Speaker 1: You like to just baseball show and want to make
Speaker 1: your own, let me tell you about Anchor.
Speaker 2: It's free.
Speaker 1: There's a creation tool that allows you to record and
Speaker 1: edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Now
Speaker 1: you can even add any song from Spotify directly to
Speaker 1: your episodes. The possibilities are endless for what you can create,
Speaker 1: whether it's music analysis, your own radio show, or something
Speaker 1: the world's never seen before. Anchor will distribute your podcast
Speaker 1: for you so it can be heard on Spotify, Apple Podcasts,
Speaker 1: and much more. You can make money from your podcast
Speaker 1: with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make
Speaker 1: a podcast in one place. So download the free Anchor
Speaker 1: app or go to anchor dot fm to get started.
Speaker 2: We will see you to welcome out Big Tuesday, Big Tuesday,
Speaker 2: twentieth Massive Tuesday. We're in the midst of an oat
Speaker 2: milk versus almond milk debate, and I I'm team almond man.
Speaker 1: So riddle me this. Actually it's not a riddle. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I start with. Riddle me this almond
Speaker 1: milk tastes a little bit worse, but oat milk I
Speaker 1: don't trust.
Speaker 2: Why do I trust?
Speaker 1: Because well, for I don't really like, I don't trust
Speaker 1: any of the milks they're made out of nuts or oats,
Speaker 1: so it's just water and then the nuts and then what.
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, hold on, let me intro the pod.
Speaker 2: This is the Just Baseball Show. I'm Jack mcnill and
Speaker 2: he's Peter Ave. There. The intro of the pod is done.
Speaker 2: Now can we keep talking about nuts? Yeah? Yeah, and oats,
Speaker 2: nuts and oats, nuts, oats, and I'm the nut guy,
Speaker 2: not the oats.
Speaker 1: Make I feel like I'm I'm I'm thinking about it
Speaker 1: all in one swoop because I've never really given it
Speaker 1: a lot of salt. But I put oat milk or
Speaker 1: almond milk whatever I got. But I've never actually drank
Speaker 1: them by themselves.
Speaker 2: Have you ever? I have drank? No way you will
Speaker 2: buy itself?
Speaker 1: What just in a glass of almond Like just a
Speaker 1: glass of almond milk you're drinking and sip out.
Speaker 2: Of the cart And because I was curious, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm making true.
Speaker 1: That's probably the only because like, when's the last time
Speaker 1: I had a cup of almond milk or oat milk?
Speaker 2: Never? Never? Never?
Speaker 1: Also, can we tell everyone listening, like stop drinking regular milk?
Speaker 1: Who invented cows giving us milk? Why are we drinking
Speaker 1: it from calves?
Speaker 2: God? I guess was it a religious thing? The first farmer?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know what I'm drinking right now?
Speaker 1: What cucumber, celery, spinach, lemon kale, parsley juice tastes like
Speaker 1: compost delicious.
Speaker 2: That sounds actually phenomenal. I mean, I'm not a fan,
Speaker 2: it's not bad. I'm not a fan of some of
Speaker 2: those veggie concoctions, but like that actually sounds like a
Speaker 2: nice medley.
Speaker 1: And we talk about vitamins all the time, like sea moss,
Speaker 1: corephill tablets, all these things, Like it makes your body
Speaker 1: feel better. Vegetables, people take your vitamins. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: it makes your brain. And I'm not joking around, like
Speaker 1: we're joking around about nuts and almonds and whatever. But
Speaker 1: like it, the vegetables genuinely work. And I know everyone
Speaker 1: knows that, but try it out, Like, put a juice
Speaker 1: in your body. Put some of these vitamins in your body.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel better.
Speaker 2: Give it a whirl. I do want to pitch a
Speaker 2: certain almond milk to you. It's Trade Joe's Vanilla Almond
Speaker 2: milk and it's conduced fat. Yea, If Trader Joe's is
Speaker 2: looking to sponsor a pod, this is the pod, isn't
Speaker 2: it traded?
Speaker 1: And the thing is there's a Trailer Joe's on the
Speaker 1: Lower east Side that we go to all the time,
Speaker 1: Low east side of Manhattan. Yeah, and Trailer Joe's. I mean,
Speaker 1: first of all, most underrated thing from Trailer Joe's the
Speaker 1: bagged frozen passas.
Speaker 2: Oh, really good.
Speaker 1: Tell me you don't the yulki yunkcci.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I studied abroad in Italy, so I'm basically fluent in
Speaker 1: Italian and it's nyulki.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I agree. That's how I've said it my
Speaker 2: entire life. And I agree that it's really good, the
Speaker 2: cauliflower and yucky, really good, really really good. Throw that
Speaker 2: puppy in an air fryer and that's that really right.
Speaker 2: Well we talk about a yeah, airfrer, never done califier
Speaker 2: and yolk and air fire and all right, let's get
Speaker 2: let's talk baseball now, Okay, you want to talk baseball?
Speaker 2: Lance Lynn extended, how about that deal for the White Sox.
Speaker 1: That was great, fantastic, good deal. Glad that he's extended.
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna ear a blow two. And it's
Speaker 1: good that he's got some money. Oh, I mean he
Speaker 1: had money, but like good that he's got some more
Speaker 1: money now too, not enough money. Now he's got more money, right,
Speaker 1: He's got a lot more money.
Speaker 2: I do want to shout out this quote before we
Speaker 2: move on, lance Lynn. I'm paraphrasing here, but he pretty
Speaker 2: much said after he signed his extension, why go into
Speaker 2: free agency when you know where you want to be?
Speaker 2: And he is now people's favorite White Sox. I think
Speaker 2: the White Sox guys like playing for the White Sox.
Speaker 1: I mean, you see Carlos Rodawn when they were talking
Speaker 1: to him earlier in the season, that great interview.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to leave either. None of these guys
Speaker 2: want to leave Chicago. Isn't it awesome? There's an identity
Speaker 2: and then Carlin's I mean, they can't hold a candle
Speaker 2: to Starling Martze and his agent for for anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're low balling him. The average Anneal value
Speaker 1: would be less than he's making right now. And I
Speaker 1: get that you're extending him and maybe as he gets
Speaker 1: older it makes sense for I think he's what thirty
Speaker 1: three old. It's understandable, but you're you're short selling him.
Speaker 1: And especially when the Marlins came out and said that
Speaker 1: they were going to buy all these different pieces, said
Speaker 1: they were going to spend the money, and then they
Speaker 1: go out and low ball probably their best hitter in
Speaker 1: the lineup right now. Also, Buckston, seven years seventy million,
Speaker 1: that's what the Twins are offering him.
Speaker 2: He probably won't take it.
Speaker 1: That's such a tough deal because if you look at
Speaker 1: the talent that Buckston has, you're looking at two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million, right If you look at the if
Speaker 1: you look at how many games he's been injured and
Speaker 1: how many times he's actually on the field, seven years
Speaker 1: seventy million kind of sounds accurate.
Speaker 2: It might actually sound high.
Speaker 1: It might actually sound high, especially seven years for a
Speaker 1: guy who's really struggled to stay on the field. I
Speaker 1: fall into the if you're Buckston, I understand not taking
Speaker 1: the deal. But if you're the Twins, I understand not
Speaker 1: giving him more. That's why I think Buxton is probably
Speaker 1: going to get traded this deadline.
Speaker 2: We've got a great show today. We've got top five DHS.
