Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater podcast recording in Hell. If
Speaker 1: they had decided to go, and they should have, if
Speaker 1: you really wanted to scare centers, you would have had
Speaker 1: it be cold and wet rather than hot and fiery. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Hell should have been cold and wet would
Speaker 1: be less people in it. The Hell we're in right
Speaker 1: now is Southern Prince of Wales Island. It's a very
Speaker 1: big island. It's like the by some definitions, the third
Speaker 1: largest island in the US. It's about half the size
Speaker 1: of Hawaii. Island has about four times the coastline um
Speaker 1: hundred sixty inches of rain, a significant proportion which we're
Speaker 1: logging right now. We're on a blacktail deer hunt. We've
Speaker 1: had one chunk of about five or six hours, which
Speaker 1: I would call productive hunting, out of three days. Uh.
Speaker 1: We're stuck right now in a seek outside tep tent.
Speaker 1: We call it personal like the t he TP for
Speaker 1: reasons I'm not gonna get into. And we're just waiting
Speaker 1: for the wind and rain to clear up. And it's
Speaker 1: just awful here with Brian the Kid Callen Yeah, Joan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. Actually, the only I'm thinking about is um
Speaker 1: when they're gonna be able to get the seaplane in
Speaker 1: here to get me the hell out of here. You know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking that until I got that fleece liner
Speaker 1: from my sleeping bag. I'm a new man. I'm good
Speaker 1: to go. Dude. We started a fire last night. The
Speaker 1: fire was a huge moral boost. Steve and I dried
Speaker 1: out my sleeping bag. My sleeping bag was wet from that.
Speaker 1: In the fleece liner. And the fact that for about
Speaker 1: two seconds I had a scope on a buck yesterday,
Speaker 1: for two seconds, I saw that sucker in the scope.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how rejuvenative that is. That means that if
Speaker 1: anything had gone differently, if he had stayed there, if
Speaker 1: the cameras were on him, if he didn't get spooked,
Speaker 1: he got spooked, he took off. We don't even know
Speaker 1: what spooked him. But we could have shot a deer
Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, we could have cooked him over that fire.
Speaker 1: You know. I later realized it would have been very
Speaker 1: difficult to get down and get that deer, but possible. No, Listen,
Speaker 1: I would have if I had to just get it,
Speaker 1: made a flight suit out of my rain We're I
Speaker 1: would have gone down there and got that. We would
Speaker 1: have figured it out, but we were on a cliff
Speaker 1: to That was one thing that was kind of scary,
Speaker 1: you know, it was reminiscent of it was reminiscent of
Speaker 1: your first deer. Yeah, we shot off a canyon rim. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're we're at We're landed on a lake here
Speaker 1: at ft above sea level, and this this area we're
Speaker 1: gonna get a tremendous amount of snow and uh in May.
Speaker 1: Still it's these mountains are snow cap They start to
Speaker 1: melt off in June and July, and when that happens,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of new growth, new plant growth, and
Speaker 1: blacktail deer will migrate up into the high stuff and
Speaker 1: they'll come up two thousand feet three thousand feetle They
Speaker 1: can get at it and live up there until things
Speaker 1: start to turn and the weather starts to turn, at
Speaker 1: which point they'll migrate back down and they rout down
Speaker 1: more a little closer to the water. We're later. We
Speaker 1: came up here later than than than we should have.
Speaker 1: Ideally we would have come up here, you know around August.
Speaker 1: Um you still got good weather. The deer is still
Speaker 1: very high up probably been good. I've come up here
Speaker 1: as late as September and had a pretty good hunting.
Speaker 1: We're into early October and it's it seems like there's
Speaker 1: a ton of sign where deer have been in here,
Speaker 1: but I just get the feeling like some of the animals,
Speaker 1: you know, significant portion animals have moved out. But yesterday
Speaker 1: we had like great weather. We liked up from here
Speaker 1: maybe five ft we woand up seeing uh six deer,
Speaker 1: saw one buck. I was super optimistic and then it's
Speaker 1: just the weather just collapsed us again. It's just been
Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of tough and and a little
Speaker 1: bit miserable. But the fleece liners are nice because they
Speaker 1: don't when your bag gets wet, the fleece liners still
Speaker 1: feels fresh and nice. Yeah, fleece line is huge changes
Speaker 1: the game. Fires changed the game too. Yeah, fires a morale,
Speaker 1: but are a morale boost. Yeah, yeah, that that had
Speaker 1: a huge impact. You know. I was determined yesterday to
Speaker 1: get a fire going. So I started gathering up little
Speaker 1: tiny twigs, and then Mike and I started sawing little
Speaker 1: pieces that looked like they might be able to be cooking.
Speaker 1: And then Doughty figured out that you could light free
Speaker 1: Do's on fire, and they light on fire really good,
Speaker 1: and so Doughty really actually started the fire off. He
Speaker 1: got a little we found a piece of cardboard box
Speaker 1: and he put the free do's in the box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we lit that on fire, and then we
Speaker 1: staffed a little twigs on fire. Before you know, we
Speaker 1: had an actual fire. You should sell fire kids, do
Speaker 1: you where it's just like a ox holfritos, Hold they're flame.
Speaker 1: It was fun. Man, last night was great. Just just
Speaker 1: having that was gigantic. So we got it's it's Sunday,
Speaker 1: supposed flat here on Tuesday. Honestly, I don't We wouldn't
Speaker 1: have a chance to really get out of here until
Speaker 1: Tuesday because the weather. There's no way you get a
Speaker 1: plane in here. Right now. We got gale force winds.
Speaker 1: Monday is supposed to be frequent showers, but sounds like
Speaker 1: it will be huntable Tomorrow, could be huntable tonight, Um Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we'll see. We might have a lot more hunting days
Speaker 1: in store. If the plane can't get in here, I
Speaker 1: will never ever, uh ever come back here. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think what I don't think I'll ever come
Speaker 1: back to this spot. Yeah, this place sucksly, I definitely
Speaker 1: won't come back, won't I've come back in August. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd come back in August, but uh, I want to
Speaker 1: come back in early October. And the problem is so
Speaker 1: so the you know, we're we're doing obviously a film
Speaker 1: hunt for media or the TV show. And this is
Speaker 1: the third time we've been graced with the presence of
Speaker 1: Brian the Kid Calling and Joe Rogan. And the first
Speaker 1: time we hunted together, we went and hunted mule during
Speaker 1: the Missouri breaks and that was cold, but we were
Speaker 1: seeing deer, you know, we knew we were gonna get
Speaker 1: a deer. Then we went white tail deer hunt and
Speaker 1: that was ridiculously cold, but we were seeing dear lots
Speaker 1: of them. And this isn't nearly as cold, but just wet.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's just like sick of Blacktail deer
Speaker 1: hunting is this It's just a wet game. I don't
Speaker 1: know if people aren't into it where they're not into
Speaker 1: it because of the conditions were because they don't have giant, big,
Speaker 1: sexy rats, you know, well, sick of blacktail aren't really
Speaker 1: into it either because we haven't seen any. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hang out in the woods. Yeah. Even the deer
Speaker 1: aren't into it. Yeah, yeah, even that they're like, oh
Speaker 1: this place sucks, Dan Dode, he knew, Dan, tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about what you knew. We should explain
Speaker 1: why we're in this TV. Did you explain exactly what's
Speaker 1: going on outside while we're not out hunting? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have right now, we have Gail. Well, there's three problems
Speaker 1: right now. The problem one is we have Gail forest winds, um,
Speaker 1: everything's moving and shaking, and the rain is is moving horizontal.
Speaker 1: Problem two is the rain, it's very wet out. Problem
Speaker 1: three is we're in a cloud. We're actually in a cloud,
Speaker 1: so you can't see any of the anyways, any appreciable
Speaker 1: distance to go out and hunt right now? Um, if
Speaker 1: you could remove either the wind or remove yeah, either
Speaker 1: the wind or the clouds, I think you could probably
Speaker 1: go out and hunt. But right now, I think you're
Speaker 1: not saying right out, you're wasting your time and you're
Speaker 1: just burning up dry close How many how many days
Speaker 1: supplies until we have started each other? If we do
Speaker 1: get stranded at it, if things get that bad, we
Speaker 1: would walk, Uh, we would walk out to my cabin.
Speaker 1: How long would that take? Would you guys, I have
Speaker 1: hold on. I have a tireless swagger. Because you remember
Speaker 1: your friend Joe was explaining how you have a hard
Speaker 1: time moving from point A to point because I have
Speaker 1: I move with the woods, I move with the lamb.
Speaker 1: You just don't move good. No, no, no, that's that's
Speaker 1: a mistake. What you're seeing is you're seeing I moved
Speaker 1: through space with minimum waste. If I didn't know better,
Speaker 1: I would say you have a neurological issue. No, no no, see,
Speaker 1: this is this is where you're wrong. What I'm doing
Speaker 1: is I'm I'm I'm shucking and driving and you have
Speaker 1: to do that to get through the vegetable. Looks like
Speaker 1: there's a hitch in your step, That's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: But I'm ducking, I'm up, I'm down, I'm moving around.
Speaker 1: I practiced my pot of your legs, they don't make
Speaker 1: like you don't have like a long stride. Liked that's too.
Speaker 1: I have a long torso when I have short Italian
Speaker 1: peasant legs. They're built to uh, to squat and dig
Speaker 1: and uh I that's they're built for poverty. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm built for poverty and to carry sticks on my
Speaker 1: back and to be oppressed. But I get there. I
Speaker 1: get there. So yeah, with you guys, with you stepping
Speaker 1: and driving whatever you're doing, jumping and driv away from
Speaker 1: the woods, it would probably turn into an overnight er.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could probably leave at daybreak and
Speaker 1: get there by dark. Jeez, it's six miles. Six miles
Speaker 1: to Pitch. I ran I walked. I don't know how
Speaker 1: long we take you get there, Sles, it seems like nothing.
Speaker 1: We do it, like six miles. He's like, well, it's
Speaker 1: just it's a matter of clips. Yeah, it's a matter
Speaker 1: of clips. I forgot we got a satellite phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'd be all right. We'd walk down, have Ron come
Speaker 1: get us. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, was that how far would
Speaker 1: that for him to make a run walk to where
Speaker 1: Ron would come get us. Oh, we would a couple
Speaker 1: of miles, A few miles so easy. Maybe maybe it'd
Speaker 1: be a bad few miles would be like the worst
Speaker 1: few miles you ever walked, would it be? It's doable.
