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Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons I don't know
Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical doubt, and so
Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you follow both of my podcasts or not,
Speaker 2: but I also have We Don't Die Radio. The difference
Speaker 2: between the two that and Shades of the Afterlife is
Speaker 2: We Don't Die Radio. I concentrate on interviewing guests about
Speaker 2: why they believe in the afterlife. They're usually long episodes.
Speaker 2: I record them on video, put them on YouTube, and
Speaker 2: here on Shades of the Afterlife. Less interviews and more
Speaker 2: of me reporting in on the Afterlife. But every so
Speaker 2: often there is a guest that is so extraordinary and
Speaker 2: their story is so important to hear that I just
Speaker 2: feel I need to share it on both my podcasts.
Speaker 2: The gentleman you're going to meet in just a moment.
Speaker 2: His name is Bob Ginsberg. He's created what's called the
Speaker 2: Forever Family Foundation. He'll tell his story about starting it
Speaker 2: after his daughter passed in a car accident. But since then,
Speaker 2: his wife has passed, he's lost everything in a hurricane,
Speaker 2: and he's really suffered through grief, and with that he
Speaker 2: continues to do so much. So I think you'll agree
Speaker 2: it's worth repeating, So let me tell you about him.
Speaker 2: Robert Ginsberg is the co founder of Forever Family Foundation,
Speaker 2: a global not for profit organization. Over the years, he
Speaker 2: has met and interviewed hundreds of scientists, researchers, medical doctors, academics,
Speaker 2: and mediums who believe that our consciousness survives physical death.
Speaker 2: Bob hosts Signs of Life Radio Show and is the
Speaker 2: past editor of Signs of Life magazine. He also heads
Speaker 2: the Foundation's Medium Evaluation certification program and writes a blog
Speaker 2: at Beyond the Five Senses dot com. He's the author
Speaker 2: of the books The Medium Explosion, A Guide to Navigating
Speaker 2: the World of those who claim to Communicate with the Dead,
Speaker 2: and his latest book is titled My Life Here and There,
Speaker 2: a Journey that transcends time and space. Bob and his
Speaker 2: wife Fran who is now in spirit, and Forever Family
Speaker 2: Foundation are currently featured in the Netflix series Surviving Death.
Speaker 2: His website is Forever Familyfoundation dot org, where science and
Speaker 2: spirituality work hand in hand to bring comfort to the bereaved.
Speaker 2: So let's listen to Bob tell his story.
Speaker 3: If we go back twenty years ago, pretty much exactly
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, I was a totally different person than
Speaker 3: I am now. I was a left brain, logical thinker.
Speaker 3: I never gave much thought to the afterlife. We were
Speaker 3: having a conversation then I would have dismissed the afterlife
Speaker 3: as a fantasy, a wishful thinking. And I said, because
Speaker 3: you know what could possibly survive. You know, we are
Speaker 3: our brains. Our brains produced consciousness and therefore, when our
Speaker 3: brains are no more aware, no more, and then you know,
Speaker 3: tragedy struck. And even though I didn't so quoted believe
Speaker 3: in the afterlife, my son and my daughter were in
Speaker 3: a car accident and my wife woke up at three
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning the day of the accident, and
Speaker 3: she was trembling and shaking and ash and white. And
Speaker 3: I said, what's the matter. And she just stared straight
Speaker 3: ahead and she said, something horrible is going to happen today.
Speaker 3: And I said, well, you know, what does that mean?
Speaker 3: You know, she said, I can't tell you other than
Speaker 3: the fact that our lives are going to be changed
Speaker 3: forever today. And I took it seriously, because you know,
Speaker 3: my wife was I mean, she wasn't a medium, but
Speaker 3: she was an intuitive person. And there were many things
Speaker 3: that happened in our lives together that I couldn't explain.
Speaker 3: She would have these visions and premonitions and so forth,
Speaker 3: and they were all good things. But logic told me
Speaker 3: if she was right, then she could be right now.
Speaker 3: So I did what most parents would do, and I
Speaker 3: watched over our three children during the day, and one
Speaker 3: was back at college, the other was going to college
Speaker 3: the next day, and my youngest one was working a
Speaker 3: part time job, and as the day progressed, I let
Speaker 3: my guard down, and you know, we went out to dinner.
Speaker 3: It faded for my awareness and I dismissed it. And
Speaker 3: of course, you know, on the way home from the restaurant,
Speaker 3: my son and my daughter were involved in the accident
Speaker 3: and my daughter didn't survive and my son had had
Speaker 3: very serious injury. So later on, you know, my son
Speaker 3: was in a coma. He emerged and it was queer
Speaker 3: that he was going to survive. I kind of hit
Speaker 3: me because, you know, as you might expect, you're in shock,
Speaker 3: you know, for quite a while. And I said, wait
Speaker 3: a second, like, how did fran know? How did my
Speaker 3: wife know? Because I saw her she knew that this
Speaker 3: was going to happen, although she didn't have the details.
Speaker 3: So that started me on a quest. I mean, I'll
Speaker 3: call it a quest, but it was probably more of
Speaker 3: an obsession. I had to know. I had to find
Speaker 3: out how she knew. That was the first thing, and
Speaker 3: then I had to find out if it was possible
Speaker 3: that my daughter still survived in some form. And then
Speaker 3: I started crisscrossing, mostly in the United States, meeting with
Speaker 3: medical doctors and scientists and researchers and authors and people
Speaker 3: in the field, trying to see if there's any evidence
Speaker 3: from credible people that had letters after their name, that
Speaker 3: studied consciousness, that suggested that we do, you know, we're
Speaker 3: more than our physical bodies. And I found the evidence
Speaker 3: to be overwhelming and compelling, to the point where I
Speaker 3: couldn't believe where nobody knew about this. I mean, how
Speaker 3: is it, you know, kept secret? And one thing led
Speaker 3: to another, and you know, we started the foundation in
Speaker 3: two thousand and three and we gathered scientists and mediums
Speaker 3: and academics, you know, on various boards, and we like
Speaker 3: to think of ourselves as a convergence of science and spirituality.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, what I found doing the work is that
Speaker 3: sometimes I'd be interviewing physicists and you know, which was
Speaker 3: kind of out of my league, and I said, well,
Speaker 3: they sound a lot like the spiritualists I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: There was essentially talking about the same thing coming from
Speaker 3: a single point of light and life and passion and
Speaker 3: love you know, on the other side, and how we're
Speaker 3: all connected. So there's not that much of a difference
Speaker 3: as people might think. You know, between science and spirituality.
