1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Hi. 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons I don't know 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical doubt, and so 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I don't 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: know if you follow both of my podcasts or not, 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: but I also have We Don't Die Radio. The difference 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: between the two that and Shades of the Afterlife is 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: We Don't Die Radio. I concentrate on interviewing guests about 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: why they believe in the afterlife. They're usually long episodes. 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: I record them on video, put them on YouTube, and 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: here on Shades of the Afterlife. Less interviews and more 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: of me reporting in on the Afterlife. But every so 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: often there is a guest that is so extraordinary and 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: their story is so important to hear that I just 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: feel I need to share it on both my podcasts. 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: The gentleman you're going to meet in just a moment. 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: His name is Bob Ginsberg. He's created what's called the 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: Forever Family Foundation. He'll tell his story about starting it 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: after his daughter passed in a car accident. But since then, 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: his wife has passed, he's lost everything in a hurricane, 33 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: and he's really suffered through grief, and with that he 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: continues to do so much. So I think you'll agree 35 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: it's worth repeating, So let me tell you about him. 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: Robert Ginsberg is the co founder of Forever Family Foundation, 37 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: a global not for profit organization. Over the years, he 38 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: has met and interviewed hundreds of scientists, researchers, medical doctors, academics, 39 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: and mediums who believe that our consciousness survives physical death. 40 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: Bob hosts Signs of Life Radio Show and is the 41 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: past editor of Signs of Life magazine. He also heads 42 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: the Foundation's Medium Evaluation certification program and writes a blog 43 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: at Beyond the Five Senses dot com. He's the author 44 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: of the books The Medium Explosion, A Guide to Navigating 45 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: the World of those who claim to Communicate with the Dead, 46 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: and his latest book is titled My Life Here and There, 47 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: a Journey that transcends time and space. Bob and his 48 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: wife Fran who is now in spirit, and Forever Family 49 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: Foundation are currently featured in the Netflix series Surviving Death. 50 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: His website is Forever Familyfoundation dot org, where science and 51 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: spirituality work hand in hand to bring comfort to the bereaved. 52 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: So let's listen to Bob tell his story. 53 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: If we go back twenty years ago, pretty much exactly 54 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: twenty years ago, I was a totally different person than 55 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: I am now. I was a left brain, logical thinker. 56 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: I never gave much thought to the afterlife. We were 57 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: having a conversation then I would have dismissed the afterlife 58 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: as a fantasy, a wishful thinking. And I said, because 59 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: you know what could possibly survive. You know, we are 60 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: our brains. Our brains produced consciousness and therefore, when our 61 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: brains are no more aware, no more, and then you know, 62 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: tragedy struck. And even though I didn't so quoted believe 63 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: in the afterlife, my son and my daughter were in 64 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: a car accident and my wife woke up at three 65 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning the day of the accident, and 66 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: she was trembling and shaking and ash and white. And 67 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: I said, what's the matter. And she just stared straight 68 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: ahead and she said, something horrible is going to happen today. 69 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: And I said, well, you know, what does that mean? 70 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: You know, she said, I can't tell you other than 71 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: the fact that our lives are going to be changed 72 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: forever today. And I took it seriously, because you know, 73 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: my wife was I mean, she wasn't a medium, but 74 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: she was an intuitive person. And there were many things 75 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: that happened in our lives together that I couldn't explain. 76 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: She would have these visions and premonitions and so forth, 77 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: and they were all good things. But logic told me 78 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: if she was right, then she could be right now. 79 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: So I did what most parents would do, and I 80 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 3: watched over our three children during the day, and one 81 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: was back at college, the other was going to college 82 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: the next day, and my youngest one was working a 83 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: part time job, and as the day progressed, I let 84 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: my guard down, and you know, we went out to dinner. 85 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: It faded for my awareness and I dismissed it. And 86 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: of course, you know, on the way home from the restaurant, 87 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: my son and my daughter were involved in the accident 88 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: and my daughter didn't survive and my son had had 89 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: very serious injury. So later on, you know, my son 90 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: was in a coma. He emerged and it was queer 91 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: that he was going to survive. I kind of hit 92 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: me because, you know, as you might expect, you're in shock, 93 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: you know, for quite a while. And I said, wait 94 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: a second, like, how did fran know? How did my 95 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 3: wife know? Because I saw her she knew that this 96 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: was going to happen, although she didn't have the details. 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: So that started me on a quest. I mean, I'll 98 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: call it a quest, but it was probably more of 99 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 3: an obsession. I had to know. I had to find 100 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: out how she knew. That was the first thing, and 101 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: then I had to find out if it was possible 102 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: that my daughter still survived in some form. And then 103 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: I started crisscrossing, mostly in the United States, meeting with 104 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 3: medical doctors and scientists and researchers and authors and people 105 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 3: in the field, trying to see if there's any evidence 106 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: from credible people that had letters after their name, that 107 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: studied consciousness, that suggested that we do, you know, we're 108 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: more than our physical bodies. And I found the evidence 109 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: to be overwhelming and compelling, to the point where I 110 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: couldn't believe where nobody knew about this. I mean, how 111 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: is it, you know, kept secret? And one thing led 112 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: to another, and you know, we started the foundation in 113 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: two thousand and three and we gathered scientists and mediums 114 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: and academics, you know, on various boards, and we like 115 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: to think of ourselves as a convergence of science and spirituality. 116 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: Oddly enough, what I found doing the work is that 117 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: sometimes I'd be interviewing physicists and you know, which was 118 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: kind of out of my league, and I said, well, 119 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: they sound a lot like the spiritualists I'm talking about. 120 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: There was essentially talking about the same thing coming from 121 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: a single point of light and life and passion and 122 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: love you know, on the other side, and how we're 123 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: all connected. So there's not that much of a difference 124 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: as people might think. You know, between science and spirituality. 