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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater podcast recording in Hell. If

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Speaker 1: they had decided to go, and they should have, if

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Speaker 1: you really wanted to scare centers, you would have had

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Speaker 1: it be cold and wet rather than hot and fiery. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think Hell should have been cold and wet would

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Speaker 1: be less people in it. The Hell we're in right

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Speaker 1: now is Southern Prince of Wales Island. It's a very

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Speaker 1: big island. It's like the by some definitions, the third

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Speaker 1: largest island in the US. It's about half the size

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Speaker 1: of Hawaii. Island has about four times the coastline um

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Speaker 1: hundred sixty inches of rain, a significant proportion which we're

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Speaker 1: logging right now. We're on a blacktail deer hunt. We've

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Speaker 1: had one chunk of about five or six hours, which

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Speaker 1: I would call productive hunting, out of three days. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're stuck right now in a seek outside tep tent.

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Speaker 1: We call it personal like the t he TP for

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Speaker 1: reasons I'm not gonna get into. And we're just waiting

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Speaker 1: for the wind and rain to clear up. And it's

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Speaker 1: just awful here with Brian the Kid Callen Yeah, Joan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking. Actually, the only I'm thinking about is um

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Speaker 1: when they're gonna be able to get the seaplane in

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Speaker 1: here to get me the hell out of here. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking that until I got that fleece liner

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Speaker 1: to go. Dude. We started a fire last night. The

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Speaker 1: fire was a huge moral boost. Steve and I dried

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Speaker 1: out my sleeping bag. My sleeping bag was wet from that.

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Speaker 1: In the fleece liner. And the fact that for about

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Speaker 1: two seconds I had a scope on a buck yesterday,

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Speaker 1: for two seconds, I saw that sucker in the scope.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how rejuvenative that is. That means that if

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Speaker 1: anything had gone differently, if he had stayed there, if

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Speaker 1: the cameras were on him, if he didn't get spooked,

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Speaker 1: he got spooked, he took off. We don't even know

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Speaker 1: what spooked him. But we could have shot a deer

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Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, we could have cooked him over that fire.

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Speaker 1: You know. I later realized it would have been very

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Speaker 1: difficult to get down and get that deer, but possible. No, Listen,

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Speaker 1: I would have if I had to just get it,

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Speaker 1: would have gone down there and got that. We would

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Speaker 1: have figured it out, but we were on a cliff

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Speaker 1: to That was one thing that was kind of scary,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was reminiscent of it was reminiscent of

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Speaker 1: your first deer. Yeah, we shot off a canyon rim. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we're we're at We're landed on a lake here

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Speaker 1: Still it's these mountains are snow cap They start to

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of new growth, new plant growth, and

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Speaker 1: blacktail deer will migrate up into the high stuff and

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Speaker 1: they'll come up two thousand feet three thousand feetle They

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Speaker 1: which point they'll migrate back down and they rout down

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Speaker 1: more a little closer to the water. We're later. We

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Speaker 1: Ideally we would have come up here, you know around August.

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Speaker 1: Um you still got good weather. The deer is still

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Speaker 1: We're into early October and it's it seems like there's

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Speaker 1: but I just get the feeling like some of the animals,

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Speaker 1: you know, significant portion animals have moved out. But yesterday

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Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of tough and and a little

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Speaker 1: bit miserable. But the fleece liners are nice because they

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Speaker 1: don't when your bag gets wet, the fleece liners still

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Speaker 1: feels fresh and nice. Yeah, fleece line is huge changes

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Speaker 1: the game. Fires changed the game too. Yeah, fires a morale,

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Speaker 1: supposed flat here on Tuesday. Honestly, I don't We wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Brian the Kid Calling and Joe Rogan. And the first

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Speaker 1: that was ridiculously cold, but we were seeing dear lots

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Speaker 1: But it's like it's just like sick of Blacktail deer

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Speaker 1: why we're in this TV. Did you explain exactly what's

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Speaker 1: Problem two is the rain, it's very wet out. Problem

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Speaker 1: three is we're in a cloud. We're actually in a cloud,

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Speaker 1: just burning up dry close How many how many days

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Speaker 1: supplies until we have started each other? If we do

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Speaker 1: How long would that take? Would you guys, I have

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Speaker 1: hold on. I have a tireless swagger. Because you remember

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Speaker 1: your friend Joe was explaining how you have a hard

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Speaker 1: I move with the woods, I move with the lamb.

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Speaker 1: You just don't move good. No, no, no, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a mistake. What you're seeing is you're seeing I moved

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Speaker 1: I would say you have a neurological issue. No, no no, see,

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Speaker 1: this is this is where you're wrong. What I'm doing

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Speaker 1: there's a hitch in your step, That's what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: But I'm ducking, I'm up, I'm down, I'm moving around.

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Speaker 1: and uh I that's they're built for poverty. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So this might be a real issue, Like we might

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Speaker 1: Today was not supposed to be like this Tuesday. Tuesday

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Speaker 1: you now predictable Alaska forecasting. Tuesday is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: be smart without a doubt. Ye have to day. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I was gonna say some stuff about flying

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Speaker 1: hunting in Alaska, how tenuous it is because you can

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Speaker 1: get stuck places for days. A friend of mine just went,

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Speaker 1: you know, brand was on a cariboo hunt. They hunt.

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Speaker 1: They were supposed to just go in for a couple

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Speaker 1: for a planning to be able to come get him. Wow.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is after you know, the N eleven terrorist attacks,

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that was like frying hunting season.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people sitting out in

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Speaker 1: authentically American, but also because my back, my back is

425
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: so feed out that they look like wings. They called

426
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: me the eagle when you see me from behind? What

427
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: why did you make that noise? Oh? And you guys,

428
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: you guys saw a BlackBerry yesterday. I wonder if she's

429
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: not up here trying to not get her cub killed Neaton,

430
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: and she just kind of steers clear of all the

431
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: bears made because because mail bears will kill a gubbu. Wow,

432
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: Yeah they do, and they like do a lot of

433
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: infant aside. Man, they say that um on Kodiak. When

434
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: the boers come out, one of the primary things they

435
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: eat is cubs, brown bear cubs. That's like, that's like

436
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: they come out and that's what they're doing, is they're

437
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: eating brown bear cubs before they start even saying. The

438
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: big reason they do that is to actually make the

439
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: female come back in the asters. Is that in there,

440
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: I think a like a a person who's I think

441
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: a scientist will tell you don't really know why they

442
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, they probably do that for food.

443
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: But a result of doing that is that the female

444
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: will then come into estros more quickly. So you run

445
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: the risk of killing your own offspring. But the result

446
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: is you have if you're around and it's in and

447
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: she's in your area, she's gonna come back into Ester's

448
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: you have a chance to breed her. But I don't

449
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: know if the bear. I doubt the bear is making

450
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: these calculations, the brown bear will actually eat its own

451
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: I think they run the risk of that. They don't know, okay,

452
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: because I mean lions lead, you'll kill lead, you know,

453
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: but but they don't kill their own officer, you know,

454
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Like what like you guys ever hear the geneticist Stephen

455
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: Gould he had to say when he wrote about where

456
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: when we look at like we look at the natural

457
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: world and everything we see, we go like, oh, it

458
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: does that for this reason, right, it does have for

459
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: this reason. So you might say, like, what's the selective

460
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: or what's the adaptive advantage of having brown bark? Like, oh,

461
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: the brown, the barks brown? Because whatever He's like, maybe

462
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: there is no advantage at all to having brown bark.

463
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: There's an advantage to having really thick bark because it

464
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: can withstand forest fires, let's say. And as a result

465
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: of becoming thick, it takes on a color that isn't

466
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: a detriment, but it's not an asset either. It just

467
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: happens to be brown, you know, And you look at

468
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: and go like, oh, I want to be if to

469
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: be that way for that reason. But yeah, a bear,

470
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: I bet he's probably to keep because he wants to

471
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: eat it, and he wants to get food. And in

472
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: a advantage, like a hidden advantage of that, is it

473
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: she comes into asters, he breeds. So maybe a board

474
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: it's more likely to devour a lot of clubs, gets

475
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: a lot more chances in his area to breed a

476
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: lot more females. So I don't know how it rules

477
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: out that he's not just killing his own offspite. Maybe

478
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: he don't care. H At one time found a black

479
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: bear that had shipped out. It was a black bear ship.