Speaker 1: So this might be a real issue, Like we might
Speaker 1: really get stuck here because this wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 1: Today was not supposed to be like this Tuesday. Tuesday
Speaker 1: is going to clear up though, and you know how
Speaker 1: you now predictable Alaska forecasting. Tuesday is supposed to be
Speaker 1: sun raine, light wind. My suggestion is that the next
Speaker 1: break we get, we get a plane in here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: be smart without a doubt. Ye have to day. I
Speaker 1: got the phone in my pocket. We can make a
Speaker 1: phone call right now to PROMAC and see what they're
Speaker 1: availability is. As long as we're long, as we're doing this,
Speaker 1: I want I wanna um touch on real quick. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was gonna say some stuff about flying
Speaker 1: hunting in Alaska, how tenuous it is because you can
Speaker 1: get stuck places for days. A friend of mine just went,
Speaker 1: you know, brand was on a cariboo hunt. They hunt.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to just go in for a couple
Speaker 1: of days. They went in a couple of days, shot
Speaker 1: five cariboo and then sat there for five days wait
Speaker 1: for a planning to be able to come get him. Wow.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is after you know, the N eleven terrorist attacks,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of guys they grounded all the flights.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that was like frying hunting season.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people sitting out in
Speaker 1: the woods who had flights scheduled to come get him,
Speaker 1: and then one day there's like no sound of aircraft.
Speaker 1: They have no idea what happened. There's no aircraft in
Speaker 1: the air, No one comes and gets them. Kind of
Speaker 1: weird few days. How many days was it before they too?
Speaker 1: You know, I was reading about a guy who shot
Speaker 1: a buffalo on the tent, supposed to get picked up
Speaker 1: on the eleventh and he said it's like, not only
Speaker 1: did his plane dot com, he said, just dead quiet,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's always aircraft noise in Alaska. You
Speaker 1: know what in places there's always aircraft noise. So that's
Speaker 1: a problem. The other problem is this is like, you know,
Speaker 1: a constant debate we Elwyes have because Joe Rod really
Speaker 1: wants to go into elk hunt real bad, and the
Speaker 1: constant debate we eyes have, or discussion we have is
Speaker 1: like what type of hunt do you want? And and
Speaker 1: Joe on the l sounds you just want to get out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to suffer. So there's like like weird
Speaker 1: to the equation, know a do it yourself hunt? You're
Speaker 1: really open to haveven like like bad stuff like this
Speaker 1: happened like this, Yeah, I would say, this could happen
Speaker 1: on This could happen on a guy, This could happen
Speaker 1: on a guide and hunt perfectly well too. But it's
Speaker 1: just like it just seems to me like a do
Speaker 1: it yourself, a classic do it yourself public land hunt conundra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you don't listen to Dan Doughty, you're definitely gonna
Speaker 1: get yourself Doughty's voice of caution. What do you do
Speaker 1: about this episode? Now, this episode is largely unsuccessful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been through it before. We'll make something out of it.
Speaker 1: This happens, he was all the time. But listen, the
Speaker 1: last two months we were on Now, we were out
Speaker 1: hunting black bears and it was just like a done deal.
Speaker 1: It was a skunker and then family got something. We
Speaker 1: just spent eight days looking for a moose kill one
Speaker 1: on day nine. It's it's just a thing. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's gonna happen this time, but it's just the
Speaker 1: thing that happens all the time. You have to wait
Speaker 1: it out and bear it out. Someone in the center
Speaker 1: right now is messing with a jet boil and he's
Speaker 1: getting a lot of strange looks. You guys are so distracted,
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how shut it up. It was dead
Speaker 1: behind the plastic. Then. Anyway, I'm glad to hear you
Speaker 1: say that you'll never come here again, because I actually
Speaker 1: won't ever come back here. I promise you that, Like
Speaker 1: to what degree won't you come back here to this island?
Speaker 1: Probably the whole island? Yeah? Probably? And mess is July?
Speaker 1: Yeah never, Well, so what happened to our What about
Speaker 1: this spring when we go up with barbed up by Juno?
Speaker 1: That's not this island? Probably, I probably won't go anyway. Really,
Speaker 1: all right, so we just law. Not only do we
Speaker 1: have a bad hunt, we just law. As the producer,
Speaker 1: I do think there's something immensely satisfying about suffering in
Speaker 1: comparison to an easy hunt, where you know you're in
Speaker 1: a cabin and you go out and you wait and
Speaker 1: you shoot it here. I actually, what are you doing
Speaker 1: with that oatmeal? I'm keeping the sugar out. I don't
Speaker 1: need sugar. That's why they call me the kid. Let
Speaker 1: me see what you did? You know, sugar sits in
Speaker 1: my bottom. Some of that it's not water. We um
Speaker 1: this this hunt sucked. Yesterday was fine. I'll think you
Speaker 1: got Bryan Callen. Just let you know, Bryan Callen is
Speaker 1: as a side deal, you know, the little old meal packets. First,
Speaker 1: I want to give you a hunting trip. When you're hunting,
Speaker 1: you can just eat your oatmeal out of your oatmeal
Speaker 1: packet by just pouring water into the envelope and eating
Speaker 1: it out of there. You don't need the bowl. We
Speaker 1: learned that from one of the great this man i've
Speaker 1: ever met, Marty Shy to mantle wherever he is today.
Speaker 1: And Brian is digging around with you one of these
Speaker 1: packets right now, individually selecting out the oats and the
Speaker 1: belief that he is leaving the sugar behind and just
Speaker 1: getting the oats. Yeah I can, I did it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I just you left a bunch of oats and the
Speaker 1: bottle of the beg. Anyway, Um, it's it's it's all
Speaker 1: fun to suffer and everything like that. But it is
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, and we do know a lot about
Speaker 1: like where it sucks and where it doesn't suck. In
Speaker 1: the future, we would love to go hunting with you again.
Speaker 1: Let's go somewhere that doesn't suck. Let's go somewhere that
Speaker 1: has a lot of animals and doesn't suck. Everything I've done,
Speaker 1: and a lot of things I do in my life
Speaker 1: is a reaction to whatever happened lasts to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: so from this mistake, so we went here as a
Speaker 1: react action, like reacting against what happened last time we
Speaker 1: went hunting, which is like we're stand hunting for white tails. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, considering that I want to go,
Speaker 1: we didn't go on to another stand white tail hunt.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go do something totally different. So now
Speaker 1: there's no way I would leave here and do something
Speaker 1: like this again. The next thing would be that we'd
Speaker 1: go to the desert. A desert. What can you ship
Speaker 1: in the desert? Us? This is a lots of your hunt, Like,
Speaker 1: who's deer have desert? There's a desert hunts for he really,
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on how you define desert. It
Speaker 1: might not be like the Mojave, but I'm saying like
Speaker 1: an area that has less than thirteen inches of precipitation
Speaker 1: a here. So yeah, it would be we would do
Speaker 1: something totally different next time. And uh, And the reason
Speaker 1: I came back here is because it was it ended
Speaker 1: up the last time I was here. It was so
Speaker 1: beautiful on the last day that I just wanted to
Speaker 1: come back and experience more of that. But I screwed up.
Speaker 1: It is it is a really beautiful one. Have a break.
Speaker 1: I just hope you guys will give me their chance.
Speaker 1: Do the planes fly at night? No, of course we'll
Speaker 1: get another chance. I'm worried I'm not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get back in time for this weekend. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I have to do next weekend.
Speaker 1: It would be a huge issue if I can't get back.
Speaker 1: We'll get back. I'll get my map out and I'll
Speaker 1: see what it would involve to. Uh what kind of
Speaker 1: hell we're looking at to get down the water? And
Speaker 1: then uh, Ryan later come around and get us. You
Speaker 1: still gotta get across the thing, but we can figure
Speaker 1: that out too. Across plant straight. We're just tough to
Speaker 1: get across. Well, what we gotta call and get a
Speaker 1: like we've been running off of something called a marine forecast,
Speaker 1: and then marine forecast a little bit hard to translate
Speaker 1: into what it means for you up into where we're at.
Speaker 1: What's the latest forecast for today? We in diminishing rain
Speaker 1: turning to showers. It's ten twenty. Can they fly when
Speaker 1: they're showers? No, the showers don't matter. It's just the
Speaker 1: ceiling matters. There's the wind and ceiling. So is it
Speaker 1: possible that we can get out of here today? M No,
Speaker 1: No way. May. Usually they're not gonna cross if you
Speaker 1: call them. Don't know if you they're not gonna cross
Speaker 1: Clarence like they're not gonna cross Clarence straight with much
Speaker 1: more than winds. Aren't you cheap skates? I know you
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Speaker 1: If you want to go onto Elkhout where there's like
Speaker 1: guaranteed success um, that could be done. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what I would do next. I would probably want
Speaker 1: to take you either to hunt in the desert or
Speaker 1: I want to go up and hunt caribou on the
Speaker 1: north slope. Caribu on the north swop sounds like a
Speaker 1: great time. That sounds like a lot of fun I
Speaker 1: wanted to get. You can get stuck, but also you
Speaker 1: can get where you're You're probably gonna have hundreds of
Speaker 1: animals walk by every day, because that would be my reaction,
Speaker 1: you know what I said, Like I'm always reacting. I
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, not many animals now where we
Speaker 1: go see some animals hundreds right walking by. Well that
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of fun. So that's what we'll
Speaker 1: go do next. That's a future hunt. But I would
Speaker 1: say I do want to return to one thing about
Speaker 1: black tail deer hunt just in general on the subject
Speaker 1: of hunting, there are a couple under under utilized hunts
Speaker 1: in this country. And I would say a lot of
Speaker 1: times people contact me like I really want to go
Speaker 1: do it do it yourself hunt. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: have a ton of money to spend, Like what should
Speaker 1: I do? As much as this sucks, I think that
Speaker 1: on these like in black tail sick of black tailed
Speaker 1: deer areas, there are many areas that just simply that
Speaker 1: go years and years and years that never get hunted.
Speaker 1: You know, Like if a guy is looking to go
Speaker 1: on a on a hunt and they want to do
Speaker 1: like a do it yourself public land hunt, I think
Speaker 1: that this is something that just doesn't get a lot
Speaker 1: of attention. A lot of guys when they go on
Speaker 1: they want to go on a hunt out west. They're
Speaker 1: they're focused on a handful of things, like a handful
Speaker 1: of glamorous things. But I feel like people should pay
Speaker 1: more attention to doing this. I feel like, uh, mule,
Speaker 1: you're hunting is a big thing that a fella can
Speaker 1: just go and do. But this, there's areas out here
Speaker 1: that will never be in our not in our lifetimes.
Speaker 1: There's areas out here that will go years and years
Speaker 1: and years and no one's ever gonna walk in them
Speaker 1: to hunt. But you've got to be just a little
Speaker 1: hardier than the average do it yourself. Or that's looking
Speaker 1: at that mule deer or elk hunt out west versus
Speaker 1: coming up and hunt and sickle black to a deer
Speaker 1: is on some rainy island. You've gotta want that next
Speaker 1: level of into your next level of experience. You've got
Speaker 1: to really want that, yeah, because it is the next level.