125 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: I've been learning every day, so you know, we're not 126 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: grief therapists, you know, and we're very careful, but the 127 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: information that we provide has been helpful to the people 128 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: that are breathing because, I mean, let's face it, if 129 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: you've lost somebody close to you, the only thing that 130 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: gives you any hope or comfort is the thought that 131 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: they still survive in some form. So if you could 132 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: show them reasons why this is probable, you know, it 133 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: brings some comfort. Plus the fact that you know, we 134 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: try to force their people to have their own personal 135 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: experiences and I don't have to tell you how that 136 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: could flip one's perspective on life and death because they have. 137 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: If you have this profound experience, I mean, it doesn't 138 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: have to be a near death experience. It could be 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: a profound and evidential medium reading. That could be a 140 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: dream visitation, that could be a multiple multitude of different things. 141 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: It really can make a big difference in one's grief. 142 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: And it's been shown that, you know, as published in 143 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: peer review journals, that the studies show that those who 144 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: believe in life after death do better in their grief 145 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: than those who don't. Then that makes a lot of 146 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: sense to me because that's the only thing. That's the 147 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: only thing that gave me any hope. That's a long 148 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: winded answer to your question. I'm sorry for taking up 149 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: so much time. 150 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: Now this is about you, so more of you and 151 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: less of me is fine. Did your daughter come through 152 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: in the early days, through mediums or anything when you 153 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: got involved with this, when you started, well, yeah. 154 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: I mean my daughter was coming through like Gangbusters and 155 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: all sorts of after death communications. The problem was, since 156 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: I didn't believe in an afterlife, I dismissed everything. You know, 157 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: my wife was having these unbelievable, profound experiences, and I 158 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 3: was grateful for that because I was sort of living 159 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: vicariously through her because I knew she wouldn't never lie 160 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: to me, and she was having these experiences. Meant my 161 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: daughter still existed. But I still spent years and years, 162 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 3: admittedly as somewhat of a hypocrite, because here I am, 163 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: you know, giving talks about evidence of an afterlife and 164 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: I still didn't fully buy in. It was it was 165 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: as if I was trying to convince myself. But eventually, 166 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: you know, I moved from that stage of hope to 167 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: belief and into knowing, you know, and it took a 168 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: long time to get to that knowing stage. So yes, 169 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: my daughter was coming through even though I wasn't recognizing 170 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: like true after death communications. Over a period of about 171 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, I journaled everyone, But over 172 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: a period of about four years, I had seventy four 173 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: dream visitations for my daughter, and you know, and they 174 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 3: were true visitations in every sense of the world. They 175 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: were tactile. I could talk to her, I could see her, 176 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: I could hug her, I could kiss her, we could 177 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: have a conversation. So that was my you know, lifeline. 178 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: I felt very fortunate to have that. But yeah, I 179 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: mean I've discussed them and written about them. 180 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: You know. 181 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: They were all as a matter of fact, because my 182 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 3: wife encouraged me to journal every experience that I had 183 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: or that she had. There was some point where I 184 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: had to gather up all my notes because somebody had 185 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: asked me to contribute to a book and I started 186 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: looking and I even, just to show you how dement 187 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: that I am, I took all my notes of these 188 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: experiences and I consulted with a statistician because I wanted 189 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: to find out the odds against chance of all these 190 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: things really occurring. And when I had twenty million to 191 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: one shots, I had to relent and throw out my 192 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: hands and say, you know what, I have to follow 193 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 3: the evidence. I have to be true to my word. 194 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: This is the evidence. It's true. A lot of people 195 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: take the path if science lots of times can open 196 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: one up to recognizing all these things that are happening. 197 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: Because I needed that foundation, you know, of belief. And 198 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: once I had that, then I started to get my 199 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: own different types of after death communications and so forth. 200 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, we were both fortunate that she was a 201 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 3: good communicator. 202 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: I think, as being human, we are hardwired not to believe, 203 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: because I've been at this since the mid nineties and 204 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: I still wake up in the morning kind of pinching 205 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: myself it's all real, you know, And then another miracle 206 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: I call them comes in and I know this is 207 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: the real deal. But I just don't think being human, 208 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: you know, maybe we're tied into this game called life 209 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: least I don't know. Maybe you can live twenty four 210 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: to seven just believing it all. 211 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate what you're saying. And you know what, 212 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: I was somewhat surprised that over the years, and you know, 213 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: having conversations with countless numbers of mediums, and some of 214 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: them extremely good practitioners, and they would say to me, 215 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: you know what, Bob, there were times that I wake 216 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: up and I question if this is real? And I'm like, really, 217 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 3: you know, it's like I didn't want to hear that 218 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: at the time it on, because you know, I want 219 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: you to absolutely believe. But as you say, you're absolutely right. 220 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: We're human. You know, we have human emotions and plus 221 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: you know, our upbringing and social influences and educational influences 222 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 3: or religious influences, you know, I mean, they're all part 223 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: of who we are. 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I'm Sandra Champlain 244 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: and we're hearing from Bob Ginsburg, who co founded the 245 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: Forever Family Foundation with his wife Frem. So let's hear about. 246 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: Fred friend dragged me through this. Yes, I'm a co 247 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: founded with her of the foundation, but it was really 248 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: all her, you know. I mean I was here, just 249 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: there along for the ride. I mean, obviously as the 250 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: years went by, I took more and more responsibilities. But 251 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: she created everything that we do. I mean, she created 252 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: the foundation, she created or you know, the medium certification program, 253 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: and then you know, the radio show and publishing a magazine, 254 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: which I after she passed, I couldn't keep up with that, 255 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: so we don't. We don't do that anymore. And then 256 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 3: we we'd hold annual conferences you know, across the United States. 