1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Say it with me now, Everyone's four favorite words, Happy, 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: pictures and catchers. The Cardinals twenty twenty five season is 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: officially underway. I'm Katie Wu He's Trevor Rosenthal. Welcome back 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: to Cardinal territory. Let's get after it. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome back. Let's get we're getting We're getting really 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: really close to having actual baseball to talk about. So yes, 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: I've been waiting for a while for this. I've been 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: tread and water. We made it. We're here. Pictures and catchers, 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: report for great words. Katie nailed it. Let's see what 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: we have to look forward to with this Cardinals camp. 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'll recognize the elephant in the room. I 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: know this camp feels a little different. It's definitely been 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: a different offseason, and I know fan morale. Just going 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: through comments on the athletic comments on our YouTube page, 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: it's pretty split. I think some of us want to 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: be optimistic and some are rather apathetic or pessimistic. And 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: I understand any emotion. But for me today, it was 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: so great to walk up to Roger Dean. It's like 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: eighty five degrees in Jupiter. I heard it snowed in 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: Saint Louis that sucks not here and the first day 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: pictures and catchers report day is kind of like orientation, 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: you know in high school, like you'd have the day 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: before the first day of school. That's how it felt today. 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: There were no like scheduled workouts or anything, just people 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: catching up and hanging out. And I was like, you 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: know what, everyone here is happy to be here, and 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: I feed into it. So I'm optimistic for the twenty 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: twenty five season. I have no idea where it's going 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: to go, but I'm excited to be a part of 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: it and tell the story. No matter what. When I lose, 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna have fun. 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like this time of the year. It's crazy 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: how much the game has changed. I remember in two 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: thousand and what was my first I don't know, two 35 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: thousand and twelve was my first big league spring training, 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: and at that time, there were players that I would 37 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: talk to because I'm like, I'm a curious guy by nature, 38 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: so I would ask them like, Hey, what's your off 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: season program? Look like, what have you been training? Where 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: are you at in your your throwing program? And there 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: were guys, there were literally guys not that long ago 42 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: that would show up and be like, oh, I just 43 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: put on my cleats for the first time, Like this 44 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: is the first time I've touched of baseball since the 45 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: season ended last year. And I agree with you, it's 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: it's exciting because as you saw today, there's guys working out. 47 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: You can tell they're ready to go. I mean, games 48 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: are not that far away. Games start, what the twenty second, 49 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: so not too long days after pictures and catchers report, 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: so guys have to show up ready to go. And 51 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: I think, you know, as we're looking at the Cardinals 52 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: for this new season, the changes that are going to 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: be made, we got to build some momentum, right like 54 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: this new culture, the changes that they're wanting to make 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 2: to rebuild this system and see what they have. I mean, 56 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: we've got to be starting off on the right foot. 57 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: And I think this is the perfect spring to see it, 58 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: because you know, I walked in and granted, there's probably 59 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: about a third of Big League camp here today on Tuesday, 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: and I was for the first time. I looked around 61 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: and I said, oh my gosh, I think I'm older 62 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: than almost everybody in this clubhouse and I have not 63 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: experienced that before. But there are a ton of young 64 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: guys in there, and then I look over on the 65 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: staff side of the room a ton of new staff, 66 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: new faces, So it definitely feels like a reset, like 67 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: a transition. Of course, there are the people that you 68 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: have spent years with, but walking in, I was like, 69 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: I have some work to do. I have some people 70 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: to get to know, some names and basis to learn. 71 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: And when I'm sure we're going to spend so much 72 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: time in the spring talking about the overhaul to the 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: minor league system, because everyone is here and we'll get 74 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: to see these coordinators in action already within the first 75 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: thirty minutes of being in the complex. Today, I was 76 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: talking to a couple people in the clubhouse and they 77 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: mentioned the amount of work that new catching coordinator Ethan 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: go Forth has put in with Evon Herrera. And little 79 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: did I know that Von Herrera was going to start 80 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: throwing in the backfield. So I was like, hey, can 81 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: I come watch you here's yeah, of course, he's actually 82 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: a little preview what's coming in the athletic This week. 83 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: