WEBVTT - Ep. 150: Tough Assed Questions, Vol. 3 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.720 This is a me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.640 severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:40.120 You can't predict anything. Whatever state you guys are from. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.120 Are you from the west or east side of the state? West? 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.080 West side? Where I'm from, like where I grew up? 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:47.639 The state you were born? And I don't even care 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.280 what it is east the east and you were born 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.080 no kind of you're right dead nuts. No, we're not 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.320 not even kind of. So you think you're West Michigan. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.760 Southwest Michigan. Yeah, that's what we call it. I'm not 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.360 tew talking about. I'm not talking about I'm not talking 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:09.000 about latitude. Sure, but when someone says where is Countazoo Michigan, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.400 I say Southwest Michigan. I don't know about that. Oh 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.679 my god, get a map out. Oh I know where 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.640 it is. I just don't know if it has the 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.760 West Michigan sensibility. The reason I bringing this up is 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.000 because now we talked about how you guys didn't grow 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:29.679 up flipping off your buddies as a way to say hi. No, okay, 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.640 because hear me out. Have you ever met anybody else's 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.360 said check out, check this out? What brought up the 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.120 conversation about the Michigan hello, which is the middle finger 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.040 is we're talking about the Some guy was saying, man, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.160 you should like it's bad to say mugs. And this 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:49.680 guy had to be Australian because we just use mugs 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:54.080 like hey friend, you know friend. Oh, Um, it's more 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.040 like hey friend. Oh where it's like friend with a 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.840 little little chab in there. Um you say, oh, it's 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.520 horrible thing to say. And so we're looking up like 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.760 what mugs means in different places. I think it means 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.400 something kind of awful in Australia. And in this discussion, 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.399 one guy wrote in to say that man, I would 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.520 never take any advice from people in Australia and Australia 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.240 they call their their Michigan hello or they're mugs. Is 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.919 to call everybody the Queen Mother of all swear words, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.600 the sea word. That's right. One day my little boy 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.160 made a list of all the naughty words he knew. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.920 He's public school kid, made a list on a board 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.600 on a plank out in the garage with a sharpie, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.519 a list of all the naughty words you knew. And 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.000 I said, you know what, you almost got them off, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.959 but there's one I will never tell you. I'm dying 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:44.639 to know what it is. He even knows what letter 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.160 it starts with, but I will I will never divulge. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.960 They use that word as a salutation. So this other 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.200 guy was saying, Plus, you know, he brought up like 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.839 swearing allegiance to the crown. He brought up all kinds 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.079 of reasons why he wouldn't take advice from an Australian 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.760 about how to speak to people. But and talking about 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.799 the middle finger. It turns out that we get a 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.040 letter from a guy who cleared like just without any 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.600 prompt and clarified that he's from western Wisconsin. And then 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.600 we got a guy who wrote in about the middle finger, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:17.480 and he clarified these from Western Wyoming. So I was 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:22.160 wondering if in every state there's this weird phenomena where 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.800 in every phenomenon where in every state people that live 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.800 in the west half of that state flip people flip 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.840 their friends off as a way to say hi. This 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.480 guy in western Wisconsin that was so prevalent. He said 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.560 that if his buddy didn't flip him off when he's 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.320 driving by, he thinks something was wrong. It was pretty 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.920 prevalent the guy must be mad at him. Yeah, Western Washington. 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.840 I mean maybe it was just my jackass friends, but 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:52.640 I feel like that was completely ubiquitous. Yeah. Another thing 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.120 about the bird. The guy from Western Wyoming said, we 0:03:55.400 --> 0:04:00.120 really differentiated between putting your thumb out or not, and 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.400 like you might put your thumb out and give the 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.880 bird to your body and it was kind of like 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.280 the exclamation point on it. Yeah, it was like it 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.760 meant something different. He said, It's like the old man bird, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.520 which had your thumb in. He was saying he got 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:15.960 in the habit of doing it so much that one 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.200 day he flipped this old man off and it's ma 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.839 whooped him. So she wasn't she was from the eastern 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.320 part of her state. I didn't realize. Uh. Guy rode 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.400 in this is this is kind of like it's kind 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.040 of a moot point now. But a dude wrote in 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:39.719 being like man Um he's talking about Secretary Zinkie leaving, 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.599 leaving his position, and he's saying, oh, you know, you 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.600 never got it right, and you handled Zinky with kids gloves. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.119 I don't want to dwell on this. I'm just gonna say, dude, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.839 wait and see his replacement. And then come tell me 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.559 that I handled zinky with kids gloves. You'll be looking 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:02.840 back at the good old days real soon. Perhaps, Um 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:09.240 guy rode in to say that this year, no then 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.480 in Mississippi, remember talking about you don't even talking a 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.080 lot about whether people can actually like tell how old 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.080 bucks are mm hmm and letting bucks walk and all 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.240 that kind of stuff. When we're talking with Mark Kenyon, 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.720 he wrote in that, Um, we're talking about like it 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.760 like growing up in Michigan, like no one ever shot 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.880 everybody always just shot spikes and four keys every buck. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.640 What are you saying, like in Mississippi, it's he says, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.120 it's a different He's been a different situation down there. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.440 This is the old day that this is two fifteen 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.880 in Mississippi. Seventy four percent of the bucks killed in 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.159 Mississippi were aged. Was like, that's not you guessing they 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:52.000 were aged at three and a half years and older. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:58.120 Four per cent of the bucks for you numb schools. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.359 Three quarters of the almost three quarters of the bucks 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.120 in Mississippi three and it are like borderline like mature 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:10.080 bucks three and a half and older. Dude, man, that's 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.080 like a way different than a lot of places. Changing 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.880 all the time. Well we think it's way different, But 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.720 do we have that kind of data from other places? 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.600 I would love to go find it. I would love 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.440 to go find Like when I was a youngster, I 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.000 would love to go find here did I shoot? When 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:32.680 did I shoot my first buck? Like back in the 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.200 mid eighties, right, I would love to know when I 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.320 was just like a teen, like a young teenager entering 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.160 into my teens. I would love to know. And in 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.960 those in that collection of counties or statewide in general, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.560 I would say there was seventy I was the opposite. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.320 I would say it was seventy five. And this is 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.480 just me pulling this out of the out of thin air. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.320 But a bet se, we're one and a half. We're 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.640 just spike some you know, fok spikes a little six is. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.400 We thought a big buck was just a year and 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.920 a half old. It had a bigger because they'll throw 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.120 an eight point rack, you know, they'll throw in Michigan eight. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.920 So we cut that was a big buck. But maybe 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.360 you were being full to then maybe there was basket 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.800 racks sixes and eight that were actually three and a 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:22.280 half years old. Genetics run into playing those. Yeah, No, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.600 I don't think so, But how can I really defend 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.520 my position because I don't have any the materials out there. 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.320 I was just looking at a sweet collection of maps 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:36.160 that are Dude sent in. That was um it was 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.679 going back into the niesties forties and showing what parts 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.240 of the state of Michigan were opened and closed for 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.480 deer hunting. Mm hmm. And there was big periods of time, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.960 like you know, when all the animals got wiped out, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.640 this big periods of time would we'd only be like 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.800 a little block of the state open, like they'd have 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.160 a deer season. The entire southern third of the state 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.920 would be closed to your hunting, and it would just, 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.520 you know, every year they'd be like it just bounced 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.680 around as they were trying to recover. Dear, you look 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.720 at something very similar in your own lifetime if you 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:14.600 went and looked at turkey. Yeah, how turkey seasons filled 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:20.320 in as turkeys were recovered. Uh. Guy roning about this, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.080 You guys ever hear this that there's a I don't 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.360 know if this is true. He says, there's a cover 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.080 scent that basically functions like vix vapor rub. When you 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.960 were a little kid, with you my rub vix vapor 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.079 vapor rub on your chest. Yeah, so you'd get like 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.480 it's like waffed up. He says, there's a cover cent 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.720 that's like mental and it's just meant to throw off 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.120 a deer's ability to know what's going on. Man, I've 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.480 heard of stuff like that, and I just don't really 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.200 end up giving much credence to pretty much anything. The 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.400 deer roles and he's like, whoa, bro, I can't spell anything. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.120 It's just it's just like swamping their senses. I mean, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.960 maybe there's something that you haven't heard of this. I've 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:00.640 heard of all sorts of stuff like that, and I 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.959 don't think I really even register most Most of it 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.720 is that the stuff that's supposed to smell like cookies 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.199 or whatever. No, he said it smells like men. Though 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.600 he's asking me or us right what we think of it. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.360 I don't even know enough about it. I wish Mark 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.720 Kenny was here, yea one. You know, if you're listening 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.320 right now, send your question to Wired to Hunt. Dude, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.200 you'll get thirty minutes on like you'll get thirty minutes 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.440 because you'll know about it. I guarantee, I guarantee Kenyon 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:27.880 to like know about it and have some kind of 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:34.840 opinion on it. Um. In the ongoing listing and collecting 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:39.520 of Ship that makes Turkey's Gobble, guy rode in. He 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.920 was out hunting one time, got all six, started puking, 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.440 rolled into dry heaves, and gobbled up a bird dry 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.040 heaving out in the woods. His buddy called. He says, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.960 his buddy called it and killed it. A train engineer 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.760 says that he can get him to he can get 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.360 him to shot gobble with his train whistle. Says, but 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.360 it's so damn loud you can't hear the birds. But 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.080 he'll see him out in the field, blow the whistle 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.800 and see him stick their neck out and gobble even 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.760 he's up his train engine so dry heaves and train whistles, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.599 yannice his heart. Here's a good yeah, he gets. I 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.200 only forward you. It's like a very small percentage of 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.760 people concerned about his heart. You're getting good tips off that. Well. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.560 You know, there was so many after my recent clarification, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.760 which I felt like I did a good job of saying, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.640 I'm feeling good, folks, But people care about you. I 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.920 know they do. But we got quite a few emails 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.920 being like, oh, man, I know exactly what's wrong with you. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.360 You better call me or this, that and the other enough. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:37.000 So I felt like I might have somehow miscommunicated and 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.400 not giving off the uh, you know, the appearance that 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.560 I'm fine and like I'm doing good. I feel comfortable 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.160 with the situation and so yeah. One of the guys 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.320 that rote in was like, dude, you gotta call me. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.360 So I did, so I chatted up. I got like 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.679 a you know, like a what do you call when 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.280 you go back? Like a like a check up, um 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.840 follow up from a guy, a doctor out of Great Falls. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.280 Was it a doctor that called you? Yeah? Oh so 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.280 a doctor said call me yeah, yeah, and doctors because 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.480 I emailed doctors every week where I got a question 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.200 no for sure And it was good because I basically 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.240 ran through everything and he's like, sounds like you're right 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.160 on track, You're you're you know, you've done all the 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.760 tests that I would have recommended, and you you understand 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.400 what's going on. I'm glad that you're on the ask 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.200 for in a day. And knowingly I would say is 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.120 that don't wait until you're sixty five to go see 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.520 your cardiologist again. Maybe check in just a little more often. Oh, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.840 it's nice to have a second opinion. Totally, dude, you 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.120 need to have doctors in your pocket. Man, I'd like 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.040 to have a doctor in each back pocket at all time, 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.319 because because the first of your day, guy wrote in, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.280 and you know, I don't know about like I hope 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.920 he's not listen. No, it's fine, he wrote in, and 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:58.319 he's like, his buddy has to go down some kind 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.760 of emergency and get an m R I. And the 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.760 m R I machine is backed up, okay, so he's 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.480 gotta wait. And some doctors like, hey, long as you're waiting, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.200 let's do the x ray first to see if there's 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.760 any metals to verify. There's no metals, like they'll because 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.080 you know, the MRIs are magnets that will draw the metals. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.080 So if you got implants and stuff, they have steel. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:27.800 But but and he says that, thank goodness, thank god 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.480 he did the x ray because his body had inadvertently 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.480 swallowed a piece of shot there was residing in his stomach, 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:44.720 and that that m R I would have drawn shot. Now, yeah, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.760 for sure, that's I verified that with my doctor friend 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.720 d D. The doctor I should call D right now. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.520 So I wrote back and said well, because he said 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.520 it's from eating turkeys. And I'm like, but you were 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.200 using steel shot for turkey. Sure you weren't using like 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:10.000 copperplated lead, her brass plated lead. They have both, because 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:15.280 the magnet wouldn't draw unlead then, and then I emailed 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:20.560 my doctor body d dr D to ask her the 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.560 m r I wouldn't pull like it has to be 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.760 something with iron in it for the magnets to pull it. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.960 And she's like, yeah, and that's why it's standard procedure 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.120 to always check people with X rays to make sure 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.280 they don't have any metal. And then the dude rolled 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:36.319 back and said, yeah, in fact, it was steel. They 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.200 were hunting turks with steel shot. So be pretty interesting 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.199 to have that bea be drawn out of your body? 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.680 Would it would? Now the thing that would worry me? Interesting? Huh? 