Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey fam Today on the bright Side, it's
Speaker 1: Wellness Wednesday, and this week we're joined by financial therapist
Speaker 1: Lindsay Brian Podvin to talk about our emotional connection to
Speaker 1: money and our financial archetypes. It's Wednesday, July thirty. First,
Speaker 1: I'm Simone Boyce.
Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe and this is The bright Side from
Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to
Speaker 2: share women's stories, to laugh, learn and brighten your day. Simon,
Speaker 2: we have some really fun news hot off the press
Speaker 2: before we dive into our show today. The August book
Speaker 2: pick for Reese's Book Club is here. The ninety ninth
Speaker 2: book pick has been announced, so we want to send
Speaker 2: a huge congratulations to Rainbow Rawl, author of Slow Dance.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Slow Dance is a friends to lover's story about two
Speaker 1: childhood besties, Shiloh and Carrie, who grow up together and
Speaker 1: they promise each other they're going to make it out
Speaker 1: of their small town. They're going to remain friends through
Speaker 1: it all. But that does not exactly happen, folks, because
Speaker 1: years later, Shiloh is married and divorced, has two kids,
Speaker 1: and back in the hometown, she and Carrie vowed to
Speaker 1: escape from wondering if she'll see him again and if
Speaker 1: those old promises could maybe perhaps lead to something more. Mmm.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a simmering romance, perfect for a long summer day.
Speaker 2: I love that plot, and reviews about the book are
Speaker 2: calling it Raoul's triumphant return to adult fiction, and that's
Speaker 2: because she was previously writing award winning young adult fiction
Speaker 2: books and comics like Shee Hulk.
Speaker 4: So what I'm hoping is this.
Speaker 2: Means that it has the drama of a Ya novel
Speaker 2: and the heroics of she Hulk. If so, count me in,
Speaker 2: because you can find me at the beach with my
Speaker 2: SPF and my sunglasses diving into this one.
Speaker 4: I'll be right there with you.
Speaker 1: Danielle. Congratulations to Rainbow Raoul. I'm so excited to cuddle
Speaker 1: up to this book and talk to Rainbow about it
Speaker 1: next month.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: All right, besties, it is time for wellness Wednesday, So
Speaker 1: put a finger down. If talking about money makes you
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, you're not alone.
Speaker 4: You're definitely not alone.
Speaker 2: In Power, which is a retirement and financial services company,
Speaker 2: conducted a study last year and it revealed that over
Speaker 2: sixty percent of Americans just completely avoid talking about money.
Speaker 4: But there's some good news, a.
Speaker 2: Bright side, if you will, because the same study found
Speaker 2: that millennials fifty six percent of them and gen Z
Speaker 2: forty nine percent of them are more open about talking
Speaker 2: about money than older generations.
Speaker 1: So I think that indicates a positive shift. And you
Speaker 1: know what, our guest today has been part of that
Speaker 1: shift because Lindsay Brian Podvin is a certified financial therapist
Speaker 1: and author. I love that term financial therapist. She helps
Speaker 1: people get their minds and money right by focusing on
Speaker 1: the intersection of finance and mental health, because we all
Speaker 1: know health is wealth people.
Speaker 2: And Lindsay created her own coming Any Mind Money Balance
Speaker 2: to provide financial therapy, sessions and tools to help us
Speaker 2: all better understand our relationship with money, so things like
Speaker 2: what messages we receive from our parents and our grandparents
Speaker 2: about money and ultimately help us release some of that
Speaker 2: fear and anxiety around money and understand our own money story.
Speaker 1: Lindsay is also the author of The Financial Anxiety Solution,
Speaker 1: an interactive workbook full of techniques to help improve our
Speaker 1: relationship with money, and she has a podcast called Mind
Speaker 1: Money Balance.
Speaker 2: Okay, Simone, I think it's time for some financial therapy. Right,
Speaker 2: let's do it all right, let's get into it. Lindsay,
Speaker 2: Brian Podvin, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 3: Hi, Simon and Danielle. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 4: We're so happy to have you.
Speaker 1: Lindsay, you took such a non linear path to get
Speaker 1: where you are today. Before you became a financial therapist,
Speaker 1: you actually got a degree in social work. So how
Speaker 1: did your work in that field lead you to this
Speaker 1: desire to talk about money and address our emotional connection
Speaker 1: to it?
