1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to another. 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: Episode of Wide Open. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: I am your host, Ashlyn Harris, and our guest today 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite humans ever, Samantha Berry. 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to Wide Open. 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: Love this, love the setup. It's right. 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: I actually told the team I was like, wait till 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: you see. 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Her walk in. She's going to be dressed to the 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: nines head to toe. So put together your so chic. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with you. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 4: This is one of the days that I just wanted 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 4: to be like literally in a onesie guest me too. 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: I was so stressed picking out Listen, I do not 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: get stressed about wardrobe. 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: Today I was stressed. No stuff, I swear I was stressed. 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know Samantha, I 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: call her Sam is the global editorial I don't want 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: to get this wrong. 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: Director for Glamour, which is a new it's. 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: A new role because you've been you've been working for 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Glamor now since twenty eighteen. 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 4: Or twenty eighteen, and that was I came in as 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: editor in chief Glamor in the US, and this role, 25 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 4: which is really exciting, is all of Glamor's so we've 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: Glamor in Mexico, UK, Spain, Germany and you know, working 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 4: on Global glamor. 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Basically you know, I have to say what you've done 29 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: with Glamour and how you've merged this beautiful gap of 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: feminism and like politics, it's everything you're about, which I 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: love it. 32 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: It's a totally. 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: Different vibe and platform now which I want to dive 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: so deep into, But first I want to talk about, 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: like Sam and Ireland growing up as a kid, why journalism? 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: Why did you choose? 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Which we'll dive into because you're Your path to get 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: to this point has been quite incredible, but seems like 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: far out that you would go from working at the 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: BBC then to CNN. You were heavily in politics and 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: policy and you were covering the twenty sixteen election, and 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: then you were like, hey, fuck it, I'm gonna go 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: be the editor in chief of Glamour. 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: Like hello, that is. 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely insane and incredible all at the same time. 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: But like what got you there? Like what's the origin story? 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 4: It's so interesting because I think about this a lot, 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: like sitting here in New York and doing a job 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: that I absolutely love with the life that I definitely 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: couldn't have imagined. Like I grew up in Ireland in 51 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: the eighties, which is, you know, it's a little depressing. 52 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: I would say, if you had to describe it. 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: I you know, I grew up in a council house 54 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: like social housing in Ireland, with a family that was 55 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 4: extremely supportive. And I would say teachers in an education 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 4: system that really helped me. And I think about that 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: a lot. Even in the US. I think about the 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: people coming in and out of college like I went to. 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 4: There was something about Ireland in the eighties that was 60 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: a very equal opportunity place, especially no matter where you 61 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: are in the socioeconomic world, You've got a really good education. 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: And I still am really close with my teachers from 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 4: primary school and secondary school. And I think part of 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: the reason why I'm in the job that I am 65 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: now I loved to learn. Also, I love the news, 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: Like Ireland is such a place that over index like 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: we're storytellers. Like I love seeing all the Irish people 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: like you know, in Gladiator or Masters or like. But 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: just the reality is like if you grew up in Ireland, 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: like storytelling is the biggest currency that you can have, 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 4: whether that is like. 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: In the pub or at home. Oh the pub, Yeah, 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: Like it's so. 74 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: I think it's just like it's definitely in in who 75 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: we are and the world that we grew up in. 76 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 4: And for me, that storytelling was always around the world 77 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: of news and information, and I was so fascinated with 78 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: I would get up in the morning and listened to 79 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: radio news, and we always had newspapers in the house, 80 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: and everybody sat down and watched the six o'clock news, 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: and I. 82 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: Knew who the anchors were. I knew who the female 83 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: journalists were. 84 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: When I was growing up, we had an amazing journalist 85 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: called Veronica Gearin who did a lot of crime reporting. 86 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: There was a movie made about it. 87 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: Actually the anchor at six o'clock in the evening was 88 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: a woman, and so it was very progressive. And I 89 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: never thought there wasn't a journalism job I couldn't do, 90 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 4: I think, and I think that with a really supportive 91 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 4: family and a great education systemant meant that I just didn't. 92 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: I absolutely thought beyond the confines of like balanchotic this 93 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: time village that I grew up in. 94 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: Now, what age were you when you're like, oh, I 95 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: actually really enjoy this. I think this is what I 96 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: want to do. 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: Were you in primary school? Like, what was that aha. 98 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: Moment where you said, Okay, clearly representation matters. And I 99 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: say that all the time, and you were lucky enough 100 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: to be able to see women in very successful positions. 101 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Mary Robinson, who's like icon of queen. 102 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I because we don't you know, still, 103 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: we don't have that. So it's I find that in 104 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: the US so many times, especially, I sit down with 105 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: a lot of news journalists, anchors multimedia platforms, and they're 106 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: just so destroyed in the profession, and they're sexualized, and 107 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: there's so many injustices in it because of clearly how 108 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: we operate in the US and our culture. It's it's 109 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: great to hear that was never a problem for you, 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: that was never a challenge where you were told you 111 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: can't do this, like women like you don't get these 112 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: type of opportunities. 