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.480 I would like it just for the story if it 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.160 got drawn straight out. But let's say it got sucked 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.640 by a magnet. Let's say they put the magnet on 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.200 top of your head, pulled through your body and drew 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.839 it that way. Man, that's not interesting, you know, But 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.840 just a straight shot, just like bounce across every vertebra 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.959 as it runs up your spine and then right through 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.120 your cranium. I don't know how strong the magnet, sorry, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.000 but I felt that you were just hoping for like 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.440 maybe liver, no man, hope to shut off when you 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:23.240 started screaming. I don't know how fast it draws that 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.160 thing in. I need to call. The point being, it's 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:27.800 nice to have doctors you can call up and ask 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.960 good questions to know. Here's another example of that. Uh, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:36.600 Steve and I guided a ortopedic surgeon in Colorado. This 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:43.440 accompanied right, we're doing a fundraiser, that's right, So we 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.120 weren't being paid for this, but yeah, we hunted with him, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:53.320 and Uh, I was always wondering what the actual name 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.800 for what I call referred to the pelvit crest on 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.240 a deer, which is like when you kind of break 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.640 open it's back legs and he sliced away to meat, 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.960 and you've got what looks to me very much like 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.520 a crest like piece of bone each side of it. Yeah, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.400 you pull it out. And just because I was I 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.760 don't know, I was writing something about that doing that process, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.200 I thought, well, I might not be calling it the 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:21.200 right thing, So figured bone guy surgeon. Yeah, he didn't 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:22.400 know off the top of his head, but he did 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.720 a little bit of digging and quickly found out that 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:29.440 it is called the symphysial crest r Yeah, so I 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.920 was right with crest. It's just not Yeah, so it 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.160 is in the pelvic area. So you know, the butt 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:40.160 crack is called Oh technically, no, I don't the gluteal crease. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.920 I like that, that makes sense. I like that a 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.840 lot um. It just sounds so less personal than your 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.840 butt crack, right, you guys ought to introduced sales real quick, 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.280 by the way, Yeah, and what you do here? Sam Longer, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.240 an associate editor Meat Eater, and Morgan Mason, same associate 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.400 editor over here, stuff guys, real quick, while you're on it, 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.280 Are you at liberty to talk about what's happening over 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:10.840 your place tonight? Or no, it'll be long gone by then. Yeah, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.040 what do you worry that, like my party is gonna 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.680 be crashed? You might not like to talk about stuff 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.000 that's happening at your house. Oh yeah, I hear you. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.800 I've been thinking about that lately too, About how much 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.560 you know, being that you know, we're outing the public 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.560 eye more and more and more, how much of that 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.800 stuff you keep private, but no, I'd love to talk 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:35.200 about it. It's ah, would you like me to? Sure? Well, man, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.560 I wouldn't have brought it up. We're doing a little 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:45.520 winter Solstice festivy festival festivities, um, which is gonna involve 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:52.520 pagan rituals. Yeah, yeah, he's, he's they celebrate pag and stuff. 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.440 But really, I say, the biggest reason we're actually doing this, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.800 and then my wife's interested in doing it, is that 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.120 is that the tradition of it. So we've done it 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.200 three or four years now, and like whoever's with us 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.480 over the holidays, we sort of it's not always on 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.560 the winter solstice, but even if we're we might do 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.639 this New Year's sometimes because you're kind of celebrating New 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.920 Year's ish type stuff right in the ending of one 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.080 year at the beginning of another. Whether you want to 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.879 do that on the winter solstice when the days started 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.760 becoming longer more logical, Yeah, for sure. The Gregorian is 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.360 how you say that, the Gregorian calendar. It's more logical, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.959 don't know, because that's just some arbitrary like like New 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.439 Year should be right now exactly. Yeah, either last night 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.960 or tonight. Yeah, it's kind of nice to think about 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.800 that and then when you realize that that, like tomorrow, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.439 the day is going to be a little bit longer. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.200 I spent like ten minutes. I spent ten minutes explaining 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.400 this to my kids. But theird thinking is They're like, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.720 they wanted to be real dramatic, you gotta move. I 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.000 was like, no, it'll be like you know, like every day, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.920 it'll be like sub a minute, right, And they thought 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.000 from it. I had their hopes up where they thought, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.159 all of a sudden, mos gonna be like hotter and 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:10.840 balls light out. Tm Oh yeah, that's funny. But and 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.879 you guys in the old days of Lavians, correct me 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.120 if I'm wrong here, and the old days of Latvians 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.000 and get a hunk up molten lead and fired into 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.960 a bucket of water. Yeah, and we were thinking about 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.760 doing that too. And I think we've just we just 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.160 sort of ran out of time. Um, I'm still I'm 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.560 still contemplating going and going buy and grabbing some fishing 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.119 bunch of fishing weights. Um, bring a little we smelt 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.880 lead with blowtorches, getting in and huff that it's good 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.880 for your brain. Yeah, totally, you guys. Um, you guys 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.159 tracking what we're saying about about throwing lead into a bucket, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.080 I am not. You know, in some cultures you take 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.920 a chicken and kill the chicken and lay it's guts out. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.600 Watch all the guts squirmed, and you can tell the 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:51.360 future heard of it. Well, Lavian's um. They like, take 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.960 a hunk molten lead and throw into a bucket. Then 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.280 you pull it out of the bucket and you get 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.760 a candle going, and you throw a shadow of your 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.120 lead shape because it makes the fild shape. You throw 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.040 a shadow that off the wall, off a candle. Take 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.680 a gander up there, and then see what's gonna happen. Yeah, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:12.560 everybody else like we're gonna get eaten by large monster. Yeah, everybody. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.119 It's like seven years and younger. It's usually that. And 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.439 there's always a lot of boats for some reason, Like 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.919 a chunk of melted lettuce has recently been you know, 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:28.199 reformed into into a solid shape that it the or 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.359 the shadow that it throws is some sort of boat 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.600 like thing because everybody's going on a cruise next year, 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.639 or just be like something. If you predicted for me, 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.399 if I throw my lead and I throw a shadow 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.280 up on the wall, and I look yonder and you 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.000 and I see a boat, and someone said, man, I 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.280 think over the course of the next year, you'll be 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.960 in a boat. I'd be like, I think you're probably right. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.560 I got a feeling you're right. I went to a 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.679 summer Solstice party at an environmental historians home. He's been 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.400 a guest on this show, Dan Flores, and he had 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.480 the big you don't really have a spot for this. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:12.479 He had a sun dial on a rock. Okay, so 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.920 he could, you know, track shadows throughout the year. Is 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:21.200 pretty cool. And then right at the appropriate time, everyone 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.679 would uh. At the time that he would call, he 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.000 would say that this party was a collection of elite 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.560 He said it was an elite group of hard players, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.800 meaning an elite group of hard parties, and everybody be 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.080 pretty partied up, and at the appropriate time you would 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.119 all dance like like the sun. The shadow of the 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.320 sun dial throws in a certain directions, so as the 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.879 summer goes on, days get longer, longer, longer, and you 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.280 would dance in a reverse direction of the course that 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:56.480 the shadow was taking. And everyone, you know, all liquored 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.840 up and everything, and you're all dancing and hooting up, hooping, 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.000 you know, whooping and holler and round the dial for 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.240 quite a long time, and it was like you're collectively 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.960 harnessing your energies in order to send the sun back 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:15.280 in the direction, reverse the time, send it back. Yeah, 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:19.200 that's an interesting state of mind. Some results his party. 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.600 Oh you know, it wasn't like he was. I don't 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.159 think people thought that they were like literally reversing the 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.199 course of the sun. But it was a celebration of 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.399 it was it was like it is actually going on 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.480 right there, saying that, like that there's gonna be less 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.120 sun now, and we're sort of going to help that along. Yeah, 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.040 like it's getting too yeah, too much, too much. You 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:38.679 need to throttle her back a little bit, and so 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.760 you'd send the sun back down. And it was a 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.840 way of anchoring. I think it's just like a nice 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:48.680 way of anchoring your calendar. Mm hmm, yeah, I like it. Yeah, 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.440 we tonight. Oh you know, there's talking about your heart. 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:53.920 I was supposed to bring up and go go ahead, 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.760 but I don't want to get so far away from 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.240 your heart that I lose my point. But go ahead 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:03.159 throwing lead. So we're not gonna throw a lead what 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.640 they call it. We're going to how do you saying 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:11.520 lab throwing lead or whatever the term would be. I 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:18.520 think it is. I think it's mess mess good job 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:21.880 that your pop have the deal where he's like doing 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.439 the signs on the body, like ended up with the 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:28.479 caribou hun like blessing the rifle. You know that's just 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:32.040 for kids, you know, Okay, But no, messed spheno. I 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:33.560 think it's what it's called. I think it's to throw 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.919 a lad messed sphenopen is I thought would be more 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:41.680 like yeah, like most other latining words kind of sounds 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:43.520 like that. So what's the process with the lead? You 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:45.480 boil it down on something and just like have no 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:47.720 so you just like have like a pot. You got 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.520 a good will that you're not going to use beside 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:57.720 this and and throwing uh good will. Yeah, you guys 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:04.440 keep the crucibles and a Bunsen burner. Um. Yeah, you 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:06.480 just melt it down and then when it's in a 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:08.840 liquid form, you just take it and hold it right 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.760 over the bucket of cold water. And one one felt, Yeah, 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:13.920 the keys to do it fast and all at once, 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:15.840 because if you drip it in there, you can imagine 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.080 what you get. That makes sense. You're gonna see boat 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.000 shapes like with all that weight coming down, like how 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.400 the water reacts. But I think people see the water 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.320 and it puts them in the boating frame of mind 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:28.840 to perhaps. Uh, my old man had all the paraphernalia 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.480 for dealing with lead. Kid was sweet little What is 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.760 that material? It's like cast when it's not like picture 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.400 like it looks. I can't think of the word, but 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:45.000 it's a you know, like the super heavy cast iron 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.720 things with a little spout on them. Yeah, and you 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.600 get like the little tippers and everything, and we go down. 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.080 We had that, We had the we had the molds 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:58.520 to make your own fishing sinkers. But we'd go down 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:00.560 and get all of our lead out of the at 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.760 the rifle range down the road. We had a rifle 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.680 range about a mile and a half. We could ride 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.360 our bikes down a role that we dubbed dead dog 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:11.560 Road because the strangest thing for a long period of 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.240 growing up, you'd look in the ditch off that road 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:18.199 and would often be able to find dead dogs, like 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.600 we could never solve the mystery, or magazines of a 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:25.640 certain genre would be like what you'd find in this ditch. 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.439 So we call it like our road to end, and 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:29.400 the Dead Dog Road to begin, and down Dead Dog 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.560 already go left into the shooting range, and we would 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:34.919 without doing any kind of things like putting flags up 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.880 and whatnot to notify people that we were down there, 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.399 we would go down with the sand the sifter and 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:45.479 sift out bullet lead and use that to pour up 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.840 our own sinkers and our sinker mold. But bullet lead 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.720 there's additives in there. So like normally when you bite 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:56.800 a fishing sinker, um, it's soft. But when you bite 0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:01.960 our sinkers, you would hear your teeth go every time 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:03.960 because it was all those hardeners in there. Man. It 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:07.760 was a nasty fishing, rough fad fishing experiment. Man. Yeah, 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.240 it was horrible sinkers, horrible stinkers. But we never thought 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.360 to go get tire weights, which most people who want 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.520 to melt some lead up. That's what we always used, 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.399 my dad, and soft lead buzz bombs and stuff like that. 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.480 Tire weights. Yeah, what's a buzz bomb. It's a it's 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.560 a long kind of diamond shaped casting lure for salmon 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.200 that you can just huck a country mile off the beach. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:34.280 Oh yeah, Because you guys were like Pacific coast. Yeah, yes, 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:36.000 we did a lot. You were throwing them for casting 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.520 for salmon, mostly pinks and silvers, but you'd run into 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:43.280 King's time to time. Yeah, oh man along along the 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.240 west coast of Woody Island where I grew up, when 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.520 the pink salmon run was on, Like you, you could 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.879 go out to certain places and see a thousand people 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.960 stretching for a couple of miles down the beach. Just 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.880 when you threw a bird down the beach, they knew 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.560 you were just saying high. One time, when I was 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.760 doing that, I drilled seagull out of the air with 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.960 a buzz bomb when there was you know, five hundred 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:06.920 people withinside of me, and they all thought I did 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:08.800 it on purpose, when the worst thing was like I 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.800 was kind of like seagull coming Biden thinking of and 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.159 you know a million chances did you do it on purpose? 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.959 There's no way you don't bet you a thousand bucks, right, 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.360 there's no way you're But speaking of flipping the birds, 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.560 there are some people who thought that was pretty uh, 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.640 pretty bad idea of me to do, and we thought 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:28.439 you did it on purpose. But I did it on purpose. 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.080 I had to fight that thing all the way in, 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.760 pin it down, unhook it. It was pretty unpleasant with 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.720 that you hooked. Yeah, you got you tied into him. Yeah, 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.760 if you're calling drag oh yeah. Yeah. It was up 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.520 in the air and then down the water and squawking. 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:46.160 It's not horrible without an audience, but it probably becomes 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.400 horrible with an audience. Yeah, but worse about it. Well, 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:51.199 I've I've found throughout the course of my life that 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:57.679 catching ship on fishing gear that isn't fish is generally unpleasant. Yeah, turtles, 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.720 no one. Yeah, it's never any fun. Never. Yeah, we 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.959 doubt what the Pelican wants. I still need to get 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.720 back to why I brought up your heart. Yeah, we 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:11.120 got off of what we're gonna be doing tonight because 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.959 I just explained the Yeah, winter sols. I'm coming up 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.040 with my boys. My daughter can't come. Oh, you guys 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.320 are coming. That's good to know. I don't think you 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.240 invited me. I think you invited my wife. I invite 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.520 your whole family, but you guys did rs VP. Really, 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.000 I'm glad we know now I'm coming up with two boys. 