Speaker 3: Such a good question.
Speaker 5: So I went into the field of social work with
Speaker 5: a focus on interpersonal practice and mental health. So I'm
Speaker 5: able to practice therapy, and that's what I thought I
Speaker 5: was going to be doing. And in social work school,
Speaker 5: we talked about a lot of hard things, difficult things
Speaker 5: like abuse, neglect, sex, trauma, death, but we did not.
Speaker 3: Talk about money.
Speaker 5: And all of us have to interact with money and
Speaker 5: engage with money, and we all have a relationship with money,
Speaker 5: whether or not we think about it. So to be clear,
Speaker 5: I did not think, oh, I'm going to become a
Speaker 5: financial therapist. It was more or less a thing that
Speaker 5: I felt like I couldn't get away from. In my
Speaker 5: first job as a social worker, I was earning less
Speaker 5: than I was as a waitress, and really quickly personally
Speaker 5: experienced the intersection of money and mental health. I developed
Speaker 5: chronic insomnia, I had depression and anxiety that was really
Speaker 5: well managed until then all of those symptoms came back
Speaker 5: with a vengeance. And all of the learning that I
Speaker 5: was doing around how to quote unquote be better with
Speaker 5: money was telling me more or less like it's your
Speaker 5: own fault, like you should stop buying lattes, you should
Speaker 5: stop buying purses, stop going out on weekends, and you
Speaker 5: would just have more money. And I felt like it
Speaker 5: was incredibly dismissive and punitive and not really rooted in
Speaker 5: the reality of most of our lived lives. And then professionally,
Speaker 5: because I was helping people with anxiety and depression as
Speaker 5: a clinician, so many of my clients were stressed about money,
Speaker 5: and my job as a social worker was to say, hey,
Speaker 5: here's an eight hundred number, so your electricity stays on,
Speaker 5: but nothing really substantial in terms of the way we
Speaker 5: think and the way we feel about money.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting that you say that the messaging that
Speaker 2: you got was so negative when I have been most
Speaker 2: stressed about money. I felt so similarly. Yeah, So I
Speaker 2: started reading about money and the message is I got
Speaker 2: was like, basically, you just have to make more. And
Speaker 2: when you're first of all, when you're young, you're like, how, like,
Speaker 2: I can't work more hours? How do I just make more?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I think that's a piece of the puzzle here
Speaker 5: is that, yes, there are things we can do as individuals.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, people who are big
Speaker 5: into the dollars in spreadsheets will tell you like, look,
Speaker 5: it's just a math equation. You have to spend less
Speaker 5: than you earn. And that sounds great in theory if
Speaker 5: it was like algebra one oh one. But the reality
Speaker 5: is we live our lives and they intersect with a
Speaker 5: lot of things, and we live in a place where
Speaker 5: if we want to maintain friendships, oftentimes that involves spending money.
Speaker 5: If we want to enjoy hobbies, that often involves spending money.
Speaker 5: If we want to give to causes that matter to us,
Speaker 5: that often involves spending money. And so to pretend that
Speaker 5: we can just isolate in our little individualistic bubble is
Speaker 5: really harmful, especially on the heels of the loneliness epidemic
Speaker 5: that we're in and finding out what it feels like
Speaker 5: to resocialize after the pandemic. I think we're really learning
Speaker 5: that we cannot just be these rugged individualists who hole
Speaker 5: up and eat beans and rice every day. That may
Speaker 5: work for a time, but we don't just exist within
Speaker 5: the context of humans who only use money for food
Speaker 5: and shelter and transportation.
Speaker 4: It's so true.
Speaker 1: And I think as we get older and spend more
Speaker 1: time in reflection, we realize how much our relationship with
Speaker 1: money is really impacted by how we were raised and
Speaker 1: the narratives that we heard about money growing up. So
Speaker 1: can you unpack how early memories about money shape our
Speaker 1: perception of money today.
Speaker 5: We start our relationship with money at a much younger age.