Speaker 1: You can't drive here in your pickup truck towing a
Speaker 1: trailer with you know, basically the kitchen saint behind you. No,
Speaker 1: but you would take a ferry up. You could take
Speaker 1: a ferry up to Prince Wales Island. Take a car
Speaker 1: ferry up to Prince Wales island. Have your truck on
Speaker 1: the road system, the same way guys do. Tons of
Speaker 1: guys do for black bear in spring. Get your truck
Speaker 1: on the road system, drive in and hike up into
Speaker 1: the alpine zone. Yeah, it's miserable, but it's like, if
Speaker 1: you want to do let me put this away. If
Speaker 1: you want to do a hunt where you won't see
Speaker 1: any other people, which is my favorite kind of hunt.
Speaker 1: I like to be that I'm the only guy in
Speaker 1: the area and I'm hunting deer. That you're doing or
Speaker 1: hunting game is acting like game and not that's acting
Speaker 1: like in response to people. It's just it's just a
Speaker 1: different experience. You can do that all day long here,
Speaker 1: all year long, in the long season August fifte January
Speaker 1: one four bucks per year. It's a good deal. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're not experiencing it right now. But this is the
Speaker 1: only real bad, sick of black tail hunt I've ever had.
Speaker 1: You can see that if the weather broke, this would
Speaker 1: be a paradise because some of those places yesterday, when
Speaker 1: we come across like some lake, like a little pond,
Speaker 1: it's like shankra Lott really is it really is like
Speaker 1: a paradise, Like you can't believe something's beautiful exists. But
Speaker 1: you know, we we filled our canteens off this waterfall
Speaker 1: and it was just I don't know it was. It
Speaker 1: was incredible and it was warm, and you came back
Speaker 1: and had a nude bath. I had a nude bath.
Speaker 1: And when I was on the mountain, I had my
Speaker 1: shirt off. And I wish you'd seen that. Because a goal,
Speaker 1: a bald eagle circled me. I think in reverence. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to but but it did. It did, go,
Speaker 1: go go, And I was like, which is Native American
Speaker 1: for go with God? But it saluted me. I swear
Speaker 1: to God, it saluted me. I think I don't have proof,
Speaker 1: but he tipped up and he's not making this up.
Speaker 1: He was standing there, half buff and a bald eagle
Speaker 1: sword by it. It was a beautiful site. The bald
Speaker 1: eagle was a beautiful part of less because I'm so
Speaker 1: authentically American, but also because my back, my back is
Speaker 1: so feed out that they look like wings. They called
Speaker 1: me the eagle when you see me from behind? What
Speaker 1: why did you make that noise? Oh? And you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys saw a BlackBerry yesterday. I wonder if she's
Speaker 1: not up here trying to not get her cub killed Neaton,
Speaker 1: and she just kind of steers clear of all the
Speaker 1: bears made because because mail bears will kill a gubbu. Wow,
Speaker 1: Yeah they do, and they like do a lot of
Speaker 1: infant aside. Man, they say that um on Kodiak. When
Speaker 1: the boers come out, one of the primary things they
Speaker 1: eat is cubs, brown bear cubs. That's like, that's like
Speaker 1: they come out and that's what they're doing, is they're
Speaker 1: eating brown bear cubs before they start even saying. The
Speaker 1: big reason they do that is to actually make the
Speaker 1: female come back in the asters. Is that in there,
Speaker 1: I think a like a a person who's I think
Speaker 1: a scientist will tell you don't really know why they
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, they probably do that for food.
Speaker 1: But a result of doing that is that the female
Speaker 1: will then come into estros more quickly. So you run
Speaker 1: the risk of killing your own offspring. But the result
Speaker 1: is you have if you're around and it's in and
Speaker 1: she's in your area, she's gonna come back into Ester's
Speaker 1: you have a chance to breed her. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if the bear. I doubt the bear is making
Speaker 1: these calculations, the brown bear will actually eat its own
Speaker 1: I think they run the risk of that. They don't know, okay,
Speaker 1: because I mean lions lead, you'll kill lead, you know,
Speaker 1: but but they don't kill their own officer, you know,
Speaker 1: Like what like you guys ever hear the geneticist Stephen
Speaker 1: Gould he had to say when he wrote about where
Speaker 1: when we look at like we look at the natural
Speaker 1: world and everything we see, we go like, oh, it
Speaker 1: does that for this reason, right, it does have for
Speaker 1: this reason. So you might say, like, what's the selective
Speaker 1: or what's the adaptive advantage of having brown bark? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: the brown, the barks brown? Because whatever He's like, maybe
Speaker 1: there is no advantage at all to having brown bark.
Speaker 1: There's an advantage to having really thick bark because it
Speaker 1: can withstand forest fires, let's say. And as a result
Speaker 1: of becoming thick, it takes on a color that isn't
Speaker 1: a detriment, but it's not an asset either. It just
Speaker 1: happens to be brown, you know, And you look at
Speaker 1: and go like, oh, I want to be if to
Speaker 1: be that way for that reason. But yeah, a bear,
Speaker 1: I bet he's probably to keep because he wants to
Speaker 1: eat it, and he wants to get food. And in
Speaker 1: a advantage, like a hidden advantage of that, is it
Speaker 1: she comes into asters, he breeds. So maybe a board
Speaker 1: it's more likely to devour a lot of clubs, gets
Speaker 1: a lot more chances in his area to breed a
Speaker 1: lot more females. So I don't know how it rules
Speaker 1: out that he's not just killing his own offspite. Maybe
Speaker 1: he don't care. H At one time found a black
Speaker 1: bear that had shipped out. It was a black bear ship.
Speaker 1: He had shipped out a black bear cubs claw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a coyote ship that shipped out of deer's
Speaker 1: hoof a fawn hook they found they found very d
Speaker 1: n a. And those wolves in Siberia, right, they were
Speaker 1: eating barren. What do you know about that? There's a
Speaker 1: special on wolves in Siberia. This giant wolves made. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they eats well, oh they must have been eating cubs.
Speaker 1: Not gone that. The whole story was that they were
Speaker 1: taken down grizzlies. But I'm sure they killed the cubs.
Speaker 1: Cubs maybe, yeah, I doubt a bear nonsense. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: when I found when I found that kyo, the kyle
Speaker 1: that shipped out the hook I started a whole animal
Speaker 1: ship collection. The guy, why did you keep this in
Speaker 1: your house? I would dry it on screens. I had
Speaker 1: a big coffee table made up with a glass top.
Speaker 1: I took a big giant coffee table and painted yellow
Speaker 1: like a National geographic magazine binding binder, and I built
Speaker 1: a three inch high lip around it, and then bought
Speaker 1: a big heavy chunk glass and laid it on so
Speaker 1: you'd be like drinking or whatever looking down on the
Speaker 1: glass top table. And it was recessed where I had many,
Speaker 1: and so we wound up having we had the Me
Speaker 1: and my brother were both like it. So we had
Speaker 1: like grizzly bear that have been eaten grass. We had
Speaker 1: grizzly bears have been eating white bark pine nuts. We
Speaker 1: had grizzly bear to be elp. I had like cotton
Speaker 1: tail rabbit, snowshoe hair jack rabbit. I had like summertime dear,
Speaker 1: winter dear. I mean I had mink, muskrat. I had
Speaker 1: had dozens and dozens of specimens. We'd rotate in and out,
Speaker 1: but I would dry it on screens. Then I would
Speaker 1: lacker it and absolutely olderless and just and it when
Speaker 1: laid out, I'm telling you I'm not tell I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you, just to sound like like it wasn't like
Speaker 1: a thing, like you're just doing it for It was
Speaker 1: a beautiful display of animal scant, but it's hard to maintain,
Speaker 1: like the stuff just you know, it's still kind of falls,
Speaker 1: gets too dry and falls apart, and eventually just got
Speaker 1: sick of it. But I had an amazing collection of
Speaker 1: animal scat. You got too much free time. Son. No
Speaker 1: how many how many pis animal scatter we seen walking
Speaker 1: around a lot, I left them all. Didn't have desire
Speaker 1: to even touch him. I never thought once about picking
Speaker 1: them up. Definitely wouldn't take them home without a doubt,
Speaker 1: wouldn't lacker them and have fucking breakfast looking down at
Speaker 1: animal ship. It wasn't gonna last. There's certain things in life.
Speaker 1: The scat collection be one. There's certain things life for everyone.
Speaker 1: Like if you tell someone about the scat collection, they'd
Speaker 1: be like you, But everyone who ever laid eyes on
Speaker 1: it would always say, I get it. That's an amazing collection.
Speaker 1: Everyone who ever never had someone was being nice to you.
Speaker 1: They're all crazy suckers who are over your house, gonna
Speaker 1: look at this dude collecting animal ship from all over
Speaker 1: the world. Let's just be nice to him and get
Speaker 1: the funk out of here and talk mad shit about
Speaker 1: his ship collection. As soon as we get out, I
Speaker 1: guarantee your friends are driving home. Some motherfucker's got three
Speaker 1: different kinds of rabbit, ship and kitchen and they're just
Speaker 1: driving home, laughing their dicks off, going fucking this. Here's
Speaker 1: grizzly merit. It's got grass in it, like this fucking
Speaker 1: guy's collecting it, packing it in his luggage carefully. He's
Speaker 1: got like bubble wrap around some ship and puts it
Speaker 1: in a bar. The fund is wrong with him. The
Speaker 1: one joke that everyone made, and I can tell your
Speaker 1: professional community you skipped it, was everyone would come look
Speaker 1: and they'd always have to say, like, I'll take a
Speaker 1: ship in there. Everyone would make that joke. The joke
Speaker 1: is something like that. But if you did have hunt
Speaker 1: in there, that would would completely human ship mounted on
Speaker 1: a special like like like a crystal orb so and
Speaker 1: an actual layer of shellac with nuts in it, nuts
Speaker 1: with nuts, and then I would have a sign underneath
Speaker 1: it that said Snickers could be funny Snickers. There wasn't
Speaker 1: a human that was eating McDonald's that's right. That's human ship.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's American human ship. Yeah, what,
Speaker 1: you only collected animals ship? Why don't you pick up
Speaker 1: some dogship from your fucking neighbor's yard while you're at it?
Speaker 1: Because it was because I got it out of the
Speaker 1: litter box. You could see the litter crumbs stuck to it, Athanic,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I did. Because I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I wasn't interested in that. Though. This is from a parakeet,
Speaker 1: this pigeon ship on my car. Now I'm meeting my
Speaker 1: breakfast over it. The funk is wrong with you? Because beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's the most beautiful I can under collection the bones.