113 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 4: I mean, there was definitely moments I think when I 114 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: started in and again you kind of push up against it. 115 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: I remember starting I did. 116 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 4: I did a degree in English and a master's in journalism, 117 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: and I started working in ORTI, which is like the 118 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 4: national broadcaster, and I started in Overnights, which I will 119 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 4: highly recommend anybody starting a new job or trying to 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: do a new profession, like do those on godly hours, 121 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: because you can make all of the mistakes, Like I 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 4: was doing the news at like three o'clock in the 123 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 4: morning for like four truckers, and I was mis renouncing 124 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: everybody's name and I was doing it wrong. But you know, 125 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: I was doing those unsociable hours and learning the craft 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 4: a little bit. But then on the daytime, they did 127 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: put me on the like I say, fluffier stories, right 128 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: because I was the young, well like maybe one of 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 4: the younger women in the newsroom where it's like I 130 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 4: would get to do the science fair with the kids 131 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 4: or I get I knew that that was part of 132 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 4: the course, but I also knew when it was time 133 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: for me to move on because I didn't want to 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 4: do those stories anymore. So you definitely, yeah, there's definitely 135 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: moments that you come up against it. 136 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: I don't know. 137 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 4: Sometimes I will say this sometimes I think, and I 138 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: say this about taking on the jab of glamor. I 139 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: say this about taking on the job at CCENN, which 140 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: I really didn't know what I was taking on at 141 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: the time, and some of the like foreign assignments that 142 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: I took on. Often a little bit of delusion and 143 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: not thinking too much about it can go a long way. 144 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: Like just jumping into things. I don't overthink things. Then 145 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 4: when I'm in it, I'm like, oh God, can I 146 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: do this? But like I think that's got me a 147 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 4: long way where it's like, why couldn't I do it? 148 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: Let's try it, right? I think sometimes we can be 149 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: your worst enemy and like I'm not going to try 150 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 4: something or do something different. 151 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: I'm just like, let's give it a go. Yeah, why not? 152 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: And I find that I'm more complex as I get older. 153 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: I agree. 154 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: When I was young, I was so bullish and I 155 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: was just like, I can do anything. Yeah, I don't 156 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: listen to what anyone says. Yeah, I have an ego 157 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: the size of this room. 158 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's probably hold on to that. 159 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: It probably made me a really great soccer player. 160 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. And you just I think, you know, I'm 161 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: going to use an analogy. My sister's skiing with her 162 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: three kids now, and they're in Sweden, and she learned 163 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 4: how to ski as an adult, and her kids have 164 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: been on skis since. 165 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: They were eight years of age. They are fearless on 166 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: that ski slope. She is going. She learned in her 167 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: thirties and she's you know, on the money still. 168 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: I think holding on to some of that like childhood, 169 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 4: you know, attitude of why not? 170 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: Why not? 171 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 4: And why can't I be in this room and why 172 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: can't I do this job is a really good thing 173 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: to have and tell me about. 174 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: First Off, your sisters are amazing during the holidays. I 175 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: was seeing the videos with you and your nieces and nephews. 176 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: First off, so yummy. 177 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: Yes, thirsday you. 178 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Walking up in a for the viewers and listeners out there, 179 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: I'm just going to put it in context. You showed 180 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: up in Sweden in a Santa costume. 181 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't know I was coming. I've got like, 182 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 4: I got like, I've got Anti Sam surprises down and 183 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: I was like, how are we going? I've surprised them 184 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: a couple of times, and they were so sure I 185 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: wasn't coming this Christmas because my parents were in New 186 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 4: York with me. So on Christmas Day I was facetiming 187 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 4: my niece is my niece and nephews. 188 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: In Sweden, and they were so sure I wasn't coming. 189 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 4: I got on a plane on the twenty sixth and 190 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: I landed my sister put me in a Santa suit 191 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 4: and I came through the back garden and it was 192 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 4: my shoes that gave me away. 193 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, I love those kids. I love being an aunt. 194 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: I think it's like so. 195 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: I have another niece who was here as well over Christmas, 196 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 4: who lives in Ireland. Is such a gift to be 197 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: an ant like. 198 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: I also think you and your upbringing and being from 199 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: ire like you. And I say this all the time 200 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: to my friends. I say this all the time to 201 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: Sophia and we laugh about it because a lot of people, 202 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: people in the fashion world who have hold the jobs 203 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: you do at such a high level, are so stoic. 204 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: They like move like a robot and they don't really 205 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: show emotion. And what I love about you is you're 206 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: so real and you're so fun and everything. Like, of 207 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: course you're incredible at your job. I mean, you wouldn't 208 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: be in the position you're at now without being absolutely exceptional, 209 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: but like, you have a personality and it's fun and 210 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: it's infectious and it's I imagine through your work of storytelling, 211 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: it's probably so important to hold on to those roots 212 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: from Ireland how. 213 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: You were raised. Do you feel that. 214 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: Oh, as you continue this path of being incredible at 215 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: what you do and storytelling and writing people's very vulnerable 216 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: personal moments in their life. Like I imagine that part 217 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: of that is what makes you so wonderful. 218 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: I just I feel very lucky every day. Like I 219 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 4: you know, you talk about if somebody told me, you know, 220 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 4: eight year old, nine year old, ten year old me 221 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: that I'd be doing the shop, I would just like 222 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 4: I wouldn't believe it. So like I remember moving to 223 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: New York and I worked at CNN at the time, 224 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: and I had gone from being a producer of television 225 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: news at the BBC and came to CNN to take 226 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 4: on a role which was like running social media and 227 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: running a team and running a bigger team than I'd 228 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 4: ever imagined. And I met an Irish friend and this 229 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: was before I was at Clamor and I was getting 230 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 4: to do like really fun kind of like flight to 231 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: Vegas for debate or whatever. And they said it like, 232 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: never lose the joy and enthusiasm that you get from 233 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 4: doing these things that you couldn't imagine. And yeah, like listen, 234 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: there's sometimes there's the grind of the job where there 235 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: will be like fashion weeks and stuff where. 236 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 3: It just feels like never ending. 237 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: But I don't want to sit there and like eye 238 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 4: roll and be like I can't wait to get out 239 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 4: of here. I am so lucky to be there. I'm 240 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 4: so lucky to interview the people I interview. I'm so 241 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: lucky to be on like work on covers that I love, 242 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: or do women of the Year, that like, if I 243 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: ever get to the stage where I'm like. 244 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: I shouldn't be in the job, Like I shouldn't be 245 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: in the job. 246 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: And I think there's definitely an enthusiasm for life or 247 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 4: a joy that I don't think it's cool to be unbothered. 