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.679 All right, we're ready for you. But what we're gonna do, 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:31.560 Just so everybody knows what Steve will be doing and 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.760 what he was doing on the evening of the twenty one. 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.800 We're gonna have a bonfire, throwing chicken guts, throwing leads, 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:41.440 No chicken guts on fire. We're gonna drag a youlgue 0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.800 around the house. We're gonna sing some songs. Which how 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.240 do you guys feel about that? My wife thinks that 0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:51.720 Americans in general are very uncomfortable with singing songs in public. 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:56.640 Oh yeah, I hate it. Increasingly used to be way 0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.879 more common, seems like, yeah, like I was just reading 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.480 in the paper some article the day, like Christmas caroling 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:06.040 is like this thing that used to be it's like kids, Yeah, 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:09.400 Mrs Babcock would organize it. Yeah, it's sure you kind 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.160 of hated it, But I think as you do it more, 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.600 you kind of like realize, you know, the benefits of it. 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:16.800 And I don't know, I feel like singing makes you 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.159 feel good when you do it, And it's just interesting 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.520 that Americans really don't like doing it because I always 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:27.960 sing my song. Yeah, I've sing that all the time. Yeah, 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.400 we sing a lot on Hunt. But no, like when 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.199 my kids have a birthday and there's people over and 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:34.879 it comes down to sing the birthday song, and there 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.000 was stoked to sing the birthday song. Yeah, that's not 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.840 the kind of singing I'm talking about. I know what 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:42.320 you mean, though, it seems like it used to be 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.120 a lot more common now. So we're gonna standing around 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.240 the bonfire saying a few songs, sing some songs while 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.520 we're pulling the yolog around and then the real well 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.200 that's part of the tradition and the whole winter song. 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.040 We're gonna like, you need a team of my oxen 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.560 or what No, you know it'll be. You just had 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.680 your house redone. You're dragging large do it around it, 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.400 around it, you do it three times, you know, to 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.720 basically bless the house and you know, get rid of 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.240 evil spirits and get it ready for the next year. 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:11.880 A lot of people on that hill, I know, there's 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.720 a we have a we have a corner man. When 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:17.080 there's not a lot of space where rope, you put 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.160 up a rope people can hold onto. Yeah, little carabineers 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.360 they can clip into every time they come. When that's done, 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.000 you go to the bonfire, and then we have an 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:29.360 axe and you can either you know, to everybody there 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.000 express in words what you're chopping into the log or 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:34.640 you can just keep it in your own head. But 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.960 the gist of it is is that you're chopping like 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:43.000 the shitty things from the prior year, the demons, the dragons, battles, 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:47.000 the hurdles, negative stuff, whatever, and you're you're chopping it 0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.960 into the log, out of your body, into the law. 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.880 And then I don't buy that. And then you pick 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.440 up the law goes into the fire. I feel like 0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.400 every guy with a woodstove does that every time each shops. 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:06.600 He's like, some exactly, how is it that you're chopping 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.280 it into it? I feel like what it should be. 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.840 It's symbolic. I think it should be, did you knock 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.000 a chunk out of the log? The log is your 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:21.880 you're everything. You come in at a forty five, come 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.240 in at a reverse forty five, knock out a little 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.720 chip that's the right fill that in the fire, Well, 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:30.920 those chips will be lying there. So if that's how 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.360 you want to do it, you can throw a little 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.160 chip in there for sure. Pretty subjective, subjective on the 0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.720 approach on this, like you just have your angle, know 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:39.960 what you want to do. Yeah, totally, I'm sure there's 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.920 some you know, crazy little traditional pagan labby and it'll say, no, 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.760 we're doing it all wrong. But I need to get 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.880 back to you why I brought up your heart. But yeah, 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.480 real quick, you guys would paint those buzz bombs? Huh? 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:57.280 How would you paint them? Usually bubblegum, pink? What kind 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:03.360 of paint? I mean, just like rustoleum. I get all 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:05.360 mail paffer and stuff. Like. I remember, I was into 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.720 powder coating stuff for a while. I can't remember if 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.360 I was doing that for my steel head jigs or 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.720 buzz bombs. I I don't. I don't honestly remember. But 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.640 like hard enamel stuff because you'd be banging it on 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:18.680 rocks and all sorts of stuff. I paint my own 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.400 hell but jigs, and that's always a let down, man. Yeah. Yeah, 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.920 it chips off so damn fastalbet it stays good, yeah, 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:26.480 because then you're you're trying to put glow in the 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.320 dark on their right A lot of times if you're 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:30.920 just jigging hell but it's good. But as soon as 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.560 you start banging rocks for heal, thet are typically over 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.000 a sandy bottom. As soon as you're like banging rocks 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.800 for lincod Or banging rocks for rock fish. Then you 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.840 pulled up, it's like all that hard work he's got 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.400 like a lead jig again. Yeah, but I also kind 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.360 of like ones that are a little battle scarred. I've 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.720 always I always thought that it needs like a little 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.800 bit of seasoning before something's fishing well, especially with jigs, 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:53.520 like once it once there's a little bit of chip, 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:55.680 maybe it makes it, give it a little bit more 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.520 of a realistic pattern or something. I don't know. I 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.480 haven't noticed that. I that's in your head, but once 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.360 in people's head is important. Man, Yeah, I think so. 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:06.720 I used to hate talking with people about hunting gear 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:11.320 and fishing gear and then they'd like something stupid, and man, 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.680 I think that's stupid and they'd say, well it works 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.400 for me. And I used to not like it, but 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.200 now I understand it and like it. Yeah, I talk 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:21.160 I talk to people about that all the time, that 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:27.800 what you're fishing is less about having it right, you know, 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.000 from objective standards, and more what you're confident in. That's 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.880 what That's what I say all the time. With steel head, 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.360 it's like pick up, no, don't pick like the fly 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.520 of that you know, some professional things. You should pick. 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.720 Pick the one that you're confident in, the one that 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.720 you're going to feel like you're fishing well all day, 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.360 feel that like is working for you and and and 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.200 have that sense of find that sense of confidence, and 0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.600 that's what's gonna catch you fish, not trying to rely 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:59.280 on somebody else's expertise. Yeah, like this year, man, because 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:00.640 this year I try to hold a new kind of 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.680 flutter jig for jig and halibut. And we traditionally always 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.400 us just like classic leadheads, but I mean they're sixteen 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:14.000 ounce leadheads, right, like just big leadhead with a big 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.160 j hook coming out of it, and on that you 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.840 put you know, like the classic just like you're rigging 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:20.920 up for small mouth bath, but everything's like way bigger 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:22.560 than you get, like a ten inch grub body on it, 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.640 not tenants six eight inch grub body on it. And 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.160 that switched to a flutter jig. And at first you're 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:33.880 fishing it and you're not fishing like you are when 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.560 you're fishing something you love. But then I want to 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.600 on day one, late and late on day one of 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:44.080 halibut fishing, smack two very nice halibut. Then you should 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.560 see me fishing that jig, then you're playing for keeps. Man, 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:49.960 I'm sitting up there just jigging jigg It's not like 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.280 you know you're in it because you're like, oh this 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.160 thing works, then you're fishing seriously. So it's self fulfilling, right, 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.200 It definitely is. It takes a while. It takes a 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.800 while to develop that with new patterns, techniques, all sorts 0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.280 of stuff and some there's a lot of things that 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.160 I've just never gotten past it. It's like I never 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:08.920 figured out how to fish. This never worked for me. 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.560 I've got dride boxes full of flies and and lures 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:14.920 that I tried one time. I was like, I'm not 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.359 really feeling it. Never really stuck it out long enough 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:19.960 to make it work, because sometimes it's just default to 0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.279 those things. But then sometimes like that, just like, oh ship, 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:28.319 that's me. That's me. With any kind of surface bait, yeah, 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.120 I just like and I was like, man, service baits, 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.640 Oh there I have a This last spring, I took 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.160 my dad to Wisconsin on a muskie trip and a 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.320 friend had told us to get this this new fancy 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.359 surface bait called the whopper plopper, and I was like, well, 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.080 that's the dumbest name I've ever heard of. And then 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:48.279 I saw it and I was like, well, that's the 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.160 dumbest looking lure I've ever seen. And it's it's like 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.600 it's like aizarre spook kind of like a like a 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:57.200 just like a cigar bait. No lip, no nothing, but 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.440 the back end has like a little fin and it 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:07.960 goes but spinning around and must swimming. Yeah, exactly, real noisy, 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.560 there is like throwing water everywhere, but the wounded ones 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.640 are so I just I just couldn't. I just couldn't 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.440 handle it. But he went and bought five of them, 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.360 of course, and and then first day he landed like 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.560 it's just from a loan from the bank to buy 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.040 five musky plug Yeah, seriously, he got a he got 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.000 a huge smiley on it the first day, and then 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.719 a big muskie on it the second day. And then 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.359 after he caught that his first muskie on this bait 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.640 that I didn't think was gonna work, he busted out 0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:40.560 another lure that I had even less confidence in, called 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:44.600 the suicide Duckling literally looks like a rubber duckling. These 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.000 guys should get a job naming hot sauce. Yeah, absolutely, 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.960 this literally looks like a duckling. It's it's it's fairly fishy. 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.319 It's like head down, looks like a duckling running the way, 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.799 which definitely does make a lot of commotion. It's got 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.960 propellers for the feet and it's got treble hooks sticking 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.200 up all over the play And I was like, you 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.279 gotta be kidding me. He's like, I bought this. I 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.000 bought this lure. I think it's awesome. I want to 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.680 fish it. And he just loves hair brained ideas for 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.279 different stuff. He fished that thing for ten minutes and 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.400 landed a forty in musky right at the side of 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:16.280 the boat. Guy can pick lures or he just fishes 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:20.239 him with comedy. Yeah, I know folks that swear by 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:24.000 those two. Definitely both both of those things. Man. I 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:29.279 am completely. I'm completely. Until last summer, Yanni and I 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.719 didn't know. Maybe you did, I don't think you did. 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.959 We didn't know that muskies were also in fashion again. 0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:40.080 Oh yeah, yeah, that there's like fish and Game Agency's 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.920 established him. Well, yeah, because like my grandpa was a 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:45.920 musky fish and my mom that was my mom's my 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:51.360 mom's father, maternal grandpa. Uh he liked to fish cropping 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.279 like the fish muski. But he was fishing musky and 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:57.239 native water right go up in the north Wisconsin and 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.879 stuff and fish musky, um, and that was like his thing. 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.239 But I didn't know that they're making all these like 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.480 super breeds and muskies and cutting muskies loose and all 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.160 these lakes, so they weren't traditionally been and always like 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:14.040 sterile hybrid eized muskies that just get bigger and bigger 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.080 and bigger and never reproduced. And it's like a big 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.759 practices when they're trying to get rid of a car 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:24.319 per suckers or putting hybridized yeahs, sterile musky exactly because 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.919 they'll they'll create a cool fishery. They get really big, 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:29.680 but you know they're not gonna breed. They're not gonna like, 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.080 you know, eat themselves out of house and home like 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:37.000 pike or actual muskies. Were people are tigers all over Montana. 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.840 People get real fired up about catching them. Yeah, definitely. 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:42.880 When I was a little kid, we did we fished 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.120 this lake for bluegills called Wolverine Lake, pretty heavy and um, 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.400 they had tiger muskies in there, but they were all dinkers. 0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:49.880 When I was a kid, you so much. Moments they 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.240 were gonna Sunday be hogs. You just catch dinker tigers. 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.920 The reason I brought your heart up, guy wrote in 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.759 which is a doctor here? He was talking about your 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.840 an email about your heart. He pointed out that he 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:08.920 had to take beta blockers. He says that the medication 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.359 has had an interesting and unintended side effect which has 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:18.680 made him immune debuck fever. Oh, he gets excited about 0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:20.800 seeing dear, but he never gets that feeling like his 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.560 heart is brought ready to jump out of his chest. 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.400 He's got that calm, steady hand because he's taken medications 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:31.000 specifically meant to prevent tachycardia. Tachycardia. That's right, man, You're 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.200 gonna get a lot of listeners jumping on the beta blockers. 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.319 And he says, I'm no super hunter by any means. 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:37.400 When this buck in the picture below came into view 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:42.640 in October, how as cool as could be? Yeah, no, 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:46.440 I can see that. But quite a few doctors have 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:50.520 told me and all agreed that beta blockers. Also, the 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.600 young people don't like them because they slow you down 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.080 so much. He's you have there's a look like taking him. 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.480 You just have a constant lethargy. Oh slow you down 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.160 a net way? Yeah, I don't know. Like they take 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.360 the hot the peaks and valleys, they take the peaks 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.719 out of life physically slow you don't. Yeah. So if 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.120 you're if you're hiking a hill, you know, you probably 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.360 had to just because you're heart it's not responding to 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:16.520 what your body's asking of it, so you had to 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:21.200 stop more often, you know. Yeah, so you're feeling what 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.359 this guy is saying. No, No, I've yeah, no, I've 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.960 had the beta blocker chat, you know, with anybody I've 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.919 talked to about about taking it. So if you're really 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.719 symptomatic and it's bothering you, and a lot of people 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:38.160 like that, Like I had an anxiety from having those 0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.719 you know, the symptoms, But once I was told that 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.120 there's nothing to worry about, I was able to just 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.080 put it out of my head and when it happens 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.319 now I'm like, Okay, it's fine, and I go back 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.200 to sleep or just go on with my thing. A 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.840 lot of people can't do that. In the anxiety just 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.040 builds and builds and builds, and so they're gonna take 0:39:56.120 --> 0:40:01.160 beta blockers to deal with it. If it was happening 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.800 to me twice a day, I'd probably taking beta blockers 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.360 because he just gets sick of it. Yeah, then just 0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:08.960 get into some kind of hunting where you don't need 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:12.319 to do a whole lot of walking, but you need 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.879 to do a whole lot of keeping calm. Sounds like, yeah, 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:21.000 started living in a tree stand. Um guy rolled in talk. 