1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Welcome back on Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson and 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Matt I wanted to touch on this um because it 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: came up late last week and Steelers had a game 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: and we didn't really get a chance to talk about 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: it over the weekend at the Hall of Fame UM. 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: But there's some talk that c. J. Henderson may not 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: figure than the plans in Jacksonville. We're once we're on 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: a cornerback. We're on a cornerback, guys rant here or 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: just that's what we're talking about today. A lot. I 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: thought he was fine last year as rookie. It's tough 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: for rookie cornerbacks to h to make it a big 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: impact in the NFL. But a lot of Steeler fans, hey, 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: the steelershould trade for c J. Henderson. I don't know 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: that he's necessarily the kind of corner that they liked. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: A good conversation, good player, but not a real physical cornerback, 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 1: not a big um. Every rookie corner last year really 17 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: had a hard time and rule a thumb. Rookie corner 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: the rules against you. It's different than college. And I 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: think the COVID situation hurt corners more than people realize, 20 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, like I always go back to running backs. 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: We thought running backs, we find a week one. They 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: weren't as rookies last year. It took a while. So collectively, Akuda, 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: you know Henderson, they were the two top picks, they 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: were the top ten guys. They struggled, but so did 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: every other corner. Really, Snead for the Chiefs was probably 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: the best of the group. I think he was a 27 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: third or fourth round pick. But Henderson started the season 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: better than any of the other corners. And if you 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: bring up his combine numbers, they're incredible. I mean, he's 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: a real specimen um. The new defensive coordinator in Jacksonville 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: comes from Baltimore, and I've kind of left to the 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: conclusion that if you're going to higher Ravens guy, you're 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: probably going to blitz a lot and put a lot 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: of stress on your corners and play a lot of 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: man coverage. And Henderson is somebody that they adopted. You know, 36 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: this Cliss group did not draft him. The group before 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: them did correct and since then they used a very 38 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: very early pick on Campbell, the corner out of Georgia, 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: who's also very long and good tester, and they gave 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: Griffin big money from Seattle, who's also very long and 41 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: has a heavy Cover three background. But Seattle also played 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Man last year, more than they have, 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: so I assumed they want to be big long press 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: man cover guys, maybe mixing some Cover three with three corners. 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: They have all the caps face in the world. Myso 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: had corners. But it might just be Henderson's not for them. Um, 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, he's not the he's not 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: a glass eater, You're right, I mean he is. I 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: don't want to say he's a Dion like guy, but 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: he's happy on the edge, playing man coverage and not 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: tackling Jerome Battist coming around the edge type of guy, 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, but he's two hundre pounds. I 53 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: mean he is a specimen. Side note. I find it 54 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: unbelievably odd and horrible from a team building standpoint, and 55 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily this staff's fault. But every high pick 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: the Jags have had is on another team, Worts and 57 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Ramsey and for Ned, and I don't know is gonna 58 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: work out long term. That's another whole story. I think 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: he might have too much power and is in over 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: his head and might be like the year from now, 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: this isn't really for me, you know, really won four 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: games and this isn't as easy as recruiting five star 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: dudes left and right, But it kind of reminds me 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: to make a deal, you know, like if teams are 65 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: going to give up on how many times in draft 66 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: season do we talk about there's fifteen guys that are 67 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: first round picks any any year, and Henderson to me 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: absolutely qualifies as one of those. He could come out 69 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: next year to be a top fifteen pick the year 70 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: after ten years ago, you know, somewhere between probably ten 71 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: and fifteen. So if some team's gonna pay his signing 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: bonus as a rookie and you can get him and 73 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: had a really good grade on him a year ago, 74 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: which I don't know if they did or not, the 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: stealers in a Minca type situation, that's really good business. 76 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: I know, I know they had a top five grade 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: on Minca. I don't know if Henderson, but I don't 78 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: know if they had that. I bet not. So what 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: are you giving up for him? That? That's always it 80 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: always sounds nice in a vacuum, right, like, oh he 81 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: did go get that guy? Okay, what do you got 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: to give up? It's Aaron Rodgers sits you Like, Okay, 83 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm interested in Aaron Rodgers if the asking prices two 84 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: or three, but it's not going to be. I'm not 85 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: interested in giving up a couple of first round draft 86 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: picks for thirty nine year old Aaron Rodgers. Totally different conversation. 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: I might be convinced to do that and try to 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: win Super Bowl. But the Steeler's first round pick next 89 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: year is off the table for any trade unless it 90 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: involves a quarterback, you know what I mean? Like that, 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: that pick doesn't have to be a quarterback, but it 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: has to be in my deck of cards to help 93 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: me get one if yeah, exactly away and be loaded 94 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: a corner. But I don't have resources to get a quarterback. 95 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Like so that pick is not negotiable. You can't have 96 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: our one. I'd give you two. They can take it too. 97 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: I think the playoff you may need to for a quarterback. Maybe, 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's say, you know, any time, let's 99 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: say that's such a discount, though I would make that trade. 100 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: You know, let's say you're drafting somewhere in the twenties 101 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: this year, eighteen or lower, whatever it is, eighteen or higher, 102 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: however you want to look at it midst and there's 103 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback there at in that that eight to eight 104 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: to fifteen range somewhere you're gonna have to move up 105 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: to go get him. Yeah, you're gonna need that too. Yeah. 106 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean trading future picks is scary corners 107 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: a premium position and could be a need though. And 108 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: if you had a first round grade on Henderson overall, 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: don't have any character concerns with him or anything like that, 110 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: I would buy him at the discount. I just don't 111 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: know that. You know, where does he fit into the 112 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: equation on this team? He would that would you gave 113 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Cam Sutton money you like Joe Hayden, it would rock 114 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: like you like Pierre Um. You know you got Antwoin Brooks. 