WEBVTT - Ep. 008 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:06.240 This is the Meat Eater podcast recording in Hell. If 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.639 they had decided to go, and they should have, if 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.399 you really wanted to scare centers, you would have had 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.920 it be cold and wet rather than hot and fiery. Yeah. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.680 I think Hell should have been cold and wet would 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.800 be less people in it. The Hell we're in right 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.200 now is Southern Prince of Wales Island. It's a very 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.080 big island. It's like the by some definitions, the third 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.280 largest island in the US. It's about half the size 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:38.000 of Hawaii. Island has about four times the coastline um 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.599 hundred sixty inches of rain, a significant proportion which we're 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.680 logging right now. We're on a blacktail deer hunt. We've 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.880 had one chunk of about five or six hours, which 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.640 I would call productive hunting, out of three days. Uh. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:58.240 We're stuck right now in a seek outside tep tent. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.240 We call it personal like the t he TP for 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:07.199 reasons I'm not gonna get into. And we're just waiting 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.200 for the wind and rain to clear up. And it's 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:16.520 just awful here with Brian the Kid Callen Yeah, Joan, Yeah, 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.360 I'm thinking. Actually, the only I'm thinking about is um 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.720 when they're gonna be able to get the seaplane in 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.360 here to get me the hell out of here. You know, 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.600 I was thinking that until I got that fleece liner 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.759 from my sleeping bag. I'm a new man. I'm good 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.760 to go. Dude. We started a fire last night. The 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.800 fire was a huge moral boost. Steve and I dried 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.399 out my sleeping bag. My sleeping bag was wet from that. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.080 In the fleece liner. And the fact that for about 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.000 two seconds I had a scope on a buck yesterday, 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.200 for two seconds, I saw that sucker in the scope. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.520 It's amazing how rejuvenative that is. That means that if 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.920 anything had gone differently, if he had stayed there, if 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.160 the cameras were on him, if he didn't get spooked, 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:00.640 he got spooked, he took off. We don't even know 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.000 what spooked him. But we could have shot a deer 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.120 last night. Yeah, we could have cooked him over that fire. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.200 You know. I later realized it would have been very 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.560 difficult to get down and get that deer, but possible. No, Listen, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:12.959 I would have if I had to just get it, 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.799 made a flight suit out of my rain We're I 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.640 would have gone down there and got that. We would 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.640 have figured it out, but we were on a cliff 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.200 to That was one thing that was kind of scary, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.760 you know, it was reminiscent of it was reminiscent of 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.560 your first deer. Yeah, we shot off a canyon rim. Yeah. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.360 So we're we're at We're landed on a lake here 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:36.040 at ft above sea level, and this this area we're 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.960 gonna get a tremendous amount of snow and uh in May. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.960 Still it's these mountains are snow cap They start to 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.360 melt off in June and July, and when that happens, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.600 there's a lot of new growth, new plant growth, and 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:53.200 blacktail deer will migrate up into the high stuff and 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.840 they'll come up two thousand feet three thousand feetle They 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.360 can get at it and live up there until things 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.960 start to turn and the weather starts to turn, at 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.840 which point they'll migrate back down and they rout down 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:11.040 more a little closer to the water. We're later. We 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.280 came up here later than than than we should have. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.680 Ideally we would have come up here, you know around August. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.440 Um you still got good weather. The deer is still 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.040 very high up probably been good. I've come up here 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.239 as late as September and had a pretty good hunting. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:32.359 We're into early October and it's it seems like there's 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.720 a ton of sign where deer have been in here, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.560 but I just get the feeling like some of the animals, 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.840 you know, significant portion animals have moved out. But yesterday 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.280 we had like great weather. We liked up from here 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.480 maybe five ft we woand up seeing uh six deer, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.560 saw one buck. I was super optimistic and then it's 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.960 just the weather just collapsed us again. It's just been 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.240 it's just it's kind of tough and and a little 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.400 bit miserable. But the fleece liners are nice because they 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.640 don't when your bag gets wet, the fleece liners still 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:16.360 feels fresh and nice. Yeah, fleece line is huge changes 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.960 the game. Fires changed the game too. Yeah, fires a morale, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.120 but are a morale boost. Yeah, yeah, that that had 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.120 a huge impact. You know. I was determined yesterday to 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.640 get a fire going. So I started gathering up little 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.599 tiny twigs, and then Mike and I started sawing little 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.120 pieces that looked like they might be able to be cooking. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.360 And then Doughty figured out that you could light free 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.480 Do's on fire, and they light on fire really good, 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.280 and so Doughty really actually started the fire off. He 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.400 got a little we found a piece of cardboard box 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.920 and he put the free do's in the box. Yeah, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:54.719 and then we lit that on fire, and then we 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.560 staffed a little twigs on fire. Before you know, we 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.960 had an actual fire. You should sell fire kids, do 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.239 you where it's just like a ox holfritos, Hold they're flame. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.600 It was fun. Man, last night was great. Just just 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:11.919 having that was gigantic. So we got it's it's Sunday, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.800 supposed flat here on Tuesday. Honestly, I don't We wouldn't 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.680 have a chance to really get out of here until 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.640 Tuesday because the weather. There's no way you get a 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.640 plane in here. Right now. We got gale force winds. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.440 Monday is supposed to be frequent showers, but sounds like 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:31.280 it will be huntable Tomorrow, could be huntable tonight, Um Tuesday, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.040 we'll see. We might have a lot more hunting days 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.320 in store. If the plane can't get in here, I 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:45.800 will never ever, uh ever come back here. I don't think. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.480 I don't think what I don't think I'll ever come 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:53.520 back to this spot. Yeah, this place sucksly, I definitely 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:58.320 won't come back, won't I've come back in August. Yeah, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.240 I'd come back in August, but uh, I want to 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.320 come back in early October. And the problem is so 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.760 so the you know, we're we're doing obviously a film 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:13.320 hunt for media or the TV show. And this is 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.200 the third time we've been graced with the presence of 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.920 Brian the Kid Calling and Joe Rogan. And the first 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.640 time we hunted together, we went and hunted mule during 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.640 the Missouri breaks and that was cold, but we were 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.160 seeing deer, you know, we knew we were gonna get 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.520 a deer. Then we went white tail deer hunt and 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:40.200 that was ridiculously cold, but we were seeing dear lots 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.200 of them. And this isn't nearly as cold, but just wet. 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.680 But it's like it's just like sick of Blacktail deer 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.880 hunting is this It's just a wet game. I don't 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.400 know if people aren't into it where they're not into 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.440 it because of the conditions were because they don't have giant, big, 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.159 sexy rats, you know, well, sick of blacktail aren't really 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.840 into it either because we haven't seen any. So I'm 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.320 gonna hang out in the woods. Yeah. Even the deer 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.560 aren't into it. Yeah, yeah, even that they're like, oh 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:20.760 this place sucks, Dan Dode, he knew, Dan, tell us 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.960 a little bit about what you knew. We should explain 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.840 why we're in this TV. Did you explain exactly what's 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.280 going on outside while we're not out hunting? Yeah, we 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.840 have right now, we have Gail. Well, there's three problems 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:39.000 right now. The problem one is we have Gail forest winds, um, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:43.080 everything's moving and shaking, and the rain is is moving horizontal. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.320 Problem two is the rain, it's very wet out. Problem 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.800 three is we're in a cloud. We're actually in a cloud, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.360 so you can't see any of the anyways, any appreciable 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:59.600 distance to go out and hunt right now? Um, if 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.760 you could remove either the wind or remove yeah, either 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.360 the wind or the clouds, I think you could probably 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.280 go out and hunt. But right now, I think you're 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.360 not saying right out, you're wasting your time and you're 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:16.480 just burning up dry close How many how many days 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.200 supplies until we have started each other? If we do 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.560 get stranded at it, if things get that bad, we 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:27.720 would walk, Uh, we would walk out to my cabin. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:35.360 How long would that take? Would you guys, I have 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.640 hold on. I have a tireless swagger. Because you remember 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.600 your friend Joe was explaining how you have a hard 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:47.040 time moving from point A to point because I have 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.760 I move with the woods, I move with the lamb. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.120 You just don't move good. No, no, no, that's that's 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.640 a mistake. What you're seeing is you're seeing I moved 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.200 through space with minimum waste. If I didn't know better, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.200 I would say you have a neurological issue. No, no no, see, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.880 this is this is where you're wrong. What I'm doing 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.360 is I'm I'm I'm shucking and driving and you have 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.079 to do that to get through the vegetable. Looks like 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:11.960 there's a hitch in your step, That's what it looks like. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.680 But I'm ducking, I'm up, I'm down, I'm moving around. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.719 I practiced my pot of your legs, they don't make 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.360 like you don't have like a long stride. Liked that's too. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.640 I have a long torso when I have short Italian 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.080 peasant legs. They're built to uh, to squat and dig 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.640 and uh I that's they're built for poverty. Yes, yeah, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.360 I'm built for poverty and to carry sticks on my 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.040 back and to be oppressed. But I get there. I 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.679 get there. So yeah, with you guys, with you stepping 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.280 and driving whatever you're doing, jumping and driv away from 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.240 the woods, it would probably turn into an overnight er. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.400 I feel like I could probably leave at daybreak and 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:52.160 get there by dark. Jeez, it's six miles. Six miles 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.480 to Pitch. I ran I walked. I don't know how 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.840 long we take you get there, Sles, it seems like nothing. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.559 We do it, like six miles. He's like, well, it's 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.040 just it's a matter of clips. Yeah, it's a matter 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:09.040 of clips. I forgot we got a satellite phone. Yeah, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.720 we'd be all right. We'd walk down, have Ron come 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:18.160 get us. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, was that how far would 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.120 that for him to make a run walk to where 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.200 Ron would come get us. Oh, we would a couple 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.160 of miles, A few miles so easy. Maybe maybe it'd 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:30.920 be a bad few miles would be like the worst 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.280 few miles you ever walked, would it be? It's doable. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.800 So this might be a real issue, Like we might 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.080 really get stuck here because this wasn't supposed to be 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.960 Today was not supposed to be like this Tuesday. Tuesday 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.280 is going to clear up though, and you know how 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:49.040 you now predictable Alaska forecasting. Tuesday is supposed to be 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:54.720 sun raine, light wind. My suggestion is that the next 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.480 break we get, we get a plane in here. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.720 be smart without a doubt. Ye have to day. I 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.280 got the phone in my pocket. We can make a 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.160 phone call right now to PROMAC and see what they're 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.920 availability is. As long as we're long, as we're doing this, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:14.280 I want I wanna um touch on real quick. I 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.920 don't know. I was gonna say some stuff about flying 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.400 hunting in Alaska, how tenuous it is because you can 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.040 get stuck places for days. A friend of mine just went, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.600 you know, brand was on a cariboo hunt. They hunt. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:29.960 They were supposed to just go in for a couple 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.000 of days. They went in a couple of days, shot 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:36.280 five cariboo and then sat there for five days wait 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.240 for a planning to be able to come get him. Wow. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:46.360 What's interesting is after you know, the N eleven terrorist attacks, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.079 there was a lot of guys they grounded all the flights. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.480 There's a lot of people that was like frying hunting season. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.599 You know, there's a lot of people sitting out in 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:00.199 the woods who had flights scheduled to come get him, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.000 and then one day there's like no sound of aircraft. 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.320 They have no idea what happened. There's no aircraft in 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.960 the air, No one comes and gets them. Kind of 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:14.080 weird few days. How many days was it before they too? 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.480 You know, I was reading about a guy who shot 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.400 a buffalo on the tent, supposed to get picked up 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.200 on the eleventh and he said it's like, not only 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.480 did his plane dot com, he said, just dead quiet, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.760 you know, because there's always aircraft noise in Alaska. You 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.400 know what in places there's always aircraft noise. So that's 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.080 a problem. The other problem is this is like, you know, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.280 a constant debate we Elwyes have because Joe Rod really 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.319 wants to go into elk hunt real bad, and the 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.480 constant debate we eyes have, or discussion we have is 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.800 like what type of hunt do you want? And and 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:53.280 Joe on the l sounds you just want to get out. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:58.719 I don't want to suffer. So there's like like weird 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.680 to the equation, know a do it yourself hunt? You're 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.480 really open to haveven like like bad stuff like this 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:12.960 happened like this, Yeah, I would say, this could happen 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.840 on This could happen on a guy, This could happen 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.439 on a guide and hunt perfectly well too. But it's 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.320 just like it just seems to me like a do 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:25.080 it yourself, a classic do it yourself public land hunt conundra. Yeah, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.880 if you don't listen to Dan Doughty, you're definitely gonna 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.360 get yourself Doughty's voice of caution. What do you do 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:36.800 about this episode? Now, this episode is largely unsuccessful. Yeah, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:42.720 we've been through it before. We'll make something out of it. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.640 This happens, he was all the time. But listen, the 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.520 last two months we were on Now, we were out 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:51.040 hunting black bears and it was just like a done deal. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.040 It was a skunker and then family got something. We 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.839 just spent eight days looking for a moose kill one 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:03.439 on day nine. It's it's just a thing. I'm not 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.040 saying that's gonna happen this time, but it's just the 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:09.400 thing that happens all the time. You have to wait 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:14.520 it out and bear it out. Someone in the center 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.040 right now is messing with a jet boil and he's 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.440 getting a lot of strange looks. You guys are so distracted, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.800 couldn't figure out how shut it up. It was dead 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.760 behind the plastic. Then. Anyway, I'm glad to hear you 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.280 say that you'll never come here again, because I actually 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:35.040 won't ever come back here. I promise you that, Like 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.560 to what degree won't you come back here to this island? 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.720 Probably the whole island? Yeah? Probably? And mess is July? 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.560 Yeah never, Well, so what happened to our What about 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.320 this spring when we go up with barbed up by Juno? 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.120 That's not this island? Probably, I probably won't go anyway. Really, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.920 all right, so we just law. Not only do we 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.760 have a bad hunt, we just law. As the producer, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.600 I do think there's something immensely satisfying about suffering in 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.720 comparison to an easy hunt, where you know you're in 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.080 a cabin and you go out and you wait and 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.160 you shoot it here. I actually, what are you doing 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.680 with that oatmeal? I'm keeping the sugar out. I don't 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.200 need sugar. That's why they call me the kid. Let 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.560 me see what you did? You know, sugar sits in 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:30.960 my bottom. Some of that it's not water. We um 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.480 this this hunt sucked. Yesterday was fine. I'll think you 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.520 got Bryan Callen. Just let you know, Bryan Callen is 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.960 as a side deal, you know, the little old meal packets. First, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.760 I want to give you a hunting trip. When you're hunting, 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.080 you can just eat your oatmeal out of your oatmeal 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:55.680 packet by just pouring water into the envelope and eating 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.080 it out of there. You don't need the bowl. We 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.480 learned that from one of the great this man i've 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.960 ever met, Marty Shy to mantle wherever he is today. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.360 And Brian is digging around with you one of these 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:12.040 packets right now, individually selecting out the oats and the 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:16.080 belief that he is leaving the sugar behind and just 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:20.640 getting the oats. Yeah I can, I did it. No, No, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:23.000 I just you left a bunch of oats and the 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:29.160 bottle of the beg. Anyway, Um, it's it's it's all 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.800 fun to suffer and everything like that. But it is 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.520 two thousand fourteen, and we do know a lot about 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.200 like where it sucks and where it doesn't suck. In 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.080 the future, we would love to go hunting with you again. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.120 Let's go somewhere that doesn't suck. Let's go somewhere that 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.080 has a lot of animals and doesn't suck. Everything I've done, 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.120 and a lot of things I do in my life 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.640 is a reaction to whatever happened lasts to me. Okay, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.560 so from this mistake, so we went here as a 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.840 react action, like reacting against what happened last time we 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.879 went hunting, which is like we're stand hunting for white tails. Okay, 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.919 So I'm like, okay, considering that I want to go, 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.760 we didn't go on to another stand white tail hunt. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.040 I wanted to go do something totally different. So now 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.000 there's no way I would leave here and do something 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.680 like this again. The next thing would be that we'd 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.280 go to the desert. A desert. What can you ship 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.159 in the desert? Us? This is a lots of your hunt, Like, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.600 who's deer have desert? There's a desert hunts for he really, 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.440 I mean, it depends on how you define desert. It 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.760 might not be like the Mojave, but I'm saying like 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.400 an area that has less than thirteen inches of precipitation 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.560 a here. So yeah, it would be we would do 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.160 something totally different next time. And uh, And the reason 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.760 I came back here is because it was it ended 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.480 up the last time I was here. It was so 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.919 beautiful on the last day that I just wanted to 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.600 come back and experience more of that. But I screwed up. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.480 It is it is a really beautiful one. Have a break. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.399 I just hope you guys will give me their chance. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:08.320 Do the planes fly at night? No, of course we'll 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.480 get another chance. I'm worried I'm not gonna be able 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.600 to get back in time for this weekend. I have 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.360 a lot of stuff I have to do next weekend. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.720 It would be a huge issue if I can't get back. 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.760 We'll get back. I'll get my map out and I'll 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:28.040 see what it would involve to. Uh what kind of 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.639 hell we're looking at to get down the water? And 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.800 then uh, Ryan later come around and get us. You 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.120 still gotta get across the thing, but we can figure 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:45.320 that out too. Across plant straight. We're just tough to 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.920 get across. Well, what we gotta call and get a 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.560 like we've been running off of something called a marine forecast, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.720 and then marine forecast a little bit hard to translate 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.680 into what it means for you up into where we're at. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:02.440 What's the latest forecast for today? We in diminishing rain 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.040 turning to showers. It's ten twenty. Can they fly when 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.520 they're showers? No, the showers don't matter. It's just the 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.639 ceiling matters. There's the wind and ceiling. So is it 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.480 possible that we can get out of here today? M No, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:23.800 No way. May. Usually they're not gonna cross if you 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.800 call them. Don't know if you they're not gonna cross 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.760 Clarence like they're not gonna cross Clarence straight with much 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:35.960 more than winds. Aren't you cheap skates? I know you 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.359 cannot afford to listen to the Meat Eater podcast if 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.760 it wasn't free, So you gotta pay your dues and 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.560 listen to the following word from our sponsors. Please listen. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:48.920 If you want to go onto Elkhout where there's like 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:56.200 guaranteed success um, that could be done. But I don't 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.200 know what I would do next. I would probably want 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.280 to take you either to hunt in the desert or 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.080 I want to go up and hunt caribou on the 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.359 north slope. Caribu on the north swop sounds like a 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.600 great time. That sounds like a lot of fun I 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.119 wanted to get. You can get stuck, but also you 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.960 can get where you're You're probably gonna have hundreds of 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.440 animals walk by every day, because that would be my reaction, 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.240 you know what I said, Like I'm always reacting. I 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.560 would be like, hey, not many animals now where we 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.359 go see some animals hundreds right walking by. Well that 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.400 sounds like a lot of fun. So that's what we'll 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.640 go do next. That's a future hunt. But I would 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.840 say I do want to return to one thing about 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.280 black tail deer hunt just in general on the subject 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:42.919 of hunting, there are a couple under under utilized hunts 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.159 in this country. And I would say a lot of 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.000 times people contact me like I really want to go 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.840 do it do it yourself hunt. You know, I don't 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.320 have a ton of money to spend, Like what should 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:56.040 I do? As much as this sucks, I think that 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.160 on these like in black tail sick of black tailed 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.560 deer areas, there are many areas that just simply that 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.119 go years and years and years that never get hunted. 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.080 You know, Like if a guy is looking to go 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:15.359 on a on a hunt and they want to do 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.280 like a do it yourself public land hunt, I think 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.000 that this is something that just doesn't get a lot 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.359 of attention. A lot of guys when they go on 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:22.960 they want to go on a hunt out west. They're 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.080 they're focused on a handful of things, like a handful 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.879 of glamorous things. But I feel like people should pay 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:32.840 more attention to doing this. I feel like, uh, mule, 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.720 you're hunting is a big thing that a fella can 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.199 just go and do. But this, there's areas out here 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.480 that will never be in our not in our lifetimes. 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.280 There's areas out here that will go years and years 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.439 and years and no one's ever gonna walk in them 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.879 to hunt. But you've got to be just a little 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.080 hardier than the average do it yourself. Or that's looking 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.919 at that mule deer or elk hunt out west versus 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.840 coming up and hunt and sickle black to a deer 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.359 is on some rainy island. You've gotta want that next 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.080 level of into your next level of experience. You've got 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.720 to really want that, yeah, because it is the next level. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.359 You can't drive here in your pickup truck towing a 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.080 trailer with you know, basically the kitchen saint behind you. No, 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.400 but you would take a ferry up. You could take 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:21.240 a ferry up to Prince Wales Island. Take a car 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.000 ferry up to Prince Wales island. Have your truck on 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.159 the road system, the same way guys do. Tons of 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.119 guys do for black bear in spring. Get your truck 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.200 on the road system, drive in and hike up into 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.160 the alpine zone. Yeah, it's miserable, but it's like, if 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:37.879 you want to do let me put this away. If 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.840 you want to do a hunt where you won't see 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.440 any other people, which is my favorite kind of hunt. 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.240 I like to be that I'm the only guy in 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.920 the area and I'm hunting deer. That you're doing or 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.480 hunting game is acting like game and not that's acting 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.000 like in response to people. It's just it's just a 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.320 different experience. You can do that all day long here, 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.680 all year long, in the long season August fifte January 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:10.719