Speaker 5: Research shows that by the time we're about seven or
Speaker 5: eight years old, we have more or less created a
Speaker 5: money story. And when I say a money story, these
Speaker 5: are things like money is the root of all evil,
Speaker 5: or you can't take it to the grave, so you
Speaker 5: might as well spend it, or we don't talk about
Speaker 5: money it's rude. How do hearing those types of things
Speaker 5: impact your relationship with money? So what was the message
Speaker 5: that you got there that money is taboo. It's something
Speaker 5: that feels a little bit anxiety provoking or uncomfortable. And
Speaker 5: so when we get those messages as young children, we
Speaker 5: tend to try and stay safe, given the lessons that
Speaker 5: we've learned and the meaning that we've given them. So
Speaker 5: if I have learned that money is the root of
Speaker 5: all evil, that might then shape me as an adult
Speaker 5: to put off looking at my budget, to put off
Speaker 5: negotiating for rays, to not doing things like filing my
Speaker 5: taxes or taking a look at my credit score because
Speaker 5: I think that engaging with money is somehow inherently bad. Conversely,
Speaker 5: if you have someone who's like, if you have money,
Speaker 5: you'll never have problems, you might find that you are
Speaker 5: laser focused on earning income and accruing wealth at the
Speaker 5: expense potentially of your relationships, your physical health, your mental health.
Speaker 5: So these money messages that we get early on shape
Speaker 5: the way that we engage with money and the behaviors
Speaker 5: that we make as adults.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have to take a quick break, but we'll
Speaker 1: be right back with more from financial therapist Lindsay Brian Podvin.
Speaker 2: And we're back with financial therapist Lindsay Brian Podvin.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a home where I had one
Speaker 1: parent who I think talked about money in a healthy way,
Speaker 1: and then I had another parent who really had a
Speaker 1: scarcity mindset whenever they talked about money. And I find
Speaker 1: myself now as a parent trying to consciously override some
Speaker 1: of that programming and modeling. And I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: from you, how do we override those early money memories
Speaker 1: and associations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love.
Speaker 5: That question because I think so many of us, once
Speaker 5: we start to go on our financial healing journeys, we
Speaker 5: feel like it's too late, or if we have kids,
Speaker 5: we want to do some of the subconscious or subliminal
Speaker 5: messages we've sent to them. And I think one of
Speaker 5: the first things to do is just acknowledge with compassion
Speaker 5: why we do what we do or why we did
Speaker 5: what we did, knowing that again, our brains as humans
Speaker 5: are wired.
Speaker 4: To keep us safe.
Speaker 5: So if for example, we have a scarcity mindset, it
Speaker 5: may have come from a very real place of growing
Speaker 5: up in poverty or not trusting the banking system. This
Speaker 5: is super common with immigrants, refugees, folks who maybe are
Speaker 5: undocumented and couldn't have some of the same financial accessibility
Speaker 5: as others. So if you learned that messaging from a
Speaker 5: parent or a caregiver, even if you personally didn't experience it,
Speaker 5: you can say to yourself, it makes sense that I
Speaker 5: experience this anxiety around money disappearing, But when I really
Speaker 5: look at what's going on financially, I'm in an okay state.
Speaker 3: Or maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm really on shaky ground.
Speaker 5: It's about acknowledging where you're at and also acknowledging what
Speaker 5: are the things that I can do differently, what are
Speaker 5: the things that I can change, and what are the
Speaker 5: things that I can't. Right, maybe you do have the
Speaker 5: capacity to negotiate for a raise or move to an
Speaker 5: apartment that's a little bit more affordable, but maybe you
Speaker 5: actually don't. And so how can we sit with the
Speaker 5: differences between the two, Because I think, again, in the
Speaker 5: world of personal finance, it is so thrown at us
Speaker 5: that we have the power to do all of these things,
Speaker 5: when in reality, we do have some power, we do
Speaker 5: have some agency and autonomy, and there are certain things
Speaker 5: that we just don't have control over.