Speaker 1: I can understand a lot of things I do not
Speaker 1: understand collecting ship. Well, you don't belong to my club
Speaker 1: having first meeting. Yeah, you're you're a little too deep
Speaker 1: in the animal world, my friend. Well, here's the thing too, though,
Speaker 1: it really uh if one wants to learn how to
Speaker 1: read sign it was a great way to study sign
Speaker 1: reading while you enjoy your coffee in the morning or
Speaker 1: doing commercial breaks. If you're watching too, you could be
Speaker 1: like this guy talked about detergent and I'm gonna brush
Speaker 1: up on my moose. You call it tube? You don't
Speaker 1: say when you're watching the TV, you go Corocier break.
Speaker 1: When you're watching tube. They don't have tubes anymore. They
Speaker 1: having that tubes. Seventies have flat screen like oh not
Speaker 1: in America, in Russia technology. Yeah, they're called the tube.
Speaker 1: Do you have They still have cabinets that they watched
Speaker 1: their TV. Do you have a turntables too? You look
Speaker 1: shopping for a needle? What's your fucking what's your super
Speaker 1: eight collection? Looks like you hear about this, you have
Speaker 1: some real to reels. You hear about something called antibiotics,
Speaker 1: all this crazy stuff. They even have internal combustion engines.
Speaker 1: Get with the times. Get what the fucking time when
Speaker 1: you're watching tube? But I'm drinking pop, I'm drinking staring
Speaker 1: at my ship collection. There it is. I'm smoking my
Speaker 1: jerky for the winter. And then I'm turning butter. My
Speaker 1: girl turn them butter. And it looks like we're gonna
Speaker 1: make it through the winter this time. Look some crows ship. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm getting sick to fight ardia from the
Speaker 1: tent time. I think my trick of nos has killed
Speaker 1: the Jardia. Care about this new thing called toilets? No
Speaker 1: more ship in the pot for me. I'm we're saving
Speaker 1: up for a toilet. Apparently it's water y'all. Don't light
Speaker 1: your toilet paper on fire anyway. Thank you for signing
Speaker 1: in a ship. Oh no, I was thinking about talk
Speaker 1: about something different. It's so funny. By the way, that's
Speaker 1: a ridiculous saymentella, it's an original on the ship. Note
Speaker 1: we all often had more than once. I had clients
Speaker 1: who came from the east. White tailed deer hunters came
Speaker 1: out to do an elk hunt, and they would bust
Speaker 1: out a ziploc bag on you, and you'd see them collecting,
Speaker 1: not because they were gonna play inside their coffee tables,
Speaker 1: but because incense. No incense either if it wasn't good,
Speaker 1: lights on fire. Brotherly uses incense, mouse ship or incense.
Speaker 1: Willow what smells amazing? Man? What? Because they all they
Speaker 1: eat is willows mostly so it's a very willow thing
Speaker 1: that just smolders. But it wasn't good. It smells like
Speaker 1: sweet right you ever had someone burst sweet grass? Mudge?
Speaker 1: No shits good ship? Anybodies you're saying, these guys they
Speaker 1: want to eat. You know what they would do. It
Speaker 1: was for a practical joke on their buddies. So they
Speaker 1: would collect elk droppings are what four or five times
Speaker 1: sides of the average, right, those droppings, So they would
Speaker 1: sneak into their buddies deer stands and then drop this,
Speaker 1: you know, zip on back full of elk shit, you know,
Speaker 1: and then wait for the phone call from his buddy going, dude,
Speaker 1: you won't believe it. There is a monster buck man.
Speaker 1: Their streak rong to my area. This is a common sight.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it wasn't common, but in ten years
Speaker 1: of guiding, I probably saw it half a dozen times.
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't telling him to do it. They
Speaker 1: would just all of a sudden, you know, drink, finish
Speaker 1: their gatorade and start packing their gatorade bottle full of
Speaker 1: elk kords just to pay practically joke. That's hilarious. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe my friend one time was on a bunk bed
Speaker 1: they were touring. He was in a group and he, uh,
Speaker 1: his buddy was hungry, and my friend took a ship
Speaker 1: on top of the bunk bed in a flight and
Speaker 1: then put a plastic fork and knife in and then
Speaker 1: hand it down to his budding said, are you hungry now?
Speaker 1: And I think that at forty seven, the fact that
Speaker 1: I still think that's hilarious is uh, you know, proof
Speaker 1: positive that I really haven't evolved. Just so I'm clear
Speaker 1: on this, he like, did it just to be like
Speaker 1: to disswade his hung Yeah, he just took a She
Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's a paper plate and at four,
Speaker 1: who hasn't done that? I'm gonna ship in that paper
Speaker 1: plate and I'm gonna I haven't. But I'll say this, man,
Speaker 1: as much as I like animal I would say that
Speaker 1: as much as I like animal scat, I hate human
Speaker 1: excrement more than the average person. This is not like
Speaker 1: an excrement thing. I never heard. I don't do. I
Speaker 1: never played like I don't like like you're not even
Speaker 1: ship in other words, yeah, I don't like it German
Speaker 1: ship videos, etcetera. No, I just I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I want to clear that up. I'm just interested in
Speaker 1: animals scat just as a as trade craft as trade craft.
Speaker 1: Has never said anything. Probably I haven't spent atmost time,
Speaker 1: but he's never saying I don't think he's ever saying.
Speaker 1: Really that I didn't find somewhat interesting one way, or
Speaker 1: that you have a lot of interesting things to say.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, sweet you to do smart guy. All right, everyone,
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Speaker 1: especially enjoying it because it's free, and to keep it
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Speaker 1: thank our sponsors. Steve, do you feel sometimes like a
Speaker 1: little alienated in the world of hunting. You're a very
Speaker 1: well read guy, You're very articulate, and the show that
Speaker 1: you have is very different than a lot of the
Speaker 1: other hunting shows. You know, not to put anybody down
Speaker 1: specifically or in particular, but a lot of what hunting
Speaker 1: television is is very low, low vibration. It's very dull,
Speaker 1: it's very obvious. It's like there's a lot of dimwitted
Speaker 1: people out there making hunting shows. And you know, I
Speaker 1: can I've watched them just because I enjoy watching hunting
Speaker 1: um for whatever reason. But there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: shows like yours. You know, there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: shows where you have interesting narration. You're obviously well read,
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're you're you. You're very thoughtful in
Speaker 1: your approach, not just a hunting but in creating a
Speaker 1: hunting show. But that's you know, you're like an island
Speaker 1: in a sea of mediocrity. Yeah, that's a little bit
Speaker 1: hard to speak to you. But I don't. I haven't
Speaker 1: watch I honestly haven't watched a lot of hunting shows,
Speaker 1: you know, And um, so I don't. I never like
Speaker 1: to do a hunting show. I wasn't thinking that I was.
Speaker 1: I never thought of it as a reaction against hunting shows.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is the people that I work with, you,
Speaker 1: you know, I bring like a small like I have
Speaker 1: influence on the show. There's a handful of people that
Speaker 1: have a ton of influence on the show and they
Speaker 1: never watched hunting shows. So I think that it's not
Speaker 1: that it's not that anyone ever said like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a different type of hunting show. I
Speaker 1: think it just really came from scratch that people just said, like,
Speaker 1: what would be a good show, what would be entertaining,
Speaker 1: and it happened that way. Now I'm afraid to watch
Speaker 1: and hunting shows a little bit because I have this
Speaker 1: thing you hear about, you know, I think it's the
Speaker 1: express The term doesn't make sense to me, but anxiety
Speaker 1: of influence. This is something people say where I have
Speaker 1: a hard time reading contemporary writers writing about the subjects
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in because I'm so worried about losing
Speaker 1: track of what was my I'm worried about losing track
Speaker 1: of my worldview and having to be over the influence
Speaker 1: by other people's worldviews stand up, Like, I'm really careful
Speaker 1: about listening to a lot of stand up because stuff
Speaker 1: can creep in. Yeah, there's a lot of people Norton
Speaker 1: won't watch any stand up. Yeah I understand that. I'm
Speaker 1: the same way. I won't very rarely watch even But
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody's influenced, You're, you're, We're all influenced
Speaker 1: by the people that came before us, and I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about losing my authenticity. What do you feel like
Speaker 1: all you did all day was like, let's say, okay,
Speaker 1: you're like you're very successful, like just amazing. Let's say
Speaker 1: all you did all day was watch other commentators, Well
Speaker 1: that's comment on UFC. Do you feel like comment on
Speaker 1: fighting and you're like, I want to learn how to
Speaker 1: comment on fighting, so I should study all the fighting
Speaker 1: commentators or do you feel like that would be that
Speaker 1: would open you up to mimicry, which would fail. No. See,
Speaker 1: that's it's a different sort of a situation because there
Speaker 1: wasn't really that many people that did it before me.
Speaker 1: So with my style of commentary is very different than
Speaker 1: any other sport because I didn't really have it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a couple of guys that had done it
Speaker 1: before me, but not much. And you know they, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't have the amount of time in it that
Speaker 1: I do. So I've been doing it for so long,
Speaker 1: and I've been doing commentary for the UFC since two
Speaker 1: thousand two. I started That's when I started doing the commentary.
Speaker 1: But I started doing post fight interviews for the UFC
Speaker 1: in nineties seven, so the sport was in its infancy
Speaker 1: and I came along. When there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that imitate me. For sure, they sound exactly like me,
Speaker 1: But I don't mind. I consider it like a form
Speaker 1: of flattery, I guess, but it's also, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it the right I don't know, I guess
Speaker 1: the right way. I mean, is there a right way?
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a right way. But will
Speaker 1: you take yourself completely out of it. It's not like
Speaker 1: a lot of guys doing It's not like basketball. It's
Speaker 1: like twenty guys doing commentary like this, only like, here's
Speaker 1: a guy named Jimmy Smith, he does bellator. There's a
Speaker 1: couple other guys out there that do commentary. It's very
Speaker 1: few boss routing, very few guys are doing it. So
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that, you know. I
Speaker 1: had the thing happened to me like when as a writer,
Speaker 1: when I when I was starting and writing, when I
Speaker 1: was in graduate school, I read what I consider be
Speaker 1: the greats, you know, the great nonfiction Writer's, a great
Speaker 1: narrative nonfictionary, and then I got where I I understood
Speaker 1: how that kind of how those stories work and how
Speaker 1: you put a book together. Then I just really turned
Speaker 1: my attention to my own projects that I wanted to
Speaker 1: write about and just read source material, primary source material,
Speaker 1: you know, so not so reading scientific journals, you know,
Speaker 1: academic stuff, historical accounts, historical journals, and just pulling from
Speaker 1: that things that hadn't been interpreted by anybody yet, or
Speaker 1: they've been interpreted by many people, but I wasn't reading
Speaker 1: it through the lens of another person like me, and
Speaker 1: I and the first book I wanted to write. I
Speaker 1: wanted to write a book about the Great Lakes, Okay,
Speaker 1: where I grew up. So I spent about a year.
