Speaker 1: This is a me eater podcast coming at you shirtless,
Speaker 1: severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast.
Speaker 1: You can't predict anything. Whatever state you guys are from.
Speaker 1: Are you from the west or east side of the state? West?
Speaker 1: West side? Where I'm from, like where I grew up?
Speaker 1: The state you were born? And I don't even care
Speaker 1: what it is east the east and you were born
Speaker 1: no kind of you're right dead nuts. No, we're not
Speaker 1: not even kind of. So you think you're West Michigan.
Speaker 1: Southwest Michigan. Yeah, that's what we call it. I'm not
Speaker 1: tew talking about. I'm not talking about I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about latitude. Sure, but when someone says where is Countazoo Michigan,
Speaker 1: I say Southwest Michigan. I don't know about that. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, get a map out. Oh I know where
Speaker 1: it is. I just don't know if it has the
Speaker 1: West Michigan sensibility. The reason I bringing this up is
Speaker 1: because now we talked about how you guys didn't grow
Speaker 1: up flipping off your buddies as a way to say hi. No, okay,
Speaker 1: because hear me out. Have you ever met anybody else's
Speaker 1: said check out, check this out? What brought up the
Speaker 1: conversation about the Michigan hello, which is the middle finger
Speaker 1: is we're talking about the Some guy was saying, man,
Speaker 1: you should like it's bad to say mugs. And this
Speaker 1: guy had to be Australian because we just use mugs
Speaker 1: like hey friend, you know friend. Oh, Um, it's more
Speaker 1: like hey friend. Oh where it's like friend with a
Speaker 1: little little chab in there. Um you say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: horrible thing to say. And so we're looking up like
Speaker 1: what mugs means in different places. I think it means
Speaker 1: something kind of awful in Australia. And in this discussion,
Speaker 1: one guy wrote in to say that man, I would
Speaker 1: never take any advice from people in Australia and Australia
Speaker 1: they call their their Michigan hello or they're mugs. Is
Speaker 1: to call everybody the Queen Mother of all swear words,
Speaker 1: the sea word. That's right. One day my little boy
Speaker 1: made a list of all the naughty words he knew.
Speaker 1: He's public school kid, made a list on a board
Speaker 1: on a plank out in the garage with a sharpie,
Speaker 1: a list of all the naughty words you knew. And
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, you almost got them off,
Speaker 1: but there's one I will never tell you. I'm dying
Speaker 1: to know what it is. He even knows what letter
Speaker 1: it starts with, but I will I will never divulge.
Speaker 1: They use that word as a salutation. So this other
Speaker 1: guy was saying, Plus, you know, he brought up like
Speaker 1: swearing allegiance to the crown. He brought up all kinds
Speaker 1: of reasons why he wouldn't take advice from an Australian
Speaker 1: about how to speak to people. But and talking about
Speaker 1: the middle finger. It turns out that we get a
Speaker 1: letter from a guy who cleared like just without any
Speaker 1: prompt and clarified that he's from western Wisconsin. And then
Speaker 1: we got a guy who wrote in about the middle finger,
Speaker 1: and he clarified these from Western Wyoming. So I was
Speaker 1: wondering if in every state there's this weird phenomena where
Speaker 1: in every phenomenon where in every state people that live
Speaker 1: in the west half of that state flip people flip
Speaker 1: their friends off as a way to say hi. This
Speaker 1: guy in western Wisconsin that was so prevalent. He said
Speaker 1: that if his buddy didn't flip him off when he's
Speaker 1: driving by, he thinks something was wrong. It was pretty
Speaker 1: prevalent the guy must be mad at him. Yeah, Western Washington.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it was just my jackass friends, but
Speaker 1: I feel like that was completely ubiquitous. Yeah. Another thing
Speaker 1: about the bird. The guy from Western Wyoming said, we
Speaker 1: really differentiated between putting your thumb out or not, and
Speaker 1: like you might put your thumb out and give the
Speaker 1: bird to your body and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: the exclamation point on it. Yeah, it was like it
Speaker 1: meant something different. He said, It's like the old man bird,
Speaker 1: which had your thumb in. He was saying he got
Speaker 1: in the habit of doing it so much that one
Speaker 1: day he flipped this old man off and it's ma
Speaker 1: whooped him. So she wasn't she was from the eastern
Speaker 1: part of her state. I didn't realize. Uh. Guy rode
Speaker 1: in this is this is kind of like it's kind
Speaker 1: of a moot point now. But a dude wrote in
Speaker 1: being like man Um he's talking about Secretary Zinkie leaving,
Speaker 1: leaving his position, and he's saying, oh, you know, you
Speaker 1: never got it right, and you handled Zinky with kids gloves.
Speaker 1: I don't want to dwell on this. I'm just gonna say, dude,
Speaker 1: wait and see his replacement. And then come tell me
Speaker 1: that I handled zinky with kids gloves. You'll be looking
Speaker 1: back at the good old days real soon. Perhaps, Um
Speaker 1: guy rode in to say that this year, no then
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, remember talking about you don't even talking a
Speaker 1: lot about whether people can actually like tell how old
Speaker 1: bucks are mm hmm and letting bucks walk and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. When we're talking with Mark Kenyon,
Speaker 1: he wrote in that, Um, we're talking about like it
Speaker 1: like growing up in Michigan, like no one ever shot
Speaker 1: everybody always just shot spikes and four keys every buck.
Speaker 1: What are you saying, like in Mississippi, it's he says,
Speaker 1: it's a different He's been a different situation down there.
Speaker 1: This is the old day that this is two fifteen
Speaker 1: in Mississippi. Seventy four percent of the bucks killed in
Speaker 1: Mississippi were aged. Was like, that's not you guessing they
Speaker 1: were aged at three and a half years and older.
Speaker 1: Four per cent of the bucks for you numb schools.
Speaker 1: Three quarters of the almost three quarters of the bucks
Speaker 1: in Mississippi three and it are like borderline like mature
Speaker 1: bucks three and a half and older. Dude, man, that's
Speaker 1: like a way different than a lot of places. Changing
Speaker 1: all the time. Well we think it's way different, But
Speaker 1: do we have that kind of data from other places?
Speaker 1: I would love to go find it. I would love
Speaker 1: to go find Like when I was a youngster, I
Speaker 1: would love to go find here did I shoot? When
Speaker 1: did I shoot my first buck? Like back in the
Speaker 1: mid eighties, right, I would love to know when I
Speaker 1: was just like a teen, like a young teenager entering
Speaker 1: into my teens. I would love to know. And in
Speaker 1: those in that collection of counties or statewide in general,
Speaker 1: I would say there was seventy I was the opposite.
Speaker 1: I would say it was seventy five. And this is
Speaker 1: just me pulling this out of the out of thin air.
Speaker 1: But a bet se, we're one and a half. We're
Speaker 1: just spike some you know, fok spikes a little six is.
Speaker 1: We thought a big buck was just a year and
Speaker 1: a half old. It had a bigger because they'll throw
Speaker 1: an eight point rack, you know, they'll throw in Michigan eight.
Speaker 1: So we cut that was a big buck. But maybe
Speaker 1: you were being full to then maybe there was basket
Speaker 1: racks sixes and eight that were actually three and a
Speaker 1: half years old. Genetics run into playing those. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, But how can I really defend
Speaker 1: my position because I don't have any the materials out there.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at a sweet collection of maps
Speaker 1: that are Dude sent in. That was um it was
Speaker 1: going back into the niesties forties and showing what parts
Speaker 1: of the state of Michigan were opened and closed for
Speaker 1: deer hunting. Mm hmm. And there was big periods of time,
Speaker 1: like you know, when all the animals got wiped out,
Speaker 1: this big periods of time would we'd only be like
Speaker 1: a little block of the state open, like they'd have
Speaker 1: a deer season. The entire southern third of the state
Speaker 1: would be closed to your hunting, and it would just,
Speaker 1: you know, every year they'd be like it just bounced
Speaker 1: around as they were trying to recover. Dear, you look
Speaker 1: at something very similar in your own lifetime if you
Speaker 1: went and looked at turkey. Yeah, how turkey seasons filled
Speaker 1: in as turkeys were recovered. Uh. Guy roning about this,
Speaker 1: You guys ever hear this that there's a I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is true. He says, there's a cover
Speaker 1: scent that basically functions like vix vapor rub. When you
Speaker 1: were a little kid, with you my rub vix vapor
Speaker 1: vapor rub on your chest. Yeah, so you'd get like
Speaker 1: it's like waffed up. He says, there's a cover cent
Speaker 1: that's like mental and it's just meant to throw off
Speaker 1: a deer's ability to know what's going on. Man, I've
Speaker 1: heard of stuff like that, and I just don't really
Speaker 1: end up giving much credence to pretty much anything. The
Speaker 1: deer roles and he's like, whoa, bro, I can't spell anything.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just like swamping their senses. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something that you haven't heard of this. I've
Speaker 1: heard of all sorts of stuff like that, and I
Speaker 1: don't think I really even register most Most of it
Speaker 1: is that the stuff that's supposed to smell like cookies
Speaker 1: or whatever. No, he said it smells like men. Though
Speaker 1: he's asking me or us right what we think of it.
Speaker 1: I don't even know enough about it. I wish Mark
Speaker 1: Kenny was here, yea one. You know, if you're listening
Speaker 1: right now, send your question to Wired to Hunt. Dude,
Speaker 1: you'll get thirty minutes on like you'll get thirty minutes
Speaker 1: because you'll know about it. I guarantee, I guarantee Kenyon
Speaker 1: to like know about it and have some kind of
Speaker 1: opinion on it. Um. In the ongoing listing and collecting
Speaker 1: of Ship that makes Turkey's Gobble, guy rode in. He
Speaker 1: was out hunting one time, got all six, started puking,
Speaker 1: rolled into dry heaves, and gobbled up a bird dry
Speaker 1: heaving out in the woods. His buddy called. He says,
Speaker 1: his buddy called it and killed it. A train engineer
Speaker 1: says that he can get him to he can get
Speaker 1: him to shot gobble with his train whistle. Says, but
Speaker 1: it's so damn loud you can't hear the birds. But
Speaker 1: he'll see him out in the field, blow the whistle
Speaker 1: and see him stick their neck out and gobble even
Speaker 1: he's up his train engine so dry heaves and train whistles,
Speaker 1: yannice his heart. Here's a good yeah, he gets. I
Speaker 1: only forward you. It's like a very small percentage of
Speaker 1: people concerned about his heart. You're getting good tips off that. Well.
Speaker 1: You know, there was so many after my recent clarification,
Speaker 1: which I felt like I did a good job of saying,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good, folks, But people care about you. I
Speaker 1: know they do. But we got quite a few emails
Speaker 1: being like, oh, man, I know exactly what's wrong with you.
Speaker 1: You better call me or this, that and the other enough.
Speaker 1: So I felt like I might have somehow miscommunicated and
Speaker 1: not giving off the uh, you know, the appearance that
Speaker 1: I'm fine and like I'm doing good. I feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with the situation and so yeah. One of the guys
Speaker 1: that rote in was like, dude, you gotta call me.
Speaker 1: So I did, so I chatted up. I got like
Speaker 1: a you know, like a what do you call when
Speaker 1: you go back? Like a like a check up, um
Speaker 1: follow up from a guy, a doctor out of Great Falls.
Speaker 1: Was it a doctor that called you? Yeah? Oh so
Speaker 1: a doctor said call me yeah, yeah, and doctors because
Speaker 1: I emailed doctors every week where I got a question
Speaker 1: no for sure And it was good because I basically
Speaker 1: ran through everything and he's like, sounds like you're right
Speaker 1: on track, You're you're you know, you've done all the
Speaker 1: tests that I would have recommended, and you you understand
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm glad that you're on the ask
Speaker 1: for in a day. And knowingly I would say is
Speaker 1: that don't wait until you're sixty five to go see
Speaker 1: your cardiologist again. Maybe check in just a little more often. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's nice to have a second opinion. Totally, dude, you
Speaker 1: need to have doctors in your pocket. Man, I'd like
Speaker 1: to have a doctor in each back pocket at all time,
Speaker 1: because because the first of your day, guy wrote in,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know about like I hope
Speaker 1: he's not listen. No, it's fine, he wrote in, and
Speaker 1: he's like, his buddy has to go down some kind
Speaker 1: of emergency and get an m R I. And the
Speaker 1: m R I machine is backed up, okay, so he's
Speaker 1: gotta wait. And some doctors like, hey, long as you're waiting,
Speaker 1: let's do the x ray first to see if there's
Speaker 1: any metals to verify. There's no metals, like they'll because
Speaker 1: you know, the MRIs are magnets that will draw the metals.
Speaker 1: So if you got implants and stuff, they have steel.
Speaker 1: But but and he says that, thank goodness, thank god
Speaker 1: he did the x ray because his body had inadvertently
Speaker 1: swallowed a piece of shot there was residing in his stomach,
Speaker 1: and that that m R I would have drawn shot. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, that's I verified that with my doctor friend
Speaker 1: d D. The doctor I should call D right now.
Speaker 1: So I wrote back and said well, because he said
Speaker 1: it's from eating turkeys. And I'm like, but you were
Speaker 1: using steel shot for turkey. Sure you weren't using like
Speaker 1: copperplated lead, her brass plated lead. They have both, because
Speaker 1: the magnet wouldn't draw unlead then, and then I emailed
Speaker 1: my doctor body d dr D to ask her the
Speaker 1: m r I wouldn't pull like it has to be
Speaker 1: something with iron in it for the magnets to pull it.
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, and that's why it's standard procedure
Speaker 1: to always check people with X rays to make sure
Speaker 1: they don't have any metal. And then the dude rolled
Speaker 1: back and said, yeah, in fact, it was steel. They
Speaker 1: were hunting turks with steel shot. So be pretty interesting
Speaker 1: to have that bea be drawn out of your body?
Speaker 1: Would it would? Now the thing that would worry me? Interesting? Huh?