257 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: That took a lot of work. So she was wearing 258 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: a lot of hats, and she literally worked eighteen hours 259 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: a day, seven days a week. Never took I mean, 260 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: we could never go on vacation or anything because even 261 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: if I grabbed her for a couple of days, I 262 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,239 Speaker 3: couldn't get her off the you know, the computer and 263 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: worrying about this and that. So that became her life. 264 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: And I understood that she felt that her whole life 265 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: previous to this was building up to that point. So 266 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: I never would have even thought to do this work, 267 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: you know, you know, without her. And then I when 268 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: she got sick, I mean, she got very sick, very quickly, 269 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: and I couldn't really It takes over your whole body, 270 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: you know, And I couldn't really have many conversations with 271 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: her because she wanted to keep that positive mental latitude, 272 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: you know, that she wasn't going to die, and at 273 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: what the things we were doing, you know, were going 274 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: to help and so forth. But I got to have 275 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: a few conversations near the end, and I said, what 276 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: do you want me to do with the foundation? You know, 277 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: you need to tell me. I'll do whatever, you know, 278 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: so I don't know at one point, which is so 279 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: totally not like her, because she was like a workaholic 280 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: and like a force of nature and everything that she 281 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: got into. She looked at me and she says, why 282 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: don't you just have a big party? You know. It's like, 283 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: actually a big FM party were exact words, you know. 284 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: So I was like, that was not her, you know 285 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: talking but but but I was able to identify the 286 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: core things that we do that she wanted me to continue, 287 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: and that's that's what we're doing. And fortunately she laid 288 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: out the blueprint. I just continue to plug in the 289 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: pieces and following her direction and we keep growing. And 290 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: so it's like a testament to her vision. But now 291 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: we've got fourteen thousand members, you know, across across the world, 292 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: and you know, everything that we do is well populated. 293 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 3: And so that just shows you that there's such a 294 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: great interest in the work, you know, that you and 295 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: I and everybody else does. And plus the fact that 296 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: as people my age, you know, baby boomers, start to 297 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: get closer to their physical demise, a lot of people 298 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: are questioning things that they never question before. They questioning 299 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: their own mortality and could there be a possibility. So 300 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: it's not only grieving people that are interested in the worker, 301 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: it's people that are curious. 302 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I got in to your has friend 303 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 2: come through either through mediums or in dreams like your 304 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: daughter has. 305 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: After Frand passed, they said, oh, you know, you know, 306 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: knowing us, they you're going to get signs like crazy, 307 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: And I really didn't. For whatever reason, I think that 308 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: a friend knew like what a hard headed guy I 309 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: was when I came to this stuff. So she kept 310 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: trying to think of things that were not easy to do, 311 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 3: things that she knew that I could not question, you know, 312 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: on my own. I mean, I'll give you an example. 313 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 3: A friend, for whatever reason she had her hands were 314 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: very soft and silky and swat. I love to hold 315 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: her hand. You know, it sounds corny, but I loved 316 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: all the had so to the point where I was 317 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 3: a pest, you know. So she I was always driving, 318 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: and she was always in the passenger seat, and I'd 319 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: always hold out my right hand, you know, for her 320 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: to you know, like she usually grab a hold of 321 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: my thumb, you know, and that all was right in 322 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: the world. I felt comfort and you know, all that 323 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: stuff after that. So after fran passed, every single time 324 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 3: for the first I'd say year and a half, I 325 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 3: would say out loud to her friend, show me, so 326 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: I need you to do this, Just grab my hand, 327 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: my thumb, you know, and I'd hold out my thumb 328 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: like an idiot. You know. People would turn up, pull 329 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: up next to me and had a red light and 330 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: I'd be having my thumb out, you know, and talking 331 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 3: to somebody, imaginary person, I thought, and nothing like a 332 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: year and a half, I asked nothing, never anything. And 333 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: then one day I said out, well, look I don't care, 334 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: I really need this. You gotta do this with me. 335 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: You got to find a way. And with that I 336 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 3: felt not only grasped my thumb, somebody grasped my thumb, 337 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 3: but there was a vibrant energy in the base of 338 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: my thumb and my whole hand was vibrating, and the 339 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: energy just had moved up all the way, you know, 340 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 3: to the top of my thumb, you know, and then 341 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: back down again. And these communications, you know, they come 342 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 3: with the sense of knowing there was no question in 343 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: my mind. You know that, you know, nothing had ever 344 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: happened like this before in my life, you know. And 345 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 3: here I am asking her for a year and a 346 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: half and it finally happens, and it lasted, I'd say, 347 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: for a good It wasn't like fleeting. It lasted for 348 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: a good ten to fifteen minutes, and then it gradually 349 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 3: went away. And of course despite me I still asking it. 350 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: You know, it's not happened since, you know, because she 351 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 3: would be saying, look, don't be an idiot. I gave 352 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: you what you wanted. It takes a lot of work. 353 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: I can't do it again. That to me, The way 354 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 3: I reason that out is that's something she would do. 355 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: It's something that I could not question, you know. So 356 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: I've had some dream visitations, not as profound as the 357 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: ones that I you know, that I had with my daughter. 358 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: I get certain signs that I recognize, but it's not 359 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: something that comes very often. 360 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: She could be just so close, always with you, and 361 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: I can't imagine once we get there. You know, I've 362 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: got my belief, so what the afterlife is like, and 363 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 2: that eavesdrop would be with our loved ones and witness 364 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: things in her life and show signs and manipulate energy 365 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: and all that stuff, like it's all possible, but how 366 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 2: difficult is it? 367 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: Is? 368 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: There truly no time over there? So they know it's 369 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: a blink of an eye, will be together? Do they 370 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: want us to live our life fully and not keep 371 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: relying on them? Those are only answers we're going to 372 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: get once we get there. 