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.440 We remember talking about shooting squirrels, shooting squirrel nats when 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.239 you're a little kid, to try to rustle him out 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.839 or like to try to get him. I like how 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:29.879 when we were squirrel hunting the other day, your boy 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.960 was like, He's like, I just want to make sure, 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.560 but we can't shoot the squirrel nests right there. Yeah, 0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.480 he like anyone independently. It's nice when someone like independently 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.279 discover something that definitely occurred to him. Why not just 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:47.239 go ripping a couple of rounds up and each and 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.239 every one of these nests and then time out there 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.200 and have a look. We'll clive up there and see 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.879 what we got. Uh. This guy was saying in something, 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:59.440 there's states that explicitly state I haven't looked us up. 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.360 He said. The states that explicitly state you cannot shoot 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.600 into a squirrel nest makes sense. Um, he's talking about 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.480 he did it once when he was a kid, and 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:13.520 I don't know how. You don't know the squirrel flopped 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.640 out or he climbed up and got it out, but 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:17.440 he took it home to his grandma. His grandma was 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.840 pissed and she was yelling at him. She cooked the 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.359 squirrel still, but she was yelling at him, and she said, 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:27.680 that's like someone shooting you in your home. Which I 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.879 don't want someone shooting me no matter where I'm at. Yeah, 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.320 so if they're out on the branch or, is like 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.040 somebody shooting into your yard. And that's all right. Yeah, 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.160 it's like, oh it's chilling. Man. I was outside when 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.799 I got she was asking for it. Um, one last 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.879 thing before we getting some before we're getting some things 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.560 that are more questions and nature. But a guy was 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.040 saying he's got this idea he's come to think of. 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.440 You know, with people, right, you have like you have 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.359 like high class and you know you have class. There's 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.600 a class structure in America, right, It's like blue everybody 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:04.160 talks about blue collar. UM, affluent. He views deer. He 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.279 thinks that deer he thinks that the deer to live 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.319 on public land or blue collar deer, because I gotta 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:14.279 put up with all the bullshit man like getting shot at. 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.399 Just yeah, and he said, then there's like the high 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.719 class deer that lived down the private land. Nothing bad 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:26.239 that what happens to him. I don't know, feeding man 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:30.880 feeding all manner times through the day. So so is 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.000 it white colored people who are hunting white color deer 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:37.960 and blue color? He says he's worked this theory up. 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.480 He's running by a few people. Everyone doesn't like it. 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:44.640 His wife thinks it's stupid if he says, he's still 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.279 trying to work on it. But the basic outline of 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.080 it is there's blue collar deer and they stuck on 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:58.960 public lane as some merit some merit. I think it's 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:05.560 born's a warrants mentioned. Yeah, all right, here's one. It's 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.160 not on the big list. I let you guys all 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.440 look at this is a surprise question to you, but 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.200 I think it would be pretty easy. A friend of mine, 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:17.839 Patrick wrote in, and they they he's al all, he's 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.160 already sent me an email to tell me what happened here, 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.360 and uh so we have with the follow up already 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.680 but at the time when he wrote this, his cousin 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.840 ran into a situation that he had no real knowledge. 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:33.680 I was wondering if we could weigh him. His cousin 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.920 killed a large dough and they had cold temperatures, so 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:39.920 he decided just to hang it with a hide on 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:48.960 and leave it um, probably at home. He didn't say where, 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.000 but he says he hung it and then he got 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:55.000 to his place to butcher. And so after picking it up, 0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.400 and he realized that the face of the deer had 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.719 been slightly chewed on. And I saw the picture and 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.799 it looked like pretty much half of the muzzle had 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:04.680 been chewed off. So he's got to hang him by 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.640 the hocks. Yeah, he's got to hang him by the gambrel. Okay, 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.160 his cousin thought it was a raccoon. Maybe a possum. 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.440 Could have been a dog kyo, could have been all 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.360 kinds of creators. Really, That's why I'd like to know 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.279 where this is, because if it's in his garage and 0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.879 his dogs in the garage, I got it narrowed down. 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.440 It wasn't your ma. It sounds like it was out 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:29.239 in the woods. And then he brought it back. Now 0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:32.960 as cousin felt that he couldn't eat it because of this, 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.600 because he's dead deer had rabies, because there was a risk, 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.520 possible risk feeding it to his family, and at the 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.279 time he was gonna play on his burying everything and 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:49.239 returning it back to the earth. He's got a deer, 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.080 got it out, deer hanging, and something choos on his muzzle, 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.520 and he's gonna bury the deer, even even if the 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:59.439 thing that chewed on his muzzle had y vampire. Yeah. Yeah, 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.080 the deer's blood isn't circulating. I mean, unless you're planning 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.239 on doing like head cheese with that deer, which like 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:09.840 most people don't do like there there's absolutely no reason 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:15.960 that it got chewed on by a rabid animal. Rabies 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:19.080 is mostly eradicated. The dude looking to get rid of this, 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.200 the dude looking to get rid of a deer. Yeah, 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.040 certainly there is that possibility, but I think you guys 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.360 should to us, it seems like so well, of course, 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.879 but I think to a new hunter you could see 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.000 that and definitely be turned off and wondered like okay, 0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:39.719 which yes, yeah, yeah, because I had a coyote eat 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.520 on a or probably could have been a pack coyotes 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.439 eat on a cow elk one time that was left 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:46.160 in the woods a little bit too long, and I 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.720 came up to it and was like, I wasn't worried 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.520 about like I was gonna contract something, but I was 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:55.480 definitely like, what do I do here? How much? How 0:45:55.560 --> 0:46:00.520 much I'm factoring in? I'm putting like heavy emphasis on 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:05.279 the fact that it's it's it's his muzzle. Yeah for sure. 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.360 Now if he said eight all like eight half of 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:13.680 each bag ham, I would trim. I would definitely trim 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:18.680 around that. Yeah. Yeah, that's a different situation. Okay, Yeah, 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:23.920 I don't think it's a sidest point. Yeah. So Patrick 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:28.600 Patrick had a chat with him and they they who's 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:32.920 Patrick buddy mine? Yeah, he's given us some of this 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.120 is from within your social circle. That's why you're being 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:37.759 so oh no, no, no, he's a he's like an 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:42.840 acquaintance through meat eater. Um. But they came up with 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.239 the solution to can the whole thing, and then by 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:51.000 pressure cooking it, everybody everybody felt comfortable that there was nothing. 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.560 So yeah, so you're saying every time up you're like, well, boys, 0:46:55.760 --> 0:47:03.320 this bes rabid, but but I can't. It was it. 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.560 What's what's pressure cooking gonna do different than any other 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.520 kind of cooking? Isn't Listen, it's all in the guy's head, right. 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:14.080 But he didn't waste the animal. It didn't have to 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.040 go back to the earth. Oh no, God bless him. 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:23.359 I think he's deer real. I think I think I'm 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:26.279 I'm happy with the outcome. Okay about you guys, don't 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:29.240 feel like I wasted your time. No, it's a great question. 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.160 It's a great question. And we get a lot of 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:36.440 questions with people in situations that I feel are less obvious, 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:48.200 such as having it's typically coyotes, having coyotes eating hunks 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.440 of your stuff, and then people off and wheed like, 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:53.919 well what do you do? That? Told the story about 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.719 my brother that had a bear getting messes, situation all up, 0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:59.439 that buried all that mean, buried a bunch of the parts. 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.120 He walked aroun digging it all back up, took down 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:03.759 to create, gave it a bath, and went home and 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:08.080 ate it. Yeah, nothing wrong with it, that dude. He anything, 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.960 And it wasn't a rabid grizzly bear. I don't know 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:15.640 if he had he never got a test it. But yeah, 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.279 I mean I don't think it crossed his mind. This 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.000 is a guy that takes a little bits of trim 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.080 and puts it in a TopWare container and puts it 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.480 in his microwave for his dog, but it ends up 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:28.200 putting salt down and eating himself. One for you, one 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:35.200 for me. Oh yeah, I told you right that he was. 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:38.160 When we were in the tent that's falling together, he 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.839 was telling me that he felt feels like tender meat 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.160 and tender food is a fad that is going to 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.799 go away. Yeah, well, there are cultures that would agree 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:50.560 with them, are there. Yeah, don't you remember the chupic 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.719 mm hmm, the chupic eskimo. They were saying that the 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:57.600 parts they liked are the chewy parts. They talked about 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.880 meat being too tender. Of the caribou, Yeah, they like 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:04.480 the you know what, like every animal, all the ungulates 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.080 have it, but it's really exaggerated on like moose and 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:11.560 stuff that. Like there's if you picture something spine like, 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.319 let's let's picture something that's got a real obvious humph 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:18.040 Like take like a moose, right, and when you got 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:19.799 the spine and you got the blades that come up 0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:24.239 off the spine, those are called the thoracic processes. When 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:25.920 you got like an animal like that and you go 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.120 to the highest thorascic process, like on on a buffalo. 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:34.440 Those things be twenty inches long, you know, moose got 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:37.600 a big thorastic process. And then off that there's that cable. 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:44.080 It looks like a yellow cable. Giant tendon that runs 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:47.680 from that's fixed into those things, runs along the top 0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:51.279 of the neck and basically holds that head up. They're 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.600 talking about, like and to eat that thing. You remember this, 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:56.680 Sometimes I feel like you're not paying attention to stuff 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:01.400 that vainly remember having to converse station about enjoying the 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:05.040 tougher cuts with those boys. Yeah, like Callahan's throat roast 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.840 and stuff. Yeah, which to chew cuts, um, And there 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:11.120 are a lot of people who like prefer those chewy 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:13.600 wh who liked that chewy cut. So I think Matt 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.560 could beyond to something, or Matt could have been born 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:19.680 to the wrong culture. Matt's wife was explaining to me 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:24.560 how Matt is. He's in his tent. He's in his 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.360 teepy tent with his stove going. He's got like a 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:33.760 collapsible seek stove and he's in there cleaning up a skull, 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:39.160 elk skool, just not doing a snowstorm, and all the 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.480 little scrapings that he's cutting off. He just lays it 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:46.040 flat onto the stove, like no pan, no oil, and 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.960 just lays lays the trunks of meat out onto the 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:52.120 that's a good idea stove. And then just as he works, 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.880 that's what he has for a snack. You want to 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:59.200 talk about some tough bits, man, right, Yeah, that's so 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.640 he likes us a lot. He likes a chewy bit. 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:03.880 I feel that yellow cable has gotta be the chewiest 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:06.200 thing ever. I wonder if that's something that they're just 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:10.440 like kind of chewing on the past the time they're 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.520 talking about like and they cook some chewy meat, if 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:17.480 you remember, because they kind of like boil. They boil, 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:25.080 but not for long, just boil meat. Yeah, remember that, remember, 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:28.279 not being real impressed they're like flash boiled meat. Well, 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:30.960 because they they like to chew. They like to chew, 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.080 they like the cut. Here's a good one. Have you 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.040 noticed the difference in the taste of a fall black 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:41.839 bearon out of a spring bear? Yes, yeah, a big difference, man. 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:45.760 And then again it depends on we're gonna rule because 0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:49.239 everything gets squirrely. No, let's keep it open to the 0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:55.200 let's keep it open to nuance. Here if it has 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:59.600 the access to marine resources, meaning if it's a bear 0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:02.440 eats on salmon and you know, dead seals, it finds 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.960 washed up on the beach and whatnot. Uh, I feel 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:10.440 that they're better in the spring, especially fall bears that 0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:14.120 are on salmon are There are many, many exceptions. I'm 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:15.759 gonna people are gonna write it and be like it 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:20.560 does not true, but they are perceived. Black bears feeding 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:24.560 on salmon are perceived as being borderline inedible. And in 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:28.800 those marine areas, when bears in the spring are feeding 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:36.440 real heavily on vegetation, um, beach dry, you know, various 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:39.080 things they find and even little crabs and stuff from 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:42.319 unt of the rocks, they're regarded as being much more 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.200 palatable and better than fall bears. I think that that 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:50.680 becomes reversed for other reasons when you're talking about bears 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.360 that are not have access to marine resources such as 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.880 salmon runs. Because in the fall, thre eating a lot 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.320 of masks, thre eating a lot of berries, They're putting 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:02.399 on a good layer of fat. They have very good 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.319 fat for making large, and I think they're better than 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.400 to fall, but I don't I would suggest that doesn't 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:12.920 vary as much with interior bears, not as much variation, 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.320 because I mean I've eaten I've eaten a number of 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:19.200 different spring black bears from Montana that were just fabulous, 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:21.759 couldn't anything. Yeah, there's no off taste in meat, but 0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:25.200 you don't have They're not like his robust and fatty, right, 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:27.560 and bear fat is good, yeah, but they'll still carry 0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:30.560 a pretty healthy layer of fat sometimes in the spring. 