Speaker 3: I've been learning every day, so you know, we're not
Speaker 3: grief therapists, you know, and we're very careful, but the
Speaker 3: information that we provide has been helpful to the people
Speaker 3: that are breathing because, I mean, let's face it, if
Speaker 3: you've lost somebody close to you, the only thing that
Speaker 3: gives you any hope or comfort is the thought that
Speaker 3: they still survive in some form. So if you could
Speaker 3: show them reasons why this is probable, you know, it
Speaker 3: brings some comfort. Plus the fact that you know, we
Speaker 3: try to force their people to have their own personal
Speaker 3: experiences and I don't have to tell you how that
Speaker 3: could flip one's perspective on life and death because they have.
Speaker 3: If you have this profound experience, I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be a near death experience. It could be
Speaker 3: a profound and evidential medium reading. That could be a
Speaker 3: dream visitation, that could be a multiple multitude of different things.
Speaker 3: It really can make a big difference in one's grief.
Speaker 3: And it's been shown that, you know, as published in
Speaker 3: peer review journals, that the studies show that those who
Speaker 3: believe in life after death do better in their grief
Speaker 3: than those who don't. Then that makes a lot of
Speaker 3: sense to me because that's the only thing. That's the
Speaker 3: only thing that gave me any hope. That's a long
Speaker 3: winded answer to your question. I'm sorry for taking up
Speaker 3: so much time.
Speaker 2: Now this is about you, so more of you and
Speaker 2: less of me is fine. Did your daughter come through
Speaker 2: in the early days, through mediums or anything when you
Speaker 2: got involved with this, when you started, well, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean my daughter was coming through like Gangbusters and
Speaker 3: all sorts of after death communications. The problem was, since
Speaker 3: I didn't believe in an afterlife, I dismissed everything. You know,
Speaker 3: my wife was having these unbelievable, profound experiences, and I
Speaker 3: was grateful for that because I was sort of living
Speaker 3: vicariously through her because I knew she wouldn't never lie
Speaker 3: to me, and she was having these experiences. Meant my
Speaker 3: daughter still existed. But I still spent years and years,
Speaker 3: admittedly as somewhat of a hypocrite, because here I am,
Speaker 3: you know, giving talks about evidence of an afterlife and
Speaker 3: I still didn't fully buy in. It was it was
Speaker 3: as if I was trying to convince myself. But eventually,
Speaker 3: you know, I moved from that stage of hope to
Speaker 3: belief and into knowing, you know, and it took a
Speaker 3: long time to get to that knowing stage. So yes,
Speaker 3: my daughter was coming through even though I wasn't recognizing
Speaker 3: like true after death communications. Over a period of about
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, I journaled everyone, But over
Speaker 3: a period of about four years, I had seventy four
Speaker 3: dream visitations for my daughter, and you know, and they
Speaker 3: were true visitations in every sense of the world. They
Speaker 3: were tactile. I could talk to her, I could see her,
Speaker 3: I could hug her, I could kiss her, we could
Speaker 3: have a conversation. So that was my you know, lifeline.
Speaker 3: I felt very fortunate to have that. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I've discussed them and written about them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: They were all as a matter of fact, because my
Speaker 3: wife encouraged me to journal every experience that I had
Speaker 3: or that she had. There was some point where I
Speaker 3: had to gather up all my notes because somebody had
Speaker 3: asked me to contribute to a book and I started
Speaker 3: looking and I even, just to show you how dement
Speaker 3: that I am, I took all my notes of these
Speaker 3: experiences and I consulted with a statistician because I wanted
Speaker 3: to find out the odds against chance of all these
Speaker 3: things really occurring. And when I had twenty million to
Speaker 3: one shots, I had to relent and throw out my
Speaker 3: hands and say, you know what, I have to follow
Speaker 3: the evidence. I have to be true to my word.
Speaker 3: This is the evidence. It's true. A lot of people
Speaker 3: take the path if science lots of times can open
Speaker 3: one up to recognizing all these things that are happening.
Speaker 3: Because I needed that foundation, you know, of belief. And
Speaker 3: once I had that, then I started to get my
Speaker 3: own different types of after death communications and so forth.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we were both fortunate that she was a
Speaker 3: good communicator.
Speaker 2: I think, as being human, we are hardwired not to believe,
Speaker 2: because I've been at this since the mid nineties and
Speaker 2: I still wake up in the morning kind of pinching
Speaker 2: myself it's all real, you know, And then another miracle
Speaker 2: I call them comes in and I know this is
Speaker 2: the real deal. But I just don't think being human,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we're tied into this game called life
Speaker 2: least I don't know. Maybe you can live twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven just believing it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate what you're saying. And you know what,
Speaker 3: I was somewhat surprised that over the years, and you know,
Speaker 3: having conversations with countless numbers of mediums, and some of
Speaker 3: them extremely good practitioners, and they would say to me,
Speaker 3: you know what, Bob, there were times that I wake
Speaker 3: up and I question if this is real? And I'm like, really,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like I didn't want to hear that
Speaker 3: at the time it on, because you know, I want
Speaker 3: you to absolutely believe. But as you say, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: We're human. You know, we have human emotions and plus
Speaker 3: you know, our upbringing and social influences and educational influences
Speaker 3: or religious influences, you know, I mean, they're all part
Speaker 3: of who we are. And we're taught to question things
Speaker 3: that we can't perceive with our own physical senses, and
Speaker 3: that's instilled deep and you know into our consciousness.
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Speaker 4: And now here's more Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 2: and we're hearing from Bob Ginsburg, who co founded the
Speaker 2: Forever Family Foundation with his wife Frem. So let's hear about.