480
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: He had shipped out a black bear cubs claw. Yeah,

481
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: I have a coyote ship that shipped out of deer's

482
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: hoof a fawn hook they found they found very d

483
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: n a. And those wolves in Siberia, right, they were

484
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: eating barren. What do you know about that? There's a

485
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: special on wolves in Siberia. This giant wolves made. Yeah,

486
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: they eats well, oh they must have been eating cubs.

487
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: Not gone that. The whole story was that they were

488
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: taken down grizzlies. But I'm sure they killed the cubs.

489
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: Cubs maybe, yeah, I doubt a bear nonsense. Yeah, that

490
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: when I found when I found that kyo, the kyle

491
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: that shipped out the hook I started a whole animal

492
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: ship collection. The guy, why did you keep this in

493
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: your house? I would dry it on screens. I had

494
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: a big coffee table made up with a glass top.

495
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: I took a big giant coffee table and painted yellow

496
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: like a National geographic magazine binding binder, and I built

497
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: a three inch high lip around it, and then bought

498
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: a big heavy chunk glass and laid it on so

499
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: you'd be like drinking or whatever looking down on the

500
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: glass top table. And it was recessed where I had many,

501
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: and so we wound up having we had the Me

502
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: and my brother were both like it. So we had

503
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: like grizzly bear that have been eaten grass. We had

504
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: grizzly bears have been eating white bark pine nuts. We

505
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: had grizzly bear to be elp. I had like cotton

506
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: tail rabbit, snowshoe hair jack rabbit. I had like summertime dear,

507
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: winter dear. I mean I had mink, muskrat. I had

508
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: had dozens and dozens of specimens. We'd rotate in and out,

509
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: but I would dry it on screens. Then I would

510
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: lacker it and absolutely olderless and just and it when

511
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: laid out, I'm telling you I'm not tell I'm not

512
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: telling you, just to sound like like it wasn't like

513
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: a thing, like you're just doing it for It was

514
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: a beautiful display of animal scant, but it's hard to maintain,

515
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: like the stuff just you know, it's still kind of falls,

516
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: gets too dry and falls apart, and eventually just got

517
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: sick of it. But I had an amazing collection of

518
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: animal scat. You got too much free time. Son. No

519
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: how many how many pis animal scatter we seen walking

520
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: around a lot, I left them all. Didn't have desire

521
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: to even touch him. I never thought once about picking

522
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: them up. Definitely wouldn't take them home without a doubt,

523
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't lacker them and have fucking breakfast looking down at

524
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: animal ship. It wasn't gonna last. There's certain things in life.

525
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: The scat collection be one. There's certain things life for everyone.

526
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: Like if you tell someone about the scat collection, they'd

527
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: be like you, But everyone who ever laid eyes on

528
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: it would always say, I get it. That's an amazing collection.

529
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: Everyone who ever never had someone was being nice to you.

530
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: They're all crazy suckers who are over your house, gonna

531
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: look at this dude collecting animal ship from all over

532
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: the world. Let's just be nice to him and get

533
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: the funk out of here and talk mad shit about

534
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: his ship collection. As soon as we get out, I

535
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: guarantee your friends are driving home. Some motherfucker's got three

536
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: different kinds of rabbit, ship and kitchen and they're just

537
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: driving home, laughing their dicks off, going fucking this. Here's

538
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: grizzly merit. It's got grass in it, like this fucking

539
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: guy's collecting it, packing it in his luggage carefully. He's

540
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: got like bubble wrap around some ship and puts it

541
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: in a bar. The fund is wrong with him. The

542
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: one joke that everyone made, and I can tell your

543
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: professional community you skipped it, was everyone would come look

544
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: and they'd always have to say, like, I'll take a

545
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: ship in there. Everyone would make that joke. The joke

546
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: is something like that. But if you did have hunt

547
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: in there, that would would completely human ship mounted on

548
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: a special like like like a crystal orb so and

549
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: an actual layer of shellac with nuts in it, nuts

550
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: with nuts, and then I would have a sign underneath

551
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: it that said Snickers could be funny Snickers. There wasn't

552
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: a human that was eating McDonald's that's right. That's human ship.

553
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's American human ship. Yeah, what,

554
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: you only collected animals ship? Why don't you pick up

555
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: some dogship from your fucking neighbor's yard while you're at it?

556
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Because it was because I got it out of the

557
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: litter box. You could see the litter crumbs stuck to it, Athanic,

558
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I did. Because I'm not. I'm not.

559
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't interested in that. Though. This is from a parakeet,

560
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: this pigeon ship on my car. Now I'm meeting my

561
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: breakfast over it. The funk is wrong with you? Because beautiful.

562
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: It's the most beautiful I can under collection the bones.

563
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: I can understand a lot of things I do not

564
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: understand collecting ship. Well, you don't belong to my club

565
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: having first meeting. Yeah, you're you're a little too deep

566
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: in the animal world, my friend. Well, here's the thing too, though,

567
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: it really uh if one wants to learn how to

568
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: read sign it was a great way to study sign

569
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: reading while you enjoy your coffee in the morning or

570
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: doing commercial breaks. If you're watching too, you could be

571
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: like this guy talked about detergent and I'm gonna brush

572
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: up on my moose. You call it tube? You don't

573
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: say when you're watching the TV, you go Corocier break.

574
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: When you're watching tube. They don't have tubes anymore. They

575
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: having that tubes. Seventies have flat screen like oh not

576
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: in America, in Russia technology. Yeah, they're called the tube.

577
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: Do you have They still have cabinets that they watched

578
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 1: their TV. Do you have a turntables too? You look

579
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: shopping for a needle? What's your fucking what's your super

580
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: eight collection? Looks like you hear about this, you have

581
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: some real to reels. You hear about something called antibiotics,

582
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: all this crazy stuff. They even have internal combustion engines.

583
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: Get with the times. Get what the fucking time when

584
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: you're watching tube? But I'm drinking pop, I'm drinking staring

585
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: at my ship collection. There it is. I'm smoking my

586
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: jerky for the winter. And then I'm turning butter. My

587
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: girl turn them butter. And it looks like we're gonna

588
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: make it through the winter this time. Look some crows ship. Yep,

589
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm getting sick to fight ardia from the

590
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: tent time. I think my trick of nos has killed

591
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: the Jardia. Care about this new thing called toilets? No

592
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: more ship in the pot for me. I'm we're saving

593
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: up for a toilet. Apparently it's water y'all. Don't light

594
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: your toilet paper on fire anyway. Thank you for signing

595
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: in a ship. Oh no, I was thinking about talk

596
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: about something different. It's so funny. By the way, that's

597
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: a ridiculous saymentella, it's an original on the ship. Note

598
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: we all often had more than once. I had clients

599
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: who came from the east. White tailed deer hunters came

600
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: out to do an elk hunt, and they would bust

601
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: out a ziploc bag on you, and you'd see them collecting,

602
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: not because they were gonna play inside their coffee tables,

603
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: but because incense. No incense either if it wasn't good,

604
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: lights on fire. Brotherly uses incense, mouse ship or incense.

605
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Willow what smells amazing? Man? What? Because they all they

606
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: eat is willows mostly so it's a very willow thing

607
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: that just smolders. But it wasn't good. It smells like

608
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: sweet right you ever had someone burst sweet grass? Mudge?

609
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: No shits good ship? Anybodies you're saying, these guys they

610
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: want to eat. You know what they would do. It

611
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: was for a practical joke on their buddies. So they

612
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: would collect elk droppings are what four or five times

613
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: sides of the average, right, those droppings, So they would

614
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: sneak into their buddies deer stands and then drop this,

615
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, zip on back full of elk shit, you know,

616
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: and then wait for the phone call from his buddy going, dude,

617
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: you won't believe it. There is a monster buck man.