Speaker 2: We also have Kolby Olsen coming back on he just
Speaker 2: wrote a great article, is pretty much your primer for
Speaker 2: the second half, like here's where your team will likely
Speaker 2: finish up. And he's our algorithm guy, so he made
Speaker 2: the algorithm. But before we move on from this topic,
Speaker 2: I want to I want to pose you this open market.
Speaker 2: Who gets the bigger deal? Let's yeah, I'll make this
Speaker 2: a two part question. Okay, who gets the longer deal?
Speaker 2: Who gets the more lucrative deal? Longer Buxton or Korea?
Speaker 2: Oh all right? Oh hard? I think longer. I think
Speaker 2: the same thing. They're probably. I think they both get seven.
Speaker 2: You think they both get seven because Korea I think
Speaker 2: seven years one to twenties kind of fair.
Speaker 1: He's gonna want more. He's gonna want like one seventy five.
Speaker 2: Okay, but how seven years? Okay, so Korea and Buxton
Speaker 2: seven years one p fifties put on your plate. Buxton
Speaker 2: says hell yes and a heartbeat? Does Karrea say hell
Speaker 2: yes and a heartbeat? I think Buxton says yes. Correa
Speaker 2: says no. Even though who would I rather give it to?
Speaker 1: That's impossible because Buckston is more talented than Korea.
Speaker 2: He just is.
Speaker 1: Oh, Karea is really good too. But Chris also had
Speaker 1: his problem staying on the field. I know, I maybe
Speaker 1: it's a personal thing. I am in love with what
Speaker 1: Buckston can do. If he stays on the field, He's
Speaker 1: a better player than Krea. I would give it to
Speaker 1: Buxton first. I'd like to go in and check the medicals.
Speaker 1: I'd like to go in and check how these guys
Speaker 1: are actually training, because Cray has been fully healthy this year,
Speaker 1: but Buckston is still struggling to stay on the field.
Speaker 1: I would give you know, my baseball mind is telling me,
Speaker 1: don't be stupid, give it to Korea, but my heart
Speaker 1: is saying, like, I would rather have Buxton on my team.
Speaker 2: What do you think if Buxton works out for two years,
Speaker 2: three years. I'm not talking physically works out. I'm talking like,
Speaker 2: if he stays on the field he's healthy. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: he's one of the best center fielders in baseball. Like
Speaker 2: he's one of the most talented players that there is. Right, So,
Speaker 2: a healthy Buxton, if the injury bug subsides for him
Speaker 2: and he's not hurt the next seven years, I mean,
Speaker 2: Byron Buxton' is a seven year, two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million dollar guy. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, It's really
Speaker 2: hard because like I bank on Korea to stay on
Speaker 2: the field more than I bank on Buxton. But like
Speaker 2: I have no idea with Byron Buxton. It's an impossible
Speaker 2: question that I post. You don't, I don't really impossible.
Speaker 2: It's a great question though, before we get to Colby's,
Speaker 2: before we get to a conversation with Colby about the
Speaker 2: win and loss probabilities for the remainder of the year,
Speaker 2: I do have something I heard, So we got a
Speaker 2: straight away from Baseball real quick. Ugly Delicious is one
Speaker 2: of my favorite shows on Netflix. Dave Chang. He pretty
Speaker 2: much dives into a certain food so like pizza, barbecue, steak,
Speaker 2: and he will spend an hour long show on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Did I just mention that, I think I did. You
Speaker 2: did mention that? Yes, Yeah, he will dive in and
Speaker 2: he'll talk about, you know, the connotations behind the food,
Speaker 2: how it has been created. So like in the pizza episode,
Speaker 2: you know, he went to New York, he went to Detroit,
Speaker 2: he went to Naples, Italy for wood fired pizza, all
Speaker 2: that steak. He went to you know, Bondai Beach in Sydney, Australia,
Speaker 2: and then he goes to a steakhouse in New York,
Speaker 2: and then he talks about dry aging, and he talks about,
Speaker 2: you know, the masculine connotations behind steak and how you
Speaker 2: know it kind of isolates women who want steak. It's
Speaker 2: it's a fascinating show. I highly recommend you watching. I
Speaker 2: just rewatched the steak episode. And once the Tigers get good,
Speaker 2: once Riley Green, Spencer, Torress and Dingler. Yeah, once the
Speaker 2: Tigers get good, how did you get Yeah, so hold on.
Speaker 2: Once the Tigers get good. There's a steakhouse slash bathhouse
Speaker 2: in Detroit called the Schwitz that we gotta go to.
Speaker 2: And the idea is in the basement, you've got like
Speaker 2: this one hundred year old bathhouse. It's men only two
Speaker 2: days a week, women only two days a week, and
Speaker 2: then co ed two days a week, and you just
Speaker 2: get butt naked, you you know, do the bathhouse things.
Speaker 2: So like you're in a bunch of heat, you're in
Speaker 2: the spots type environment, and you hop into the cold tub.
Speaker 2: You get these natural remedies on you. Then you go
Speaker 2: upstairs and you have a steak with the guys just
Speaker 2: in a robe. Dude. Actually, it's one of the best
Speaker 2: steaks in Detroit. We gotta do it. And it's one
Speaker 2: of the best steaks in Detroit. Yes, what's it called
Speaker 2: the Schitz? The Schwitz sch v I t z the Schwitz. Dude,
Speaker 2: we gotta go.
Speaker 1: We'll record some content there that would be whole. I
Speaker 1: mean twenty twenty seven when the Tigers are good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I a lot of time to get super fits
Speaker 2: so we can record shirtless content.
Speaker 1: Also, did you see the uh did you see the
Speaker 1: Stroman fight ish with the Pirates?
Speaker 2: No, what are you talking about? I saw Melrojas got
Speaker 2: u suspended for a couple of games.
Speaker 1: It was the It was the first baseman Joeganowski or
Speaker 1: Jagganowski or John Lecgowski, John Negowski, Joggandowski, all right, I
Speaker 1: combined him for baseball guys, John Mike Wazowski, John Negowski.
Speaker 1: He was after Marcus Stroman got him to line out.
Speaker 1: John Degowski was like, are you talking shit? And Marcus
Speaker 1: Stroman was just like, I'm not even talking to you.
Speaker 1: You're John Nagowski and I'm Marcus Stroman. And John Nagowski
Speaker 1: took offense to that, obviously, and there was a little
Speaker 1: scuffle and then they're just jawing in the dug out.
Speaker 2: The baseball fights. Some of them are sick, some of
Speaker 2: them are so lame. This goes into the lame category.
Speaker 2: But I'm also using this as an opportunity to talk
Speaker 2: about the Pirates a little bit. I like their lineup
Speaker 2: a little You don't know, Yeah, their first three I do, Okay, Brian,
Speaker 2: Brian Hayes.
Speaker 1: And Brian Reynolds. That that's a good three, Yes it is.
Speaker 1: But the other six suck. Suck not the can you
Speaker 1: leave me alone? I'm trying to help the Pirates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure like they They are not.
Speaker 2: Horrid.
Speaker 1: They have there are some good parts to the Pirates.
