1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: A deep dive on the sudden coaching change in Milwaukee 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Adrian Griffin, Doc Rivers, all things Bucks. We will get 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: into that, as well as some talk about the All 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Star starters and pizza. All that to come next here 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: on this League Uncut. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: Welcome to this League uncut. 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: Can you rule a twenty four hour NBA news? 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: This's you'll, Chris Haynes, it's time, Mark Stein, It's so time. 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: This League Uncut is underway and on fire. 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: This should be a good one. Hey, everyone, welcome into 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: the latest edition of This League Uncut. Mark Stein here 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: with Chris Haynes. We are recording on Thursday night. It's 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: our first chance to connect Chris and I a wild 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: Tuesday night in the Association. Tuesday, of course, Chris was 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: working the sidelines for Clippers at Lakers in the Los 16 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: Angeles Darby Except. Earlier Tuesday, the whole NBA was rocked 17 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: by the news that the Milwaukee Bucks abruptly dismissed first 18 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: year coach Adrian Griffin. It took them another day roughly 19 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: to hash out a deal with Doc Rivers to take 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: over as the Bucks' new coach. We've talked a ton 21 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: about the Bucks this season, but we really got to 22 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: get into this now because this one was again a 23 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: pretty seismic story in the NBA. We've since seen another 24 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: coaching change. On Thursday, Washington announced that Wes Unsel Junior 25 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: is going to be moving into a front office role. 26 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: Brian Keith has been handed the interim coaching title with 27 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: the Wizards, But the first coaching change of the season 28 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: happens with a team that was thirty and thirteen at 29 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: the time of the move, only the Cleveland Cavaliers with 30 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: David Blatt eight years and a day earlier. Who will 31 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: forget the Cavaliers ousting David Blatt and replacing him with 32 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Tearan Lu halfway through a season that saw the Cavaliers 33 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: go all the way to the championship and from three 34 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: to one down in the finals, erase the Cleveland curse 35 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: that had lasted more than fifty years, the Cavs coming 36 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: from three to one down under Tylu to win the 37 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: first and only championship in franchise history in twenty sixteen. 38 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: Chris Haynes, you know the Bucks as well as anyone, 39 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: So gotta get your reaction, your insight here, because look, 40 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: we've talked about it a bazillion times on this show. 41 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: We've been talking about it since October, since Terry Stotts 42 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: abruptly left the coaching staff before we even got to 43 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: opening night. But even with all the tumult and as 44 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: often as we've talked about the Bucks and what they've 45 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: been going through this season, there was still a huge 46 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: part of me that I didn't think we were going 47 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: to see an in season coaching changed. Maybe I was 48 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: too naive. Tell me where I misread. 49 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: Things, Well, you weren't. You were not alone. I was 50 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: a little bit naive as well. But I will say 51 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: that I was here in the last couple of weeks. 52 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: I was hearing something could go down. I didn't take 53 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: it seriously. The reason I didn't take it seriously, and 54 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: maybe I should have. But listen, let me tell you 55 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: stein you brought up. Excuse me, Prince, my dog is 56 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: making an appearance. He's barking at somebody back there in 57 00:03:59,360 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: my yard. 58 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: Prince cannot believe we're talking about the Bucks again. 59 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: So Stott, I was covering that. I was the beat 60 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: writer for that Cass team when they ousted Black in January, 61 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: and they had a good record at the time too. 62 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: The Cass so this is similar, very similar. But I 63 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: will say yes, I was hearing things last few weeks 64 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: of Adrian Griffin's tenure with the Bucks, and I didn't 65 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: believe it. The reason why I didn't believe it or 66 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: take it seriously was they were already paying coach Bootonholzer, 67 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: who I think is making around eight million a year. 68 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: I think he has a few years left on his deal, 69 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: you know, then Adrian Griffin's salary. Then I was like, 70 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: they will, they would, they would hire I was thinking 71 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: to myself, they would hire another head coach, because I 72 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: was thinking like, if they did hire another head coach, 73 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: it would have to be a high profile coach. You're 74 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: not making a I'm not gonna say a mistake, but 75 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: you're not going in that same direction of hiring a 76 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: someone who's probably inexperience to high level players. So it 77 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: had to be another a high profile coach, and then 78 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: you have to pay him a high profile salary. So 79 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, they would pay three head coaches at the 80 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: same time. I just didn't think that would happen. Well, 81 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: it happened, and what I was being told and all 82 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: the signs I would hear turned out to be accurate. 83 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: So I say all that to say this is that 84 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: it was explained to me because I didn't understand the move. 85 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: It was explained to me that when they hire Adrian 86 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 2: Griffin Stein, you can tell me what you heard as well. 87 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: When they hire Adrine Griffin. They didn't know at the time. 88 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: Remember that was a higher in June of twenty twenty three. 