248 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: I love being bothered, like I just don't think it 249 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: like i'd like. 250 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: I also think, and I've talked about this previously a 251 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 4: little bit, like I think we live in a world 252 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 4: that sometimes women's joy is devalued or dampened or it 253 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 4: can be seen as like I hate this term of 254 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 4: like basic, like I why why is the joy that 255 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: I have in I don't know, doing a Tailors of 256 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 4: Soul cycle class on a Sunday, Like why is that 257 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 4: less valuable than you supporting Aston Villa or on a 258 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 4: Sunday I don't know, right, Like so, I think we 259 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 4: do live in a world where sometimes like women women's 260 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: joy which can be dampant, and I just don't ever 261 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 4: want to be that. 262 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: I will go the opposite of that. 263 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: And I know I'm so privileged to be in a 264 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 4: position where I get to do ridiculous things, like ulous 265 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: ridiculous things, and I get like dms from like Irish 266 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: girls that are in school now going oh my god, 267 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: can you send me this or I just want to 268 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: talk to you about this, and like, of course I'd 269 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 4: love to talk to you about whatever. And it's just 270 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: it's just such a joy to get to walk around 271 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 4: the world and do things that you love. 272 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: Well. Imagine, you know, being from a place like Ireland 273 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: and being able to look at a Samberry and say, 274 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: as a child, boy or girl or however you. 275 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: Identify, I can do that. Yeah, I can be her. 276 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: I can be that successful. 277 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: Like that is the whole point of why we do 278 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: what we do, is to show people the possibilities. Yeah, 279 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: it's so clear you attract beauty and I really think 280 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: what you put out in the world is what you receive. 281 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: And just like you said, I don't no one should 282 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: dim their light to make someone else feel better. And 283 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: I think as women, and I think you do this 284 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: a lot in your magazine, which you've done since you've 285 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: been there, is you've really adjusted what joy looks like 286 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: in fashion, what joy looks like for women, being progressive, 287 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: really telling important stories that matter, even if it could 288 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: be confrontational, and being vulnerable and making sure that you 289 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: do right by where you're from. 290 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: And it's a beautiful thing. 291 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: I agree. 292 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: I hope you never lose it. And with that, what's 293 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: really important. 294 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: About this podcast, which is called Wide. 295 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Open for a reason, and now that we are breaking 296 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: the ice, and it's really important because people, I think 297 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: it's people need to know this about stories because it's 298 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: not always it's perfect, it's not always joy. 299 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: It's hard to get where you are. 300 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: It's hard to be in a position of greatness and 301 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: stay there for as long as you have. So in sports, 302 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: wide open me and separating yourself from the pack, seizing 303 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: that moment to be open for an opportunity. Wide Open 304 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: in life is really being vulnerable and truthful with yourself 305 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: and really sharing your scars, which I think is an 306 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: important thing we all should do to help others. 307 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: Along the way. 308 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: What was the moment in your life that split you 309 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: wide open, that changed everything for you? 310 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 4: Oh wow, I think one that comes to mind just 311 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: because that is so. When I was in my late twenties, 312 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: I worked in Papua New Guinea and I loved it. 313 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: And I again one of those things where it was 314 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 4: like I had worked in radio and Ireland, which I loved, love, love, loved, 315 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 4: and it was and I love this resurgence of like 316 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 4: audio and podcasts. And I started in radio and I've 317 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: always had a big love for audio and radio in general. 318 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: And I took an opportunity to go to Papa New Guinea. 319 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: I think I must have been twenty six at the 320 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: time to work for the ABC, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. 321 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 4: And at the time pap New Guinea was it's a 322 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 4: very interesting place. At the time radio was king, right, 323 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 4: Literacy levels aren't the best in the country. There's eight 324 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: hundred different languages, and most people didn't have access at 325 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 4: the time to a. 326 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: To television. And I went and radio was king and I. 327 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: Was working with sixteen different radio stations and I was 328 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 4: like loving it and it was like a total adventure 329 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: and it was you know, it was. It was such 330 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: a formative, vulnerable time for me in two major ways. 331 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 4: It changed the trajectory of my career. And it was 332 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 4: also a place that I got like held at gunpoint 333 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: and got parajacked. 334 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: So these two things that was that was casual. 335 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: I watch, yeah, stay tuned, We'll be right back after this. 336 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 3: But okay. 337 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: So then the first thing it really did change the trajectory. 338 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: I had worked in radio on Ireland. I'd been very 339 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 4: excited about, like I'd done some reporting in South America, 340 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: and then I went to Papua New Guinea as a 341 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 4: radio journalist to work with radio stations and it was 342 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 4: what was it, I don't know what we're talking now, 343 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine or something. 344 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: And at the time I arrived, dumb phones arrived to 345 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 4: the country at the same time. So they went from 346 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 4: this country that was so dependent on radio, no really 347 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 4: other big massive ways of communicating with each other, no TVs, 348 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: no landlines, and they went from radio to phones. And 349 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 4: for me, in that two years that I was there, 350 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 4: I was like working with the stations and I was 351 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: like I was on faceboo book and I was like, 352 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: let's set up Facebook pages, for all of the radio 353 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: stations because once they got a phone, they wanted to 354 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: get on the internet right, And it was again the 355 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 4: era of like digit sell dumb bones, where it was 356 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 4: rudimentary but you were able to get online. And so 357 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 4: the shift of what these people in this country had 358 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 4: gone from like it just it had just jumped. So 359 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: I was young, eager, excited to work, and I was like, 360 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 4: what started as a radio job became a social media job, 361 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 4: and I started a text message system for the whole 362 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 4: country in radio, I started, I put everybody on a 363 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: Facebook page. It started, we started, you know, changing how 364 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: they talked to their audience. And I remember being high 365 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 4: up in the Islands and at one stage I was 366 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 4: watching these local people coming in like putting letters outside 367 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: the radio station, and I just went out and I 368 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 4: bought a SIM card that night and I put it 369 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: into the into the the host chair and I said, 370 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 4: just call out this number a couple of times. We 371 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 4: just thing I'd done in radio on Ireland. That first 372 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 4: night we had hundreds of like text messages from people 373 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: and the local people who would up until that time 374 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: would be writing their requests and dropping it off at 375 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: the station. So that was for me, and you know, 376 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 4: it led to my job after pap New Guinea, I 377 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: was in me and mar Burmat the same for a 378 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 4: couple of like six on off for six months with 379 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 4: the BBC again a country that was going through traumatic 380 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: changes in media and landscape, going from radio straight like 381 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: the internet right. 