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.640 You see them good and fatty in the spring. So 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:35.239 I can't think of ever like getting one. You could 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.839 actually render large off in the spring, but the spring 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.120 is a big window too, right. I remember I got 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.120 one on April seventeen, which is early. You can hunt 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:46.480 him to mid June. In Montana, there's some units and 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:48.400 then guys up Canada are hunting them into June. By 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.520 that time he's had two months to eat, so you 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.000 can be packing on some weight. Another guy road In says, 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:57.080 does bear lard go bad? Yeah, large goes bad? Now 0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:59.880 large by definition that you've rendered it right, So you 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.000 gotten the impurities out and you got the water out 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:04.759 but I wound up just as a test when I 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:11.160 the animal that I wrote American that kind of like 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.800 the animal I wrote American Buffalo about my book. I 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:18.000 rendered a bunch of um. He had a real orangey 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:22.279 fat on them, because they like you know, process the 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.720 caroteen and things and they get like a nice orange, 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.960 yellowy fat in late summer. It's my understanding of how 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:30.680 that works. And I rendered a bunch of it out 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.360 and made a bunch of basically beef are because that 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:37.919 fat's good. Oh yeah, that that fat like beef fat, 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.279 not like tallow It's not like venison. It's not like 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:44.160 the waxy venison fat, which is which varies in it's 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:49.399 which varies in quality throughout the country in the time 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.920 of year, I believe. But their fat is good, like 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.000 you can leave the fat on and grill it and 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:55.560 it's good. And I have kind of the same color 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.680 as like duck fat. Yep, oh you know, cool yellowy 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:04.760 or that yellowy orange like kind of a not great 0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:07.480 looking like you imagine orange that has like a not 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:11.960 super just yellow orange. Leave it at that. I rendered 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:13.360 a bunch of it out because there's a lot of 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:17.120 it on there. Um And I kept one. I liked 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.520 having it so much that I didn't jar it and 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:21.480 seal at pressure, seal it right now, just kept it 0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.960 in the jar. And I must have kept that stuff 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.600 for seven I kept one little pint sized jar just 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:28.600 for just because I like to have it in my fridge. 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:32.480 I like looking at it. Um Over time, it was 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.000 like this beautiful color in the beginning, and over time 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.680 it just turned kind of gray, and eventually I thought 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.040 it's some out and it had gone ransom. They had 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.800 gone ransom. And if you leave, that's like one of 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:44.680 the things like you if you leave. So he's talking 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:47.160 about bear lard, which has been rendered, But if you 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:51.399 leave fat on a bear in your freezer, it will 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:55.680 it will go south on you in your freezer. You 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:58.160 need to trim that stuff off when you freeze bear meat. 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:00.600 But I don't know what it is about fat, but 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:05.200 the salmon fat goes bad. And yeah, there's a lot 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.480 of stuff that goes wrong with salmon in the freezer. Well, 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:09.960 I think that fat in general, you just like most 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:14.920 freezers aren't keeping it cold enough from preserving. Probably the 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:17.960 only reason I know that kind of I feel like 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.600 it would work with wild game fat when it does 0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:23.359 work with wild game. Is because an uncle of mine 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:31.200 uh owns a place where they sell uh dipping dots 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.759 ice cream, I believe is what it's called here about 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.400 that all the time, I don't understand what. Yeah, I've 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:39.319 never tried it myself either, but it's it's so high 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.520 and fat. I guess that they had to put in 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:45.000 when they became a purveyor of this product, they put 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:48.040 in a freezer. That's the first time said purveyor on 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:54.680 this show. I guarantee it. I like that that it's 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:57.319 got to be kept at like minus thirty or something 0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.080 instead of just zero like a normal commercial freezer is 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:03.040 or whatever. And he killed an elp and he's like, yeah, man, 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.440 six years later, still eating on that thing, and I 0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:08.040 swear it was like every bit as good as it was, 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.000 you know, six months after it because he had a 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.000 high class freezer. Yeah, because he felt like it was 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.520 keeping it so cold and his preserving it that much better. Yeah, 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.760 those dipping dots are a weird consistency. I could see 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.400 how you maybe have to do something different. He's just 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.760 taken like a one roast per Christmas and that was it. 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:29.439 Seriously through an elk in six months go ahead or anyone. Um. Yeah, Well, 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:33.280 we all decided that this um was a good question, 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.520 and this guy actually prepped his question with I'm hoping 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:39.919 that it's the question of the century. Yeah. I don't 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:41.960 need to hear that. I don't need to hear that, 0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:46.480 because Keith I can tell you that it's not. But 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.800 I thought we're getting a laugh out of the way 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:55.160 you're presenting it. So he he asks, Let's say you're 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.640 on a budget and God comes down and holds a 0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:02.600 gun near your head. Okay, four forces you to choose 0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:10.520 between high end boots or high end glass, meaning optics. 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:12.240 I've turned around grab that gun out of his hand 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:16.920 so fast. But let's just say, I don't think it's 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:19.800 you're saying. It's not what you're saying. God's not being 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:21.680 fair with that question. No, I don't want to do 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:22.919 I don't want I don't want to black. I don't 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:26.040 want to I don't want a blastpheme. But I'll say that, Um, 0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:30.040 I gotta know more. I gotta know what you're up 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:35.640 to if you're a chucker hunter boots. Good point. Good point. 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.240 Let's say a big game. Let's say Western big game 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:44.840 optics for me, yeah, I feel like I think, like 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:47.080 nice boots, but you can you can get it good. 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:50.880 You can get a good pair of boots for less 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:54.480 than you couldn't get it really, you know, expensive pair 0:58:54.480 --> 0:59:01.160 of boots. Yeah, you just keep wearing, you know, and uh, 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:03.600 if you had to, you can hunt and bare feet 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:06.360 and make some mocks sins. Yeah. And the thing is 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:08.680 too if you get if you buy right on knocks, 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:12.520 like if you buy like you buy a pair of 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.280 Vortex knocks, you get great knocks. They're not gonna kill 0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:21.360 you on cost. And if your house burns down, they 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:23.520 replace them as long as you got something to show 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.280 for him. And I still got the lanyard. And even 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:28.480 the most expensive boots I've ever had in my life, 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:30.479 they still last me like a season and a half. 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:32.640 You can't wear out boots and send them in. You 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:34.800 can wear out knocks and send them in. You can 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:38.240 with some companies. I sent in a sending a pair 0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:40.720 of last year, and they re rebuilt them for me 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:44.280 for like thirty bucks. Rebuilt that's true on them. They 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.280 didn't put a new soul on them for me. That 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:49.000 was like another like hundred and twenty five or something. 0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:52.600 I was like, yeah, these will just be my pack 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:57.000 boots and you can send in to get redone, and 0:59:57.080 --> 0:59:59.280 like like White's pack boots, you can send in to 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:04.040 get redone. These are kind of tracks got you. Okay, 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:07.640 so you can't a little bit, but not the same way. 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.320 You're not bringing them back. I'm still not giving it 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:13.640 the fact that it just really depends. But in general, 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:16.240 let's say, okay, so my life, the way my life 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:21.000 is like what I do, all the things I do. Man, 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:24.560 it's really tough because it just really depends. I've said 1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:27.000 a thousand times. I've just's got a gun to your 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.480 head right now. Man, Well that's that's why it doesn't 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:32.600 like equivocation. Let's go, let's go to last weekend squirrel hunt, 1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:38.240 pretty mellow walk about knocks, Right, you're still going to 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.080 choose that could have been out there and flip flops. 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:48.160 I wouldn't liked it a little bit, even kind of Morgan, 1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:52.360 you're you're with knocks too. Yep, I'm on the glass. Sorry, Keith, 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:55.080 good question, but not the best of the SENTI to 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:57.520 be the question of the century. You're only gonna live, 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:01.200 like all of us in this room, we'll touch into 1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:04.320 our early eighties. And will die, So that would have 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:07.120 to be you didn't even get a full century when 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:10.480 it's all said and done. Generally, he's saying that he 1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:13.880 would have had the so in all your entire life, 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:16.920 that that would be the best question. Like you're on 1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:22.720 your dying bed, You're you're dying and like someone says, 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:24.760 you know in all these years, man, like you know 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:28.560 as you fade out of consciousness, Um, what was the 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:31.880 what was the best question you've ever heard? Right? Really 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:34.760 obscure hypothetical. I came up one time and emailed to 1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:37.640 a podcast. It's kind of like the ever debatable question. 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:39.919 People are expecting him to be like, what's the meaning 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:43.800 of it all? Or like this is really the end? 1:01:43.840 --> 1:01:45.520 There is it only the beginning? But he'd be like, 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:49.840 answ your boots. You gotta lean down into his ear 1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:55.520 to hear it, into his mouth to hear it. Okay, 1:01:55.600 --> 1:01:59.280 here's one. Why are some squirrels tougher than others? I 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.760 think its age definitely? Why you? Why are you peeking 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:04.760 over my area? I want to see what you're working 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:08.919 off of over there? Why are some squirrels tougher and others? 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:13.840 Are you getting frustrated with? What's on, He's like, he 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:16.360 cooks up he was cooking up some buffalo hot legs. 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:18.840 Kudos to him. He's cooking up some buffalo hot legs 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:21.680 from the Meatator Fishing Game cookbook available now. And uh 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:27.240 and he's noticing how some are real, a real bite, 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:30.440 and some are just phenomenal. And he says it doesn't 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:35.000 seem to be related to size. M hmm. I think 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:38.720 I believe that it's a function of age. Well is 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:40.880 he is he assumed? Are we assuming that he shot 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:44.000 all those squirrels and one outing? You know, because if 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:47.600 if one it was was sitting in the fridge or 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:51.200 freezer longer could understand why that would have that the 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:54.640 meat would have aged good idea. We're uh, yeah, he's 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:57.600 gonna start a thing. Can I talk about this? I 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:01.080 think so, I don't know what you're talking about. For 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:05.680 questions like this, for questions like this, where you go 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:08.360 you get the question, you're like, yeah, there's gotta be 1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:11.920 more to the story. Yeah, Yani is gonna start a 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:18.440 thing called ask the Eagle where you get where when 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:20.840 you when you're like, what really happened? Because it'd be 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:22.360 like someone be like, oh, you know, I was out 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:25.080 and Um, you know, a guy shot at me and 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:30.320 I shot at him. Who was right? And be like 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:32.479 I just gotta have to get him on the phone 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:34.959 to find out, Like a little more so, this would 1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:36.600 be a good thing to ask the eagle because then 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:38.720 you can dig in and get him on the phone 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:42.920 and find out what exactly, because he might not know 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:46.160 that to ask the right questions. Yeah, there's a lot 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:48.120 of factors that go into that kind of stuff that 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:51.160 can be pretty easily missed. I didn't start to pay 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:53.360 attention to aging until a couple of years ago. When 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:57.360 I'm not saying aging age, Yeah, yeah, no, I I agree, 1:03:57.400 --> 1:03:59.600 I was. Yeah, I'm addressing both. Suppose because like in 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:03.080 the Scope the A's cookbook lagi q lan Air, he 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:07.840 says that he only will cook a rabbit if you 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:10.800 can tear the rabbit's ear like paper. I mean, you 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:12.640 should just be all grab it like you're ripping paper. 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:18.360 And after young rabbits look at you know, young cottail 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:21.040 or hair. When he's dead, you can grab its ear 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:22.240 and you should be able to go like this and 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:25.880 you can tear the ear. That's a young rabbit, that 1:04:26.360 --> 1:04:29.360 that is okay to cook. And he could afford to 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:33.400 be picky. I mean, he's like my brothers would have 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:36.240 been perfect for that. He was chasing a rabbit around 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:38.200 a brush pile for like forty five minutes and he 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:41.160 probably had ten holes in his ear from the brush well, 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:43.000 no from him shooting at twenty two at it and 1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:45.680 missing him, just hitting his ears, so it was like perforated. 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:48.160 So then yeah, that he might have had a false positive. 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:52.520 Just Scoffe mentioned what he did with the rabbits that 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:57.160 whose ears he couldn't rip, He probably would have ground 1:04:57.280 --> 1:05:00.320 them up and used them for dog food. No, he 1:05:00.360 --> 1:05:02.120 would have ground them up and use them in in 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:05.160 pattes and to make canals and stuff like that would 1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:07.800 be my guests. But for these, you know, for his 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:11.480 preparations of like whole muscle preparations, he liked to be 1:05:11.520 --> 1:05:13.320 able to tear the ear and then you knew he 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:16.800 had a nice tender specimen. I might start doing that, 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.200 and then I'm just gonna turn my other rabbits like 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:23.600 Kevin Murphy did, into rots. It's not a bad idea, 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:27.840 because man, those were good. Yeah, rabbit brots, white brots, 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:33.160 fat man, I forgot about those rabbit bros. Yeah, those 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.880 were delicious. Some bitch. We should put that in the cookbook. 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:38.600 What kind of spices you throw in there? What's a 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:41.240 flavor profile? Oh? Man, I don't know if I can 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:45.080 remember off that my head. Oh like just for brots, 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:49.240 for those like white pepper, corianders, a bunch of things 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:52.520 you put in brods. Yeah, people put mace in the rocks. Yeah, 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:57.720 but that pretty classic beer brody, you know, not Italian 1:05:57.960 --> 1:06:01.600 not you know, there's no spice, you know, mild beer 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:08.280 brody kind of flavor. What else you got seacon of 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:15.280 eating wild game? He said? He says, He says it's 1:06:15.280 --> 1:06:18.760 a wild game logistical question. He hasn't found a definitive 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:21.920 answer too, after a decent amount of research, which is 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:24.240 so I'm just guessing that nobody's in a blog post 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:30.720 about it. I have searched high and low. How's he's 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:32.320 on the library looking up the card You open up 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:36.480 the card catalog. How much wild game do you think 1:06:36.560 --> 1:06:40.360 it takes to feed a family of four? And then specifically, 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:43.160 he asked, you, guys, keep track of how many animals 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:48.640 you and your family eating a given year. It's hard 1:06:48.640 --> 1:06:51.960 to answer, just depends on your habits, right, Like, well, 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:53.800 let me do for instance, I was having this conversation 1:06:53.800 --> 1:07:02.200 with Brodie. Here you got family of four, very strict 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:06.000 wild game diet. Brody's got through a coyle, moose, cow, 1:07:06.080 --> 1:07:12.560 elk and a box that's like you know, eating at home, 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:15.120 and when you're eating at home, you're eating and he 1:07:15.240 --> 1:07:17.200 throws down heavy on game and then a variety of 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:19.720 small games thrown in. I kind of look at it 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:21.440 because I could do a lot of, like you know, 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:25.080 I get to do like a fair bit of It's 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:27.400 harder for me to answer because we fish a lot 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:31.120 um small game a lot. But then the other thing 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.120 is is we when we're out, like most of my 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:37.440 hunting is when we're out filming the TV show. And 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:39.480 so then we have a crew, and with our crew 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:42.240 we divide out, so like if we get an elk, 1:07:42.840 --> 1:07:44.720 you're like, oh, there's an elk, but then it's it's 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:46.240 the sixth of an elk or a fourth of an 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:48.600 elk when we divide out for because we split out 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:52.000 for the crew, so I never get like an accurate count. 