Speaker 1: I moved from Montana back to the Great Legs. My
Speaker 1: dad had just died. I took his truck, rigged it
Speaker 1: up for camping and just drove around, camping all around
Speaker 1: the Great Legs and reading source material. And I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna read anything that any contemporary person wrote about the
Speaker 1: Great Lakes. And I built up a bunch of things
Speaker 1: that I that I found out about the Great Lakes
Speaker 1: that I had never heard anybody say. I've never read it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this will be this could be
Speaker 1: a great book. One of the things I found out
Speaker 1: was that this guy one time bought a bunch of
Speaker 1: animals from a zudos closing, down loaded him on a barge,
Speaker 1: and charged hundreds of people a dollar apiece to watch
Speaker 1: him send the barge of animals over Niagara Falls. Yeah
Speaker 1: so their death, Okay, So I was like, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing I found out about that I read
Speaker 1: about the Great Lakes is that when after Joseph Smith
Speaker 1: was killed in Illinois, the Great you know, the Mormon
Speaker 1: founder he was killing in Illinois, and there was a
Speaker 1: power struggle between Brigham Young, who wanted to go out
Speaker 1: of Salt Lake City took his fathers out of Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, and a guy named James Strange who had
Speaker 1: just a handful of followers and took his followers up
Speaker 1: to an island in Lake Michigan called Beaver Island, declared
Speaker 1: it an independent state, and started to resort to piracy
Speaker 1: what he felt was him collecting taxation owed to his
Speaker 1: sovereign nation for people transporting goods around Lake Michigan. And
Speaker 1: then he was later shot to death by his own followers.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm gonna write a book that's gonna
Speaker 1: have all this stuff, and then no one knows about.
Speaker 1: And then one day this book comes out called No
Speaker 1: This book comes out called the Great Lakes, and the
Speaker 1: author's first name was a guy named Jerry. And I
Speaker 1: read the book and it had in there the handful
Speaker 1: of things that I thought I held on too. Okay,
Speaker 1: with all the respect this guy, I don't think it was.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a great book. I called a
Speaker 1: friend of mine and was complaining about it, and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't think of one good book ever
Speaker 1: written by a guy named Jerry, but which is a
Speaker 1: little bit funny. So it was the book. I quit
Speaker 1: my project. I stopped doing it. I didn't write the book.
Speaker 1: I moved act in Montana, completely depressed as a writer,
Speaker 1: completely defeated. Because I allowed myself to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: someone else found these things out, even though he didn't
Speaker 1: handle it the way I would have handled it. It
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't do it anymore. And from then on,
Speaker 1: I've been much more careful about um, much more careful
Speaker 1: about what I allowed to come into my head, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's for me just as a person who likes
Speaker 1: to create material. UM, I have like a certain sensitivities man,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and so that's one thing like
Speaker 1: I try not to I watched a lot of TV,
Speaker 1: but I don't watch any TV that would have anything
Speaker 1: do anything I would ever be involved with, which makes
Speaker 1: me a lot of ways really behind the times. But
Speaker 1: it's just like a defense mechanism, you know. Hunter Thompson,
Speaker 1: when he was learning how to write, would write The
Speaker 1: Great Gatsby. He would literally write it word for word
Speaker 1: to get the rhythm, the music of the language. Like
Speaker 1: he would like you write the entire book. So I've
Speaker 1: read that and thought about doing it many times because
Speaker 1: there's some things like there's some passages that you just
Speaker 1: can't imagine that someone ever wrote, and I can see
Speaker 1: that it's be like almost therapeutic to do it. But
Speaker 1: I don't think of that like they're, you know, like
Speaker 1: twentieth century writers. I don't think of it as a
Speaker 1: contemporary writer. For me, it'd be something I guess like
Speaker 1: stuff that's been written in the last ten twenty years
Speaker 1: is very difficult for me to read, unless it's if
Speaker 1: it has something to do with what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: unless it's by like an anthropologist or something someone who's
Speaker 1: not who's not a professional act translating information and turning
Speaker 1: it into entertainment and turning it into Yeah, people who
Speaker 1: are skilled at taking technical information and making it entertaining,
Speaker 1: I'm very afraid of. It's probably it's probably what people
Speaker 1: technical information and turning it into entertainment, like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: afraid of. It's almost like it's artical novelists. You're not
Speaker 1: going to get the real history necessarily, even though they
Speaker 1: can they can touch on the history of a subject
Speaker 1: like if you read me on yours or someone like that,
Speaker 1: great writer. But if you if you want to read
Speaker 1: the history of like say, the Founding of Israel, which
Speaker 1: he wrote, which is what Exodus is about, you don't
Speaker 1: want to draw your historical knowledge from that book. But
Speaker 1: that's not what he's saying. He's worried about his influence.
Speaker 1: You checked out. You weren't even paying I was. I
Speaker 1: was listening. I was listening. I know what he does.
Speaker 1: He gets a d D on you and he val
Speaker 1: and you want to tell you about a book that
Speaker 1: he read so he can name drop the title. I
Speaker 1: hear what he's saying. But he said it's based on
Speaker 1: some ancient knowledge. No, but he said, he said technical
Speaker 1: information into um. I just told you when you forgot
Speaker 1: you weren't paying attention. You funk. I caught you. I
Speaker 1: know what the funk happened. I've been following the No no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. You were not listening to what he was saying.
Speaker 1: You were totally taking out of context. You know exactly
Speaker 1: what you were just doing. I wasn't. I wasn't busted.
Speaker 1: What was he saying? What was he talking about? Just
Speaker 1: before that? He's very careful about what gets into his
Speaker 1: head in other words, in other words, after the experience
Speaker 1: of the Great Legs and writing that book, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: when you read the book that wasn't good by the
Speaker 1: guy and he came back, you roll the present. He's
Speaker 1: scrambled right now. Look at him doing it. I was
Speaker 1: following it because it's kind of relevant to the struggle
Speaker 1: you have when you try to be a writer or
Speaker 1: a stand up comic or whatever. It's the same issue
Speaker 1: where you have to become very guarded about influence and
Speaker 1: also in a way what you think about. That's what
Speaker 1: I thought. It was really interesting. That's what I thought
Speaker 1: what you said was really interesting because I think it's
Speaker 1: very relevant. People through sort of sort of little know.
Speaker 1: You can tell I'm listening when I'm not saying it.
Speaker 1: He pulled through because I pull through because I said something. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was heart You're usually right, but this time I
Speaker 1: was actually falling. Do you feeling standard? Can? Do you
Speaker 1: watch a lot of standard? I love stand up comedy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of stand up com Do you
Speaker 1: ever find yourself saying like or not? Do you ever
Speaker 1: catch yourself adopting someone else's methods? No? No, but because
Speaker 1: I've been doing it so long. But when I first
Speaker 1: started out, yeah, definitely, when I was when I was young,
Speaker 1: I was an open micro. I would catch myself sounding
Speaker 1: exactly like certain comedians. I remember one time I was
Speaker 1: on stage and I heard myself sounding exactly like this guy.
Speaker 1: Richard Jenny, who was a very funny comic that a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about, committed suicide a few
Speaker 1: years back. And uh, she just was very depressed for
Speaker 1: a bunch of different reasons. But I think one of
Speaker 1: his reasons for besides clinical depression, was that he just
Speaker 1: was never recognized for the great comic that he was.
Speaker 1: Like in the nineteen eighties, he was one of the
Speaker 1: best comics alive for like a few years, really funny guy.
Speaker 1: And I caught him then when I was first starting out,
Speaker 1: like like around that's I started out in eighty eight
Speaker 1: and he was just a monster back then, and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, history didn't didn't recognize him. Is great as
Speaker 1: he was so much of comedy's rhythm to like, I
Speaker 1: have to be careful if I'm going to perform and
Speaker 1: somebody has a rhythm. I really liked davidof has a
Speaker 1: specific rhythm I really like, so I can't watch him
Speaker 1: because I'll fall into that rhythm. I know famous comedians
Speaker 1: who won't I won't say who, who have been directly
Speaker 1: influenced by you, or really well known comedians do really
Speaker 1: well and they do like they'll do the girl. When
Speaker 1: you do a girl like exactly like you, it's not
Speaker 1: so much their fault. They obviously we're looking up to
Speaker 1: you when they were younger, and now they're doing it,
Speaker 1: and it's just an interesting You gotta kind of you
Speaker 1: gotta be aware that what I get paranoid about is
Speaker 1: being so influenced by a bit that it will find
Speaker 1: its way into my stuff. So I don't. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I did a thing about bees and cars and yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and Justin Kenny had done something really funny
Speaker 1: ones and I came said, hey, dude, you so you
Speaker 1: know I'm doing anything. I'm bes and cars, but it's different.
Speaker 1: And I went through what I was doing and I
Speaker 1: realized I had been way more influenced than I thought,
Speaker 1: and I said, I stop doing that, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's just it's weird when you take a guy on
Speaker 1: the road with you and then they open up for you,
Speaker 1: and then they start doing you. That's strange. I've had
Speaker 1: to stop taking guys with me, having to stop working
Speaker 1: with guys because they're like they're basically doing me before
Speaker 1: I do me. That's weird because like young guys and
Speaker 1: they're starting out, especially like they're really super easily influenced
Speaker 1: and they want to be successful and so they're kind
Speaker 1: of struggling a little bit and they see you go
Speaker 1: on and kill it, and then they're like, funk, I
Speaker 1: gotta do what he's doing. And so they start doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And then they start adopting subject matter,
Speaker 1: and that's when it becomes problematic because they start stepping
Speaker 1: on some of your material. Like if you're doing like
Speaker 1: even obscure jokes, you know, doing a joke about a
Speaker 1: jet boil canister, they'll start talking about jet boils. It's
Speaker 1: a real problem. And sometimes they do it on purpose.
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys do it, especially guys who are like spiteful.
Speaker 1: They do it because they want to sort of mess
Speaker 1: up your punch line, so they take out the surprise
Speaker 1: element of your subject matter. They'll it's called stepping on
Speaker 1: your material. That's what everybody calls it. So like they'll
Speaker 1: like say, if you have a joke about King Kong,
Speaker 1: they'll do they'll talk about King Kong before you do
Speaker 1: your joke about King Kong, purposely to try to tank
Speaker 1: your material, knowing that you're gonna know that that's doing
Speaker 1: on purpose. They're doing it on purpose. That's just a
Speaker 1: weird thing about How is that not just like sabotage.