115 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: I just don't know where he fits in in this 116 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: In this situation right, it rocks the Apple card for 117 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: now and kind of tells Hayden, we're not giving you 118 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: that contract attention to some degree, I mean I would 119 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: I looked at it as it hurts the long the 120 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: long term or the the the short term, the short 121 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: term of your team to do something like it and 122 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: be very on Steeler like like they made. They made 123 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: the trade for make of Fitzpatrick only after Sean Davis 124 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: was injured. Hm. They didn't say, you know, if they 125 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: I don't know that if Sean Davis doesn't get hurt, 126 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Sean Davis is healthy, they probably don't make that trip. 127 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: We aren't even in the market. And maybe they are, 128 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they say, okay, we can give that 129 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: up for we we love the player, we can do that. 130 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: But they only made the deal after Sean Davis got 131 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: hurt because they always think about the big picture in 132 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: their locker room and they have a plan that's working. 133 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: So you don't get a Zavian Howard situation where hey, 134 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: you get Byron Jones more money than me. What the hell? Yeah, 135 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: the timing is bad, Yeah, yeah, because I'm looking at 136 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: it like you can get a a premium talent to 137 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: be Hayden's replacement on a very cost controlled contract. But 138 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: it's messy for now, you know it basically will be 139 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: saying Sutton, you're moving back to the slot even though 140 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: we told you that's not what we wanted and this 141 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: Brooks experiments not worth it, and Pierre, we put you 142 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: on a a year later time frame, and all this 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: work we did kind of gets thrown away a little bit. 144 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: If in a bad year or is struggling and you 145 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: can make the deal with the trade deadline or in 146 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: the off season, that's different. That's different. That's different. That's 147 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: not doing it right now. It's not doing it right now. 148 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: If I'm the Jaguars, I'm not giving up on a 149 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: guy just spent a high first round pick. It makes 150 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: no sense. I don't care if I didn't pick him 151 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: or not, unless he's a bad human being. Nobody. Yeah, 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: nobody had that guy you mentioned Campbell. Campbell was not 153 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: like there was so much. He was not considered one 154 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: of the top guys in this year's draft. No, no, 155 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: maybe he's a first round, late first round guy, second 156 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: or third round maybe you know, you don't, you didn't know. 157 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: Nobody said that about Henderson. Henderson was the first round 158 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: pick the whole way, I mean everyone had him. Is 159 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: probably the two behind the coat A Kuda Yeah you 160 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: know right, Um, Yeah, that's a good I actually thought 161 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: about that with a Kuda too, Like that's the whole 162 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: new staff in Detroit. Could somebody pry him away for 163 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: you know, seventy cents on the dollar. I just think 164 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: I think Dan Campbell, maybe, for despite his lack of 165 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: head coaching experience in the NFL, has been around the 166 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: NFL long enough. I think he has a better understanding 167 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: of things than Urban Meyer at the NFL level. Yeah. 168 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I mean if a second year highly drafted two hundred 169 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: pounds three four three long arm corner that was great 170 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: in college is pretty valuable. Yeah, you can figure out 171 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: what that's Sometimes, I think the failure of some of 172 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: these guys coming from the college game to go to 173 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: the pros, Well, it's my My system worked in college. 174 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: Your system works. You a great player, great players, You 175 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: were better than everybody else. You were at Ohio State, 176 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: you were at Florida. Now, he also wanted Utah. His 177 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: system was revolutionary, but it's not anymore. It's not anymore. 178 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: He turned Alex Smith into the first overall pick and 179 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: he quit Florida. I know, wonderful quick again, I think so, 180 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: I I wouldn't trust him for a long term. No, 181 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't think but Lawrence or anything. I think you 182 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: see that with some of these college coaches when they 183 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: move around. When my system is my system, No good 184 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: coaches adjust to the talent that they have on their 185 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: available too. Yeah, you know it's different when you can 186 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: get any kid you want in Ohio and go to 187 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: Miami and get five star guys too. That's what tmans, 188 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, Thomas and seleboas um. If you have red paint, 189 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: you paint the barn red. If you have green paints, 190 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: you paint the barn green. That's what you do. That's 191 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: what coaching is. And he takes it easy. You know. 192 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: I get Trevor Lawrence right, and yeah, I'll come back 193 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: if if I were the first pick overall. I mean, 194 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: if the Jets would have the first pick overall. Doesn't 195 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: even take the job, and they have all these picks 196 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: and he can get his guys, you know, like I 197 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: don't know if he comes back to work with Zach 198 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: Wilson or Fields or whoever they pick it to, you know. Um, 199 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: So he said team building very easy, which they had 200 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: a ton of cap space and they could do it. 201 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: And even then he complained about the free agent process, 202 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: like I don't like this free Like now you had 203 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: competition because before, yeah, only thing you got going for 204 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: you is playing time and no state tax. But I 205 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: mean it's not like you have a winning tradition there 206 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: at all um and even complained, strangely, we really wanted 207 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: to Darius Tony, but we took a a you know, 208 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: say that we were gonna take him, but he went 209 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: to pick before us or whatever before us, Like, why 210 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: would you even bring that out? He does that. I 211 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: just don't think he knows right what he got himself. 