Speaker 3: Fred friend dragged me through this. Yes, I'm a co
Speaker 3: founded with her of the foundation, but it was really
Speaker 3: all her, you know. I mean I was here, just
Speaker 3: there along for the ride. I mean, obviously as the
Speaker 3: years went by, I took more and more responsibilities. But
Speaker 3: she created everything that we do. I mean, she created
Speaker 3: the foundation, she created or you know, the medium certification program,
Speaker 3: and then you know, the radio show and publishing a magazine,
Speaker 3: which I after she passed, I couldn't keep up with that,
Speaker 3: so we don't. We don't do that anymore. And then
Speaker 3: we we'd hold annual conferences you know, across the United States.
Speaker 3: That took a lot of work. So she was wearing
Speaker 3: a lot of hats, and she literally worked eighteen hours
Speaker 3: a day, seven days a week. Never took I mean,
Speaker 3: we could never go on vacation or anything because even
Speaker 3: if I grabbed her for a couple of days, I
Speaker 3: couldn't get her off the you know, the computer and
Speaker 3: worrying about this and that. So that became her life.
Speaker 3: And I understood that she felt that her whole life
Speaker 3: previous to this was building up to that point. So
Speaker 3: I never would have even thought to do this work,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, without her. And then I when
Speaker 3: she got sick, I mean, she got very sick, very quickly,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't really It takes over your whole body,
Speaker 3: you know, And I couldn't really have many conversations with
Speaker 3: her because she wanted to keep that positive mental latitude,
Speaker 3: you know, that she wasn't going to die, and at
Speaker 3: what the things we were doing, you know, were going
Speaker 3: to help and so forth. But I got to have
Speaker 3: a few conversations near the end, and I said, what
Speaker 3: do you want me to do with the foundation? You know,
Speaker 3: you need to tell me. I'll do whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: so I don't know at one point, which is so
Speaker 3: totally not like her, because she was like a workaholic
Speaker 3: and like a force of nature and everything that she
Speaker 3: got into. She looked at me and she says, why
Speaker 3: don't you just have a big party? You know. It's like,
Speaker 3: actually a big FM party were exact words, you know.
Speaker 3: So I was like, that was not her, you know
Speaker 3: talking but but but I was able to identify the
Speaker 3: core things that we do that she wanted me to continue,
Speaker 3: and that's that's what we're doing. And fortunately she laid
Speaker 3: out the blueprint. I just continue to plug in the
Speaker 3: pieces and following her direction and we keep growing. And
Speaker 3: so it's like a testament to her vision. But now
Speaker 3: we've got fourteen thousand members, you know, across across the world,
Speaker 3: and you know, everything that we do is well populated.
Speaker 3: And so that just shows you that there's such a
Speaker 3: great interest in the work, you know, that you and
Speaker 3: I and everybody else does. And plus the fact that
Speaker 3: as people my age, you know, baby boomers, start to
Speaker 3: get closer to their physical demise, a lot of people
Speaker 3: are questioning things that they never question before. They questioning
Speaker 3: their own mortality and could there be a possibility. So
Speaker 3: it's not only grieving people that are interested in the worker,
Speaker 3: it's people that are curious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I got in to your has friend
Speaker 2: come through either through mediums or in dreams like your
Speaker 2: daughter has.
Speaker 3: After Frand passed, they said, oh, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: knowing us, they you're going to get signs like crazy,
Speaker 3: And I really didn't. For whatever reason, I think that
Speaker 3: a friend knew like what a hard headed guy I
Speaker 3: was when I came to this stuff. So she kept
Speaker 3: trying to think of things that were not easy to do,
Speaker 3: things that she knew that I could not question, you know,
Speaker 3: on my own. I mean, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 3: A friend, for whatever reason she had her hands were
Speaker 3: very soft and silky and swat. I love to hold
Speaker 3: her hand. You know, it sounds corny, but I loved
Speaker 3: all the had so to the point where I was
Speaker 3: a pest, you know. So she I was always driving,
Speaker 3: and she was always in the passenger seat, and I'd
Speaker 3: always hold out my right hand, you know, for her
Speaker 3: to you know, like she usually grab a hold of
Speaker 3: my thumb, you know, and that all was right in
Speaker 3: the world. I felt comfort and you know, all that
Speaker 3: stuff after that. So after fran passed, every single time
Speaker 3: for the first I'd say year and a half, I
Speaker 3: would say out loud to her friend, show me, so
Speaker 3: I need you to do this, Just grab my hand,
Speaker 3: my thumb, you know, and I'd hold out my thumb
Speaker 3: like an idiot. You know. People would turn up, pull
Speaker 3: up next to me and had a red light and
Speaker 3: I'd be having my thumb out, you know, and talking
Speaker 3: to somebody, imaginary person, I thought, and nothing like a
Speaker 3: year and a half, I asked nothing, never anything. And
Speaker 3: then one day I said out, well, look I don't care,
Speaker 3: I really need this. You gotta do this with me.
Speaker 3: You got to find a way. And with that I
Speaker 3: felt not only grasped my thumb, somebody grasped my thumb,
Speaker 3: but there was a vibrant energy in the base of
Speaker 3: my thumb and my whole hand was vibrating, and the
Speaker 3: energy just had moved up all the way, you know,
Speaker 3: to the top of my thumb, you know, and then
Speaker 3: back down again. And these communications, you know, they come
Speaker 3: with the sense of knowing there was no question in
Speaker 3: my mind. You know that, you know, nothing had ever
Speaker 3: happened like this before in my life, you know. And
Speaker 3: here I am asking her for a year and a
Speaker 3: half and it finally happens, and it lasted, I'd say,
Speaker 3: for a good It wasn't like fleeting. It lasted for
Speaker 3: a good ten to fifteen minutes, and then it gradually
Speaker 3: went away. And of course despite me I still asking it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not happened since, you know, because she
Speaker 3: would be saying, look, don't be an idiot. I gave
Speaker 3: you what you wanted. It takes a lot of work.
Speaker 3: I can't do it again. That to me, The way
Speaker 3: I reason that out is that's something she would do.
Speaker 3: It's something that I could not question, you know. So
Speaker 3: I've had some dream visitations, not as profound as the
Speaker 3: ones that I you know, that I had with my daughter.
Speaker 3: I get certain signs that I recognize, but it's not
Speaker 3: something that comes very often.