618
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Their streak rong to my area. This is a common sight.

619
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it wasn't common, but in ten years

620
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: of guiding, I probably saw it half a dozen times.

621
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't telling him to do it. They

622
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: would just all of a sudden, you know, drink, finish

623
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: their gatorade and start packing their gatorade bottle full of

624
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: elk kords just to pay practically joke. That's hilarious. Maybe

625
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: maybe my friend one time was on a bunk bed

626
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: they were touring. He was in a group and he, uh,

627
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: his buddy was hungry, and my friend took a ship

628
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: on top of the bunk bed in a flight and

629
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: then put a plastic fork and knife in and then

630
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: hand it down to his budding said, are you hungry now?

631
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: And I think that at forty seven, the fact that

632
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: I still think that's hilarious is uh, you know, proof

633
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: positive that I really haven't evolved. Just so I'm clear

634
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: on this, he like, did it just to be like

635
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: to disswade his hung Yeah, he just took a She

636
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's a paper plate and at four,

637
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: who hasn't done that? I'm gonna ship in that paper

638
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: plate and I'm gonna I haven't. But I'll say this, man,

639
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: as much as I like animal I would say that

640
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: as much as I like animal scat, I hate human

641
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: excrement more than the average person. This is not like

642
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: an excrement thing. I never heard. I don't do. I

643
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: never played like I don't like like you're not even

644
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: ship in other words, yeah, I don't like it German

645
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: ship videos, etcetera. No, I just I don't want to.

646
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: I want to clear that up. I'm just interested in

647
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: animals scat just as a as trade craft as trade craft.

648
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Has never said anything. Probably I haven't spent atmost time,

649
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: but he's never saying I don't think he's ever saying.

650
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: Really that I didn't find somewhat interesting one way, or

651
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: that you have a lot of interesting things to say.

652
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, sweet you to do smart guy. All right, everyone,

653
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: I know you're enjoying the Meat Eater podcast, and you're

654
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: especially enjoying it because it's free, and to keep it

655
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: that way, we've got to take a quick break to

656
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: thank our sponsors. Steve, do you feel sometimes like a

657
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: little alienated in the world of hunting. You're a very

658
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: well read guy, You're very articulate, and the show that

659
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: you have is very different than a lot of the

660
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: other hunting shows. You know, not to put anybody down

661
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: specifically or in particular, but a lot of what hunting

662
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: television is is very low, low vibration. It's very dull,

663
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: it's very obvious. It's like there's a lot of dimwitted

664
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: people out there making hunting shows. And you know, I

665
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: can I've watched them just because I enjoy watching hunting

666
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: um for whatever reason. But there's not a lot of

667
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: shows like yours. You know, there's not a lot of

668
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: shows where you have interesting narration. You're obviously well read,

669
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're you're you. You're very thoughtful in

670
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: your approach, not just a hunting but in creating a

671
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: hunting show. But that's you know, you're like an island

672
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: in a sea of mediocrity. Yeah, that's a little bit

673
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: hard to speak to you. But I don't. I haven't

674
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: watch I honestly haven't watched a lot of hunting shows,

675
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, And um, so I don't. I never like

676
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: to do a hunting show. I wasn't thinking that I was.

677
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: I never thought of it as a reaction against hunting shows.

678
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: And the other thing is the people that I work with, you,

679
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, I bring like a small like I have

680
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: influence on the show. There's a handful of people that

681
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: have a ton of influence on the show and they

682
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: never watched hunting shows. So I think that it's not

683
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: that it's not that anyone ever said like, oh yeah,

684
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a different type of hunting show. I

685
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: think it just really came from scratch that people just said, like,

686
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: what would be a good show, what would be entertaining,

687
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: and it happened that way. Now I'm afraid to watch

688
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: and hunting shows a little bit because I have this

689
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: thing you hear about, you know, I think it's the

690
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: express The term doesn't make sense to me, but anxiety

691
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: of influence. This is something people say where I have

692
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: a hard time reading contemporary writers writing about the subjects

693
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in because I'm so worried about losing

694
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: track of what was my I'm worried about losing track

695
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: of my worldview and having to be over the influence

696
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: by other people's worldviews stand up, Like, I'm really careful

697
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: about listening to a lot of stand up because stuff

698
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: can creep in. Yeah, there's a lot of people Norton

699
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: won't watch any stand up. Yeah I understand that. I'm

700
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: the same way. I won't very rarely watch even But

701
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody's influenced, You're, you're, We're all influenced

702
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: by the people that came before us, and I'm not

703
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: worried about losing my authenticity. What do you feel like

704
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: all you did all day was like, let's say, okay,

705
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: you're like you're very successful, like just amazing. Let's say

706
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: all you did all day was watch other commentators, Well

707
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: that's comment on UFC. Do you feel like comment on

708
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: fighting and you're like, I want to learn how to

709
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: comment on fighting, so I should study all the fighting

710
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: commentators or do you feel like that would be that

711
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: would open you up to mimicry, which would fail. No. See,

712
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: that's it's a different sort of a situation because there

713
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: wasn't really that many people that did it before me.

714
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: So with my style of commentary is very different than

715
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: any other sport because I didn't really have it. I mean,

716
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: there was a couple of guys that had done it

717
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: before me, but not much. And you know they, you know,

718
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: they didn't have the amount of time in it that

719
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I do. So I've been doing it for so long,

720
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: and I've been doing commentary for the UFC since two

721
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: thousand two. I started That's when I started doing the commentary.

722
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,479
Speaker 1: But I started doing post fight interviews for the UFC

723
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: in nineties seven, so the sport was in its infancy

724
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: and I came along. When there's a lot of guys

725
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: that imitate me. For sure, they sound exactly like me,

726
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: But I don't mind. I consider it like a form

727
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: of flattery, I guess, but it's also, um, you know,

728
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing it the right I don't know, I guess

729
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: the right way. I mean, is there a right way?

730
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a right way. But will

731
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: you take yourself completely out of it. It's not like

732
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: a lot of guys doing It's not like basketball. It's

733
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: like twenty guys doing commentary like this, only like, here's

734
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: a guy named Jimmy Smith, he does bellator. There's a

735
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: couple other guys out there that do commentary. It's very

736
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: few boss routing, very few guys are doing it. So

737
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that, you know. I

738
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: had the thing happened to me like when as a writer,

739
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: when I when I was starting and writing, when I

740
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: was in graduate school, I read what I consider be

741
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: the greats, you know, the great nonfiction Writer's, a great

742
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: narrative nonfictionary, and then I got where I I understood

743
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: how that kind of how those stories work and how

744
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: you put a book together. Then I just really turned

745
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: my attention to my own projects that I wanted to

746
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: write about and just read source material, primary source material,

747
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, so not so reading scientific journals, you know,

748
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: academic stuff, historical accounts, historical journals, and just pulling from

749
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: that things that hadn't been interpreted by anybody yet, or

750
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: they've been interpreted by many people, but I wasn't reading

751
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: it through the lens of another person like me, and

752
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: I and the first book I wanted to write. I

753
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: wanted to write a book about the Great Lakes, Okay,

754
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: where I grew up. So I spent about a year.

755
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: I moved from Montana back to the Great Legs. My

756
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: dad had just died. I took his truck, rigged it

757
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: up for camping and just drove around, camping all around

758
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: the Great Legs and reading source material. And I wasn't

759
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: gonna read anything that any contemporary person wrote about the

760
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: Great Lakes. And I built up a bunch of things

761
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: that I that I found out about the Great Lakes

762
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: that I had never heard anybody say. I've never read it,

763
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, this will be this could be

764
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: a great book. One of the things I found out

765
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: was that this guy one time bought a bunch of

766
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: animals from a zudos closing, down loaded him on a barge,

767
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: and charged hundreds of people a dollar apiece to watch

768
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: him send the barge of animals over Niagara Falls. Yeah

769
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: so their death, Okay, So I was like, that's interesting.