89 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: They did not know if they were going to bring 90 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: back Chris Middleton. He was going to be a free agent, 91 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: he had that option. They didn't know if brook Lopez 92 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: was going to resign. They didn't know what Giannis was 93 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: gonna do, you know, he they didn't know if he 94 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 2: was going to sign an extension. And then he remember 95 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: Gianni's making you know, he had some comments and certain 96 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: articles out there about you know, I could win here, 97 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: I could win elsewhere. It's like you just didn't know 98 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: where he was leaning towards, pretending to his future. So 99 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: they felt very comfortable at the time hiring asan Griffin, 100 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: somebody who hadn't been a head coach yet in the NBA. 101 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: And then when they had the opportunity to trade for 102 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: Dame and they did, they that you know, that changed 103 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 2: things now, so that That's the explanation that was told 104 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: to me. Things changed and they got Dame, and throughout 105 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: this four month's tenure that Griffin had as actually being 106 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: as actually coaching, there was just there was disconnect. There 107 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: was you know, I did go as far as to 108 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: say that I believe he lost the locker room at 109 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: one point. I think Griffin would be a really good coach. 110 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: He didn't sign up for. What he signed up for 111 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: is not what he had at the latter ends of 112 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: his tenure here with the Bucks, and so bestides hear 113 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: me out. So I told you how it was explained 114 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: to me as far as the rationale and what happened 115 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: along the way. But you can make the argument that 116 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: even if you didn't know what was going to happen 117 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: with all those players, you know, you still got Yiannis 118 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: locked up for a few years, and if you still 119 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: got Jans, you still got jew Holliday. You're still expected 120 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: to compete for a championship, right, So I get that 121 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: the team is probably a little bit more high profile now, 122 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: the expections are a little bit higher, but you're still 123 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: expected to compete for a championship. I'm just telling everybody, 124 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: how was explained to me as far as the rationale 125 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: of why they hired him, hired him and why they 126 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: fired them, and you can read it to it how 127 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: you feel. What's your tam, sir. 128 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: The David Blat Calves can could make that argument because 129 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: the David Black, you know, David Blatt got that job 130 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: before Lebron James said he was coming back to Cleveland, 131 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: before the Cleveland Cavaliers brought in Kevin Love to join 132 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Lebron James and Kyrie Irving. In the David Blat scenario, 133 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: it really was a different team from what Blat was 134 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: hired to coach and what the Calves became. The Bucks, 135 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: to me, cannot make that argument. I'm sorry because you 136 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: said it. It doesn't matter if they didn't know Middleton 137 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: was resigning, if they didn't know brook Lopez was resigning, 138 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: if janis Antetokumpo is on the roster, you know, oh, 139 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: your season is judged as championship or bust, no matter what. 140 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: And you know it's funny you talked about the kind 141 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: of rumbles you've been hearing the last couple of weeks. 142 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: The same thing happened to me and I wrote about 143 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: this on my sub stack the other day one of 144 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: my most trusted NBA informants. I always believe this person 145 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: when they tell me something too. I look back in 146 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: my notes two weeks exactly before the Bucks announced that 147 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: Adrian Griffin was being dismissed, My informant said Terry Stotts 148 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: would be coaching this team right now if he was 149 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: still there. And I said, yep, I took it on board. 150 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: But I just thought to my you know, nah, I 151 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: mean the Bucks, they're not going to fire Adrian Griffin 152 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: halfway through the season after they hired him, after you 153 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: fire Mike Budenholzer in the wake of five re successful 154 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: seasons and a championship, and they're only gonna give Adrian 155 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: Griffin half a season. And I was proven right, But 156 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: there ain't no victory lap because I was right by 157 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: all of two games Game forty three. Two games passed 158 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: the midpoint, and the Bucks went through and did it 159 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: and validated all this noise. And you know, again, like 160 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: as I kind of talked about at the top on 161 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: this show, we've we've talked about Terry Stotts leaving the 162 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: staff before opening night, we talked about Jannis being clearly upset, 163 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: subbed out of a game against Boston, a national TV 164 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: game and basically checked back in. I remember there was 165 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: a reporter named Chris Haynes who reported about how Bucks 166 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: players went to Adrian Griffin and urged him to receive 167 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: store more of last season's defensive coverages because they didn't 168 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: like the coverages that Adrian Griffin wanted to bring in. 169 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: And I remember also that reporter, a certain Chris Haynes 170 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: telling us after the end season tournament about how Bobby 171 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Portis registered some challenges to the first year coach after 172 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: the Bucks lost in the IST semifinals. It's been one, two, three, four. 173 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: It's just been one thing after another since this thing, 174 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: since since the season has started, really, and it just 175 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: it is clear that he struggled. Adrian Griffin struggled to 176 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: get buy in from this group as a first year coach. 177 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: And it's been happening really from the jump. 178 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: And I would say, Stein, you know, I was able 179 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: to speak with Coach Griff after he was let go. 180 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: Let me just read his quote. They didn't want I'll 181 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: tell you about something else that happened. I wrote about 182 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: it in my story, but this quote is from Griff. 183 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: He said, I appreciate the opportunity the Bucks gave me. 184 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: You can't control everything. I feel good about the job 185 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: we did. I appreciate I appreciate my coaching staff for 186 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: all their hard work. I always wanted to be a 187 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: head coach in this league. I couldn't have asked for 188 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: a better roster. I got to coach Giannis Dame Chris Brooke. 