Speaker 1: You're sitting there just like so bored. Can we get
Speaker 1: on the DHS? And I get it. They just don't
Speaker 1: Mitch that Chad cool, Mitch Keller. They don't have pitching,
Speaker 1: but they have some bullpen guys, and they have at
Speaker 1: least a good young core getting Henry Davis, He's gonna
Speaker 1: slave to catch her with. Jacob Stallings is pretty good
Speaker 1: they have at the pieces. This is not a dumpster fire,
Speaker 1: as we may have called him in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a total blow up. I agree, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: And Brian Reynolds. I don't think he's gonna get traded.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh says they want to build around him. He has
Speaker 1: over three years of control.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: He is a good player. Brian Hay is going to
Speaker 1: be an All Star. You get Henry Davis up.
Speaker 2: He's good.
Speaker 1: Like they have guys, and they killed the draft arm
Speaker 1: late in our prospect guy said they had the best
Speaker 1: draft out of every single team. Having the first pick helps,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of more picks to do, and
Speaker 1: they had great second rounders, third, fourth, They killed it.
Speaker 1: The Pirates are The Pirates are an MLB team.
Speaker 2: Is is this Ben Cherrington's first year or second year
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh? You think it's number two. Charrington was not
Speaker 2: horrible with the Red Sox. No, not at all. This
Speaker 2: is not a disaster. Yeah, guy knows.
Speaker 1: I don't see really any disasters right now in baseball.
Speaker 1: Do you see any disasters?
Speaker 2: Uh? Hard not to call Arizona a disaster. The Rockies
Speaker 2: are a disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, those really are the only two disasters. Because
Speaker 1: the Tigers at least have like a good young core.
Speaker 1: The Pirates have a good young core sort of. Baltimore's
Speaker 1: got Baltimore's. Baltimore's got a lot of good prospects. The
Speaker 1: Mariners have a lot of good prospects. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Rangers are approaching disaster, ah, but they've got some guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Rockies suck and horrible. I bet on the dime
Speaker 2: Backs today against the Pirates. Why I talk about a
Speaker 2: series I will not watch? I know.
Speaker 1: I even said the TikTok to. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going with Divebacks Pirates. I doubt you watch it, but
Speaker 1: I think the Diamacks are gonna win if you want to,
Speaker 1: just if you want to place a bet and not
Speaker 1: watch the game. Caleb Smith versus Chase g Young Dejeong.
Speaker 1: I'm not good with names, as you can probably tell.
Speaker 1: I know the guy's not good with names, you know,
Speaker 1: John Gookowski from the Pirates.
Speaker 2: The funniest part is I sent you MLB's pronunciation guide
Speaker 2: before the season, so it's possible. Feel free to look
Speaker 2: at that PDF whenever you want. Now, I think it's
Speaker 2: more fun if I just got a completely wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesredibility, I get it. I doubt
Speaker 2: all right. Now, we talked to Colby Olsen about teams
Speaker 2: wins and losses. This was a very fun article on
Speaker 2: just baseball dot com and we bring him in now.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about this article on this site called
Speaker 2: just Baseball dot com. You should go visit this site.
Speaker 2: You should read this article. And the article is called
Speaker 2: MLB's Second Half team Projections, Who should buy or sell?
Speaker 2: Question Mark. It is by the guy who's on the
Speaker 2: zoom right now, Colby Olsen. And what you did is
Speaker 2: you took a lot of data and you compiled it
Speaker 2: and you told us who was going to be good
Speaker 2: or bad in the second half and where teams are
Speaker 2: ending up. And the Giants are well over one hundred
Speaker 2: wins and the Diamondbacks suck. I think everybody knew that,
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of nuances to this. And
Speaker 2: before we get into anything, just explain how you calculated
Speaker 2: and how you validated where you think teams are going
Speaker 2: to end up. Wait, Colby, before you answer that, I
Speaker 2: loved read this article first head because the first like
Speaker 2: big headlight is Pethagorean win expectancy and I hold on,
Speaker 2: hold on, hold, I was like, what the hell is that? Hold? No, no, no, dude, dude,
Speaker 2: the best way possible shut up for a second. Stay
Speaker 2: that word again that starts with the Petagorean Pythagorean god pathagoon.
Speaker 4: You feel like you're back in junior year, pre couch
Speaker 4: class in high school. Man, it's it's a square plus
Speaker 4: B squad, right, don't exactly.
Speaker 3: Don't let the big words scare you. Sometimes they're your friend.
Speaker 2: No words can if you can't pronounce them, then they
Speaker 2: can be your enemy.
Speaker 4: So it sounds complicated, but it's really not, so let
Speaker 4: me run you through it. So basically, the idea behind
Speaker 4: Pythagora and win expectancy is that it models run differential, right,
Speaker 4: So you take runs scored, you divide that by runs
Speaker 4: scored plus runs given up, and that gives you basically
Speaker 4: a percentage that models out to be a win percentage.
Speaker 4: So then what I did is I actually tweaked the
Speaker 4: formula a little bit because I don't think runs scored
Speaker 4: is a very good stat to use.
Speaker 3: It's not very predictive.
Speaker 4: I decided to use weighted runs created, which you know
Speaker 4: obviously goes into WRC plus, which we commonly use and
Speaker 4: we love as a stat. I use runs against, not
Speaker 4: earned runs runs against, so you can include errors in
Speaker 4: that formula. And then After doing that, once you get
Speaker 4: the percentage. What I did was I multiplied that expected
Speaker 4: win percentage times the remains games for each team and
Speaker 4: added those expected wins to their you know, current winds total,
Speaker 4: and that's how I got my expected total wins for
Speaker 4: each team.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. A lot of steps, but it does make
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. And I do like that you
Speaker 2: use weighted runs created as opposed to just runs straight up,
Speaker 2: because it also gives you some predictive qualities to that,
Speaker 2: and I think that helps. The less prediction you have
Speaker 2: to make, the better you are off, right.
Speaker 3: I think too.
Speaker 4: I think everyone listening right now should go read the
Speaker 4: article because I think when you read it and you
Speaker 4: see the formula in front of you and you can
Speaker 4: kind of digest it a little bit easier.
Speaker 3: So definitely, yeah, but yeah, I mean it did interesting,
Speaker 3: interesting results. Right. You have the teams that you expect
Speaker 3: at the top.
Speaker 4: You have the Giants at you know, one of four wins,
Speaker 4: Dodgers at one oh two, the Astros at one hundred,
Speaker 4: and the White Sacks at one hundred. So those are expected,
Speaker 4: but they're way above the field there because the red sox,
Speaker 4: padres and rays are the fifth, sixth, and seven teams
Speaker 4: and they're back in ninety four wins. So the interesting
Speaker 4: thing about these results is it actually created kind of
Speaker 4: a tier system, right. It created four clear favorites at
Speaker 4: the top, another second tier of you know, wild card
Speaker 4: teams plus the AL East n L East are very competitive,
Speaker 4: so all those teams are roped in. There a middle
Speaker 4: tier kind of of like teams that Okay, are they
Speaker 4: gonna buy?
Speaker 3: Are they gonna sell? And then you have the dumpster
Speaker 3: flyers in the back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Colby, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: I know that you're our numbers guy, but I know
Speaker 1: you turn on turn on the TV and watch baseball
Speaker 1: every single day just.
Speaker 2: Like we do.
Speaker 1: Do you really think that the Giants are like, really
Speaker 1: in one hundred and four win team? Because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked, because how can you be now with the
Speaker 1: Giants and how good they've been to start the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, they ended the first half of the best
Speaker 1: record in baseball and they're just rolling like they're pitching
Speaker 1: is good, their offense is good, they're everything down the
Speaker 1: line is good.
Speaker 2: Do you see them really at one oh four?