770
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing I found out about that I read

771
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: about the Great Lakes is that when after Joseph Smith

772
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: was killed in Illinois, the Great you know, the Mormon

773
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: founder he was killing in Illinois, and there was a

774
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: power struggle between Brigham Young, who wanted to go out

775
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: of Salt Lake City took his fathers out of Salt

776
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: Lake City, and a guy named James Strange who had

777
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: just a handful of followers and took his followers up

778
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: to an island in Lake Michigan called Beaver Island, declared

779
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: it an independent state, and started to resort to piracy

780
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: what he felt was him collecting taxation owed to his

781
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: sovereign nation for people transporting goods around Lake Michigan. And

782
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: then he was later shot to death by his own followers.

783
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm gonna write a book that's gonna

784
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: have all this stuff, and then no one knows about.

785
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: And then one day this book comes out called No

786
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: This book comes out called the Great Lakes, and the

787
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: author's first name was a guy named Jerry. And I

788
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: read the book and it had in there the handful

789
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: of things that I thought I held on too. Okay,

790
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: with all the respect this guy, I don't think it was.

791
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a great book. I called a

792
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: friend of mine and was complaining about it, and he said,

793
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: you know, I can't think of one good book ever

794
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: written by a guy named Jerry, but which is a

795
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: little bit funny. So it was the book. I quit

796
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 1: my project. I stopped doing it. I didn't write the book.

797
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: I moved act in Montana, completely depressed as a writer,

798
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: completely defeated. Because I allowed myself to be like, oh,

799
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Speaker 1: someone else found these things out, even though he didn't

800
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: handle it the way I would have handled it. It

801
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't do it anymore. And from then on,

802
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I've been much more careful about um, much more careful

803
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: about what I allowed to come into my head, you know,

804
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: because it's for me just as a person who likes

805
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: to create material. UM, I have like a certain sensitivities man,

806
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, and and and so that's one thing like

807
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: I try not to I watched a lot of TV,

808
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: but I don't watch any TV that would have anything

809
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: do anything I would ever be involved with, which makes

810
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: me a lot of ways really behind the times. But

811
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: it's just like a defense mechanism, you know. Hunter Thompson,

812
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: when he was learning how to write, would write The

813
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: Great Gatsby. He would literally write it word for word

814
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: to get the rhythm, the music of the language. Like

815
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: he would like you write the entire book. So I've

816
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: read that and thought about doing it many times because

817
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: there's some things like there's some passages that you just

818
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: can't imagine that someone ever wrote, and I can see

819
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: that it's be like almost therapeutic to do it. But

820
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't think of that like they're, you know, like

821
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: twentieth century writers. I don't think of it as a

822
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: contemporary writer. For me, it'd be something I guess like

823
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: stuff that's been written in the last ten twenty years

824
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: is very difficult for me to read, unless it's if

825
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: it has something to do with what I'm talking about,

826
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: unless it's by like an anthropologist or something someone who's

827
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: not who's not a professional act translating information and turning

828
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: it into entertainment and turning it into Yeah, people who

829
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: are skilled at taking technical information and making it entertaining,

830
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm very afraid of. It's probably it's probably what people

831
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: technical information and turning it into entertainment, like I'm I'm

832
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: afraid of. It's almost like it's artical novelists. You're not

833
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: going to get the real history necessarily, even though they

834
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: can they can touch on the history of a subject

835
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: like if you read me on yours or someone like that,

836
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: great writer. But if you if you want to read

837
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: the history of like say, the Founding of Israel, which

838
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: he wrote, which is what Exodus is about, you don't

839
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: want to draw your historical knowledge from that book. But

840
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: that's not what he's saying. He's worried about his influence.

841
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: You checked out. You weren't even paying I was. I

842
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: was listening. I was listening. I know what he does.

843
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: He gets a d D on you and he val

844
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: and you want to tell you about a book that

845
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: he read so he can name drop the title. I

846
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: hear what he's saying. But he said it's based on

847
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: some ancient knowledge. No, but he said, he said technical

848
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: information into um. I just told you when you forgot

849
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: you weren't paying attention. You funk. I caught you. I

850
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: know what the funk happened. I've been following the No no, no,

851
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: no no. You were not listening to what he was saying.

852
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: You were totally taking out of context. You know exactly

853
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: what you were just doing. I wasn't. I wasn't busted.

854
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: What was he saying? What was he talking about? Just

855
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: before that? He's very careful about what gets into his

856
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: head in other words, in other words, after the experience

857
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: of the Great Legs and writing that book, I'm saying,

858
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: when you read the book that wasn't good by the

859
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: guy and he came back, you roll the present. He's

860
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: scrambled right now. Look at him doing it. I was

861
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: following it because it's kind of relevant to the struggle

862
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: you have when you try to be a writer or

863
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: a stand up comic or whatever. It's the same issue

864
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: where you have to become very guarded about influence and

865
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: also in a way what you think about. That's what

866
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: I thought. It was really interesting. That's what I thought

867
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: what you said was really interesting because I think it's

868
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: very relevant. People through sort of sort of little know.

869
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: You can tell I'm listening when I'm not saying it.

870
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: He pulled through because I pull through because I said something. No, no, no,

871
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: I was heart You're usually right, but this time I

872
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: was actually falling. Do you feeling standard? Can? Do you

873
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: watch a lot of standard? I love stand up comedy. Yeah,

874
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of stand up com Do you

875
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: ever find yourself saying like or not? Do you ever

876
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: catch yourself adopting someone else's methods? No? No, but because

877
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: I've been doing it so long. But when I first

878
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: started out, yeah, definitely, when I was when I was young,

879
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I was an open micro. I would catch myself sounding

880
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: exactly like certain comedians. I remember one time I was

881
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: on stage and I heard myself sounding exactly like this guy.

882
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: Richard Jenny, who was a very funny comic that a

883
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about, committed suicide a few

884
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: years back. And uh, she just was very depressed for

885
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of different reasons. But I think one of

886
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: his reasons for besides clinical depression, was that he just

887
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: was never recognized for the great comic that he was.

888
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: Like in the nineteen eighties, he was one of the

889
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: best comics alive for like a few years, really funny guy.

890
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: And I caught him then when I was first starting out,

891
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: like like around that's I started out in eighty eight

892
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: and he was just a monster back then, and for

893
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: whatever reason, history didn't didn't recognize him. Is great as

894
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: he was so much of comedy's rhythm to like, I

895
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: have to be careful if I'm going to perform and

896
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: somebody has a rhythm. I really liked davidof has a

897
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: specific rhythm I really like, so I can't watch him

898
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: because I'll fall into that rhythm. I know famous comedians

899
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: who won't I won't say who, who have been directly

900
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: influenced by you, or really well known comedians do really

901
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: well and they do like they'll do the girl. When

902
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: you do a girl like exactly like you, it's not

903
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: so much their fault. They obviously we're looking up to

904
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: you when they were younger, and now they're doing it,

905
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: and it's just an interesting You gotta kind of you

906
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: gotta be aware that what I get paranoid about is

907
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: being so influenced by a bit that it will find

908
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: its way into my stuff. So I don't. Yeah, but

909
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: I did a thing about bees and cars and yeah,

910
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: and and and Justin Kenny had done something really funny

911
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: ones and I came said, hey, dude, you so you

912
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: know I'm doing anything. I'm bes and cars, but it's different.

913
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: And I went through what I was doing and I

914
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: realized I had been way more influenced than I thought,

915
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: and I said, I stop doing that, you know. So

916
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: it's just it's weird when you take a guy on

917
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: the road with you and then they open up for you,

918
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: and then they start doing you. That's strange. I've had

919
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: to stop taking guys with me, having to stop working

920
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: with guys because they're like they're basically doing me before

921
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: I do me. That's weird because like young guys and

922
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: they're starting out, especially like they're really super easily influenced

923
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: and they want to be successful and so they're kind

924
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: of struggling a little bit and they see you go

925
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: on and kill it, and then they're like, funk, I

926
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: gotta do what he's doing. And so they start doing

927
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And then they start adopting subject matter,

928
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: and that's when it becomes problematic because they start stepping

929
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: on some of your material. Like if you're doing like

930
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: even obscure jokes, you know, doing a joke about a

931
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: jet boil canister, they'll start talking about jet boils. It's

932
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: a real problem. And sometimes they do it on purpose.