Speaker 1: How's it not like cutting off your dick despite your balls? Man, Well,
Speaker 1: they're they're just being they're just sabotaging themselves because you're there,
Speaker 1: they're opening for you. Yeah, it doesn't matter. They're they're
Speaker 1: in the moment. When they're in the moment on stage,
Speaker 1: all they care about is trying to mess up your set.
Speaker 1: Like just there's some guys that are influenced, and there's
Speaker 1: some guys that are doing it on purpose. They influence guys.
Speaker 1: It's a problem, but it's not as big as a
Speaker 1: problem as the saboteurs, the guys who are trying to
Speaker 1: sabotage your sets. Like That's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I always take people on the road with me, because
Speaker 1: if you show up in a town and there's like
Speaker 1: local acts, like local acts are the worst. Like you're
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh for instance, and some fucking guys opening for you,
Speaker 1: and he goes on the first night, he does his material,
Speaker 1: then you your material, and in the next night he
Speaker 1: does a bunch of subjects of the same subjects as you.
Speaker 1: And you can tell these are like loosely pieced together
Speaker 1: bits and he probably constructed last night just to try
Speaker 1: to funk with your act man. Yeah, just because yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're fucking jealous. You know, they're like good good.
Speaker 1: That's one thing that you'll see all the time in
Speaker 1: young comics. Young comics. There's some comics who were leving
Speaker 1: like reverence for comics that have been around a while,
Speaker 1: and there's some comics that are the opposite. They're like
Speaker 1: that guy is not even that good. That guy sucks
Speaker 1: that guy, And those the guys you have to watch
Speaker 1: out for because those guys a lot of times are
Speaker 1: delusional and they will try to sabotage your act. You
Speaker 1: know what, Like mimicry is tough because it's probably ones.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so many things, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you said, like a jet boil is
Speaker 1: pretty specific, but I imagine it's you can always claim it.
Speaker 1: It's like a joke about a guy and a girl
Speaker 1: getting a fight in a car. You know, it's playing like, well,
Speaker 1: how can you claim to home that. I remember when
Speaker 1: we started out, when we started making and Wild. Then
Speaker 1: right away we had this guy who was really pushing,
Speaker 1: very aggressive for a while, that he had had his
Speaker 1: ideas stolen because he had done this thing where he
Speaker 1: goes down to a river bank and they catch a fish,
Speaker 1: and he's got a table and a white tablecloth and
Speaker 1: stemwear and stuff on it, and then he proceeds to
Speaker 1: cook this fish and serve it like fine dining style
Speaker 1: on a gravel bar. It was just adamant that somehow
Speaker 1: we had stole his ideaous It's like helmet, you had
Speaker 1: the I you patented, so to speak, the idea of
Speaker 1: catching something and eating it you get, you get scripts
Speaker 1: had it. Somebody sent me a script, and then another
Speaker 1: guy sent me a treatment, and both of them with
Speaker 1: it came a form I had to sign, an anti
Speaker 1: plagiarism format, said him. I go, guys number one, here
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One is ideas or a diamond
Speaker 1: doesn't any idea thought people thought of. It's a question
Speaker 1: the execution of the idea, which is a whole Another thing.
Speaker 1: A second of all, that's very amateurish. The idea that
Speaker 1: you know, I'm protecting it with this document and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Well that's but first of all, before you
Speaker 1: see you further, I know dudes who have been ripped off.
Speaker 1: I know guys. I know a guy who fucking sent
Speaker 1: a script to Servester Stallan's company. They ed no go
Speaker 1: ahead because the guy eventually had to get credited for it.
Speaker 1: He sued and gotten one. They made the movie, and
Speaker 1: then after they made the movie, he won the case
Speaker 1: that they had to put him in as the writer ship.
Speaker 1: Did you get good money? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something that happens on a regular basis. They would
Speaker 1: rather you fight them in court. They take your idea
Speaker 1: and if they win, they don't have to pay you,
Speaker 1: and if they lose. It's it's common. It's common. It's
Speaker 1: common that you would bring a script to a production
Speaker 1: company or a big actor and it's a part of
Speaker 1: the business. Or you just sheel your premise and they
Speaker 1: just rework. It happens all the time. You can show premises. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can pitch your show to a network and then
Speaker 1: there they're coming up of their own version of it,
Speaker 1: and ideas moved so much from the point of intent
Speaker 1: to what you actually wind up with that it probably
Speaker 1: after a while you probably feel like, if you're the steeler,
Speaker 1: you probably get the feeling like we've taken it so
Speaker 1: far now that it has nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: original idea. But then one could turn around and steel
Speaker 1: it yet. But that was the foundation, man like that
Speaker 1: set you into an act of building on and creating.
Speaker 1: So in some way you still owe me even though
Speaker 1: your stuff I made a you wound up with I,
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't have gotten to I without my a.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things that that that lawyer isn't
Speaker 1: always to deal with is exactly that where somebody have
Speaker 1: an idea, then they get together somebody else as a producer,
Speaker 1: then they hire a writer who has a track record.
Speaker 1: Now the writer and the producer take it and it
Speaker 1: becomes a completely different animal. But the guy who's originated
Speaker 1: not only the connection between the two and the whole
Speaker 1: idea is left out because he's not really that relevant
Speaker 1: anymore because and then they changed its idle love it
Speaker 1: and then he gets cut out completely. You know, they
Speaker 1: they're always there's always that possibility. It's a big possibility
Speaker 1: in a movie like that. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: I can say it, but lord, yeah, And and what
Speaker 1: happened was that the original writer, when I put the
Speaker 1: writer and director, my friend and the director together, they
Speaker 1: just took it and went completely different. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not a word that was originally written about it in
Speaker 1: there really, besides maybe I think the character names or something.
Speaker 1: But he got credit. It went to arbitration and zag
Speaker 1: the screenwriter's guild gave him credit. Yeah, it does happen.
Speaker 1: It does happen. You know, it's it's it's tricky. You know,
Speaker 1: plagiarism is dirty businessman, and it's it's common. But they
Speaker 1: also influence, like just accidental influence is common as well.
Speaker 1: You know that that does happen. Very'm not sure, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted there's a point I wanted to make. When
Speaker 1: you're talking about stand up, it really has not to
Speaker 1: do with people stealing people's ideas. But I think one
Speaker 1: thing that releases that's your comedy, apart from a lot
Speaker 1: of comedians I've seen, is um, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: explain it to cult people at various times that so
Speaker 1: many comics have a thing where their position is self loathing.
Speaker 1: Like that they're humors based on sort of a self loathing.
Speaker 1: They turn self loathing into humor. And one thing that's
Speaker 1: is kind of remarkable about your stuff is that, like
Speaker 1: somehow you have comedy that comes from a position of strength,
Speaker 1: which is difficult. Probably like you don't You're not up
Speaker 1: there putting yourself like here I am this miserable, sad sack,
Speaker 1: you know, which is great funny stuff. And a lot
Speaker 1: of the communities I like, like I think, like like
Speaker 1: Louis c. K is a lot of like I loathe myself,
Speaker 1: you know, Norm McDonald like a lot of his funny
Speaker 1: stuff is like I loathe myself. I'm the punch line.
Speaker 1: But you have like you're you're able to like make
Speaker 1: comedy from another like a from a person, like as
Speaker 1: a person who obviously doesn't loathe themselves, you're still able
Speaker 1: to be funny when it seems like that's a very
Speaker 1: quick avenue to humor. Yeah, but this is humor. There's
Speaker 1: so many avenues to humor. It's humor is just here's
Speaker 1: the world through my eyes. If you really think things
Speaker 1: are funny, you could figure out a way to translate
Speaker 1: that to an audience, and when someone is sitting there
Speaker 1: watching you, what comedy really is is like a form
Speaker 1: of mass hypnosis. It's like you tune those people into
Speaker 1: what you think is funny, and if it works, everyone's
Speaker 1: laughing along with you. But if you lose the script
Speaker 1: at all, if you lose the feeling, or if you're
Speaker 1: saying things that you don't have any attachment to do,
Speaker 1: they fucking smell it. Man, They're animals. They're like, there's
Speaker 1: something wrong. The words are coming out correctly, the punch
Speaker 1: lines are delivered with the right amount of pause. But
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it, and they don't buy it. But
Speaker 1: if it's what you think is funny, it's all like
Speaker 1: if you genuinely think something's funny, and you can figure
Speaker 1: out a way to to concoct the words and arctick
Speaker 1: reulate the ideas, you know, there's no real there's no
Speaker 1: real like pattern that every comic comes still follows. But
Speaker 1: a lot of comedy comes from a point of of
Speaker 1: real serious insecurity. That's where a lot of comedians come.
Speaker 1: My trouble with girls, my wife, yeah, my trouble with
Speaker 1: my physical appearance, yeah yeah, And then people can relate
Speaker 1: to that because also people like the person on stage
Speaker 1: who's demanding all their attention and time. They like that
Speaker 1: person to kind of be a loser so that they
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about them not being the person that's
Speaker 1: getting all the attention, especially men on dates. Men on
Speaker 1: dates do not like like a handsome, good looking guy
Speaker 1: delivering me, like a Chris d'eliah type character on stage
Speaker 1: or what was his name? No, not that, what's the
Speaker 1: guy who went on stage? They's almost too good looking,
Speaker 1: went on stage with Dane Cook all the time, and
Speaker 1: the tourgasm. Gary Goldman. Gary Goldman is like six two
Speaker 1: six three huge, six six six okay, handsome, it's fuck
Speaker 1: perfect sculptured features and you know, just nobody wants to
Speaker 1: see that. Man. That's a good point. Man, I ever
Speaker 1: thought of that. You take your take your lady out
Speaker 1: and she's like, wow, this guy's amazing. Yeah, beautiful, fucking giant,
Speaker 1: handsome man. Yeah, it's better like a guy up they're
Speaker 1: a big fag out of there, talk about how he
Speaker 1: can't get a hard, bald, fucking shitty sneakers on. That's
Speaker 1: what I want to see, some loser that my wife
Speaker 1: has no interest in fucking if you are going to
Speaker 1: make like like if you're if you're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: being good, look at all you gotta you gotta kind
Speaker 1: of be like every man like me, Well, like I'll
Speaker 1: pick up a stool. You were just telling us yesterday
Speaker 1: how objectively you're the best looking man. I am, but
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I perform with a shirt on in
Speaker 1: this party, this group right here. You're saying, I think
Speaker 1: I probably if you had like Nassy come in and say, like,
Speaker 1: who's the best looking man has the best physical harmony
Speaker 1: and everything? He thinks that it's him. I don't know
Speaker 1: what he thinks that n that women more women will
Speaker 1: want to breed with Janice, even though Joanna isn't the
Speaker 1: best harmony person. Honest, the best looking guy. Look at
Speaker 1: his Look at his legs. He's got legs for days,
Speaker 1: He's got he's got beautiful hair. It's graying slightly, but
Speaker 1: it's mostly blonde. So that's kid. This thing is that
Speaker 1: he will actually think about that. Am I the guy
Speaker 1: in this room that a woman who wandered in would
Speaker 1: want to fuck like? He really liked wonder. That's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: he really does wonder. That's a ridiculous thing. Do you
Speaker 1: think that you've like concocted your humor as a response
Speaker 1: to trying to make women as happy as possible with
Speaker 1: H my my, I thank god. Sometimes I really spend
Speaker 1: an inordinate amount of time you did forty seven. It's
Speaker 1: funny wishing I was. I. Look, that's the difference you
Speaker 1: me and you, me and you my My humor is
Speaker 1: once the one guy works so hard to get the
Speaker 1: girl and then they go off. I make fun of
Speaker 1: those fus. Yeah, I get everybody else together and go
Speaker 1: check this ship out like this fucking dummy. Good good
Speaker 1: luck with the rest of your life with her. You've
Speaker 1: been fucking painting an act together, slopping together some bullshit
Speaker 1: more in her own personality. For me, it's more than
Speaker 1: women though. For me, it's more like the idea of everybody,
Speaker 1: like like, I've been thinking about the fact, you know,
Speaker 1: just just bone density or just like to I want
Speaker 1: to be Does that mean sink faster than first time?