Spent part of the winter in Tampa at Driveline completely 84 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: new throwing program and both bullpen catcher Jamie Pogue and 85 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: their catching coordinator You can go forth, we're part of 86 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: this to kind of revamp Herrera's arm. We know about 87 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: the arm troubles last year. They weren't great, So that's 88 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: something I was interested to see, and like, right off 89 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: the bat, you see guys like Herrera was really excited 90 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: about the work that he put in. So again I'm 91 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: feeding off that excitement and optimism and there will be 92 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: stories and there will be plenty of things to talk about, 93 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: potentially as early as Sunday. All right, let's get into it. 94 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: It's time for our like our bi monthly check in 95 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: on Nolan Arnado, who is still a Saint Louis Cardinal. 96 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: So the most pressing question of the winter for the 97 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals Trevor, was if Nolan Arnado was going to be 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: a Saint Louis Cardinal, and now it's their most pressing 99 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: question of the spring. So not exactly a good sign 100 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: that your off season went according to plan when you 101 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: roll into spring training and you didn't answer your most 102 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: pressing question of the winter. However, he is still a Cardinal. 103 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: He is expected to be here by Sunday, which is 104 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: position player report deadline, and the Cardinals are still actively 105 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: trying to trade him. The issue it's been the same 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: thing since December. Alex Bregman remains unsigned, so it's created 107 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: a log jam of effect. Really, I feel like the 108 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals are being a little bit held a little hostage 109 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: by Bregman at this point. But one thing to note, 110 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: they still remain engaged with the Boston Red Sox. It 111 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: sounds like that's the most likely fit if a trade 112 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: does happen. However, the Red Sox are still in conversations 113 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: with signing Alex Bregman. There about five other teams involved 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: in that and nothing looks close to a resolution. So 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: while the Cardinals continue to talk to the Red Sox, 116 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: that is just kind of a like doing your due 117 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: diligence in case this trade happens, in case Bragman goes 118 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: somewhere else, the Cardinals want to be able to slide 119 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: right back in and pick up where they left off. 120 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: I did hear they'd exchange some player names, but I'm 121 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: unclear on which players would be involved in a hypothetical trade. 122 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: It is believed though, that are not a would wave 123 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: his no trade cause, unlike the Houston situation a couple 124 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: of months ago. So ASKO Trevor, is it getting traded 125 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: or is he a Cardinal on opening Day? 126 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm still in the camp. It seems like he's got 127 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: to get he has to get traded because they've put 128 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: such an emphasis on it. Certainly, you would have to 129 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: imagine they've lost some leverage, mainly because of Bregman, mainly 130 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: because the timing. Right now, teams are well aware that 131 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: this is a move that Saint Louis wants to make, 132 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: so I think it I'd be interested to hear your perspective. 133 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: Is this a situation where the Cardinals are trying to 134 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: not have to give up as much in terms of 135 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: like eating the contract, eating dollars that are left on 136 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: Nolan's contract, and then also the players that they get 137 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: in return. I mean, how how picky can can Saint 138 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: Louis be at this point? 139 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: They can't be picky at all. You're spot on. They 140 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: have no leverage. I mean, every person in baseball and 141 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: knows that the Cardinals do not want Nolan on their 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: baseball team. Now, if he remains a Cardinal, I'm you know, 143 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: this is not a hot take by any means, but 144 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: he may the team better. If Nolan Arnada is your 145 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: third baseman, you have a pretty good third baseman and 146 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: a pretty strong right handed bat in your lineup. But 147 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: the reason that you know, we've talked about this all 148 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: off season long. They want to let the kids play, 149 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: They want to create playing time for Gorman and s JC, 150 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: et cetera. And I think Nolan wants to go and 151 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: play for a committed contender, where the Cardinals taking a 152 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: step back in that regard. Now, it's important to note 153 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: here that while he's expected to report on Sunday at 154 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: the latest, the Cardinals, both John Mosey Locke and Nolan 155 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Arnatto have not set a hard deadline on a trade 156 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: like needing to be decided by a certain date. They 157 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals will continue to negotiate into the spring. Nolan, I'm sure, 158 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: wants some clarity. I think he just wants to know 159 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: if I'm getting traded is bostonological possibility? Is this legit? 