382 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 3: Nothing like not in between. 383 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 4: And what that meant it led to my job at 384 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: the CNN. Eventually I ran social media there and it 385 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: was because in those worlds in pap New Guinea and 386 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: me and Maher, I was like I saw firsthand the 387 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: impact that like social could have for journalisms, for newsrooms 388 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 4: in a way different scale to CNN. But that's ultimately 389 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 4: the reason why I came to CNN. It's because I 390 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 4: was early doctor, really interested in social media and Papua 391 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: New Guiney was a place that that had happened. Also 392 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 4: a place that I got carjacked and got malaria and 393 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 4: found myself in a bit like you know, vulnerable. 394 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 3: Did therapy for the first time after that, as. 395 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know that Freud always said 396 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: famous Freud's famously said that the Irish were im previous 397 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 4: to therapy or the one nation that wasn't. 398 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: But obviously when you go through something like that, that's 399 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: the first yus first step. 400 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 4: But yeah, I do think at that time and bing 401 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 4: G and I think about it now as well in 402 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: my forties, like I got on a plane to a 403 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: place I really didn't know for a job that I 404 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 4: had really not a lot of understanding of what it 405 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 4: would become. And it's what we talked about earlier, is 406 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 4: kind of holding on to that, like let's just try something. 407 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: It changed my life. 408 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 4: That that job changed my life, and it changed me 409 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 4: as a person. And if I hadn't gone to papn 410 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: Guini would to be working in. 411 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: Radio on Ireland. 412 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know, but it definitely changed 413 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 4: the trajectory of my career and there was something extremely vulnerable, 414 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 4: Like I remember my sister was in Sydney at the 415 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 4: time with her boyfriend who is now the mother or 416 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 4: the father for three kids. 417 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 3: So I stopped off at Sydney before. 418 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 4: I flew to Papa Guinea and I remember being physically 419 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: ill the morning that I was getting on the plane 420 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 4: because I didn't know what I was letting myself in for. 421 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 4: I'm really glad I did it, and it really was 422 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: really vulnerable. But and I wonder, now if I was 423 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 4: given that opportunity, now would I take I don't know. 424 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that. As like we 425 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 4: talked about, you get a little bit more cautious or 426 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 4: a little scared. 427 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the whole point of it. 428 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: You know. The importance here is I think greatness stems 429 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: from challenging environments. I say this as an athlete all 430 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: the time, Like I don't ever lose the title athlete 431 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: like when people were I say that often because people 432 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: are like, oh, retired athlete. That shit doesn't go away, 433 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: Like my mentality never goes away. 434 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: And what I have found, uh. 435 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: That seems to be what I call like the secret 436 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: sauce of people who are exceptional at their craft is 437 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: they're willing to be in uncomfortable situations. I think that's 438 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: the key, because if I'm comfortable, that's like death for me. 439 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing like when I get comfortable, I'm like, oh fuck, 440 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: something something's off. Like I need to feel that uncomfortable. 441 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: Environment to learn to thrive, to. 442 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: Find new ways of belonging, acceptance, like all of these 443 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: things that life gives us. I just I like to 444 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: be challenged and I really feel that about you too, 445 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: And I mean you go from this is the craziest part, 446 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about this because you're right. 447 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: You've been in radio, you've been in journalism, you're very smart. 448 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: You come in, you're working in New York CNN during 449 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: the two you know what is it twenty sixteen election 450 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: with which is fucking bonkers. 451 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: Bless you for doing that, and then. 452 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I'm just going to try to be 453 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: like the editor in chief of Glamour. 454 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: What Yeah, it was a little bit you know what 455 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: tell me? 456 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 4: What do you mean? 457 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: Like? 458 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: It was how what? 459 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: Tell me? How did that. 460 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: Even it would become a possibility? 461 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: You know what was interesting I when I moved I'd 462 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: always been in newsrooms, right like come up until Glamor, 463 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: And it's a different type of newsroom. It's a publisher. 464 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: And I really thrived in like minute of Dale. I'd 465 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 4: gone from producing television for BBC World News, which was 466 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 4: like our like you do an hour, you do the 467 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 4: lunchtime show. 468 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: You used to produce John. 469 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: Sopel Show, who I'm still such a big fan of, 470 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 4: And but that's that's a day job, right, Like it's 471 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 4: like you work on a story of the day or 472 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 4: stories of the day, and you turn around and you've 473 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 4: left and you close the door. Then when I was 474 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: at CNN, it wasn't by the day, it was by 475 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: the minute, it was by the minisecond. We built these 476 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: teams that were reacting in real time to not only 477 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: what we were pushing out to the world, but what 478 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 4: we were taking in. Because I think one of the 479 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 4: things I'd learned in pub New Guinea and in Meanwhire 480 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: is that social had become such a place for us 481 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: to get news and get information. And what we found, 482 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: even as big of an operation as CNN was we had, 483 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 4: we ended up building an amazing social news gathering team 484 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 4: that could verify what was happening in places that we 485 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: couldn't get a crew too straight away that we had 486 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 4: content coming in. 487 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: And so I went in in that world. 488 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 4: My metabolism became like every second every I did not sleep. 