189 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: That's a dream come true. Hopefully I get another shot 190 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: at it, but overall, I'm just thankful that was Adrian Griffin. 191 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: We got to be one of the classiest things. It's 192 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: got to be one of the classiest responses to such 193 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: a tough situation that we've ever heard. It is really 194 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: hard not to feel for Adrian Griffin, who has been 195 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: an assistant coach for a long time and waiting for 196 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity like this for a long time, and for 197 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: it to end so quickly and so unceremoniously, and for 198 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: him to handle it the way he did. 199 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, and that was that was pretty so after 200 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: he was fired. That when he when he asked the 201 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: phone and gave me that. Remember he told me he 202 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: interviewed for NBA head coaching job on fourteen different occasions. 203 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: Throughout a thirteen year period. 204 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: That's crazy. And remember we have Remember we had Darvin 205 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: ham On in the summer and it was ten, so 206 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: that's four more than Darvin. 207 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. Really, I really feel for him, but 208 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: I think he's look, man, they were thirty and thirteen. 209 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: Come on. Yeah. The way it was explained to me 210 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: as well as like that, the Bucks wanted to see 211 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 2: a little bit more convincing wins. You can give them that. Defensively, 212 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: they've been struggling throughout the whole season. Their offense has 213 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: really carried them. Transition d has been abysmal, but at 214 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: the end of the day, they've been getting the job done. 215 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: You know, the Indiana Patriers seemed that I've had their 216 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: number this season. But what I want to say is 217 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 2: after that n season tournament, I wrote about it that 218 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: story for Bleacher Report, Griff called a meeting, a meeting 219 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: with Jannis, Dame, Brooke, and Chris Middleton. And the way 220 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: it was told to me, Griff was challenging all of them, 221 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 2: no hols, bar challenging them, telling them, you know, one 222 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: of the challenges I can say is like getting on 223 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: Dame for making the right reads, Giet giving up the 224 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: ball early, getting on Janni's for not finding guys, taking 225 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: on three guys at a time and transitioning and guys 226 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: being open on the perimeter like he was, Like Griffin 227 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: was calling guys out, challenging them, and that that session 228 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: like it was, it was allowed to Well what that 229 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: session was, it was just an air and out session. 230 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: Say what's wrong, Say what's wrong with me, Say what's 231 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: wrong with your teammates. Let's get it all out clear, 232 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: Let's get it out now. And I was told that 233 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: that session lasts for about a few hours and it 234 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: was pretty productive. And you know, again the way it 235 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: was explained to me is Griff was really going at him, 236 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: like going out his star players, his core guys, those 237 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: four and after that nd season tournament loss when they 238 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: had that air and out session right after, they went 239 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: on to win seven in a row, and to extend 240 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: that a little bit further, they went on to win 241 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: nine of their last ten. So it was a very 242 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: productive session. Everybody got you know, it seemed like everybody 243 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: was buying in. But then it kind of went back 244 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: downhill from there. And so I give Griff and a 245 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: lot of credit. Man, he tried his best and you know, 246 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: I believe he believes that he needed more time. You know, 247 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: this is a new team. It takes time to to 248 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: get everybody on the same page to jail. Giannis has 249 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: never played with somebody like Dame. Dame's never played with 250 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: somebody like Giannis. He felt like he did a good 251 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: job considering all the factors that were in play. 252 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: And I think what's clear based on you know, we 253 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: can make this judge watching the way the Bucks have 254 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: handled this season. They clearly don't feel like they have time. 255 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: Even with Giannis after the Damian Lillard trade, even with 256 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: Yannas signing a new three year extension, the Bucks are 257 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: still operating in a manner that conveys that they don't 258 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: feel like they have time. Because, you know, in our 259 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: previous podcast, you know, a week ago, what did you 260 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: report last Friday? You reported that the Bucks were trying 261 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: to make their way into the trade chase for de 262 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: Jonte Murray. And my takeaway from that is, look, the 263 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: Bucks do not have many trade assets left after going 264 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: out and getting Dame. But to me, the big takeaway 265 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: from Milwaukee's interest in Dejonte Murray is just the desperation, 266 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: just the pressure that They clearly feel that they have 267 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: to make another move, even after bringing in Dame, because 268 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: of the defensive deficiencies that we've seen all season. This 269 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: team's been in the bottom third of the league defensively 270 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: and not again, realistically, can they trade for de Jontey Murray. 271 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna be really hard for them to trade for 272 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: de Jontay Murray. But just the fact that they want 273 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: to give it a try shows you they realize that 274 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: things are not going the way they mapped it out. 275 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: And then when they make such an abrupt coaching change, 276 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: it slams home the idea that they realize this is 277 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: their big move. Realistically, they're not gonna be able to 278 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: make a major trade. We know they're gonna try to 279 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: do something. You've I know you've been characterizing the Bucks 280 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: as they're gonna be aggressive and trying to find anything 281 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: they can do, anything they can do before the deadline. 