373 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I'm sure it's a question that 374 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 3: you get all the time, because we certainly do. And 375 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 3: people say, well, why don't I get signs? You know? 376 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: And and everybody else? Even when we hold these grief retreats, 377 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 3: sometimes I have mixed feelings and in these group settings 378 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: and we have a discussion about after the communications and science, 379 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: because you have people that are sitting there that get 380 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: very few, if any signs, and and other people that 381 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 3: seem to get them on a daily basis, and then 382 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: you know the ones that don't get them. Questionable, does 383 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: this mean that my loved one doesn't love me? You know? 384 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 3: Or of course not. But as you just hinted at, 385 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: you're an entity of thought and energy. Can't be easy, 386 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 3: I mean I think that there are mediums on the 387 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: other side that help our discornet loved ones to communicate. 388 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, there are people that can communicate right 389 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: away for whatever reason, but others, you know, it takes 390 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: nothing comes through for quite a long time, and then 391 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: it starts, you know, to come through. So I wish 392 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 3: I had the answer, you know, as to why some 393 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: people don't get science. But I tend to think that 394 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 3: it's it's a learning process. Plus the fact that I 395 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: think there's a lot to do there. I mean, we're 396 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: constantly learning and progressing and exposed to all different things, 397 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: and we can just by thought alone, migrate among the 398 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: you know, the universe. I mean, plus the fact that 399 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: they know that this physical existence is just a tiny 400 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: blip and that you know, they're going to see us again, 401 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 3: and they're not in grief and it's not as profound 402 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: as what we think it is, you know. So they 403 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: know that we'll put in our time here and we'll 404 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: do our learning, and you know, we'll move on. So 405 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: but certainly for those that don't get scientists, not the 406 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: doesn't have anything to do with the love or the 407 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 3: bond that you had with somebody. 408 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: No, nothing at all. And I also think too, they 409 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: do come to us and in very subtle ways. Sometimes 410 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: I've seen like a slide show in my mind just 411 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 2: before I go to sleep of things I did with 412 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: my dad, and my brain couldn't do those images that fast, 413 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: And sometimes I just get this feeling or just a memory, 414 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: and I think those are just a little easier to 415 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: do calling signs that our loved ones are with us, 416 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: but we human beings just blow them off. That's just 417 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 2: our imagination. But that's how mediums work. That's how it works. 418 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: And I think sometimes we get so caught up in 419 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: social media and our mind thinking about the past or 420 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: worried about the future, that we can't get in that 421 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: present moment we are, when we dream, we are just 422 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: before we fall asleep, and that might be the way they. 423 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And as you said, sometimes the signs of these 424 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: communications and signs are very subtle, you know. I mean, 425 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 3: it's not like somebody hitting you over the head with it. 426 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: You have to be in that accepting, you know mode 427 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 3: and recognize it for what it is. And even though 428 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: it may seem subtle, it takes a lot of work 429 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: on their end to make it happen absolutely well. 430 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: I'd love to find out about some of the things 431 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: you're up to. First of all, you and France started 432 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: and you continue a long time radio show called Signs 433 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: of Life. Do you have any idea how many episodes 434 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: are out there, because. 435 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. 436 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 3: We've been doing it weekly since two thousand and five, 437 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 3: and all the episodes are archived on our website with 438 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 3: a search engine, So if you plug in somebody, you know, 439 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 3: and if we've interviewed them over the years, you know, 440 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: they'll pop up. I mean, originally I was doing it 441 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: was purely an interview show, and I was just you know, 442 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: interviewing people in our field. But that was so demanding 443 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: because I refused to interview anybody unless I read their 444 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: book if they if they're a published author, you know, first. 445 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: And so I had to read, you know, four sometimes 446 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: five books per month, you know, with everything else that 447 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 3: we're doing. I mean I had books all over the house, 448 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: had books in the bathroom and books on my night table. Everybody, 449 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: so I went to a book and then I slowly 450 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: developed the skill of speed reading. So that's the only 451 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: way that I get through it. But after doing it 452 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: for so many years is and I can't keep this up. 453 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 3: So now we have any different We have five different 454 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 3: formats of the show. You know. We have one week 455 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: one of our certified mediums host the Mediums and Messages show, 456 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 3: and its simply listeners can call in and get many 457 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 3: readings from one of our certified mediums. We have a 458 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: medium interviews. You know, the mediums don't do readings, but 459 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: you get into the mind of the medium by listening 460 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 3: to the interview. We have a personal Experiences show. I 461 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: still do some interviews, so but that took a big 462 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 3: load off of my plate and people get exposed to 463 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: many different things. So that's but you know, we continue 464 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: to do that. I host with two co hosts a 465 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: show at the beginning of each month called The Gathering, 466 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 3: and it's really just like a big after life discussion 467 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 3: group where people call in with their questions or email 468 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 3: and their questions or personal experiences and we talk about those. 469 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been doing it, but just something we 470 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: can't stop. We've been doing it for so long, you know. 471 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: So if you google top after life podcasts, you'll find 472 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: that Signs of Life with Bob Ginsburg is number one 473 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: afterlife podcast out of sixty. Number two is the Dead 474 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: Life with medium Allison Dubois and number three is Shades 475 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. So we keep in 476 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: good company. It's time for our next break, and when 477 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 2: we come back, we'll hear about Bob's blog and his books. 478 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 479 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 480 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: Stay there, Sandra will be right back. 481 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: Hi. This is Wuija board expert Karen A. Dolman, and 482 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 483 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: Paranormal Podcast Network. 484 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: And now back to Sandra Champlain and Shades of the Afterlife. 485 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, 486 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 2: and this is Bob Ginsburg, co founder of Forever Family Foundation, 487 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: and I asked him about his blog and his books. 