160 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Or am I going to be a Cardinal? And then 161 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: he'll lock in. Remember it's not like he's demanding ticket 162 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: out of here. If if the Cardinals can't trade Nolan 163 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: and he remains in Saint Louis, I don't think we're 164 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: going to see like a big pity party. I think 165 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: he's going to be like, all right, well, I couldn't 166 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: get traded the team. The teams that I wanted were 167 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: interested in me. The Cardinals could not figure it out. 168 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: So I'm going to prove some people wrong. Now, A 169 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: big hold up in this minus fragmant is something you 170 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: talked about. It's the money. The Cardinals are not going 171 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: to just eat the majority of this contract. Now. Are 172 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: they willing to be a little bit more flexible now 173 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: than they were in December? Yes, but not to the 174 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: point where teams are willing to re engage. The Yankees 175 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: have been pretty strict in their initial conversations, as in, 176 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: they don't want them pay well to go any higher. 177 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: They're not going to take on any more additional salary. 178 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: The Cardinals, and remember this is a build of junior decision, 179 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: not necessarily a mode decision in terms of how much 180 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: money the organization can eat, have been pretty reluctant to 181 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: eat anymore. So it's this perfect storm of all of 182 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: these factors that make a trade really complicated. But I'm 183 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: with you, Trevor. As long as Alex Bregman does not 184 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: go to Boston, I think are not a will be 185 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: traded by the middle of spring. And I mean it 186 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: this time. I know I've been very inconsistent on my beliefs, 187 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: but this one, it feels like his best chance in 188 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: being traded will come to the middle of spring. And 189 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: I'd even go as I think that are not up front, 190 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: we'll pick up really quickly. 191 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just I'm wondering too. You mentioned if he 192 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: reports on Sunday, how awkward is that media scrum? Like, 193 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: what do you ask him? Especially if we're all thinking 194 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: he's going to be traded. It's just a matter of time. 195 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: I mean, what do you talk to a guy like 196 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: that about. 197 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have also thought about this, and I've also 198 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: thought about, oh, this might be a little awkward. And 199 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: I've said this on the show before. Noel Arnado has 200 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: been a pro to the media, and in the four 201 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: years he's been here, I mean, there have been days 202 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: where he has not wanted to talk and has said, 203 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, hey, like I don't really want to do it. 204 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: I hope you guys understand, and we do. And then 205 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: he's left the club us and come back and he'll say, actually, no, 206 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: let's just do it, like this is part of my 207 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: obligation or what I signed up for as a player. 208 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: He's taken the heat multiple times in twenty twenty four 209 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: when the offense was that instead of having a younger 210 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: guy who didn't come through in a situation, he would 211 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: wait for us in the clubhouse and make it clear 212 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: that he was going to be the designated player to 213 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: talk about the offense. That happened at least three or 214 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: four times last year. So it will be awkward, but 215 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, Arnatto is a veteran. He's been in this 216 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: league over ten years. He knows how these things are 217 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: going to go. It's not like, you know, again, he 218 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: didn't demand the trade. Moe asked him if this is 219 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: something that he wanted. He agreed that it would probably 220 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: be the best decision. I don't think we can ignore 221 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: the tension or the awkwardness, but I think overall Unt 222 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: he'll be a pro about it. We are scheduled to 223 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: talk to Olie Marmel and John Mozelac for the first 224 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: time Wednesday morning. That's tomorrow, so I'm interested to see 225 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: what mo has to say about it. I can't imagine 226 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: it'd be very easy to talk to the exact same 227 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: group of people that you did two months ago talking 228 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: about how Arnatto is you know, they intend to trade 229 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: him a Priority one, two and three w Twever, if 230 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: you don't accomplish Priority one, two and three over your 231 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: off season, especially if those options are actually the same thing, 232 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: is that a good off season or no? Well? 233 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it pretty much sums up the off season. 234 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: I think we're very much still and so there's still 235 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: some time, maybe twelve hours or so, but we're running 236 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: out of time to check those things off. I mean, 237 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: I'm a procrastinator, but you would think someone in Patzi 238 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: would not wait until the last minute. But no, I agree. 239 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: I think Nolan's a professional. I've enjoyed following him on 240 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: social media this offseason. It's very clear that he is 241 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: eager to prove his you know, filled those holes that 242 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: he had last year. We're talking about maybe the swing 243 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: or the power, whatever it may be. But he's been 244 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: intentional about posting the work that he's been putting in 245 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: and he looks good. So I agree he's a professional 246 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: and it's all going to work out at the end. 247 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: I think we should commend Nolan. He has been on 248 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Instagram for very long, maybe about a year, but he's 249 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: really picked it up. It's an interesting account to follow. 