933
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys do it, especially guys who are like spiteful.

934
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: They do it because they want to sort of mess

935
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: up your punch line, so they take out the surprise

936
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: element of your subject matter. They'll it's called stepping on

937
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: your material. That's what everybody calls it. So like they'll

938
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: like say, if you have a joke about King Kong,

939
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: they'll do they'll talk about King Kong before you do

940
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: your joke about King Kong, purposely to try to tank

941
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: your material, knowing that you're gonna know that that's doing

942
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: on purpose. They're doing it on purpose. That's just a

943
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: weird thing about How is that not just like sabotage.

944
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: How's it not like cutting off your dick despite your balls? Man, Well,

945
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: they're they're just being they're just sabotaging themselves because you're there,

946
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: they're opening for you. Yeah, it doesn't matter. They're they're

947
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: in the moment. When they're in the moment on stage,

948
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: all they care about is trying to mess up your set.

949
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: Like just there's some guys that are influenced, and there's

950
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: some guys that are doing it on purpose. They influence guys.

951
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: It's a problem, but it's not as big as a

952
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: problem as the saboteurs, the guys who are trying to

953
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: sabotage your sets. Like That's one of the reasons why

954
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: I always take people on the road with me, because

955
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: if you show up in a town and there's like

956
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: local acts, like local acts are the worst. Like you're

957
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh for instance, and some fucking guys opening for you,

958
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: and he goes on the first night, he does his material,

959
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: then you your material, and in the next night he

960
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: does a bunch of subjects of the same subjects as you.

961
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: And you can tell these are like loosely pieced together

962
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: bits and he probably constructed last night just to try

963
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: to funk with your act man. Yeah, just because yeah,

964
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: because they're fucking jealous. You know, they're like good good.

965
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: That's one thing that you'll see all the time in

966
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: young comics. Young comics. There's some comics who were leving

967
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: like reverence for comics that have been around a while,

968
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: and there's some comics that are the opposite. They're like

969
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: that guy is not even that good. That guy sucks

970
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: that guy, And those the guys you have to watch

971
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: out for because those guys a lot of times are

972
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: delusional and they will try to sabotage your act. You

973
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: know what, Like mimicry is tough because it's probably ones.

974
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so many things, you know what

975
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you said, like a jet boil is

976
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: pretty specific, but I imagine it's you can always claim it.

977
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: It's like a joke about a guy and a girl

978
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: getting a fight in a car. You know, it's playing like, well,

979
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: how can you claim to home that. I remember when

980
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: we started out, when we started making and Wild. Then

981
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: right away we had this guy who was really pushing,

982
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: very aggressive for a while, that he had had his

983
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: ideas stolen because he had done this thing where he

984
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: goes down to a river bank and they catch a fish,

985
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: and he's got a table and a white tablecloth and

986
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: stemwear and stuff on it, and then he proceeds to

987
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: cook this fish and serve it like fine dining style

988
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: on a gravel bar. It was just adamant that somehow

989
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: we had stole his ideaous It's like helmet, you had

990
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: the I you patented, so to speak, the idea of

991
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: catching something and eating it you get, you get scripts

992
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 1: had it. Somebody sent me a script, and then another

993
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: guy sent me a treatment, and both of them with

994
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: it came a form I had to sign, an anti

995
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: plagiarism format, said him. I go, guys number one, here

996
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One is ideas or a diamond

997
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: doesn't any idea thought people thought of. It's a question

998
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: the execution of the idea, which is a whole Another thing.

999
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: A second of all, that's very amateurish. The idea that

1000
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm protecting it with this document and stuff

1001
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: like that. Well that's but first of all, before you

1002
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: see you further, I know dudes who have been ripped off.

1003
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: I know guys. I know a guy who fucking sent

1004
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: a script to Servester Stallan's company. They ed no go

1005
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: ahead because the guy eventually had to get credited for it.

1006
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: He sued and gotten one. They made the movie, and

1007
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: then after they made the movie, he won the case

1008
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: that they had to put him in as the writer ship.

1009
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: Did you get good money? I don't know. I mean,

1010
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: it's something that happens on a regular basis. They would

1011
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: rather you fight them in court. They take your idea

1012
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: and if they win, they don't have to pay you,

1013
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: and if they lose. It's it's common. It's common. It's

1014
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: common that you would bring a script to a production

1015
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: company or a big actor and it's a part of

1016
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: the business. Or you just sheel your premise and they

1017
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: just rework. It happens all the time. You can show premises. Yeah,

1018
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: you can pitch your show to a network and then

1019
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: there they're coming up of their own version of it,

1020
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: and ideas moved so much from the point of intent

1021
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: to what you actually wind up with that it probably

1022
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: after a while you probably feel like, if you're the steeler,

1023
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: you probably get the feeling like we've taken it so

1024
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: far now that it has nothing to do with the

1025
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: original idea. But then one could turn around and steel

1026
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: it yet. But that was the foundation, man like that

1027
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: set you into an act of building on and creating.

1028
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: So in some way you still owe me even though

1029
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: your stuff I made a you wound up with I,

1030
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't have gotten to I without my a.

1031
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things that that that lawyer isn't

1032
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: always to deal with is exactly that where somebody have

1033
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: an idea, then they get together somebody else as a producer,

1034
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: then they hire a writer who has a track record.

1035
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Now the writer and the producer take it and it

1036
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: becomes a completely different animal. But the guy who's originated

1037
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: not only the connection between the two and the whole

1038
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: idea is left out because he's not really that relevant

1039
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: anymore because and then they changed its idle love it

1040
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: and then he gets cut out completely. You know, they

1041
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: they're always there's always that possibility. It's a big possibility

1042
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: in a movie like that. And I don't know what

1043
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: I can say it, but lord, yeah, And and what

1044
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: happened was that the original writer, when I put the

1045
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: writer and director, my friend and the director together, they

1046
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: just took it and went completely different. I mean, it's

1047
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: not a word that was originally written about it in

1048
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: there really, besides maybe I think the character names or something.

1049
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: But he got credit. It went to arbitration and zag

1050
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: the screenwriter's guild gave him credit. Yeah, it does happen.

1051
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: It does happen. You know, it's it's it's tricky. You know,

1052
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: plagiarism is dirty businessman, and it's it's common. But they

1053
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: also influence, like just accidental influence is common as well.

1054
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: You know that that does happen. Very'm not sure, you know,

1055
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: I wanted there's a point I wanted to make. When

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00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about stand up, it really has not to

1057
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: do with people stealing people's ideas. But I think one

1058
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: thing that releases that's your comedy, apart from a lot

1059
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: of comedians I've seen, is um, I'm not trying to

1060
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: explain it to cult people at various times that so

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00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: many comics have a thing where their position is self loathing.

1062
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: Like that they're humors based on sort of a self loathing.

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: They turn self loathing into humor. And one thing that's

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00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: is kind of remarkable about your stuff is that, like

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00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: somehow you have comedy that comes from a position of strength,

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00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: which is difficult. Probably like you don't You're not up

1067
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: there putting yourself like here I am this miserable, sad sack,

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00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, which is great funny stuff. And a lot

1069
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: of the communities I like, like I think, like like

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00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: Louis c. K is a lot of like I loathe myself,

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00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, Norm McDonald like a lot of his funny

1072
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: stuff is like I loathe myself. I'm the punch line.