282 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: But this is the move they knew they could make, 283 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: as uncomfortable as it would be to make a coaching 284 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: change now, and they did it. 285 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: And that and that highlights an aspect of their how 286 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: aggressive they are. Again, they are paying three head coaching salaries. 287 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: That's pretty unprecedented right there. And these aren't three young, 288 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: inexperienced head coaching salaries. You know, Adrian Griffin is pretty sure, 289 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't making top flight NBA head coaching money. 290 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: But Mike Budenholzer and Doc Rivers, that's a pretty penny 291 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: right there. So it shows you, you know, it just 292 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: exactly how urgent they are right now. And then again 293 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: there's a window, be honest with dame, they have a window. 294 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 2: This is a three four year window, that's about it. 295 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: So you got to maximize that. And so again I 296 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: wish I wish coach Adrian Griffin all the best. I 297 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: hope he can get another job, I really do. That's 298 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: that's just a it's a sad situation to have to 299 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: wait that long and go through the coaching process that 300 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: many times before getting your first head job, and then 301 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: you get a prime gig and and then you're out 302 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: midway through a four year deal. That's pretty unpressed in 303 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: it's tin and yeahpe hopefully he could get another shot, 304 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: all right. 305 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: Well, before we move on to the Doc Rivers portion 306 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: of this, because I do want to highlight one other 307 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: thing I reported this week, because I. 308 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: Look, yes you did Stan, Yes, you did. I know 309 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: where you're going with. 310 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: Look, Jani Sontetokumpo, this is going to be something that. 311 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: You emptied the notebook clip. Stean, you emptied the note 312 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: book clip. 313 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: In the summer in May. I reported it. I know 314 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: you reported it. I know we both heard it. The 315 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: word started to emerge that Janis Antetokumpo, of the candidates 316 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: that Milwaukee was looking at, that he was most intrigued 317 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: with Adrian Griffin. And it was very curious because they 318 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: have never, to my knowledge, worked together before. Adrian Griffin 319 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: had been an assistant coach in a number of places 320 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: on his way to getting the Milwaukee job, but he 321 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: did not have a ton of previous working experience with 322 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: Janis on Tetokumpo. So the fact that Jannis liked the 323 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: idea of Milwaukee hiring Griffin, there were a lot of 324 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: people around the league at the time in late May 325 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: asking why, how where did this relationship come from? Well, 326 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: in the months since and as things have kind of 327 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: been rocky here in Milwaukee, the way it was described 328 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: to me was that it was really more that Yannis 329 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: did not want the Bucks to go in the direction 330 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: of hiring Nick Nurse, who was very available after he 331 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: left Toronto, and that rather than urged the Bucks to 332 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: hire Nick Nurse, Jannis began championing Adrian Griffin. The word 333 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: that was circulating at the time was he wanted a 334 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: former player, and Adrian Griffin was the most notable former 335 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: player who made the latter stages of the Bucks coaching search. 336 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: I think Kenny Atkinson from the Warriors was also in there. 337 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: But look, this is something, this is a storyline that 338 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: I don't think will be going away because Philadelphia remains 339 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: in contention for the Eastern Conference crown along with Milwaukee 340 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: and Miami and of course Boston. But the Bucks really 341 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: had the first lane toward hiring Nick Nurse and did not. 342 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: And Nick Nurse has since gone on to Philadelphia, and 343 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: you've seen the impact he's had on the Sixers as 344 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: a whole, but really on Joel Embiid, who's probably playing 345 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: the best basketball of his life. And this week, at 346 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: the time of the firing, the Sixers were in the 347 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: top five in both offense and defense, and the Bucks, 348 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: while number two in offense, have again they've been twenty 349 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: one twenty two range in defensive ratings. So look, hiring 350 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. Now, however they got there, does create the 351 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: possibility that the Bucks can fix this. Maybe now they 352 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: have the coach they feel is the right coach who 353 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: can steer this team into championship contention. And look, Doc 354 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: Rivers has no shortage of critics around the league because 355 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: of his player of shortcomings over the past decade plus. 356 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: But look, I think Doc Rivers is going to very 357 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: quickly get player buy in in Milwaukee, the player buy 358 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: in that Adrian Griffin did not get. But I mean, 359 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: this story just has so many layers. And like I said, 360 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: we've been going now for a good fifteen minutes maybe more, 361 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: and we've barely even talked about Doc. 362 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: And that's where that's where this gets all interesting, because again, 363 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: Philly has played some really good basketball. Boston plans some 364 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: really good basketball. And these are his old these are 365 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: two of his old stomping grounds, and now he's going 366 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: to be asked to lead the charge to take down, 367 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: potentially take down two of his two of his spots 368 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: in spots in previous time. I think I think you 369 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: know a bunch of players too. I'm gonna say it's 370 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: stein a bunch of players. I would say star players, 371 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: when I mean a bunch, I'll say it handful. So 372 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 2: about five players star players. They called me and they 373 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: asked me about Doc Rivers and they were like, man like, Doc, 374 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: get these jobs. And my response to him or to 375 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: them was who else would you hire? Because you have 376 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: to understand what this Bucks team they are. It is desperation, 377 