488 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: You know, I was always a frustrated writer, and I 489 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: was an English major in college. You know, I wanted 490 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 3: to be a journalist, and you know, my guidance counselor 491 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: sent me to a university that she said had a 492 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 3: great journalism department. I got there, I enrolled, I got settled, 493 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: and I found out they didn't have a journalism bombs, 494 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: you know, so much for guidance counselors, you know. But 495 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: I went and as life happens, I went in different 496 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 3: directions and I never got to write. So I built 497 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 3: a business over the years, and I used to do 498 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: the next best thing. I used to use my advertising 499 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: skills to help, you know, build the business. That was 500 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 3: my one way of writing, so to speak. And then 501 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: after I retired from my real corporate job, I had 502 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: more time and I started, you know, I was always 503 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 3: writing stuff the foundation, you know, all of our you know, 504 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: literature and so forth. And then I got the idea 505 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: to write a book, and I wrote the book, and 506 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: I wrote the second book. And then there's a lot 507 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: of stuff not connected to the Foundation that I would 508 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 3: like to get out there. So I just started you know, 509 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: that blog Beyond the Five Senses dot com, just so 510 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 3: my head doesn't explode, just to get some thoughts out there, 511 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 3: you know, and you know, keep writing. It's always been 512 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: a big part of my life, but it remained, you know, hidden. 513 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 3: So now I get to sort of fulfill what I 514 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: really should have been doing all these years. You know, 515 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: if I was a writer, I wouldn't have made any money. 516 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: But what line of business were you when you said court. 517 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: I owned an insurance agency for forty something years. You know, 518 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: so it's totally that's a totally left brain. And you 519 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: know what, in the twenty years that I was still 520 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 3: you know involved, you know, in the agency, none of 521 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: my clients knew about the foundation. Because I'm not the 522 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: type that I don't try to convince anybody. I respect 523 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: everybody's feelings. If given the opportunity, you know, it was 524 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: a client, I'll bring it up and I'll just you know, 525 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: throw out there what some stuff that I've learned, and 526 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 3: you could do with it what you want. I remember 527 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 3: every once in a while, like when that Netflix documentary 528 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: came out, all of a sudden, I started getting phone 529 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 3: calls from clients in mine that I've had for thirty 530 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: forty years, and I'm like, what was that you that 531 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: I just nobody had better? But I always kept that part, 532 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: you know, separate friend. On the other hand, we were 533 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: complete opposites in every way. It's amazing. Like they say, 534 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: opposites a tract. I guess that's true. But you know, 535 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: she would use every opportunity that she had, no matter 536 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: where we were. It could be a restaurant, there could 537 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: be a doctor's office, you know, to try to educate 538 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 3: people into the stuff that we, you know, we were doing. 539 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: I was more of a reserved, you know kind of person, 540 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: and I never did that, but you know, the foundation 541 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: sort of got me out of my shell sort of 542 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: because I was, especially after fran passed, I was was 543 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 3: to do things that I never had to do but 544 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: they needed to be done. So then I you know, 545 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: and then would writing the books and stuff, and then 546 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: the documentary has started doing more interviews and so forth. 547 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: But I'm still not totally comfortable with it. But I 548 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: do it, you know, and you get better at it 549 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: through the years. 550 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: And oh, you definitely do yeah, and you can drop 551 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: those little seeds and if people pick them up and 552 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: they want to know more, they can or they might 553 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: just say, oh great, Yeah, this is definitely not something 554 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: we can put on other people. So many people ask me, 555 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: you know, how can I convince my loved one this 556 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: is real? It's like my best advice is let them 557 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: come to you. You know, we can't. I was a 558 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: hardcore skeptic once and I used to really laugh and 559 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: make fun of people that believed in this and there 560 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: was nobody that could convince me. But I think it's 561 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: our own journey as being a human that eventually we 562 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: start asking these questions. 563 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: So, yeah, so what kindred skeptics? 564 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: You know? 565 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: But you know that there is a difference between a 566 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: closed minded skeptic and an open minded skeptic. I mean, 567 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: open minded skepticism is a good thing because we should question. 568 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: Because of your own question, you're not going to fully 569 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: be convinced, you know. So you look for all the 570 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: physical explanations, and when they don't exist, the only thing 571 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 3: left is a spiritual explanation, you know, such as near 572 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: death experiences and deathbed visions. You know, this is a 573 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: prime example, or terminal lucidity, you know, a sudden awakening 574 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: with somebody that's totally you know, mentally and physically incapacitated. 575 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: You show up one day about a week or so 576 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: before they pass or just before they're passing, and they're 577 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 3: totally lucid. It's as if they were never sick. And 578 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 3: I've experienced that in my own family. And you think 579 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: it's a miracle, you know, and then there is no 580 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: medical or scientific explanation for that. It doesn't exist. I mean, 581 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: it's not possible, and yet it happens, you know, and 582 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: I believe it's because we all have escorts to the 583 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: other side, you know. I mean, you know, whether we 584 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: can communicate that to others or not, it's just the 585 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: way that it is. So, you know, a lot of 586 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 3: these things is you know, you can't dissect them in 587 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: a laboratory. Traditional science doesn't lend itself to these spontaneous 588 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: types of events. But then the anecdotal evidence is beyond overwhelming. 589 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 3: You know, millions and millions and millions of people can't 590 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: keep experiencing the same thing, you know, without you paying 591 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 3: people paying attention to it. You know, even though it's 592 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: so called anecdotal, I. 593 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 2: Don't know what it is about human beings that we 594 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: think were the center of the universe and whatever we 595 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: experience here and planet Earth is it? Because you know, 596 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: when you think of the ever expanding universe, which is 597 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: mind blowing, where if we get down to the quantum level, 598 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: all we are is invisible vibrating energy. That's mind blowing. 599 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: You know, we don't understand how dreams work, where is consciousness? 600 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: All these questions. Yet it's so easy to say, well, 601 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: science hasn't proved it yet you know, it's like, oh, 602 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: got to think out of the box. Think out of 603 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: the box, Bob, right. 