Speaker 1: I would like it just for the story if it
Speaker 1: got drawn straight out. But let's say it got sucked
Speaker 1: by a magnet. Let's say they put the magnet on
Speaker 1: top of your head, pulled through your body and drew
Speaker 1: it that way. Man, that's not interesting, you know, But
Speaker 1: just a straight shot, just like bounce across every vertebra
Speaker 1: as it runs up your spine and then right through
Speaker 1: your cranium. I don't know how strong the magnet, sorry,
Speaker 1: but I felt that you were just hoping for like
Speaker 1: maybe liver, no man, hope to shut off when you
Speaker 1: started screaming. I don't know how fast it draws that
Speaker 1: thing in. I need to call. The point being, it's
Speaker 1: nice to have doctors you can call up and ask
Speaker 1: good questions to know. Here's another example of that. Uh,
Speaker 1: Steve and I guided a ortopedic surgeon in Colorado. This
Speaker 1: accompanied right, we're doing a fundraiser, that's right, So we
Speaker 1: weren't being paid for this, but yeah, we hunted with him,
Speaker 1: and Uh, I was always wondering what the actual name
Speaker 1: for what I call referred to the pelvit crest on
Speaker 1: a deer, which is like when you kind of break
Speaker 1: open it's back legs and he sliced away to meat,
Speaker 1: and you've got what looks to me very much like
Speaker 1: a crest like piece of bone each side of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you pull it out. And just because I was I
Speaker 1: don't know, I was writing something about that doing that process,
Speaker 1: I thought, well, I might not be calling it the
Speaker 1: right thing, So figured bone guy surgeon. Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: know off the top of his head, but he did
Speaker 1: a little bit of digging and quickly found out that
Speaker 1: it is called the symphysial crest r Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: was right with crest. It's just not Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: is in the pelvic area. So you know, the butt
Speaker 1: crack is called Oh technically, no, I don't the gluteal crease.
Speaker 1: I like that, that makes sense. I like that a
Speaker 1: lot um. It just sounds so less personal than your
Speaker 1: butt crack, right, you guys ought to introduced sales real quick,
Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, and what you do here? Sam Longer,
Speaker 1: an associate editor Meat Eater, and Morgan Mason, same associate
Speaker 1: editor over here, stuff guys, real quick, while you're on it,
Speaker 1: Are you at liberty to talk about what's happening over
Speaker 1: your place tonight? Or no, it'll be long gone by then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you worry that, like my party is gonna
Speaker 1: be crashed? You might not like to talk about stuff
Speaker 1: that's happening at your house. Oh yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that lately too, About how much
Speaker 1: you know, being that you know, we're outing the public
Speaker 1: eye more and more and more, how much of that
Speaker 1: stuff you keep private, but no, I'd love to talk
Speaker 1: about it. It's ah, would you like me to? Sure? Well, man,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have brought it up. We're doing a little
Speaker 1: winter Solstice festivy festival festivities, um, which is gonna involve
Speaker 1: pagan rituals. Yeah, yeah, he's, he's they celebrate pag and stuff.
Speaker 1: But really, I say, the biggest reason we're actually doing this,
Speaker 1: and then my wife's interested in doing it, is that
Speaker 1: is that the tradition of it. So we've done it
Speaker 1: three or four years now, and like whoever's with us
Speaker 1: over the holidays, we sort of it's not always on
Speaker 1: the winter solstice, but even if we're we might do
Speaker 1: this New Year's sometimes because you're kind of celebrating New
Speaker 1: Year's ish type stuff right in the ending of one
Speaker 1: year at the beginning of another. Whether you want to
Speaker 1: do that on the winter solstice when the days started
Speaker 1: becoming longer more logical, Yeah, for sure. The Gregorian is
Speaker 1: how you say that, the Gregorian calendar. It's more logical,
Speaker 1: don't know, because that's just some arbitrary like like New
Speaker 1: Year should be right now exactly. Yeah, either last night
Speaker 1: or tonight. Yeah, it's kind of nice to think about
Speaker 1: that and then when you realize that that, like tomorrow,
Speaker 1: the day is going to be a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: I spent like ten minutes. I spent ten minutes explaining
Speaker 1: this to my kids. But theird thinking is They're like,
Speaker 1: they wanted to be real dramatic, you gotta move. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, it'll be like you know, like every day,
Speaker 1: it'll be like sub a minute, right, And they thought
Speaker 1: from it. I had their hopes up where they thought,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, mos gonna be like hotter and
Speaker 1: balls light out. Tm Oh yeah, that's funny. But and
Speaker 1: you guys in the old days of Lavians, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong here, and the old days of Latvians
Speaker 1: and get a hunk up molten lead and fired into
Speaker 1: a bucket of water. Yeah, and we were thinking about
Speaker 1: doing that too. And I think we've just we just
Speaker 1: sort of ran out of time. Um, I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: still contemplating going and going buy and grabbing some fishing
Speaker 1: bunch of fishing weights. Um, bring a little we smelt
Speaker 1: lead with blowtorches, getting in and huff that it's good
Speaker 1: for your brain. Yeah, totally, you guys. Um, you guys
Speaker 1: tracking what we're saying about about throwing lead into a bucket,
Speaker 1: I am not. You know, in some cultures you take
Speaker 1: a chicken and kill the chicken and lay it's guts out.
Speaker 1: Watch all the guts squirmed, and you can tell the
Speaker 1: future heard of it. Well, Lavian's um. They like, take
Speaker 1: a hunk molten lead and throw into a bucket. Then
Speaker 1: you pull it out of the bucket and you get
Speaker 1: a candle going, and you throw a shadow of your
Speaker 1: lead shape because it makes the fild shape. You throw
Speaker 1: a shadow that off the wall, off a candle. Take
Speaker 1: a gander up there, and then see what's gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody else like we're gonna get eaten by large monster. Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1: It's like seven years and younger. It's usually that. And
Speaker 1: there's always a lot of boats for some reason, Like
Speaker 1: a chunk of melted lettuce has recently been you know,
Speaker 1: reformed into into a solid shape that it the or
Speaker 1: the shadow that it throws is some sort of boat
Speaker 1: like thing because everybody's going on a cruise next year,
Speaker 1: or just be like something. If you predicted for me,
Speaker 1: if I throw my lead and I throw a shadow
Speaker 1: up on the wall, and I look yonder and you
Speaker 1: and I see a boat, and someone said, man, I
Speaker 1: think over the course of the next year, you'll be
Speaker 1: in a boat. I'd be like, I think you're probably right.
Speaker 1: I got a feeling you're right. I went to a
Speaker 1: summer Solstice party at an environmental historians home. He's been
Speaker 1: a guest on this show, Dan Flores, and he had
Speaker 1: the big you don't really have a spot for this.
Speaker 1: He had a sun dial on a rock. Okay, so
Speaker 1: he could, you know, track shadows throughout the year. Is
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And then right at the appropriate time, everyone
Speaker 1: would uh. At the time that he would call, he
Speaker 1: would say that this party was a collection of elite
Speaker 1: He said it was an elite group of hard players,
Speaker 1: meaning an elite group of hard parties, and everybody be
Speaker 1: pretty partied up, and at the appropriate time you would
Speaker 1: all dance like like the sun. The shadow of the
Speaker 1: sun dial throws in a certain directions, so as the
Speaker 1: summer goes on, days get longer, longer, longer, and you
Speaker 1: would dance in a reverse direction of the course that
Speaker 1: the shadow was taking. And everyone, you know, all liquored
Speaker 1: up and everything, and you're all dancing and hooting up, hooping,
Speaker 1: you know, whooping and holler and round the dial for
Speaker 1: quite a long time, and it was like you're collectively
Speaker 1: harnessing your energies in order to send the sun back
Speaker 1: in the direction, reverse the time, send it back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting state of mind. Some results his party.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, it wasn't like he was. I don't
Speaker 1: think people thought that they were like literally reversing the
Speaker 1: course of the sun. But it was a celebration of
Speaker 1: it was it was like it is actually going on
Speaker 1: right there, saying that, like that there's gonna be less
Speaker 1: sun now, and we're sort of going to help that along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's getting too yeah, too much, too much. You
Speaker 1: need to throttle her back a little bit, and so
Speaker 1: you'd send the sun back down. And it was a
Speaker 1: way of anchoring. I think it's just like a nice
Speaker 1: way of anchoring your calendar. Mm hmm, yeah, I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we tonight. Oh you know, there's talking about your heart.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to bring up and go go ahead,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to get so far away from
Speaker 1: your heart that I lose my point. But go ahead
Speaker 1: throwing lead. So we're not gonna throw a lead what
Speaker 1: they call it. We're going to how do you saying
Speaker 1: lab throwing lead or whatever the term would be. I
Speaker 1: think it is. I think it's mess mess good job
Speaker 1: that your pop have the deal where he's like doing
Speaker 1: the signs on the body, like ended up with the
Speaker 1: caribou hun like blessing the rifle. You know that's just
Speaker 1: for kids, you know, Okay, But no, messed spheno. I
Speaker 1: think it's what it's called. I think it's to throw
Speaker 1: a lad messed sphenopen is I thought would be more
Speaker 1: like yeah, like most other latining words kind of sounds
Speaker 1: like that. So what's the process with the lead? You
Speaker 1: boil it down on something and just like have no
Speaker 1: so you just like have like a pot. You got
Speaker 1: a good will that you're not going to use beside
Speaker 1: this and and throwing uh good will. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: keep the crucibles and a Bunsen burner. Um. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just melt it down and then when it's in a
Speaker 1: liquid form, you just take it and hold it right
Speaker 1: over the bucket of cold water. And one one felt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the keys to do it fast and all at once,
Speaker 1: because if you drip it in there, you can imagine
Speaker 1: what you get. That makes sense. You're gonna see boat
Speaker 1: shapes like with all that weight coming down, like how
Speaker 1: the water reacts. But I think people see the water
Speaker 1: and it puts them in the boating frame of mind
Speaker 1: to perhaps. Uh, my old man had all the paraphernalia
Speaker 1: for dealing with lead. Kid was sweet little What is
Speaker 1: that material? It's like cast when it's not like picture
Speaker 1: like it looks. I can't think of the word, but
Speaker 1: it's a you know, like the super heavy cast iron
Speaker 1: things with a little spout on them. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: get like the little tippers and everything, and we go down.
Speaker 1: We had that, We had the we had the molds
Speaker 1: to make your own fishing sinkers. But we'd go down
Speaker 1: and get all of our lead out of the at
Speaker 1: the rifle range down the road. We had a rifle
Speaker 1: range about a mile and a half. We could ride
Speaker 1: our bikes down a role that we dubbed dead dog
Speaker 1: Road because the strangest thing for a long period of
Speaker 1: growing up, you'd look in the ditch off that road
Speaker 1: and would often be able to find dead dogs, like
Speaker 1: we could never solve the mystery, or magazines of a
Speaker 1: certain genre would be like what you'd find in this ditch.
Speaker 1: So we call it like our road to end, and
Speaker 1: the Dead Dog Road to begin, and down Dead Dog
Speaker 1: already go left into the shooting range, and we would
Speaker 1: without doing any kind of things like putting flags up
Speaker 1: and whatnot to notify people that we were down there,
Speaker 1: we would go down with the sand the sifter and
Speaker 1: sift out bullet lead and use that to pour up
Speaker 1: our own sinkers and our sinker mold. But bullet lead
Speaker 1: there's additives in there. So like normally when you bite
Speaker 1: a fishing sinker, um, it's soft. But when you bite
Speaker 1: our sinkers, you would hear your teeth go every time
Speaker 1: because it was all those hardeners in there. Man. It
Speaker 1: was a nasty fishing, rough fad fishing experiment. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was horrible sinkers, horrible stinkers. But we never thought
Speaker 1: to go get tire weights, which most people who want
Speaker 1: to melt some lead up. That's what we always used,
Speaker 1: my dad, and soft lead buzz bombs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Tire weights. Yeah, what's a buzz bomb. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a long kind of diamond shaped casting lure for salmon
Speaker 1: that you can just huck a country mile off the beach.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Because you guys were like Pacific coast. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: we did a lot. You were throwing them for casting
Speaker 1: for salmon, mostly pinks and silvers, but you'd run into
Speaker 1: King's time to time. Yeah, oh man along along the
Speaker 1: west coast of Woody Island where I grew up, when
Speaker 1: the pink salmon run was on, Like you, you could
Speaker 1: go out to certain places and see a thousand people
Speaker 1: stretching for a couple of miles down the beach. Just
Speaker 1: when you threw a bird down the beach, they knew
Speaker 1: you were just saying high. One time, when I was
Speaker 1: doing that, I drilled seagull out of the air with
Speaker 1: a buzz bomb when there was you know, five hundred
Speaker 1: people withinside of me, and they all thought I did
Speaker 1: it on purpose, when the worst thing was like I
Speaker 1: was kind of like seagull coming Biden thinking of and
Speaker 1: you know a million chances did you do it on purpose?
Speaker 1: There's no way you don't bet you a thousand bucks, right,
Speaker 1: there's no way you're But speaking of flipping the birds,
Speaker 1: there are some people who thought that was pretty uh,
Speaker 1: pretty bad idea of me to do, and we thought
Speaker 1: you did it on purpose. But I did it on purpose.
Speaker 1: I had to fight that thing all the way in,
Speaker 1: pin it down, unhook it. It was pretty unpleasant with
Speaker 1: that you hooked. Yeah, you got you tied into him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're calling drag oh yeah. Yeah. It was up
Speaker 1: in the air and then down the water and squawking.
Speaker 1: It's not horrible without an audience, but it probably becomes
Speaker 1: horrible with an audience. Yeah, but worse about it. Well,
Speaker 1: I've I've found throughout the course of my life that
Speaker 1: catching ship on fishing gear that isn't fish is generally unpleasant. Yeah, turtles,
Speaker 1: no one. Yeah, it's never any fun. Never. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: doubt what the Pelican wants. I still need to get
Speaker 1: back to why I brought up your heart. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got off of what we're gonna be doing tonight because
Speaker 1: I just explained the Yeah, winter sols. I'm coming up
Speaker 1: with my boys. My daughter can't come. Oh, you guys
Speaker 1: are coming. That's good to know. I don't think you
Speaker 1: invited me. I think you invited my wife. I invite
Speaker 1: your whole family, but you guys did rs VP. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we know now I'm coming up with two boys.