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: it is urgent of the highest degree. You have to hire. 378 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 2: They just let go of Ad and Griffin, and I 379 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: think a large reason why was due to inexperience, regardless 380 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: of why they hired them in the first place, whatever, 381 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: But you have to bring in somebody with some cache, 382 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: with some experience, who's with some experience, who has spent 383 00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: time coaching superstars, handling egos, handling personalities, handling depth because 384 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: when you when you're handling depth like that's why you 385 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: got to give ty Lou credit. Not only is he 386 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 2: one of the best exit and os coaches, but he 387 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: understands how to handle depth because then you're you're dealing 388 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: with personalities, You're dealing with egos because you're limiting their 389 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: minute distribution, and you have to you have to work 390 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: through all of that. So who else is out there? Like? 391 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: And that's why you know, and nobody could come up 392 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: with a name. And this is what I was told. 393 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: The Bucks were looking at, Doc Rivers, Jeff Van Gundy, 394 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: Nate McMillan. It was a very short list, very short list. 395 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: And if you're talking about those names, I know people 396 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: hate hearing about recycled coaches, But who else is out 397 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: there that's available with that experience that can come in 398 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: to the locker room from day one and command the 399 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 2: respect of these players? You know, you can talk about it, 400 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: but you could talk about not liking the move or 401 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: Doc's getting all these opportunities, But okay, who else is 402 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: out there? Nobody can give me a name? How do 403 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 2: you feel about that stund how you feel about like? 404 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: Who else is out look? 405 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned it once and we will say it again. 406 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: Over the past decade plus the championship with Boston in 407 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, that was a long time ago, 408 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: there have been numerous playoff disappointments for Doc's various teams 409 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: in those intervening fifteen ish years, a lot of teams 410 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: that didn't get passed round two, a lot of Game 411 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: seven defeats, and Doc's gonna have to hear about that 412 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: and answer that talk. Until he takes a team into 413 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: the conference finals and beyond again. But to me, he 414 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: was the obvious choice. If you're going to do something 415 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: like this, I'm with you. I think he was really 416 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: the only choice at this point, because, look, he can't 417 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: change that personnel. The Bucks are still going to have 418 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: defensive issues with the roster they have. But can he 419 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: run more pick and roll with Giannis and Dame, something 420 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: we have not seen as much of as some pundits anticipated. 421 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: Can he, first of all, just get that group on 422 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: the same page. I think he can, and I think 423 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: he will. One more thing about the Bucks, at least 424 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: for now. We will underline for now, because I don't 425 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: think we're going to be done talking Bucks for a 426 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: while here as Doc Rivers gets settled in there. Certainly 427 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: the microscope will stay trained on the Bucks and how 428 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: they react to this coaching change. But Milwaukee as a 429 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: franchise has faced some additional criticism this week because it's 430 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: been reported that in the month or so before Adrian 431 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: Griffin's dismissal, the Bucks reached out to Doc Rivers to 432 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: ask him to serve as a coaching consultant to Adrian Griffin, 433 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: and that has certainly raised eyebrows. It has led to 434 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: suggestions that Doc was angling for this job before it 435 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: was open, and my issue with that is, I mean, 436 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: I I've heard repeatedly since the season started how much 437 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: Doc was enjoying the TV life, the media life. I 438 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: really don't think he was desperate to get back into 439 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: coaching this season. I felt like the consistent rumbles out 440 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: there were that, you know, Doc, of course he was 441 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: gonna come back and take a job eventually, but that 442 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: a year off to do TV, to play golf and 443 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: get some respite from the daily madness was not an 444 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: idea of it. He didn't love the sound of I 445 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: think he did love the sound of that, and now 446 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: he is back in the hot seat again. What's been 447 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: your take on all that chatter. 448 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: I think if Doc has asked about that consultant role, 449 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: I think if he's asked about it publicly, I think 450 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: he'll refute that about behind the scenes, I'm hearing that 451 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: that role was offered, but it sounds like he didn't 452 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: accept that role of consultant. Griff. Uh, That's that's what 453 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: I'll That's how it was. 454 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: We got to dig more into that one. Because I'm 455 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: with you I've heard the same thing. I heard that 456 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: he was offered the consultant role and didn't really want it. 457 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: So to what extent he was consulting Adrian Griffin, We're 458 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: gonna have to We're gonna have to dig into that 459 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: one a little bit more. And you know you said 460 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: it too. You know, it'll be very interesting too hear 461 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: from Doc Rivers when he is formally ushered in as 462 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: the bucks new coach. You know, we've John Horst held 463 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: a press conference on Wednesday after the Adrian Griffin dismissal 464 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: and Joe Prunty coaching the Bucks as the interim coach. 465 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: But we still have to hear from Doc Rivers, and 466 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: again we will rest assured. We are not done talking 467 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 1: about the Bucks of Milwaukee. They will remain very much 468 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: in the news, and as you've been saying, they will. 469 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: You know, they're a team that still wants to try 470 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: to do something at this deadline. So let's see if 471 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: they can still make a move of some sort to 472 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: try to spruce up the roster as well. All Right, 473 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna move on now to some All Star discussion 474 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: because the All Star starters were announced on this Thursday night. 