Speaker 4: So I think that's a good question, and I do
Speaker 4: talk about this a little bit in the article as
Speaker 4: I bring up strength of schedule in the second you
Speaker 4: know part of the article, and strength of schedule is
Speaker 4: really important here because the Giants have to play the Dodgers,
Speaker 4: they have to play the Padres all the time. It's
Speaker 4: just like playing the Al East, right, these teams have
Speaker 4: to play each other, and it's hard to win all
Speaker 4: the games against the Yankees and Blue Jayson Rays, you
Speaker 4: know what have you?
Speaker 3: So, yeah, one oh four.
Speaker 4: That projection doesn't take into account strength of schedule. And
Speaker 4: that's why I talk about too like the White Sox,
Speaker 4: right they play they have the easiest strength of schedule
Speaker 4: in the first half, they have the fourth easiest in
Speaker 4: the second half, so they could really outperform their one
Speaker 4: hundred win projection, whereas the Giants might have a tough
Speaker 4: time winning one hundred and four games.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean one hundred and four just seems
Speaker 1: And I also saw I feel like the Padres got
Speaker 1: kind of low baald here.
Speaker 2: Do you think they got lowbald?
Speaker 3: They may, they may be a little low ball. I
Speaker 3: think you have to give context to all of these projections, right,
Speaker 3: because it's based on the first half and how they performed,
Speaker 3: which is a big sample.
Speaker 4: I mean it is ninety games. The Scary did underperform
Speaker 4: in the first half. Surprisingly, I think they've dealt with
Speaker 4: a little bit of inconsistency on the mound, some injuries,
Speaker 4: and also met Is hurt. You know, you have Clevenger out.
Speaker 4: They haven't been getting the production from certain players that
Speaker 4: they'd hope to.
Speaker 3: Hosmer has been.
Speaker 4: Really bad, but the Padres are still you know, it's funny, right,
Speaker 4: they didn't perform to their expectations in the first half,
Speaker 4: and yet we're still saying, Wow, their expectation is ninety
Speaker 4: four wins, so it's like if they could turn it on, yeah,
Speaker 4: they might be able to win under games for sure.
Speaker 1: I also saw that year expected the Diamondbacks to win
Speaker 1: fifty games.
Speaker 2: We were just talking about our oldie teams in baseball
Speaker 2: are probably disasters. I mean, we were not calling the Pirates,
Speaker 2: we're not calling the Tigers, we're not calling Oils disasters.
Speaker 2: But the Diamondbacks and Rockies seem like disasters. Am I right?
Speaker 2: Or am I right?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: The Rockies are well when my projections I have them
Speaker 4: at seventy one wins, they seem like a team that's
Speaker 4: you know, trying a little bit. They have they have
Speaker 4: some good players, Earn Marquez, John Gray, you know.
Speaker 2: Gone at the end of this month. Yeah, they'll be
Speaker 2: gone by the end of the episode release exactly.
Speaker 4: So we can get into talking about more of the
Speaker 4: trade deadline stuff now that we've gone through the strength
Speaker 4: of schedule and my projections, I think that's where the
Speaker 4: fun comes in, right, yeah, real quick, before we get
Speaker 4: to that, my eyes kind of gravitate on this chart
Speaker 4: to the NL East because it is GM packed in
Speaker 4: the middle. You've got the Mets at eighty six wins,
Speaker 4: You've got Atlanta at eighty two, Washington at seventy nine,
Speaker 4: Philly it's seventy nine, and then you've got the Marlins
Speaker 4: at seventy That is jam.
Speaker 2: Packed, and you've got the Mets spot on. It feels
Speaker 2: kind of spot on, right, Yeah, it does well.
Speaker 4: And so the thing is too is I made these
Speaker 4: projections right before the second half started, and Philly's gone
Speaker 4: to win a couple of games here, and they look
Speaker 4: like they're only what four games back, three and a
Speaker 4: half back from the Mets, and they look like they
Speaker 4: could really make a push here. They're they're you know
Speaker 4: alec bohe comes back, starts hitting a little bit. They
Speaker 4: could really make a push here, but the NA least
Speaker 4: is crowded. The Braves just lost to Kunya. They got
Speaker 4: Jack Peterson. They're probably gonna be big buyers. That that's
Speaker 4: you know, that's what I've heard their gms. And so
Speaker 4: the Mets are kind of in a danger zone right
Speaker 4: now where you once thought they had a grasp on
Speaker 4: the division and now they're kind of letting its lip
Speaker 4: and it's like, uh, oh, are we going to see
Speaker 4: another Mets second half disaster where they fall apart? And
Speaker 4: they move into August and September where they're you know,
Speaker 4: only one or two games up, and so there's four
Speaker 4: teams there. There's four teams.
Speaker 3: I think the interesting thing between the n AL and
Speaker 3: AL is that there's not enough spots.
Speaker 1: Which is not enough spots one more team that I
Speaker 1: was looking at. You have the Cardinals pretty damn low here,
Speaker 1: seventy five wins projected for the Cardinals. Oh that is
Speaker 1: low low.
Speaker 2: And I know it's it's based on numbers.
Speaker 1: It's not like like you're pushing in algorithms, and it's
Speaker 1: much more complicated than I can comprehend considering I called
Speaker 1: it Pathagorum, and I know it's Pythagoran, but I thought
Speaker 1: Pythagorium was funnier. I I just I don't see the
Speaker 1: Cardinals finishing below eighty wins. I would be shocked, especially
Speaker 1: get you get Jack flaerty Back. I still think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be big buyers of the deadline. I know that's not
Speaker 1: incorporated into it, and I know it's based off the
Speaker 1: first half, but like, I feel like for the rest
Speaker 1: of the season, you have the Cardinals as like a
Speaker 1: thirty five and fifty win kind of team, Like they'll
Speaker 1: be even worse than they were in the first half.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 4: Well no, So I think the thing with the Cardinals
Speaker 4: right is they cannot hit.
Speaker 3: They're pitching them can good. Their pitching has actually been
Speaker 3: surprisingly really good.
Speaker 4: In the addition of Flarty would be huge for them,
Speaker 4: but their outfielders don't provide much value. Tyler O'Neill hasn't
Speaker 4: been hitting well. Other guys in that lineup have not
Speaker 4: been hitting well. The reason that's really the reason there.
Speaker 4: It would be interesting.
Speaker 3: I know you're a.
Speaker 4: Guy that's been pushing for them to go get story,
Speaker 4: which I don't think is gonna happen, but it would
Speaker 4: be interesting. I don't think that the Cardinals should give
Speaker 4: up anything of value.
Speaker 1: Do you think they would give up Nolan Gorman in
Speaker 1: that deal? As soon as you said, I wouldn't give
Speaker 1: up anything as value. That's their best prospect right now,
Speaker 1: at least at their base.
Speaker 4: I don't think so, just because I don't think they
Speaker 4: really have a chance at the second wild card spot,
Speaker 4: and they're not going to catch the Brewers. Like I said,
Speaker 4: both wild card races are really sham packed. I think
Speaker 4: Cincinnati is going to make a really tough play for
Speaker 4: that second wildcard.
Speaker 1: Now you have since he had eighty five wins, that's
Speaker 1: ten wins above the Cardinals.
Speaker 3: And I think they could be a team that goes
Speaker 3: and gets story.
Speaker 1: We know Luis Castillo in his last nine guess what
Speaker 1: his ZRA is in his last nine starts to five.
Speaker 3: I bet he's doing I bet he's doing well.