Speaker 1: All right, we're ready for you. But what we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: Just so everybody knows what Steve will be doing and
Speaker 1: what he was doing on the evening of the twenty one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a bonfire, throwing chicken guts, throwing leads,
Speaker 1: No chicken guts on fire. We're gonna drag a youlgue
Speaker 1: around the house. We're gonna sing some songs. Which how
Speaker 1: do you guys feel about that? My wife thinks that
Speaker 1: Americans in general are very uncomfortable with singing songs in public.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hate it. Increasingly used to be way
Speaker 1: more common, seems like, yeah, like I was just reading
Speaker 1: in the paper some article the day, like Christmas caroling
Speaker 1: is like this thing that used to be it's like kids, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mrs Babcock would organize it. Yeah, it's sure you kind
Speaker 1: of hated it, But I think as you do it more,
Speaker 1: you kind of like realize, you know, the benefits of it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I feel like singing makes you
Speaker 1: feel good when you do it, And it's just interesting
Speaker 1: that Americans really don't like doing it because I always
Speaker 1: sing my song. Yeah, I've sing that all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we sing a lot on Hunt. But no, like when
Speaker 1: my kids have a birthday and there's people over and
Speaker 1: it comes down to sing the birthday song, and there
Speaker 1: was stoked to sing the birthday song. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: the kind of singing I'm talking about. I know what
Speaker 1: you mean, though, it seems like it used to be
Speaker 1: a lot more common now. So we're gonna standing around
Speaker 1: the bonfire saying a few songs, sing some songs while
Speaker 1: we're pulling the yolog around and then the real well
Speaker 1: that's part of the tradition and the whole winter song.
Speaker 1: We're gonna like, you need a team of my oxen
Speaker 1: or what No, you know it'll be. You just had
Speaker 1: your house redone. You're dragging large do it around it,
Speaker 1: around it, you do it three times, you know, to
Speaker 1: basically bless the house and you know, get rid of
Speaker 1: evil spirits and get it ready for the next year.
Speaker 1: A lot of people on that hill, I know, there's
Speaker 1: a we have a we have a corner man. When
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of space where rope, you put
Speaker 1: up a rope people can hold onto. Yeah, little carabineers
Speaker 1: they can clip into every time they come. When that's done,
Speaker 1: you go to the bonfire, and then we have an
Speaker 1: axe and you can either you know, to everybody there
Speaker 1: express in words what you're chopping into the log or
Speaker 1: you can just keep it in your own head. But
Speaker 1: the gist of it is is that you're chopping like
Speaker 1: the shitty things from the prior year, the demons, the dragons, battles,
Speaker 1: the hurdles, negative stuff, whatever, and you're you're chopping it
Speaker 1: into the log, out of your body, into the law.
Speaker 1: And then I don't buy that. And then you pick
Speaker 1: up the law goes into the fire. I feel like
Speaker 1: every guy with a woodstove does that every time each shops.
Speaker 1: He's like, some exactly, how is it that you're chopping
Speaker 1: it into it? I feel like what it should be.
Speaker 1: It's symbolic. I think it should be, did you knock
Speaker 1: a chunk out of the log? The log is your
Speaker 1: you're everything. You come in at a forty five, come
Speaker 1: in at a reverse forty five, knock out a little
Speaker 1: chip that's the right fill that in the fire, Well,
Speaker 1: those chips will be lying there. So if that's how
Speaker 1: you want to do it, you can throw a little
Speaker 1: chip in there for sure. Pretty subjective, subjective on the
Speaker 1: approach on this, like you just have your angle, know
Speaker 1: what you want to do. Yeah, totally, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: some you know, crazy little traditional pagan labby and it'll say, no,
Speaker 1: we're doing it all wrong. But I need to get
Speaker 1: back to you why I brought up your heart. But yeah,
Speaker 1: real quick, you guys would paint those buzz bombs? Huh?
Speaker 1: How would you paint them? Usually bubblegum, pink? What kind
Speaker 1: of paint? I mean, just like rustoleum. I get all
Speaker 1: mail paffer and stuff. Like. I remember, I was into
Speaker 1: powder coating stuff for a while. I can't remember if
Speaker 1: I was doing that for my steel head jigs or
Speaker 1: buzz bombs. I I don't. I don't honestly remember. But
Speaker 1: like hard enamel stuff because you'd be banging it on
Speaker 1: rocks and all sorts of stuff. I paint my own
Speaker 1: hell but jigs, and that's always a let down, man. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it chips off so damn fastalbet it stays good, yeah,
Speaker 1: because then you're you're trying to put glow in the
Speaker 1: dark on their right A lot of times if you're
Speaker 1: just jigging hell but it's good. But as soon as
Speaker 1: you start banging rocks for heal, thet are typically over
Speaker 1: a sandy bottom. As soon as you're like banging rocks
Speaker 1: for lincod Or banging rocks for rock fish. Then you
Speaker 1: pulled up, it's like all that hard work he's got
Speaker 1: like a lead jig again. Yeah, but I also kind
Speaker 1: of like ones that are a little battle scarred. I've
Speaker 1: always I always thought that it needs like a little
Speaker 1: bit of seasoning before something's fishing well, especially with jigs,
Speaker 1: like once it once there's a little bit of chip,
Speaker 1: maybe it makes it, give it a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a realistic pattern or something. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: haven't noticed that. I that's in your head, but once
Speaker 1: in people's head is important. Man, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I used to hate talking with people about hunting gear
Speaker 1: and fishing gear and then they'd like something stupid, and man,
Speaker 1: I think that's stupid and they'd say, well it works
Speaker 1: for me. And I used to not like it, but
Speaker 1: now I understand it and like it. Yeah, I talk
Speaker 1: I talk to people about that all the time, that
Speaker 1: what you're fishing is less about having it right, you know,
Speaker 1: from objective standards, and more what you're confident in. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what I say all the time. With steel head,
Speaker 1: it's like pick up, no, don't pick like the fly
Speaker 1: of that you know, some professional things. You should pick.
Speaker 1: Pick the one that you're confident in, the one that
Speaker 1: you're going to feel like you're fishing well all day,
Speaker 1: feel that like is working for you and and and
Speaker 1: have that sense of find that sense of confidence, and
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna catch you fish, not trying to rely
Speaker 1: on somebody else's expertise. Yeah, like this year, man, because
Speaker 1: this year I try to hold a new kind of
Speaker 1: flutter jig for jig and halibut. And we traditionally always
Speaker 1: us just like classic leadheads, but I mean they're sixteen
Speaker 1: ounce leadheads, right, like just big leadhead with a big
Speaker 1: j hook coming out of it, and on that you
Speaker 1: put you know, like the classic just like you're rigging
Speaker 1: up for small mouth bath, but everything's like way bigger
Speaker 1: than you get, like a ten inch grub body on it,
Speaker 1: not tenants six eight inch grub body on it. And
Speaker 1: that switched to a flutter jig. And at first you're
Speaker 1: fishing it and you're not fishing like you are when
Speaker 1: you're fishing something you love. But then I want to
Speaker 1: on day one, late and late on day one of
Speaker 1: halibut fishing, smack two very nice halibut. Then you should
Speaker 1: see me fishing that jig, then you're playing for keeps. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting up there just jigging jigg It's not like
Speaker 1: you know you're in it because you're like, oh this
Speaker 1: thing works, then you're fishing seriously. So it's self fulfilling, right,
Speaker 1: It definitely is. It takes a while. It takes a
Speaker 1: while to develop that with new patterns, techniques, all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff and some there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I've just never gotten past it. It's like I never
Speaker 1: figured out how to fish. This never worked for me.
Speaker 1: I've got dride boxes full of flies and and lures
Speaker 1: that I tried one time. I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: really feeling it. Never really stuck it out long enough
Speaker 1: to make it work, because sometimes it's just default to
Speaker 1: those things. But then sometimes like that, just like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: that's me. That's me. With any kind of surface bait, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like and I was like, man, service baits,
Speaker 1: Oh there I have a This last spring, I took
Speaker 1: my dad to Wisconsin on a muskie trip and a
Speaker 1: friend had told us to get this this new fancy
Speaker 1: surface bait called the whopper plopper, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's the dumbest name I've ever heard of. And then
Speaker 1: I saw it and I was like, well, that's the
Speaker 1: dumbest looking lure I've ever seen. And it's it's like
Speaker 1: it's like aizarre spook kind of like a like a
Speaker 1: just like a cigar bait. No lip, no nothing, but
Speaker 1: the back end has like a little fin and it
Speaker 1: goes but spinning around and must swimming. Yeah, exactly, real noisy,
Speaker 1: there is like throwing water everywhere, but the wounded ones
Speaker 1: are so I just I just couldn't. I just couldn't
Speaker 1: handle it. But he went and bought five of them,
Speaker 1: of course, and and then first day he landed like
Speaker 1: it's just from a loan from the bank to buy
Speaker 1: five musky plug Yeah, seriously, he got a he got
Speaker 1: a huge smiley on it the first day, and then
Speaker 1: a big muskie on it the second day. And then
Speaker 1: after he caught that his first muskie on this bait
Speaker 1: that I didn't think was gonna work, he busted out
Speaker 1: another lure that I had even less confidence in, called
Speaker 1: the suicide Duckling literally looks like a rubber duckling. These
Speaker 1: guys should get a job naming hot sauce. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: this literally looks like a duckling. It's it's it's fairly fishy.
Speaker 1: It's like head down, looks like a duckling running the way,
Speaker 1: which definitely does make a lot of commotion. It's got
Speaker 1: propellers for the feet and it's got treble hooks sticking
Speaker 1: up all over the play And I was like, you
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. He's like, I bought this. I
Speaker 1: bought this lure. I think it's awesome. I want to
Speaker 1: fish it. And he just loves hair brained ideas for
Speaker 1: different stuff. He fished that thing for ten minutes and
Speaker 1: landed a forty in musky right at the side of
Speaker 1: the boat. Guy can pick lures or he just fishes
Speaker 1: him with comedy. Yeah, I know folks that swear by
Speaker 1: those two. Definitely both both of those things. Man. I
Speaker 1: am completely. I'm completely. Until last summer, Yanni and I
Speaker 1: didn't know. Maybe you did, I don't think you did.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that muskies were also in fashion again.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that there's like fish and Game Agency's
Speaker 1: established him. Well, yeah, because like my grandpa was a
Speaker 1: musky fish and my mom that was my mom's my
Speaker 1: mom's father, maternal grandpa. Uh he liked to fish cropping
Speaker 1: like the fish muski. But he was fishing musky and
Speaker 1: native water right go up in the north Wisconsin and
Speaker 1: stuff and fish musky, um, and that was like his thing.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that they're making all these like
Speaker 1: super breeds and muskies and cutting muskies loose and all
Speaker 1: these lakes, so they weren't traditionally been and always like
Speaker 1: sterile hybrid eized muskies that just get bigger and bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger and never reproduced. And it's like a big
Speaker 1: practices when they're trying to get rid of a car
Speaker 1: per suckers or putting hybridized yeahs, sterile musky exactly because
Speaker 1: they'll they'll create a cool fishery. They get really big,
Speaker 1: but you know they're not gonna breed. They're not gonna like,
Speaker 1: you know, eat themselves out of house and home like
Speaker 1: pike or actual muskies. Were people are tigers all over Montana.
Speaker 1: People get real fired up about catching them. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, we did we fished
Speaker 1: this lake for bluegills called Wolverine Lake, pretty heavy and um,
Speaker 1: they had tiger muskies in there, but they were all dinkers.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, you so much. Moments they
Speaker 1: were gonna Sunday be hogs. You just catch dinker tigers.
Speaker 1: The reason I brought your heart up, guy wrote in
Speaker 1: which is a doctor here? He was talking about your
Speaker 1: an email about your heart. He pointed out that he
Speaker 1: had to take beta blockers. He says that the medication
Speaker 1: has had an interesting and unintended side effect which has
Speaker 1: made him immune debuck fever. Oh, he gets excited about
Speaker 1: seeing dear, but he never gets that feeling like his
Speaker 1: heart is brought ready to jump out of his chest.
Speaker 1: He's got that calm, steady hand because he's taken medications
Speaker 1: specifically meant to prevent tachycardia. Tachycardia. That's right, man, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of listeners jumping on the beta blockers.
Speaker 1: And he says, I'm no super hunter by any means.
Speaker 1: When this buck in the picture below came into view
Speaker 1: in October, how as cool as could be? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I can see that. But quite a few doctors have
Speaker 1: told me and all agreed that beta blockers. Also, the
Speaker 1: young people don't like them because they slow you down
Speaker 1: so much. He's you have there's a look like taking him.
Speaker 1: You just have a constant lethargy. Oh slow you down
Speaker 1: a net way? Yeah, I don't know. Like they take
Speaker 1: the hot the peaks and valleys, they take the peaks
Speaker 1: out of life physically slow you don't. Yeah. So if
Speaker 1: you're if you're hiking a hill, you know, you probably
Speaker 1: had to just because you're heart it's not responding to
Speaker 1: what your body's asking of it, so you had to
Speaker 1: stop more often, you know. Yeah, so you're feeling what
Speaker 1: this guy is saying. No, No, I've yeah, no, I've
Speaker 1: had the beta blocker chat, you know, with anybody I've
Speaker 1: talked to about about taking it. So if you're really
Speaker 1: symptomatic and it's bothering you, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: like that, Like I had an anxiety from having those
Speaker 1: you know, the symptoms, But once I was told that
Speaker 1: there's nothing to worry about, I was able to just
Speaker 1: put it out of my head and when it happens
Speaker 1: now I'm like, Okay, it's fine, and I go back
Speaker 1: to sleep or just go on with my thing. A
Speaker 1: lot of people can't do that. In the anxiety just
Speaker 1: builds and builds and builds, and so they're gonna take
Speaker 1: beta blockers to deal with it. If it was happening
Speaker 1: to me twice a day, I'd probably taking beta blockers
Speaker 1: because he just gets sick of it. Yeah, then just
Speaker 1: get into some kind of hunting where you don't need
Speaker 1: to do a whole lot of walking, but you need
Speaker 1: to do a whole lot of keeping calm. Sounds like, yeah,
Speaker 1: started living in a tree stand. Um guy rolled in talk.
Speaker 1: We remember talking about shooting squirrels, shooting squirrel nats when
Speaker 1: you're a little kid, to try to rustle him out
Speaker 1: or like to try to get him. I like how
Speaker 1: when we were squirrel hunting the other day, your boy
Speaker 1: was like, He's like, I just want to make sure,
Speaker 1: but we can't shoot the squirrel nests right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he like anyone independently. It's nice when someone like independently
Speaker 1: discover something that definitely occurred to him. Why not just
Speaker 1: go ripping a couple of rounds up and each and
Speaker 1: every one of these nests and then time out there
Speaker 1: and have a look. We'll clive up there and see
Speaker 1: what we got. Uh. This guy was saying in something,
Speaker 1: there's states that explicitly state I haven't looked us up.