212 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: He also did some weird things with strength coaches and 213 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, some of the stuff. Like I'm not saying 214 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: he could have hid some of those things at the 215 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: college level, but it's not as obvious. And you know, 216 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: there's more people on your side and boosters and press 217 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: and telling you how great you are, and we're just 218 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: happy you're here. You're gonna win a bunch of games, 219 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: especially after you've won national titles and whatnot. You get 220 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: away with more questionable moves, and not even necessarily bad moves, 221 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: but just the ones that aren't gonna get scrutinized as much. 222 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, but yeah, I think your point's great 223 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: about even more. I think it through. It's like if 224 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: he added the equation right now, it rocks the boat 225 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: too much, and the boats in pretty nice shape. Yeah, 226 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the Steelers secondary is nearly 227 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: is in bed of shape as some of the national 228 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: prognosticators seem to think. No, I don't either. What if 229 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Hayden were to get hurt in preseason and that that's different, 230 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: that's differ if a new need, I mean, if they 231 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: can get hrowt in preseason. I think Pierre's a starter, 232 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, And I think Pierre's a guy. Yeah, 233 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I think they feel he's a guy. Yeah. 234 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: Like if my point is if Sutton or Hayden where 235 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: to get hurt in the preseason, I don't think the 236 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: Steelers would have to panic and go get somebody. I 237 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: think they are happy with Pierre. But then your depth 238 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: is really worthy. Yeah, then maybe you add a depth piece, 239 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: but you're not adding it necessarily a starter. Maybe they would, 240 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, But you know, again, if the price 241 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: is what's the price, that's the thing you have to 242 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: ask yourself on every you know, yeah, would you like 243 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: to add whoever you know player player A? Okay, yeah, 244 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: certainly you'd like to add him. But what's it gonna 245 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: cont it's gonna cost? The first round pick is not 246 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: on the board, No, it's not available, period and a sentence. Yeah, 247 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: and to your point, that seconds pretty damn valuable. Yeah, 248 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean you better. You're gonna be in the quarterback market, 249 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: and quarterbacks cost picks. If you're in trade for one, 250 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: that might be you know, a first dance. Second again, 251 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: if it's the difference between you being able to move 252 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: up six spots to go get your quarterback of the 253 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: future or not. If you're competing with the giants for 254 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: the same veteran, Yeah, it's gonna be hard to compete 255 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, you know, you don't have to for 256 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: future first or things like that, or you know whatever, 257 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: but now you need all the all the bullets in 258 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: your gun. Yeah. Uh. 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You were listening to 268 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: the official voice of Black and Golden Nations. Are welcome 269 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: back on Dale Lilly here with Matt Williamson and Matt 270 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people talking about the T J. 271 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: Watt contract situation. Um, probably the biggest news of camp 272 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: at the moment. Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean, you 273 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: know they're there, best player not practicing, all right. I 274 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: don't want to say not practicing. It makes it sound 275 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: like people are calling this a hold out. It's not 276 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: a holdouts. Not home on his couch. He's in camp. Hey, 277 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: he's going to meetings, which is huge, which is gigantic. Right, 278 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: he's there on the practice field every day. He's not 279 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: in a shooting tie on the sideline standing there and 280 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: he's still workout gear. He doesn't go home after the 281 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: meetings and say I'll see you guys, I'm gonna goem 282 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna go to McDonald's. Or he's not Deshaun Watson sitting 283 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, getting only there because he doesn't have to 284 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: pay fifty grand a day playing free safety and stuff. 285 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: For the Texans and he's participating, he's doing he's just 286 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: not doing anything. He's not doing any eleven on eleven work, 287 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: the physical stuff, the physical stuff, and he's still doing 288 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: indies and individuals still have some of the individuals and 289 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: stuff like that, the things that aren't too physical. Yeah, yeah, 290 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: you know want some of this, you know, step on 291 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: them wrong or whatever. Right, So it's not a situation 292 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: where to me. You know, we talked to Art Rooney 293 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: last week. We played it back over the weekend and 294 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: he said, Hey, we want to get this deal done 295 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: before the seasons. It's a priority. And I know that 296 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people wonder about, well why don't the 297 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Steelers negotiate during the season, And here was a stretch. 298 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: I never understood that either, And you explained it well, 299 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: so maybe you want to let's go through this again. 300 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: So was really the first year of a salary cap 301 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Was the first year in the NFL. 302 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Is also my first year covering the NFL. Um So 303 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: I've covered the entire salary cap era. But um so 304 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: Adrian Cooper that year, tight end of people don't remember. 305 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: He was there, the number two guy behind air cream. 306 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: He was the better blocker, and you know he was 307 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: but valuable guy. Yeah, yeah, he played. So they told 308 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: told his agent that they would talk to him about 309 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: he was in year three, said hey, we'll talk to 310 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: you about a contract extension here. The contract talks kind 311 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: of broke off, and they stayed in contact throughout the 312 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: course of the season. Um. And then at the end 313 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: to the year, after their last game, Cooper comes out 314 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: and says, you know, the fact that they didn't give 315 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: me a contract this year really affected the way I 316 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: played on the field. UM. And so it's a terrible 317 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: way to get a contract, by the way, from any team. 318 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: And they ended up trading him in the off season 319 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Okay, so he wasn't even up. No, he 320 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: wanted for a year early. He wanted the you know, 321 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: he wanted the extension to be their long term UM, 322 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: which I find a little odd. He's not exactly Tony 323 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: Gonzalez or Rob gren Cows. He's a backup tight end 324 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: who plays. But you know you're asking for I mean, 325 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: but Dan Rooney decided, hey, we're gonna have a blanket 326 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: uh organizational philosophy here that we are not going to 327 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: like will negotiate up to the start of the regular season. 328 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: Once the regular season starts, if we let everybody know 329 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: that we're hey, this isn't personal or anything like that. 330 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: We don't negotiate during the sea. We were doing this. Yeah, 331 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: when you're kids. This is gonna be an organizational philosophy. 