250 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: It's it's hard being both a professional athlete and an influencer, 251 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I guess. But he does a good job. Yeah, I'm 252 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: excited to see how that turns out. I feel like 253 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: at this point, I mean, we waited for to figure 254 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: out if you was going to get traded or not. 255 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: It would be the most Cardinals thing ever for him 256 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: to get traded, like Saturday night. And then I'm mad. 257 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: And then I'm mad because I stressed all week over 258 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: how this press conference is going to go, only for 259 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: us to have to scramble. So when that happens, just 260 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: think of me and just know I'm in a bad mood. 261 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 2: Katie, don't be mad. We're happy. It's spring training. Every 262 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: team is on a level playing field right now. We're happy. 263 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, and you know what. We're going 264 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: to get into our spring predictions because there's a lot 265 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: to be happier, optimistic or talk about. But first we 266 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: need to hear from our friends at Hungry Rats. 267 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: Do you like spending an hour on grocery shopping? 268 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: Nope? Speed up the process, please introducing Hungry Root to 269 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: the ft fan. 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And do I actually 294 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: do the ad the library? 295 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: I did? 296 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: Was it executed? 297 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: Well? 298 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: No? Not so much whatever? 299 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: Not mid season form? 300 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: No very. I'm very much like ramping up like like softime. 301 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: You there we go, all right? 302 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: Did I sell predictions wrong? Oh? No, I sell predictions wrong. 303 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: Hold on, we're just we're gonna hide it your initial 304 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: spring prediction, Trevor, I have a couple, but I'm inntioned 305 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: to see, like your big storyline coming into pictures and Catchers, 306 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: what is it. 307 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: Big storyline coming into pictures and catchers for me? I 308 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: mean a bullpen guy obviously, you know, closer for the Cardinals. 309 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: And and so when I look at the bullpen, I 310 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: like the flexibility, I like the options. I think I 311 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: don't I'm not really too concerned about what they what 312 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: they have in the bullpen, especially coming off of last 313 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: year Sean bullpen lost a couple of guys, but we 314 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: still have Hellsley. We still have some guys that are 315 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: gonna be anchors out there, and if not, there's options, 316 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: so we can we can shuffle guys in and out. 317 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: The The interesting thing for me on the specific specifically 318 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: on the pitching side, is the starting pitching just to 319 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: see what the strategy ends up being. I know it's 320 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: going to take a few weeks as we get into 321 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: the games for guys to get stretched out, but just 322 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: to see what that strategy ends up being or No, 323 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: there's people that have talked about six man rotation. We've 324 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: talked about who's going to beat in the rotation. We 325 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: know we have Sonny Gray. We know we have we 326 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: have Eric Favetti, Miles Michaelas and uh, you know the 327 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: few others. But yeah, I'm interested. I think the starting 328 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: rotation is for me, is going to be the most 329 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: interesting storyline as we go through these first couple of 330 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: weeks since bring training. 331 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: I think so too. It's certainly going to be something 332 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: that I'm looking at because we've talked a lot about 333 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: the youth we went, but that's a pretty better and 334 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: heavy rotation. I mean, you named the big three, right, 335 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: Sonny Gray, Eric Fveetti, Miles Michaelis, and I think Sonny 336 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: Gray is your ace. That's always a good sign, right. 337 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: I feel like the Cardinals feel very confident with him. 338 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: As their number one. I have no idea how the 339 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: rest of the pitches are going to slot in. I 340 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: have no idea where Steven Matts is going to be, 341 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: where Andre Pimonte is going to be, if Michael McGreevy 342 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: is going to slide in there. And for the first 343 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: time in a while, there are there are like six 344 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: I would call them Plan A options, and there are 345 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: a ton of Plan b's that could easily make their 346 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: way in. So you're thinking Matthew Liberatory, you're thinking Zach Thompson. 