Speaker 1: He said. The states that explicitly state you cannot shoot
Speaker 1: into a squirrel nest makes sense. Um, he's talking about
Speaker 1: he did it once when he was a kid, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how. You don't know the squirrel flopped
Speaker 1: out or he climbed up and got it out, but
Speaker 1: he took it home to his grandma. His grandma was
Speaker 1: pissed and she was yelling at him. She cooked the
Speaker 1: squirrel still, but she was yelling at him, and she said,
Speaker 1: that's like someone shooting you in your home. Which I
Speaker 1: don't want someone shooting me no matter where I'm at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if they're out on the branch or, is like
Speaker 1: somebody shooting into your yard. And that's all right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh it's chilling. Man. I was outside when
Speaker 1: I got she was asking for it. Um, one last
Speaker 1: thing before we getting some before we're getting some things
Speaker 1: that are more questions and nature. But a guy was
Speaker 1: saying he's got this idea he's come to think of.
Speaker 1: You know, with people, right, you have like you have
Speaker 1: like high class and you know you have class. There's
Speaker 1: a class structure in America, right, It's like blue everybody
Speaker 1: talks about blue collar. UM, affluent. He views deer. He
Speaker 1: thinks that deer he thinks that the deer to live
Speaker 1: on public land or blue collar deer, because I gotta
Speaker 1: put up with all the bullshit man like getting shot at.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, and he said, then there's like the high
Speaker 1: class deer that lived down the private land. Nothing bad
Speaker 1: that what happens to him. I don't know, feeding man
Speaker 1: feeding all manner times through the day. So so is
Speaker 1: it white colored people who are hunting white color deer
Speaker 1: and blue color? He says he's worked this theory up.
Speaker 1: He's running by a few people. Everyone doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: His wife thinks it's stupid if he says, he's still
Speaker 1: trying to work on it. But the basic outline of
Speaker 1: it is there's blue collar deer and they stuck on
Speaker 1: public lane as some merit some merit. I think it's
Speaker 1: born's a warrants mentioned. Yeah, all right, here's one. It's
Speaker 1: not on the big list. I let you guys all
Speaker 1: look at this is a surprise question to you, but
Speaker 1: I think it would be pretty easy. A friend of mine,
Speaker 1: Patrick wrote in, and they they he's al all, he's
Speaker 1: already sent me an email to tell me what happened here,
Speaker 1: and uh so we have with the follow up already
Speaker 1: but at the time when he wrote this, his cousin
Speaker 1: ran into a situation that he had no real knowledge.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if we could weigh him. His cousin
Speaker 1: killed a large dough and they had cold temperatures, so
Speaker 1: he decided just to hang it with a hide on
Speaker 1: and leave it um, probably at home. He didn't say where,
Speaker 1: but he says he hung it and then he got
Speaker 1: to his place to butcher. And so after picking it up,
Speaker 1: and he realized that the face of the deer had
Speaker 1: been slightly chewed on. And I saw the picture and
Speaker 1: it looked like pretty much half of the muzzle had
Speaker 1: been chewed off. So he's got to hang him by
Speaker 1: the hocks. Yeah, he's got to hang him by the gambrel. Okay,
Speaker 1: his cousin thought it was a raccoon. Maybe a possum.
Speaker 1: Could have been a dog kyo, could have been all
Speaker 1: kinds of creators. Really, That's why I'd like to know
Speaker 1: where this is, because if it's in his garage and
Speaker 1: his dogs in the garage, I got it narrowed down.
Speaker 1: It wasn't your ma. It sounds like it was out
Speaker 1: in the woods. And then he brought it back. Now
Speaker 1: as cousin felt that he couldn't eat it because of this,
Speaker 1: because he's dead deer had rabies, because there was a risk,
Speaker 1: possible risk feeding it to his family, and at the
Speaker 1: time he was gonna play on his burying everything and
Speaker 1: returning it back to the earth. He's got a deer,
Speaker 1: got it out, deer hanging, and something choos on his muzzle,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna bury the deer, even even if the
Speaker 1: thing that chewed on his muzzle had y vampire. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the deer's blood isn't circulating. I mean, unless you're planning
Speaker 1: on doing like head cheese with that deer, which like
Speaker 1: most people don't do like there there's absolutely no reason
Speaker 1: that it got chewed on by a rabid animal. Rabies
Speaker 1: is mostly eradicated. The dude looking to get rid of this,
Speaker 1: the dude looking to get rid of a deer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly there is that possibility, but I think you guys
Speaker 1: should to us, it seems like so well, of course,
Speaker 1: but I think to a new hunter you could see
Speaker 1: that and definitely be turned off and wondered like okay,
Speaker 1: which yes, yeah, yeah, because I had a coyote eat
Speaker 1: on a or probably could have been a pack coyotes
Speaker 1: eat on a cow elk one time that was left
Speaker 1: in the woods a little bit too long, and I
Speaker 1: came up to it and was like, I wasn't worried
Speaker 1: about like I was gonna contract something, but I was
Speaker 1: definitely like, what do I do here? How much? How
Speaker 1: much I'm factoring in? I'm putting like heavy emphasis on
Speaker 1: the fact that it's it's it's his muzzle. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Now if he said eight all like eight half of
Speaker 1: each bag ham, I would trim. I would definitely trim
Speaker 1: around that. Yeah. Yeah, that's a different situation. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a sidest point. Yeah. So Patrick
Speaker 1: Patrick had a chat with him and they they who's
Speaker 1: Patrick buddy mine? Yeah, he's given us some of this
Speaker 1: is from within your social circle. That's why you're being
Speaker 1: so oh no, no, no, he's a he's like an
Speaker 1: acquaintance through meat eater. Um. But they came up with
Speaker 1: the solution to can the whole thing, and then by
Speaker 1: pressure cooking it, everybody everybody felt comfortable that there was nothing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you're saying every time up you're like, well, boys,
Speaker 1: this bes rabid, but but I can't. It was it.
Speaker 1: What's what's pressure cooking gonna do different than any other
Speaker 1: kind of cooking? Isn't Listen, it's all in the guy's head, right.
Speaker 1: But he didn't waste the animal. It didn't have to
Speaker 1: go back to the earth. Oh no, God bless him.
Speaker 1: I think he's deer real. I think I think I'm
Speaker 1: I'm happy with the outcome. Okay about you guys, don't
Speaker 1: feel like I wasted your time. No, it's a great question.
Speaker 1: It's a great question. And we get a lot of
Speaker 1: questions with people in situations that I feel are less obvious,
Speaker 1: such as having it's typically coyotes, having coyotes eating hunks
Speaker 1: of your stuff, and then people off and wheed like,
Speaker 1: well what do you do? That? Told the story about
Speaker 1: my brother that had a bear getting messes, situation all up,
Speaker 1: that buried all that mean, buried a bunch of the parts.
Speaker 1: He walked aroun digging it all back up, took down
Speaker 1: to create, gave it a bath, and went home and
Speaker 1: ate it. Yeah, nothing wrong with it, that dude. He anything,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a rabid grizzly bear. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he had he never got a test it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think it crossed his mind. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that takes a little bits of trim
Speaker 1: and puts it in a TopWare container and puts it
Speaker 1: in his microwave for his dog, but it ends up
Speaker 1: putting salt down and eating himself. One for you, one
Speaker 1: for me. Oh yeah, I told you right that he was.
Speaker 1: When we were in the tent that's falling together, he
Speaker 1: was telling me that he felt feels like tender meat
Speaker 1: and tender food is a fad that is going to
Speaker 1: go away. Yeah, well, there are cultures that would agree
Speaker 1: with them, are there. Yeah, don't you remember the chupic
Speaker 1: mm hmm, the chupic eskimo. They were saying that the
Speaker 1: parts they liked are the chewy parts. They talked about
Speaker 1: meat being too tender. Of the caribou, Yeah, they like
Speaker 1: the you know what, like every animal, all the ungulates
Speaker 1: have it, but it's really exaggerated on like moose and
Speaker 1: stuff that. Like there's if you picture something spine like,
Speaker 1: let's let's picture something that's got a real obvious humph
Speaker 1: Like take like a moose, right, and when you got
Speaker 1: the spine and you got the blades that come up
Speaker 1: off the spine, those are called the thoracic processes. When
Speaker 1: you got like an animal like that and you go
Speaker 1: to the highest thorascic process, like on on a buffalo.
Speaker 1: Those things be twenty inches long, you know, moose got
Speaker 1: a big thorastic process. And then off that there's that cable.
Speaker 1: It looks like a yellow cable. Giant tendon that runs
Speaker 1: from that's fixed into those things, runs along the top
Speaker 1: of the neck and basically holds that head up. They're
Speaker 1: talking about, like and to eat that thing. You remember this,
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like you're not paying attention to stuff
Speaker 1: that vainly remember having to converse station about enjoying the
Speaker 1: tougher cuts with those boys. Yeah, like Callahan's throat roast
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, which to chew cuts, um, And there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who like prefer those chewy
Speaker 1: wh who liked that chewy cut. So I think Matt
Speaker 1: could beyond to something, or Matt could have been born
Speaker 1: to the wrong culture. Matt's wife was explaining to me
Speaker 1: how Matt is. He's in his tent. He's in his
Speaker 1: teepy tent with his stove going. He's got like a
Speaker 1: collapsible seek stove and he's in there cleaning up a skull,
Speaker 1: elk skool, just not doing a snowstorm, and all the
Speaker 1: little scrapings that he's cutting off. He just lays it
Speaker 1: flat onto the stove, like no pan, no oil, and
Speaker 1: just lays lays the trunks of meat out onto the
Speaker 1: that's a good idea stove. And then just as he works,
Speaker 1: that's what he has for a snack. You want to
Speaker 1: talk about some tough bits, man, right, Yeah, that's so
Speaker 1: he likes us a lot. He likes a chewy bit.
Speaker 1: I feel that yellow cable has gotta be the chewiest
Speaker 1: thing ever. I wonder if that's something that they're just
Speaker 1: like kind of chewing on the past the time they're
Speaker 1: talking about like and they cook some chewy meat, if
Speaker 1: you remember, because they kind of like boil. They boil,
Speaker 1: but not for long, just boil meat. Yeah, remember that, remember,
Speaker 1: not being real impressed they're like flash boiled meat. Well,
Speaker 1: because they they like to chew. They like to chew,
Speaker 1: they like the cut. Here's a good one. Have you
Speaker 1: noticed the difference in the taste of a fall black
Speaker 1: bearon out of a spring bear? Yes, yeah, a big difference, man.
Speaker 1: And then again it depends on we're gonna rule because
Speaker 1: everything gets squirrely. No, let's keep it open to the
Speaker 1: let's keep it open to nuance. Here if it has
Speaker 1: the access to marine resources, meaning if it's a bear
Speaker 1: eats on salmon and you know, dead seals, it finds
Speaker 1: washed up on the beach and whatnot. Uh, I feel
Speaker 1: that they're better in the spring, especially fall bears that
Speaker 1: are on salmon are There are many, many exceptions. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna people are gonna write it and be like it
Speaker 1: does not true, but they are perceived. Black bears feeding
Speaker 1: on salmon are perceived as being borderline inedible. And in
Speaker 1: those marine areas, when bears in the spring are feeding
Speaker 1: real heavily on vegetation, um, beach dry, you know, various
Speaker 1: things they find and even little crabs and stuff from
Speaker 1: unt of the rocks, they're regarded as being much more
Speaker 1: palatable and better than fall bears. I think that that
Speaker 1: becomes reversed for other reasons when you're talking about bears
Speaker 1: that are not have access to marine resources such as
Speaker 1: salmon runs. Because in the fall, thre eating a lot
Speaker 1: of masks, thre eating a lot of berries, They're putting
Speaker 1: on a good layer of fat. They have very good
Speaker 1: fat for making large, and I think they're better than
Speaker 1: to fall, but I don't I would suggest that doesn't
Speaker 1: vary as much with interior bears, not as much variation,
Speaker 1: because I mean I've eaten I've eaten a number of
Speaker 1: different spring black bears from Montana that were just fabulous,
Speaker 1: couldn't anything. Yeah, there's no off taste in meat, but
Speaker 1: you don't have They're not like his robust and fatty, right,
Speaker 1: and bear fat is good, yeah, but they'll still carry
Speaker 1: a pretty healthy layer of fat sometimes in the spring.
Speaker 1: You see them good and fatty in the spring. So
Speaker 1: I can't think of ever like getting one. You could
Speaker 1: actually render large off in the spring, but the spring
Speaker 1: is a big window too, right. I remember I got
Speaker 1: one on April seventeen, which is early. You can hunt
Speaker 1: him to mid June. In Montana, there's some units and
Speaker 1: then guys up Canada are hunting them into June. By
Speaker 1: that time he's had two months to eat, so you
Speaker 1: can be packing on some weight. Another guy road In says,
Speaker 1: does bear lard go bad? Yeah, large goes bad? Now
Speaker 1: large by definition that you've rendered it right, So you
Speaker 1: gotten the impurities out and you got the water out
Speaker 1: but I wound up just as a test when I
Speaker 1: the animal that I wrote American that kind of like
Speaker 1: the animal I wrote American Buffalo about my book. I
Speaker 1: rendered a bunch of um. He had a real orangey
Speaker 1: fat on them, because they like you know, process the
Speaker 1: caroteen and things and they get like a nice orange,
Speaker 1: yellowy fat in late summer. It's my understanding of how
Speaker 1: that works. And I rendered a bunch of it out
Speaker 1: and made a bunch of basically beef are because that
Speaker 1: fat's good. Oh yeah, that that fat like beef fat,
Speaker 1: not like tallow It's not like venison. It's not like
Speaker 1: the waxy venison fat, which is which varies in it's
Speaker 1: which varies in quality throughout the country in the time
Speaker 1: of year, I believe. But their fat is good, like
Speaker 1: you can leave the fat on and grill it and
Speaker 1: it's good. And I have kind of the same color
Speaker 1: as like duck fat. Yep, oh you know, cool yellowy
Speaker 1: or that yellowy orange like kind of a not great
Speaker 1: looking like you imagine orange that has like a not
Speaker 1: super just yellow orange. Leave it at that. I rendered
Speaker 1: a bunch of it out because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: it on there. Um And I kept one. I liked
Speaker 1: having it so much that I didn't jar it and
Speaker 1: seal at pressure, seal it right now, just kept it
Speaker 1: in the jar. And I must have kept that stuff
Speaker 1: for seven I kept one little pint sized jar just
Speaker 1: for just because I like to have it in my fridge.