Speaker 2: So I think part of that acknowledgment that you're talking
Speaker 2: about is self awareness as to what your financial archetype is,
Speaker 2: and you have this quiz, I did take it, So
Speaker 2: I'm going to share that section. What are the four
Speaker 2: archetypes that people can be?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can be blissfully ignorant, the admirer, the doomsday prepper,
Speaker 5: and the free spirit. I tend to see people who
Speaker 5: are like helpers, healers, artists more likely to fall into
Speaker 5: that bliss in different category, right, because those are professions
Speaker 5: that we tend to say, like, you're not in this
Speaker 5: for the money. You do it because you love the
Speaker 5: arts or you love to help. So I tend to
Speaker 5: see that for the doomsday propper. The folks who I
Speaker 5: tend to see fall into that category are folks who
Speaker 5: have a lineage of true scarcity. So again this is
Speaker 5: often people who are immigrants, refugees may have had financial
Speaker 5: big TA traumas happen either personally or in their lineage,
Speaker 5: and so holding on tightly to money is a way
Speaker 5: to stay safe. When it comes to the money admirer,
Speaker 5: those are often folks who I see a pretty even
Speaker 5: split here of people who fall into the money admirer type.
Speaker 5: Either the ones who are like that I'll show you type, right,
Speaker 5: So you tell me, I can't do it, watch me
Speaker 5: do it. That kind of type or the type who
Speaker 5: has really associated achievement with a part of their worth.
Speaker 3: And then the free spirit.
Speaker 5: Those tend to be people, and again this is a
Speaker 5: pretty even split of people who grew up hearing things
Speaker 5: like we can't afford it, or you can't take it
Speaker 5: to the grave, so you might as well use it.
Speaker 5: So the free spirit, as the name indicates, as the
Speaker 5: ones who's like, yeah, let's go away for that weekend,
Speaker 5: or yeah, let's order a round of top us, or yeah,
Speaker 5: you should buy that thing. Right.
Speaker 3: They're kind of the instigator. They're lovely to have.
Speaker 5: In your orbit, but not always great if you're trying
Speaker 5: to work out a savings school. And what I want
Speaker 5: to be clear about with the archetypes is that often
Speaker 5: in the world of psychology or even in the world
Speaker 5: of social work, we are doing a lot of diagnosing
Speaker 5: and saying here's what's bad, here's what's wrong, here's what
Speaker 5: you need to fix. And in my world, I think
Speaker 5: that we need to take a more strength spased approach,
Speaker 5: to more balanced approach and say, hey, yeah, here are
Speaker 5: some things that you might be doing that aren't so great.
Speaker 5: But also look at your unique strengths and how can
Speaker 5: you leverage those to have a healthier relationship with money.
Speaker 2: I like how you worded it. I came out to
Speaker 2: be the doomsday prepper. It talks about what your strengths
Speaker 2: are and then what your challenges are. I didn't think
Speaker 2: I was going to be the doomsday prepper.
Speaker 4: I thought I had an abundant mindset. So what are you,
Speaker 4: I'm so curious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm blissfully indifferent.
Speaker 5: Like I would rather not look at my money if
Speaker 5: I didn't have to. I don't want to know what's
Speaker 5: going on. I just want to live my life. Money
Speaker 5: is kind of in the background, but I don't want
Speaker 5: to deal with it truly. To be clear, I did
Speaker 5: not think this was my path in life, and then
Speaker 5: when I really had to face it, had on really
Speaker 5: getting clear on what works for me and what doesn't
Speaker 5: like it just kept like literally hitting me in the
Speaker 5: face and like, Okay, I guess I have to do something.
Speaker 5: Care So with my archetype, the strength is that I
Speaker 5: don't want to look at money. I don't want to
Speaker 5: be in the weeds. And so for me, the way
Speaker 5: that I leverage that is using automated systems. I have
Speaker 5: a paycheck routine that when I am paid, money is
Speaker 5: automatically being funneled into different places, not only to my bills,
Speaker 5: like my expenses that I have to pay, but I
Speaker 5: also treat my savings like a bill, so I have
Speaker 5: auto save turned on for things like an emergency fund
Speaker 5: to a vacation fund to a pet emergency fund. Right,
Speaker 5: so I'm automatically saving money too, And so keeping that
Speaker 5: hands off approach actually works really really well for me
Speaker 5: because I don't want to be looking at my bank
Speaker 5: account every day.