347 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't quite put Quinn Matthew's on that list just 348 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: because you know there's no real need to rush in. 349 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: But he has a great spring, and you know anything 350 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: can happen. I just I'm cautious, right because there's never 351 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: a spring no matter what team you are. Where all 352 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: seven of your projected starting pictures, you know, the five 353 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: that you think are going to come in and the 354 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: two you have in for emergencies leave healthy. So you 355 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: know death is going to get tested at your rotation 356 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: at some point for the first time. I think the 357 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: Cardinals have knock on Wood a good amount of depth 358 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: to cover them if God forbid, an injury does happen. 359 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Miles Michaelis is a guy that I'm interested to see 360 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: how he shows up to Spring. We know the last 361 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: two years did not go well. After his All Star 362 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: came in twenty twenty two. He's on the final year 363 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: of his contract and I had fans for the most part, 364 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: are just like, why why is he back in the rotation? 365 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: We know what he is. Correct, It's not been a 366 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: good two years from production wise, but there is a 367 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: durability standpoint about Miles Michaelis that I think is so undervalued. 368 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: You know, this is a picture being able to take 369 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: the ball every five days or whenever you need it 370 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: and then post, which is what he does. That's going 371 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: to go wonders for a team that could be relying 372 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: on some unproven talent like the mcgreevi's of the world. 373 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: You know, Polante has proven himself to an extent, but 374 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: he's certainly not going to be able to log the 375 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: amount of innings that we saw Miles Michaelis, Kyle Gibson 376 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: do last year. Sonny Gray, we talked about being an ace. 377 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: He's not necessarily one that goes super deep into games 378 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: all of the time. He's usually like your six innings 379 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: quality start gett him out of there. So I understand 380 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: opening the season with a proven veteran that can throw six, 381 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: seven eight innings each start, certainly like the quality of 382 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: those innings to be a little bit better. And that's 383 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 1: why I think Miles the spring is so important. They 384 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: can see that if that quality doesn't means will indeed 385 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: turn around. 386 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like I said, like with the scene, 387 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: with the strategy, is with with really getting our first 388 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: look at what this new new regime is going to 389 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: be focused on. You saw you mentioned that you saw 390 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: a lot of new faces in the in the building, Uh, 391 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: just in the past twenty four hours. But that's what 392 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be interested to see. Is you know got 393 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: you mentioned Mike Michael, Mike Miles michaelis what happens when 394 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: he's not when he's not able to post, what happens 395 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: when you know, aside from injuries, the performance isn't there 396 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: for one of these guys. How is the front office 397 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: going to approach that, what's going to be their strategy? 398 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: How are they going to get creative? I think there's 399 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: a lot of room for creativity. I think we're going 400 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: to get a glimpse of what the future for Saint 401 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 2: Louis and the Saint Louis Cardinals organization looks like under 402 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: him and Bloom And so hopefully we get an idea 403 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: here in spring. And I, like I said, it's hard 404 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: because it takes a few weeks, and it's really not 405 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 2: until we get into the season and maybe a couple 406 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: of weeks into the season where we see some bullpen rolls, 407 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: where we see what the starting pitching is going to 408 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: look like once these guys are going into the sixth 409 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: and seventh inning. But yeah, I'm interested just to see 410 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: what this new strategy, what their focus is going to be, 411 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 2: and how they're going to be able to create wins. 412 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: And I know as fans, we're all looking forward to 413 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: that an organization that has done a good job of 414 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: winning and we've been disappointed the last couple of years. 415 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: But we're still just on the by a hair on 416 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: the winning side of a one hundred and sixty two 417 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: game season. So you know, I don't think we have 418 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: an opportunity to improve on that. But the floor for 419 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Cardinals has always been pretty high. 420 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look again, it was an eighty three win 421 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: team last year, they had a great bullpen. The majority 422 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: of that roster minus Paul Golschman Andrew Kuntrid is coming back. 423 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the bullpen, because I think that's 424 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: so fascinating. We've got they got Helsley, Brian Helsey, who 425 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: by the way, is still rocking that stash. We'll see 426 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: how long that lasts. And you already know he's going 427 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: to be a closer in the ninth inning. The Cardinals 428 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: to shape the rest of their bullpen I think is 429 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: up in the air. To me, it's the most wide 430 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: open competition of camp and well, I know that they 431 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: were contemplating signing a veteran reliever to kind of shot 432 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: up those Indians. They didn't do that. We talked about 433 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: maybe Stephen Mattz being an option there. I think there's 434 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: a way the Cardinals can and make this, you know, 435 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: to be clear, do a good job in this of 436 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: filling their rotation entirely internally either their bullpen, excuse me, 437 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: and having that bullpen still be very effective comparative to 438 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: last year. Because now I don't want to diminish the 439 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: loss of Pittridge. That's that's huge. He was invaluable as 440 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: the setup man, you have Jojo Romero from the left side. 441 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: I thought Ryan Fernandez and his rookie year was really impressive. 