Speaker 1: I like looking at it. Um Over time, it was
Speaker 1: like this beautiful color in the beginning, and over time
Speaker 1: it just turned kind of gray, and eventually I thought
Speaker 1: it's some out and it had gone ransom. They had
Speaker 1: gone ransom. And if you leave, that's like one of
Speaker 1: the things like you if you leave. So he's talking
Speaker 1: about bear lard, which has been rendered, But if you
Speaker 1: leave fat on a bear in your freezer, it will
Speaker 1: it will go south on you in your freezer. You
Speaker 1: need to trim that stuff off when you freeze bear meat.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what it is about fat, but
Speaker 1: the salmon fat goes bad. And yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that goes wrong with salmon in the freezer. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that fat in general, you just like most
Speaker 1: freezers aren't keeping it cold enough from preserving. Probably the
Speaker 1: only reason I know that kind of I feel like
Speaker 1: it would work with wild game fat when it does
Speaker 1: work with wild game. Is because an uncle of mine
Speaker 1: uh owns a place where they sell uh dipping dots
Speaker 1: ice cream, I believe is what it's called here about
Speaker 1: that all the time, I don't understand what. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never tried it myself either, but it's it's so high
Speaker 1: and fat. I guess that they had to put in
Speaker 1: when they became a purveyor of this product, they put
Speaker 1: in a freezer. That's the first time said purveyor on
Speaker 1: this show. I guarantee it. I like that that it's
Speaker 1: got to be kept at like minus thirty or something
Speaker 1: instead of just zero like a normal commercial freezer is
Speaker 1: or whatever. And he killed an elp and he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: six years later, still eating on that thing, and I
Speaker 1: swear it was like every bit as good as it was,
Speaker 1: you know, six months after it because he had a
Speaker 1: high class freezer. Yeah, because he felt like it was
Speaker 1: keeping it so cold and his preserving it that much better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those dipping dots are a weird consistency. I could see
Speaker 1: how you maybe have to do something different. He's just
Speaker 1: taken like a one roast per Christmas and that was it.
Speaker 1: Seriously through an elk in six months go ahead or anyone. Um. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: we all decided that this um was a good question,
Speaker 1: and this guy actually prepped his question with I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that it's the question of the century. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: need to hear that. I don't need to hear that,
Speaker 1: because Keith I can tell you that it's not. But
Speaker 1: I thought we're getting a laugh out of the way
Speaker 1: you're presenting it. So he he asks, Let's say you're
Speaker 1: on a budget and God comes down and holds a
Speaker 1: gun near your head. Okay, four forces you to choose
Speaker 1: between high end boots or high end glass, meaning optics.
Speaker 1: I've turned around grab that gun out of his hand
Speaker 1: so fast. But let's just say, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: you're saying. It's not what you're saying. God's not being
Speaker 1: fair with that question. No, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want to black. I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want a blastpheme. But I'll say that, Um,
Speaker 1: I gotta know more. I gotta know what you're up
Speaker 1: to if you're a chucker hunter boots. Good point. Good point.
Speaker 1: Let's say a big game. Let's say Western big game
Speaker 1: optics for me, yeah, I feel like I think, like
Speaker 1: nice boots, but you can you can get it good.
Speaker 1: You can get a good pair of boots for less
Speaker 1: than you couldn't get it really, you know, expensive pair
Speaker 1: of boots. Yeah, you just keep wearing, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: if you had to, you can hunt and bare feet
Speaker 1: and make some mocks sins. Yeah. And the thing is
Speaker 1: too if you get if you buy right on knocks,
Speaker 1: like if you buy like you buy a pair of
Speaker 1: Vortex knocks, you get great knocks. They're not gonna kill
Speaker 1: you on cost. And if your house burns down, they
Speaker 1: replace them as long as you got something to show
Speaker 1: for him. And I still got the lanyard. And even
Speaker 1: the most expensive boots I've ever had in my life,
Speaker 1: they still last me like a season and a half.
Speaker 1: You can't wear out boots and send them in. You
Speaker 1: can wear out knocks and send them in. You can
Speaker 1: with some companies. I sent in a sending a pair
Speaker 1: of last year, and they re rebuilt them for me
Speaker 1: for like thirty bucks. Rebuilt that's true on them. They
Speaker 1: didn't put a new soul on them for me. That
Speaker 1: was like another like hundred and twenty five or something.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, these will just be my pack
Speaker 1: boots and you can send in to get redone, and
Speaker 1: like like White's pack boots, you can send in to
Speaker 1: get redone. These are kind of tracks got you. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you can't a little bit, but not the same way.
Speaker 1: You're not bringing them back. I'm still not giving it
Speaker 1: the fact that it just really depends. But in general,
Speaker 1: let's say, okay, so my life, the way my life
Speaker 1: is like what I do, all the things I do. Man,
Speaker 1: it's really tough because it just really depends. I've said
Speaker 1: a thousand times. I've just's got a gun to your
Speaker 1: head right now. Man, Well that's that's why it doesn't
Speaker 1: like equivocation. Let's go, let's go to last weekend squirrel hunt,
Speaker 1: pretty mellow walk about knocks, Right, you're still going to
Speaker 1: choose that could have been out there and flip flops.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't liked it a little bit, even kind of Morgan,
Speaker 1: you're you're with knocks too. Yep, I'm on the glass. Sorry, Keith,
Speaker 1: good question, but not the best of the SENTI to
Speaker 1: be the question of the century. You're only gonna live,
Speaker 1: like all of us in this room, we'll touch into
Speaker 1: our early eighties. And will die, So that would have
Speaker 1: to be you didn't even get a full century when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done. Generally, he's saying that he
Speaker 1: would have had the so in all your entire life,
Speaker 1: that that would be the best question. Like you're on
Speaker 1: your dying bed, You're you're dying and like someone says,
Speaker 1: you know in all these years, man, like you know
Speaker 1: as you fade out of consciousness, Um, what was the
Speaker 1: what was the best question you've ever heard? Right? Really
Speaker 1: obscure hypothetical. I came up one time and emailed to
Speaker 1: a podcast. It's kind of like the ever debatable question.
Speaker 1: People are expecting him to be like, what's the meaning
Speaker 1: of it all? Or like this is really the end?
Speaker 1: There is it only the beginning? But he'd be like,
Speaker 1: answ your boots. You gotta lean down into his ear
Speaker 1: to hear it, into his mouth to hear it. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's one. Why are some squirrels tougher than others? I
Speaker 1: think its age definitely? Why you? Why are you peeking
Speaker 1: over my area? I want to see what you're working
Speaker 1: off of over there? Why are some squirrels tougher and others?
Speaker 1: Are you getting frustrated with? What's on, He's like, he
Speaker 1: cooks up he was cooking up some buffalo hot legs.
Speaker 1: Kudos to him. He's cooking up some buffalo hot legs
Speaker 1: from the Meatator Fishing Game cookbook available now. And uh
Speaker 1: and he's noticing how some are real, a real bite,
Speaker 1: and some are just phenomenal. And he says it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be related to size. M hmm. I think
Speaker 1: I believe that it's a function of age. Well is
Speaker 1: he is he assumed? Are we assuming that he shot
Speaker 1: all those squirrels and one outing? You know, because if
Speaker 1: if one it was was sitting in the fridge or
Speaker 1: freezer longer could understand why that would have that the
Speaker 1: meat would have aged good idea. We're uh, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna start a thing. Can I talk about this? I
Speaker 1: think so, I don't know what you're talking about. For
Speaker 1: questions like this, for questions like this, where you go
Speaker 1: you get the question, you're like, yeah, there's gotta be
Speaker 1: more to the story. Yeah, Yani is gonna start a
Speaker 1: thing called ask the Eagle where you get where when
Speaker 1: you when you're like, what really happened? Because it'd be
Speaker 1: like someone be like, oh, you know, I was out
Speaker 1: and Um, you know, a guy shot at me and
Speaker 1: I shot at him. Who was right? And be like
Speaker 1: I just gotta have to get him on the phone
Speaker 1: to find out, Like a little more so, this would
Speaker 1: be a good thing to ask the eagle because then
Speaker 1: you can dig in and get him on the phone
Speaker 1: and find out what exactly, because he might not know
Speaker 1: that to ask the right questions. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of factors that go into that kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: can be pretty easily missed. I didn't start to pay
Speaker 1: attention to aging until a couple of years ago. When
Speaker 1: I'm not saying aging age, Yeah, yeah, no, I I agree,
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I'm addressing both. Suppose because like in
Speaker 1: the Scope the A's cookbook lagi q lan Air, he
Speaker 1: says that he only will cook a rabbit if you
Speaker 1: can tear the rabbit's ear like paper. I mean, you
Speaker 1: should just be all grab it like you're ripping paper.
Speaker 1: And after young rabbits look at you know, young cottail
Speaker 1: or hair. When he's dead, you can grab its ear
Speaker 1: and you should be able to go like this and
Speaker 1: you can tear the ear. That's a young rabbit, that
Speaker 1: that is okay to cook. And he could afford to
Speaker 1: be picky. I mean, he's like my brothers would have
Speaker 1: been perfect for that. He was chasing a rabbit around
Speaker 1: a brush pile for like forty five minutes and he
Speaker 1: probably had ten holes in his ear from the brush well,
Speaker 1: no from him shooting at twenty two at it and
Speaker 1: missing him, just hitting his ears, so it was like perforated.
Speaker 1: So then yeah, that he might have had a false positive.
Speaker 1: Just Scoffe mentioned what he did with the rabbits that
Speaker 1: whose ears he couldn't rip, He probably would have ground
Speaker 1: them up and used them for dog food. No, he
Speaker 1: would have ground them up and use them in in
Speaker 1: pattes and to make canals and stuff like that would
Speaker 1: be my guests. But for these, you know, for his
Speaker 1: preparations of like whole muscle preparations, he liked to be
Speaker 1: able to tear the ear and then you knew he
Speaker 1: had a nice tender specimen. I might start doing that,
Speaker 1: and then I'm just gonna turn my other rabbits like
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy did, into rots. It's not a bad idea,
Speaker 1: because man, those were good. Yeah, rabbit brots, white brots,
Speaker 1: fat man, I forgot about those rabbit bros. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: were delicious. Some bitch. We should put that in the cookbook.
Speaker 1: What kind of spices you throw in there? What's a
Speaker 1: flavor profile? Oh? Man, I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: remember off that my head. Oh like just for brots,
Speaker 1: for those like white pepper, corianders, a bunch of things
Speaker 1: you put in brods. Yeah, people put mace in the rocks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that pretty classic beer brody, you know, not Italian
Speaker 1: not you know, there's no spice, you know, mild beer
Speaker 1: brody kind of flavor. What else you got seacon of
Speaker 1: eating wild game? He said? He says, He says it's
Speaker 1: a wild game logistical question. He hasn't found a definitive
Speaker 1: answer too, after a decent amount of research, which is
Speaker 1: so I'm just guessing that nobody's in a blog post
Speaker 1: about it. I have searched high and low. How's he's
Speaker 1: on the library looking up the card You open up
Speaker 1: the card catalog. How much wild game do you think
Speaker 1: it takes to feed a family of four? And then specifically,
Speaker 1: he asked, you, guys, keep track of how many animals
Speaker 1: you and your family eating a given year. It's hard
Speaker 1: to answer, just depends on your habits, right, Like, well,
Speaker 1: let me do for instance, I was having this conversation
Speaker 1: with Brodie. Here you got family of four, very strict
Speaker 1: wild game diet. Brody's got through a coyle, moose, cow,
Speaker 1: elk and a box that's like you know, eating at home,
Speaker 1: and when you're eating at home, you're eating and he
Speaker 1: throws down heavy on game and then a variety of
Speaker 1: small games thrown in. I kind of look at it
Speaker 1: because I could do a lot of, like you know,
Speaker 1: I get to do like a fair bit of It's
Speaker 1: harder for me to answer because we fish a lot
Speaker 1: um small game a lot. But then the other thing
Speaker 1: is is we when we're out, like most of my
Speaker 1: hunting is when we're out filming the TV show. And
Speaker 1: so then we have a crew, and with our crew
Speaker 1: we divide out, so like if we get an elk,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, there's an elk, but then it's it's
Speaker 1: the sixth of an elk or a fourth of an
Speaker 1: elk when we divide out for because we split out
Speaker 1: for the crew, so I never get like an accurate count.
Speaker 1: And then I also get a lot of stuff from
Speaker 1: buddies right where Buddy minal whatever, Buddy min will get
Speaker 1: a wild hell oh you know here here's a pig
Speaker 1: leg and then later I catch some salmon and I'll be, oh,
Speaker 1: bro here's a couple of salmon flays. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I never like look at it in terms of but
Speaker 1: Brody has a good count. But that's that's not extreme,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty that's a lot. Yeah, but it seems
Speaker 1: like a lot. I don't think it is. I know
Speaker 1: that because he's devoted. Yeah, before um, I had kids
Speaker 1: and so it's because kids and met a kind of
Speaker 1: started the same time for me. But prior to that,
Speaker 1: my wife and I would go through to elk no
Speaker 1: problem every year. And it wasn't like, you know, we
Speaker 1: ate elk, but it wasn't like we were trying to
Speaker 1: eat elk five times a week. You know. It's just
Speaker 1: like when we when we ate read meat, that's what
Speaker 1: we ate. But there's no problem to go through to
Speaker 1: two cow elk. It depends on how you're cooking, too,
Speaker 1: because if you get like, if you're sitting high on
Speaker 1: the hog, right, you got a full freezer, which is
Speaker 1: how I look at it. But I just always watching
Speaker 1: my free your levels. But you know, if you're sitting
Speaker 1: pretty you might be doing things you're doing like big rows.
Speaker 1: If you're sitting thin, you might be making like fajitas
Speaker 1: or something right where it. So you take like a
Speaker 1: you could have family five sown and you get one
Speaker 1: pound of like a one pound roll stout and make
Speaker 1: like a dish that has like the nice flavor and
Speaker 1: it's fun and everything, and it's like a wild game dish.
Speaker 1: But it's not like you're sitting down and laying out
Speaker 1: big rolls where people are eating wedges off that thing.