332 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we don't like you. We just want 333 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: you to focus on playing this season out. We'll talk 334 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: to you again once the season is over. There still 335 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: a window there we could get something done. I'm glad 336 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: we don't want this to linger into the season and 337 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden now that the player is more 338 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: concerned about his contract status than he is hit playing 339 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: on the field. The one thing I wanted to note is, 340 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that window between when free agency 341 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: opens and when the season ends, because I think a 342 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: lot of people listening just assume his contracts up seasons over, 343 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: Oh he's gone. Yeah, because this has lost a lot 344 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: of free agents, but usually guys that they don't mind 345 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: losing many instances, and I'm sure you could rattle off 346 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: a ton of them. In that window they get their 347 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: guys signed. They typically do Cam Sutton this year. Yeah, right, right, 348 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: the perfect example You're a priority. You know, you get 349 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: it done and they never hit the free agent market 350 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: where they might have made more more buck. But everyone's 351 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: happy with the situation. And that doesn't mean you can 352 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: never talk to the agent during the season, right I mean, 353 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: like or you know, drop the agent note, we're really 354 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: interested in your guy, and we're excited to talk to negotiate, 355 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: not gonna negotiate during the season. And I think that 356 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: takes that often. Once you let everybody know, hey, this 357 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: is the organizational philosophy. Um, it is what it is. 358 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: It also puts a deadline. That's what it's about to say. 359 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: Deadlines get things done. Deadlines get things It's the same 360 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: reason why at the end of the season you've got 361 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: that time to get that period between the end of 362 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: the season and the start a free agency. You see 363 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: so many deals done before the start of free agency. 364 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: You see the Steelers get things done before the start 365 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: of the season, right, And we were seeing a lot 366 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: of deals around the league right now too, you know. 367 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's a good time of year for that 368 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: as well. The Josh Allen's and big name guys, and 369 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: Watt obviously fits in that category. Heaven forbid, it doesn't 370 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: get done by the opening day, you can still franchise him, 371 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, I mean like, he's still he's still gonna 372 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: play out this See he's still he's still got a 373 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: guaranteed contract that you know. It's not like, oh, he's 374 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: gonna be playing for the Bengals next year. But I 375 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: see people like, well, this is a holdout. Like no, 376 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: heinz word in two thousand five was a holdout. He 377 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: he skipped out on some days of training camp. One 378 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: of the things that across the league before the new 379 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: CBA changes that that guys, really, you can hold out, 380 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: but it's gonna cost you, but it's fifty grand a 381 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: day that you never get that you can't Teams can't 382 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: wave now because ye know what used to happen is 383 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: the guy would hold out. The Steelers had also have 384 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: a organizational philosophy that if you're holding out not you're 385 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: not in camp, they're not going to negotiate with you. You 386 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: You have to show up before they'll they'll negotiate. It's 387 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: a show of good faith. Um. But back in the day, 388 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: you could find guys for not showing up, but typically 389 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: those fines got waived when you signed the guy to 390 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: the new contract at that. Yeah, that don't wear at right, 391 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: and that's illegal now you can't you can't do it 392 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: now in the new CBA is fifty dollars a day 393 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: and you can't wave that fee. Side note on this 394 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: cot I mentioned Shaun Watson. I wonder if that's a 395 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: good thing for the new CBA or not, because some 396 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: of these like the Shawn Watson goes to camp every 397 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: day for the Texans. What on earth does he do? 398 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't play quarterback? Does he just sit 399 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: in his car? Does? He said at the lunch table. 400 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: I mean he just doesn't want to pay his fifty 401 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: grand I mean, I guess one practice he played free safety. 402 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: Like what good is that? I mean, that's an odd 403 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: situation's getting paid? Though, Well I know why, I know 404 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: why he's there, But like I wouldn't want even want 405 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: them there if I'm Houston, you know what I mean? 406 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Like I think that I think that out the team 407 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: still have the option to send a player home. You 408 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: can you can say hey, we check in and check 409 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: in and and you don't have to be here, go ahead, 410 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: and but you know, I think in that Deshaun Watson case, 411 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe they're holding out some kind of hope that hey, 412 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: look the league allows you to play, or we're gonna 413 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: try to trade you here, or you know, his criminals 414 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: charges aside, There's just been many already didn't want to 415 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: be in huge That's what I mean. There's so many instances, 416 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, not even him, over the last twenty years 417 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: of player and team have detached. They're basically getting divorce 418 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: and everybody knows it. So why am I here in camp? 419 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, if there was some steeler here in camp 420 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: who has to go through the motions, who was a 421 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: big name guy, just because he doesn't want to pay 422 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: fifty grand a year, it's just what good is that 423 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: for anybody? I think he's also, you know, again a 424 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: tradeable commodity, so you keep him around in camp to 425 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: make sure that he still remains a tradeable commodity. Doesn't 426 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: go out. Hey de Seawan, we don't want you here. 427 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: And he's off in Mexico riding, uh you know, jet 428 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: skis or something pulls a Kellen Winslow and he's riding 429 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: around on his motorcycle and shatters a leg or something. Right, Yeah, 430 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's an odd situation 431 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: in the in the the new cb A. But but 432 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: it does change things that aren't gonna be holdout holdouts. 