442 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: He took some major strides, especially in the second half. 443 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: As a rule five guy, you've got to you know, 444 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: you can't get sent down because then you're gonna get 445 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: you risk being returned to your club. You have to 446 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: find a way to stay in the majors and produce. 447 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: And he did that and even got some high leverage 448 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: stuff in August and September as the Cardinals kind of 449 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: branched away from competing and looked more towards the transition year, 450 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: and he did pretty well. Matthew Libertore said, will be 451 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: stretched out as a starter, but that's pretty common practice. 452 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: You want pitching death early in spring because there are 453 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: just so many games and so many Indians to cover, 454 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: and not everyone is ramped up obviously to go six 455 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: right out the gate. But he's one of those players 456 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: that if you know, you build him up and you 457 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: can easily bring him back to two three Indians, that's, 458 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, a no brainer. Who else, though, can fill that. 459 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm looking at guys like Gordon Grisepo, who, by the way, 460 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: will be a guest on Cardinal Territory, Trevor. I forgot 461 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: to tell you that, but that's next week. So we're 462 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: very excited for Gordon and there's a bunch of NRI guys. 463 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: Nick Anderson he interests me. He is signed to a 464 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: non roster invite. Most recently pitched for the Royals. He 465 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: was a dude for the race back in twenty nineteen. 466 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: Can one of those guys step up? I love the 467 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: first week because you go when you go to the 468 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: backfields and guys are throwing, you know, three four bullpens 469 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: at a time, and you're just watching and you can 470 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: tell by the pitching coaches and the instructors who's throwing well. 471 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: Who's surprising. Last year was Riley O'Brien who just lit 472 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: up track man, lit up their analytics and there was 473 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: a buzz about him for like three straight days because 474 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: they thought they found something. Now, obviously Riley had a 475 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: tough season, he spent most of it hurt, but he's back. 476 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: And every year there's a name that we're not thinking 477 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: of that forces themselves on the scene. And we're gonna 478 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: find out that name in the next couple of days. 479 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: So I'm excited about it. 480 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: Let's go. That was trentor Rosenthal back in the day, 481 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: bursting on the scene, creating a buzz. But you're right. 482 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna be in the thick of it, Katie. 483 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: You're gonna get an idea of who they're excited about. 484 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: And it really is all about first impressions. If I'm 485 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: a Gordon gricefo if I'm a Nick Anderson, even Quinn 486 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 2: Matthews for all purpose sake, I mean, if you come 487 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: in and you create that buzz and you ride the way, 488 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: build some momentum, who knows, they could get real interesting 489 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: as the team gets ready to break camp, and I'm 490 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: all for one of these guys getting a crack at 491 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 2: the roster that we didn't necessarily expect. 492 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: Quinn Matthews, quirky dude, great talent. This happened for the 493 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: first time ever today. I'm walking to the backfields and 494 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: I've walked past field one and Quinn's playing catch And 495 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: I've never had a player stop what they're doing playing 496 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: catch and turn around and talk to me and be like, hey, 497 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: how are you? 498 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 2: What's going on? 499 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: Is how was your Springmen? Like okay, you know, pictures 500 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: and players are so locked in but he was so casual. 501 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: He's to me a total pitcher, you know what I mean? 502 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: Left hand? 503 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, You're a total left handed pitcher. And I just 504 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: think the excitement around him is deserved. The hype is deserved. 505 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: It's been a while since the Cardinals really had a 506 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: solidified homegrown pitching prospect. I think the last one that 507 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: I think the organization was really excited about was Jack Flaherty. 508 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: Could that be Quin Matthews this year? We will find out, Trevor. 509 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: Is there anything else any player that you are excited 510 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: to see doesn't necessarily have to be a picture, but 511 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: we can stick to the theme. But just one that 512 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: you feel is like, hey, this is a big year 513 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: for him. What are you looking for early on? Anyone 514 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: that anyone in particular. 