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Speaker 1: listening to Software Radio Special Operations, military news and straight

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Speaker 1: talk with the guys in the community. All right, hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Software Brito. Today. I have a special guest,

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Speaker 1: Colonel bomb Adams, m D n B, a Navy seal.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen years in the Navy, twelve as a seal. Actually

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Speaker 1: Bombs eighteen and the naview had it right, and then

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Speaker 1: got it. Also an author of Six Days of Impossible

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Speaker 1: and a website you can check out. I encourage you

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Speaker 1: to seal hell week dot com dot steal hell week

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Speaker 1: dot com and uh, six Days of It Possible. It's

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Speaker 1: it's on Amazon. Please go pick up the copy. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show, Bob Oh, thank you very much, sir.

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Speaker 1: I always like to kick it off with just kind

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Speaker 1: So fast forward three years now, and I had already

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Speaker 1: the military, past military friends, and we opened a new

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Speaker 1: my old place. Bought a million dollar piece of land,

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Speaker 1: put a three million dollar clinic on it, and the

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Speaker 1: bank said, you're taking our money. You're the only doctor

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Speaker 1: in town. Take it. Okay. Of course, we all had

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Speaker 1: to sign away our future children, you know, is guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy to say that last year, after thirteen years,

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Speaker 1: a nice profit because it had been operating for thirteen

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Speaker 1: years with our tenants paying paying the rent. And then

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Speaker 1: through four months ago when the mill of medical system

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Speaker 1: that I operate in as an employee got more stupid

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Speaker 1: than it is now, I just said, you know, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's been fun, but I'm going to go ahead and retire.

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Speaker 1: So I retired from active practice. No sooner did I

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Speaker 1: step out going. I'm just gonna take six months off

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Speaker 1: before I decide what to do. My new book got published,

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Speaker 1: and that's creating some energy and a navy Seal Group

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Speaker 1: company manager's company out of Florida contacted me and asked

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Speaker 1: me if i'd be a consultant for them. They're called

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Speaker 1: Victory Strategies and their leadership management consulting firm, and I

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Speaker 1: signed on with them. Yakov Worksman is the CEO. He

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Speaker 1: was a senior chief teams and not even I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: he was not senior listed in the teams. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he may achieve now he's got his own company

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Speaker 1: of Seal consultants and business consultants. And I said, I'll

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Speaker 1: sign on if you'll let me work to fix the

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Speaker 1: broken medical systems. So that's my focus now is we're

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Speaker 1: knocking on doors to say, who wants to know the

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Speaker 1: Navy Seal method for proper leadership and management so we

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Speaker 1: can fix our broken health maintenance systems, which are you know,

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Speaker 1: becoming more broken by the minute with this COVID crisis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I talked to through Harvard Business School. We want one

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Speaker 1: of the top. It's the doctor run hospital, like the

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Speaker 1: man in all these senior management or former doctors. It's

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Speaker 1: a doctor owned and operated hospital. But so what did

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Speaker 1: he say, Because that's designed to be the success story

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Speaker 1: of the future he had a kind of fascinating story

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Speaker 1: about them turning around hospitals, but it was it was

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Speaker 1: more the conversation was like, how do we fix the

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Speaker 1: US healthcare system in America as as a whole? And

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Speaker 1: he was just like that's a He's like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's a big problem. Doctor run hospital leadership teams are

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Speaker 1: pluses and minuses. Most doctors are blittering idiots on anything

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Speaker 1: related to management or finance because the training program is

479
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Speaker 1: just too all inclusive. You don't have time to learn

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Speaker 1: other stuff. Yeah, Bob, is there anything else you want

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Speaker 1: to cover on this one? I really want to have

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Speaker 1: you back. I got like, I got a ton of

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Speaker 1: notes I took prior to this, but more than covered. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would love to have you back even next week,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just make sure I got got my act

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Speaker 1: together on this on the stable state. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: to get into maybe some of the Delta Force stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just call this part one and uh, we'll

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Speaker 1: have you back, And yeah, I would love to get

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Speaker 1: into some of the Delta Force stuff and then talk

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Speaker 1: about transition advice because I feel like, especially guys in

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Speaker 1: our community are really struggling with the transition like they've

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Speaker 1: done done well in the community, but transitioning back to

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Speaker 1: civilian world, that's really hard challenge. Unfortunately, I don't think

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Speaker 1: our Seal leadership is doing much to help. No, I

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Speaker 1: totally agree with you. And in the civilian world is

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Speaker 1: bad and getting worse. And you know, when you leave

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Speaker 1: the womb, you've got problems. And I've I've treated pts

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Speaker 1: see and dealt with, you know, my own combat related

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Speaker 1: issues and over the years, and it's tough taking taking

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Speaker 1: that step out. We have we can have a fun

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Speaker 1: conversation on that. Yeah, I would, I would enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have you back. And meantime, Seel hell Week

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Speaker 1: dot com booths your books are are on the website. Correct,

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Speaker 1: two different websites for me. Cell week dot com is

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Speaker 1: the Six Days of Impossible book and then Sorts and

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Speaker 1: Saints dot com is the new book. Okay, great, well,

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Speaker 1: well linked to both those. Hey, this has been a

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Speaker 1: real honor talking with you. It really has. And I'm

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Speaker 1: now I'm looking at my calendar. Next week is wide open,

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Speaker 1: so Internet, get together and let me know. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: let's plan on next week and then uh yeah, it'll

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Speaker 1: be a fun two part show and we'll get in

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Speaker 1: some more stories and that deal. Sir. Well, thank you again.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the muggy weather of Puerto Rico. Go go catch

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Speaker 1: and tarting it again. I will all right, bubake care

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Speaker 1: go right now. Alright, guys, Yeah, short episode this week,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have Bob back next week, so this

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Speaker 1: will be a two part interview. Fascinating guy, I mean,

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Speaker 1: talk about achievement, you know, Navy steal, Naval Academy, Fleet,

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Speaker 1: Navy Seal doctor, Delta Force doctor surgeon, trauma surgeon in Iraq.