433 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: You know, like even Aaron Rodgers, he could be as 434 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: bold as he once all offseason, then he comes to 435 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: camp and I don't know. The teams have a lot 436 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: more power, they have more power. I don't know that 437 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: what would be holding out? See, I bet he would beginning, 438 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that he would be skipping. I don't 439 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: think he'd be home by himself. No, I mean again, 440 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: it's not a holdout, right, He's in camp, he's working. Yeah, 441 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a there's a thought out 442 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: there that well, he's he's not practicing, he's not doing anything. No, 443 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: he's he's working on his conditioning, he's doing drills on 444 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, true holdouts are detrimental to the progress of 445 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: the team. You know, they're not contributing, they're not being 446 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: part of the team. And I don't know, I mean 447 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Stefanto it is doing a lot of the same things 448 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: the d J Watt is. He's working on the side 449 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: on his conditioning, he's going through drills, working on his 450 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: hand placement, things of that nature. Different circum just not 451 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: doing eleven on eleven work. See. I wonder and we'll 452 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: never probably know this answer or maybe something he'll tell 453 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: you someday. But I wonder if there's such an open, 454 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: you know, stream of communication between t J and the 455 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: team that he goes and sits down with Tomlin and says, hey, 456 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna work on this contract. I'm not gonna do 457 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: a team And Tomlin's like, a good idea. We didn't 458 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: want you to. We weren't going to have you do 459 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it anyway, right, and thought like we 460 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: wanted we're gonna dress you for a preseason game after 461 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: preseason game anyway. I mean, like this might be a 462 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: mutual decision. Like they've held Terrell Edmonds out of a 463 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: lot of the contact rules until this week. Um, Hayden 464 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: has been a you know, they've they've taken things slowly 465 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: with him and we're ramping things up into camp. Hey 466 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: where it gets days off, Roethlisberger gets days off, you 467 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: take that's not much different. You know, Devin Bush has 468 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: been you know in and not now he's coming off 469 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: a knee injury, but you know, so it's a little different. 470 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: But they've been very I wonder if it would be 471 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: about how they use guys. If he wasn't up this year, 472 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: if this was last year and did the exact same 473 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: thing every practice he does this year, would it even 474 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: be a story. It would just be like, Oh, Watson 475 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: camp and looks good, but he's not to in the 476 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: themes you need to see what? Right? Yeah, he doesn't 477 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: need it. I just think some people are making way 478 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: too much of this, and maybe it serves some of 479 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what their purposes, but it's a quick 480 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: question for you and I I don't have this answer. 481 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: Do you see any other contracts happening besides what before 482 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: the season. There's potential for that, and Rooney did say 483 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: that we'll, you know, we'll certainly be open to, you know, 484 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: anything that makes sense for us. I mean, Hayden's the 485 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: newest news. Yeah. I still think Washington and somebody I 486 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: would pursue, but that's me out on a limb doing 487 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: my own thing. I don't know who else would be 488 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: in that conversation though, And I'm like, I might extending 489 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: juju or you know a lot of these guys are 490 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: on one year deals for a reason. Yeah, I don't 491 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: know who would be next. Maybe Edmonds potentially, I mean, 492 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: I think if you could do something long term with him. Um. Again, 493 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: they the only reason they didn't pick up the fifth 494 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: year option was because they didn't want to pay that. 495 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: You know. It's like I think it was like seven 496 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: or eight million, maybe more. Yeah, but so you then 497 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: had twenty million dollars tied up in your in your safeties. 498 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: You can get him. He seems like the perfect the 499 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: day of the season ends, you know, that window before 500 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: free agency. Yeah, because I think he likes it here. 501 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: It's you know, he's comfortable in the defense. It's someone 502 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: to give him a million for the year. He I 503 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: think he and edmar He and Makeing Fitzpatrick are a 504 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: good duo. Um, he's still young, I mean, second contract. 505 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: How would you ranked him in terms of overall in 506 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: the league as a duo? M hmm, I know you did. 507 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: I know you did rankings last year of the individual safeties, 508 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: and because my number one safety in the league, And 509 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: part of it's because he's a little unique. Is the 510 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: free which I think is harder to fine. I put 511 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: more value than that. But there's a lot of good ones. Um, 512 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: the Bill's pair comes to mind. They don't really have 513 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: a weakness. You know they're a really good group. I 514 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: think a really up and coming pair is the Packers. 515 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: I think Savage is a star and the King and 516 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: Amos is a very solid player. Um they get top five, well, 517 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: there might be one because weight it carries off. Again, 518 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't think edmonds Is is bad. No, Denver's are good. Um. 519 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: I think if you were, if you were putting together 520 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: and it's so it's it's so difficult because free and 521 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: strong are so different, right, and every team uses them differently. 522 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: And you know, like I mentioned the Bills because those 523 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: two are very interesting, changeable. They have a corner background 524 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: and which works great for the way they play. You know, 525 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: they disguise their safeties extremely well. It's hard to tell 526 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: what both players intentions are. Where the Steelers are a 527 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: little more static, not everything that but make it's in 528 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: deep center and you know what he does. But I 529 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: think he's the best one since Earl Thomas and is 530 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: in that neighborhood as an elite free safety. And that's 531 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: like Earl Thomas had read neighborhood, you know what I mean. 532 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't have reads body of work or Thomas's, 533 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: but that's the path he's on. That's pretty darn strong. 534 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: Come if you're If we're putting together a list of 535 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: the top twenty five safeties, regardless of position, both will 536 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: be on that list and want to be one. One 537 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: might be in the twenties. There's a lot more safeties 538 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: in the league. When you start dealing the list. It's 539 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: not as hard to get to twenties as you think. 540 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: Because I did that list not too long. I'm thinking, boys, 541 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: safeties aren't gonna be any fun, you know, like I 542 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: did tight Ends. It's like I got bad guys on here, 543 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, some guys starting tight ends are bad. 544 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: But there's there's twenty five really good safeties. I'm not 545 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: promising Edmunds would be on the list, but he'd be 546 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: right around there. He's not for AWE. He's certainly an 547 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: honorable mentioned if not, and I think he's an ascending player. 548 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: Like we talked about the last last hour, let's just 549 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: a little more. Does a few different type things. You know, 550 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: probably played through an injury to some degree last year. 551 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the arrow is pointing up. I'm 552 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 1: not sure I trade that duo. What I trade him 553 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: for the bills? What I trade him for the packers. 