489 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: Now for a lot of CNN. I'm not gonna lie. 490 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 3: I got shingles up this year. I like it was 491 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: I didn't know, it was like it was a lot. 492 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: And so I ran social media for four years there, 493 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 4: just over four and a half years. And it was 494 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 4: during the twenty sixteen election, which I could not have 495 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 4: asked for a better introduction to the world of America 496 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 4: because I got to see everywhere. We went every We 497 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: went to Flint in Michigan, we went to that, like 498 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 4: we went everywhere, and I met every candidate. I interviewed 499 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 4: every single one of them, and we did things that 500 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: I will forever be proud of. And then I went 501 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 4: to then go to Glamor, and I remember my first 502 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 4: couple of days in and weeks honestly in Glamour and 503 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 4: being uncomfortable in a different way because people were coming 504 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 4: into my office and asking me who I should have 505 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 4: on the cover in eight months time, and I was like, 506 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 4: I couldn't even tell you what I want. 507 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: For dinner, like I was so used to being, you know. 508 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 4: And the last year I was at CNN, I ran 509 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 4: social media. In the first year of Trump's presidency, I 510 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 4: did not sleep like we did not like that was 511 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 4: just the reality of it. And then to go in 512 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: to Glamor in this different role in a world I'd 513 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 4: never worked in before publishing, and then I was very 514 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 4: lucky that I had, you know, some people with great 515 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: institution knowledge there, but they were coming into my office 516 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: and they were like, who do you want in the 517 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 4: cover in October? And I couldn't even think about using 518 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 4: that muscle. And it took me a long time to 519 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: get there because I was so used to using the 520 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 4: muscle that I had honed over years, which was. 521 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: Like of the hour of the minute. 522 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 4: Yes, that was one of the biggest kind of I 523 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 4: think challenges for me at Glamour was to stop thinking 524 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: with my you know, my news metabolism and start thinking 525 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 4: like long term strategy and what does the next year 526 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: look like? That was I would say the biggest shift. 527 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 4: And also it was kind of quite fun in the process. 528 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 4: Like I I had started talking to Anna Winter about 529 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: the job, and there was loads of speculation in the 530 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 4: New York media about who was going to get My 531 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 4: name was never mentioned. Nobody had the clue who I was, 532 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: and so there was so I think when the announcement 533 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 4: went out, and I remember that day so vividly because 534 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 4: it was a coordinated you know, Candy In asked, we're 535 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 4: going to announce it at the same time that CNN 536 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: were going to announce that I was leaving, and I 537 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 4: was always in a nine am meeting with Jeff Soccer, 538 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 4: who I'm a huge fan of and I learned so 539 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: much from And then Anna was in World Trade Center 540 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 4: and there was just this cool I'll never forget this 541 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 4: coordinated day where I was sitting next to Jeff in 542 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 4: the nine am and he was telling the CNN team 543 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 4: and Anna was down telling the Candy team who I'm 544 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 4: sure we're doing frantic googles of, like who is this 545 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 4: Irish person that's coming and going in a car going 546 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: down the West Side Highway from Clubs Circle. I remember 547 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 4: that felt very I don't know, it's a it's a 548 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: short care journey that I'll never forget, like leaving that 549 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 4: like Columbus Circle Building and a team that I loved, 550 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 4: and to come down into this unknown world of CONDI 551 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: and a team that did first of all, didn't have 552 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: clue who I was or what I was going to 553 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 4: bring to the table. I was really confident that I 554 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 4: was the right person for the role. I wouldn't have 555 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 4: gone for it otherwise. But I think I think it 556 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 4: took a little convincing of other people, both internally and eternally. 557 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: I can imagine what that first few days months. 558 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think it was probably like at 559 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: least eighteen months before I got anywhere near comfortable. 560 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: Like, it's not it's not like I. 561 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 4: Think, you know, I was confident in what I wanted 562 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 4: to do, But you know, no, I think it takes 563 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 4: a while, especially if you make that big of a change. 564 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: If I'd gone into another newsroom job, I think I 565 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: would have been like, Okay. 566 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 3: I can do this. 567 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, or I'd gone somewhere. But like that change the 568 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 4: glamour was uncomfortable. 569 00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: But was were It's such a like whiplash because that 570 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: it is so different. Yes, did you always love fashion? 571 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: Was it always a part of your journey your identity? 572 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: Did you as a young kid? 573 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: Like, how do you always those magazines? 574 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 4: I say, I would say, and look, if you work 575 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: at the BBC and you wear anything besides the sweater vest, 576 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 4: you're probably the most stylish person in there. No, Like, 577 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 4: it's not like you can walk around like I always 578 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 4: love like fashion and style and beauty in the way 579 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 4: that it is part of who I am, But it's 580 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 4: not my driving identity, right, Like it's not like I 581 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 4: love it, but it's not like I never saw myself 582 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: as like the most fashionable person. I never saw myself 583 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 4: as the most like beauty obsessed person or whatever. What 584 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 4: I loved about Glamour and even in the conversation, is 585 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: that it kind of encompasses a lot of just what 586 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: being a woman, yes, right, which is you can enjoy 587 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 4: these things and it doesn't need to be your main identifier. 588 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: But look, I remember, like, and it's so funny, Like 589 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: I remember one of the first days I. 590 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: Was in Glamor and I was doing a run through. 591 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: And everybody will know a run through from like if 592 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 4: you've watched Evawere's Prada run through is like when they 593 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: bring in the racks of clothes and it's picking what's 594 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 4: going to be on the cover. Again, such a different 595 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 4: thing for me to do. I was like, give me 596 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: a news bulletin, I can do it. Is that, Like 597 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: I I was called up to the whatever floor it was, 598 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 4: and it was a run through for the first cover 599 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: where I would get to pick what was being sent 600 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 4: in the trunks to the shoot. I didn't have a 601 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 4: clue what I was doing, and I'll tell you what happened, 602 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 4: because like, I really. 603 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: Didn't have a clue. I remember just being like, oh 604 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: my god, what happens here? And listen. 605 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 4: I had a great fashion team and great. The stylist 606 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 4: was in there, the photographer, the creative team. These people 607 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 4: knew what they were doing. And I was like, Okay, 608 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 4: don't let on that. You really again, the only reference 609 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 4: you have for a run through is Devia Ware's pradat, Like, 610 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: So what happened was this is. 611 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: Literally I'm living in the movie as I'm like, this 612 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: is fucking brilliant in. 613 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: The racks of clothes and who are we shooting? 614 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 4: It wasn't even the cover. It was like an inside 615 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 4: shoot for the magazine. And they were like, and it 616 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 4: was the story and it's already been like pre pep 617 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 4: before I ever walked in the thing. And I started 618 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 4: going through the clothes and I did the only thing 619 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 4: I knew that I would have done anywhere else in 620 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 4: the world and any other thing. And I was like, 621 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 4: picked something up and I said how much is this? 622 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 4: And their faces just went what. I was like, how 623 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 4: much does this cost? And they were like, I don't know, 624 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: because I knew how much glamour women spent out. I'd 625 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 4: done my research. I knew how much she spent on clothes. 