Speaker 1: So just it just depends so much. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've heard like one guy can take down an
Speaker 1: elk throughout the year, like that's kind of the ratio. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's subjective like how you're eating. Absolutely yeah,
Speaker 1: but you yeah, I think that one person who's a
Speaker 1: dedicated wild game eater is puts the elk in the
Speaker 1: freezer and you got, yeah, you got like a with
Speaker 1: that you could probably even have you could be having
Speaker 1: a little breakfast sausage. Now. Then when someone says an
Speaker 1: elk that could be as little as sixty five or
Speaker 1: seventy five pounds of meat, Yeah, exactly, So big variants there. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get better at that. You know who I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask and get and we'll bring this up. There's
Speaker 1: no you can't get better at it. There's no because listen,
Speaker 1: what you could do is by weight. You could very
Speaker 1: easily just be have a scale in the kitchen and
Speaker 1: every time you go to cook, you just, you know,
Speaker 1: weigh it, make a little note somewhere, and at the
Speaker 1: end of the year you tally it up and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, we ate three d pounds elk, thirty
Speaker 1: pounds of turkeys perch flats, like there's two pounds perch
Speaker 1: plays right, write it down there, you go, let's do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be cool man, to have a little list. You
Speaker 1: take it out, weigh it, write it down, and then
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, so we ate seventy some pounds
Speaker 1: of venison, thirteen pounds of perch filets, x pounds of
Speaker 1: catfish pile AT's And then if you wanted to, you
Speaker 1: could take cucumbers, averages all those animals, and then you
Speaker 1: could say I ate roughly x pounds wild game to elk,
Speaker 1: and roughly for turkeys. Yeah, man, because I feel like
Speaker 1: I could amount of stuff I kill. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: mostly cooking for one I could eat while game, breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 1: and dinner every day of the year and still have
Speaker 1: game left over. And then you got like social media
Speaker 1: personalities who there's no you can't account there's no possible
Speaker 1: way to account for all of the stuff they kill,
Speaker 1: and they're like, wow, game bro, Wow, game bro. You
Speaker 1: realize dude, you shot thousands and thousands of pounds of meat.
Speaker 1: Where'd that all go? So yeah, you wind up like
Speaker 1: it's just like I know enough to know when's like
Speaker 1: I don't enough to know when when I see something
Speaker 1: little fish, and then you kind of know enough to
Speaker 1: know when you I don't know nothing but tender lewins.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've had people level that at me, Like
Speaker 1: I last year, I killed a bowl elk elk and
Speaker 1: too mature mule here bucks and that's way more than
Speaker 1: one man can can eat in a year. But I
Speaker 1: went home a couple of times and filled my YETI
Speaker 1: one oh five to the brim and gave it to
Speaker 1: my parents, gave it my cousins, give me an uncle
Speaker 1: and the party with it. Yeah, exactly, smoke something, party
Speaker 1: with some it's some fun thing to do and then
Speaker 1: like do some sharkottery just like kind of like yeah,
Speaker 1: around with some experiments of what you want to do.
Speaker 1: And when I live in Seattle, I practice a lot
Speaker 1: of wild game diplomacy with the people around. But that
Speaker 1: with that kind of thing, I would uh, because I
Speaker 1: lived around a bunch of people that had no connection
Speaker 1: to like this kind of little connection to fishing, like
Speaker 1: absolutely no connection or idea about hunting. And um, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking primarily three, like my three most immediate neighbors, and
Speaker 1: I would bring them a lot, but I would bring
Speaker 1: them not so much sometimes frozen, but I would bring
Speaker 1: them recipe ready stuff, not like you're trying to dump,
Speaker 1: you know, some frozen game bag full of Harry trim
Speaker 1: off on someone's doorstep. But I would bring them like,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, right, it's trimmed. Here's what I would
Speaker 1: suggest you do with it. You know, here's a fish flat.
Speaker 1: I pulled the pin bones and and it was it
Speaker 1: was cool man. So yeah, yeah, I do do a
Speaker 1: lot of I do give and receive a lot of
Speaker 1: uh wild game gifts. But here's another way to approach
Speaker 1: answering it. Let's say you take a turkey. So you
Speaker 1: got you, you're you and your husband, you and your husband,
Speaker 1: you shoot a turkey, and you're gonna cook for you
Speaker 1: and your husband. I think that you have each lobe
Speaker 1: of the breast is a meal or two for you
Speaker 1: and your husband. The two drumsticks, depending if you're like
Speaker 1: if you're let's say you make soup with the two drumsticks.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of meals, a few meals for you
Speaker 1: and your husband, and you smoke up the wing pieces
Speaker 1: and add them to a gumbo or whatever, and there's
Speaker 1: like an additional part for the meal. Or you take
Speaker 1: all of that. You've got a big old time that
Speaker 1: tom ways twenty pounds. You take all that you want
Speaker 1: to make breakfast sausage out of it, you wind up
Speaker 1: with like eight pounds of turkey meat. You cut in
Speaker 1: a substantial amount of pork trim, so you put in
Speaker 1: four pounds of pork trim. You make a twelve pound
Speaker 1: batch of apple turkey breakfast sausage out of the mediator.
Speaker 1: Fishing game cookbooks say um, and then you frap little
Speaker 1: patties for your breakfast and stuff you can you can
Speaker 1: eat it twenty five times. There's lots of great ways
Speaker 1: to stretch it out like that. What's next? You got one?
Speaker 1: You said you gotta listen a mile along. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I want you hit me one of years. I can
Speaker 1: keep going. I'll do one. Lots of questions about this.
Speaker 1: What are those little things around the end of y'all
Speaker 1: shooting irons? That's what he says. Is it tape? Do
Speaker 1: you just shoot through it? Does it affect the bullet?
Speaker 1: Why is it even there? Yes, um, all of the
Speaker 1: above and no. So it's yes. And now I'll start
Speaker 1: with yes. Is yes, it's tape, But it could be
Speaker 1: any number of things. It's like, it's common practice. If
Speaker 1: you're around mud, if you're around a lot of rain,
Speaker 1: especially rain that could become freezing rain, snow that you're
Speaker 1: around snow, Um, you could get things that get into
Speaker 1: that obstruct your barrel by getting into your muzzle. Um,
Speaker 1: And and it's a good idea to keep that stuff out.
Speaker 1: You can keep it out. There's thousands of ways of
Speaker 1: doing this. They make. Some guys will use finger cots,
Speaker 1: which is a little condom looking and prophylactic looking a
Speaker 1: little deally. You know what prophylactic means. It just means
Speaker 1: disease prevention device, something that prevents disease. UM doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean a prophylactic. How we would how you'd use it, Uh,
Speaker 1: put a finger coot over your barrel. I don't like
Speaker 1: those because they break and they seem to get brittle
Speaker 1: when it's super cold out and they just don't last
Speaker 1: that long. Or you can take like a little piece
Speaker 1: of ziplock baggy or anything and place it over the
Speaker 1: muzzle and wrap a piece of medical tape, which is
Speaker 1: what I do quite often over it. Electrical tape. You
Speaker 1: put a piece over it and then put a wrap
Speaker 1: around it to keep it from peeling off. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a thousand things, and it's just to keep junk
Speaker 1: out of there. Yeah. The thing I think people are
Speaker 1: really afraid of that can cause real trouble and injury.
Speaker 1: I've never had a barrel blow up from from and obstruction,
Speaker 1: but the stories you hear would be that you got
Speaker 1: a bunch of wet snow in there, You got a
Speaker 1: bunch of water in there, and then it got cold
Speaker 1: and it froze and and like formed a block ice
Speaker 1: that was like adhered to the walls you know the
Speaker 1: inside of your barrel or you know the inside of
Speaker 1: the bore, and you could potentially blow your gun up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the amount of pressure that can build up in there,
Speaker 1: either that or like a wet mud, like a clay
Speaker 1: mud or something like that. Yeah, the stories you hear
Speaker 1: most or something got in there and froze solid. But
Speaker 1: I've never had it happened. But I just do it
Speaker 1: because why it's so easy to do it, and there's
Speaker 1: no negative, Like why not do it if you're in
Speaker 1: a place that's real wet and nasty. Yeah, And I've
Speaker 1: had I've been asked that this question a number of
Speaker 1: times because I've always my whole life have put electrical
Speaker 1: tape around the barrel of a guy. I mean, my
Speaker 1: dad taught me that when we first went deer hunting.
Speaker 1: So it's always seemed like normalist thing in the world.
Speaker 1: But a lot of friends have asked me about that,
Speaker 1: and people are always what does that mess with your
Speaker 1: bullet flight? Does that slow it down? Like, man, I
Speaker 1: really don't think so, Like you know, rifle blasts and
Speaker 1: muzzle blast, that tape probably gone before the bullet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This last trip poem, I went down and talked to
Speaker 1: a buddy. He's like friend of mine from high school,
Speaker 1: and he turned into a Kansas Highway patrol state like
Speaker 1: swat sniper and I asked him specifically on that, and
Speaker 1: he said that like the gases pushing forward knocks that
Speaker 1: out way in advance to like affect that bullet. There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I've talked to all manner
Speaker 1: of of of high end shooters who would know enough
Speaker 1: to know, and the consensus for sure is that it
Speaker 1: doesn't do it. And it went early on when I
Speaker 1: really first got onto doing that. If I had something heavy,
Speaker 1: like like electrical tape, I would oftentimes if I was
Speaker 1: in the moment of truth, I'd oftentimes catch myself reaching
Speaker 1: out there to peel it off. Just that a little
Speaker 1: bit of nervous. But yeah, I've shot through it many
Speaker 1: many times. Um, I haven't done a lot of I
Speaker 1: haven't done like a rigid round of range testing on
Speaker 1: it to be interesting to do it be interesting, But
Speaker 1: I just there's so many people whose opinion I trust,
Speaker 1: who I've talked to about it, that it's Yanni's got
Speaker 1: opinions by sitting there though so quiet. Um No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can just say that I've tried it at the
Speaker 1: range and I've shot the same size groups shooting through
Speaker 1: tape as I have, you know, just with a without
Speaker 1: tape on my be a fun little video to shoot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, there's people that have done it on the
Speaker 1: old YouTube. Um, but yeah, it's the way to be man,
Speaker 1: keep it protected. Okay, your turn? Uh you boys got you?
Speaker 1: Guys got burned in one year? Yeah, I got one.
Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about. Go for it, Sam, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was looking at this one. This guy says, I
Speaker 1: joined Instagram recently and have already seen a few instances
Speaker 1: of anti would hunter sentiment. Of course, it shouldn't matter
Speaker 1: to an ethical law by any hunter what others think.
Speaker 1: But I was curious what exactly counts as road hunting.
Speaker 1: On the extreme, one could strictly define it as someone
Speaker 1: who drives around all day glassing from the truck or
Speaker 1: a TV, really rarely leaving the car until an animals found.
Speaker 1: Is this actually illegal in some states as a parenthetical clause?
Speaker 1: But there's a spectrum here. I wonder what the where
Speaker 1: the line is typically drawn. Mm hmm, you're gonna start,
Speaker 1: I'll start. I don't give a ship go ahead. This
Speaker 1: is coming from a guy that does a fair bit
Speaker 1: of road hunt, meaning like like he's right, it's hard
Speaker 1: to define if the other day we were out uh
Speaker 1: me and Yanni were oute messing around, and we stopped
Speaker 1: a vehicle, rolled the window down, and we're glass and
Speaker 1: some sandstone outcrops for cotton tales. I mean, let's be straight,
Speaker 1: if we'd have found one, we'd gone after it. So
Speaker 1: it's like, right there, there's a spot I want to
Speaker 1: go check for cotton tails not long from now, and
Speaker 1: my and and and what I'm gonna do before I
Speaker 1: get rolling is I'm gonna go and check a bunch
Speaker 1: of little willow bottoms that I could pretty much look
Speaker 1: out the window to see if they're they're tracked up.
Speaker 1: I keep a window mount and my spotting scope in
Speaker 1: my truck that so if I can just roll down
Speaker 1: the window, mount up to scope and look out, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: But is that scouting or is that hunting? Well? I
Speaker 1: was damn sure hunting all day when I was looking
Speaker 1: for cotton tails on those these outcrops, because if I
Speaker 1: would have found one, I would have got. I would
Speaker 1: have got, we'd have got the kids out and gone
Speaker 1: and one after it, and we'd have glassed it up
Speaker 1: from the rig. I think when people use road hunter
Speaker 1: in a in a negative way, it would be like
Speaker 1: hut the window shooting out like shooting out of which
Speaker 1: is illegal. So it's illegal to shoot out of your truck.
Speaker 1: Depending it's illegal to shoot out of your truck if
Speaker 1: you're on a maintained road, so you can't shoot from
Speaker 1: a cross from the right up from the legal right
Speaker 1: away of roads. So I think when people talk about
Speaker 1: a road like when when if someone uses road hunter negatively,
Speaker 1: I think it's like someone who's hunt plan. Okay, their
Speaker 1: hunt plan is to drive around heater blasting um yeah,
Speaker 1: eating chester fried chicken. They bought the gas station, knocking
Speaker 1: that back, with the plan being that they're gonna find
Speaker 1: something and shoot it from out the truck window. Uh,
Speaker 1: laws be damned. I don't know, Like that's what comes
Speaker 1: to my mind. Well, and there's a lot of Western
Speaker 1: hunters who who don't want to shoot a deer and
Speaker 1: elk more than quarter miles from the road, because how
Speaker 1: the hell else are you going to get back to
Speaker 1: the house and everyone looks like you could be driving
Speaker 1: along um headed to a place that you intend to
Speaker 1: begin walking. I've had this turkey hunt driv into my
Speaker 1: turkey hunting spot. I remember one time I was with
Speaker 1: my late buddy Eric Current and we're driving our turkey
Speaker 1: on spot. We crossed over a drainage and we look
Speaker 1: and see some turkeys. Right. We were actually in the
Speaker 1: truth be told. We were actually had to a place
Speaker 1: we we hunt turkeys in a place where you had
Speaker 1: to you had to to hunt it realistically, you had
Speaker 1: to hike in and sleep out. But it wasn't like
Speaker 1: we like, we see these turkeys and we just pulled
Speaker 1: over once and started to try to work the birds.
Speaker 1: So someone like, oh, there's a bunch of road hunters.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny you mentioned at the moment,
Speaker 1: at the moment you caught me. Sure. A friend of
Speaker 1: my dad's when I was growing up, I remember we
Speaker 1: were turkey hunting in eastern Washington, and I remember him saying, oh,
Speaker 1: even if I saw dirty pound tom from the truck,
Speaker 1: I'd never shoot it. Never. I'd never shoot an animal
Speaker 1: I spotted from the truck. And he spotted from the truck.
Speaker 1: That's because you're not hunting, you're not out on foot.