475 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: As Chris and I record, and look, we can go 476 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: in a zillion different directions. We've now officially passed the 477 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: midpoint of the twenty twenty three to twenty four regular season. 478 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: We will most certainly be getting back to trade season, 479 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: just under three weeks away from the trade buzzer promise 480 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: that upcoming episodes will have lots of trade talk and 481 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: almost anniversary time for US. January thirtieth, twenty twenty three 482 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: was the date of the first edition of this league, uncut, 483 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: and so we are getting very close to our one 484 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: year anniversary, which is a stunning development in itself that 485 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: we made it this far. But let's talk all stars. 486 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: All joking aside, let's talk all stars. The starters were 487 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: announced tonight. I mean, I wasn't terribly surprised by the results, 488 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: but I guess it to on how you want to 489 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: look at things in the Eastern Conference, zero surprise in 490 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: the East front court, janas Antetokumpo, Joe l Embiid Jason 491 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: Tatum are your three East starters. The backcourt Tyrese Halliburton 492 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: for the hometown Indiana Pacers hosts of the event. And 493 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: then I guess this is where the surprise element such 494 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: as it was, came in Damian Lillard, yanas Antokumpo's teammate 495 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: from the Milwaukee Bucks, he gets the other starting spot 496 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: in the East, ahead of New York's Jalen Brunson. I'm 497 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: sure Brunson is disappointed, but I think without question Brunson 498 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: will be selected by East coaches next week for his 499 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: first All Star appearance. And amazingly, for Damian Lillard, I 500 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: believe this will be the first time he ever starts 501 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: in the All Star YEP, which that did catch me 502 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: a bit off guard. In the West, your starters in 503 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: the front court Nikola Jokic, Kevin Durant and a certain 504 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: thirty nine year old named Lebron James. And then in 505 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: the backcourt. Again, I'm not shocked by this because remember 506 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: voting is now fifty percent fans, but also twenty five 507 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: percent media and twenty five percent players. For the All Stars. 508 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: Shay Gilgis Alexander joins Luka Doncic as a starter in 509 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: the West backcourt, which means Stephan Curry is not a starter, 510 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: and that's mostly down to the fact that Steph slipped 511 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: to number four in the media vote. But again I'm 512 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: not hugely surprised there because Golden State struggles at nineteen 513 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,239 Speaker 1: and twenty two. Entering Thursday night's play again, not a 514 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: massive surprise to me at least that he would slip 515 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: some among media voters and open the door for SGA 516 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: to barge into the starting lineup. But you've heard me 517 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: prattle on enough. Chris Haynes, what was your reaction to 518 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: the East and West starters? 519 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: I was, I was surprised. We talked about this, what 520 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 2: was it last month, and I was I was saying, hey, Stein, 521 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: is there a scenario where Steph might not be the starter? 522 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: Because I was, you know, I was making a case 523 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 2: for SGA. I was making a case for Anthony Edwards, 524 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 2: being that Minnesota Timbolves are number one, and just with 525 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: the popularity is Steph. I still didn't see it. Even 526 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: to the current time, I didn't see it. I still 527 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: felt like, yes, when you're talking about the players in 528 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 2: the media, they're largely going to vote for who's playing 529 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: well that that season. You can bank on them. Media 530 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: more so probably could bank on them to kind of 531 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 2: get it right. Fan voting is fan voting. But I 532 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 2: still thought what the popular is Steph is popular among 533 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: his peers. I still thought Steph could get in via 534 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: the fan excuse me, via the player vote. I didn't 535 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: think media would. So as I look through this, excuse me, 536 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: I'm in the East right now. So as I look 537 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: through this, oh, you already said yes, Steph got and 538 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: player ranking. Player vote he was third, and media he 539 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: was fourth. 540 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: So that's that's really heard a starting spot slipped to 541 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: number four among the media. Look, I think if there's really, 542 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: if there's a curveball here, it's that Jalen Brunson. He 543 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: was number two among East guards in the media vote. 544 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: The media backed Jalen Brunson as an All Star starter 545 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: more than the fan vote. And that is because you 546 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: think the Knicks have such a huge fan base that 547 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: that's going to theoretically give Brunson an advantage. But I 548 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: think it speaks to the fact that Damian Lillard, no 549 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: matter what jersey he's wearing, Portland, Milwaukee, whatever, Damian Lillard 550 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: is still a very very popular player. And the fan 551 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: vote clearly proved that. 552 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, the players selected Tyrese Halliburton and Tyrese Maxi one 553 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 2: two players, media selected Halliburton and Brunson. One thing that's 554 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: fascinating about this is like, where are we with the 555 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 2: so called big market teams having an advantage? Right, Jalen 556 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 2: Brunson is one of the biggest stars that Knicks have 557 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: had in a long time. Why in that market in 558 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 2: New York where they're winning. Jalen Brunson is a very 559 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 2: likable player, a young star on the rise. Why was 560 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 2: he only let me see fan voting he was? Why 561 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: is why was he fifth in fan voting in the 562 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 2: New York market? Why is that? Does market size mean anything? 