626 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 4: I knew what her like price point was. All of 627 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 4: the stuff I'd done in researching for the job is 628 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 4: like I kind of knew who the audience were or whatever, 629 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 4: and I did what I would have asked in a store, 630 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: like how much is this exactly? And it became this fun, 631 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 4: almost running joke, where then for the next couple of rows, Truth, 632 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 4: the Glamour team was the only team that came in 633 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 4: with a sticky note with the price of everything on it, 634 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 4: and so I knew, it's like, okay, let's do a 635 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 4: mix of high and low and we're gonna put ten 636 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 4: thousand dollars dress and let's put something that like they 637 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 4: can also buy the Glamor and pick up yet so 638 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 4: it and it became something that was it was obviously 639 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 4: talked about because it's it's not necessarily what people do 640 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 4: in a run. 641 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: Truth put the prices on them. 642 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 4: That one of the guys who runs Frame, Eric heard 643 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 4: about it and he sent me presents that Christmas and 644 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 4: there was post it notes with the price on it, 645 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: and that made me laugh so much that I was like, Okay, 646 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 4: I get But honestly, it was a real authentic, honest 647 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 4: moment because I could have you know, I didn't know 648 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 4: what I was doing, So I asked the only question 649 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 4: I knew what to ask, which was how much is it? 650 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a valid question. Yeah, I mean ken, Yeah, 651 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: when you know when a person like myself, who came 652 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: from absolutely nothing, I couldn't even afford the magazine. So 653 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: I would go into the local stands and flip through 654 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: them because I loved fashion as a kid, and I 655 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: would look at all of the magazines and see what 656 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: people were wearing and how I could make it at home, 657 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: so it I love. 658 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 4: I used to do the thing where we used to 659 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 4: go to the local store and at the end of 660 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 4: the month, the magazines they hadn't sold, they cut the 661 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 4: cover off and throw them out, but instead of throwing 662 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 4: them out, they'd give them to us. Amazing, So that 663 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 4: was like it was I get to the end of 664 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: the month, and this was like again in Melancholic. We'd 665 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 4: go down, we'd know the time at the end of 666 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 4: the month, and they if they've cut the cover off, 667 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 4: it was it was already infantry that was gone. But 668 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 4: we would take the magazines without the covers up. 669 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: So good and I it's and I love that part 670 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: of you because you get it, and I think you've 671 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: brought such a humble, valuable characteristic to the magazine because 672 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: of who you are and where you come from, and 673 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: I think it's you were the first to actually was 674 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: it keep everything under like five hundred dollars or yeah? 675 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 676 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 4: My first issue was the Money Issue, and again something 677 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 4: I'm you know, I think women don't talk about enough, 678 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 4: and it was I was really proud of the Money 679 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 4: Issue being the first print issue, and in that we've 680 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 4: done these run through except for and so it became 681 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 4: this thing with the fashion team. I was like, nothing 682 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 4: in the magazine has to be more than five hundred dollars, 683 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 4: and we did a lot on like we started a 684 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 4: big conversation on that first issue that we continue today, 685 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 4: which is talking to women about money and having open 686 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 4: conversations about money. 687 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 3: And we had a it was called can I Swear Hell? 688 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 4: We really were like, well, well this is interesting because 689 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 4: we had this whole thing called the fuck Off Fund 690 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 4: and it was a call to action to women that 691 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 4: was really important to me, where like the first thing 692 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 4: you should always have as as any person, but like 693 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 4: it's your foot off fund. It's like three to six 694 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 4: months of living, so you can leave a bad job, 695 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 4: a bad lead, a bad relationship, and that's your that's 696 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 4: your table stakes, but I couldn't put fuck on the 697 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 4: cover and I got to I remember getting told so 698 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 4: we called it the fallback funder, the fall off. 699 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 3: Or the f off fund. 700 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 4: But I remember having that conversation and again going oh, 701 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 4: because you can't put it on the cover to put 702 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 4: on a newsstand. But I was really proud of that 703 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 4: because again, it was like it felt like something And 704 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 4: I had people in my life that I have grown 705 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 4: up with that I'm very close with, and that after 706 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 4: we did that issue, we're like, I've started talking about 707 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 4: money in a different way. I've started having a conversation 708 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,959 Speaker 4: about money in a different way, like how and even 709 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 4: with my girlfriends, like when we negotiate or if people 710 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 4: are new relationships, how did they talk about money and 711 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: values and all. 712 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 3: Of that stuff. 713 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 4: I was really proud of that issue, and that was 714 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 4: again something that for me didn't like, you know, it 715 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 4: didn't wasn't something I was thinking about until I was 716 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 4: into my thirties. 717 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really impactful, and I think not only 718 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: have you impacted it on so many layers, because I mean, 719 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: Prent was dying when you came into the pitcher. Literally, 720 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: like social media became the outlet of consuming what you 721 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: and I grew up with. We would go, I wanted magazines. 722 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't every time, I couldn't wait for a new 723 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: magazine to come out, and I will never forget at 724 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: the end of my street it was called Cumberland Farms, 725 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: and I would go and I would. 726 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 3: Look at it. 727 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: I just wanted to touch it. 728 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't touch the clothing because I couldn't 729 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: afford it, but like to touch the magazine and see 730 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: the beauty. 731 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 3: What were the magazines that you Oh. 732 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: My gosh. 733 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: I clearly loved Vogue. Vogue was always my and then 734 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: I also really really loved National Geographic. It was one 735 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: of my you know, I wanted to be a marine 736 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: biologist as a kid, so National Geographic was always so lovely. 737 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: And then anytime a new cover came out for Time, 738 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: like all of these things, I just I love the visual. 739 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: I was a creative. 