura and find her a new 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:45.800 agent to work with. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.040 She said, no, no, I want to work with you. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.160 It's not awkward at all, but like, you know, can 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.760 you just keep an open mind like that, maybe there 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.520 could be something between us. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.080 She wasn't getting the picture, so at that point he 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.199 had to make himself're still clear what happened the night 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.360 before was never happening again. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:11.040 After telling Laura no, like there's no future here between us, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:12.719 the tone had shifted. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.600 And then she started to cry. And I remember that moment. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:17.920 It was this kind of. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.920 Like, oh, oh wow, this is way more intense than 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.920 I anticipated this would be. I mean, I just met 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.800 this woman and now she's crying in my car and 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.600 she's telling me, well, hey, I really thought that we 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:31.640 have a lot in common. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:32.839 We both have. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.240 Struggled with self confidence and self love, and so I 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.120 really feel that I can help you find that within 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.320 you and also within myself at the same time. And 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.640 it was it just it was just such an intense 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:51.240 but like awkward situation because I didn't feel at all. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.360 The same way that she felt. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.600 I was trying to be mindful of her emotions and say, hey, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.640 this is how she feels, so I need to give 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.040 weight to this scenario. But there was a disconnect because 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.240 my brain was telling me, You've not even known this 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.199 woman long enough for this to be like an actual, 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.800 realistic response, like this is way out of the norm. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.280 It had only been five days since Laura's initial LinkedIn message, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.680 and yet Laura kept pushing, almost begging for Clayton to 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:21.440 give her a chance. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.400 I finally got annoyed. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.040 I said, Laura, no means no, And when I said that, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:33.840 she went from crying to her face going completely stone cold. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.880 She stared at me and just shakes her head and goes, no, 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.280 I get it. Thanks for letting me know, have a 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.280 good rest of your day. Gave me a weird smile, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.079 opened the car door, closed it, walked off. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.920 Something about her reaction was deeply unsettling. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.560 I remember just getting chills over my entire body when. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.400 He told her he didn't want to hook up again. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.400 It was like a switch flipped. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.160 Something was off, because that look she gave me, It's 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.720 like the lights went off in the house and she 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:09.679 was no longer. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.720 There, not the version of Laura that I knew up 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:12.480 until that point. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.200 Clayton knew he'd made a mistake, at least professionally, but 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.960 he had no idea what he'd just stepped into. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.200 I sat there as I watched her walk back to 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.840 her car, and I go, I don't know what that was. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:40.920 But whatever that was, that's not the end of it. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.480 The two biggest questions I get when I tell people 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.000 about this story are was Laura a contestant on Clayton's 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.440 season of The Bachelor? Which is an easy one to answer. No, 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.560 That's usually always followed up with, then, who is Laura Owens? 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:03.840 Truth? Be told. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.480 That's the question I've been trying to answer for the 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:12.680 last six months. I've reached out to her former friends, teachers, attorneys, colleagues, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.280 and I'm either met with people who don't want anything 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.200 to do with this, or they don't respond at all. 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.680 And of course I reached out to Laura herself. At 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.440 the time I'm recording this, she hasn't agreed to an interview, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.880 but she did send me along email. We'll get into 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.960 that later. I want to start by playing you Laura's 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.760 side of the story. What you're about to hear is 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.120 the real Laura Owens telling the court her version of 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.000 what happened with Clayton Eckerd. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.080 He was my realtor to start with, and then we 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.840 were intimate one night in May of this year. After 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.240 that long June first, I found out that I was pregnant, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.560 and I figured you probably wouldn't believe it, so I 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:01.600 went to urgent Care and had it confirmed there by 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.360 a doctor, and then I told him I hadn't been 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.880 intimate with anyone else. Since March of twenty twenty two, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.440 I've tried to get Clayton to accept responsibility and figure 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.760 out a parenting plan with me, but that's really been it. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:16.520 It's not like it's. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.360 Been a dating relationship, and we've communicated. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.320 Via email for the most part. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.480 I wanted to get a picture of who Laura is 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.240 outside of this case. That turned out to be more 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.280 elusive than I expected. The good news is Laura's been 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.840 posting online for the better part of fifteen years. She's 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.880 appeared in videos and podcasts, She's written medium articles, and 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.400 was actively replying the comments on Reddit. One of the 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.280 most interesting things she's appeared in is a series of 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.320 YouTube videos where she's talking with one of her attorneys, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.520 David Jingris. We will be playing audio from videos David 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:59.200 posted to his YouTube channel, which have since been pulled down. Fortunately, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.600 we were able to obtain a copy before they were removed. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.000 Here's the start of one of those videos. You'll hear 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:07.120 David first. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.440 I think we need to have the public get to 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.560 know you a little bit better. We need to do 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.320 this a bit more often and try to try to 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.360 take some control back of the narrative. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.399 In the videos, Laura's attorney asks her get to know 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:23.160 you questions. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.159 I feel dirty like asking these questions because I just 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.000 feel like it's nobody's effing business. But let's go ahead 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.719 and talk about it, because I think you're okay with it. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.439 So let's talk about your high school dating career. I mean, 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.080 my high school dating career is pretty damn exciting. Let's 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:36.920 hear about yours. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.920 Mine was, I'm sure the opposite of yours. I had 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.480 no boyfriends in high school. I didn't have my first 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.480 kiss until the week before graduation. 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.000 It's pretty uncommon for a lawyer to make social media 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.280 content with a client, especially a client involved in a 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:54.440 high profile scandal. 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:56.200 I mean what I. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.480 Say as far as I want both sides of the 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.919 story to be out there, and I don't people to 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.919 be mad at anybody. You shouldn't be mad at Laura. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.400 I mean, Laura, look, obviously, if you lied and made 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.160 the whole thing up, you know you deserve some punishment. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.159 I've said that all along that if that's what the 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.960 facts bear out, I'm not going to stand by your side. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.360 I'm not here to defend people that do stuff like that. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.119 In these videos, her attorney, David does most of the talking. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:21.760 You're a little different. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:23.439 You know, you're a little different. I've said that you're 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:24.080 a little different. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:28.119 I think you suffer from having an unbelievably high IQ. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.080 I think you're very, very bright girl, and I think 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:32.439 you're just. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:33.040 A little different. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.760 Laura Owens grew up in San Francisco, where her parents 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.200 were local celebrities. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.320 Good morning, I'm Ron Owens KGO Radio Monday through Friday, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.200 nine until noon, and today we were also on c SPAN, 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:54.440 so you. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.679 Laura's father, Ron Owens, is a radio Hall of Famer. 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.359 He hosted a popular radio talk show on KGO in 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.160 San Francisco. It ran for over forty years. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.520 Ron was definitely at the top of the heap. He 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.760 was a very trusted voice. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:15.040 That's longtime Bay Area reporter Martha ross I called her 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.720 for some more context about Ron Owens and his show. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.200 He would always have the best political leaders on or 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.800 like a movie star coming through, and you always felt 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:26.800 like you would learn something. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.720 Laura's mom, Jan Black, was a drivetime news anchor at 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:36.520 two local radio stations, KGO and KCBS. When Laura was 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.119 a kid, her parents were kind of a media power 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:39.840 couple in town. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.840 They would go to all the best restaurants, and when 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.720 Ron was out at restaurants, he'd be recognized by fans. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.560 When then Senator Obama was starting his first presidential campaign. 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:54.639 He went on the ron Owens Report. 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.560 It's our number two ron Owens kg A radio in 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.480 the studio Senator Barack Obama. Not much of a buzz 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.200 around you, but it's interesting to have you on and 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:05.320 it's very good to meet you. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.480 Ron Owens got an hour with Obama. I spoke to 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.640 a former producer at KGO who told me about how 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.920 other local reporters lined up down the hallway to try 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.919 to get a clip from Obama. Afterwards, all that to 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.680 say ron Owens was a big deal. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.280 If your president ninety days, I get the interview in 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:26.399 the Oval Office with you. 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.520 It's got to be in the Oval Office. I need 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.160 to check with a secret services that allowed you will 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:32.960 get an interview. You will get an interview in the 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:34.239 first ninety day. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.320 You will get Her dad's fame is a big part 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.600 of Laura's origin story. Here's another clip from Laura and 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:40.240 her attorney. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.199 Your dad had a hell of a career. Is that 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:44.760 him in Obama? Wow? 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.560 Yeah, I had no idea when I got involved in 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.280 this case. You know what kind of a career. I 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:53.280 didn't know how significant of a broadcasting guy your dad was. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.959 While she never fully got into radio. Laura co hosted 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.080 a podcast with her mom, Jan Black. It was a 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.680