515 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a big year for a 516 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: lot of these guys. I think a lot of guys 517 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: coming off of last season. We saw it at winner 518 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: warm up. They feel like there's something to prove. They 519 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: want to they want to re establish what the Saint 520 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals are all about. And the theme of the 521 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: young guys or whatever it might be. I think everybody 522 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: has their own own storyline. You mentioned Riley O'Brien. So 523 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: he's a guy I wasn't aware until you just said 524 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 2: it that he the team was excited about his analytics 525 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: and and how he you know, lit up the track 526 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: man last spring training. But this offseason, I've you know, 527 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: watching some video guys that I wasn't familiar with. He 528 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: was one that stood out, and unfortunate with the injuries, 529 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: but I think, you know, he's a guy that I'm 530 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: going to be paying attention to if this organization can 531 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: find a way to keep him healthy, help him maximize 532 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: those analytics. I mean, we know in this game analytics 533 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: are are really important, and that's how you can find 534 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: a diamond in the rough and maybe not necessarily a 535 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: guy that's posted and put up a bunch of numbers, 536 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: but if we can find a way to get him 537 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: on the field and use those analytics to advantage, there 538 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: might be something there. There might be and not necessarily 539 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 2: next Ryan Helsley, but he might be a guy that 540 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: really helps out this bullpen in twenty twenty five. So 541 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 2: that's for me. What about you, Katie. I know Jordan Walker. 542 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: I saw him today. He was at the complex early. 543 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: A bunch of guys have been here early. You know, 544 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to Herrera because we know 545 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: about the Cardinals and their offensive shoes last year. If 546 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: Saint Louis trades Arnatto other than Wilson Contreras and Jordan Walker, 547 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: if he figures it out offensively, you're really missing a 548 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: right handed bat with thump, and that could be Evan 549 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: Herrera because he's kind of a bat first catcher. And 550 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: the only reason I say that is because his drawing 551 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: last season really diminished his defensive value. But he can hit, 552 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: he can break, he has power, He's relatively fast for 553 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: a catcher. If he can find a way to, you know, 554 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: have a more accurate arm to cut down the run 555 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: game on opposing base runners, I think he has an 556 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: edge over Pedro. Pa has to be the starting now. Again, 557 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals have necessarily committed to who 558 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: they have like in their minds as catcher A and 559 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: catcher B. They could platoon. But it's a big spring 560 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: for Herrera, who again looks felt so confident about his arm, 561 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: was really excited to talk about some of the changes 562 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: that he made. It could be a big spring for him, 563 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: and I think he has a chance to run away 564 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: with the starting job because they certainly need his bat, 565 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: especially if Arnatto is not in a cardinal's uniform. 566 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: Come up in your day, I agree, and we're going 567 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: to be singing the praises of drive line if depending 568 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: on this strowing or how do you look? 569 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: How do you? 570 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: How is this stowing today? 571 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: So he uh through nine total times, three times third, 572 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: three times a second, three times to first. I worked 573 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: very hard today, as you could tell the throws a 574 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: second there's significant more pop. I felt like they were, 575 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, the ones to third and first. It's hard 576 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: to draw sample size off just nine throws, but the 577 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: ones the second were much more accurate. And again, you know, 578 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: you don't want to overdo it on the very first day. 579 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: But he was pretty excited about it. So I'm going 580 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: to go and talk to uh more people, assuming they 581 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: run away from me, and try to figure out a 582 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: little bit more about Herrera and the changes he made 583 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: him what they want to see. But I can't even 584 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: begin to tell you how excited the organization is and 585 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: having a catching coordinator. They have not had one since 586 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: the Audio A. Molina days because you didn't need one. 587 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: But this hire is long overdue. Here Here's how I'm 588 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: going to leave our loyal listeners of Cardinal territory. I'm 589 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: going to leave you with some words of wisdom. If 590 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: you're looking for a reason to be optimistic about this 591 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five team. I'm not going to sit here 592 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you know, you never know, they 593 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: could win ninety games, they could surprise some people. I'm 594 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: not going to hit you with all the cliches. I 595 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: am going with what I think