563 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: I think it's become a global game, and you you know, 564 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: and that's it's it's not just if And I hope 565 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: I have my facts straight here, because look, I gotta 566 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: be honest. I typically do not get super worked up 567 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: about the starters because the fan vote element is such 568 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: a huge part of it and to me, the fans 569 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: should get to see who they want to see. And 570 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: so I what, you know, I'm always you know, supporting 571 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: various changes in tweaks to the NBA system and they 572 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: should change this, and they should change that, and they 573 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: said they should fix this, but you know, all stars starters. 574 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: To me, the fact that it is now fifty percent 575 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: fan vote instead of one hundred percent fan vote, Like, 576 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: that's not one that I was really clamoring for, just 577 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: speaking purely for myself, because to me, you know, the 578 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: fans want to see who they want to see, and 579 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't typically tend to quibble with that. But because 580 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: it is fifty twenty five twenty five now instead of 581 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: just one hundred percent fan vote, we're able to dissect 582 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: these results even more and really put them under the 583 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: microscope and try to figure out what it all means. Yeah, 584 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm you know again, neither one of these 585 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: floored me. But you would have thought if Brunson only 586 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: needed a higher fan vote placing to get that starting spot, 587 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: that he probably would have. 588 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question. This could be a controversial question, 589 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 2: all right. My question to you Stein since they went 590 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: to this format of picking starters by way of fans, 591 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: media and players. The fans are the fans, like you said, 592 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: it's about them. They want to see who they want 593 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: to see. Then it's the media's job to try to 594 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 2: uphold uphold the standards of which players are playing the 595 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 2: best that particular season. So it's our jobs as the 596 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: media to take away you know, we're not looking at popularity. 597 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 2: We're not looking at who is the who whose game 598 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 2: we like the best. It's about who's happened the best 599 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: season that particular year. And then you have the players 600 00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 2: and put now Stein Ben Simmons has two votes by 601 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 2: the players, Josh Hart has four votes. I can go 602 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 2: on and on. I would encourage everybody to go look 603 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 2: at the results, look at. 604 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 1: Star votes through and compiles the list of amazing, it's 605 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: crazy votes from fellow players in the All Star process. 606 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, that that bothers me, that you know. 607 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 2: And Stein. The reason why I bring this up because 608 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 2: it's funny every year. It really is funny every year. 609 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 2: But the problem is is that by not really voting 610 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 2: the right way, voting to who should really be an 611 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: All Star, whoever you think really should be an All 612 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 2: Star starter, you're taking votes away from guys who are 613 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 2: probably that vote will make the difference, that vote will 614 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 2: have them actually being a starter opposed to now having 615 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 2: to rely on being called as an All Star reserve 616 00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: next week. And there's a lot like look at this list. 617 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 2: These votes are spread throughout the league of guys who 618 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 2: haven't played, guys that's not in the rotation. God, you know, 619 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So it's like, I know players talk 620 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 2: about having input in and listen, you can say it's 621 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 2: a small sample size because they still have you know, 622 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 2: they still had the right guys that overall they had 623 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 2: the right guys in as starters. But there's a lot 624 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 2: of votes just spread out and that you're just throwing 625 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 2: them away in which those votes could be difference makers. 626 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 2: And so I'm like, man, if y'all not gonna take 627 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 2: it seriously, ah, I don't know. I don't know, am 628 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 2: I making too big of a deal of. 629 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: It, because there's always the talk that you know, in 630 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: the media, we're dumb, we don't know what the hell 631 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about. But I think, look, I don't have 632 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: the list in front of me, but if if I 633 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: heard Ernie Johnson correctly, and if I'm remembering what Ernie 634 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: Johnson and said during TNT's broadcast earlier tonight, I think 635 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: the media had Anthony Edwards and Jalen Brunson on its 636 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: respective All Star ballots as starters. And to me, that 637 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: looks like pretty smart analysis by the media as a 638 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: whole to recognize guys who played at a really, really, 639 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: really elite level. Obviously, the media is choosing starters, or 640 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,439 Speaker 1: is theoretically at least choosing starters based on who they 641 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: think is playing the best and most impactful basketball in 642 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: the league. So yeah, you know, the media is constantly 643 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: branded as not the best judge of talent in these circumstances. 644 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: And I think when you see the voting results and 645 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: we get these various player names, various guys getting All 646 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: Star votes that clearly should not, it lets you know 647 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: why the league keeps asking the media to vote on 648 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: so many things, because nobody's going to do it perfect. 649 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: Whoever is voting, people are going to take issue with it. 650 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: If it was one hundred percent at fan vote, people 651 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: would sit here and complain about player A, B or 652 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: C being left off. When the coaches pick the reserves, 653 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: we're going to have a huge discussion about snubs. It's 654 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: the way it always is, no matter who's doing the voting. 655 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: But I think history shows that the media as a 656 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: collective is quite responsible and tries to bring the most 657 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: objective lens to this as you can, and of course 658 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying it as biased as you possibly can as 659 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: a member of the media, but again, look at the results. 