Speaker 2: Jack. What about you? What do you think right around two?
Speaker 2: I think two to one.
Speaker 1: One seven, nine, Wow, he's on. Dude, Luis Castill when
Speaker 1: he's on is disgusting. When he's off, horrid when he's off.
Speaker 1: When he's not locating in that change up's going middle.
Speaker 1: He's horrid when he's locating. He's one of the best
Speaker 1: pitchers in baseball.
Speaker 2: Ninety seven with the change Hey, Kolby Anaheim, if they
Speaker 2: deal one of their outfield prospects for pitching, did they
Speaker 2: shoot up this list. Yon Marshall's coming up.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 4: Definitely, And you have to remember that they didn't have
Speaker 4: Trout for two months and you're getting back the best
Speaker 4: player in baseball who's worth you know, for the last
Speaker 4: sixty games.
Speaker 3: Of the year, could be worth four total wins.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how valuable he is when he's off crazy.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, Trout could propel the Angels. And
Speaker 4: as a baseball fan, you just really want to see
Speaker 4: the Angels in the playoffs. You want to see Otani
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. You want to see Trout in the
Speaker 4: playoffs because we just never have seen it. And it's
Speaker 4: one of those things that you know, you go, Trout's
Speaker 4: already a Hall of Fame. We don't have to discuss that.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you know, when
Speaker 4: he when we're talking about his legacy, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: really important for Trout to have at least a series
Speaker 4: win on his resume.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy, you guys are you know, Aaron
Speaker 1: Judge and Mike Trout have played the same amount of
Speaker 1: games since their Judge debuted, and Aaron Judge is this
Speaker 1: like injury prone guy, same amount of games? Interesting, right,
Speaker 1: I believe it? You know, Judge's looking at me like
Speaker 1: he just doesn't believe me because I don't, Judge.
Speaker 2: Savant. It's the same amount of game. I mean, check
Speaker 2: Baseball Reference, check Kobe talk. He's the guest. All right, fine,
Speaker 2: go gooby. No.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say that Judge seems like a
Speaker 4: guy that has never really dealt with a long term injury.
Speaker 4: He's always a guy that deals with these nagging, like
Speaker 4: obleaque injuries and seems like, you know, maybe.
Speaker 3: His results falter because of that. But he's fully healthy
Speaker 3: this year and he's raking.
Speaker 2: He's a top five outfielder. Kobe last one for you
Speaker 2: Boston at ninety four wins, Toronto right around at eighty
Speaker 2: nine wins. I think the Blue Jays are going to
Speaker 2: buy What do they have to buy to catch up
Speaker 2: to the Red Sox.
Speaker 4: Well, the clear need for Blue Jays is obviously starting
Speaker 4: pitching depth.
Speaker 3: I think relief depth is the need for just about
Speaker 3: anyone that's gonna contend.
Speaker 4: But the Blue Jays should go and look for a
Speaker 4: guy like Kyle Gibson. They should ask about Hermon Marquez.
Speaker 4: I don't think that mark, you know, for the right
Speaker 4: offer they I don't.
Speaker 1: Think the Rockies are going to trade him. I think
Speaker 1: they finally found their guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they did.
Speaker 4: He's only twenty six still, but get a guy like
Speaker 4: Kyle Gibson. I Springer's coming back, you know you have
Speaker 4: a full loaded lineup. This Blue Jays team is too
Speaker 4: good not to let fly completely. I mean, Nate Pearson's
Speaker 4: coming back too. Alec Manoa has been I think he
Speaker 4: has like a one to seven e RA in his
Speaker 4: last six or seven. So the Blue Jays are looking
Speaker 4: really good. I would be terrified if I was the
Speaker 4: Red Sox. So the Red Sox had one of the
Speaker 4: best first halves we've ever seen, and now it's like
Speaker 4: that probably was at this end of the spectrum. There's
Speaker 4: twenty twenty season. Was that this end of the spectrum,
Speaker 4: and they're probably gonna regress somewhere in the middle. So
Speaker 4: I'd be scared. It could be anyone's game, even the Yankees.
Speaker 4: The Yankees could make a comeback here. I know, Peter,
Speaker 4: you've been down on the Yankees, but like they're probably
Speaker 4: gonna buy big, I don't see it. I do not
Speaker 4: see a scenario where they don't buy big as well.
Speaker 4: With that team, I mean, there's not much movement except
Speaker 4: to buy. You can't really sell any of these guys.
Speaker 4: They only have one free agent going into next season.
Speaker 4: This is the team.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I mean, you're right, but we just
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to buy big. I don't want
Speaker 1: to just give away all of our prospects because we actually,
Speaker 1: I mean, Kobe, we were talking about it today. The
Speaker 1: Yankees farm system actually looks pretty decent. Look, they got
Speaker 1: a lot of high v low young right handers. They
Speaker 1: got some shortstop prospects, they got some catching prospects. They
Speaker 1: got Jason Dominguez, the son of whatever god you believe in.
Speaker 1: He's still that son. But I do have one more question,
Speaker 1: because the New York teams the big markets. You got
Speaker 1: the Mets at eighty six wins, and you got the
Speaker 1: Yankees at if you round up eighty six wins as well,
Speaker 1: if you had to make a decision right now, who
Speaker 1: you think actually ends up with more wins over a
Speaker 1: full season. Mets are Yankees?
Speaker 2: Who you going with?
Speaker 3: That's a really really good question.
Speaker 1: Because it's it's not even the Mets fault. They're a
Speaker 1: little bit injured. They been injured all year. Like Lindor
Speaker 1: just went on the d L L whatever you call
Speaker 1: it now, and it's I think it's been the ILE
Speaker 1: now for four years. I still called d L. I
Speaker 1: probably always will still call d L and de Gram's
Speaker 1: now on the IL two. I mean those are two.
Speaker 4: Interesting, so like, yeah, one scenario there is like does
Speaker 4: the team that wins more games have the better chance
Speaker 4: in the playoffs?
Speaker 3: And that's the question. I don't know. I think that currently.
Speaker 3: I still gotta stick with the Mets.
Speaker 4: I think the Mets are going to go get a
Speaker 4: guy like Chris Bryant and really load up, So I
Speaker 4: gotta stick with the Mets. Taiwan Walker just had to
Speaker 4: blow up. I mean that was just a weird game,
Speaker 4: and he's still an amazing pitcher. Is there any word
Speaker 4: on Cinder I have not heard a word on Cinder Guard,
Speaker 4: and that worries me because if they get him back
Speaker 4: that could be huge for the Mets as they go
Speaker 4: into the playoffs. So it's it's gonna be a really
Speaker 4: interesting trade deadline and a really interesting end of the year.
Speaker 4: So yeah, hopefully I'll be back, you know, in another
Speaker 4: week and we can talk about the trade deadline more
Speaker 4: as more rumors heat up.
Speaker 1: Jack, have you heard the Gallo and Gibson to San
Speaker 1: Diego for Mackenzie Goren pieces?
Speaker 2: Have you heard about that deal? I have heard about
Speaker 2: that deal. What do you think about that deal? I
Speaker 2: think it's fascinating And I'm not going to talk about
Speaker 2: it because I am with the four way and TinCaps
Speaker 2: and there are Padres affiliate So dude, come on, all right,
Speaker 2: mL just second half team projections? Who should buy or sell?
Speaker 2: Colby Olsen appreciate you, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, thanks for having me, Guys.