Speaker 1: And that was just like that was his own, like
Speaker 1: Etho surround would Yeah, I would never block a fella
Speaker 1: from having his own. Everybody sets out there on guardrails, right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I mean I've done that. I've done that too
Speaker 1: my dear camp this year. The first day we drove
Speaker 1: out there, we we saw enough bucks between our campground
Speaker 1: and the trailhead that we all could have tagged out
Speaker 1: in the first hour of the first day, and none
Speaker 1: of us took a shot because we were just getting
Speaker 1: out there. And I was like, Oh, this isn't this
Speaker 1: isn't how we this is how we pictured. It isn't
Speaker 1: the experience we were looking for. So I think that's
Speaker 1: what it comes down to for some people. So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't begrudge folks who, you know, don't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable walking around a lot too back roads in Montana,
Speaker 1: driving around trying to figure out where the deer are
Speaker 1: and then get out and do it, do it right.
Speaker 1: But you know, personally, I like to be a couple
Speaker 1: of miles back with a backpack on glassing and feel
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, engaging with the the environment. The
Speaker 1: other day, we're I was taking my had all three
Speaker 1: of my kids and we were going out to sit
Speaker 1: for white tailed does um and we had a pop
Speaker 1: up blind set up harding for the yards from where
Speaker 1: we could part, and right away we pulled up lo
Speaker 1: and behold out pops from wind row out pops a
Speaker 1: bunch of does in range, and we still got the
Speaker 1: back of the you know, back of the truck open.
Speaker 1: My boy was like very interested in us getting this
Speaker 1: taken care of right here and now, and I didn't
Speaker 1: because it wasn't what I was trying to demonstrate to them.
Speaker 1: We had gone and put up a pop up bland.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the need to be sitting and quietly
Speaker 1: waiting and how all this worked and that that they
Speaker 1: would come out to feed at night and right and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he was pissed. But I
Speaker 1: was like, no, because this isn't like I'm showing you
Speaker 1: a thing, and this is what I'm showing you. I'm
Speaker 1: not showing you this right Um. If it had been
Speaker 1: like the last day of the season and we put
Speaker 1: in our time and we're going back after our last
Speaker 1: morning hunt and out pops them out of the wind
Speaker 1: roll right down the road, it would be It's just
Speaker 1: a different situation. It's like and it's like it's not
Speaker 1: like something that you can explain or or or prescribe
Speaker 1: to another individual and be like Oh no, here's what
Speaker 1: you should and shouldn't do. It's just like it's just
Speaker 1: your eyes just running in your head. Man, should always
Speaker 1: run in your head. Yeah, I always. I always encourage
Speaker 1: people to just you know, try wandering around because I know,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. I mean that's to me, that's what's fun
Speaker 1: about hunting is the exploration aspect of it. And and
Speaker 1: so many, so many people just don't feel like they can,
Speaker 1: you know, know how to break down an animal that
Speaker 1: they can't drag to the truck or or know their
Speaker 1: way to you know, how to figure out how to
Speaker 1: get back to the truck. And yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: understand that, but encourage people to learn and say that
Speaker 1: it might deepen the experience. The other thing about it
Speaker 1: that makes me uncomfortab bull is that different people have
Speaker 1: different abilities, and people have a lot of people have
Speaker 1: pretty serious disabilities. Man. So you were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: road hunters, road hunters, they're no good. It's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, there's a lot of people, I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury man, because of any number of things, age,
Speaker 1: physical condition, disabilities. So it's like I hate to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, to act like oh like the I hate
Speaker 1: to act like there's these like broad condemnations of behavior
Speaker 1: that exists out there when it just is like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like, yeah, I know what's in their heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm supportive of people getting out hunting hard to know
Speaker 1: something in someone and and honestly, like if if there's
Speaker 1: guys doing that, I mean, it's that's not really affecting
Speaker 1: what you're doing. If you're hiking, you know, deep into
Speaker 1: a wilderness area. I mean, if anything, they're proving your
Speaker 1: point that you know, getting far back, getting away from
Speaker 1: the road has been official because a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of people do hunt from the truck. A lot
Speaker 1: of people hunt for the truck who wouldn't even admit
Speaker 1: that they hunt from the truck. So it's a I
Speaker 1: think doesn't doesn't affect me as long as they let
Speaker 1: me get by them. When they're creeping up before a
Speaker 1: service road at five miles an hour thinking they're sneaking
Speaker 1: up on ship, they are. I've seen it. They are
Speaker 1: sneaking up on stuff. Man. It can it can be
Speaker 1: a were a tactic that works. You know, they take
Speaker 1: out like a pres or something that's that's that's silent
Speaker 1: under a certain RPM I don't know. It's like the
Speaker 1: old rancher man that drives like animals, never scared of
Speaker 1: the ranch because the ranch truck just drives all over
Speaker 1: the ranch every day. But yeah, as long as it's legal,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done it. I've done No. I wanted
Speaker 1: to say my fair share, but I dabbled in shooting
Speaker 1: some deer literally out of a truck where it was
Speaker 1: legal to do that, and it and p you're on
Speaker 1: private property. No, and like you said, un maintained you
Speaker 1: know in Nebraska, and um, it was novel at the moment.
Speaker 1: But by the time, like my third dough was dead.
Speaker 1: This is back when they had a booming deer population.
Speaker 1: We had lots of dough tags to phil Um, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: that was enough of that. You know, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: take my rifle for a walk, just out stacking them
Speaker 1: up like cordwood in the back of your truck. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And like the first two evenings it was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I never thought, you know, because I didn't grow up.
Speaker 1: You know, you couldn't do that in Michigan, right, Some
Speaker 1: guys use some guys love to see road hunters because
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, man, you know that are you're gonna
Speaker 1: go there and you're gonna think it's super crowded, but
Speaker 1: it's all road hunters, So don't worry about it, meaning
Speaker 1: that there's still you're gonna It has the appearance of
Speaker 1: being overplayed, but it's not over played because I mean,
Speaker 1: you like hike down in some little spot that's that
Speaker 1: you can't see from the road. That's a big handle,
Speaker 1: that's a big anilo put there like a big thing
Speaker 1: with anilo punt. There's I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who have the mistaken notion because it seems like
Speaker 1: you're in flat open country that feel as though when
Speaker 1: you take gander out across the landscape, they feel like
Speaker 1: they're seeing it and you're just not. There are so
Speaker 1: many dips in pockets, and it's just like you can
Speaker 1: out walk that stuff like I don't care if you
Speaker 1: look and you see like I can see clear to
Speaker 1: you know yonder Mesa. You don't head toward that mason
Speaker 1: same direction. You're finding all kinds of animals that you
Speaker 1: do not see, and so it's um, yeah, I'll oftentimes
Speaker 1: get out like think you're seeing it all from the
Speaker 1: truck when we would get out and hunt the same
Speaker 1: country and have a very different experience bumping animals along
Speaker 1: the way, have very different experience than what you thought
Speaker 1: you were seeing. What you're looking out. Unless you're looking
Speaker 1: out in a salt pan, you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Ady for another one. Yep, what's his fellow's name? Before
Speaker 1: I get Before I get to that one. This Chuck's
Speaker 1: wondering what your thoughts on the flick, Jeremiah Johnson are.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about that. It's the greatest, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest movies ever made, straight greatest movies ever made.
Speaker 1: The ending of that movie is one of the saddest things. Um,
Speaker 1: one of the saddest, most contemplative exchanges ever captured in
Speaker 1: American cinema. Loaded with symbolism, wonderful movie. There's a little
Speaker 1: little corny moment, a corny moment or two that I
Speaker 1: wish they would have chopped out splashing around the creek
Speaker 1: trying to catch a trout. That and I'm particularly thinking
Speaker 1: like the great character Bear Claw Chris clapp One, a
Speaker 1: great character played by Grandpa Walton. Um, uh, little little
Speaker 1: corn pone, you know, but my god, does that movie
Speaker 1: wind up just being like being a pretty profound movie
Speaker 1: about loneliness. Can you rewatch it yet? No, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you just brought it up from going on holiday movie. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it might like there's parts of it that
Speaker 1: would confuse them a little bit. There's there's some there's death.
Speaker 1: You know, there's like death and insanity and stuff and there.
Speaker 1: It might be confusing to kids, but they can they
Speaker 1: can hack it pretty good. In terms of kids. I'm
Speaker 1: using in favor of I'm usually a little ahead of
Speaker 1: the I get them rolling on stuff earlier than you're
Speaker 1: supposed to in terms of what you expose them to.
Speaker 1: Kind of going explanations with them. Opens up good conversations, man,
Speaker 1: opens up good conversations. Yeah, I'm not like one of those.
Speaker 1: I mean they've got you know, there's I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: like a lot of great parents who are very you know,
Speaker 1: want to have like the world's all innocent and all that,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know what you get
Speaker 1: from painting a picture of the world being all in
Speaker 1: the children that naive children's what you get personally. That's
Speaker 1: my feeling on it. But I have But but again,
Speaker 1: you know, if I could have had parallel lives and
Speaker 1: raise some one way and raise something the other day,
Speaker 1: and then compared him at the end. I don't have
Speaker 1: that luxury. So it's just gut instant because I don't
Speaker 1: want a dog on any parents who who who? I
Speaker 1: don't want a dog on parents who are real protective.
Speaker 1: But no, we kind of roll out the ugly realities
Speaker 1: and the beautiful realities. Um. With that said, I would
Speaker 1: show him, but I have not yet. It's a profound
Speaker 1: movie if you. I think it's a profound movie if
Speaker 1: you look at it in the right way and pay
Speaker 1: attention to what to the things that are said, especially
Speaker 1: the end when he's cooking at rabbit. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough ass rabbit. The way he's cook just skinned
Speaker 1: out rabbit stuck on a skewer ten years since I's
Speaker 1: gonna be chewing he's in. And the thing is, he's
Speaker 1: cooking a rabbit out a spit in any any tear.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, he goes and tears off a
Speaker 1: piece of that rabbit. He like tears off his shoulder,
Speaker 1: off that cotton tail, And I'm like, bullshit, you raise
Speaker 1: that rabbit? Yeah, yeah, maybe he is lathering it up
Speaker 1: with something he had wrapped and foil, and then he's
Speaker 1: just putting a final little singe on it. But he's yeah,
Speaker 1: he's cooking. He's cooking up wrapped me. My buddy Ben
Speaker 1: Freed and we were little kids would cook cotton tails
Speaker 1: that way. And I'm telling you, man, but he's cooking.
Speaker 1: He's got a high above the flame. He's got the
Speaker 1: right idea. But he tears off a hunt and throws
Speaker 1: it the bear cross, bear clawed Chris Clap and bear claw.
Speaker 1: Chris Clap observes how he's learned to cook rabbit very well,
Speaker 1: but still I wasn't buying it. Lance rode in and
Speaker 1: he says, uh, my right, what are you gonna say
Speaker 1: about Jeremiah Johnson? Why did you ask the question? I
Speaker 1: gave the answer. Why don't got an answer? Nothing to
Speaker 1: say about it? Why did you pick it? Because I
Speaker 1: thought it'd be interesting to hear your answer? Doesn't it specifically?
Speaker 1: Ask Steve's opinion? It does, actually, But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's a good movie. I just haven't um I
Speaker 1: couldn't articulate like that, and I haven't um digested it
Speaker 1: quite to the point that you have, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's coming up from the from the Mexican War. He's
Speaker 1: damaged goods, he's got PTSD. What's what they'd call it.
Speaker 1: Now you gather he's been damaged from the war. Comes
Speaker 1: up the trap all right, but he's too late. The
Speaker 1: beaver market already collapsed. It's a sad movie. If you're
Speaker 1: listening property, it's a sad movie. Anyone would know what's
Speaker 1: a sad movie. But there's some, there's some, there's some
Speaker 1: like there's some good stuff. So we got one from
Speaker 1: Kevin and it's one of you guys have already touched on.
Speaker 1: But it's about bird hunting and like how to pull
Speaker 1: shot and like being scared about giving people who are
Speaker 1: just getting used to the to wild meat. Um. So
Speaker 1: it's firstly, after cleaning ten or fifteen birds of my
Speaker 1: own prior or with no experience, I got a lot
Speaker 1: better at the process. However, no matter how to go
Speaker 1: about it, he's still finding shot in the birds, and
Speaker 1: he's wondering, is there a reliable way to like give
Speaker 1: this bird meat to people without having shot in it.
Speaker 1: So the first thing I would say, like I've been
Speaker 1: like a lifelong bird hunter out in Kansas, uh and
Speaker 1: one technique that I just found. It was like taking
Speaker 1: the bird's hole, putting him in water, and like sprinkling
Speaker 1: in like a couple of teaspoons of salt. And like
Speaker 1: when that shot comes in and hits the bird and
Speaker 1: it hits the feathers, it will like bring the feathers
Speaker 1: along with it in most cases. And what I found
Speaker 1: is if you put it in overnight in the fridge
Speaker 1: like that saltwater will actually pull the shot in the
Speaker 1: feathers out of there. So understand how that happens, I
Speaker 1: don't know either, but like it brings it to the
Speaker 1: surface in most cases. And so I just like pluck
Speaker 1: it right off the edge of the bird toss it away.
Speaker 1: It's not foolproof. It doesn't pull all of them, but
Speaker 1: it brings a lot of them up there. Like Otherwise,
Speaker 1: like you just gotta like like breast the bird out,
Speaker 1: massage it down, like find the babies in there, maybe
Speaker 1: slice it up, and then take the carcass and use
Speaker 1: it for stock. Some birds, you can hold a breast
Speaker 1: chunk up to a bright light and you can see
Speaker 1: the shot if you breast it out for sure. Working
Speaker 1: Man's X ray, get yourself an m R. Machine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: run through the m r Yeah, no, no, serious bird
Speaker 1: hunter doesn't have it's m r um. You know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about getting the feathers out by A great trick
Speaker 1: is to stick take a toothpick mm hmm. And sometimes
Speaker 1: you can pull shot too. If it dragged a lot
Speaker 1: of feathers or hair into a cotton tail, you put
Speaker 1: a toothpick in there and twirlet and you'll pull the hair, squirrels,
Speaker 1: anything like that. You'll pull the hair out and you
Speaker 1: can oft times you pull it out and you'll have
Speaker 1: a little bit of shots like locked up in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you picture like a comet. Haley's comment up. Twayne
Speaker 1: was born the year the Haley. You know, Hayley's comment
Speaker 1: comes every seventy five years. Dayne was born the year
Speaker 1: it came, and and predicted that he would come in
Speaker 1: with the common and go out with the common and
Speaker 1: went out with Hayley's comment. Yeah. Anyways, picture of comment
Speaker 1: when you see a picture of a comet and it
Speaker 1: shows like the rock and it's got the flames that
Speaker 1: kind of wrap around the front and trail out in
Speaker 1: the back like a shot goes in there like that
Speaker 1: dragon hair like flames and you put it in and
Speaker 1: pull it out. That's the noise it makes. But the
Speaker 1: Brian one, man, I don't it works for me. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it's like something with
Speaker 1: the osmoss or like I don't know, like when like
Speaker 1: Brian or salt like it does draw things out of
Speaker 1: the meat, but I don't understand. I don't understand how
Speaker 1: that would actually expunge the shot, like I was just no,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that it's bringing in the salt water, right,
Speaker 1: like it has to equal when it's in that Brian
Speaker 1: like that. That's what's going on, right, is that that
Speaker 1: Brian is penetrating the meats. It has to become equal
Speaker 1: between the two states of liquid and the meat. And
Speaker 1: then just like what it's in there, right, So maybe
Speaker 1: it's pressure. Maybe if it's just pulling in, then it
Speaker 1: might be I mean it's going in through those pores
Speaker 1: or whatever there. It just might be sort of plumping
Speaker 1: up and then pushing out. That's what I was. That's
Speaker 1: that's another way to get shot out. It's just pimple popping.