Speaker 2: Well, in therapy they always say like the first step
Speaker 2: is just self awareness and acknowledgment, and I think that
Speaker 2: this really shows up in this quiz. It's not a
Speaker 2: negative thing. It's so great to have information about your
Speaker 2: habits and your skill sets. So I really really like this, Lindsay.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the awareness factor too as I
Speaker 1: was reading my results. It's funny I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to be the money admirer. I actually am the
Speaker 1: money admirer. Good things about that is that I have
Speaker 1: become a lot more comfortable in vocalizing my desire for
Speaker 1: money or even just like talking about money as a woman.
Speaker 1: That's something that, like I've had to become more comfortable with.
Speaker 1: But one of the challenges is this lack of satisfaction
Speaker 1: with whatever the current amount is. And that's something that
Speaker 1: I've become acutely aware of the last like three or
Speaker 1: four years. I think it coincides with my journey as
Speaker 1: a mom. But like you said, Danielle, just being aware
Speaker 1: of some of the shortcomings of this archetype is super helpful.
Speaker 2: We have to take another short break, but we'll be
Speaker 2: back in just a minute.
Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere, and we're back.
Speaker 1: So the takeaway for our audience, though, Lindsay, I hope
Speaker 1: I'm right on this. We can change our archetypes, right.
Speaker 3: Good question.
Speaker 5: So it's not necessarily about changing the archetype, because it's
Speaker 5: not that this one archetype is the one who's best
Speaker 5: with money and that's what we should all want to be.
Speaker 5: It's much more you are who you are and that's
Speaker 5: a beautiful thing. So instead of wanting to kind of
Speaker 5: shape shift into something else, how can you embrace your
Speaker 5: unique strengths and take the time to dial down some
Speaker 5: of the behaviors or the thought patterns that aren't really
Speaker 5: serving you. They might have served you at some point
Speaker 5: in time, but they aren't right now.
Speaker 2: When you were talking about the doomsday prepper and the
Speaker 2: lineage of trauma, I was thinking about my family. There
Speaker 2: is scarcity because of trauma, and I talk about this
Speaker 2: with my dad a lot. There's a huge difference in
Speaker 2: how generations view money. What are you seeing as the
Speaker 2: key differences between Boomer's millennials and now Gen Z in
Speaker 2: terms of how they need your finances?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I could go on about this forever.
Speaker 5: Never has there been a time where the generational divide
Speaker 5: is so stark in my opinion, especially when it comes
Speaker 5: to money, because again, there are some real systemic things
Speaker 5: that shape the way we think and feel and behave
Speaker 5: about money. Boomers quite literally were born into an economy
Speaker 5: where you could have one person working a blue collar
Speaker 5: job and take care of a family with a stay
Speaker 5: at home parent, and buy a house and go on
Speaker 5: a vacation and have a second car. So they really
Speaker 5: learned if you work hard and save some money, you
Speaker 5: can have the American dream. But that American dream financially speaking,
Speaker 5: started to crumble pretty quickly thereafter. Gen X they kind
Speaker 5: of joke that they're the latchkey kids, right, But they're
Speaker 5: the people who are kind of the worker bees behind
Speaker 5: the scenes, and rightfully, they have a little chip on
Speaker 5: their shoulder because the economy just wasn't the same as
Speaker 5: it was with the boomers millennials. As you've heard, we
Speaker 5: see a headline basically every week that says millennials killed
Speaker 5: X and you know, they killed the housing market, they
Speaker 5: killed avocado to those chain restaurants, the malls, like it's
Speaker 5: all our fault. But we really have an interesting relationship
Speaker 5: because we were kind of raised by folks who told us,
Speaker 5: just do what you love and money will follow. Well haha,
Speaker 5: jokes on us. That is not always the case. And
Speaker 5: so there's some rightful frustration there. And then you have
Speaker 5: gen Z who's like, I watched all this happen with
Speaker 5: my millennial aunties and uncles or maybe siblings. I'm not
Speaker 5: playing that game. And you see more of them kind
Speaker 5: of opting out of the core rat race. Now, the
Speaker 5: gen Zers, because they also grew up where we are
Speaker 5: talking about things like boundaries and about mental health, they
Speaker 5: tend to have a bit more transparency when it comes
Speaker 5: to money, and they tend to be a little bit
Speaker 5: more jovial about money when it comes to the way
Speaker 5: we think about money and friends, and also just being
Speaker 5: really clear, and I don't want to work sixty hours
Speaker 5: a week and burn myself out if even doing that
Speaker 5: won't allow me to buy the house.