Speaker 4: I'm always happy to come on here and talk to
Speaker 4: you about stats, talk to you about how I actually
Speaker 4: watch baseball.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Okay, good conversation with Colby as usual. He's kind of
Speaker 2: snuck his way onto the pod twice in not too
Speaker 2: long a period of time.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's smart as shit. He just knows what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. He's explaining expected weighted on base plusing
Speaker 1: averaging double mctwists. Yeah, I think he's like and then
Speaker 1: but then you look at it's like, oh, Mike Trot's
Speaker 1: Summer one.
Speaker 2: We knew that. Oh so my eyes like prove whatever.
Speaker 2: So I also agree that Mike Trot is the best,
Speaker 2: perfect good. I think it's crazy that the Giants hold
Speaker 2: that top spot. It's crazy, right, we were not.
Speaker 1: Expecting this that If that prediction prediction holds, it's one
Speaker 1: of the craziest seasons I think we've seen in like
Speaker 1: the past decade of a team that maybe we were
Speaker 1: expecting to be like what eighty to eighty three wins,
Speaker 1: and now they're going to surpass that by twenty.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense, but
Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense. It does. It's the Giants. That's
Speaker 2: what the Giants do. Hey, n L this year, at
Speaker 2: the very least does not use a DH. Let's get
Speaker 2: into the top five designated hitters. And this was a
Speaker 2: short list. We're doing five, not ten. We only have
Speaker 2: two honorable mentions. There are a many guys that in
Speaker 2: our eyes qualify as a DH. I think that's because
Speaker 2: of the way that the modern baseball player is built.
Speaker 2: They're not built like a DH anymore. Nobody really comes
Speaker 2: in and it's like I can strictly hit and that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm not an athlete, not at all.
Speaker 1: And we were even going over the list, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many players only had two hundre played appearances at DH.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a lot of guys to consider,
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys have played DH before. But
Speaker 1: this list is centered around guys who are dhs for
Speaker 1: their team. You might see them throw out there and
Speaker 1: left or right, but these are you slot them in
Speaker 1: at DH and that's.
Speaker 2: Their position, right. It makes sense. So who's over two hundred?
Speaker 2: How many people we have over to under play appearances?
Speaker 2: Like six? Eight? Yeah, I think eight guys and we
Speaker 2: have seven including the honorable mentions. We did all that
Speaker 2: we could, but hey, listen, six and seven are still
Speaker 2: very good baseball players, like.
Speaker 1: Extremely good base If you're at six or seven out
Speaker 1: of position, you're awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and these guys are awesome. Honorable mentions Tampa Bay's
Speaker 2: Austin Meadows and the fre animal Cleveland Indians franmill Rayes.
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys mash in different ways. Meadows is
Speaker 2: your classic Like, yes, throw them in right, he's got
Speaker 2: a good arm, throw him in left. He's got a
Speaker 2: good arm and can move around a little bit. But
Speaker 2: his bread and butter is hitting the crap out of
Speaker 2: the baseball and hitting line drives all the time. And
Speaker 2: then Franmil Reyes, Yeah, I guess you could put him
Speaker 2: in left field, but like you don't really want to.
Speaker 2: He just hits tanks all the time. The launch angle,
Speaker 2: the average exit velocity all sky high. Like these are
Speaker 2: two of the most hard consistent contact players baseball.
Speaker 1: Has the for animal makes sense, I mean, the dude
Speaker 1: just hits absolute nuke tanks.
Speaker 2: And Austin Meadows.
Speaker 1: I will always remember Austin Meadows no matter what he
Speaker 1: does for the rest of his career because he was
Speaker 1: involved in possibly the worst trade of our generation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tyler Glasnaw Austin Meadows. And the guy you might not
Speaker 1: have heard of, Shane Baz, who's going to be maybe
Speaker 1: the next great pitching prospect as good as Glass. Now,
Speaker 1: we just watched him in the Future's Game. You heard
Speaker 1: us talk about him, Shane Baz effortless ninety eight. He's
Speaker 1: going to be fantastic. And you know who the pirates
Speaker 1: got in return in that deal.
Speaker 2: Chris Archer, Baby Chris Archer, who's also on the Rays
Speaker 2: right now. So sorry, Pirates not good. Not who the
Speaker 2: pirates aside from glass Now and Shane Baz, it's been
Speaker 2: Garrett Cole obviously that got away from them. Who else
Speaker 2: has gotten away from them in trades?
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and think, really, I think
Speaker 1: there's I don't know, no one's coming, No one's coming.
Speaker 1: Oh well, jameson Tyan, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tiwne is definitely one of them that I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Town's one of them. I don't know if they've
Speaker 1: just been trading away all of their pictures. I think
Speaker 1: this has been kind of a like a recent seat thing,
Speaker 1: like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. In the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: This has been really what the pirates have been doing.
Speaker 1: And I don't do I understand.
Speaker 2: Not really. We've done a lot of pirates conversation on
Speaker 2: this podcast. It's good. They need some love. They don't
Speaker 2: get a lot of media attention. That's what we do. Jack,
Speaker 2: You're right, and Yen's is the word of Pittsburgh. Y
Speaker 2: I n Z You ever heard that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: What does that mean, I think it means like y'all.
Speaker 2: Like Pittsburgh's version of y'all is yin's Yeah, So yin's
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound right at all.
Speaker 1: I don't know the IV versus AH, because when I'm
Speaker 1: when I'm looking for a group, I want awe rather
Speaker 1: than E yeah.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? I just want to say hey
Speaker 2: and have everybody hey, Hi, Hey, All.
Speaker 1: Right, none of that nonsense anymore. We break into the
Speaker 1: top five dhs at number five, Juhn Carlosan of the
Speaker 1: New York Yankees. Gincarlo can definitely infuriate some Yankee fans,
Speaker 1: but there is no doubt that he is still a
Speaker 1: top five DH in all of baseball. Hate on Stan
Speaker 1: all you want, but he hit three to ZHO eight
Speaker 1: in the playoffs last year and he's still mashing home
Speaker 1: runs with the best of them. I mean, his hard
Speaker 1: hit rates are absolutely still really unmatched. He hasn't had
Speaker 1: a year where he hit a ball at least one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty miles an hour. I want to say
Speaker 1: that again. Since twenty fifteen, he hasn't had a year
Speaker 1: where he hit a ball at least one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Nobody does that.
Speaker 1: The Yankees might have some problems, but Stan this season
Speaker 1: is far from one of them. Yeah, he makes a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but he's still one of the better
Speaker 1: power bats in the entire game and is still definitely
Speaker 1: a top five DH.
Speaker 2: Stantonian blasts man Stantonian blasts. I mean he's still that dude.
Speaker 2: He's still that dude, which he sneakily only makes like
Speaker 2: sixteen million dollars a year, and for a DH, that's
Speaker 2: a ton of mone But like that deal when it
Speaker 2: first came out, was like, oh my god, this is groundbreaking.
Speaker 2: And now you look at the annual value of that
Speaker 2: deal and it doesn't really match up with how the
Speaker 2: contract market has trended over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Multiple teams are still paying his contract, though I don't
Speaker 1: know how much he's actually bringing it.