604 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, certainly everybody in the work that we 605 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 3: do things out in the box exactly. Well, one day 606 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 3: out of your box will become the norm. 607 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It does help to hear these stories that 608 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: are coming from credible people and not that your everyday 609 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: person that doesn't have a PhD, et cetera and so 610 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: forth isn't just as valid. But when we start hearing 611 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 2: medical doctors and what they witness in the operating room, 612 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: and there's so many cases of these visions that people 613 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: have weeks and days before they pass, stories from hospice 614 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 2: doctors and nurses, and to hear some of those types 615 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: of stories, I think it just helps lend a good 616 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 2: word to all this stuff is real. And how comforting 617 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: is it that loved ones come to help us across 618 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 2: the veil. I find that really exciting and comforting. 619 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 3: I totally agree, you know, and they find this very 620 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 3: inventive in the way that they come through. You reminded 621 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 3: me of because when you asked about if I had 622 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 3: any communications from France. One of the mediums that have 623 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: been certified by our foundation for many many years as 624 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 3: a hobby not connected to her mediumship, did electronic voice 625 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 3: phenomena and she would do that consistently, and she was 626 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 3: very close, you know, with Fran. And then after Fran passed, 627 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 3: she said, would you mind if I ask friend and 628 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 3: spirit connected to EVP a series of questions every week 629 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 3: to see if we get anything. And I said, no, 630 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: go ahead, and she would send me the audio recordings, 631 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: you know, after she did them. And you know, with EVP, 632 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: some of them you have to listen really hard, you know, 633 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: but some are fairly clear. And in one of the EVPs, 634 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 3: she said, what is the name of the organization that 635 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 3: you founded? And you hear faintly but clearly, you know, 636 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 3: Forever Family Foundation, you know. And then on another day 637 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 3: it happened to be my birthday and she said, do 638 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 3: you have a message for Bob? And you hear happy birthday. 639 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: I mean it, listen. A lot of EVPs can be dismissed, 640 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 3: as you know, as anomalies, but those that you can hear, 641 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 3: they're really really compelling evidence because it's something that we 642 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 3: can perceive with our physical sentence. Sentence. We didn't read 643 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: about it in a book didn't come through a third party, 644 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: you know, as a medium. So what we're actually hearing, 645 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 3: you know what we said, and we have it on 646 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: recording tapes. So I don't dismiss the body of evidence 647 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 3: from electronic boy phenomena and instrumental transcommunication. It's it's really valuable. 648 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exciting to see things coming. I want to 649 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: talk to you about your books because I know we 650 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: share a passion of good mediumship. So you've got The 651 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: Medium Explosion, A Guide to navigating the world of those 652 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: who claim to communicate with the dead? How did you 653 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 2: start that? And getting. 654 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: The first thing that I noticed when we got into 655 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: this work was that there were an awful lot of 656 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 3: mediums that called themselves mediums that really did had very 657 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: limited ability, you know. I mean, I'm not saying that 658 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 3: they were fraudulented, the certain small percentage are, but they 659 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: just they were intuitive as we all are, but they 660 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 3: had limited ability, if any, you know, to communicate with 661 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: the dead. So I met with some well recognized you know, 662 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 3: scientists in the field that study mediumship, and I kind 663 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 3: of picked their brains and they helped me to develop 664 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 3: our own certification process. So, you know, we've been doing 665 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: that consistently since two thousand and five. So obviously over 666 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 3: those years I've witnessed I can't tell you how many 667 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 3: medium breedings Between that and you know, the work and 668 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: the foundation and demonstrations and so forth, and mediums I 669 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 3: don't have to tell you they have a lot of 670 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 3: responsibility because they're sitting with grieving people that are just, 671 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 3: you know, just on the edge of belief. Is this 672 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 3: afterlife just a crop, you know? Or is it real? 673 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 3: And if they go in and they get a horrible 674 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: medium breeding, it does more damage. You know, they're in 675 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 3: worse shape than when they got there. On the other hand, 676 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 3: a really evidential mediumship reading can change their lives for 677 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 3: the better, have profound influence on the rest of their lives. 678 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 3: So as a resource for the Bereave, we set up 679 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 3: our own evaluation system. Now, I had no idea when 680 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 3: we started, like how many people would gain certification, like 681 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 3: percentage wise and not. What I found consistently over the 682 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 3: years is that only between ten and fifteen teen percent 683 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 3: of the mediums that we evaluated, you know, gain certification, 684 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 3: which meant that eighty five to ninety percent did not. 685 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 3: And that didn't make me very popular in the mediumship community. 686 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 3: But you know, I felt that would you want this 687 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 3: practitioner sitting with your you know, your loved one, charging 688 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 3: a lot of money and having a long waiting list 689 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 3: or not, you know, and we needed to have It's 690 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 3: not to say that our process is full proof, but 691 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 3: what we found over the years that the mediums that 692 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: we certified are more consistent. They rarely have ever, you know, 693 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 3: failed to connect and the evidence. And you know, we 694 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 3: have five different scoring methods that we use and they 695 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 3: have to meet the minimum guidelines in each of the 696 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 3: five scoring methods, and a medium with marginal ability is 697 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 3: just simply not going to be able to gain certification. 698 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 3: It's really tough, but that's the way it has to be. 699 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 3: So the problem is that a lot of the mediums 700 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: that we certified over the years have gone on to 701 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 3: become famous. And you know, when when a medium becomes famous, 702 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 3: very often they do fewer and fewer readings, they charge 703 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 3: more and more and more money, and the waiting list 704 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 3: before you know it is three four years. So you know, 705 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 3: that doesn't do us any good. 706 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 2: It's time for our next break. But I'm really grateful 707 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 2: that Bob certifies mediums and he's going to do more 708 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 2: of it. Unfortunately, the mediums on his site have gone 709 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 2: on to be famous, so they are very expensive. At 710 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 2: the highest price I would ever pay would be about 711 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars, and even that is a little bit 712 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 2: steep for the grieving. So I am on a mission 713 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 2: to change that, and I know Bob is too. You're 714 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and 715 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 716 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 4: Keep it here on the iHeart Radio and Coast to 717 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Sanders Champlain will be right back. 718 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: The art belve we'll never disappoints classic audio at your fingertips. 