1:07:53.640 --> 1:07:56.080 And then I also get a lot of stuff from 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:59.480 buddies right where Buddy minal whatever, Buddy min will get 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:01.720 a wild hell oh you know here here's a pig 1:08:01.800 --> 1:08:05.320 leg and then later I catch some salmon and I'll be, oh, 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:07.400 bro here's a couple of salmon flays. So it's like, 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:10.360 I never like look at it in terms of but 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:13.440 Brody has a good count. But that's that's not extreme, 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:17.400 but it's pretty that's a lot. Yeah, but it seems 1:08:17.400 --> 1:08:18.960 like a lot. I don't think it is. I know 1:08:19.120 --> 1:08:24.519 that because he's devoted. Yeah, before um, I had kids 1:08:24.760 --> 1:08:27.880 and so it's because kids and met a kind of 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:30.280 started the same time for me. But prior to that, 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:32.920 my wife and I would go through to elk no 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:36.960 problem every year. And it wasn't like, you know, we 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:41.920 ate elk, but it wasn't like we were trying to 1:08:42.000 --> 1:08:44.360 eat elk five times a week. You know. It's just 1:08:44.439 --> 1:08:46.400 like when we when we ate read meat, that's what 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:48.200 we ate. But there's no problem to go through to 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:51.400 two cow elk. It depends on how you're cooking, too, 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:54.800 because if you get like, if you're sitting high on 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:57.479 the hog, right, you got a full freezer, which is 1:08:57.560 --> 1:08:59.559 how I look at it. But I just always watching 1:08:59.600 --> 1:09:04.320 my free your levels. But you know, if you're sitting 1:09:04.360 --> 1:09:07.080 pretty you might be doing things you're doing like big rows. 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:12.520 If you're sitting thin, you might be making like fajitas 1:09:12.600 --> 1:09:14.080 or something right where it. So you take like a 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:16.200 you could have family five sown and you get one 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:20.280 pound of like a one pound roll stout and make 1:09:20.360 --> 1:09:23.960 like a dish that has like the nice flavor and 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:26.479 it's fun and everything, and it's like a wild game dish. 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:30.000 But it's not like you're sitting down and laying out 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:33.240 big rolls where people are eating wedges off that thing. 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:37.000 So just it just depends so much. Yeah, I feel 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:38.880 like I've heard like one guy can take down an 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:42.360 elk throughout the year, like that's kind of the ratio. Sure, 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:46.160 but I mean it's subjective like how you're eating. Absolutely yeah, 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:47.880 but you yeah, I think that one person who's a 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:52.200 dedicated wild game eater is puts the elk in the 1:09:52.280 --> 1:09:56.519 freezer and you got, yeah, you got like a with 1:09:56.960 --> 1:09:58.599 that you could probably even have you could be having 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:01.599 a little breakfast sausage. Now. Then when someone says an 1:10:01.720 --> 1:10:05.439 elk that could be as little as sixty five or 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:16.479 seventy five pounds of meat, Yeah, exactly, So big variants there. Um, yeah, 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:17.920 I'm gonna get better at that. You know who I'm 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:19.559 gonna ask and get and we'll bring this up. There's 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:23.000 no you can't get better at it. There's no because listen, 1:10:23.080 --> 1:10:28.800 what you could do is by weight. You could very 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:32.280 easily just be have a scale in the kitchen and 1:10:32.400 --> 1:10:34.400 every time you go to cook, you just, you know, 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:37.439 weigh it, make a little note somewhere, and at the 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:39.400 end of the year you tally it up and say, 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:42.280 you know what, we ate three d pounds elk, thirty 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:46.040 pounds of turkeys perch flats, like there's two pounds perch 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:50.840 plays right, write it down there, you go, let's do it. Yeah, 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:52.840 that'd be cool man, to have a little list. You 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:54.599 take it out, weigh it, write it down, and then 1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:57.040 you'd be like, oh, so we ate seventy some pounds 1:10:57.080 --> 1:11:00.519 of venison, thirteen pounds of perch filets, x pounds of 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:03.320 catfish pile AT's And then if you wanted to, you 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:09.880 could take cucumbers, averages all those animals, and then you 1:11:10.000 --> 1:11:14.120 could say I ate roughly x pounds wild game to elk, 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:17.040 and roughly for turkeys. Yeah, man, because I feel like 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:19.800 I could amount of stuff I kill. I mean, I'm 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:24.400 mostly cooking for one I could eat while game, breakfast, lunch, 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:27.320 and dinner every day of the year and still have 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:31.040 game left over. And then you got like social media 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:38.000 personalities who there's no you can't account there's no possible 1:11:38.040 --> 1:11:40.880 way to account for all of the stuff they kill, 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:44.640 and they're like, wow, game bro, Wow, game bro. You 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:48.000 realize dude, you shot thousands and thousands of pounds of meat. 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:53.439 Where'd that all go? So yeah, you wind up like 1:11:53.720 --> 1:11:56.640 it's just like I know enough to know when's like 1:11:56.720 --> 1:11:59.320 I don't enough to know when when I see something 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:01.800 little fish, and then you kind of know enough to 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:06.280 know when you I don't know nothing but tender lewins. 1:12:06.320 --> 1:12:09.479 Oh yeah, I've had people level that at me, Like 1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:12.120 I last year, I killed a bowl elk elk and 1:12:12.160 --> 1:12:14.880 too mature mule here bucks and that's way more than 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:17.439 one man can can eat in a year. But I 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.400 went home a couple of times and filled my YETI 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:23.080 one oh five to the brim and gave it to 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:25.479 my parents, gave it my cousins, give me an uncle 1:12:25.760 --> 1:12:29.160 and the party with it. Yeah, exactly, smoke something, party 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:31.479 with some it's some fun thing to do and then 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:33.439 like do some sharkottery just like kind of like yeah, 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:35.000 around with some experiments of what you want to do. 1:12:35.840 --> 1:12:38.920 And when I live in Seattle, I practice a lot 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:41.920 of wild game diplomacy with the people around. But that 1:12:42.080 --> 1:12:46.200 with that kind of thing, I would uh, because I 1:12:46.920 --> 1:12:48.960 lived around a bunch of people that had no connection 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.800 to like this kind of little connection to fishing, like 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:56.559 absolutely no connection or idea about hunting. And um, I'm 1:12:56.600 --> 1:13:00.200 thinking primarily three, like my three most immediate neighbors, and 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:04.599 I would bring them a lot, but I would bring 1:13:04.720 --> 1:13:08.880 them not so much sometimes frozen, but I would bring 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:14.439 them recipe ready stuff, not like you're trying to dump, 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:18.200 you know, some frozen game bag full of Harry trim 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:21.360 off on someone's doorstep. But I would bring them like, 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:24.880 here's the thing, right, it's trimmed. Here's what I would 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:29.000 suggest you do with it. You know, here's a fish flat. 1:13:29.120 --> 1:13:33.000 I pulled the pin bones and and it was it 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.320 was cool man. So yeah, yeah, I do do a 1:13:35.400 --> 1:13:39.000 lot of I do give and receive a lot of 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:44.799 uh wild game gifts. But here's another way to approach 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:48.120 answering it. Let's say you take a turkey. So you 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:53.040 got you, you're you and your husband, you and your husband, 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:56.040 you shoot a turkey, and you're gonna cook for you 1:13:56.120 --> 1:14:01.439 and your husband. I think that you have each lobe 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:06.280 of the breast is a meal or two for you 1:14:06.360 --> 1:14:11.240 and your husband. The two drumsticks, depending if you're like 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:14.200 if you're let's say you make soup with the two drumsticks. 1:14:14.280 --> 1:14:17.160 There's a couple of meals, a few meals for you 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:20.960 and your husband, and you smoke up the wing pieces 1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:23.960 and add them to a gumbo or whatever, and there's 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.599 like an additional part for the meal. Or you take 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:28.519 all of that. You've got a big old time that 1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:32.120 tom ways twenty pounds. You take all that you want 1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:34.200 to make breakfast sausage out of it, you wind up 1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:36.800 with like eight pounds of turkey meat. You cut in 1:14:37.800 --> 1:14:42.240 a substantial amount of pork trim, so you put in 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:45.880 four pounds of pork trim. You make a twelve pound 1:14:46.040 --> 1:14:49.000 batch of apple turkey breakfast sausage out of the mediator. 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:54.120 Fishing game cookbooks say um, and then you frap little 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:56.240 patties for your breakfast and stuff you can you can 1:14:56.280 --> 1:15:00.920 eat it twenty five times. There's lots of great ways 1:15:00.920 --> 1:15:05.479 to stretch it out like that. What's next? You got one? 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:07.840 You said you gotta listen a mile along. Yeah, but 1:15:07.880 --> 1:15:10.840 I want you hit me one of years. I can 1:15:11.000 --> 1:15:14.640 keep going. I'll do one. Lots of questions about this. 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:16.800 What are those little things around the end of y'all 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:19.920 shooting irons? That's what he says. Is it tape? Do 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:22.200 you just shoot through it? Does it affect the bullet? 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:27.439 Why is it even there? Yes, um, all of the 1:15:27.520 --> 1:15:30.639 above and no. So it's yes. And now I'll start 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:33.080 with yes. Is yes, it's tape, But it could be 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:36.760 any number of things. It's like, it's common practice. If 1:15:36.800 --> 1:15:41.120 you're around mud, if you're around a lot of rain, 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:45.800 especially rain that could become freezing rain, snow that you're 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:51.160 around snow, Um, you could get things that get into 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:55.559 that obstruct your barrel by getting into your muzzle. Um, 1:15:55.840 --> 1:16:00.160 And and it's a good idea to keep that stuff out. 1:16:00.560 --> 1:16:02.600 You can keep it out. There's thousands of ways of 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:05.880 doing this. They make. Some guys will use finger cots, 1:16:06.640 --> 1:16:09.400 which is a little condom looking and prophylactic looking a 1:16:09.400 --> 1:16:12.519 little deally. You know what prophylactic means. It just means 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:18.640 disease prevention device, something that prevents disease. UM doesn't necessarily 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:23.720 mean a prophylactic. How we would how you'd use it, Uh, 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:25.680 put a finger coot over your barrel. I don't like 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:28.679 those because they break and they seem to get brittle 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:31.360 when it's super cold out and they just don't last 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:33.960 that long. Or you can take like a little piece 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:38.720 of ziplock baggy or anything and place it over the 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:40.840 muzzle and wrap a piece of medical tape, which is 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:44.680 what I do quite often over it. Electrical tape. You 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:46.800 put a piece over it and then put a wrap 1:16:46.960 --> 1:16:50.360 around it to keep it from peeling off. I mean, 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:54.719 there's a thousand things, and it's just to keep junk 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:57.040 out of there. Yeah. The thing I think people are 1:16:57.120 --> 1:17:00.439 really afraid of that can cause real trouble and injury. 1:17:01.520 --> 1:17:04.680 I've never had a barrel blow up from from and obstruction, 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:07.400 but the stories you hear would be that you got 1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:11.160 a bunch of wet snow in there, You got a 1:17:11.200 --> 1:17:13.519 bunch of water in there, and then it got cold 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.360 and it froze and and like formed a block ice 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:22.080 that was like adhered to the walls you know the 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:26.760 inside of your barrel or you know the inside of 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:31.880 the bore, and you could potentially blow your gun up. Yeah, 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:33.679 because the amount of pressure that can build up in there, 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:36.400 either that or like a wet mud, like a clay 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:38.479 mud or something like that. Yeah, the stories you hear 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:41.160 most or something got in there and froze solid. But 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:44.439 I've never had it happened. But I just do it 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.599 because why it's so easy to do it, and there's 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:48.640 no negative, Like why not do it if you're in 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:50.880 a place that's real wet and nasty. Yeah, And I've 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:53.280 had I've been asked that this question a number of 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:56.599 times because I've always my whole life have put electrical 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:58.680 tape around the barrel of a guy. I mean, my 1:17:58.800 --> 1:18:00.960 dad taught me that when we first went deer hunting. 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.920 So it's always seemed like normalist thing in the world. 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:05.600 But a lot of friends have asked me about that, 1:18:05.760 --> 1:18:07.920 and people are always what does that mess with your 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.640 bullet flight? Does that slow it down? Like, man, I 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:14.439 really don't think so, Like you know, rifle blasts and 1:18:14.520 --> 1:18:19.200 muzzle blast, that tape probably gone before the bullet. Yeah. 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:20.720 This last trip poem, I went down and talked to 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:22.639 a buddy. He's like friend of mine from high school, 1:18:22.640 --> 1:18:24.720 and he turned into a Kansas Highway patrol state like 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:27.800 swat sniper and I asked him specifically on that, and 1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:30.000 he said that like the gases pushing forward knocks that 1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:33.040 out way in advance to like affect that bullet. There's 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:35.839 nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I've talked to all manner 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:39.920 of of of high end shooters who would know enough 1:18:40.000 --> 1:18:44.920 to know, and the consensus for sure is that it 1:18:45.800 --> 1:18:48.320 doesn't do it. And it went early on when I 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.120 really first got onto doing that. If I had something heavy, 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:55.240 like like electrical tape, I would oftentimes if I was 1:18:55.280 --> 1:18:57.800 in the moment of truth, I'd oftentimes catch myself reaching 1:18:57.840 --> 1:18:59.400 out there to peel it off. Just that a little 1:18:59.400 --> 1:19:03.240 bit of nervous. But yeah, I've shot through it many 1:19:03.320 --> 1:19:05.479 many times. Um, I haven't done a lot of I 1:19:05.560 --> 1:19:08.200 haven't done like a rigid round of range testing on 1:19:08.320 --> 1:19:10.240 it to be interesting to do it be interesting, But 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:12.360 I just there's so many people whose opinion I trust, 1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:16.080 who I've talked to about it, that it's Yanni's got 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:18.920 opinions by sitting there though so quiet. Um No, I mean, 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:21.080 I can just say that I've tried it at the 1:19:21.200 --> 1:19:24.240 range and I've shot the same size groups shooting through 1:19:24.800 --> 1:19:28.639 tape as I have, you know, just with a without 1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:33.439 tape on my be a fun little video to shoot. Yeah, 1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:36.640 for sure, there's people that have done it on the 1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:42.680 old YouTube. Um, but yeah, it's the way to be man, 1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:49.120 keep it protected. Okay, your turn? Uh you boys got you? 1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:50.880 Guys got burned in one year? Yeah, I got one. 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:53.280 I'd love to talk about. Go for it, Sam, Yeah, 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:55.880 I was looking at this one. This guy says, I 1:19:56.000 --> 1:19:59.200 joined Instagram recently and have already seen a few instances 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:02.040 of anti would hunter sentiment. Of course, it shouldn't matter 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:04.439 to an ethical law by any hunter what others think. 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:07.840 But I was curious what exactly counts as road hunting. 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:10.680 On the extreme, one could strictly define it as someone 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:13.040 who drives around all day glassing from the truck or 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:16.400 a TV, really rarely leaving the car until an animals found. 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:20.759 Is this actually illegal in some states as a parenthetical clause? 1:20:20.920 --> 1:20:22.800 But there's a spectrum here. I wonder what the where 1:20:22.840 --> 1:20:28.479 the line is typically drawn. Mm hmm, you're gonna start, 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:31.760 I'll start. I don't give a ship go ahead. This 1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:33.840 is coming from a guy that does a fair bit 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:37.320 of road hunt, meaning like like he's right, it's hard 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:40.680 to define if the other day we were out uh 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:43.639 me and Yanni were oute messing around, and we stopped 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:48.000 a vehicle, rolled the window down, and we're glass and 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:54.719 some sandstone outcrops for cotton tales. I mean, let's be straight, 1:20:57.520 --> 1:21:01.840 if we'd have found one, we'd gone after it. So 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:06.120 it's like, right there, there's a spot I want to 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:08.960 go check for cotton tails not long from now, and 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:11.400 my and and and what I'm gonna do before I 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:13.360 get rolling is I'm gonna go and check a bunch 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:16.240 of little willow bottoms that I could pretty much look 1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:18.439 out the window to see if they're they're tracked up. 1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:21.680 I keep a window mount and my spotting scope in 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:23.160 my truck that so if I can just roll down 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:26.920 the window, mount up to scope and look out, that's yeah. 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:29.800 But is that scouting or is that hunting? Well? I 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:31.400 was damn sure hunting all day when I was looking 1:21:31.400 --> 1:21:33.400 for cotton tails on those these outcrops, because if I 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:35.040 would have found one, I would have got. I would 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:37.519 have got, we'd have got the kids out and gone 1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:40.040 and one after it, and we'd have glassed it up 1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:42.679 from the rig. I think when people use road hunter 1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:45.280 in a in a negative way, it would be like 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:51.160 hut the window shooting out like shooting out of which 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:53.599 is illegal. So it's illegal to shoot out of your truck. 