is true. This twenty 596 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: twenty five season has the opportunity for the next Cardinal's 597 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: cores to start to form. And if you're not quite 598 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: sold that the twenty twenty five roster in itself can 599 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: win this year, I don't blame you. I am going 600 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: to try to convince you that some pieces here can win, 601 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: and at the bare minimum, the pieces that excel here 602 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: will be a part of what, you know, the next 603 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: Memphis Mafia or the next Cardinals team that I think 604 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: would really embody what Saint Louis Baseball is about. And 605 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: I asked this question a couple of times to guys 606 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: that want and warm up like you will have the 607 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to be the next face of the Cardinals, right 608 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: like if you're Mason Winn, Brendan Donovan, Lars Mubart, Jordan Walker, 609 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: go down the list. This is your chance to start 610 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: being a part of that mission. And if you know, again, 611 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: if you're not necessarily sold on the roster, the coaching staff, 612 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: the front office, can you at least be sold on 613 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: some of these players and their futures. I think that's 614 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: something to look forward to. And I don't know if 615 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: it's me excited just just thinking about how we could 616 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: be witnessing the beginning of something new. And I know 617 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: it's better rough two years in Saint Louis. I know 618 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: maybe that this Pitches and Catchers day might feel a 619 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: little different to others. I get it, But we do 620 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: have the opportunity of maybe seeing the next Core start 621 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: to come to Fruition this year, and so that's different 622 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: and different doesn't always have to be bad. 623 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: And speaking of Core, you you know, we're excited about 624 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: the catching coordinator, We're excited about what seems to have 625 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: a positive impact with the with the new hitting coach. 626 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: But court we have Daniel Descalzo, John Jay and a 627 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: special guest instructor with David Freese. Those three guys, that's 628 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: a that's to me really strong, three strong core guys 629 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 2: of what the Saint Louis Cardinals are. So you you 630 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: mix that positive influence with some of this impressionable young talent. 631 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I mean, there's there's a real 632 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: opportunity for us to see this core really emerge. And 633 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: I'm in the bucket of like, let's let's definitely surprise 634 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: when people. Let's have a good year, Like let's win 635 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: that makes everything, that makes all the problems go away 636 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Winning is good, but 637 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see kind of behind the scenes and 638 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: what I'm a big fan of Descalza, Jay Freeze, you know, 639 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: Olie Marmele, He's been a lifelong Cardinal. The impact that 640 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: they have on these younger players is I think is 641 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: going to be really special and very meaning for the 642 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: next step that these guys are able to take. So 643 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: I'm right there with you, Katie. It's something to be 644 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: excited about. 645 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: And you're spot on because if you're looking for a 646 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: core that knows how to you know, be homegrown and win, 647 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: you're looking at guys like Daniel Discuss of John Jay, 648 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: David Freeze. They certainly know how to do it, and they, 649 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: in my opinion, you are exactly right, are the guys 650 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: to help instill this new wave. So we will get 651 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: to see that in action as early as tomorrow. There 652 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: will be Willpens throw on tomorrow, Trevor, there will be 653 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: baseball to an extent. Every single picture should be here 654 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and we'll hear again from John mozeylak On 655 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: Olie Marmle, and then this thing will start to feel real. 656 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: H Yeah, we made it, guys. Winter is over unless 657 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: you're in Saint Louis and it's still snowing. I'm just 658 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: gonna rub it in. Sorry you should, Yeah, I'm going 659 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: to all right, Are you ready for Trevor? Are you 660 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: ready for the baseball? Yeah? 661 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: You're my boots on. I'm gonna be calling you tomorrow 662 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: about three o'clock. How the boys? Look? What's going on on? 663 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: Where the mits popping? You're the boots on the ground, Katie, 664 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: And you know, maybe not maybe flip flops boots, maybe 665 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: if you were in Saint Louis with all the pedestrians. 666 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: But you're the high life down in Jupiter, Florida, the 667 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: palm trees, the beach. 668 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: Yes, And which is where I'm headed next hopefully it's 669 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: still happy hour. Well it's only two thirty right now, 670 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: that twenty of time I'm chilling for Trevor Rosenthal. I'm Katie. Well, 671 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: welcome back to baseball season you guys. We've made it. 672 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to sharing it with you, Trevor and 673 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: to our listeners and subscribers. So we'll be back with 674 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: you at the end of the week with an update. 675 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: Stay tuned and lock in, guys. Baseball season is back. 676 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you on a plus