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00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: But you have like you're you're able to like make

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00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: comedy from another like a from a person, like as

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00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: a person who obviously doesn't loathe themselves, you're still able

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01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: to be funny when it seems like that's a very

1077
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: quick avenue to humor. Yeah, but this is humor. There's

1078
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: so many avenues to humor. It's humor is just here's

1079
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: the world through my eyes. If you really think things

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01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: are funny, you could figure out a way to translate

1081
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: that to an audience, and when someone is sitting there

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01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: watching you, what comedy really is is like a form

1083
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: of mass hypnosis. It's like you tune those people into

1084
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: what you think is funny, and if it works, everyone's

1085
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: laughing along with you. But if you lose the script

1086
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: at all, if you lose the feeling, or if you're

1087
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: saying things that you don't have any attachment to do,

1088
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: they fucking smell it. Man, They're animals. They're like, there's

1089
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: something wrong. The words are coming out correctly, the punch

1090
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: lines are delivered with the right amount of pause. But

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it, and they don't buy it. But

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: if it's what you think is funny, it's all like

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01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: if you genuinely think something's funny, and you can figure

1094
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: out a way to to concoct the words and arctick

1095
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: reulate the ideas, you know, there's no real there's no

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01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: real like pattern that every comic comes still follows. But

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01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: a lot of comedy comes from a point of of

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01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: real serious insecurity. That's where a lot of comedians come.

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Speaker 1: My trouble with girls, my wife, yeah, my trouble with

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01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: my physical appearance, yeah yeah, And then people can relate

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01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: to that because also people like the person on stage

1102
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: who's demanding all their attention and time. They like that

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: person to kind of be a loser so that they

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01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about them not being the person that's

1105
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: getting all the attention, especially men on dates. Men on

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01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: dates do not like like a handsome, good looking guy

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01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: delivering me, like a Chris d'eliah type character on stage

1108
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: or what was his name? No, not that, what's the

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: guy who went on stage? They's almost too good looking,

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01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: went on stage with Dane Cook all the time, and

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: the tourgasm. Gary Goldman. Gary Goldman is like six two

1112
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: six three huge, six six six okay, handsome, it's fuck

1113
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: perfect sculptured features and you know, just nobody wants to

1114
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: see that. Man. That's a good point. Man, I ever

1115
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: thought of that. You take your take your lady out

1116
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: and she's like, wow, this guy's amazing. Yeah, beautiful, fucking giant,

1117
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: handsome man. Yeah, it's better like a guy up they're

1118
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: a big fag out of there, talk about how he

1119
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: can't get a hard, bald, fucking shitty sneakers on. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want to see, some loser that my wife

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01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: has no interest in fucking if you are going to

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01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: make like like if you're if you're gonna talk about

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01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: being good, look at all you gotta you gotta kind

1124
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: of be like every man like me, Well, like I'll

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01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: pick up a stool. You were just telling us yesterday

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01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: how objectively you're the best looking man. I am, but

1127
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I perform with a shirt on in

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01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: this party, this group right here. You're saying, I think

1129
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: I probably if you had like Nassy come in and say, like,

1130
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: who's the best looking man has the best physical harmony

1131
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: and everything? He thinks that it's him. I don't know

1132
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: what he thinks that n that women more women will

1133
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: want to breed with Janice, even though Joanna isn't the

1134
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: best harmony person. Honest, the best looking guy. Look at

1135
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: his Look at his legs. He's got legs for days,

1136
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: He's got he's got beautiful hair. It's graying slightly, but

1137
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: it's mostly blonde. So that's kid. This thing is that

1138
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: he will actually think about that. Am I the guy

1139
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: in this room that a woman who wandered in would

1140
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: want to fuck like? He really liked wonder. That's ridiculous,

1141
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: he really does wonder. That's a ridiculous thing. Do you

1142
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: think that you've like concocted your humor as a response

1143
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: to trying to make women as happy as possible with

1144
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: H my my, I thank god. Sometimes I really spend

1145
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: an inordinate amount of time you did forty seven. It's

1146
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: funny wishing I was. I. Look, that's the difference you

1147
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: me and you, me and you my My humor is

1148
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: once the one guy works so hard to get the

1149
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: girl and then they go off. I make fun of

1150
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: those fus. Yeah, I get everybody else together and go

1151
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: check this ship out like this fucking dummy. Good good

1152
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: luck with the rest of your life with her. You've

1153
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: been fucking painting an act together, slopping together some bullshit

1154
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: more in her own personality. For me, it's more than

1155
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: women though. For me, it's more like the idea of everybody,

1156
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: like like, I've been thinking about the fact, you know,

1157
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: just just bone density or just like to I want

1158
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: to be Does that mean sink faster than first time?

1159
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: You have more scaffolding for muscle, and I want to

1160
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: be part of me dies every day. Bone density means

1161
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: it would sink faster than what actually means the thickness

1162
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: of the bones, the bones like that, how much marrow

1163
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: there is, so that how how thick the bones are themselves.

1164
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: You can actually change your bone density with heavy weightlifting,

1165
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: but actually have more first with high bone density, a

1166
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: graham of their bone ways heavier than So it doesn't

1167
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: mean like how big it is, just how density. Here's

1168
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: where the miss conception comes from, the variables. It's very slight.

1169
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: It's very slight. Human bones don't weigh much at all,

1170
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: like your entire Yeah, your entire skeleton is like you know,

1171
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: between like six and eight pounds. Yes, And the variable

1172
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: the variation between a full grown woman and a full

1173
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: grown man not that much. Most of it is muscle

1174
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: and tendons and organs and all that stuff. That's where

1175
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: most of your weight comes from. But there is a

1176
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: difference in bone density and more importantly in bone structure.

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: Because like, bone density is one thing, but a narrow

1178
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: guy like Callen will never be a wide guy will

1179
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: never be thick. Like, there's no way you can change that.

1180
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: You can't change the structure of the body. You can

1181
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: change the density, Like I could never be a thick neck, right,

1182
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: I could maybe be a hothead, but every thing, well,

1183
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: you could get your neck could get definitely get thicker,

1184
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: but you never get broad shoulders. The only way you

1185
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: would do that is, you know, you'd have to change

1186
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: your genetics somehow or another, which it is not outside

1187
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility. And there's something they're working on

1188
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: a daily basis. They're constantly fucking with the human body

1189
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out new ways that they can,

1190
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, influence genes and change this and alter that.

1191
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: And without a doubt, within our lifetimes, we're gonna see

1192
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: genetically modified human beings that all look like fucking hercules.

1193
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna happen if we stay alive for

1194
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: another fifty sixty years, I am indus, if we stay

1195
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: alive until we're like in our nineties, we will probably

1196
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: see some fucking freak human beings that look like the

1197
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: Hulk like people that exist, or seven foot tall people

1198
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: that are five hundred pounds that can jump over buildings.

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Speaker 1: It's on the way. They've already figured out a thing

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01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: called milestaton inhibitors. They figured out how to alter these

1201
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: and mice they happen in naturally, and when they breed

1202
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: whippets types of dog cows, it happens in cows too. Yeah,

1203
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of legal hurdles of this stuffs open.

1204
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. It's people are working with it. I mean,

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01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: there will be legal hurdles as far as like competition

1206
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: in the Olympics and things along those lines, but as

1207
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: far as like human beings altering their body for for

1208
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: a positive benefit. You mean post birth milestanton inhibitors. When

1209
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: they get these mice, the mice have twice as much

1210
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: muscle and live longer. They live longer, They could fucking

1211
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: run for days. They can do all kinds of crazy

1212
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: ship that other mice can't. They're super mice, and they

1213
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: figured out how to do this. They've altered the genes

1214
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: in the mice to make them do that. It's a

1215
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: matter of time before they start doing that with humans.

1216
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: A matter of a decade, two decades, whatever it is

1217
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: before they figure out how to really tap into that.

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: But the people that you see today, you know, natural

1219
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: people to just exist. Because Bob and Sally got together

1220
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: and had a kid, those are gone. Those they won't

1221
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: be here a hundred years from now or two hundred

1222
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: years from now. There will be you know, we will

1223
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: live in a world with superheroes, and it will be

1224
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: just like cell phones, where when cell phones first came out,

1225
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: it was only the wealthy they could afford them. It

1226
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: was like on Wall Street, see Michael Douglas got that

1227
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: stupid brick to his head and walking around like it's

1228
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: a status symbol and rap videos. Well, now you can

1229
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: go to the jum goal and you'll see people with little,

1230
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: tiny ass cell phones. Everybody has a fucking phone now.