Speaker 2: She could be just so close, always with you, and
Speaker 2: I can't imagine once we get there. You know, I've
Speaker 2: got my belief, so what the afterlife is like, and
Speaker 2: that eavesdrop would be with our loved ones and witness
Speaker 2: things in her life and show signs and manipulate energy
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, like it's all possible, but how
Speaker 2: difficult is it?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: There truly no time over there? So they know it's
Speaker 2: a blink of an eye, will be together? Do they
Speaker 2: want us to live our life fully and not keep
Speaker 2: relying on them? Those are only answers we're going to
Speaker 2: get once we get there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I'm sure it's a question that
Speaker 3: you get all the time, because we certainly do. And
Speaker 3: people say, well, why don't I get signs? You know?
Speaker 3: And and everybody else? Even when we hold these grief retreats,
Speaker 3: sometimes I have mixed feelings and in these group settings
Speaker 3: and we have a discussion about after the communications and science,
Speaker 3: because you have people that are sitting there that get
Speaker 3: very few, if any signs, and and other people that
Speaker 3: seem to get them on a daily basis, and then
Speaker 3: you know the ones that don't get them. Questionable, does
Speaker 3: this mean that my loved one doesn't love me? You know?
Speaker 3: Or of course not. But as you just hinted at,
Speaker 3: you're an entity of thought and energy. Can't be easy,
Speaker 3: I mean I think that there are mediums on the
Speaker 3: other side that help our discornet loved ones to communicate.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, there are people that can communicate right
Speaker 3: away for whatever reason, but others, you know, it takes
Speaker 3: nothing comes through for quite a long time, and then
Speaker 3: it starts, you know, to come through. So I wish
Speaker 3: I had the answer, you know, as to why some
Speaker 3: people don't get science. But I tend to think that
Speaker 3: it's it's a learning process. Plus the fact that I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot to do there. I mean, we're
Speaker 3: constantly learning and progressing and exposed to all different things,
Speaker 3: and we can just by thought alone, migrate among the
Speaker 3: you know, the universe. I mean, plus the fact that
Speaker 3: they know that this physical existence is just a tiny
Speaker 3: blip and that you know, they're going to see us again,
Speaker 3: and they're not in grief and it's not as profound
Speaker 3: as what we think it is, you know. So they
Speaker 3: know that we'll put in our time here and we'll
Speaker 3: do our learning, and you know, we'll move on. So
Speaker 3: but certainly for those that don't get scientists, not the
Speaker 3: doesn't have anything to do with the love or the
Speaker 3: bond that you had with somebody.
Speaker 2: No, nothing at all. And I also think too, they
Speaker 2: do come to us and in very subtle ways. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I've seen like a slide show in my mind just
Speaker 2: before I go to sleep of things I did with
Speaker 2: my dad, and my brain couldn't do those images that fast,
Speaker 2: And sometimes I just get this feeling or just a memory,
Speaker 2: and I think those are just a little easier to
Speaker 2: do calling signs that our loved ones are with us,
Speaker 2: but we human beings just blow them off. That's just
Speaker 2: our imagination. But that's how mediums work. That's how it works.
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes we get so caught up in
Speaker 2: social media and our mind thinking about the past or
Speaker 2: worried about the future, that we can't get in that
Speaker 2: present moment we are, when we dream, we are just
Speaker 2: before we fall asleep, and that might be the way they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as you said, sometimes the signs of these
Speaker 3: communications and signs are very subtle, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's not like somebody hitting you over the head with it.
Speaker 3: You have to be in that accepting, you know mode
Speaker 3: and recognize it for what it is. And even though
Speaker 3: it may seem subtle, it takes a lot of work
Speaker 3: on their end to make it happen absolutely well.
Speaker 2: I'd love to find out about some of the things
Speaker 2: you're up to. First of all, you and France started
Speaker 2: and you continue a long time radio show called Signs
Speaker 2: of Life. Do you have any idea how many episodes
Speaker 2: are out there, because.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We've been doing it weekly since two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: and all the episodes are archived on our website with
Speaker 3: a search engine, So if you plug in somebody, you know,
Speaker 3: and if we've interviewed them over the years, you know,
Speaker 3: they'll pop up. I mean, originally I was doing it
Speaker 3: was purely an interview show, and I was just you know,
Speaker 3: interviewing people in our field. But that was so demanding
Speaker 3: because I refused to interview anybody unless I read their
Speaker 3: book if they if they're a published author, you know, first.
Speaker 3: And so I had to read, you know, four sometimes
Speaker 3: five books per month, you know, with everything else that
Speaker 3: we're doing. I mean I had books all over the house,
Speaker 3: had books in the bathroom and books on my night table. Everybody,
Speaker 3: so I went to a book and then I slowly
Speaker 3: developed the skill of speed reading. So that's the only
Speaker 3: way that I get through it. But after doing it
Speaker 3: for so many years is and I can't keep this up.
Speaker 3: So now we have any different We have five different
Speaker 3: formats of the show. You know. We have one week
Speaker 3: one of our certified mediums host the Mediums and Messages show,
Speaker 3: and its simply listeners can call in and get many
Speaker 3: readings from one of our certified mediums. We have a
Speaker 3: medium interviews. You know, the mediums don't do readings, but
Speaker 3: you get into the mind of the medium by listening
Speaker 3: to the interview. We have a personal Experiences show. I
Speaker 3: still do some interviews, so but that took a big
Speaker 3: load off of my plate and people get exposed to
Speaker 3: many different things. So that's but you know, we continue
Speaker 3: to do that. I host with two co hosts a
Speaker 3: show at the beginning of each month called The Gathering,
Speaker 3: and it's really just like a big after life discussion
Speaker 3: group where people call in with their questions or email
Speaker 3: and their questions or personal experiences and we talk about those.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been doing it, but just something we
Speaker 3: can't stop. We've been doing it for so long, you know.
Speaker 2: So if you google top after life podcasts, you'll find
Speaker 2: that Signs of Life with Bob Ginsburg is number one
Speaker 2: afterlife podcast out of sixty. Number two is the Dead
Speaker 2: Life with medium Allison Dubois and number three is Shades
Speaker 2: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. So we keep in
Speaker 2: good company. It's time for our next break, and when
Speaker 2: we come back, we'll hear about Bob's blog and his books.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
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Speaker 4: Stay there, Sandra will be right back.