554 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: I'd hate to give up. I mean, you don't like 555 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: giving up the biggest piece in the deal. Yeah, the 556 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: best player. You never want to give up the best 557 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: player in the deal. That's a little fantasy, uh recommendation, 558 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: where you never give up the best player in a deal. 559 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: We'll do more fantasy right after this. How about that segue? There? 560 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I'm dale Ally. We'll be back 561 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: at the Fantasy Football Focus to finish up the show 562 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to the Drive. I'm dale 563 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: Ally here with Matt Williamson. Is time for the Fantasy 564 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: Football Focus and Matt, as we did yesterday, we're going 565 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: to draft oh yeah players, a quarterback, running back, wide receiver, 566 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: tight end. Um, you can only take one guy from 567 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: each team. We're gonna go to the a f C. East. 568 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: This one's tough. This one's real tough. Se get the Bills, Dolphins, Patriots. 569 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: So I think I'm going to start these exercises by 570 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: who has an acceptable tight end? You know, the ones, 571 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: the spots that are harder to find. I don't want Herndon. 572 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: I can live with Kaseki. The Bills situation ain't gonna 573 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: cut it. For me, and you want the bills for 574 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: so that doesn't break my heart. I'm definitely taking Alan 575 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: or Digs. That's the home run of the whole division 576 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: in my opinion. I can live with Johnny Smith, though, 577 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I want any other Patriots 578 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: where I think I might look at Damien Harris, would 579 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: rather have Gaskin or Harris though. You know, like, if 580 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna take, you trust Gaskin to stay. Hell, I 581 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: don't trust. I think Gaskin is going way too high 582 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: in a lot of fantasy drafts. I do too. I'm 583 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: not very impressed. I just don't. I mean, he he 584 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: produced last year, but he produced over like six games. 585 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't trust him to It's a hard puzzle to 586 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: put together, this one, really is. I'm gonna go. I 587 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna take. I mean, you gotta take a jet. 588 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: You gotta take a jet, you gotta take a Dolphin. Yeah, 589 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: and you gotta take a Patriot. The whole problem with 590 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: the whole exercise, there's only two good tight ends in 591 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: the division. It's really only two good running backs, and 592 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: they're not that good. So I guess I gotta take 593 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: one of those two running I'm gonna take Gasking. Okay, 594 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take I'm gonna start with quarterback. 595 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: I am taking Josh Allen, I am too, Okay, Okay, 596 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm going Alan Gasking is my running back. Who's your 597 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: running back? I'm gonna take Damien Harris. Okay, fair enough. 598 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know. You don't have any Patriots and 599 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't, So I am then taking Gisiki as my 600 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: tight end, which means which means I gotta take one 601 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: of the Jets receivers. Yeah, and I'm taking Elijah More 602 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: I think, I think that's who I want to write. 603 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, just taking a Jet in general hurts you. 604 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're gonna go here. There will be a 605 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of fantasy drafts this year where there will be 606 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: no Jets. Maybe Michael Carter. I like Elijah Moore a lot. 607 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: Davis will Factory, but they're way way down the list 608 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: right right. I considered taking Zack Wilson and Diggs. Yeah, 609 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: I mean Diggs is way better than the Jets receivers 610 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: and way better than any receiver in the division. To 611 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: be honest, I miss they're heading shoulders above. So I 612 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: ended up with Alan Gaskin more John Dow Yeah, I 613 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: had that has to be the worst division. It has 614 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: to be. I mean, I can't imagine anything. It's worse, 615 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: right right, Well, let's keep rolling here, let's do the 616 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: a f C. South. This one's like, who are you 617 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: taking off the Texans to get to start there? David? 618 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: But that means I can't have Julio or a Right, 619 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: that's the problem. Or but I'm still taking Cooks. I 620 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: can't live with anybody else on their team. And I I 621 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: think that's where you start. I think David Johnson's in play. 622 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: But then you can't take any of the running backs 623 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: off the other teams. And there's some good ones. There's 624 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: some good ones Henry and Taylor. I don't want any 625 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: of the culture receivers. Now, there's enough good receiver. Actually, 626 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what I want. Any cults are than Taylor. 627 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking too, is Taylor I think has 628 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: to be my running back. Tight Ends are bad, tight 629 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: ends are awful. I don't want anything. I mean, mo 630 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: Ali Cox might be the best tight ended. I think 631 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: I have to go with work. Yeah, but then you 632 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: don't get hit, and then I get Lawrence. See I 633 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: got that. I'm going Lawrence, Okay, Taylor, Lawrence Taylor. There, 634 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: Laurence Taylor. Um, who is my receiver? Though? You're taking 635 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: Cooks right, Taylor? Cooks correct works, sir. I think that's 636 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: the same that the same way I would go with that. 637 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: That's the way that puzzle comes together. But you leave 638 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: some good guys on the table. It's not quite the 639 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: way that the a f C East was, No, but 640 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: that one it almost has to be that way. It 641 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: almost has to be that way because Houston so bad, 642 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: Houston so bad, and Jacksonville's kind of I mean much 643 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: rather pick from the Jets than the Texans. Yeah, I 644 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: mean I can only live with one Texan. I can't 645 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: live with the other guys. They'll be I think there'll 646 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: be two guys drafted from the Johnson. Johnson is gonna 647 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: get drafted yet they have a hundred running backs. Yeah, 648 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: how about the a f C West. This one's interesting 649 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: because you want to save room for chief, but you 650 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: only get one. But off the top of my head, 651 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm taking Waller. Okay, that makes easier. So now my 652 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: other three spots aren't so nasty. I kind of want 653 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: to take my homes. But Herbert ain't bad. Um, I 654 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: can't take the Denver. Who am I taking from Denver's 655 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: I guess is the stumbling block I even take maybe 656 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: Fans or Judy took Waller. Waller is an easy pick 657 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: because I'm getting a great tight end and the Kelsey 658 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: problem is not there. Then you still got to take 659 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: a Bronco. You don't want a quarterback, no, so you 660 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: gotta take a running back or a wide receiver. I 661 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: don't know what you want a running back off of 662 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: that team because there's two. I bet you could maybe 663 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: build a better team than this. But I think I'm 664 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: going my homes Eckler Judy Waller. That's what I was 665 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: thinking myself. I thought Ekeler would be the guy that 666 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: I might sneak my bye on you there. Um, I 667 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: guess you could go Fants but and but then you're 668 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: taking a Josh Jacobs or I'd rather Beckler than Jacobs. Yeah, um, 669 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: I'd like that. I have Tyreek you like to have, 670 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: but you'd like to have my homes Homes is awfully nice. 671 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: Judy's your weak link, but he's end up on a 672 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: lot of my fantasy teams. You could go Courtland Sutton, 673 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: too there though he's been struggling in camp, has just 674 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: made borbs. I'm reading and coming back from the injury. 