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Speaker 1: I bought Bob has a amazing career, tons of stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to get him back on the show and

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Speaker 1: talk about the Delta Force stuff. I think you guys

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Speaker 1: would would be into. Uh well, schedule an evening block,

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Speaker 1: get some whiskey going, and get Bob to start telling

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Speaker 1: us some some crazy war stories. With this time at

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Speaker 1: Delta Force. I'm sure, especially in South America, he's got

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Speaker 1: some interesting stories to tell us there. But yeah, amazing

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Speaker 1: and plus I want to get into the transition stuff

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Speaker 1: because not you know, I know most of our audience

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Speaker 1: hasn't served, but I think we can talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot of issues and and and the audience does want

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Speaker 1: to be helpful, So I think it'll be a kind

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Speaker 1: of an eye opener to a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of listeners and who are always asking us and emailing

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Speaker 1: us in like, how do we help my friend he's transitioning,

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Speaker 1: you know, what can I do to help? So hopefully

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Speaker 1: that'll that'll stimulate to my ideas because it is a

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Speaker 1: problem right now. You know, we have one of the

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Speaker 1: largest transitions in our lifetime of active duty to civilian

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Speaker 1: and a lot of a lot of people just kind

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Speaker 1: of suffering, especially now with the economy being affected by

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Speaker 1: the whole COVID nineteen. But I hope you enjoyed kind

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Speaker 1: of a little sneak peek Bob's story, which is quite amazing.

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Speaker 1: His book Six Days of Impossible. It's about his seal

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Speaker 1: Hell Week experience. You know, those of you that that

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Speaker 1: don't know what hell week is. It's at the end

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Speaker 1: of first phase of seal training, which is divided up

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Speaker 1: into three phases. The first phases kind of kick you

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Speaker 1: in the nuts phase, Um, they try and throw everything

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Speaker 1: at you they can. And at the end of that

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Speaker 1: kind of six weeks is Hell Week, which is where

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Speaker 1: they keep you up with no sleep for five and

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Speaker 1: a half days straight. And it's not just you know,

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Speaker 1: stay awake, it's you know, swim two miles in the

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Speaker 1: ocean at night, you know, run thirty miles handling firearms

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Speaker 1: and another dangerous stuff. So, um, it is a pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing how far you can push yourself and how

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Speaker 1: far the what the human body is it is capable of.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have Bob back next week, so tune in

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Speaker 1: for that. I would love to talk to him about,

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Speaker 1: like I said, the Delta Force stuff. I also want

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Speaker 1: to talk about a student of mine, Johnny Kim, who

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Speaker 1: was a sniper student, went to Harvard Med School. As

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Speaker 1: if that wasn't enough, applied to the astronaut program, and

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Speaker 1: it's now the third Navy Seal astronaut behind my platoon

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Speaker 1: Commander Chris Cassidy, who's in charge of the astronaut program.

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Speaker 1: Navy CEL sniper, Harvard Med School, now astronaut. So Johnny

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Speaker 1: Kim is pretty pretty amazing story. But I'm sure Bob

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Speaker 1: as a few stories about Johnny he could share with us. Well,

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Speaker 1: and that's it. I hope you guys enjoyed this show.

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Speaker 1: We're really kind of ramping up the podcast, getting some

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Speaker 1: really cool guests on kind of breathing some life back

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Speaker 1: into it. You know, we got our asses kicked at

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Speaker 1: the end of last year. I'll get into that maybe

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Speaker 1: on one of the other episodes two as well. But

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Speaker 1: excited that we have a partnership with i Heart Media

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Speaker 1: and now the podcast Software Radio is on the i

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Speaker 1: Heart platform. We're pretty excited about that and that opens

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Speaker 1: up a ton of opportunities for us to get some

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Speaker 1: really interesting guests on the show, from rocks rock musicians

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Speaker 1: to UH actors and all sorts of a crazy guests.

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Speaker 1: So appreciate you guys tuning in. Please check out all

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Speaker 1: We're also running a special right now twelve months of

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Speaker 1: One of the other things I want to mention we

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Speaker 1: are doing this year a fishing, diving, and hunting trip

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Speaker 1: three septar trips, kind of sponsored by one of the

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Speaker 1: one of the staff writers on SOFTWAREP, so be on

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Speaker 1: the lookout for that. We're pretty excited to do that

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of you know, just for our core subscribers,

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Speaker 1: but it's a way to kind of build community and

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Speaker 1: have some fun low offs esteem. Um, so look for that.

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Speaker 1: That will be you know, over the next twelve months,

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Speaker 1: we'll be putting that in place with Nick Kaufman, our

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Speaker 1: editor in chief. And that's it. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the show and I'll see you next week with

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Speaker 1: Bob Adams out here. Love them listening to self rep Radio.

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Speaker 1: New episodes up every Wednesday and Friday. Follow the show

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