Speaker 2: Hi. This is Wuija board expert Karen A. Dolman, and
Speaker 2: you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
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Speaker 1: And now back to Sandra Champlain and Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,
Speaker 2: and this is Bob Ginsburg, co founder of Forever Family Foundation,
Speaker 2: and I asked him about his blog and his books.
Speaker 3: You know, I was always a frustrated writer, and I
Speaker 3: was an English major in college. You know, I wanted
Speaker 3: to be a journalist, and you know, my guidance counselor
Speaker 3: sent me to a university that she said had a
Speaker 3: great journalism department. I got there, I enrolled, I got settled,
Speaker 3: and I found out they didn't have a journalism bombs,
Speaker 3: you know, so much for guidance counselors, you know. But
Speaker 3: I went and as life happens, I went in different
Speaker 3: directions and I never got to write. So I built
Speaker 3: a business over the years, and I used to do
Speaker 3: the next best thing. I used to use my advertising
Speaker 3: skills to help, you know, build the business. That was
Speaker 3: my one way of writing, so to speak. And then
Speaker 3: after I retired from my real corporate job, I had
Speaker 3: more time and I started, you know, I was always
Speaker 3: writing stuff the foundation, you know, all of our you know,
Speaker 3: literature and so forth. And then I got the idea
Speaker 3: to write a book, and I wrote the book, and
Speaker 3: I wrote the second book. And then there's a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff not connected to the Foundation that I would
Speaker 3: like to get out there. So I just started you know,
Speaker 3: that blog Beyond the Five Senses dot com, just so
Speaker 3: my head doesn't explode, just to get some thoughts out there,
Speaker 3: you know, and you know, keep writing. It's always been
Speaker 3: a big part of my life, but it remained, you know, hidden.
Speaker 3: So now I get to sort of fulfill what I
Speaker 3: really should have been doing all these years. You know,
Speaker 3: if I was a writer, I wouldn't have made any money.
Speaker 2: But what line of business were you when you said court.
Speaker 3: I owned an insurance agency for forty something years. You know,
Speaker 3: so it's totally that's a totally left brain. And you
Speaker 3: know what, in the twenty years that I was still
Speaker 3: you know involved, you know, in the agency, none of
Speaker 3: my clients knew about the foundation. Because I'm not the
Speaker 3: type that I don't try to convince anybody. I respect
Speaker 3: everybody's feelings. If given the opportunity, you know, it was
Speaker 3: a client, I'll bring it up and I'll just you know,
Speaker 3: throw out there what some stuff that I've learned, and
Speaker 3: you could do with it what you want. I remember
Speaker 3: every once in a while, like when that Netflix documentary
Speaker 3: came out, all of a sudden, I started getting phone
Speaker 3: calls from clients in mine that I've had for thirty
Speaker 3: forty years, and I'm like, what was that you that
Speaker 3: I just nobody had better? But I always kept that part,
Speaker 3: you know, separate friend. On the other hand, we were
Speaker 3: complete opposites in every way. It's amazing. Like they say,
Speaker 3: opposites a tract. I guess that's true. But you know,
Speaker 3: she would use every opportunity that she had, no matter
Speaker 3: where we were. It could be a restaurant, there could
Speaker 3: be a doctor's office, you know, to try to educate
Speaker 3: people into the stuff that we, you know, we were doing.
Speaker 3: I was more of a reserved, you know kind of person,
Speaker 3: and I never did that, but you know, the foundation
Speaker 3: sort of got me out of my shell sort of
Speaker 3: because I was, especially after fran passed, I was was
Speaker 3: to do things that I never had to do but
Speaker 3: they needed to be done. So then I you know,
Speaker 3: and then would writing the books and stuff, and then
Speaker 3: the documentary has started doing more interviews and so forth.
Speaker 3: But I'm still not totally comfortable with it. But I
Speaker 3: do it, you know, and you get better at it
Speaker 3: through the years.
Speaker 2: And oh, you definitely do yeah, and you can drop
Speaker 2: those little seeds and if people pick them up and
Speaker 2: they want to know more, they can or they might
Speaker 2: just say, oh great, Yeah, this is definitely not something
Speaker 2: we can put on other people. So many people ask me,
Speaker 2: you know, how can I convince my loved one this
Speaker 2: is real? It's like my best advice is let them
Speaker 2: come to you. You know, we can't. I was a
Speaker 2: hardcore skeptic once and I used to really laugh and
Speaker 2: make fun of people that believed in this and there
Speaker 2: was nobody that could convince me. But I think it's
Speaker 2: our own journey as being a human that eventually we
Speaker 2: start asking these questions.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, so what kindred skeptics?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: But you know that there is a difference between a
Speaker 3: closed minded skeptic and an open minded skeptic. I mean,
Speaker 3: open minded skepticism is a good thing because we should question.
Speaker 3: Because of your own question, you're not going to fully
Speaker 3: be convinced, you know. So you look for all the
Speaker 3: physical explanations, and when they don't exist, the only thing
Speaker 3: left is a spiritual explanation, you know, such as near
Speaker 3: death experiences and deathbed visions. You know, this is a
Speaker 3: prime example, or terminal lucidity, you know, a sudden awakening
Speaker 3: with somebody that's totally you know, mentally and physically incapacitated.
Speaker 3: You show up one day about a week or so
Speaker 3: before they pass or just before they're passing, and they're
Speaker 3: totally lucid. It's as if they were never sick. And
Speaker 3: I've experienced that in my own family. And you think
Speaker 3: it's a miracle, you know, and then there is no
Speaker 3: medical or scientific explanation for that. It doesn't exist. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's not possible, and yet it happens, you know, and
Speaker 3: I believe it's because we all have escorts to the
Speaker 3: other side, you know. I mean, you know, whether we
Speaker 3: can communicate that to others or not, it's just the
Speaker 3: way that it is. So, you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: these things is you know, you can't dissect them in
Speaker 3: a laboratory. Traditional science doesn't lend itself to these spontaneous
Speaker 3: types of events. But then the anecdotal evidence is beyond overwhelming.