740 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: From a very Everything I did, how I moved mattered 741 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: in the creative world. But not only was you know, 742 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: print dying, and now we're in this new digital world 743 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: that you've really I mean, that's been. 744 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: A big part of your legacy, is you've. 745 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a stressful position to be in. Like, 746 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: we could be here all day about that, because I 747 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: can't imagine how hard that must have been, because I'm 748 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: sure everyone was panicking because of social media and how 749 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: we consume social media and how quickly now people were 750 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: just moving through a click of a button and scrolling. 751 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: But what I love so much is how you really 752 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: diversified the people who you chose to put on covers 753 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: and what they look like, because it typically back in 754 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: the day was very very skinny, beautiful, blonde, tall models 755 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: that no one really saw themselves when you would look 756 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: at that. And I think what is so incredible about 757 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: the legacy you continue to leave behind is beauty comes 758 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: in all sizes. There's not what one size fits all, 759 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: and you've done such a beautiful job of that. This 760 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: is wide open and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris. 761 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. 762 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: Before our time is up, because this is a really 763 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: important thing I want to talk about, is the weight 764 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: in which being you know, the editor of Glamour and 765 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: being able to tell the stories of people with them 766 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: trusting you with very vulnerable, intimate thing, Like what is 767 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: that like for you? Do you take that like I 768 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't sleep like that is the stress I would put 769 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: on myself because I know and I'll talk openly about this. 770 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: When Sophia did the cover of Glamour, it was so 771 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: raw and it was so personal and it was so 772 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: real and she was so scared and. 773 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: She trusted you. 774 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: What does that feel like moving through life telling the 775 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: stories of these people and some are really hard and 776 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: some are really beautiful and everything in between. How do 777 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: you move through the world having that weight on your shoulders, 778 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: knowing you're telling these stories and they trust you enough 779 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: because you get one shot to do it. 780 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting and you say the word trust because 781 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 4: that's really what it is. 782 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 3: And for me, it's that I loved that. 783 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 4: Cover, by the way, and it was a lot of 784 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 4: conversations and it's a really example. That's Sofia cover was 785 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 4: really vulnerable and open, but it was a safe place. 786 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 4: And I think we live in a world where people 787 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 4: can tell their stories anywhere. 788 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 3: They can tell them on their own. 789 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 4: Platform, they can do a substack, they can go on 790 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 4: like coming to glamor to a place where your story 791 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 4: you're telling your story with us, is you are. 792 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 3: Putting yourself in a vulnerable situation. 793 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 4: We're also a publication and news outlet, like we have 794 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 4: a story to tell, and I know in that trust, 795 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 4: like it's also important to me that we tell the 796 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 4: whole story, even the parts that are hard. So I 797 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 4: think I'm very conscious that, and I think the whole 798 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 4: team at Glamor is that people feel safe when they 799 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 4: come to Glamor. But it's also not like we're not 800 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 4: there to tell people's. 801 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 3: Fluff piece stories. 802 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 4: It's really about those open, vulnerable stories and goes back 803 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 4: to actually when we started talking about money. I remember 804 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 4: asking my team to start asking women on interviews on 805 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 4: junkets about money in general, and we had a bachelorette 806 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 4: contestants say, like just really openly being like, oh, I 807 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 4: was broke after going on that, and let me tell 808 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 4: you what money I spent, And it opened up this 809 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 4: whole conversation that she had with Glamour. But to your question, 810 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 4: I feel extreme responsibility on it, and I think people 811 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 4: are at their most vulnerable when they're really telling their story, 812 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 4: right when you're shooting somebody for a cover, when. 813 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 3: They're telling it in their own words, are in an. 814 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 4: Interview, like that's a lot to give out to the world. 815 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 4: And I think we all feel the responsibility of it 816 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 4: and doing it justice. And we have a Glamour whether 817 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 4: it's Sophia's cover, which was like definitely her biggest cover 818 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 4: last year, or somebody coming and telling us their abortion 819 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 4: story or telling us their story of failure or loss 820 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 4: or joy, whatever it is, there is such I think 821 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 4: about that a lot, and I think about I. 822 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 3: Think our whole team. 823 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 4: Does you know when we had a meeting after the 824 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 4: most recent election the day after, I just said to 825 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 4: the team we're in. 826 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 3: We are privileged. We are more privileged than a lot 827 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 3: of people in the world. 828 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 4: We have a platform and we can use it in 829 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 4: a way that works for our audience and tell stories 830 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 4: for women. So I'm thinking about this next. I watched 831 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 4: so much Spider Man with my with my nephews over Christmas. 832 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 3: But like the thing like you with great power. 833 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 4: Great responsibility, I do feel that about this glamour job. 834 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 4: I feel that when it is when I'm talking about 835 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 4: something so personal and sensitive, about somebody coming and really 836 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 4: telling their story to us. So yeah, I got I've 837 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 4: got Spider Man in my head now with yeah. But 838 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,479 Speaker 4: we're great power comes great responsibilities, and it's the truth. 839 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like I. 840 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: I went to the Glamour of the Year this year 841 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: and it was so magical and it was so powerful 842 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: and highlighting the mothers who have really paved the way 843 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: for a lot of these young women to be groundbreaking musicians, actors, activists, 844 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: feminists all like I. This year, I sab Will, I 845 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: was twenty twenty four. I fucking sopped the whole time 846 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: I did. 847 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 4: And I was trying to make people laugh this year, though, 848 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,439 Speaker 4: did you there was supposed to be joy? 849 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 2: I mean there was. 850 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: I laughed my ass off on a few parts, like 851 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: especially the singing comedy that it was so good. But 852 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: with that, I looked over and I saw you sitting 853 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: at the table with Beyonce, my. 854 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 3: Best friend Beyonce. Yeah, yeah, but properly yeah. 855 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck, Sam, Like this is your life? 856 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 4: I was like, that is yeah, there was Like I 857 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 4: had this one because we weren't. We didn't know until 858 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 4: she sat down that she was sitting down. Like we 859 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 4: had done that. 860 00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 3: I had done the cover of the Moms, and I 861 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 3: was so excited to talk to these mothers and we 862 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 3: obviously invited them and all their families, but like we 863 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 3: had no idea. Honestly, I got off the stage. 