1231
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: It's because as technology grows, as it exponentially gets more

1232
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: and more complex, and as innovation continues, you're seeing access

1233
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: to this technology slowly start to trickle down to the

1234
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: average every day folks. You're gonna see that with genetic engineering,

1235
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a thing. You wonder what what'll do,

1236
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: what it'll do to artistic expression, But you wonder what

1237
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 1: it does to artistic expression because I was gonna say that,

1238
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: Thank God, I do have those longings to be somebody else,

1239
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: because all my humor comes from the fact that I

1240
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: am compensating for you know, yeah, I got a great jawline,

1241
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: and my eyes are hypnotic. I'm gonna stretch. Um. My

1242
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: brother once observed that if a woman says, oh, he's funny.

1243
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: She likes Yeah, she's attracted to him, and she says

1244
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: he's nice. You know, yeah, it's pretty true. Man like that,

1245
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: who's the guy? He's funny? That means she wants to

1246
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: go out with the women have a hard time creating

1247
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: humor for the most part. It's obviously some very funny women,

1248
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: very funny women comedians. But Christopher Hitchins had this really

1249
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: interesting take on it, and he wrote an article I

1250
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: think it was a g Q. Who was that article

1251
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: in one of the one of the magazines Esquire? Maybe

1252
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: he wrote an article Vanity Fair. I think it was

1253
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair. He wrote an article about women aren't funny

1254
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: and women freaked the funk out butzine. But his take

1255
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: was that it's not that there aren't certain examples. Don't

1256
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: let him hold the mike, Jesus Christ. It's not that

1257
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't that there aren't the rare aberrations of very

1258
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: funny women. But for the most part, the funny women

1259
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: were very butchy, very dykey, very large and big, and

1260
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: their humor was mostly male. It was male oriented humor.

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: And that he wrote, yes, yes, not only did he

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Speaker 1: write it, but he defended it when criticized in this video.

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Speaker 1: It was brilliant. It was amazing. Yeah, because he was saying, like,

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Speaker 1: it's not that there aren't Sarah Silverman's or or was

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Speaker 1: she on the cover? Was she sort of like the

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Speaker 1: cover for this piece. Yeah, I believe like they're trying

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Speaker 1: to run around the criticism by by coming up with

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Speaker 1: the one aberration. But a lot of women also there

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Speaker 1: that are funny, or they're funny on a curve, they're

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Speaker 1: judged on a curve. It's like, compare them to like Kinderson.

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Speaker 1: There's no woman it's ever been as funny as Kinderson.

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Speaker 1: It's like Roseanne Barrs in my opinion, one of the

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Speaker 1: all time great comedians, and I put her up there

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Speaker 1: in the top ten all time greats male and female.

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Speaker 1: But she was fat and loud and fut cam shut

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01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: Apps set the funk down. That was her thing. Man.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't feminine in any way, shape or form. There

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01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: was nothing dainty. And in his analysis or his his

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01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: take on it, it was like, no, she's doing male humor.

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Speaker 1: She's not behaving like your stereotypical female. She's behaving like

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Speaker 1: a man. She's doing a man's version of He was

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Speaker 1: a bold. There's a book, a fantastic book about human

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Speaker 1: genetics and human evolution called Loan Survivors. So it came

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Speaker 1: out a weirdly. It came out just before the book

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: Loan Survivor, But Loan Survivors about why are you? Why

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Speaker 1: are we the only humans on Earth? So like what

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01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: happened to all the other you know, because at times

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Speaker 1: you had many human forms all running around at the

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Speaker 1: same time, sometimes on the same continent, like when Neanderthals

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Speaker 1: and humans were coexisting in Europe. Lon Survivors And there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of points in his book when he's talking

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: about human migrations and other things, there's a cold point

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Speaker 1: of this book. He would say, basically, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot more interesting things I could tell you about, but

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01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: it's career suicide to discuss these things. He just won't

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Speaker 1: say it. He won't say things about like when he's

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Speaker 1: talking about what forms like just like distribution of certain

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: gene types and stuff. He's like his career suicide to

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Speaker 1: discuss that, I won't discuss it. That's what Stephen Pinker.

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Speaker 1: That's what Stephen Pinker writes about in in the Blank Slate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you as an academic come up with

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Speaker 1: ideas that suggests that people are born differently physiologically and

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01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: especially mentally. Good luck because he was just physiology and

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: he was afraid to say it and exactly and and

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01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: there are people now that are tackling that because the

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01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: science is so overwhelming. On the other side, I mean

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Speaker 1: David Epstein's book Um Um The Sports Chain, I mean,

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: he makes a clear case that if you are you're

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Speaker 1: not sprinting. And you could never said this before, but

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Speaker 1: the evidence that you're not sprinting in the World Championships

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Speaker 1: with the Olympics and a hundred or two hundreds or

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Speaker 1: at least a hundred if if you are not, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: You're not meddling. You're not meddling people in the past

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Speaker 1: twenty years unless you are of West African descent and

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Speaker 1: a specific areas that that could be sited racist. Not

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01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: only that, but you're talking about a good thing right

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Speaker 1: Like it's crazy, Like you say all black guys have

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Speaker 1: big dicks. You're a racist. Isn't that a good thing?

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01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: I have a big dick? Like what am I? If

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Speaker 1: I was saying all black dicks taste like fucking turpentine,

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Speaker 1: then that would probably be racist, right, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. But I'm saying it's a good thing. But

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Speaker 1: he was a Nebraska coach or whoever who said we

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Speaker 1: we don't have enough speed in our team. And he said,

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Speaker 1: we gotta start getting some black backs on this team.

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Speaker 1: Black guys. Yeah, yeah, And there was a huge uproar.

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Speaker 1: They asked him, what do you need to change it?

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Speaker 1: As well? You need to get some more black players, right,

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Speaker 1: and guess what they looked at they looked at They

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Speaker 1: looked at all the top running backs and defensive backs

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Speaker 1: in the NFL and and d one ball. Guess what

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Speaker 1: they were they were? They were primarily black? Right now,

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Speaker 1: How is that racist? Just when you're talking about something good? Right,

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Speaker 1: the same way, the same way that the majority of

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Speaker 1: world champion Uh, because it reinforced is like an impression.

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Speaker 1: I think it reinforces an impression. No, the idea that

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Speaker 1: they're better athletes, well more more more, I think some

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: people aren't comfortable about that because it trivializes other attributes,

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01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: because it's more important, more import than that would say.

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Speaker 1: It goes against the Marxist ideal ideology, the terms that

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: we all start as equal, that that some people are

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01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: born different and with advantages. It what it does, it

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: highlights the fact that inequality exists in nature, even among people.

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01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: That is a very touchy subject because it was used

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01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: by the Nazis and other people to justify the destruction, subjugation, enslavement,

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01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: etcetera of people. You're Jewish, therefore you are of inferior blood.

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: It goes back to kings and queens. You were you

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01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: were only allowed to breed with a note with someone

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01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: of noble blood. But why when you're talking about superior

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: attributes is it racist? It's not unless you you were

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: in a board meeting for your company and you're like,

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01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: let's name the ten greatest inventions of the last hundred years.

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01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: And then then people rattle off like what they from

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01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: their perspective, what they regard to be the ten greatest inventions.

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: So they got like the computer, you know, the microchip

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01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: or whatever you got car who came up with all that? Way, guys,

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Speaker 1: what this company needs. I can't help it. It's just true,

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01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: this company needs some white guys. Well, why would be like,

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Speaker 1: you're why would that be racist? Where I can tell

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Speaker 1: you what, but why why would it be racist? If

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Speaker 1: it was a fact but it's not a fact. In

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Speaker 1: other words, that's what you're talking about, one very specific thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's created what or invented what. But

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about some specific facts and you're talking

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Speaker 1: about you know, okay, here's a perfect example. How many

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Speaker 1: European Jews have won Nobel Prizes? A fucking half half.