Speaker 1: So that's how you guys might top was for we
Speaker 1: one time got a moose. We were twenty miles were
Speaker 1: we flew in on the raft trips. We flew in
Speaker 1: like flew off the highway up twenty miles up the
Speaker 1: river in order to then float back to the highway.
Speaker 1: This is up in Alaska and right where we landed
Speaker 1: the furthest point we got from any I mean, you're
Speaker 1: nowhere near any kind of permanent structures. We killed the
Speaker 1: moose that someone had shot in the butt with a
Speaker 1: shotgun long ago. It's all healed up in the air.
Speaker 1: But all these shotgun pelts I pictured him, you know,
Speaker 1: they moved quite a distance throughout the life. I pictured
Speaker 1: him getting into someone's garden or something. Was very small.
Speaker 1: It looked like seven and a half or eight shots
Speaker 1: all over under his skin and oh that's gross, was
Speaker 1: it all? It was like, yeah, it was totally healed up.
Speaker 1: That's totally healed up. And it was just like you
Speaker 1: could just see it, you know, that meniscus, like not
Speaker 1: a meniscus, but like that what you call it man
Speaker 1: like the like right under the hide it's kind of
Speaker 1: sticky whatever that like the when you pull the hide away,
Speaker 1: it's sticky, right, yeah, like the fascia. It was just
Speaker 1: like the babies were just in there and they were
Speaker 1: kind of like healed up in there a little bit,
Speaker 1: and the hide didn't have any kind of there's like
Speaker 1: a discoloration on the hide, but the holes and the
Speaker 1: hide were gone. Wonder giving it like the get out
Speaker 1: of here, get out of the old Ryan Callahan, smell
Speaker 1: me now, like smell me now, Mr. Now. It seems
Speaker 1: like a real Alaskan move to shoot a moose in
Speaker 1: the ass with bird shot to get it out of
Speaker 1: your garden. Should you hit another one, Yoannie? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we got one more time for one more? Um,
Speaker 1: I just found one I kind of liked we could
Speaker 1: answer he had to choose one antler game recipe to
Speaker 1: help introduce kids to wild game. What would it be?
Speaker 1: And why? Oh? I know exactly. It's tricky. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about it's tricky because my first thought was
Speaker 1: full to just be freaking taco night man, because me
Speaker 1: can serve regular old American tacos with ground up cat
Speaker 1: meat in it and it's like sweet tacos. But that's
Speaker 1: not necessarily helping introduce your kids to wild game. Maybe
Speaker 1: the idea of it because you can feed them a
Speaker 1: beef taco and say, yeah, man, you're eating elk, and
Speaker 1: the kids are like, great, I'm eating elk. So they're
Speaker 1: okay with the idea. But I think it's guy if
Speaker 1: you're actually yeah, exactly. So if you're actually sort of
Speaker 1: like trying to be like, hey, this is what wild
Speaker 1: game tastes like, I think you're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: a little more nuanced and sort of pick something that
Speaker 1: is wild gaming tastes like wild game. You could pick
Speaker 1: it out as wild game, yet the kids are gonna
Speaker 1: like it. The other evening, I served just half and
Speaker 1: to have a very small, like bottom round roast off
Speaker 1: of an antelope. It wasn't gonna be enough meat. So
Speaker 1: we also had two white tailed dope tender loins, and
Speaker 1: I can tell you that those it was all sliced
Speaker 1: up just it had been done like we do the
Speaker 1: perfect roast, which you can find in the Metator Wild
Speaker 1: Game Cookbook and the recipe there how to make the
Speaker 1: perfect roast. I cooked all three of those pieces the
Speaker 1: same way, steer them up alvoil, salt and pepper, finished
Speaker 1: them in the oven, sliced them. I yanked him at
Speaker 1: like ish, that's no no man. Once I let them rest,
Speaker 1: they rise eight degrees and then their money. Anyways, that
Speaker 1: I put a little bit of each on everybody's plates,
Speaker 1: and it didn't take them along to be like to
Speaker 1: know that the one is a little bit smaller and rounder.
Speaker 1: That was the good eating one, right, So oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like all over that tenderloin the bottom round out off.
Speaker 1: The antelope was awesome too, but it just didn't have
Speaker 1: that melt in your mouth noss of that tender loins.
Speaker 1: So I don't know I'd go with that man, because
Speaker 1: you definitely know you you can taste that you're eating
Speaker 1: wild game. It's got salt and pepper on it, that's it.
Speaker 1: But it's good. It's really good to go to the
Speaker 1: prime cut, I guess is my simple prime cut. I
Speaker 1: put up a thing on Instagram about this, but not
Speaker 1: long ago, I had some Mountain lion tender loins and
Speaker 1: I did like how we I did like like doing
Speaker 1: the perfect roast as describing the Mediator Fishing Game cookbook,
Speaker 1: which is available now. Um seared them, seasoned them, salt
Speaker 1: and pepper, seared him, fired into my oven. But I
Speaker 1: was kind of running a little bit behind schedule, and
Speaker 1: like with little kids, and you gotta get the show
Speaker 1: on the road, right because people got up, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: want to time to mess around. You gotta get them
Speaker 1: to bed. So I pulled him out. I was kind
Speaker 1: of trying to rush things, pull him out, and you
Speaker 1: can't ey mountain land rare. You gotta cook it, you
Speaker 1: gotta you know, you gotta cook it to one sixty
Speaker 1: pull it out. And I was like, damn it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't hold it too quick still a little you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to explain that to your wife? Did everybody?
Speaker 1: The kids go all got trick nosis? So uh, I
Speaker 1: had a bottle. I was like, how am I gonna
Speaker 1: get this done? Like instantaneously? Because once I made I
Speaker 1: I was trying to roll and I'm like, man, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't roll it, you know. And we had mild We
Speaker 1: had mild barbecue sauce um in the fridge, a bottle
Speaker 1: of mild barbecue sauce in the fridge, and I just
Speaker 1: put like a few gloves of that where I had
Speaker 1: a quarter inch of barbecue sauce in the bottom of
Speaker 1: the same skillet that I had seared it in, and
Speaker 1: I put those slices and just simmered them in barbecue sauce.
Speaker 1: Because I'm just trying to get it done and get
Speaker 1: everybody fed. Uh. Man, they loved it, loved it. But
Speaker 1: my kids have eating so much stuff. They don't even
Speaker 1: it doesn't register. You could tell them that they don't
Speaker 1: have any of that. They don't have the apprehension because
Speaker 1: they never had the luxury of addition, say the luxury
Speaker 1: they've they've always had the lugs you of just like
Speaker 1: eating everything, So they don't. They don't. They're not suspicious
Speaker 1: of anything. They wouldn't know, Like you could tell him
Speaker 1: the craziest thing in the world and they wouldn't know
Speaker 1: to think it was weird. So it's not a So
Speaker 1: it's not like your overcoming prejudice. But they that was
Speaker 1: a dish they loved and it makes me think of
Speaker 1: remember that BlackBerry dish I cooked a little bit which
Speaker 1: had that sauce that was made out of base like
Speaker 1: melted brown sugar and you serve it over rice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe we call it meat meat candy. Dude. Kids
Speaker 1: love that dish. Man, we put that on the website
Speaker 1: at some point in time. I don't think it's still there.
Speaker 1: We need to revamp that recipe. Yeah, it's basically like
Speaker 1: making Mongolian beef. Um. You know that's my brother was
Speaker 1: trying to make. My brother, who came up with the recipe,
Speaker 1: was like messing around, trying to make like some dish
Speaker 1: from p F Changs or something. His kids, His kids
Speaker 1: got hot on the McDonald's and uh, he started cooking
Speaker 1: hall of it, just like how they make chicken McNuggets,
Speaker 1: and they and they thought they were eating chicken McNuggets. Wow, dude,
Speaker 1: speaking some good fried fish um I had somehow ended
Speaker 1: up with. I don't know if it was from a
Speaker 1: shoe that we did it, if you gave it to me,
Speaker 1: but the Tony Seas standard fish bredding. I ran out
Speaker 1: of just my whatever, you know, seasoned flower that I
Speaker 1: normally have, and I didn't have any corner. I saw
Speaker 1: the box sitting there and so I went with that
Speaker 1: and man, just seasoned just enough but not too much.
Speaker 1: I was really impressed. That's why it pisces me off.
Speaker 1: And you talk up Old Bay, dude. I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of Old Day myself. You're from the West. They're
Speaker 1: too two separate seasonings. I'm not saying I view it
Speaker 1: like you're an old I view it like when it
Speaker 1: comes to like seasonings that you can buy any grocery
Speaker 1: store in America. There's two kinds of people. There's kinds
Speaker 1: of people who think you can lump everyone into two categories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's two kinds of people. Man, what if you're feeling
Speaker 1: like you want to be Authentico Spanish or Mexican. What
Speaker 1: if you want that flavor you can't. You're not getting
Speaker 1: that if I'm doing that. And you know what, No,
Speaker 1: it's not the only thing I eat. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like we it was framed up as either or. I
Speaker 1: think it was a listener question that might have been.
Speaker 1: But I'm not falling into that trap. Okay, well, when
Speaker 1: we got that, here's the thing we've gotten that argument
Speaker 1: about Tony C's. Someone from the Tony C's family say,
Speaker 1: I everybody Wright said you say this, and I talked
Speaker 1: aboutfore for something for a reason I don't understand. When
Speaker 1: I was in college, you're called uncle times. I have
Speaker 1: no idea why they sent me a care package and
Speaker 1: in it, uh and it was like a marinade, and
Speaker 1: I cook some golden eyed ducks out of that marinade.
Speaker 1: M all right, he said they were so. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good it's a good bredding. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: lot more fun than you know. You really ought to
Speaker 1: learn how to make your own, and I know what
Speaker 1: you do, but it's it's like, for there's a lot
Speaker 1: of good breadings out there. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: got a lot of times. A lot of times those
Speaker 1: store bought ones have that real like I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: it MSG flavor, but I don't know if that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Maybe they're just over salty, is what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get at. But I just feel like you're
Speaker 1: like I can taste something that I don't like, it's
Speaker 1: just too much. Usually where I felt like this one,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I was pleasantly surprised that they
Speaker 1: did had an overseasoned and over salt. You know what
Speaker 1: my old man bought by the case. I didn't have
Speaker 1: fried fish that wasn't made in this season. He bought
Speaker 1: frying magic. M I remember that stuff, blue box. He
Speaker 1: bought frying magic by the case. And he had a
Speaker 1: cupboard in the garage where he kept peanut oil and
Speaker 1: frying magic and paper towels. It was like his stash.
Speaker 1: When your mom did those you're describing how she used
Speaker 1: to do chicken thighs and like she do them in
Speaker 1: the pan and then finish them in the oven very good.
Speaker 1: And you do in squirrels good that way. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was thinking that my that magic great. Okay, it
Speaker 1: was okay, because I want to say, wasn't there a
Speaker 1: product called like shaking bake people did the same exact
Speaker 1: recipe with. Yeah, she would work it up, and I
Speaker 1: should call her to double check. But I feel like
Speaker 1: she would work it up with frying magic and she
Speaker 1: do squirrel same way, same breading started the pan. Then
Speaker 1: she'd take a big sheet pan and line up with
Speaker 1: foil and put all these squirrel eggs on there and
Speaker 1: and throw it in the oven. And you can cover
Speaker 1: it too. That's Kevin Murphy. He covers it and then
Speaker 1: cooks it on three help tenderize it, little moist heat.
Speaker 1: M hm hm. You guys got anything to add to
Speaker 1: the introductory while a game? I'm on dearline of thought,
Speaker 1: primal cuts nice and tender, just like keep them as
Speaker 1: plain as possible, but season them up just a touch. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because like don't let him get the ship and catch
Speaker 1: up man, oh my old man had to We were
Speaker 1: allowed to dip dear heart and catch up. We couldn't
Speaker 1: dip normal dear meat and catch up. Yeah, we definitely
Speaker 1: have like a this is like okay catch up and
Speaker 1: mayo meal. For some reason, my kids freaking they're they're
Speaker 1: they're just as happy dipping in mayo as they aren't
Speaker 1: catch up. But we definitely like run rulves like no,
Speaker 1: this one, No, he's just he's just gonna eat them.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I just put cash up
Speaker 1: on everything. It doesn't matter. You've grown out that, but
Speaker 1: you've grown out of it. Oh Yeah, I still like
Speaker 1: catch up quite a bit, but I definitely don't don't
Speaker 1: put it on my dear sticks. Yeah. I have another
Speaker 1: buddy who um I got it with for quite a
Speaker 1: few years, and uh, I was just the guy that
Speaker 1: would often cook and camp when there was no cook
Speaker 1: and clients were out or whatever, and we'd just be
Speaker 1: hanging out and oftentimes I would spend a bit of
Speaker 1: time cooking up something and then he'd sit down and
Speaker 1: bust up the giant catchup bottle and just over the
Speaker 1: whole plate. Man, it kind of would hurt my heart
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know. I'm like, I guess if
Speaker 1: That's how it is. That's how it is. You need
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Speaker 1: my concluder. That was a good concluder. I don't have
Speaker 1: one today. You boys got a concluder and you're hoping
Speaker 1: to wedge in there. Any little snubs you think bad
Speaker 1: you wanted to say about Yanni. I'm interested in what's
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