675 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: I think Bridgewater and Judy are a good connection. I 676 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: prefer Judy to Sutton. Yeah, you know, um Javantae Williams 677 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: is too much of a leap of faith. Yeah, you're 678 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna have some games, especially early in year, 679 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: or maybe he does very little, very little. I can't 680 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: live with that. From opening. That's not a bad team though, 681 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: Waller and my homes Ekeler and Jude use your week link. 682 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: That's a lot better than some of the other division. 683 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: Let's slide over to the NFC East. Who this one's tough. 684 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: You gotta take a giant, Yeah, you gotta take Yeah, 685 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: But I can live with Sakwan or Golliday. Can you 686 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: live with Sake one right now? Yeah? I mean's still 687 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: going to first rounds of Fantasy drifts going late in 688 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: the first round and he just got activated yesterday. So 689 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: you want to take Cowboys, But you know I got 690 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: my team here. Okay, go ahead, Dak Barkley, McLaurin, Gottard, Okay, 691 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: Logan Thomas was in considerate. I was thinking Logan Thomas too. 692 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: From that from Washington and would be a big possibility. 693 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: There's actually a lot to pick from. I mean, Gibson's good, 694 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: Lauren's good, Thomas is good. I think I would go 695 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: Barkley scares me a little. I would go Dak, Gibson, 696 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: mm hm, Goddard. And that means I gotta take a 697 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 1: giant swiders solid. Yeah, Goliday, it's not awful, it's not awful. 698 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: I think you have to take Dak. I mean, I 699 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: guess Hurts would work, but I don't. I don't want Fitzpatrick, No, 700 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: and I don't want Jones. Yeah, I think that's an 701 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: easy one. But that you know, luckily, there's other backs 702 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: and receivers in that division. I think you know ce Ceedee, 703 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: Lamb z hurt it hurts, see Lamb hurts Ingram No, No, 704 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, uh, Barley, Barkley, and then Logan, Logan Thomas. 705 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of combinations, and that I think that's 706 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 1: the one I would put my first dround pick in, though, 707 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: NFC North, I gotta take a bear, Gotta take a bear. 708 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make that Allan Robinson right off the 709 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: bat with thought. Gotta take a line that means right, 710 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: who Parkinson? All right, there's all right, so and I 711 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: either get Rogers or Cousins, Rogers and Cook. Yeah, where 712 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: he could go Cousins and Jones Jones, Right, But I 713 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: didn't get the vont He didn't get the Vonte Adams 714 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: right right, Um, Davi get Jefferson didn't get you could go. 715 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: You could take David Montgomery off the Bears and it's 716 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: not bad, it's not horrible. Yeah, he was better last year, 717 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people gave him credit 718 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: for agreed. No, he's fine. Yeah, I think Hawkinson is 719 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: the guy you have to take. Montgomery might be going 720 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: a little bit later in drafts, and he probably should be. 721 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: I think people are too afraid of three Cohen, which 722 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: is kind of like Ray Ray mc is he gonna 723 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: stay healthy. He's such a Towell too, and he doesn't 724 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: pick up blitz is and he's not as dangerous in 725 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: the real world. People don't like three coh his I think, 726 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: like the last ten weeks of last year, Montgomery was 727 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: like RB six. Yeah, he catches them all a lot. Yeah, 728 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: and he's touchdowns. Yeah. I know, I'm not afraid of him. Yeah, 729 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: but if I can get cooked Jones. I mean, he's 730 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: clearly the third best option running back, and you might 731 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: even be able to talk swift swift into that conversation, 732 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: although they're talking about share time shares and yeah. But 733 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: I think if for our exercise, Rogers is easily the 734 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: number one quarterback and Hawkinson's the easy number one tight end, 735 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: So that gave me good options running back. You know, 736 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: you could live with Smith or you could live with yeah, 737 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: either one of those guys. But if I get the 738 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: best quarterback, I don't know. I still think it's a 739 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: really solid team Rogers and Hawk, and then fill in 740 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: the blanks with either Montgomery, Robinson, Jefferson Cook pretty good. 741 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: It might be the best division. How about the NFC South, 742 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: This might be the best division. Actually, I'm taking Ridley 743 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: to start things I have to take. I got to 744 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: take a Falcon. Oh yeah, bucks are easy bucks. The bucks, 745 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: you you can put them last because you can fill in. Yeah, 746 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: but I don't really love their tight ends or running backs. 747 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,479 Speaker 1: But I can get by with say Gronk or something 748 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: like that if I had to. I'm not taking Ridley. 749 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm taking Pitts. I think there's only one that's a 750 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good call by you. I 751 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: think there's only one tight end I want. It's a 752 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: good call. There's a lot of Bucks receivers, there's a 753 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: lot of Carolina receivers. I want McCaffrey. Yeah, but you 754 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: gotta take a Saint. I think I'm taking Kamara. Oh yeah, 755 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: then you're stuck with I don't know right. The quarterback 756 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: then becomes bad. All right, here's my team. I'm going 757 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: Brady Kamara, d J. Moore, which is probably like the 758 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: fifth best receiver in that division, but he ain't bad 759 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: and Pitts. I might take Robby Anderson versus Moore's conversation 760 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: conversation just because just because of the connection that is 761 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: with Donald. But I can't put Donald or the Saints 762 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: quarterback conversation. And I don't want want with Ryan, you know, 763 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: So it has to be Brady. Yeah. I think I 764 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: think you got the right one there. Yeah. I think 765 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: it has to be Brady and it has to be Pitts. Yeah. 766 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 1: A good call by on Pits. Yeah, And that leaves 767 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: us with the NFC West Kittle. I always start with 768 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: tight ends because there's not made to pick from. A 769 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: good one I to start there, although I think he 770 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: could go Seattle at that, but I'd like to have 771 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 1: you'd like to have Metcalfine's not gonna break my heart 772 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: or yeah, you know, Sermon or any of those dudes. 