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Speaker 1: So if you said, you know, hey, our university wants

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Speaker 1: to in a Nobel Prize, I want to get one

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Speaker 1: of our professors. What do we need to do? We

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Speaker 1: need to get some European Jews on staff. Is that stereotypical?

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Speaker 1: Or is that? Is that? What is that? Well, because

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Speaker 1: I think it would apply. It would The application is

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Speaker 1: that other people's ability to contribute is limited based on that,

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01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: and we sort of we and in some ways. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that I'm not I'm not telling

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Speaker 1: I'm offended by this because I know you're just you're

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01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: just voicing concerns. I'm just saying I think that people

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Speaker 1: would feel that you're saying that that other's ability is limited,

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Speaker 1: And by focusing on what traditionally is produced, you're creating

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01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 1: sort of a static environment where that thing will continue

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Speaker 1: to happen, and you're not opening it up for other

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: people to have new outcurrent, Right, But how can you

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Speaker 1: say that when you're talking about something like sprinting where

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Speaker 1: the fucking numbers are so overwhelming. What is it We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have like affirmative action for sprinters and only have

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Speaker 1: a bunch of white sprinters because black guys are two

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Speaker 1: into Well, we're gonna lower the times now that we're

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01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna give them a hunted the yard head start. Like

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01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: white guys just suck at running, so we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: is We're gonna make it really easy for white runners.

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Speaker 1: It's racist if you don't. Otherwise you're gonna have all

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Speaker 1: black people winning sprinting. And you know, you can really

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: could turn it in that direction. But blcome, these European

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01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: Jews are doing so well, well, it's because we haven't

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01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,560
Speaker 1: given these other people a better chance. You need affirmative

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01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: action with inventions, and if you come up with an invention,

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01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: you gotta fucking hand it over to some Yugoslavian guy

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01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: with a fucking head wound, because none of those have

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Speaker 1: ever come up with ship. But the statistic, the delineation, though,

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Speaker 1: the distinction is the distinction is to one is. One

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01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: is genetic, which you can prove evolutionary botherls can prove

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01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: with the amount of fast twitch muscle and things like that.

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: The other is cultural. And so when you talk about

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Speaker 1: for example, I believe half of almost half of all

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Speaker 1: Nobel Prize winners were Jewish have been Jewish, which is

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Speaker 1: an incredible number. But then you have to look at

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01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: the culture. Then you have to then then there's so

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Speaker 1: many different factors in that aspect. So so you know,

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Speaker 1: you would look at what is esteemed in the culture, education,

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Speaker 1: being original, having to be original, otherwise, country, hard work,

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Speaker 1: all of us. I think it was Jared Diamond looked at.

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Speaker 1: I think it doesn't look like pressures against you know,

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Speaker 1: Jared Diamond did an amazing job of first of all,

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Speaker 1: saying that the reason he looked at why when he

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Speaker 1: was in Papoa, New Guinea, one of his the guys

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Speaker 1: who was working was said, why do you white people

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Speaker 1: have everything and us black people have nothing? And that

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Speaker 1: sent him on a twenty year odyssey to figure out

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Speaker 1: why it was that some nations excelled others day in

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Speaker 1: this primarily Northern Europe, Europe and sub Subaharan Africa. And

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Speaker 1: why didn't sub to Hearan Africa. Not so much of

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01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: it had to do with geography. So much you had

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Speaker 1: to do with whether you had access to domesticated animals,

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Speaker 1: um edible grasses, and the environment, what disease did to you,

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Speaker 1: all those kinds of things, I mean, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: masterful job of proving that that. It had to do

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Speaker 1: more with also your your access to other people. We

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Speaker 1: borrow from other people. Any tribe that was isolated, like

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Speaker 1: the the the Highlanders of New Guinea who are isolated

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Speaker 1: for forty thousand years, stayed prem because they were they

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01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: didn't have access to other people's ideas. Human beings share

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: ideas and that's where they grow um and we share

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01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: ideas more importantly from completely different environments, different cultures where

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01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: you have a lot of people, where you have long

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: latitudinal lines, where you have people with a similar climate,

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01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: can share material. You advanced faster than people on a

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Speaker 1: thing where it's oriented longitudine e. Where when I figure

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Speaker 1: out something here down in the south of our land,

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01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't really apply to you up there. So like

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Speaker 1: a landmask that has on a map appears horizontal, advances

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01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: faster than a land mask that appears vertical. Look at

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01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: Africa because you're figuring it out in the Amazon. There's

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01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: some dude up in the Great Plains could give a

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: shit about there's no bearing on them. Africa, Africa and

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01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: the Middle East what they call the Fertile Crescent, the

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01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: North Africa and the Middle East where so much where

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01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: writing came. We know a lot of writing, uh, domesticated animals, barley, weed,

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: all those things, and there was a thriving population. What

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01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: you had. The reason it didn't come down to to

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01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, Africa, Equatorial Africa is because you had the desert,

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01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: the Sahara Desert and then in penetrable jungle. Then you

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01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: get down to South Africa and that was that was temperate.

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01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: So so wherever there was trade and people were able

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01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: to go and not you know, and share ideas about

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01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: dying of yellow fever and stuff like that. It was

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01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: totally different. But what's fascinating about Jared Diamonds work was

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01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: that you take a highlander from New Guinea who's been

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Speaker 1: isolated for forty thousand years and there's no tradition of writing,

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Speaker 1: reading or arithmetic. You take that They took a kid

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Speaker 1: who had had came from none of that, none of that,

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Speaker 1: And he went to a regular you know, Western schooling

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Speaker 1: and by the time he was whatever fourteen fifteen, he

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: was reading and writing and doing arithmetic on the same

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Speaker 1: level as any Northern European. That's very interesting because what

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Speaker 1: that says it is the malleability of the human brain

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Speaker 1: and the fact that the Highlanders may not be sharing

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Speaker 1: the same intellectual tradition, but they are having to use

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Speaker 1: their brain. They are having to figure out what grasses

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Speaker 1: are readible? What then, what the weather is gonna do tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: how are they gonna hunt? So they're still using their brain.

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Speaker 1: That that that matter. First time I ever had a podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why don't we actually wrap this up? This is almost

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Speaker 1: Is there any toilet paper left? Um? Answer? Tuning in

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Speaker 1: this podcast is held as long as he could. He

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Speaker 1: has to leave to go out of the rain. He's

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Speaker 1: got the kit. You know. One thing that Brian, I

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Speaker 1: want to close on one note, Brian is I was

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Speaker 1: talking about fast twitch and slow twitch muscle and remind

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Speaker 1: me of something my brother is just telling me. He's

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Speaker 1: a he's an ecologist, a lout of fish. When you

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Speaker 1: cut a salmon flame in half, and you see how

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Speaker 1: you got all that, like the pink flesh on the

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Speaker 1: salmon flay, and then you have that little bit of

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Speaker 1: brown it's kind of like people sometimes called the bloodline,

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Speaker 1: but a little bit of brown flesh in the center

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Speaker 1: of the flay up against the skin. What you're looking

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Speaker 1: at is that little bit of brown stuff is slower

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Speaker 1: twitch muscle, and all of that pink is fast twitch muscle.

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Speaker 1: And when that sam and just swimming through the ocean,

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Speaker 1: he's just using that little bit of brown stuff and

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Speaker 1: all that pink stuff is for what his holy ship

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Speaker 1: moments of when he splits. That's like the ratio of

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Speaker 1: like if you look at a turkey, how he's got

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Speaker 1: the dark meat, you know, winging leg, dark meat, and

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Speaker 1: then he's got that white flesh. So you're looking out

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Speaker 1: a salmon that interesting. Thanks for tuning in. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: just hope that they either gets better. Let's go, honey,

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Speaker 1: you might not get Let's just go hunt. H