Speaker 1: You have more scaffolding for muscle, and I want to
Speaker 1: be part of me dies every day. Bone density means
Speaker 1: it would sink faster than what actually means the thickness
Speaker 1: of the bones, the bones like that, how much marrow
Speaker 1: there is, so that how how thick the bones are themselves.
Speaker 1: You can actually change your bone density with heavy weightlifting,
Speaker 1: but actually have more first with high bone density, a
Speaker 1: graham of their bone ways heavier than So it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean like how big it is, just how density. Here's
Speaker 1: where the miss conception comes from, the variables. It's very slight.
Speaker 1: It's very slight. Human bones don't weigh much at all,
Speaker 1: like your entire Yeah, your entire skeleton is like you know,
Speaker 1: between like six and eight pounds. Yes, And the variable
Speaker 1: the variation between a full grown woman and a full
Speaker 1: grown man not that much. Most of it is muscle
Speaker 1: and tendons and organs and all that stuff. That's where
Speaker 1: most of your weight comes from. But there is a
Speaker 1: difference in bone density and more importantly in bone structure.
Speaker 1: Because like, bone density is one thing, but a narrow
Speaker 1: guy like Callen will never be a wide guy will
Speaker 1: never be thick. Like, there's no way you can change that.
Speaker 1: You can't change the structure of the body. You can
Speaker 1: change the density, Like I could never be a thick neck, right,
Speaker 1: I could maybe be a hothead, but every thing, well,
Speaker 1: you could get your neck could get definitely get thicker,
Speaker 1: but you never get broad shoulders. The only way you
Speaker 1: would do that is, you know, you'd have to change
Speaker 1: your genetics somehow or another, which it is not outside
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility. And there's something they're working on
Speaker 1: a daily basis. They're constantly fucking with the human body
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out new ways that they can,
Speaker 1: you know, influence genes and change this and alter that.
Speaker 1: And without a doubt, within our lifetimes, we're gonna see
Speaker 1: genetically modified human beings that all look like fucking hercules.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna happen if we stay alive for
Speaker 1: another fifty sixty years, I am indus, if we stay
Speaker 1: alive until we're like in our nineties, we will probably
Speaker 1: see some fucking freak human beings that look like the
Speaker 1: Hulk like people that exist, or seven foot tall people
Speaker 1: that are five hundred pounds that can jump over buildings.
Speaker 1: It's on the way. They've already figured out a thing
Speaker 1: called milestaton inhibitors. They figured out how to alter these
Speaker 1: and mice they happen in naturally, and when they breed
Speaker 1: whippets types of dog cows, it happens in cows too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of legal hurdles of this stuffs open.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. It's people are working with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there will be legal hurdles as far as like competition
Speaker 1: in the Olympics and things along those lines, but as
Speaker 1: far as like human beings altering their body for for
Speaker 1: a positive benefit. You mean post birth milestanton inhibitors. When
Speaker 1: they get these mice, the mice have twice as much
Speaker 1: muscle and live longer. They live longer, They could fucking
Speaker 1: run for days. They can do all kinds of crazy
Speaker 1: ship that other mice can't. They're super mice, and they
Speaker 1: figured out how to do this. They've altered the genes
Speaker 1: in the mice to make them do that. It's a
Speaker 1: matter of time before they start doing that with humans.
Speaker 1: A matter of a decade, two decades, whatever it is
Speaker 1: before they figure out how to really tap into that.
Speaker 1: But the people that you see today, you know, natural
Speaker 1: people to just exist. Because Bob and Sally got together
Speaker 1: and had a kid, those are gone. Those they won't
Speaker 1: be here a hundred years from now or two hundred
Speaker 1: years from now. There will be you know, we will
Speaker 1: live in a world with superheroes, and it will be
Speaker 1: just like cell phones, where when cell phones first came out,
Speaker 1: it was only the wealthy they could afford them. It
Speaker 1: was like on Wall Street, see Michael Douglas got that
Speaker 1: stupid brick to his head and walking around like it's
Speaker 1: a status symbol and rap videos. Well, now you can
Speaker 1: go to the jum goal and you'll see people with little,
Speaker 1: tiny ass cell phones. Everybody has a fucking phone now.
Speaker 1: It's because as technology grows, as it exponentially gets more
Speaker 1: and more complex, and as innovation continues, you're seeing access
Speaker 1: to this technology slowly start to trickle down to the
Speaker 1: average every day folks. You're gonna see that with genetic engineering,
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a thing. You wonder what what'll do,
Speaker 1: what it'll do to artistic expression, But you wonder what
Speaker 1: it does to artistic expression because I was gonna say that,
Speaker 1: Thank God, I do have those longings to be somebody else,
Speaker 1: because all my humor comes from the fact that I
Speaker 1: am compensating for you know, yeah, I got a great jawline,
Speaker 1: and my eyes are hypnotic. I'm gonna stretch. Um. My
Speaker 1: brother once observed that if a woman says, oh, he's funny.
Speaker 1: She likes Yeah, she's attracted to him, and she says
Speaker 1: he's nice. You know, yeah, it's pretty true. Man like that,
Speaker 1: who's the guy? He's funny? That means she wants to
Speaker 1: go out with the women have a hard time creating
Speaker 1: humor for the most part. It's obviously some very funny women,
Speaker 1: very funny women comedians. But Christopher Hitchins had this really
Speaker 1: interesting take on it, and he wrote an article I
Speaker 1: think it was a g Q. Who was that article
Speaker 1: in one of the one of the magazines Esquire? Maybe
Speaker 1: he wrote an article Vanity Fair. I think it was
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair. He wrote an article about women aren't funny
Speaker 1: and women freaked the funk out butzine. But his take
Speaker 1: was that it's not that there aren't certain examples. Don't
Speaker 1: let him hold the mike, Jesus Christ. It's not that
Speaker 1: it wasn't that there aren't the rare aberrations of very
Speaker 1: funny women. But for the most part, the funny women
Speaker 1: were very butchy, very dykey, very large and big, and
Speaker 1: their humor was mostly male. It was male oriented humor.
Speaker 1: And that he wrote, yes, yes, not only did he
Speaker 1: write it, but he defended it when criticized in this video.
Speaker 1: It was brilliant. It was amazing. Yeah, because he was saying, like,
Speaker 1: it's not that there aren't Sarah Silverman's or or was
Speaker 1: she on the cover? Was she sort of like the
Speaker 1: cover for this piece. Yeah, I believe like they're trying
Speaker 1: to run around the criticism by by coming up with
Speaker 1: the one aberration. But a lot of women also there
Speaker 1: that are funny, or they're funny on a curve, they're
Speaker 1: judged on a curve. It's like, compare them to like Kinderson.
Speaker 1: There's no woman it's ever been as funny as Kinderson.
Speaker 1: It's like Roseanne Barrs in my opinion, one of the
Speaker 1: all time great comedians, and I put her up there
Speaker 1: in the top ten all time greats male and female.
Speaker 1: But she was fat and loud and fut cam shut
Speaker 1: Apps set the funk down. That was her thing. Man.
Speaker 1: She wasn't feminine in any way, shape or form. There
Speaker 1: was nothing dainty. And in his analysis or his his
Speaker 1: take on it, it was like, no, she's doing male humor.
Speaker 1: She's not behaving like your stereotypical female. She's behaving like
Speaker 1: a man. She's doing a man's version of He was
Speaker 1: a bold. There's a book, a fantastic book about human
Speaker 1: genetics and human evolution called Loan Survivors. So it came
Speaker 1: out a weirdly. It came out just before the book
Speaker 1: Loan Survivor, But Loan Survivors about why are you? Why
Speaker 1: are we the only humans on Earth? So like what
Speaker 1: happened to all the other you know, because at times
Speaker 1: you had many human forms all running around at the
Speaker 1: same time, sometimes on the same continent, like when Neanderthals
Speaker 1: and humans were coexisting in Europe. Lon Survivors And there's
Speaker 1: a couple of points in his book when he's talking
Speaker 1: about human migrations and other things, there's a cold point
Speaker 1: of this book. He would say, basically, there are a
Speaker 1: lot more interesting things I could tell you about, but
Speaker 1: it's career suicide to discuss these things. He just won't
Speaker 1: say it. He won't say things about like when he's
Speaker 1: talking about what forms like just like distribution of certain
Speaker 1: gene types and stuff. He's like his career suicide to
Speaker 1: discuss that, I won't discuss it. That's what Stephen Pinker.
Speaker 1: That's what Stephen Pinker writes about in in the Blank Slate.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you as an academic come up with
Speaker 1: ideas that suggests that people are born differently physiologically and
Speaker 1: especially mentally. Good luck because he was just physiology and
Speaker 1: he was afraid to say it and exactly and and
Speaker 1: there are people now that are tackling that because the
Speaker 1: science is so overwhelming. On the other side, I mean
Speaker 1: David Epstein's book Um Um The Sports Chain, I mean,
Speaker 1: he makes a clear case that if you are you're
Speaker 1: not sprinting. And you could never said this before, but
Speaker 1: the evidence that you're not sprinting in the World Championships
Speaker 1: with the Olympics and a hundred or two hundreds or
Speaker 1: at least a hundred if if you are not, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You're not meddling. You're not meddling people in the past
Speaker 1: twenty years unless you are of West African descent and
Speaker 1: a specific areas that that could be sited racist. Not
Speaker 1: only that, but you're talking about a good thing right
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy, Like you say all black guys have
Speaker 1: big dicks. You're a racist. Isn't that a good thing?