864 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 4: At the start, sat down and there was an empty 865 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 4: seat next to me, and I was texting Monique, who 866 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 4: works on my team, and I was like, why are 867 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 4: there's empty seats next to me? And then trying to 868 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 4: be all calm and just like keep it together, and 869 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 4: then this just vision of Beyonce comes in the back 870 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 4: sits down next to me, and all I'm thinking is like, 871 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 4: oh my god, I got to be cool, but like 872 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 4: somebody's got to be taking. 873 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 3: A photo of this. 874 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 4: I need of this. And at one stage she like 875 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 4: grabbed my hand while her mom was on stage and 876 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 4: we did a little pop and I was like, this 877 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 4: is just a bit. 878 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: Like that's how do you? 879 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 4: That is the like when we talk about like these 880 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 4: moments of like just sheer like, how is this my life? 881 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: Like? 882 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 3: It was so lovely and so joyful. 883 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 4: And I'm bopping with Beyonce at a thing that I'm 884 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 4: hosting that is having people sab and like laughter and 885 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 4: but really it's all about celebrating women. I'm like, why 886 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 4: is this life? 887 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: Like? 888 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 3: It's just amazing. 889 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: It was really beautiful to see as a person who 890 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: has a very small piece of witnessing your excellence and 891 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: what you've done over your career. And I consider you 892 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: such a dear friend. You're so kind and genuine. But 893 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: when I I looked at Sofa and I was like, 894 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,280 Speaker 1: look at her, like because I'm proud too, like you, 895 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: you still are this like humble, fucking goofy showing up 896 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: in Santa Claus outfits with your nieces and nephews. You 897 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: told me you have a heart out because you have 898 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: to go meet with Anna Wintour. 899 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 2: But you're still this like. 900 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: Fucking fun goofy chick who sits next to Beyonce, And 901 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: God knows, you're still the same you, Sam, And I 902 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: think that's a beautiful thing. And I think what the 903 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: stories you tell and how impactful this journey has been. 904 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm just lucky to be of like I get to 905 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: witness it, and I make. 906 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 3: Me Diane's mery this interview. 907 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: It is really special and it's so beautiful to see 908 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: because so many people in your position, they change. 909 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,439 Speaker 2: With the job they do. 910 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: They they have to create this image of you know, 911 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: beauty and grace and chic and stoic, and it's just 912 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: fucking not you, but you do it all. It's like 913 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,959 Speaker 1: so weird and it's so cool and we still laugh 914 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: about stupid shit even though you're sitting next to Beyonce 915 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: and doing stuff with Michelle Obama and like writing these 916 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: beautiful pieces that are really changing the landscape of our culture. 917 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: And I'm just lucky to call you a friend. 918 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 3: Me too. 919 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 4: And also I love at the end of the night 920 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 4: all we were at the end of that night. My 921 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 4: favorite thing was we were in the elevator in the 922 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 4: lift and we were like, where's the food. We got 923 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 4: to find the food, like we'd had the best night. 924 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 4: And then you and me we found ourselves and my 925 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 4: best friend was there in the lift, just like going 926 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,280 Speaker 4: we need girls, we need some burgers. 927 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 928 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 2: I love it. 929 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful that you even take the time 930 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: to and sit here and talk about yourself because you 931 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 1: have an incredible story and I think people only see 932 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: a certain side of you, and I appreciate you being 933 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: so vulnerable and wide open and thank you for being 934 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: here today, Joy, And I can't wait to continue to 935 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 1: follow your journey. I can't wait for more date nights 936 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: out in the city. 937 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 3: And gets a bit warmer. 938 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 1: Oh, I know it's brutal here, right now thanks for coming. 939 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 3: You so much. I really appreciate I could talk to 940 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 3: you bris. 941 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, too bad you have a meeting 942 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: with Anna. Sorry sorry if I'm you know, small on 943 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: that scale, but I appreciate it. And good luck in 944 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: this this new role. I know you're going to do 945 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: incredible things. Everyone you know follow her on Instagram. 946 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 3: She is great. Yeah, Santa suits it is actually. 947 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 2: Lol and funny. I'm watching all the time. 948 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: But do you have anything to share with everyone that's 949 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: up and coming? Do you are you working on any 950 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: fun projects you want to talk about? 951 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 4: I would say the well, there's one thing that in 952 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 4: my new global role, UK Glamour is a big part 953 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 4: of it, and we just had an amazing win yesterday. 954 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:13,240 Speaker 4: And so basically they've been campaigning for to criminalize deep fix, 955 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 4: which has been a really important thing. They've gone to 956 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 4: number ten, they've held round tables of Parliament and the 957 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 4: UK government have just announced that they will be criminalizing 958 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 4: the use of deep fakes, which we know are used 959 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 4: predominantly against women. So that's when in the campaign, I 960 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 4: think my kind of slogan for Glamour this year is 961 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 4: ready to fight, but powered by joy. So you're going 962 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 4: to see a lot of like fun content. I think 963 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 4: we're in a place this year people want fun content. 964 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 4: And again, Glamour's's got both right. We're ready to fight 965 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,399 Speaker 4: for the criminalization of deep bakes in the UK or 966 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 4: paid leave and abortion in America, but we're also going 967 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 4: to serve up some fun wag content. 968 00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 3: Wag week. 969 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: Oh we got the wag I mean we got so 970 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: much like our friends were dying from the I love 971 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 1: because I'm always like, oh, Sophiea's girlfriend, and then she 972 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: got thrown as a wag and I was like a 973 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: feld girl. 974 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 3: So it was good. Lots of joy, lots of joy. 975 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five. 976 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: We have a lot to celebrate, and as hard as 977 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: it might feel with the political climate for a lot 978 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: of women, we have to be in the moment and 979 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,919 Speaker 1: present and grateful for the. 980 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 2: Things that we have, and we have all we stick together. 981 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: We're used to rolling our sleeves up. 982 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 3: Honey, this is all we know exactly. 983 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 2: Thanks so much having me, Thank you. 984 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: I love you. Ben Wide Open with Ashland Harris is 985 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,319 Speaker 1: an iHeart women's sports production. You can find us on 986 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get Your Podcasts. 987 00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:02,280 Speaker 1: Our producers are Carmen Borca, Coreo Meronov, and Lucy Jones. 988 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: Production assistants from Malia Aguidello. Our executive producers are Jesse Katz, 989 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Jenny Kaplan 990 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 1: and Emily Rudder and I'm Your Host Ashlyn Harris