Speaker 2: I bet he's bringing it a lot. I bet he's
Speaker 2: bringing in a lot. Three hundred and twenty five million
Speaker 2: dollars over thirteen years. I have always enjoyed watching John
Speaker 2: Carlos Stanton, and like, I'm not a Yankee hater, I
Speaker 2: certainly don't make the Yankees appointment viewing like Red Sox
Speaker 2: Yankees on Sunday Night Baseball. Also, that lineup was terrible,
Speaker 2: but they wont So that lineup looks bad. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: the whole team is out from COVID, Judge, Sella, all
Speaker 2: these guys.
Speaker 1: And then you take Judge out of a lineup and
Speaker 1: you look at Rugnidodor hitting third. Rugie you think and
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, God, where is this team gone?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: It's tough. So yeah, Stanton's really good.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: He's not as good as number four, and the fourth
Speaker 2: best DH is Nelson Cruz. Cruse is forty one years
Speaker 2: old and he's in the ninety sixth percentile and average
Speaker 2: exit velocity. I think that's all we gotta say, right.
Speaker 2: He left Texas at thirty two years old after an
Speaker 2: All Star twenty thirteen season when he hit twenty seven bombs.
Speaker 2: Since then, his lowest total in a full season is
Speaker 2: thirty seven, and his sixteen home runs in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: averaged out to a full season would be right around
Speaker 2: forty and dude's durable. Since that thirty two year old
Speaker 2: left Texas, he's a five time All Star. He's finished
Speaker 2: in the top ten of MVP voting five times in
Speaker 2: all three years that he wasn't In All Star he
Speaker 2: finished in the top fifteen of MVP voting. So he's
Speaker 2: always put together a great year. And is he going
Speaker 2: to hit fifty bombs as a fifty year old? Are
Speaker 2: we going to go fifty to fifty with Nelson Cruz.
Speaker 2: It's a possibility.
Speaker 1: And you know how there's the rumor going around that
Speaker 1: Albert pool Hools slied about his age and he's actually older.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that there's a rumor going around
Speaker 2: that Albert Pools is legit forty five. Huh. I had
Speaker 2: no idea that that was a rumor.
Speaker 1: And they're also I'm creating the rumor right now that
Speaker 1: Nelson Cruz is actually lying about being older than he is,
Speaker 1: that he's actually young too. I don't like he's lying
Speaker 1: about like because he wants to seem cooler, that he's
Speaker 1: legit thirty four. Dude, like Jorge Polonko seems as old
Speaker 1: as Nelson Cruise for no good reason, right.
Speaker 2: So I think Horge Polanco gave some of his years
Speaker 2: to Nelson Cruz. Something something's going on in Minnesota. Something man,
Speaker 2: I like forty one years old and he's going to
Speaker 2: hit thirty five bombs and.
Speaker 1: He'll be back next year too, probably had another thirty
Speaker 1: thirty five bombs again. Okay, what's stopping him from another
Speaker 1: year after that of thirty thirty five bombs?
Speaker 2: What's going to stop him? Clean slate, open market? How
Speaker 2: much do you pay Nelson Cruz on a one year
Speaker 2: deal next year? Twelve? You have eighteen million? Eighteen? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's forty two. Now that's stupid. That's twelve. I think more.
Speaker 2: I think at least fifteen.
Speaker 1: I mean if you gave him, would you be shocked
Speaker 1: if you saw a two year, thirty million dollar deal
Speaker 1: for Nelson Cruise?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Kind of. I mean, you're why having a forty
Speaker 2: four year old guy like he rags he's the best
Speaker 2: hitter in that lineup. He'd be the best hitter in
Speaker 2: a lot of lineups right now, man, I mean you're right,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Just just go to three. This guy's
Speaker 2: a lot younger than forty one.
Speaker 1: This guy is a lot younger than forty one. And
Speaker 1: the third best DH in baseball is your Don Alvarez
Speaker 1: of the Houston Astros. Can I start by saying that
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Alvarez will be a Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: one day. He's got that type of pop in his
Speaker 1: bat In his career one hundred and sixty seven games,
Speaker 1: almost a more than a full season, he has forty
Speaker 1: four home runs and he's hitting two ninety eight in
Speaker 1: his batting average, a three eighty two on base and
Speaker 1: he's slugging five eighty five. I think he's gonna finish
Speaker 1: his career with over five hundred home runs and a
Speaker 1: high enough average probably round two.
Speaker 2: Eighty two ninety.
Speaker 1: This man is seriously one of the best hitters in
Speaker 1: all of baseball. But he's not one of these classic
Speaker 1: bai Ol lefties that's swing and misses and pulls the ball.
Speaker 2: Every time. You gotta go look at his hit spray chart.
Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a behemoth that sprays the ball
Speaker 1: to every corner of the ballpark and is definitely the
Speaker 1: third best dch in the entire league.
Speaker 2: So our boy Bob Costas said that five hundred home
Speaker 2: runs is now a hu hum? What do you think
Speaker 2: about that? I love Bob.
Speaker 1: One of the greatest moments in my life is interviewing Bob.
Speaker 1: Five hundred or runs is not ho hum.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: You know how I know that because mcgougubret isn't even
Speaker 1: there yet, and Micgogubert is a legend, and the fact
Speaker 1: that he isn't there yet goes to show you how
Speaker 1: hard that is. And that's where I think Jordan willind
Speaker 1: up that, Like the dude barrels literally everything, everything, everything,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he's using like a bigger barrel
Speaker 1: than everybody else, Like his bat is because it's right
Speaker 1: in the middle.
Speaker 2: You gotta watch, you gotta watch him hit.
Speaker 1: I know you do, but it's like every single time
Speaker 1: it's right in the middle of that barrel, whether it's
Speaker 1: the left field, whether it's the centerfield, whether it's the
Speaker 1: right field, it's every time he barrels it more than
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the percentages, it's all one
Speaker 1: hundred percent percent max exit, all of that, Like it's
Speaker 1: all right there, and he's just he's a freak. And
Speaker 1: remember he went he came over from the Dodgers in
Speaker 1: that trade. He is not a guy the Ashos bread
Speaker 1: he he's a former Dodger farm man.
Speaker 2: I would like try and add something about Jordan Alvarez,
Speaker 2: but I think that was the perfect transition, bringing up
Speaker 2: Miguel Cabrera and barrels and all that stuff to the
Speaker 2: second best d in the game. I mean you're gonna like,
Speaker 2: I don't really care if you hate this or not. JD.
Speaker 2: Martinez is at number two, and I would just rip
Speaker 2: off a bunch of numbers. But that's not the best
Speaker 2: use of our time with him. Let's talk about his
Speaker 2: bat path. If you catch JD. Martinez in the on
Speaker 2: deck circle, you still might find him bringing the bat
Speaker 2: through the zone with one hand his backhand, and he's
Speaker 2: seeing it all the way through the zone. I don't
Speaker 2: think you could name five people playing right now that
Speaker 2: even come close to the level of hyper focus and
Speaker 2: the study habits that he brings. When it comes to
Speaker 2: his swing, he might be the smartest hitter in the game. JD.
Speaker 2: Martinez's swing has been manufactured by him to keep the
Speaker 2: barrel in the zone for the longest time humanly possible.
Speaker 2: Alex Spier, who does great work with the Boston Globe,
Speaker 2: said his swing path has been copped to a ferris
Speaker 2: wheel before. He doesn't swing particularly hard. He just has
Speaker 2: his barrel in a position to hit longer than anyone else.