Speaker 3: You know, millions and millions and millions of people can't
Speaker 3: keep experiencing the same thing, you know, without you paying
Speaker 3: people paying attention to it. You know, even though it's
Speaker 3: so called anecdotal, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what it is about human beings that we
Speaker 2: think were the center of the universe and whatever we
Speaker 2: experience here and planet Earth is it? Because you know,
Speaker 2: when you think of the ever expanding universe, which is
Speaker 2: mind blowing, where if we get down to the quantum level,
Speaker 2: all we are is invisible vibrating energy. That's mind blowing.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't understand how dreams work, where is consciousness?
Speaker 2: All these questions. Yet it's so easy to say, well,
Speaker 2: science hasn't proved it yet you know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: got to think out of the box. Think out of
Speaker 2: the box, Bob, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, certainly everybody in the work that we
Speaker 3: do things out in the box exactly. Well, one day
Speaker 3: out of your box will become the norm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It does help to hear these stories that
Speaker 2: are coming from credible people and not that your everyday
Speaker 2: person that doesn't have a PhD, et cetera and so
Speaker 2: forth isn't just as valid. But when we start hearing
Speaker 2: medical doctors and what they witness in the operating room,
Speaker 2: and there's so many cases of these visions that people
Speaker 2: have weeks and days before they pass, stories from hospice
Speaker 2: doctors and nurses, and to hear some of those types
Speaker 2: of stories, I think it just helps lend a good
Speaker 2: word to all this stuff is real. And how comforting
Speaker 2: is it that loved ones come to help us across
Speaker 2: the veil. I find that really exciting and comforting.
Speaker 3: I totally agree, you know, and they find this very
Speaker 3: inventive in the way that they come through. You reminded
Speaker 3: me of because when you asked about if I had
Speaker 3: any communications from France. One of the mediums that have
Speaker 3: been certified by our foundation for many many years as
Speaker 3: a hobby not connected to her mediumship, did electronic voice
Speaker 3: phenomena and she would do that consistently, and she was
Speaker 3: very close, you know, with Fran. And then after Fran passed,
Speaker 3: she said, would you mind if I ask friend and
Speaker 3: spirit connected to EVP a series of questions every week
Speaker 3: to see if we get anything. And I said, no,
Speaker 3: go ahead, and she would send me the audio recordings,
Speaker 3: you know, after she did them. And you know, with EVP,
Speaker 3: some of them you have to listen really hard, you know,
Speaker 3: but some are fairly clear. And in one of the EVPs,
Speaker 3: she said, what is the name of the organization that
Speaker 3: you founded? And you hear faintly but clearly, you know,
Speaker 3: Forever Family Foundation, you know. And then on another day
Speaker 3: it happened to be my birthday and she said, do
Speaker 3: you have a message for Bob? And you hear happy birthday.
Speaker 3: I mean it, listen. A lot of EVPs can be dismissed,
Speaker 3: as you know, as anomalies, but those that you can hear,
Speaker 3: they're really really compelling evidence because it's something that we
Speaker 3: can perceive with our physical sentence. Sentence. We didn't read
Speaker 3: about it in a book didn't come through a third party,
Speaker 3: you know, as a medium. So what we're actually hearing,
Speaker 3: you know what we said, and we have it on
Speaker 3: recording tapes. So I don't dismiss the body of evidence
Speaker 3: from electronic boy phenomena and instrumental transcommunication. It's it's really valuable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exciting to see things coming. I want to
Speaker 2: talk to you about your books because I know we
Speaker 2: share a passion of good mediumship. So you've got The
Speaker 2: Medium Explosion, A Guide to navigating the world of those
Speaker 2: who claim to communicate with the dead? How did you
Speaker 2: start that? And getting.
Speaker 3: The first thing that I noticed when we got into
Speaker 3: this work was that there were an awful lot of
Speaker 3: mediums that called themselves mediums that really did had very
Speaker 3: limited ability, you know. I mean, I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: they were fraudulented, the certain small percentage are, but they
Speaker 3: just they were intuitive as we all are, but they
Speaker 3: had limited ability, if any, you know, to communicate with
Speaker 3: the dead. So I met with some well recognized you know,
Speaker 3: scientists in the field that study mediumship, and I kind
Speaker 3: of picked their brains and they helped me to develop
Speaker 3: our own certification process. So, you know, we've been doing
Speaker 3: that consistently since two thousand and five. So obviously over
Speaker 3: those years I've witnessed I can't tell you how many
Speaker 3: medium breedings Between that and you know, the work and
Speaker 3: the foundation and demonstrations and so forth, and mediums I
Speaker 3: don't have to tell you they have a lot of
Speaker 3: responsibility because they're sitting with grieving people that are just,
Speaker 3: you know, just on the edge of belief. Is this
Speaker 3: afterlife just a crop, you know? Or is it real?
Speaker 3: And if they go in and they get a horrible
Speaker 3: medium breeding, it does more damage. You know, they're in
Speaker 3: worse shape than when they got there. On the other hand,
Speaker 3: a really evidential mediumship reading can change their lives for
Speaker 3: the better, have profound influence on the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3: So as a resource for the Bereave, we set up
Speaker 3: our own evaluation system. Now, I had no idea when
Speaker 3: we started, like how many people would gain certification, like
Speaker 3: percentage wise and not. What I found consistently over the
Speaker 3: years is that only between ten and fifteen teen percent
Speaker 3: of the mediums that we evaluated, you know, gain certification,
Speaker 3: which meant that eighty five to ninety percent did not.
Speaker 3: And that didn't make me very popular in the mediumship community.
Speaker 3: But you know, I felt that would you want this
Speaker 3: practitioner sitting with your you know, your loved one, charging
Speaker 3: a lot of money and having a long waiting list
Speaker 3: or not, you know, and we needed to have It's
Speaker 3: not to say that our process is full proof, but
Speaker 3: what we found over the years that the mediums that
Speaker 3: we certified are more consistent. They rarely have ever, you know,
Speaker 3: failed to connect and the evidence. And you know, we
Speaker 3: have five different scoring methods that we use and they
Speaker 3: have to meet the minimum guidelines in each of the
Speaker 3: five scoring methods, and a medium with marginal ability is
Speaker 3: just simply not going to be able to gain certification.
Speaker 3: It's really tough, but that's the way it has to be.