719 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: Go now to Coast to Coast AM dot com for 720 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: full details. 721 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's producer Tom of Coast to Coast DAM 722 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 4: and more. 723 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 3: Sandress starts right now. 724 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain 725 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: and you can find out more about Bob Ginsburg and 726 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 2: his foundation at Forever Family Foundation dot org. 727 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 3: Membership and the foundation is free as well. We don't 728 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 3: want to deprive anybody of information because of money. So 729 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: been on the under pressure for many, many years I 730 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 3: still am you know, to charge start charging for membership, 731 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 3: even if it's a phenomenal amount. But I keep resisting 732 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 3: it because I it's not the kind of thing I 733 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 3: want to charge for. But people can donate, right yeah, 734 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 3: And that's how we survive. I mean, and people are 735 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 3: very generous and small donations add up. Every once in 736 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 3: a while, you've get a big donation. And you know, 737 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 3: my wife used to say, like every time we were 738 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 3: running low on money, like the universe would take care 739 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 3: of it, you know, all of a sudden we'd get 740 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 3: a big check in the mail and so forth. But 741 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 3: because now because we have so many members, it feeds 742 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 3: everything else. There's more donations are events. So we have 743 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 3: four grief retreats a year, and they sell out within 744 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 3: two weeks after I post them, and I post them 745 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 3: like almost seven eight months in advance, you know. And 746 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 3: that I attribute to the Netflix because we allowed Netflix 747 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 3: to film one entire retreat in Connecticut. They got there 748 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 3: Friday afternoon and they stay stay till Sunday night. 749 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 2: So you've got a new book, my life here and 750 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 2: there a journey that transcends time and space. Do you 751 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 2: want to talk to us about that? 752 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 3: So? Again, I've letter kind of called life, you know, 753 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 3: going to college in the late sixties and you know, 754 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 3: love and peace and all that stuff, and done a 755 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 3: lot of different things over the years, and I always 756 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 3: like to write. So the first part of the book 757 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 3: is really an accounting of my life. At times, I'm 758 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 3: sure that it might make people cry, and sometimes people 759 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 3: might laugh their asses off. You know. I've added to 760 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 3: some of the stuff that they'll here. But I always 761 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 3: felt the way to back into telling people about the 762 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 3: afterlife would have more impact in a novel form. So 763 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 3: I had some criticism because in the middle of the book, 764 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 3: or towards the second half of the book, I die 765 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 3: in a plane crash on the way to one of 766 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 3: our conferences. And then I explained, which is partly based 767 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 3: on fact, you know, my work with a physicist. You know, 768 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 3: we had developed a system between the two of us 769 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 3: where one of us would be able to communicate with 770 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 3: absolute clarity, you know, from the other side. But I 771 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 3: had people like friends of mine that like was searching 772 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 3: the internet to find out if I really die, because, 773 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 3: as I said, okay, well that means that the writing 774 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 3: was good because you believed it, you know, And of 775 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 3: course so here I am, you know, writing about what 776 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 3: the afterlife is like. Obviously it's just based upon all 777 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 3: my reading, you know, and experiences and what I've heard others. 778 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 3: But it's a way of opening up people's minds to 779 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 3: what things might be like like on the other side. 780 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 3: And that thus the title my wife here and there, 781 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 3: because it's my life in both places. 782 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,959 Speaker 2: So not only have you gone through grief this way. 783 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,240 Speaker 2: When that hurricane hit down where you lived, you lost 784 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 2: part of your house, right. 785 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we had massive damage, but you know 786 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 3: what I mean, I lost besides the major parts of 787 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 3: the house and lost that all the belongings. You know. 788 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,720 Speaker 3: That means fifty sixty years of photos and all legal 789 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 3: documents and all foundation documents, you know, because I had 790 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 3: the office and you know when they moved to the house. 791 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 3: So it was a heavy hit. But as I tell people, 792 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 3: I was kind of stressful and it was aggravating, but 793 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 3: after what I had been through, I was surprisingly calm 794 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 3: throughout the whole thing, because there is a world of 795 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 3: difference between losing a loved one and losing material things. 796 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 3: The two can't be compared, you know, So I've already 797 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 3: been through the other parts several times. You know. So 798 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: this was I don't want to say it was a 799 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 3: walk in the park, but it was. It was manageable, 800 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 3: and I understand. I mean, most of the people that 801 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 3: are on the island that I live, you know, that 802 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 3: lost everything. I didn't want to diminish their grief, because 803 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 3: it is grief. Grief of your home and all your 804 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 3: belongings is a form of grief. But I had the 805 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 3: so called luxury of being able to put that in 806 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 3: perspective because in a big picture, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, 807 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 3: it does not, you know. So I was able to 808 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,959 Speaker 3: get through it, and eventually I was fortunate to find 809 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 3: construction crews working around the clock. And you know, now 810 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 3: my home is totally rebuilt. So in retrospect, how many 811 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 3: times do we things happened to us during the course 812 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 3: of the day that we think is monumental. Oh my god. 813 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 3: You hear people talking sometimes I want to choke people. 814 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you're not going to remember this 815 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 3: two days from now. You know, you want to know profound, 816 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 3: you know, brief and so forth. But again it's you know, 817 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 3: we're all human, and we all have egos, and we 818 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 3: all have wants and needs, So I get it, you know, 819 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 3: I was like that. I think that having grief losing 820 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 3: someone does provide even though it's hard to recognize for 821 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people for quite some time, it provides 822 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 3: some meeting and purpose that didn't exist before. Things that 823 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 3: were very important, not mainly material things don't have the 824 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 3: same cachet as they once did, you know, because that's 825 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 3: not what's truly important. As they say, you're not taking 826 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 3: it with you, right, we're not. 827 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 2: I think grief has the power to put us on 828 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 2: that spiritual growth, giving us answers. I also know grief 829 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 2: has the power to make us want check out of life, 830 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 2: and even if we don't physically do that, I think 831 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 2: people can die inside. So any information that we can 832 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 2: give to help people along the road. I know you've 833 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,240 Speaker 2: got a link on your website for grief as well 834 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 2: as well as everything that you have, so it's a 835 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 2: good place to start. Let me remind everyone Forever Family 836 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 2: Foundation dot org. Bob, anything else you'd like to share, 837 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 2: because I'm finding our time really wonderful. 