Speaker 2: It starts in the back of the zone, it comes
Speaker 2: all the way to the front of the zone, JD
Speaker 2: has a career pull rate of thirty six and a
Speaker 2: half percent, and so far this year he's gone to
Speaker 2: pull thirty four percent of the time, up the middle
Speaker 2: thirty nine percent of the time, and the other way
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent of the time. There's no other hitter
Speaker 2: in baseball that hits to all fields with the power
Speaker 2: that JD does. And he said that his career took
Speaker 2: leaps after his time in Detroit because he got to
Speaker 2: study Megal Cabrera and that's I think the one guy
Speaker 2: in recent memory that you can compare not only the
Speaker 2: swing but the results for JD. Martinez too, said it
Speaker 2: very perfectly.
Speaker 1: I mean JD Martinez is Manny Ramirez esque for the
Speaker 1: Red Sox. He as a Yankee fan, He's always the
Speaker 1: scariest at bat. I mean, Rafael Dever's probably hits the
Speaker 1: Yankees even better, but JD Martinez when he's up a bat,
Speaker 1: similar to the big Poppy, similar to the man Ramirez,
Speaker 1: it's just a scary at bat, no matter what the situation,
Speaker 1: no matter what the pitcher, no matter what ballpark. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's the best hitter in the league, but
Speaker 1: he's one of the scariest when I'm personally watching him play.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing with him is like he's so strong,
Speaker 2: he doesn't look the part, and he's so smart, he's
Speaker 2: so smart, Like that is what takes.
Speaker 1: That's where that's what puts him over the edge because
Speaker 1: a lot of guys like have his level of power. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Jordon Can has the amount of power standing judge,
Speaker 1: like these.
Speaker 2: Guys have this, They have more power.
Speaker 1: But the way you use the power is something that
Speaker 1: Jad Martinez really has mastered. And the doubles machine on
Speaker 1: top of the home runs.
Speaker 2: Nobody can go the other way and hit one over
Speaker 2: the fence into the right center bullpen at Fenway like
Speaker 2: Jad Martinez.
Speaker 1: It almost looks like you're playing slow pitch softball and
Speaker 1: you kind of look at the fielders and you think,
Speaker 1: all right, where am I gonna place this ball? He
Speaker 1: does that with ninety five cutting in like that's the
Speaker 1: kind of hitter he is. Reminds me of another not
Speaker 1: reminds me sort of this. We were watching batting practice,
Speaker 1: right and this was back when each row was on
Speaker 1: the Yankees. I want to say four years ago. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe even sooner.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember, but watching guys take VP and
Speaker 2: Yankees are crushing balls, no doubt about it. But each row.
Speaker 1: There's a scuttle bud around, like saying, eachro hit, the
Speaker 1: home runs, hits some more runs. He looks in the crowd,
Speaker 1: rattles off eleven, just bang right field porch, just bang.
Speaker 2: Eleven in a row.
Speaker 1: And guys like that with such crazy bat control. Similar
Speaker 1: with jad Martinez, like I said, just placing balls where
Speaker 1: they want. And when you have that kind of power
Speaker 1: and that kind of ability with the bat.
Speaker 2: To say, I mean like that's you're one.
Speaker 1: Of the best players in baseball, and you're one of
Speaker 1: the best headers in baseball, and you're the second best ech.
Speaker 2: But talk about Babe ruth Man.
Speaker 1: The number one best each in baseball and quite possibly
Speaker 1: the most talented player we've ever seen is sho he
Speaker 1: O Tani of the Los Angeles Angels show Hey might
Speaker 1: be the best player in all of baseball. I mean,
Speaker 1: who do we compare him to?
Speaker 2: Babe ruth God.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a chance that he isn't really a
Speaker 1: human being, that he was sent down from an unknown
Speaker 1: planet to take over America's pastime. I mean, he leads
Speaker 1: all of baseball in home runs with thirty four. As
Speaker 1: a pitcher, he ranks with Judge and Stanton on hard
Speaker 1: hit rates. He ranks near Buxton in sprint speed. He
Speaker 1: has a similar strikeout percentage to Zach Wheeler. He is
Speaker 1: just below Clayton Kershawn pitching. He's a superhuman, easily the
Speaker 1: best each in baseball and is slowly becoming the best
Speaker 1: player in the entire sport. But his teammate Mike Trout
Speaker 1: might have something to say about that when he returns
Speaker 1: from injury. But sho Hey Otani is uncomparable, unmatchable.
Speaker 2: And just amazing. They've got the two best players in baseball.
Speaker 2: I like Mike Trout is This is so weird to say,
Speaker 2: but Mike Trout is better at hitting and fielding than
Speaker 2: Jacob de Gram is at pitching when you combine the two.
Speaker 2: So like Mike Trout, I think is a better position
Speaker 2: player than Jacob de Gram is a pitcher, even though
Speaker 2: that's really hard to say, but it's a toss up,
Speaker 2: right I think nobody would make the argument right now
Speaker 2: that Jacob de Gram should be ahead of Mike Trout
Speaker 2: if you were putting together your top ten players in
Speaker 2: baseball right now. It should not be de Gram over Trout,
Speaker 2: but Otani because he's so good at both.
Speaker 1: I mean he slots in right there, I agree, right,
Speaker 1: I mean we got to see Otani do it for
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, which is reasonable, just gotta see
Speaker 1: Tony do for a little longer. But I mean, shit,
Speaker 1: if you're starting four home runs, he's pitching three four ninety.
Speaker 2: Ra, you're the GM of the Seattle Kraken. Nobody's protected.
Speaker 2: You got this expansion draft coming up, it's show. Hey,
Speaker 2: he's won one. Think about this.
Speaker 1: We had a question on Twitter and we blew up
Speaker 1: on TikTok a little bit. Want your opinion on it.
Speaker 1: Vladimir Gero Junior wins the triple crown shoe Heo Tani
Speaker 1: hits fifty home runs, strikes out two hundred guys, steals
Speaker 1: twenty bags. Angels don't make the playoffs, Blue Jays do.
Speaker 1: Who's your MVP?
Speaker 2: Otani? Me too, quickly? Otani? Quickly?
Speaker 1: Otani right? Because I yeah, you give it to vlat
Speaker 1: I mean, Vladdie. Triple Crown hasn't been done before since
Speaker 1: Migul Cabrera. But I even commented back on the TikTok
Speaker 1: because they were saying no one's really ever done the
Speaker 1: triple crown instead of Meggia, I was like, name me
Speaker 1: another season where it's where what Otania has been doing
Speaker 1: has been.
Speaker 2: Done, Like name me one, because you can't not even
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth. That's also that's not a good take at all,
Speaker 2: Like obviously the triple crown is very rare, but like
Speaker 2: you've got Miggy who just did it at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the twenty tens, and then like obviously you got
Speaker 2: to go back to Yaz.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, you know, but there's some triple crowns where
Speaker 1: it was like forty five home runs, one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty RBIs and three ten like that's been done before.
Speaker 2: There's a precedent. There's a precedent for the exactly, there
Speaker 2: is a president. There's no precedent for what Showhy is doing.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's like Tom Brady led the league in
Speaker 1: touchdown passes and then went over and led the league
Speaker 1: in interceptions. You can't do it in basketball because they
Speaker 1: both there. It's it's uncomparable, it's unmatchable, and we're witnessing greatness.
Speaker 2: We are we're witnessing greatness, and it's the quick twitch movements,
Speaker 2: and it's the fine skills matched with pure athleticism and
Speaker 2: this guy is the most gifted athlete I think the
Speaker 2: world has right now, and on that, I think we
Speaker 2: should wrap up this episode. Thank you everybody,