773 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: I think I take Stafford, Yeah, Bakers, Cardinal. Do you 774 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: want though, that's the Hopkins that is that leaves your Carson. 775 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't want Carson. I don't want any of the 776 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: running backs. The running backs on division are terrible. C J. 777 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: Henderson or not Henderson, Darryl Henders, Harrell Henderson. And then 778 00:41:54,360 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: you get Wilson. Yeah, all right, I'm going Wilson, Okay, Henderson, Hopkins, Kittle. 779 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: That's not that's pretty good. That's a pretty good group. Yeah, 780 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: I feel a lot better about That's actually a really 781 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 1: good that might be the best group. That's pretty strong. Yeah. 782 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: I feel a lot better about Wilson Henderson than I 783 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: do Stafford Carson. Yes, it's been nice to have Kyler 784 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: in there, but I don't want any like then you 785 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: gotta go with like a Woods. Yeah, I think Woods 786 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: is gonna be good. I think what's gonna be good. 787 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: I think I think he's a guy that's being drafted 788 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: too late. Is this a better team Kyler, Carson, Woods, Kittle, 789 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: Kyle is pretty strong? Yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's 790 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: different there's better options in that division. I think I 791 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: don't love the running backs in that division. I mean 792 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: that's the weakness. But you almost have to take Carson 793 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: or Henderson to make it work, and then you you 794 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: really want to have, Well, you got three quarterbacks to 795 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: pick from in that division that are this is as 796 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: a team Tyler, Henderson, Metcalf, Kiddle. That's pretty good too. 797 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: That's a strong division. That's pretty strong. There's a lot 798 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: of puzzle pieces there that all fit nicely together. Some 799 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: of the divisions like that one. If you're picking, I think, 800 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: I think whatever combination you come out of in that 801 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: division of those three you just mentioned might pretty good. Yeah, 802 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,439 Speaker 1: it might be the strong Tyler Kiddle Metcalf is awfully nice. 803 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: If Henderson's your weak link and good offense, Yeah, I 804 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: didn't really want Carson. I mean I could live with Stafford, 805 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: I could live with with Kyler, I could live with 806 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: with with Wilson. Those that, I mean, those are three 807 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: solid quarterbacks. Have been nice to have Hopkins that was 808 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: our first was it? Wilson? Henderson Hopkins Kiddle, Yeah, we 809 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: go with Trey Lance put on the bench. Could have 810 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: done a flex too for all those Yeah, or feel 811 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: a whole team like that. That kind of ruins it 812 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: because you can only pick one guy from each team. 813 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: It really makes thing is interesting when you're look at 814 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: it that way. That kind of gives you an idea. 815 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: You might even like when you're getting sitting down to 816 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: do your fantasy draft, look at things that way. How 817 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: would you value certain guys or other guys. I know 818 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: this isn't fantasy related, but when I'm asked to do 819 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: a power rank, I take every division and I rank 820 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: them one before because that's very easy, and then I 821 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: whoever's you know, I skim one off the top and 822 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: I'm and I'm like, is this guy maybe the third 823 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: one in this division is better than the first one 824 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: this division? But I'm only looking at eight teams at once, 825 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, I just try to narrow things down. If 826 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: I know this four is going to go in this 827 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: order and this flour is gonna go in this order, 828 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the top team of each You know, 829 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 1: one thing that I don't like to do, especially in 830 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: a re draft league, we're going to head to head. 831 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't like to put too many eggs in one basket. 832 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: Like I understand the Chiefs are really good, right, but 833 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: what happens if they have a weather game, especially late 834 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: in the year, they're playing out there, playing in Kansas 835 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: City outdoors, and you know it's just sleading and they 836 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: can't throw of the football. Then what happens to your 837 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: team in the playoffs? It's it's it's it's funny because 838 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm shocking you brought that up because I was thinking 839 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: just the other day, what if I drafted. There's a 840 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: couple of teams that you can really get stacks of 841 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 1: Lamar and Andrews. It doesn't cost you. I mean the 842 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: kidding my homes is hard. I mean, you really gotta 843 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: sell out and you're not gonna have any running and 844 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: people are doing that this year, and I hate playing 845 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: against those teams. Don't get wrong, you don't want to 846 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: see that guy in your schedule, but you have no 847 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: running backs. But I was thinking, what about like you 848 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: could get Wilson Metcalf and lock it. Yeah, you know, 849 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean there's some of those that aren't that expensive 850 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: that you could land that are pretty strong. You know, 851 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and Dad. Like, I think, I don't mind 852 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: doing that for dfs, but I don't want to do 853 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 1: it for season long because you're gonna have some you're 854 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 1: gonna have. Yeah, you better of good backups and trust 855 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,919 Speaker 1: because they're gonna play the Rams twice and they're gonna 856 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: know they're gonna play the forty nine. Some teams that 857 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: are gonna slog them up a little bit, and maybe 858 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: they don't have the big passing day and all of 859 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, Wilson throws for two and you 860 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: end up with sixty points. We always call that the 861 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: hook up. You know, if you've met Caffne and Wilson 862 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: in our league, and I wonder some smart fantasy analysts 863 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: that's very analytically driven should look back and think the 864 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: hook up teams have a better or worst chance of winning. 865 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the the handcuff argument. Like it 866 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: used to be handcuff your number one running back, but 867 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: those bench bots are valuable, right, Yeah, I mean he 868 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: needs your best guy to get hurt to have value, right, 869 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: so you're he's for It's not really good logic a 870 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: lot of the time. A lot of times, Yeah, unless 871 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: that bench, unless that the handcuff is that has some 872 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: single standalone value, right, that's the only way, you know. 873 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah so, I know we up against yeah so, but 874 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: that's that was an interesting little uh thing that we 875 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: did there. We'll be back on Saturday. The Steelers play 876 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: Thursday night in Philadelphia. But that's gonna do it for 877 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: today's show. For so, for Matt Williamson, for Brian len 878 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: Martina here on site keeping us on the air. I'm 879 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: Dale Lally. We thank you for listening to this edition 880 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.