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:55.720 Depending it's illegal to shoot out of your truck if 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:59.120 you're on a maintained road, so you can't shoot from 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:03.800 a cross from the right up from the legal right 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:08.439 away of roads. So I think when people talk about 1:22:08.479 --> 1:22:11.479 a road like when when if someone uses road hunter negatively, 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:16.000 I think it's like someone who's hunt plan. Okay, their 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:23.080 hunt plan is to drive around heater blasting um yeah, 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:26.719 eating chester fried chicken. They bought the gas station, knocking 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:29.200 that back, with the plan being that they're gonna find 1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:32.160 something and shoot it from out the truck window. Uh, 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:36.320 laws be damned. I don't know, Like that's what comes 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:38.240 to my mind. Well, and there's a lot of Western 1:22:38.320 --> 1:22:40.960 hunters who who don't want to shoot a deer and 1:22:41.040 --> 1:22:44.920 elk more than quarter miles from the road, because how 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:46.280 the hell else are you going to get back to 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:49.000 the house and everyone looks like you could be driving 1:22:49.880 --> 1:22:54.439 along um headed to a place that you intend to 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:58.960 begin walking. I've had this turkey hunt driv into my 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:01.320 turkey hunting spot. I remember one time I was with 1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:03.360 my late buddy Eric Current and we're driving our turkey 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:07.680 on spot. We crossed over a drainage and we look 1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:11.880 and see some turkeys. Right. We were actually in the 1:23:11.960 --> 1:23:13.760 truth be told. We were actually had to a place 1:23:13.960 --> 1:23:15.760 we we hunt turkeys in a place where you had 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:18.400 to you had to to hunt it realistically, you had 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:21.760 to hike in and sleep out. But it wasn't like 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:25.240 we like, we see these turkeys and we just pulled 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:26.920 over once and started to try to work the birds. 1:23:27.040 --> 1:23:28.719 So someone like, oh, there's a bunch of road hunters. 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:30.720 But you know, it's funny you mentioned at the moment, 1:23:31.080 --> 1:23:32.640 at the moment you caught me. Sure. A friend of 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:34.360 my dad's when I was growing up, I remember we 1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:39.000 were turkey hunting in eastern Washington, and I remember him saying, oh, 1:23:39.080 --> 1:23:42.840 even if I saw dirty pound tom from the truck, 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.599 I'd never shoot it. Never. I'd never shoot an animal 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:48.240 I spotted from the truck. And he spotted from the truck. 1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:50.960 That's because you're not hunting, you're not out on foot. 1:23:51.160 --> 1:23:53.040 And that was just like that was his own, like 1:23:53.360 --> 1:23:56.599 Etho surround would Yeah, I would never block a fella 1:23:57.000 --> 1:24:01.960 from having his own. Everybody sets out there on guardrails, right, absolutely, 1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:04.280 But I mean I've done that. I've done that too 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:06.880 my dear camp this year. The first day we drove 1:24:06.960 --> 1:24:09.959 out there, we we saw enough bucks between our campground 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:11.840 and the trailhead that we all could have tagged out 1:24:11.880 --> 1:24:15.360 in the first hour of the first day, and none 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:17.960 of us took a shot because we were just getting 1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:19.800 out there. And I was like, Oh, this isn't this 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.160 isn't how we this is how we pictured. It isn't 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:25.000 the experience we were looking for. So I think that's 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:27.280 what it comes down to for some people. So I 1:24:27.320 --> 1:24:30.960 wouldn't I wouldn't begrudge folks who, you know, don't feel 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:35.599 comfortable walking around a lot too back roads in Montana, 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:37.960 driving around trying to figure out where the deer are 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:40.080 and then get out and do it, do it right. 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:43.439 But you know, personally, I like to be a couple 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:46.960 of miles back with a backpack on glassing and feel 1:24:47.000 --> 1:24:52.080 like I'm you know, engaging with the the environment. The 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:54.519 other day, we're I was taking my had all three 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:56.760 of my kids and we were going out to sit 1:24:56.880 --> 1:25:01.639 for white tailed does um and we had a pop 1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:05.559 up blind set up harding for the yards from where 1:25:05.600 --> 1:25:10.479 we could part, and right away we pulled up lo 1:25:10.640 --> 1:25:14.160 and behold out pops from wind row out pops a 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:18.800 bunch of does in range, and we still got the 1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:21.080 back of the you know, back of the truck open. 1:25:22.600 --> 1:25:28.200 My boy was like very interested in us getting this 1:25:28.640 --> 1:25:31.120 taken care of right here and now, and I didn't 1:25:31.400 --> 1:25:35.400 because it wasn't what I was trying to demonstrate to them. 1:25:36.360 --> 1:25:38.240 We had gone and put up a pop up bland. 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:40.479 We're talking about the need to be sitting and quietly 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:42.880 waiting and how all this worked and that that they 1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:45.519 would come out to feed at night and right and 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:48.960 then all of a sudden he was pissed. But I 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:51.200 was like, no, because this isn't like I'm showing you 1:25:51.280 --> 1:25:53.040 a thing, and this is what I'm showing you. I'm 1:25:53.080 --> 1:25:57.760 not showing you this right Um. If it had been 1:25:57.920 --> 1:26:02.400 like the last day of the season and we put 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:06.040 in our time and we're going back after our last 1:26:06.200 --> 1:26:08.160 morning hunt and out pops them out of the wind 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:10.160 roll right down the road, it would be It's just 1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:12.360 a different situation. It's like and it's like it's not 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:17.560 like something that you can explain or or or prescribe 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:19.960 to another individual and be like Oh no, here's what 1:26:19.960 --> 1:26:21.680 you should and shouldn't do. It's just like it's just 1:26:22.000 --> 1:26:25.120 your eyes just running in your head. Man, should always 1:26:25.160 --> 1:26:27.759 run in your head. Yeah, I always. I always encourage 1:26:27.840 --> 1:26:32.479 people to just you know, try wandering around because I know, 1:26:34.320 --> 1:26:36.439 yeah exactly. I mean that's to me, that's what's fun 1:26:36.479 --> 1:26:40.080 about hunting is the exploration aspect of it. And and 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:42.680 so many, so many people just don't feel like they can, 1:26:43.600 --> 1:26:45.720 you know, know how to break down an animal that 1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:48.880 they can't drag to the truck or or know their 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:50.720 way to you know, how to figure out how to 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:52.320 get back to the truck. And yeah, I mean I 1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:55.800 understand that, but encourage people to learn and say that 1:26:56.040 --> 1:26:59.040 it might deepen the experience. The other thing about it 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:04.000 that makes me uncomfortab bull is that different people have 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:07.240 different abilities, and people have a lot of people have 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:09.960 pretty serious disabilities. Man. So you were like, oh, yeah, 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:13.240 road hunters, road hunters, they're no good. It's like, you 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:15.120 know what, there's a lot of people, I mean, they 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:20.479 don't have the luxury man, because of any number of things, age, 1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:24.519 physical condition, disabilities. So it's like I hate to, like, 1:27:25.640 --> 1:27:28.240 you know, to act like oh like the I hate 1:27:28.280 --> 1:27:32.240 to act like there's these like broad condemnations of behavior 1:27:32.320 --> 1:27:34.920 that exists out there when it just is like, you know, 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:38.880 it's it's almost like, yeah, I know what's in their heart. Yeah, 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:42.640 I'm supportive of people getting out hunting hard to know 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:45.200 something in someone and and honestly, like if if there's 1:27:45.240 --> 1:27:47.799 guys doing that, I mean, it's that's not really affecting 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:50.360 what you're doing. If you're hiking, you know, deep into 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:55.800 a wilderness area. I mean, if anything, they're proving your 1:27:55.920 --> 1:27:58.800 point that you know, getting far back, getting away from 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:01.240 the road has been official because a lot of a 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:03.479 lot of people do hunt from the truck. A lot 1:28:03.560 --> 1:28:06.160 of people hunt for the truck who wouldn't even admit 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:09.640 that they hunt from the truck. So it's a I 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:14.120 think doesn't doesn't affect me as long as they let 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:16.160 me get by them. When they're creeping up before a 1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:18.559 service road at five miles an hour thinking they're sneaking 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:24.800 up on ship, they are. I've seen it. They are 1:28:24.880 --> 1:28:27.080 sneaking up on stuff. Man. It can it can be 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:30.960 a were a tactic that works. You know, they take 1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:33.799 out like a pres or something that's that's that's silent 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:36.680 under a certain RPM I don't know. It's like the 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:40.400 old rancher man that drives like animals, never scared of 1:28:40.439 --> 1:28:42.920 the ranch because the ranch truck just drives all over 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:46.200 the ranch every day. But yeah, as long as it's legal, 1:28:48.080 --> 1:28:51.000 I mean, I've done it. I've done No. I wanted 1:28:51.000 --> 1:28:54.040 to say my fair share, but I dabbled in shooting 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:57.200 some deer literally out of a truck where it was 1:28:57.360 --> 1:29:00.680 legal to do that, and it and p you're on 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:04.439 private property. No, and like you said, un maintained you 1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:09.479 know in Nebraska, and um, it was novel at the moment. 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:13.000 But by the time, like my third dough was dead. 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:15.840 This is back when they had a booming deer population. 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:19.240 We had lots of dough tags to phil Um, it's like, okay, 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:22.000 that was enough of that. You know, I'm gonna go 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:24.160 take my rifle for a walk, just out stacking them 1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:27.120 up like cordwood in the back of your truck. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1:29:27.240 --> 1:29:29.439 And like the first two evenings it was like, wow, 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:32.040 I never thought, you know, because I didn't grow up. 1:29:32.200 --> 1:29:34.920 You know, you couldn't do that in Michigan, right, Some 1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:38.599 guys use some guys love to see road hunters because 1:29:38.640 --> 1:29:40.400 they're like, oh, man, you know that are you're gonna 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:44.000 go there and you're gonna think it's super crowded, but 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:48.800 it's all road hunters, So don't worry about it, meaning 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:51.120 that there's still you're gonna It has the appearance of 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:55.160 being overplayed, but it's not over played because I mean, 1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:56.960 you like hike down in some little spot that's that 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.559 you can't see from the road. That's a big handle, 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:03.080 that's a big anilo put there like a big thing 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.040 with anilo punt. There's I think there's a lot of 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:08.040 people who have the mistaken notion because it seems like 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:11.400 you're in flat open country that feel as though when 1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:15.519 you take gander out across the landscape, they feel like 1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:19.920 they're seeing it and you're just not. There are so 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:25.559 many dips in pockets, and it's just like you can 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:27.120 out walk that stuff like I don't care if you 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:28.680 look and you see like I can see clear to 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:33.439 you know yonder Mesa. You don't head toward that mason 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:35.880 same direction. You're finding all kinds of animals that you 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:41.080 do not see, and so it's um, yeah, I'll oftentimes 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:42.880 get out like think you're seeing it all from the 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:45.120 truck when we would get out and hunt the same 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:48.160 country and have a very different experience bumping animals along 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:50.519 the way, have very different experience than what you thought 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:52.320 you were seeing. What you're looking out. Unless you're looking 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:55.000 out in a salt pan, you don't know what's going on. 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:06.880 Ady for another one. Yep, what's his fellow's name? Before 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:10.280 I get Before I get to that one. This Chuck's 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:14.240 wondering what your thoughts on the flick, Jeremiah Johnson are. 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:18.200 I mean, I've talked about that. It's the greatest, one 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:22.519 of the greatest movies ever made, straight greatest movies ever made. 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:28.680 The ending of that movie is one of the saddest things. Um, 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:33.840 one of the saddest, most contemplative exchanges ever captured in 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:41.719 American cinema. Loaded with symbolism, wonderful movie. There's a little 1:31:43.120 --> 1:31:46.760 little corny moment, a corny moment or two that I 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:50.240 wish they would have chopped out splashing around the creek 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:53.360 trying to catch a trout. That and I'm particularly thinking 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:56.680 like the great character Bear Claw Chris clapp One, a 1:31:56.840 --> 1:32:04.200 great character played by Grandpa Walton. Um, uh, little little 1:32:04.280 --> 1:32:07.719 corn pone, you know, but my god, does that movie 1:32:07.760 --> 1:32:11.040 wind up just being like being a pretty profound movie 1:32:11.080 --> 1:32:18.760 about loneliness. Can you rewatch it yet? No, I'm glad 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:22.599 you just brought it up from going on holiday movie. Well, 1:32:22.680 --> 1:32:24.720 you know, it might like there's parts of it that 1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:27.400 would confuse them a little bit. There's there's some there's death. 1:32:27.560 --> 1:32:29.880 You know, there's like death and insanity and stuff and there. 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:31.680 It might be confusing to kids, but they can they 1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:34.680 can hack it pretty good. In terms of kids. I'm 1:32:34.760 --> 1:32:38.560 using in favor of I'm usually a little ahead of 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:42.160 the I get them rolling on stuff earlier than you're 1:32:42.160 --> 1:32:45.080 supposed to in terms of what you expose them to. 1:32:46.280 --> 1:32:49.599 Kind of going explanations with them. Opens up good conversations, man, 1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:53.120 opens up good conversations. Yeah, I'm not like one of those. 1:32:53.240 --> 1:32:55.120 I mean they've got you know, there's I'm sure there's 1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:57.800 like a lot of great parents who are very you know, 1:32:57.920 --> 1:33:00.680 want to have like the world's all innocent and all that, 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:03.080 And I don't know, I don't know what you get 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:05.200 from painting a picture of the world being all in 1:33:05.240 --> 1:33:08.800 the children that naive children's what you get personally. That's 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:11.000 my feeling on it. But I have But but again, 1:33:11.080 --> 1:33:13.000 you know, if I could have had parallel lives and 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:14.800 raise some one way and raise something the other day, 1:33:14.800 --> 1:33:16.640 and then compared him at the end. I don't have 1:33:16.720 --> 1:33:18.639 that luxury. So it's just gut instant because I don't 1:33:18.640 --> 1:33:20.880 want a dog on any parents who who who? I 1:33:20.880 --> 1:33:23.800 don't want a dog on parents who are real protective. 1:33:23.840 --> 1:33:26.280 But no, we kind of roll out the ugly realities 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:30.200 and the beautiful realities. Um. With that said, I would 1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:32.920 show him, but I have not yet. It's a profound 1:33:33.040 --> 1:33:35.240 movie if you. I think it's a profound movie if 1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:37.160 you look at it in the right way and pay 1:33:37.200 --> 1:33:42.200 attention to what to the things that are said, especially 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:45.760 the end when he's cooking at rabbit. That's gonna be 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:50.719 a tough ass rabbit. The way he's cook just skinned 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:53.639 out rabbit stuck on a skewer ten years since I's 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:58.040 gonna be chewing he's in. And the thing is, he's 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:01.120 cooking a rabbit out a spit in any any tear. 1:34:01.280 --> 1:34:04.000 And I'm telling you, he goes and tears off a 1:34:04.040 --> 1:34:06.799 piece of that rabbit. He like tears off his shoulder, 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:12.960 off that cotton tail, And I'm like, bullshit, you raise 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:18.120 that rabbit? Yeah, yeah, maybe he is lathering it up 1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:21.519 with something he had wrapped and foil, and then he's 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:24.080 just putting a final little singe on it. But he's yeah, 1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:26.240 he's cooking. He's cooking up wrapped me. My buddy Ben 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:28.160 Freed and we were little kids would cook cotton tails 1:34:28.200 --> 1:34:30.479 that way. And I'm telling you, man, but he's cooking. 1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:32.040 He's got a high above the flame. He's got the 1:34:32.120 --> 1:34:36.759 right idea. But he tears off a hunt and throws 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:39.360 it the bear cross, bear clawed Chris Clap and bear claw. 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:42.880 Chris Clap observes how he's learned to cook rabbit very well, 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:51.439 but still I wasn't buying it. Lance rode in and 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:54.200 he says, uh, my right, what are you gonna say 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:56.479 about Jeremiah Johnson? Why did you ask the question? I 1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:58.360 gave the answer. Why don't got an answer? Nothing to 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:00.800 say about it? Why did you pick it? Because I 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:05.280 thought it'd be interesting to hear your answer? Doesn't it specifically? 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:09.080 Ask Steve's opinion? It does, actually, But I mean, I 1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:11.479 think it's a good movie. I just haven't um I 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:16.640 couldn't articulate like that, and I haven't um digested it 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:18.840 quite to the point that you have, you know, Yeah, 1:35:18.960 --> 1:35:23.680 he's coming up from the from the Mexican War. He's 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:27.400 damaged goods, he's got PTSD. What's what they'd call it. 1:35:27.479 --> 1:35:33.240 Now you gather he's been damaged from the war. Comes 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:35.720 up the trap all right, but he's too late. The 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:41.559 beaver market already collapsed. It's a sad movie. If you're 1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:45.280 listening property, it's a sad movie. Anyone would know what's 1:35:45.280 --> 1:35:47.760 a sad movie. But there's some, there's some, there's some 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:51.200 like there's some good stuff. So we got one from 1:35:51.280 --> 1:35:53.080 Kevin and it's one of you guys have already touched on. 