660 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: I think Anthony Edwards and Jalen Brunson do have very 661 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: strong cases to be All Star starters. 662 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 2: And again aside from not aside from these votes potentially 663 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 2: swing if you're a starter or not, you know it 664 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 2: has financial implications a well, you know, players have bonuses 665 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 2: for being an All Star starter, so you plan with 666 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,280 Speaker 2: your money. So essentially, players, you're playing with your own money. 667 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 1: Like I said, I generally save most of my entergy 668 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: in terms of getting worked up about All Star matters. 669 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: I save most of my energy for the reserves because 670 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: that's where the coaches are doing it, and emotion is 671 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: supposed to be taken out of it completely, and they're 672 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: really supposed to be grading guys on performance, and then 673 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: the whole team's success comes into the equation and we're 674 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,720 Speaker 1: going to have a great argument about who got snubbed. 675 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: But year after year with the players voting, we see 676 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: some wild votes cast let's. 677 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 2: Say, just throwing them away, That's what's happening. 678 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: Just throwing it away, all right, That is going to 679 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: do it for this edition of this league, uncut. And yeah, 680 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad that that. I'm glad that that anniversary date 681 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: popped into my head before we signed off because next 682 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: week we will have two more episodes of This League Uncut. 683 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: I have not yet been apprized of Chris Haynes's travel 684 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,919 Speaker 1: schedule for next week, whether he's working one or two 685 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: games on the TNT sidelines, but we're gonna work around 686 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: whatever travel is thrown his way to bring you two episodes. 687 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 2: Let me let me announce it. 688 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: Yes, please share this. 689 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: Let me announce it. So I have I have Philly 690 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 2: at Golden State on Tuesday. Golden State, Philly, Golden State 691 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 2: on Tuesday. That's for TNT Dan Sty Right after that, 692 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 2: it's not a TNT game. I'm hopping on a plane 693 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 2: early in the morning. I'm head to Portland the Bucks 694 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 2: Portland Dames return. 695 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: How did I forget that? January thirty first. January thirtieth 696 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,280 Speaker 1: is the one year anniversary of this League Uncut. January 697 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: thirty first, Damian Lillard plays as a visitor at the 698 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,240 Speaker 1: Moda Center the first time, and I knew you would 699 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: be there, so you know what. We will have at 700 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: least one pod before those two TV assignments, But something 701 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: tells me we will have to wait for the second 702 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: pod next week, the first official pod of year two 703 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: of this league uncut. We will wait till after you 704 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,439 Speaker 1: cover that Bucks at Blazers game, because I know your 705 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: notebook will be bursting after that trip to the Pacific Northwest. 706 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 2: Looking very forward. Flying Pie Pizza, if you guys are 707 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 2: ever in Portland, the best pizza in the country, Flying 708 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 2: Pie for real. 709 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: I've never heard you bring that up before. 710 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,760 Speaker 2: I want are you being outcast? 711 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: I'm being one hundred percent. I've never heard you bring 712 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: that up before. I want pictures and a full We're 713 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: gonna do ten we might have to do ten minutes 714 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: on We might have to do ten minutes on pizza 715 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 1: next week. If you're that you feel that strongly about it. 716 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 2: Hey, urinals and pizza. 717 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,919 Speaker 1: So done with urinals. I don't even want to hear 718 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: the word until Steve Balmer is on this show. Pizza. 719 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: We can talk about that all day. We can do 720 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: a separate pizza pod. If you want to do a 721 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: best Pizza on the NBA Map Show, we can tackle that. 722 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: Because you're not mine, because my my pick is my 723 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: pick will surprise you, but I do not. I am 724 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: not aware. I am not aware of this pizza in 725 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: Portland that you're touting. So now I'm. 726 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 2: Flying pod I'm curious Stein. When we do this, I'm talking, 727 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 2: when we do talk about pizza, a certain region in 728 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 2: this great country of ours will be very pissed off 729 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,479 Speaker 2: at me. And I mean, i'm gonna say it, the 730 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 2: Midwest don't mess with those pizza ste I don't mess 731 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 2: with it. 732 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: The whole Midwest. Get the whole Midwest. 733 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 2: I'm really talking about Chicago staff. 734 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm not either. I'm with you. 735 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not. It's bunch of cheese, just just cheese. 736 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: It's cheesy. I am a thin crust devote so I'm 737 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: with you on that. All right. That will do it 738 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: for this edition of This League Uncut. As always, we 739 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,840 Speaker 1: remind you to please follow the show, rate the show, 740 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: review the show, Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. 741 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: A five star review would be greatly appreciated. If you 742 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: have comments on anything we've discussed here today, including and 743 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: maybe especially pizza, we welcome those as well. We'll be 744 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: back with you next week with two more editions. Cannot 745 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: believe this humble little enterprise is turning two years old. 746 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 1: Thank you producer Ryan, Thank you mister Haynes for carrying me. 747 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:55,280 Speaker 1: We'll all be back with you. Very soon, and that'll 748 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:55,879 Speaker 1: do it for us. 749 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 2: See you next time. 750 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: This league Uncut is and Heart Radio Production. 751 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,839 Speaker 2: P suck a lock up 752 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: Chris Hanes and Mark Stein