Speaker 3: So the problem is that a lot of the mediums
Speaker 3: that we certified over the years have gone on to
Speaker 3: become famous. And you know, when when a medium becomes famous,
Speaker 3: very often they do fewer and fewer readings, they charge
Speaker 3: more and more and more money, and the waiting list
Speaker 3: before you know it is three four years. So you know,
Speaker 3: that doesn't do us any good.
Speaker 2: It's time for our next break. But I'm really grateful
Speaker 2: that Bob certifies mediums and he's going to do more
Speaker 2: of it. Unfortunately, the mediums on his site have gone
Speaker 2: on to be famous, so they are very expensive. At
Speaker 2: the highest price I would ever pay would be about
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars, and even that is a little bit
Speaker 2: steep for the grieving. So I am on a mission
Speaker 2: to change that, and I know Bob is too. You're
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain
Speaker 2: and you can find out more about Bob Ginsburg and
Speaker 2: his foundation at Forever Family Foundation dot org.
Speaker 3: Membership and the foundation is free as well. We don't
Speaker 3: want to deprive anybody of information because of money. So
Speaker 3: been on the under pressure for many, many years I
Speaker 3: still am you know, to charge start charging for membership,
Speaker 3: even if it's a phenomenal amount. But I keep resisting
Speaker 3: it because I it's not the kind of thing I
Speaker 3: want to charge for. But people can donate, right yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's how we survive. I mean, and people are
Speaker 3: very generous and small donations add up. Every once in
Speaker 3: a while, you've get a big donation. And you know,
Speaker 3: my wife used to say, like every time we were
Speaker 3: running low on money, like the universe would take care
Speaker 3: of it, you know, all of a sudden we'd get
Speaker 3: a big check in the mail and so forth. But
Speaker 3: because now because we have so many members, it feeds
Speaker 3: everything else. There's more donations are events. So we have
Speaker 3: four grief retreats a year, and they sell out within
Speaker 3: two weeks after I post them, and I post them
Speaker 3: like almost seven eight months in advance, you know. And
Speaker 3: that I attribute to the Netflix because we allowed Netflix
Speaker 3: to film one entire retreat in Connecticut. They got there
Speaker 3: Friday afternoon and they stay stay till Sunday night.
Speaker 2: So you've got a new book, my life here and
Speaker 2: there a journey that transcends time and space. Do you
Speaker 2: want to talk to us about that?
Speaker 3: So? Again, I've letter kind of called life, you know,
Speaker 3: going to college in the late sixties and you know,
Speaker 3: love and peace and all that stuff, and done a
Speaker 3: lot of different things over the years, and I always
Speaker 3: like to write. So the first part of the book
Speaker 3: is really an accounting of my life. At times, I'm
Speaker 3: sure that it might make people cry, and sometimes people
Speaker 3: might laugh their asses off. You know. I've added to
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that they'll here. But I always
Speaker 3: felt the way to back into telling people about the
Speaker 3: afterlife would have more impact in a novel form. So
Speaker 3: I had some criticism because in the middle of the book,
Speaker 3: or towards the second half of the book, I die
Speaker 3: in a plane crash on the way to one of
Speaker 3: our conferences. And then I explained, which is partly based
Speaker 3: on fact, you know, my work with a physicist. You know,
Speaker 3: we had developed a system between the two of us
Speaker 3: where one of us would be able to communicate with
Speaker 3: absolute clarity, you know, from the other side. But I
Speaker 3: had people like friends of mine that like was searching
Speaker 3: the internet to find out if I really die, because,
Speaker 3: as I said, okay, well that means that the writing
Speaker 3: was good because you believed it, you know, And of
Speaker 3: course so here I am, you know, writing about what
Speaker 3: the afterlife is like. Obviously it's just based upon all
Speaker 3: my reading, you know, and experiences and what I've heard others.
Speaker 3: But it's a way of opening up people's minds to
Speaker 3: what things might be like like on the other side.
Speaker 3: And that thus the title my wife here and there,
Speaker 3: because it's my life in both places.
Speaker 2: So not only have you gone through grief this way.
Speaker 2: When that hurricane hit down where you lived, you lost
Speaker 2: part of your house, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we had massive damage, but you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, I lost besides the major parts of
Speaker 3: the house and lost that all the belongings. You know.
Speaker 3: That means fifty sixty years of photos and all legal
Speaker 3: documents and all foundation documents, you know, because I had
Speaker 3: the office and you know when they moved to the house.
Speaker 3: So it was a heavy hit. But as I tell people,
Speaker 3: I was kind of stressful and it was aggravating, but
Speaker 3: after what I had been through, I was surprisingly calm
Speaker 3: throughout the whole thing, because there is a world of
Speaker 3: difference between losing a loved one and losing material things.
Speaker 3: The two can't be compared, you know, So I've already
Speaker 3: been through the other parts several times. You know. So
Speaker 3: this was I don't want to say it was a
Speaker 3: walk in the park, but it was. It was manageable,
Speaker 3: and I understand. I mean, most of the people that
Speaker 3: are on the island that I live, you know, that
Speaker 3: lost everything. I didn't want to diminish their grief, because
Speaker 3: it is grief. Grief of your home and all your
Speaker 3: belongings is a form of grief. But I had the
Speaker 3: so called luxury of being able to put that in
Speaker 3: perspective because in a big picture, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it does not, you know. So I was able to
Speaker 3: get through it, and eventually I was fortunate to find
Speaker 3: construction crews working around the clock. And you know, now
Speaker 3: my home is totally rebuilt. So in retrospect, how many
Speaker 3: times do we things happened to us during the course
Speaker 3: of the day that we think is monumental. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: You hear people talking sometimes I want to choke people.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you're not going to remember this
Speaker 3: two days from now. You know, you want to know profound,
Speaker 3: you know, brief and so forth. But again it's you know,
Speaker 3: we're all human, and we all have egos, and we
Speaker 3: all have wants and needs, So I get it, you know,
Speaker 3: I was like that. I think that having grief losing
Speaker 3: someone does provide even though it's hard to recognize for
Speaker 3: a lot of people for quite some time, it provides
Speaker 3: some meeting and purpose that didn't exist before. Things that
Speaker 3: were very important, not mainly material things don't have the
Speaker 3: same cachet as they once did, you know, because that's
Speaker 3: not what's truly important. As they say, you're not taking
Speaker 3: it with you, right, we're not.