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:56.040 But it's about bird hunting and like how to pull 1:35:56.120 --> 1:35:58.479 shot and like being scared about giving people who are 1:35:59.160 --> 1:36:02.400 just getting used to the to wild meat. Um. So 1:36:02.479 --> 1:36:04.760 it's firstly, after cleaning ten or fifteen birds of my 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:07.640 own prior or with no experience, I got a lot 1:36:07.680 --> 1:36:10.800 better at the process. However, no matter how to go 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:13.439 about it, he's still finding shot in the birds, and 1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:17.080 he's wondering, is there a reliable way to like give 1:36:17.200 --> 1:36:20.200 this bird meat to people without having shot in it. 1:36:21.080 --> 1:36:22.479 So the first thing I would say, like I've been 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:25.120 like a lifelong bird hunter out in Kansas, uh and 1:36:25.240 --> 1:36:27.599 one technique that I just found. It was like taking 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:30.400 the bird's hole, putting him in water, and like sprinkling 1:36:30.479 --> 1:36:32.600 in like a couple of teaspoons of salt. And like 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:34.439 when that shot comes in and hits the bird and 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:36.240 it hits the feathers, it will like bring the feathers 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:39.160 along with it in most cases. And what I found 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:40.880 is if you put it in overnight in the fridge 1:36:41.120 --> 1:36:43.600 like that saltwater will actually pull the shot in the 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:46.840 feathers out of there. So understand how that happens, I 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:48.720 don't know either, but like it brings it to the 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:50.800 surface in most cases. And so I just like pluck 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:52.960 it right off the edge of the bird toss it away. 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:56.200 It's not foolproof. It doesn't pull all of them, but 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:58.480 it brings a lot of them up there. Like Otherwise, 1:36:58.520 --> 1:37:01.439 like you just gotta like like breast the bird out, 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:04.920 massage it down, like find the babies in there, maybe 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:06.840 slice it up, and then take the carcass and use 1:37:06.880 --> 1:37:09.519 it for stock. Some birds, you can hold a breast 1:37:09.600 --> 1:37:11.840 chunk up to a bright light and you can see 1:37:12.040 --> 1:37:14.439 the shot if you breast it out for sure. Working 1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:21.160 Man's X ray, get yourself an m R. Machine. Yeah, 1:37:21.280 --> 1:37:23.720 run through the m r Yeah, no, no, serious bird 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:26.720 hunter doesn't have it's m r um. You know, we're 1:37:26.760 --> 1:37:28.639 talking about getting the feathers out by A great trick 1:37:28.800 --> 1:37:32.120 is to stick take a toothpick mm hmm. And sometimes 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:33.640 you can pull shot too. If it dragged a lot 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:36.080 of feathers or hair into a cotton tail, you put 1:37:36.160 --> 1:37:40.439 a toothpick in there and twirlet and you'll pull the hair, squirrels, 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:42.519 anything like that. You'll pull the hair out and you 1:37:42.520 --> 1:37:44.320 can oft times you pull it out and you'll have 1:37:44.360 --> 1:37:46.320 a little bit of shots like locked up in there. Yeah, 1:37:46.320 --> 1:37:50.839 because you picture like a comet. Haley's comment up. Twayne 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:54.760 was born the year the Haley. You know, Hayley's comment 1:37:54.800 --> 1:37:57.880 comes every seventy five years. Dayne was born the year 1:37:57.920 --> 1:37:59.680 it came, and and predicted that he would come in 1:37:59.800 --> 1:38:01.240 with the common and go out with the common and 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:05.080 went out with Hayley's comment. Yeah. Anyways, picture of comment 1:38:05.400 --> 1:38:08.600 when you see a picture of a comet and it 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:10.880 shows like the rock and it's got the flames that 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:13.080 kind of wrap around the front and trail out in 1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:15.920 the back like a shot goes in there like that 1:38:16.080 --> 1:38:18.840 dragon hair like flames and you put it in and 1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:26.360 pull it out. That's the noise it makes. But the 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:29.600 Brian one, man, I don't it works for me. I 1:38:29.640 --> 1:38:31.200 don't know. I don't know if it's like something with 1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:35.160 the osmoss or like I don't know, like when like 1:38:35.240 --> 1:38:38.800 Brian or salt like it does draw things out of 1:38:38.840 --> 1:38:41.559 the meat, but I don't understand. I don't understand how 1:38:41.600 --> 1:38:46.200 that would actually expunge the shot, like I was just no, 1:38:46.360 --> 1:38:50.160 I'm thinking that it's bringing in the salt water, right, 1:38:50.280 --> 1:38:52.200 like it has to equal when it's in that Brian 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:54.240 like that. That's what's going on, right, is that that 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:56.800 Brian is penetrating the meats. It has to become equal 1:38:57.040 --> 1:38:59.479 between the two states of liquid and the meat. And 1:38:59.560 --> 1:39:02.000 then just like what it's in there, right, So maybe 1:39:02.040 --> 1:39:05.400 it's pressure. Maybe if it's just pulling in, then it 1:39:05.680 --> 1:39:07.599 might be I mean it's going in through those pores 1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:09.719 or whatever there. It just might be sort of plumping 1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:13.519 up and then pushing out. That's what I was. That's 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:15.880 that's another way to get shot out. It's just pimple popping. 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:18.680 So that's how you guys might top was for we 1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:23.599 one time got a moose. We were twenty miles were 1:39:23.760 --> 1:39:26.040 we flew in on the raft trips. We flew in 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:29.240 like flew off the highway up twenty miles up the 1:39:29.320 --> 1:39:31.439 river in order to then float back to the highway. 1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:34.479 This is up in Alaska and right where we landed 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:37.000 the furthest point we got from any I mean, you're 1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:40.800 nowhere near any kind of permanent structures. We killed the 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:42.400 moose that someone had shot in the butt with a 1:39:42.479 --> 1:39:47.240 shotgun long ago. It's all healed up in the air. 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:49.720 But all these shotgun pelts I pictured him, you know, 1:39:49.760 --> 1:39:52.000 they moved quite a distance throughout the life. I pictured 1:39:52.040 --> 1:39:56.200 him getting into someone's garden or something. Was very small. 1:39:56.360 --> 1:39:58.360 It looked like seven and a half or eight shots 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:01.560 all over under his skin and oh that's gross, was 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:06.439 it all? It was like, yeah, it was totally healed up. 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:08.560 That's totally healed up. And it was just like you 1:40:08.600 --> 1:40:10.680 could just see it, you know, that meniscus, like not 1:40:10.840 --> 1:40:13.960 a meniscus, but like that what you call it man 1:40:14.120 --> 1:40:16.519 like the like right under the hide it's kind of 1:40:16.560 --> 1:40:20.840 sticky whatever that like the when you pull the hide away, 1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:23.240 it's sticky, right, yeah, like the fascia. It was just 1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:25.519 like the babies were just in there and they were 1:40:25.560 --> 1:40:27.200 kind of like healed up in there a little bit, 1:40:27.640 --> 1:40:29.479 and the hide didn't have any kind of there's like 1:40:29.520 --> 1:40:32.960 a discoloration on the hide, but the holes and the 1:40:33.080 --> 1:40:36.880 hide were gone. Wonder giving it like the get out 1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:39.320 of here, get out of the old Ryan Callahan, smell 1:40:39.400 --> 1:40:42.759 me now, like smell me now, Mr. Now. It seems 1:40:42.800 --> 1:40:45.280 like a real Alaskan move to shoot a moose in 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:47.000 the ass with bird shot to get it out of 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:51.640 your garden. Should you hit another one, Yoannie? Yeah, I 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:56.120 think we got one more time for one more? Um, 1:40:57.040 --> 1:40:59.080 I just found one I kind of liked we could 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:04.240 answer he had to choose one antler game recipe to 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:07.720 help introduce kids to wild game. What would it be? 1:41:07.880 --> 1:41:13.320 And why? Oh? I know exactly. It's tricky. I was 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:15.720 just thinking about it's tricky because my first thought was 1:41:15.880 --> 1:41:18.400 full to just be freaking taco night man, because me 1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:23.240 can serve regular old American tacos with ground up cat 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:27.519 meat in it and it's like sweet tacos. But that's 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:30.800 not necessarily helping introduce your kids to wild game. Maybe 1:41:30.880 --> 1:41:33.640 the idea of it because you can feed them a 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:35.920 beef taco and say, yeah, man, you're eating elk, and 1:41:35.960 --> 1:41:37.679 the kids are like, great, I'm eating elk. So they're 1:41:37.680 --> 1:41:40.720 okay with the idea. But I think it's guy if 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.439 you're actually yeah, exactly. So if you're actually sort of 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:46.320 like trying to be like, hey, this is what wild 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:48.600 game tastes like, I think you're gonna have to be 1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:51.320 a little more nuanced and sort of pick something that 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:54.200 is wild gaming tastes like wild game. You could pick 1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:56.360 it out as wild game, yet the kids are gonna 1:41:56.400 --> 1:42:00.040 like it. The other evening, I served just half and 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:03.120 to have a very small, like bottom round roast off 1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:06.400 of an antelope. It wasn't gonna be enough meat. So 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:11.040 we also had two white tailed dope tender loins, and 1:42:11.160 --> 1:42:13.639 I can tell you that those it was all sliced 1:42:13.720 --> 1:42:15.760 up just it had been done like we do the 1:42:15.920 --> 1:42:18.880 perfect roast, which you can find in the Metator Wild 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:21.519 Game Cookbook and the recipe there how to make the 1:42:21.560 --> 1:42:24.240 perfect roast. I cooked all three of those pieces the 1:42:24.320 --> 1:42:26.840 same way, steer them up alvoil, salt and pepper, finished 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:31.920 them in the oven, sliced them. I yanked him at 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:39.519 like ish, that's no no man. Once I let them rest, 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:44.439 they rise eight degrees and then their money. Anyways, that 1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:47.360 I put a little bit of each on everybody's plates, 1:42:47.680 --> 1:42:50.120 and it didn't take them along to be like to 1:42:50.240 --> 1:42:52.519 know that the one is a little bit smaller and rounder. 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:55.880 That was the good eating one, right, So oh yeah, 1:42:56.040 --> 1:43:00.360 they're like all over that tenderloin the bottom round out off. 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:03.640 The antelope was awesome too, but it just didn't have 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:07.200 that melt in your mouth noss of that tender loins. 1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:09.200 So I don't know I'd go with that man, because 1:43:09.240 --> 1:43:11.200 you definitely know you you can taste that you're eating 1:43:11.240 --> 1:43:14.040 wild game. It's got salt and pepper on it, that's it. 1:43:15.080 --> 1:43:17.320 But it's good. It's really good to go to the 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:20.880 prime cut, I guess is my simple prime cut. I 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:24.560 put up a thing on Instagram about this, but not 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:28.479 long ago, I had some Mountain lion tender loins and 1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:31.000 I did like how we I did like like doing 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:33.759 the perfect roast as describing the Mediator Fishing Game cookbook, 1:43:33.760 --> 1:43:38.080 which is available now. Um seared them, seasoned them, salt 1:43:38.080 --> 1:43:40.840 and pepper, seared him, fired into my oven. But I 1:43:40.880 --> 1:43:43.200 was kind of running a little bit behind schedule, and 1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:44.800 like with little kids, and you gotta get the show 1:43:44.800 --> 1:43:46.760 on the road, right because people got up, Yeah, they 1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:48.200 want to time to mess around. You gotta get them 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:51.200 to bed. So I pulled him out. I was kind 1:43:51.200 --> 1:43:52.680 of trying to rush things, pull him out, and you 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:54.800 can't ey mountain land rare. You gotta cook it, you 1:43:54.840 --> 1:43:56.439 gotta you know, you gotta cook it to one sixty 1:43:57.000 --> 1:43:58.840 pull it out. And I was like, damn it. It 1:43:59.000 --> 1:44:02.400 wasn't hold it too quick still a little you know, 1:44:02.640 --> 1:44:04.479 you don't want to explain that to your wife? Did everybody? 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:08.680 The kids go all got trick nosis? So uh, I 1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:10.519 had a bottle. I was like, how am I gonna 1:44:10.520 --> 1:44:13.360 get this done? Like instantaneously? Because once I made I 1:44:13.400 --> 1:44:15.320 I was trying to roll and I'm like, man, you 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:18.519 shouldn't roll it, you know. And we had mild We 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:23.120 had mild barbecue sauce um in the fridge, a bottle 1:44:23.160 --> 1:44:25.280 of mild barbecue sauce in the fridge, and I just 1:44:25.520 --> 1:44:28.040 put like a few gloves of that where I had 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:30.240 a quarter inch of barbecue sauce in the bottom of 1:44:30.320 --> 1:44:33.200 the same skillet that I had seared it in, and 1:44:33.320 --> 1:44:37.559 I put those slices and just simmered them in barbecue sauce. 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:39.280 Because I'm just trying to get it done and get 1:44:39.320 --> 1:44:44.840 everybody fed. Uh. Man, they loved it, loved it. But 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:47.439 my kids have eating so much stuff. They don't even 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:50.519 it doesn't register. You could tell them that they don't 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:52.840 have any of that. They don't have the apprehension because 1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:55.559 they never had the luxury of addition, say the luxury 1:44:56.600 --> 1:44:58.280 they've they've always had the lugs you of just like 1:44:58.400 --> 1:45:01.720 eating everything, So they don't. They don't. They're not suspicious 1:45:02.160 --> 1:45:05.000 of anything. They wouldn't know, Like you could tell him 1:45:05.000 --> 1:45:06.760 the craziest thing in the world and they wouldn't know 1:45:06.960 --> 1:45:08.920 to think it was weird. So it's not a So 1:45:09.000 --> 1:45:12.080 it's not like your overcoming prejudice. But they that was 1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:14.160 a dish they loved and it makes me think of 1:45:14.439 --> 1:45:17.160 remember that BlackBerry dish I cooked a little bit which 1:45:17.240 --> 1:45:19.000 had that sauce that was made out of base like 1:45:19.160 --> 1:45:22.599 melted brown sugar and you serve it over rice. Yeah, 1:45:22.600 --> 1:45:26.000 I believe we call it meat meat candy. Dude. Kids 1:45:26.160 --> 1:45:29.280 love that dish. Man, we put that on the website 1:45:29.320 --> 1:45:31.120 at some point in time. I don't think it's still there. 1:45:31.680 --> 1:45:34.840 We need to revamp that recipe. Yeah, it's basically like 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:39.320 making Mongolian beef. Um. You know that's my brother was 1:45:39.360 --> 1:45:41.679 trying to make. My brother, who came up with the recipe, 1:45:41.840 --> 1:45:44.800 was like messing around, trying to make like some dish 1:45:44.840 --> 1:45:49.639 from p F Changs or something. His kids, His kids 1:45:49.680 --> 1:45:52.840 got hot on the McDonald's and uh, he started cooking 1:45:52.920 --> 1:45:54.960 hall of it, just like how they make chicken McNuggets, 1:45:54.960 --> 1:45:59.559 and they and they thought they were eating chicken McNuggets. Wow, dude, 1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:03.639 speaking some good fried fish um I had somehow ended 1:46:03.680 --> 1:46:04.760 up with. I don't know if it was from a 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:06.680 shoe that we did it, if you gave it to me, 1:46:06.840 --> 1:46:11.559 but the Tony Seas standard fish bredding. I ran out 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:14.800 of just my whatever, you know, seasoned flower that I 1:46:14.920 --> 1:46:16.720 normally have, and I didn't have any corner. I saw 1:46:16.840 --> 1:46:18.479 the box sitting there and so I went with that 1:46:18.640 --> 1:46:22.679 and man, just seasoned just enough but not too much. 1:46:22.880 --> 1:46:25.599 I was really impressed. That's why it pisces me off. 1:46:25.680 --> 1:46:29.200 And you talk up Old Bay, dude. I'm a big 1:46:29.280 --> 1:46:33.080 fan of Old Day myself. You're from the West. They're 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:37.760 too two separate seasonings. I'm not saying I view it 1:46:37.920 --> 1:46:39.800 like you're an old I view it like when it 1:46:39.880 --> 1:46:43.360 comes to like seasonings that you can buy any grocery 1:46:43.400 --> 1:46:46.760 store in America. There's two kinds of people. There's kinds 1:46:46.800 --> 1:46:49.719 of people who think you can lump everyone into two categories. Yeah, 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:53.599 there's two kinds of people. Man, what if you're feeling 1:46:54.160 --> 1:46:58.880 like you want to be Authentico Spanish or Mexican. What 1:46:58.960 --> 1:47:01.160 if you want that flavor you can't. You're not getting 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:04.280 that if I'm doing that. And you know what, No, 1:47:04.840 --> 1:47:06.760 it's not the only thing I eat. I'm just saying, 1:47:06.800 --> 1:47:09.920 like we it was framed up as either or. I 1:47:10.040 --> 1:47:12.360 think it was a listener question that might have been. 1:47:12.560 --> 1:47:15.640 But I'm not falling into that trap. Okay, well, when 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:18.880 we got that, here's the thing we've gotten that argument 1:47:19.560 --> 1:47:24.320 about Tony C's. Someone from the Tony C's family say, 1:47:24.720 --> 1:47:28.080 I everybody Wright said you say this, and I talked 1:47:28.080 --> 1:47:30.160 aboutfore for something for a reason I don't understand. When 1:47:30.200 --> 1:47:32.040 I was in college, you're called uncle times. I have 1:47:32.120 --> 1:47:36.920 no idea why they sent me a care package and 1:47:37.040 --> 1:47:41.400 in it, uh and it was like a marinade, and 1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:43.479 I cook some golden eyed ducks out of that marinade. 1:47:44.000 --> 1:47:50.120 M all right, he said they were so. But yeah, 1:47:50.240 --> 1:47:52.720 it's a good it's a good bredding. Yeah, it's a 1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:54.000 lot more fun than you know. You really ought to 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:55.439 learn how to make your own, and I know what 1:47:55.479 --> 1:47:57.920 you do, but it's it's like, for there's a lot 1:47:57.920 --> 1:48:00.680 of good breadings out there. Yeah, I don't know. I 1:48:00.800 --> 1:48:02.160 got a lot of times. A lot of times those 1:48:02.240 --> 1:48:05.439 store bought ones have that real like I'm gonna call 1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:08.280 it MSG flavor, but I don't know if that's what 1:48:08.360 --> 1:48:10.599 I'm saying. Maybe they're just over salty, is what I'm 1:48:10.600 --> 1:48:12.280 trying to get at. But I just feel like you're 1:48:12.400 --> 1:48:15.720 like I can taste something that I don't like, it's 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:18.160 just too much. Usually where I felt like this one, 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:20.040 I was like, wow, I was pleasantly surprised that they 1:48:20.080 --> 1:48:23.360 did had an overseasoned and over salt. You know what 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:25.519 my old man bought by the case. I didn't have 1:48:25.640 --> 1:48:28.759 fried fish that wasn't made in this season. He bought 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:33.320 frying magic. M I remember that stuff, blue box. He 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:36.160 bought frying magic by the case. And he had a 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:40.120 cupboard in the garage where he kept peanut oil and 1:48:40.280 --> 1:48:44.240 frying magic and paper towels. It was like his stash. 1:48:45.680 --> 1:48:48.439 When your mom did those you're describing how she used 1:48:48.439 --> 1:48:51.920 to do chicken thighs and like she do them in 1:48:52.000 --> 1:48:54.920 the pan and then finish them in the oven very good. 1:48:54.920 --> 1:48:56.760 And you do in squirrels good that way. Yeah, And 1:48:56.840 --> 1:49:01.519 I was thinking that my that magic great. Okay, it 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:03.680 was okay, because I want to say, wasn't there a 1:49:03.680 --> 1:49:06.759 product called like shaking bake people did the same exact 1:49:06.880 --> 1:49:08.880 recipe with. Yeah, she would work it up, and I 1:49:08.880 --> 1:49:10.560 should call her to double check. But I feel like 1:49:10.640 --> 1:49:13.040 she would work it up with frying magic and she 1:49:13.200 --> 1:49:19.200 do squirrel same way, same breading started the pan. Then 1:49:19.280 --> 1:49:21.320 she'd take a big sheet pan and line up with 1:49:21.400 --> 1:49:24.560 foil and put all these squirrel eggs on there and 1:49:24.880 --> 1:49:26.720 and throw it in the oven. And you can cover 1:49:26.800 --> 1:49:29.559 it too. That's Kevin Murphy. He covers it and then 1:49:29.640 --> 1:49:33.439 cooks it on three help tenderize it, little moist heat. 1:49:33.760 --> 1:49:38.680 M hm hm. You guys got anything to add to 1:49:38.800 --> 1:49:43.479 the introductory while a game? I'm on dearline of thought, 1:49:43.680 --> 1:49:46.360 primal cuts nice and tender, just like keep them as 1:49:46.400 --> 1:49:50.040 plain as possible, but season them up just a touch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:49:50.040 --> 1:49:52.160 because like don't let him get the ship and catch 1:49:52.280 --> 1:49:55.760 up man, oh my old man had to We were 1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:57.960 allowed to dip dear heart and catch up. We couldn't 1:49:58.000 --> 1:50:01.519 dip normal dear meat and catch up. Yeah, we definitely 1:50:01.560 --> 1:50:03.800 have like a this is like okay catch up and 1:50:04.000 --> 1:50:07.000 mayo meal. For some reason, my kids freaking they're they're 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:09.160 they're just as happy dipping in mayo as they aren't 1:50:09.200 --> 1:50:12.479 catch up. But we definitely like run rulves like no, 1:50:12.840 --> 1:50:14.840 this one, No, he's just he's just gonna eat them. 1:50:14.920 --> 1:50:16.519 When I was a kid, I just put cash up 1:50:16.680 --> 1:50:22.160 on everything. It doesn't matter. You've grown out that, but 1:50:22.280 --> 1:50:25.519 you've grown out of it. Oh Yeah, I still like 1:50:25.600 --> 1:50:27.960 catch up quite a bit, but I definitely don't don't 1:50:28.000 --> 1:50:30.040 put it on my dear sticks. Yeah. I have another 1:50:30.120 --> 1:50:33.000 buddy who um I got it with for quite a 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:35.439 few years, and uh, I was just the guy that 1:50:35.520 --> 1:50:38.040 would often cook and camp when there was no cook 1:50:38.160 --> 1:50:39.880 and clients were out or whatever, and we'd just be 1:50:40.000 --> 1:50:43.280 hanging out and oftentimes I would spend a bit of 1:50:43.360 --> 1:50:45.640 time cooking up something and then he'd sit down and 1:50:46.400 --> 1:50:49.400 bust up the giant catchup bottle and just over the 1:50:49.439 --> 1:50:51.360 whole plate. Man, it kind of would hurt my heart 1:50:51.400 --> 1:50:54.040 a little bit. You know. I'm like, I guess if 1:50:54.120 --> 1:50:56.640 That's how it is. That's how it is. You need 1:50:56.720 --> 1:51:01.320 to take your beta blocker. The last thing, real quick, 1:51:01.760 --> 1:51:05.160 last thing, real quick. The Meteor Live Tour, Man Live Tour. 1:51:07.400 --> 1:51:10.160 Go to the Meat Eater dot com. 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