Speaker 2: Also, millennials work more hours than any other generation before us,
Speaker 2: and so I really hate the messaging that millennials are
Speaker 2: lazy because it's actually statistically the opposite.
Speaker 4: But that is just an aside.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned friendship earlier, and friendship and money I
Speaker 2: think have become even more tied with technology. And I've
Speaker 2: heard you talk about how to set boundaries around money,
Speaker 2: especially with friendships, while still valuing those friendships. So what's
Speaker 2: your advice for communicating those limits. And I'm particularly interested
Speaker 2: in hearing this from you because I hear a lot
Speaker 2: of very stringent boundaries or ways to set limits, and
Speaker 2: to be honest, they don't feel applicable to me, like
Speaker 2: I don't want to use this like very corporate language
Speaker 2: with my best friends.
Speaker 5: So one of the most striking things for me is
Speaker 5: seeing and hearing time and time again how many people
Speaker 5: are desperate to talk to other people about money. And
Speaker 5: if we think about the types of conversations we can
Speaker 5: have with our friends about everything from like parenting, to
Speaker 5: our sex lives to mental health, like we can certainly
Speaker 5: talk about money. And one thing to keep in mind
Speaker 5: when you're setting a boundary with a friend around money
Speaker 5: is what is the alternative way that you want to
Speaker 5: be in community with them and spend time with them
Speaker 5: instead of just saying no, I can't afford it, or no,
Speaker 5: that's not in my budget and have a conversation that
Speaker 5: might sound like I can't afford that right now, but
Speaker 5: what I can do is x Y is really really important.
Speaker 5: You don't have to get fully into the weeds, but
Speaker 5: you can be really clear and say, look, this summer,
Speaker 5: I'm being much more mindful about where and how I'm
Speaker 5: spending my money. And so that means I'm just doing
Speaker 5: like one thing a weekend. This weekend, I'm already booked,
Speaker 5: So why don't we go for a walk instead, or
Speaker 5: why don't you bring your kids over and we can
Speaker 5: have a plate instead, Like being clear about what's going
Speaker 5: on in a way that still feels comfortable and safe
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 1: Lindsay, your platform is called Mind Money Balance, and I
Speaker 1: love that you include the term balance in there. Because
Speaker 1: I think there's this tendency, especially in a capitalistic culture
Speaker 1: like America, to see financial planning as dry, rigid, stressful.
Speaker 1: How can we embrace fun in our financial futures? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I love this question.
Speaker 5: I think a part of it is realizing that money
Speaker 5: is neutral. We are the ones who associate meaning to it,
Speaker 5: and it is also a tool, and we have the
Speaker 5: opportunity to say, here's how I want choose my money
Speaker 5: in a way that supports my lifestyle, in a way
Speaker 5: that supports my values. When I spend money in this category,
Speaker 5: say travel, or restaurants or sustainable food, I feel really good.
Speaker 5: I feel really supported, I feel really thankful. And when
Speaker 5: I spend money in ways that I'm not super excited about,
Speaker 5: I feel less excited, less proud, less thankful. So really
Speaker 5: thinking about what is money affording you the ability to do?
Speaker 5: And how can money be another outlet to live in
Speaker 5: alignment with your values?
Speaker 2: So good, lindsay, thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 2: on the bright side.
Speaker 4: It's been wonderful.
Speaker 3: It's been such a joy. Thank you both so much
Speaker 3: for having me.
Speaker 1: I love your perspective and I'm so glad that you
Speaker 1: came here to share it.
Speaker 2: With us.
Speaker 1: Lindsay Brian Podvin is a certified financial therapist, licensed social worker,
Speaker 1: founder of the financial wellness platform Mind, Money, Balance, and
Speaker 1: Cash Apps Financial Therapist. She's the author of the Financial
Speaker 1: Anxiety Solution.
Speaker 4: That's It.
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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Y See you tomorrow, folks. Keep looking on the bright side.