Speaker 1: I have a big dick? Like what am I? If
Speaker 1: I was saying all black dicks taste like fucking turpentine,
Speaker 1: then that would probably be racist, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I'm saying it's a good thing. But
Speaker 1: he was a Nebraska coach or whoever who said we
Speaker 1: we don't have enough speed in our team. And he said,
Speaker 1: we gotta start getting some black backs on this team.
Speaker 1: Black guys. Yeah, yeah, And there was a huge uproar.
Speaker 1: They asked him, what do you need to change it?
Speaker 1: As well? You need to get some more black players, right,
Speaker 1: and guess what they looked at they looked at They
Speaker 1: looked at all the top running backs and defensive backs
Speaker 1: in the NFL and and d one ball. Guess what
Speaker 1: they were they were? They were primarily black? Right now,
Speaker 1: How is that racist? Just when you're talking about something good? Right,
Speaker 1: the same way, the same way that the majority of
Speaker 1: world champion Uh, because it reinforced is like an impression.
Speaker 1: I think it reinforces an impression. No, the idea that
Speaker 1: they're better athletes, well more more more, I think some
Speaker 1: people aren't comfortable about that because it trivializes other attributes,
Speaker 1: because it's more important, more import than that would say.
Speaker 1: It goes against the Marxist ideal ideology, the terms that
Speaker 1: we all start as equal, that that some people are
Speaker 1: born different and with advantages. It what it does, it
Speaker 1: highlights the fact that inequality exists in nature, even among people.
Speaker 1: That is a very touchy subject because it was used
Speaker 1: by the Nazis and other people to justify the destruction, subjugation, enslavement,
Speaker 1: etcetera of people. You're Jewish, therefore you are of inferior blood.
Speaker 1: It goes back to kings and queens. You were you
Speaker 1: were only allowed to breed with a note with someone
Speaker 1: of noble blood. But why when you're talking about superior
Speaker 1: attributes is it racist? It's not unless you you were
Speaker 1: in a board meeting for your company and you're like,
Speaker 1: let's name the ten greatest inventions of the last hundred years.
Speaker 1: And then then people rattle off like what they from
Speaker 1: their perspective, what they regard to be the ten greatest inventions.
Speaker 1: So they got like the computer, you know, the microchip
Speaker 1: or whatever you got car who came up with all that? Way, guys,
Speaker 1: what this company needs. I can't help it. It's just true,
Speaker 1: this company needs some white guys. Well, why would be like,
Speaker 1: you're why would that be racist? Where I can tell
Speaker 1: you what, but why why would it be racist? If
Speaker 1: it was a fact but it's not a fact. In
Speaker 1: other words, that's what you're talking about, one very specific thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know who's created what or invented what. But
Speaker 1: if you're talking about some specific facts and you're talking
Speaker 1: about you know, okay, here's a perfect example. How many
Speaker 1: European Jews have won Nobel Prizes? A fucking half half.
Speaker 1: So if you said, you know, hey, our university wants
Speaker 1: to in a Nobel Prize, I want to get one
Speaker 1: of our professors. What do we need to do? We
Speaker 1: need to get some European Jews on staff. Is that stereotypical?
Speaker 1: Or is that? Is that? What is that? Well, because
Speaker 1: I think it would apply. It would The application is
Speaker 1: that other people's ability to contribute is limited based on that,
Speaker 1: and we sort of we and in some ways. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that I'm not I'm not telling
Speaker 1: I'm offended by this because I know you're just you're
Speaker 1: just voicing concerns. I'm just saying I think that people
Speaker 1: would feel that you're saying that that other's ability is limited,
Speaker 1: And by focusing on what traditionally is produced, you're creating
Speaker 1: sort of a static environment where that thing will continue
Speaker 1: to happen, and you're not opening it up for other
Speaker 1: people to have new outcurrent, Right, But how can you
Speaker 1: say that when you're talking about something like sprinting where
Speaker 1: the fucking numbers are so overwhelming. What is it We're
Speaker 1: gonna have like affirmative action for sprinters and only have
Speaker 1: a bunch of white sprinters because black guys are two
Speaker 1: into Well, we're gonna lower the times now that we're
Speaker 1: gonna give them a hunted the yard head start. Like
Speaker 1: white guys just suck at running, so we're gonna do
Speaker 1: is We're gonna make it really easy for white runners.
Speaker 1: It's racist if you don't. Otherwise you're gonna have all
Speaker 1: black people winning sprinting. And you know, you can really
Speaker 1: could turn it in that direction. But blcome, these European
Speaker 1: Jews are doing so well, well, it's because we haven't
Speaker 1: given these other people a better chance. You need affirmative
Speaker 1: action with inventions, and if you come up with an invention,
Speaker 1: you gotta fucking hand it over to some Yugoslavian guy
Speaker 1: with a fucking head wound, because none of those have
Speaker 1: ever come up with ship. But the statistic, the delineation, though,
Speaker 1: the distinction is the distinction is to one is. One
Speaker 1: is genetic, which you can prove evolutionary botherls can prove
Speaker 1: with the amount of fast twitch muscle and things like that.
Speaker 1: The other is cultural. And so when you talk about
Speaker 1: for example, I believe half of almost half of all
Speaker 1: Nobel Prize winners were Jewish have been Jewish, which is
Speaker 1: an incredible number. But then you have to look at
Speaker 1: the culture. Then you have to then then there's so
Speaker 1: many different factors in that aspect. So so you know,
Speaker 1: you would look at what is esteemed in the culture, education,
Speaker 1: being original, having to be original, otherwise, country, hard work,
Speaker 1: all of us. I think it was Jared Diamond looked at.
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't look like pressures against you know,
Speaker 1: Jared Diamond did an amazing job of first of all,
Speaker 1: saying that the reason he looked at why when he
Speaker 1: was in Papoa, New Guinea, one of his the guys
Speaker 1: who was working was said, why do you white people
Speaker 1: have everything and us black people have nothing? And that
Speaker 1: sent him on a twenty year odyssey to figure out
Speaker 1: why it was that some nations excelled others day in
Speaker 1: this primarily Northern Europe, Europe and sub Subaharan Africa. And
Speaker 1: why didn't sub to Hearan Africa. Not so much of
Speaker 1: it had to do with geography. So much you had
Speaker 1: to do with whether you had access to domesticated animals,
Speaker 1: um edible grasses, and the environment, what disease did to you,
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things, I mean, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: masterful job of proving that that. It had to do
Speaker 1: more with also your your access to other people. We
Speaker 1: borrow from other people. Any tribe that was isolated, like
Speaker 1: the the the Highlanders of New Guinea who are isolated
Speaker 1: for forty thousand years, stayed prem because they were they
Speaker 1: didn't have access to other people's ideas. Human beings share
Speaker 1: ideas and that's where they grow um and we share
Speaker 1: ideas more importantly from completely different environments, different cultures where
Speaker 1: you have a lot of people, where you have long
Speaker 1: latitudinal lines, where you have people with a similar climate,
Speaker 1: can share material. You advanced faster than people on a
Speaker 1: thing where it's oriented longitudine e. Where when I figure
Speaker 1: out something here down in the south of our land,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really apply to you up there. So like
Speaker 1: a landmask that has on a map appears horizontal, advances
Speaker 1: faster than a land mask that appears vertical. Look at
Speaker 1: Africa because you're figuring it out in the Amazon. There's
Speaker 1: some dude up in the Great Plains could give a
Speaker 1: shit about there's no bearing on them. Africa, Africa and
Speaker 1: the Middle East what they call the Fertile Crescent, the
Speaker 1: North Africa and the Middle East where so much where
Speaker 1: writing came. We know a lot of writing, uh, domesticated animals, barley, weed,
Speaker 1: all those things, and there was a thriving population. What
Speaker 1: you had. The reason it didn't come down to to
Speaker 1: you know, Africa, Equatorial Africa is because you had the desert,
Speaker 1: the Sahara Desert and then in penetrable jungle. Then you
Speaker 1: get down to South Africa and that was that was temperate.
Speaker 1: So so wherever there was trade and people were able
Speaker 1: to go and not you know, and share ideas about
Speaker 1: dying of yellow fever and stuff like that. It was
Speaker 1: totally different. But what's fascinating about Jared Diamonds work was
Speaker 1: that you take a highlander from New Guinea who's been
Speaker 1: isolated for forty thousand years and there's no tradition of writing,
Speaker 1: reading or arithmetic. You take that They took a kid
Speaker 1: who had had came from none of that, none of that,
Speaker 1: And he went to a regular you know, Western schooling
Speaker 1: and by the time he was whatever fourteen fifteen, he
Speaker 1: was reading and writing and doing arithmetic on the same
Speaker 1: level as any Northern European. That's very interesting because what
Speaker 1: that says it is the malleability of the human brain
Speaker 1: and the fact that the Highlanders may not be sharing
Speaker 1: the same intellectual tradition, but they are having to use
Speaker 1: their brain. They are having to figure out what grasses
Speaker 1: are readible? What then, what the weather is gonna do tomorrow,
Speaker 1: how are they gonna hunt? So they're still using their brain.
Speaker 1: That that that matter. First time I ever had a podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why don't we actually wrap this up? This is almost
Speaker 1: Is there any toilet paper left? Um? Answer? Tuning in
Speaker 1: this podcast is held as long as he could. He
Speaker 1: has to leave to go out of the rain. He's
Speaker 1: got the kit. You know. One thing that Brian, I
Speaker 1: want to close on one note, Brian is I was
Speaker 1: talking about fast twitch and slow twitch muscle and remind
Speaker 1: me of something my brother is just telling me. He's
Speaker 1: a he's an ecologist, a lout of fish. When you
Speaker 1: cut a salmon flame in half, and you see how
Speaker 1: you got all that, like the pink flesh on the
Speaker 1: salmon flay, and then you have that little bit of
Speaker 1: brown it's kind of like people sometimes called the bloodline,
Speaker 1: but a little bit of brown flesh in the center
Speaker 1: of the flay up against the skin. What you're looking
Speaker 1: at is that little bit of brown stuff is slower
Speaker 1: twitch muscle, and all of that pink is fast twitch muscle.
Speaker 1: And when that sam and just swimming through the ocean,
Speaker 1: he's just using that little bit of brown stuff and
Speaker 1: all that pink stuff is for what his holy ship
Speaker 1: moments of when he splits. That's like the ratio of
Speaker 1: like if you look at a turkey, how he's got
Speaker 1: the dark meat, you know, winging leg, dark meat, and
Speaker 1: then he's got that white flesh. So you're looking out
Speaker 1: a salmon that interesting. Thanks for tuning in. We're gonna
Speaker 1: just hope that they either gets better. Let's go, honey,
Speaker 1: you might not get Let's just go hunt. H