838 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you want to invite me back 839 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 3: and anytime we can get into anything that you want. 840 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 3: I mean, we could talk about the individual disciplines of 841 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 3: research and so forth, and you know how people can 842 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 3: you know, can try to transform their grief and so forth. 843 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 3: But no, I mean, I it's a pleasure talking with you, 844 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 3: and I think we got in the most of the points. 845 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 3: Then you cover them quite well. I appreciate that. 846 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 2: Thanks. Any closing words for our listeners or viewers. 847 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 3: No, I just you know, I often urge people, and 848 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 3: I was guilty of it. Is that we never, you know, 849 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 3: take the time to just experience anymore, you know. I 850 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,360 Speaker 3: mean then you watch people, even when they're sight seeing 851 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 3: or they're near something. I mean that they get so 852 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 3: stressed over getting the perfect photo. You know, you go 853 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,959 Speaker 3: to a restaurant and you see a party of ten 854 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 3: and everybody, all ten people are on their phones at 855 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 3: the table. You know, it's like we never just experience 856 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 3: things for what they are. I mean, I've replaced things 857 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 3: that I used to enjoy with sitting out on my 858 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 3: dack pre dawn and waiting for the sun to rise 859 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 3: and you know, listening to the birds and watching the 860 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 3: vibrant colors and so forth, and that's that's my adrenaline. 861 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 3: You know, things like that, I just would urge people 862 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 3: to always try to step back and just experience, because 863 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 3: there's so many things that are happening around us that 864 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 3: we just simply refuse or unwilling to recognize that that 865 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 3: can really do a lot for us. 866 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 2: All I agree one hundred percent. My mom and I 867 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 2: owned a thirty plus year catering company that we traveled 868 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 2: the country cooking for race car teams, cooking for eight 869 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 2: hundred to fifteen hundred people. It was big organization shut 870 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 2: down due to COVID. She developed breast cancer. She's fine, 871 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 2: but it turned our life upside down, and so we 872 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 2: ended up getting a house. I'm looking over the woods 873 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 2: every day, Bob. I go out and feed the birds. 874 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 2: I get wild turkeys and the chipmunks and squirrels, and 875 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 2: I must have two hundred hummingbirds by the gallons of 876 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 2: nectar that I'm putting out. 877 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 3: Wow. 878 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,320 Speaker 2: And for thirty years I wasn't present to the miracle 879 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 2: of life. And I can tell you my heart is happy, 880 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 2: it's full. It's being with my mom who's growing older 881 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 2: and she's just the love of my life in extraordinary conversations. 882 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 2: And I don't think we need to wait to have 883 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 2: that happen like we can actually stop and smell the 884 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 2: roses as they say. 885 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and that I always said, I'm very poor 886 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 3: at meditation. You know, I'm in a formal meditation the 887 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 3: way I think it's supposed to be. But when I'm 888 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 3: sitting out on the deck watching the suncom of that's meditation, 889 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 3: you know, or you know, I mean meditation comes in, 890 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 3: you know, in music and art and nature, and you know, 891 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 3: we all meditate in different ways. And after friend passed, 892 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 3: I started playing golf again, and the people in the 893 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 3: golf club, you know, think that I'm a total antisocial 894 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 3: person because I always play by myself. I don't want 895 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 3: to play with anybody else because it's a form that's 896 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 3: a form of meditation for me. I just walking through 897 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 3: the nature and the course and you know, thinking of things, 898 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 3: and I don't want the pressure of competing or anything else. 899 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 3: So it's another form of meditation. Meditation just comes is 900 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 3: all around us if we want to take advantage of it. 901 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm reminded of a guy that I met. Had 902 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 2: been on a cruise of a group of people and 903 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,879 Speaker 2: we stopped and I think maybe Saint Thomas, I'm not 904 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 2: exactly sure, but we went to one of the private 905 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 2: beaches and there was an old security guard and he 906 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 2: had the long dreadlock and he was telling me stories 907 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 2: and reciting poetry and these just beautiful things that resonated 908 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 2: with my soul, and that I stupidly asked him if 909 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 2: he took a course and learned how to write that 910 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,240 Speaker 2: way or if this was somebody else's works, and he says, Honey, 911 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 2: I just watched the waves and it all came to me. Wow. Yeah, 912 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 2: being present being with nature amazing. Well, Bob, thank you 913 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 2: so much for being our guest today, and let's plan 914 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 2: another interview because then we can delve into something else 915 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,720 Speaker 2: you want to talk about. I just I'm left wanting more, 916 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 2: and I think that's a good thing. Well. 917 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I enjoyed it very much. I respect 918 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 3: the work that you do and I was very happy 919 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 3: to be on the show tonight. 920 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 2: And thank you Bob from Forever Familyfoundation dot org. Incredible man, 921 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 2: incredible story through all of that grief that he just 922 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 2: keeps going and he just keeps giving lots of gems 923 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 2: of wisdom. For sure. In this episode. One of the 924 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 2: best ways I feel to know that your loved ones 925 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,439 Speaker 2: truly are around is to take a class in mediumship 926 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 2: to learn to quiet down, to learn the different ways 927 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 2: they communicate with our soul. And it seems counterintuitive because 928 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,320 Speaker 2: we think they're going to plant images in our mind 929 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 2: and not always. Most of the time they are subtle 930 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 2: feelings within us, and it's like peeling an onion. There 931 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 2: are different layers. It's a beautiful opportunity to learn to 932 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 2: work with your soul. And I tell you there are 933 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 2: miracles that happen in our online classrooms. Of course, we 934 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 2: practice on each other and you may just receive that 935 00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 2: soul satisfying word you need to hear. Bases we Don't 936 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 2: Die dot com. Go check out all the good things. 937 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 2: If you want to join my new Patreon club and 938 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 2: receive a list of all five hundred and fifty total 939 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,879 Speaker 2: episodes of my work, I wouldn't mind if you want 940 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 2: to be a supporter. But most of all, thank you 941 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 2: so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 942 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 943 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 944 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,719 Speaker 1: d and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 945 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 946 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com