Speaker 2: I think grief has the power to put us on
Speaker 2: that spiritual growth, giving us answers. I also know grief
Speaker 2: has the power to make us want check out of life,
Speaker 2: and even if we don't physically do that, I think
Speaker 2: people can die inside. So any information that we can
Speaker 2: give to help people along the road. I know you've
Speaker 2: got a link on your website for grief as well
Speaker 2: as well as everything that you have, so it's a
Speaker 2: good place to start. Let me remind everyone Forever Family
Speaker 2: Foundation dot org. Bob, anything else you'd like to share,
Speaker 2: because I'm finding our time really wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you want to invite me back
Speaker 3: and anytime we can get into anything that you want.
Speaker 3: I mean, we could talk about the individual disciplines of
Speaker 3: research and so forth, and you know how people can
Speaker 3: you know, can try to transform their grief and so forth.
Speaker 3: But no, I mean, I it's a pleasure talking with you,
Speaker 3: and I think we got in the most of the points.
Speaker 3: Then you cover them quite well. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Any closing words for our listeners or viewers.
Speaker 3: No, I just you know, I often urge people, and
Speaker 3: I was guilty of it. Is that we never, you know,
Speaker 3: take the time to just experience anymore, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean then you watch people, even when they're sight seeing
Speaker 3: or they're near something. I mean that they get so
Speaker 3: stressed over getting the perfect photo. You know, you go
Speaker 3: to a restaurant and you see a party of ten
Speaker 3: and everybody, all ten people are on their phones at
Speaker 3: the table. You know, it's like we never just experience
Speaker 3: things for what they are. I mean, I've replaced things
Speaker 3: that I used to enjoy with sitting out on my
Speaker 3: dack pre dawn and waiting for the sun to rise
Speaker 3: and you know, listening to the birds and watching the
Speaker 3: vibrant colors and so forth, and that's that's my adrenaline.
Speaker 3: You know, things like that, I just would urge people
Speaker 3: to always try to step back and just experience, because
Speaker 3: there's so many things that are happening around us that
Speaker 3: we just simply refuse or unwilling to recognize that that
Speaker 3: can really do a lot for us.
Speaker 2: All I agree one hundred percent. My mom and I
Speaker 2: owned a thirty plus year catering company that we traveled
Speaker 2: the country cooking for race car teams, cooking for eight
Speaker 2: hundred to fifteen hundred people. It was big organization shut
Speaker 2: down due to COVID. She developed breast cancer. She's fine,
Speaker 2: but it turned our life upside down, and so we
Speaker 2: ended up getting a house. I'm looking over the woods
Speaker 2: every day, Bob. I go out and feed the birds.
Speaker 2: I get wild turkeys and the chipmunks and squirrels, and
Speaker 2: I must have two hundred hummingbirds by the gallons of
Speaker 2: nectar that I'm putting out.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And for thirty years I wasn't present to the miracle
Speaker 2: of life. And I can tell you my heart is happy,
Speaker 2: it's full. It's being with my mom who's growing older
Speaker 2: and she's just the love of my life in extraordinary conversations.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we need to wait to have
Speaker 2: that happen like we can actually stop and smell the
Speaker 2: roses as they say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and that I always said, I'm very poor
Speaker 3: at meditation. You know, I'm in a formal meditation the
Speaker 3: way I think it's supposed to be. But when I'm
Speaker 3: sitting out on the deck watching the suncom of that's meditation,
Speaker 3: you know, or you know, I mean meditation comes in,
Speaker 3: you know, in music and art and nature, and you know,
Speaker 3: we all meditate in different ways. And after friend passed,
Speaker 3: I started playing golf again, and the people in the
Speaker 3: golf club, you know, think that I'm a total antisocial
Speaker 3: person because I always play by myself. I don't want
Speaker 3: to play with anybody else because it's a form that's
Speaker 3: a form of meditation for me. I just walking through
Speaker 3: the nature and the course and you know, thinking of things,
Speaker 3: and I don't want the pressure of competing or anything else.
Speaker 3: So it's another form of meditation. Meditation just comes is
Speaker 3: all around us if we want to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm reminded of a guy that I met. Had
Speaker 2: been on a cruise of a group of people and
Speaker 2: we stopped and I think maybe Saint Thomas, I'm not
Speaker 2: exactly sure, but we went to one of the private
Speaker 2: beaches and there was an old security guard and he
Speaker 2: had the long dreadlock and he was telling me stories
Speaker 2: and reciting poetry and these just beautiful things that resonated
Speaker 2: with my soul, and that I stupidly asked him if
Speaker 2: he took a course and learned how to write that
Speaker 2: way or if this was somebody else's works, and he says, Honey,
Speaker 2: I just watched the waves and it all came to me. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: being present being with nature amazing. Well, Bob, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for being our guest today, and let's plan
Speaker 2: another interview because then we can delve into something else
Speaker 2: you want to talk about. I just I'm left wanting more,
Speaker 2: and I think that's a good thing. Well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I enjoyed it very much. I respect
Speaker 3: the work that you do and I was very happy
Speaker 3: to be on the show tonight.
Speaker 2: And thank you Bob from Forever Familyfoundation dot org. Incredible man,
Speaker 2: incredible story through all of that grief that he just
Speaker 2: keeps going and he just keeps giving lots of gems
Speaker 2: of wisdom. For sure. In this episode. One of the
Speaker 2: best ways I feel to know that your loved ones
Speaker 2: truly are around is to take a class in mediumship
Speaker 2: to learn to quiet down, to learn the different ways
Speaker 2: they communicate with our soul. And it seems counterintuitive because
Speaker 2: we think they're going to plant images in our mind
Speaker 2: and not always. Most of the time they are subtle
Speaker 2: feelings within us, and it's like peeling an onion. There
Speaker 2: are different layers. It's a beautiful opportunity to learn to
Speaker 2: work with your soul. And I tell you there are
Speaker 2: miracles that happen in our online classrooms. Of course, we
Speaker 2: practice on each other and you may just receive that
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